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Biden Claims 5 Past Fed Chairs Back His Jobs Plan, but 2 Are Dead and 2 More Have Been Quiet About It

Plus: Boomer electoral power dwindling, U.S. migration patterns appear linked to pandemic restrictions, and more...

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Biden claims dead economists love his jobs plan. The past five leaders of the Federal Reserve have come out in support of President Joe Biden's American Jobs Plan, the president told reporters at the White House last week. "What'd they say? They said, 'Biden's plan is going to grow the economy,'" Biden claimed.

That's not true. In fact, two of the five chairs before incumbent Jerome Powell—G. William Miller and Paul Volcker—are now dead.

Two of the three living previous Fed chairs—Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke—have been quiet or vague about the $2.3 trillion spending proposal Biden has put forth in the name of "infrastructure" and "jobs." Greenspan's only comments on it seem to be about infrastructure spending generally, and I can find no comments from Bernanke.

Only former Chair Janet Yellen, who is now Biden's treasury secretary, has really been promoting it.

So what the heck was Biden talking about?

A White House official told CNN that Biden had misspoken and meant to reference a May 4 Washington Post op-ed written by five former commissioners of the IRS.

But this, too, falls somewhat short of accuracy. "The former IRS commissioners did not say anything about how Biden's plan would affect economic growth," notes CNN.

Rather, they said Biden's proposals—including a well-funded effort to crack down on the non-payment of taxes owed—would make the tax administration system "far fairer and more effective" and "produce a great deal of revenue by reducing the enormous gap between taxes legally owed and taxes actually paid."

Even if this was an accidental mix-up by Biden, it was a substantial mix-up. A positive economic forecast from former tax chiefs is almost certainly less likely to sound impressive to the public than a positive economic forecast from people who ran the US central bank and are among the nation's best-known economic figures. And, again, there was no economic forecast at all in the tax chiefs' article.

In the past week, Biden has also made a false claim (again) about how many jobs his plan would create:

On May 2, we pointed out that, after early-April fact checks from CNN and others, Biden's team had stopped wrongly claiming or suggesting that economic firm Moody's Analytics found that the American Jobs Plan proposal would create 19 million jobs.

Well, Biden made a version of the claim last week. In a slightly different form than the original, but that new form was misleading too—and Biden added an additional inaccuracy this time.

In his Thursday speech in Louisiana, Biden said, "All the economists, including the liberal as well as conservative think tanks, point out what we'll create when we pass this Jobs Plan—we'll create up to 16 million good-paying jobs." And in the White House speech the day prior, Biden said, "You have Moody's talking about increasing it up to—I don't know what the most recent one is—16 million new jobs."

Not only is there no liberal-conservative (or any sort of) consensus about job creation here, "even Moody's did not say the plan would create up to 16 million jobs," notes CNN.

Rather, Moody's estimated in May that the economy will create about 16.5 million jobs between the fourth quarter of 2020 and the fourth quarter of 2030 if the American Jobs Plan is not passed, or create about 19.2 million jobs if Biden's plan is passed. In other words, Moody's found that the passage of the American Jobs Plan would produce 2.7 million additional jobs, not up to 16 million.

These fibs or flubs about the American Jobs Plan last week come in addition to Biden's false claims about CEO pay, which he said last week was more than 450 times that of the average worker. The discrepancy is large, but not that large, according to progressive think tank the Economic Policy Institute. It said in a 2019 study that CEOs at the 350 largest U.S. companies made 320—not 456—times what the average worker at these companies did.


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Millennial and Gen Z voters will likely outnumber boomer voters within a few years:


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The link between U.S. moves and pandemic restrictions. Researchers from Vanderbilt University and the Georgia Institute of Technology looked at migration patterns during the COVID-19 pandemic and roughly three years preceding it. They found that 10 to 20 percent "of moves between April 2020–February 2021 were influenced by COVID-19, with a significant shift in migration towards smaller cities, lower cost of living locations, and locations with fewer pandemic-related restrictions."

The researchers discovered "very different patterns across higher-income and lower-income migrants with higher income households moving out of more populous cities at greater rates, and moving more for lifestyle reasons and much less for work-related reasons compared to the pre-pandemic period." Schooling was one frequently cited factor, with 5 percent of COVID-influenced movers naming "access to in-person learning as an important factor in their decision."

"My take on this is that the overall driver in these migrations is flight from restrictions," University of Toronto professor Richard Florida tweeted yesterday. "Higher income households are moving from more restrictive places (which also happen to be larger, denser & bluer) to less restrictive places. These households have more ability to move & less tolerance for restrictions. They feel they can manage risk on their own without government restrictions. They also prefer environments where in-person schooling is more likely."

"What I think is driving these moves is a preference for 'normalcy', the pursuit of personal freedom & day to day liberty, & the ability to live one's life & family they [sic] way you choose, less subject to government mandates," Florida added.


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• Georgia has repealed its citizen's arrest law, which allowed anyone who witnessed (or thought they witnessed) a crime to arrest the suspected perpetrator. ABC News calls the law's repeal "a continuing reaction" to the death of Ahmaud Arbery, a black man killed by three white men who said they suspected him of a crime and are now charged with murdering Arbery.

• In pursuit of a stolen U-Haul vehicle, the Los Angeles Police Department descended on two young women trying to move. "At least 10 officers surrounded them, some with guns drawn, while a police helicopter hovered above." They had the wrong truck.

• The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine for 12- to 15-year-olds.

• The FBI seized heirlooms, coins, and cash from hundreds of safe deposit boxes in Beverly Hills, despite knowing "some" belonged to "honest citizens."

• When eminent domain is used for economic assassination.

• The audio-only social app Clubhouse—initially only available for iPhones—is now available for Android phones.

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  1. Biden claims dead economists love his jobs plan.

    He’s close enough to them to know.

    1. In Biden defence this is one of the least insane things he has said

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    2. They at least voted for him.

    3. He’s using election counting.

    4. But this, too, falls somewhat short of accuracy.

      The flaxen-haired Harpy just cannot bring herself to call out his blatant lying, and cognitive decline.

      1. Really? She had no trouble with this last year. I wonder what changed…

      2. What happened to the media ‘fact checkers’ that were ever so popular a year ago?

    5. IF the dead can vote, they can opine on his plan!

    6. Its fascinating how every time he opens his mouth he lies. Its truly fascinating.

      1. Joe Biden lies just as casually and just as frequently (on a percentage-of-remarks basis) as Donald Trump ever did. It’s all just random shit falling out of his face and you can’t believe a word of it. But somehow, Biden’s “mis-statements” and “bungled statistics” and “factual errors” and “slip of the tongue’s” never seem to be called “lies” as Trump’s statements were.

        1. And I would argue most of Trump’s lies were unimportant bullshit or exaggerations. Who really gives a shit how many people were at his inauguration?

  2. “What’d they say? They said, ‘Biden’s plan is going to grow the economy,'” Biden claimed.

    In his defense, this isn’t the same as Trump somehow.

    1. “The people I’m talking to, they love it. I’m hearing from experts that this is a good plan. A very good plan. They’re all saying it.”

      1. …Biden said, “All the economists, including the liberal as well as conservative think tanks, point out what we’ll create when we pass this Jobs Plan—we’ll create up to 16 million good-paying jobs.”

        I mean, I guess the difference here is that it’s on the teleprompter instead of off the cuff.

        1. He did say, “up to 16 million good paying jobs,” so technically, he’s not lying. It could be any number between 0 and 16 million. So he never lied.

          1. Yeah, that formulation immediately invalidates any claim. I just heard an ad to the effect “We will pay you up to $500 and more”. Totally meaningless.

            1. “Your investment on a mere 1.6 million jobs could be worth as much as 16 million jobs!”

              “Jesus, that’s my community!”

              “You’re right, you could build your community!”

          2. Well, we now know that math is racist, so by objecting to this, you’re just trying to reinstitute slavery.

          3. He was referring to what the think tanks allegedly said which they didn’t and was a blatant lie. Opps I mean a misstatement. Hate to rile the sheep.

      2. “YUGE job growth! Much success!”

    2. Biden has always lied, but now he can no longer remember what lie he told when.

      1. “It’s not a lie if you believe it.”

  3. The POTUS’ brain is right there with the two that no longer come down for breakfast.

  4. With the dead ones it’s like a Jedi force ghost thing. They can still communicate with him.

    1. One practice that irked me when I was involved in Libertarian Party leadership was when we would put out some statement claiming Thomas Jefferson would have agreed with us on this or that issue. “Thomas Jefferson would have opposed this library tax hike!” It happened a lot.

      1. So why did you do it?

        You know, libertarianism not only means support for the individual right to Life, Liberty, Property, and The Pursuit of Happiness, but that adult individuals have free will and agency. In other words, we’re big-pants people.

        Why not quarrel for hours against the practice of citing Jefferson’s support from beyond the grave…the way a good libertarian would and should? 🙂

        1. The county central committee chair was in the habit of issuing press releases without much consultation with the rest of the central committee.

          There is nothing like the petty internal politics of a central committee. Sometimes I would chat with people from the leadership of the local Green and Republican parties — they said it was the same petty internal politics in their circles, too, not just a Libertarian thing.

          1. Well, that’s when I’d tell the Central Committee Chair that one of us is out. Nobody speaks for me or puts my name to anything but me.

            Had Ron Paul followed such a course of action, he might not have had a newsletter problem.

  5. Jill held a seance and talked to them.

    1. They probably voted for him too.

  6. “Biden Claims Five Past Fed Chairs Back His Jobs Plan, but Two Are Dead and Two More Have Been Quiet About It”

    No big deal.

    What’s really important is that Koch-funded libertarians back Biden.

    1. More bad news from India.

      Deadly ‘black fungus’ cases add to India’s covid crisis

      An alt-right white nationalist President like Drumpf would respond to this by restricting travel from India. Not Biden, though. He’ll encourage India’s 1.4 billion people to immigrate to the US. It’s a win / win — they’ll be safe here because Biden already shut down the virus, and billionaire employers like our benefactor Charles Koch will get more cost-effective labor.

      #OpenBorders
      #(EspeciallyDuringAPandemic)

      1. Yes, SleepyJoe was so effective at shutting down the virus, he still wears a mask, even during a zoom meeting and outdoors.

        1. Hides the drool.

      2. Why you gotta be so racist by pointing out the *color* of the fungus?

        1. Black Fungus Matters.

  7. Millennial and Gen Z voters will likely outnumber boomer voters within a few years…

    Election Day will have all the deliberative nuance of Youtube comments and Twitter likes.

    1. But America will finally have it’s first gender-queer BIPOC pansexual athiest president.

      1. No, much to their surprise, they will be old by then. Old people don’t vote that way.

        1. 80% of millennials don’t know how to change a lightbulb.

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/80-millennials-say-dont-know-change-light-bulb-090939560.html

          Growing old, yes. Growing up? I just don’t see it.

          1. The age range is 18-24, though–that’s Gen Z, not Millennials. Millennials were born from about 1980 to the mid-late 90s.

            1. Those behind the poll found that young people lack basic DIY skills because they live with their parents for longer than previous generations.

              Shit, this isn’t even an excuse. That’s a failure on the part of the parents for not making them help out around the house and showing them how to do all this shit.

              People lived in multi-generation households for millennia and knew how to do basic home maintenance. Their parents are simply enabling their sloth and not demanding that they take an active role in helping keep up the house.

              One thing I’ve been doing with my kids is letting them help out on simple stuff like changing the air filter in the car, measuring with a level for DIY projects, or doing yard work with me. They aren’t ready to handle power tools or anything like that, but I want them to start getting the idea of how to take care of things around the house. If you’re a parent and aren’t doing things like that, and having them perform more complex tasks as they get older, and let them sit around like lumps playing on their smartphones all day because you “don’t feel like adulting today,” you’re basically failing at your most fundamental responsibility.

              1. How the hell is it possible to not know how to change a light bulb?

                1. My guess is the survey takers don’t understand sarcasm.

                2. There’s a Polak joke in there somewhere.

              2. Indeed: your job as a parent is train a future adult.

                I’m amazed at how few mechanical skills people graduate to adulthood with. A few months ago I volunteered to set up pitching screens for my daughter’s little league team, and one of them had a pipe joint that was pinched so I beat it until it was round enough to get the companion piece into it. The parent I was paired with was absolutely gobsmacked that this was even an option, as if I was some kind of wizard; he probably would have just called the manufacturer and waited two weeks for a new one.

            2. ~1978-1987 is really tough to pin down. My wife and my sister are both ’86 birthdays; the wife is decidedly Gen-X aside from her pop culture tastes, while my sister is the exact opposite. They’re not unique in this regard.

              1. I learned the other day that the back half of the Baby Boom is sometimes called the “Jones Boom” because those Boomers grew up in a very different cultural environment than the early Boomers. They’re basically the ones who ramped up the consooooooomer culture in the 80s and 90s and were far more obsessed with status chasing–IOW, “keeping up with the Joneses.”

                I’m sure Gen-X could be split along similar lines–basically, the ones who came of age in the Reagan era versus the Clinton years.

          2. They have been raised to think that all they need to do is hold the bulb to the socket, and then the world will revolve around them.

            1. Well played! 🙂

        2. People who didn’t save for retirement and squandered away their life will continue to vote for socialists and progressives until the day they die.

    2. not YouTube likes? Too bad, we might’ve stood a chance

    3. Election Day will have all the deliberative nuance of Youtube comments and Twitter likes.

      Like.

  8. Biden misspeaks. Trump lied. Claims of a ‘stolen’ election were alt-right lies intended to undo a legitimate Presidential election. A two-year investigation of claims of Trump collusion with the Russian government, followed with two impeachment trials were an attempt to correct the outcome of an illegitimate Presidential election.
    Helps to have the LA Times on your side.

  9. They found that 10 to 20 percent “of moves between April 2020–February 2021 were influenced by COVID-19, with a significant shift in migration towards smaller cities, lower cost of living locations, and locations with fewer pandemic-related restrictions.”

    “Oh, joy,” said every smaller city, lower cost of living location, and location with fewer pandemic-related restrictions.

    1. “Oh, joy,” said every smaller city, lower cost of living location, and location with fewer pandemic-related restrictions..

      Yep. Property value has jumped almost 2X in 15 months. Lotsa CA license plates creeping everyone out.

      1. Although, one thing that might seem counterintuitive to Idahoans who are, like, “We’re being invaded by California liberals!” is a lot of the Californians moving to Idaho are as conservative, or even more conservative, than the people already living in Idaho.

        1. Tell that to Austin and denver

          1. That’s a little different than Idaho.

            1. Why is it different? There’s only 1.85M of us. Doesn’t take too many migrating leftists to contaminate the pool.

        2. Really? Tell that to the mad hatter hat marylin manson guy painting skulls red on his lawn that just moved from California and bought the house two doors down from me.

          1. What area do you live in?

      2. Wealthy Americans come with high maintenance expenses. Trendy restaurants, art galleries, quirky boutiques and proper diversity all have their costs. They also bring the ability to change your property to a historic preservation site or a wetland.

      3. Oh, so you must be in “the cool part of Idaho, not the shithole part”.

        Do you like the simpsons and hockey too? Please be my friend.

        Signed, KARen.

        1. I see you’re still mad at me

        2. Since “Idaho Bob” doesn’t respond I assume he lives in the shitty part and is Mormon.

          Hey Bob if you’re Mormon kill yourself you perv worshipping shitbag!

          1. Everyone around you is secretly Mormon. They’re going to get you.

      4. Neighbor lady just sold her house because now that her husband had died she didn’t need the big house. It was appraised at 140, she listed it for 165, within 6 hours she had 3 offers, sight unseen, for over her asking, she wound up selling it for 185. And I’ve been hearing similar stories, rural Georgia seems to be a hot spot for real estate just now.

        1. Dude. Come to Nashville. People from out of town are now offering 50 to 100 thousand over list just so they can lock it up. Two houses in the neighborhood sold on the first day they were offered.

          I’m thinking about selling to some schmuck from Cali and moving about 3 counties out.

  10. Schooling was one frequently cited factor, with 5 percent of COVID-influenced movers naming “access to in-person learning as an important factor in their decision.”

    As they eagerly vote for every teachers-union-beholden Democrat in their new locations.

    1. I wonder, at some point, if this leads to natives in blue areas being openly hostile to people moving there from red areas? If it’s not already.

      1. I wonder, at some point, if this leads to natives in blue areas being openly hostile to people moving there from red areas? If it’s not already.

        Haha, have you seen the migration patterns lately? What red area resident in their right mind at the moment is looking at the current socioeconomic landscape and thinking, “Man, living in these low-scale, high-trust areas is all right, but what I’d really love is to move to a high-cost, high-density, high-regulation blue area!”

        1. My subconscious still has a hard time with not calling the communist leaning party red.

          1. To be fair, Democrats are really more corporatist and fascist than socialist.

        2. High crime rates, General. Don’t forget high crime rates.

          1. Crummy infrastructure too. Not that it’s guaranteed better infrastructrue in rural/red parts but paying twice the amount in property and local taxes doesn’t exactly keep the power on twice as long, asphalt twice as smooth, or garbage collected twice as often.

      2. Ugh, natives in red areas, migrants from blue areas.

        1. It doesn’t help when small communities end up being dominated by absentee landlords. The difference between this and some feudal peonage system is merely one of degree.

          Record-breaking real estate frenzy is changing the culture of Colorado’s mountain towns as locals are priced out”

          Brianna Anthony and her boyfriend, Keenan Montague, have lived in three homes over the past six months in Telluride. The five-bedroom house that the local bartenders rented with friends sold last fall, and the new owner, an East Coast doctor with a home in nearby Mountain Village, launched a major renovation. They moved into another house, which this spring sold — sight unseen — for $2.2 million. And they moved again as that owner began renovations.

          They found a rental home in Rico, about 30 minutes away. And, yes, that house just sold. Now they are looking again for a place to rent.

          “I feel like Telluride is becoming a community where locals are not welcome but the people who are there six weeks a year, they are welcomed,” Anthony said. “What happens when the only people in these ski towns are here for a month or so a year?”…Levek counts about 125 Telluride workers who have lost their rental housing in the past year because it sold. She talks about urban newcomers shopping for homes with a budget in the several millions. If they can’t buy, they are ready to rent for as much as $15,000 or more a month. That shift has left local employers struggling to find workers.

          “There is a real shortage of people here right now,” Levek said, describing how the town of Telluride and San Miguel County are raising their subsidies for affordable housing to “obscene levels” to help offset the sudden spike in both homes and construction costs.

          “I hate to be negative, but we are in a bad place,” she said. “The pace of change is so extreme. From month to month, we are seeing costs go up and our community change and our culture change, and it’s unsettling.”

          And that’s not even taking into account the blue-voting Front Range residents who are trying to escape the urban behavioral sink they’ve lived in for years. You can’t maintain a stable community in an environment of land speculation, especially if there’s nowhere for the service class you depend on to actually afford a place to live. Boulder gets away with the high real estate prices their land development restrictions cause, because their labor force can find places in Longmont and Lafayette to live in that are nearby. The mountain areas don’t have that same luxury.

          1. Sounds like the local government should enact a “project” to build low cost, high density housing for the serfs.

            1. The article (it’s from the Colorado Sun) actually goes on to explain that this is what’s starting to happen in some areas–they’re basically taxing the high-wealth residents for the cash needed to build service-tier housing.

              1. Lol. Those that don’t learn history…

              2. Strange how the leftist areas that are so concerned about equality are always the most economically stratified and least economically mobile.

                1. What a lot of people don’t know is that those ski towns are some of the turbo-libbiest ones in the state. Just because they’re rural doesn’t mean they’re red, and you can tell by the very stratification you pointed out.

                  A lot of the ski areas’ work force commutes from places in Delta County like Craig. They can’t afford to live in Eagle County unless it’s in the alley behind the art gallery.

                  1. Sorry, Craig is Moffat County, not Delta–I was thinking of Paonia.

                2. +100^

          2. This sounds like a problem that would resolve itself if they didn’t subsidize housing. The businesses these rich people are buying housing to be near will have to jack up housing to pay the wages of their employees who either have extreme commutes, own their own homes, or are paying crazy rents. Problem solved itself.

            1. That’s a problem all over the state. The real estate market across the state is WAY out of whack right now due to the pandemic, cost of building materials, and the overall population growth that took place the last ten years.

              For some rural areas, it’s a different type of problem–they don’t have enough housing for people who they want to stay in town, like school teachers, and what they have is often quite dilapidated and so old, that everything is ridden with asbestos. Setting up trailer parks is not really an option because it’s not really considered “permanent housing” in the sense that owners aren’t really motivated to do maintenance on them. Developers won’t build out there because they can get a lot more building $425K-plus lots in exurbs like Windsor, Bennett, and Strasburg. So the towns have these housing authorities that apply for grants and different types of housing programs to be able to build up or renovate stock a little bit at a time, and they can take a loss on it even then, because it’s so fucking expensive to buy building materials now. A house that appraises for $120K might have needed $200K in renovations just to make it liveable.

      3. It is, already. “Californication” is the term.

        1. The migrating Californians act like missionaries instead of refugees.

          1. The migrating Californians act like missionaries locusts instead of refugees.

            Fixed.

            1. ^another 100 pts! This guy’s on fire!

  11. “What’d they say? They said, ‘Biden’s plan is going to grow the economy,'” Biden claimed. That’s not true. … Biden has also made a false claim (again) about how many jobs his plan would create

    These *must* be fake news! Joe *promised* that he would always tell us the truth!

    1. The fact checkers have already shut down their presidential fact checks.

    2. Liar’s paradox

  12. Medical marijuana legalization is making progress in South Carolina, while legislators in Minnesota are moving forward with legalizing marijuana generally.

    Won’t someone please think of the current administration?

  13. https://twitter.com/Malcolm_fleX48/status/1392102179884916739?s=19

    Remember when gas was $1.69 in places, the Keystone XL Pipeline was in production, the border was secured, and we were seeing record amounts of peace accords in the Middle East with Israel among Arab Nations?

    [Pic]

    1. Yes, but now the adults are in charge.

      1. It worked the last 30 years prior to the last 4 years.

        1. Wrong, but within normal parameters.

    2. Good thing we’ve stopped *that* shit cold.

    3. And the zero wars started.

    4. Say what you will about being led by a Russian puppet…

  14. ABC News calls the law’s repeal “a continuing reaction” to the death of Ahmaud Arbery, a black man killed by three white men who said they suspected him of a crime and are now charged with murdering Arbery.

    They’re being prosecuted for murder. How is that an indictment of the citizen’s arrest?

    1. “Oh, very well. We’ll ban pick-up trucks in a continuing reaction.”

    2. If this is the case I remember, no one saw Arbery commit a crime that day. The vigilantes only inferred that he had, likely incorrectly. According to this article, the citizens arrest is authorized only if the citizen _saw_ the arrestee commit the crime, so this law never applied.

      1. Don’t go bringing knowledge and context into this. The progressives have their narrarative and they are sticking to it

        1. DOL will be along later to remind us that we all supported the murder of Arbery by pointing out that ENB is bad at her job.

  15. “At least 10 officers surrounded them, some with guns drawn, while a police helicopter hovered above.” They had the wrong truck.

    I propose a law that forces unique branding on each individual U-Haul truck. We owe it to our Boys in Blue.

    1. “Alright, guys, we’re after one with a Hawaiian theme, BLM graffiti, and a NIN decal.”

    2. Never would have happened if they went with Ryder.

      1. They weren’t looking for a meth lab.

  16. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine for 12- to 15-year-olds.

    Finally, the federal government is doing something about teen pregnancy.

    1. ZING

    2. Emergency use only; remember, emergency use only.

      1. 15 months to slow the spread!

      2. The morning after vaccine.

    3. If only.

  17. “At least 10 officers surrounded them, some with guns drawn, while a police helicopter hovered above.” They had the wrong truck.

    END VEHICULAR PROFILING!!

    1. Looks like today…

      [dons sunglasses]

      …we haul you away.

  18. fibs or flubs

    Pretty sure the media told us it’s OK to now use the word LIE.

    Especially if you can say BIG LIE.

    Oh…wait…that’s the TDS ruleset. Nevermind.

    1. I would like to see the Trump style guide applied to Biden:

      “Biden claimed, without evidence, that his American Jobs Plan would create 16 million jobs, citing a debunked claim that Fed commissioners endorsed his claim. He made that claim despite no evidence of widespread support for his plan.”

      1. don’t forget the mandatory stock photo featuring orange paper mache Trump dummy with devil horns from a recent protest

  19. Of course he lied. You could tell because his lips were moving. That’s what politicians do. They lie.

    Also, does no one remember when this dude got in trouble for outright plagiarism?

    1. That’s ancient history– when he ran for president like 50 years ago.

    2. Far enough from the election you can start saying this again huh? Because you were defending him as better last election.

      1. Ah, Pepperidge Farms. Orange milano cookies are so tasty.

        1. Bernie Sanders wonders if we really need so many flavors of Milanos.

      2. In Jesse’s world, not condemning and denouncing Joe Biden with every breath and not repeating every hare-brained right-wing narrative about Joe Biden means that you affirmatively support Joe Biden.

        “Joe Biden eats babies!”
        “No he doesn’t…”
        “WHY DO YOU SUPPORT JOE BIDEN????”

        1. Actually, more like:

          “Joe Biden eats babies!”
          “Wat you talking about?”
          “WHY DO YOU SUPPORT JOE BIDEN????”

        2. But your whole purpose here really is to boost Biden and be the DNCs fluffer. Hell, you’re paid to do it.
          Everyone here knows it.

          It’s amazing that you and White Knight think that you can somehow pretend that you’re detached nonpartisans when you do nothing but shill.

        3. Lying Jeffy needs to make up a ridiculous example of eating babies to support his extreme claims.

    3. I’m pretty sure there are clips on YouTube of Johnny Carson making jokes about it. That’s how freegin’ long Joe Biden has been around.

  20. The FBI seized heirlooms, coins, and cash from hundreds of safe deposit boxes in Beverly Hills, despite knowing “some” belonged to “honest citizens.”

    Just because the citizens are honest doesn’t mean the heirlooms are.

    1. LA cops want to be actors like Denzel and find the Nazi blood diamonds.

    2. To heir is human, to loom over is divine.

  21. Dead people and yes-men love Joe. He’s one of them.

    1. They voted for him too.

  22. The audio-only social app Clubhouse—initially only available for iPhones—is now available for Android phones.

    And so begins its downfall.

    1. How did I possibly live my entire life without this app?

      1. Comfortably?

  23. > Millennial and Gen Z voters will likely outnumber boomer voters within a few years

    This is good and bad. It’s bad because we Boomers raised this little and we’re going to get what we deserve. It’s good because let’s face it, most Millennials and Zoomers are pretty good. Yeah, they got their heads of mush stuffed with absolutely nonsense during their school years, but that’s our fault for stuffing them.

    I don’t see that there Zoomers are going to be any worse than the Boomers were at their age. Face it, we Boomers were awful. We started out as hippies and yippies, then progressed to the Me Generation, then elected Bill Clinton as our spokesperson, then doubled down with our crazy 9/11 shit. We presided over the prior forty years. We are reaping exactly what we sowed.

    1. As a gen x-er, I hate all of you.

      1. I don’t care if you hate me.
        Just get a job and pay the damn social security and medicare taxes!

      2. Yeah, Gen X here too. I am not pleased with Boomers at all. They have fucked everybody.

        1. It’s not like Gen-Xers are any better. We’re the biggest bandwagon-hoppers in the country, bought into the “special snowflake” and helicopter parenting lock, stock, and barrel, and are going to be politically and culturally irrelevant for the rest of our lives because we’re too busy enabling all the worst predelictions of Millennials and Gen-Zers in a desperate attempt to appear “cool.”

          1. Yeah, really, we raised the kids that are pushing CRT and other bullshit today.

            1. Hell, the professors mostly pushing that shit have been Gen-X, not the Boomers. The Boomers certainly kicked it off with the implementation of “whiteness studies” and the white privilege shibboleth, but it was Gen-X that took those philosophies to their logical extreme.

      3. As a Gen Xer, it’s important to remind everyone that PC 1.0 happened during our passing into adulthood. We shouldn’t be surprised that PC2.0 turned out to be far worse and vicious.

        1. I was watching some music videos from the 90s yesterday, and it’s incredible how different relations between races are portrayed versus the current Woketard religion. A lot of those videos that had both black and white people were very blatant about showing racial harmony, implicitly arguing that music can serve as a bridge to bring people together.

    2. And you won’t give any of it back. Grifters from the start.

    3. Zoomers might surprise you. A lot of them have zero tolerance for much of the silly, culturally Marxist shit your generation reveled in and, unlike GenX, have the drive of youth to actually do something permanent about it.

      1. unlike GenX, have the drive of youth to actually do something permanent about it

        Sure.
        *Puts on headphones and turns up Zombie/Land Of Confusion/Beds Are Burning playlist*

        1. We are Motorhead/Bourgeoisie Blues/Age Of Consent/Digital/Born Under Punches were the last couple of songs the random shuffle coughed up on my USB stick.

          But while I don’t get GenZ’s humor a lot of the time, I am impressed with how much many of them despise woke popular culture and the whole concern over equity.

    4. “most millennials and zoomers are pretty good”

      You’ve not heard of the ‘tik toks’ I see.

    5. Gen-Xer, Childfree By Choice, Prepper, and aspiring Transhumanist here. Not responsible for anything bad before adulthood nor anything bad coming from the next generations. Hoping I can survive it all and do a little to help either reverse the damage or to help pick up the pieces.

  24. https://twitter.com/commieleejones/status/1391754136031477760?s=19

    MIT researchers ‘infiltrated’ a Covid skeptics community a few months ago and found that skeptics place a high premium on data analysis and empiricism.

    “Most fundamentally, the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution.”
    [Link]

    “Indeed, anti-maskers often reveal themselves to be more sophisticated in their understanding of how scientific knowledge is socially constructed than their ideological adversaries, who espouse naïve realism about the “objective” truth of public health data.”

    “In other words, anti-maskers value unmediated access to information and privilege personal research and direct reading over “expert” interpretations.”

    “Its members value individual initiative and ingenuity, trusting scientific analysis only insofar as they can replicate it themselves by accessing and manipulating the data firsthand.”

    “They are highly reflexive about the inherently biased nature of any analysis, and resent what they view as the arrogant self-righteousness of scientific elites.”

    “Many of the users believe that the most important metrics are missing from government-released data.”

    “One user wrote: ‘Coding data is a big deal—and those definitions should be offered transparently by every state. Without a national guideline—we are left with this mess’.”

    “The lack of transparency within these data collection systems—which many of these users infer as a lack of honesty—erodes these users’ trust within both government institutions and the datasets they release.”

    “In fact, there are multiple threads every week where users debate how representative the data are of the population given the increased rate of testing across many states.”

    “These groups argue that the conflation of asymptomatic and symptomatic cases therefore makes it difficult for anyone to actually determine the severity of the pandemic.”

    “For these anti-mask users, their approach to the pandemic is grounded in more scientific rigor, not less.”

    “These individuals as a whole are extremely willing to help others who have trouble interpreting graphs with multiple forms of clarification: by helping people find the original sources so that they can replicate the analysis themselves, by referencing other reputable studies…
    that come to the same conclusions, by reminding others to remain vigilant about the limitations of the data, and by answering questions about the implications of a specific graph.”

    “While these groups highly value scientific expertise, they also see collective analysis of data as a way to bring communities together within a time of crisis, and being able to transparently and dispassionately analyze the data is crucial for democratic governance.”

    “In fact, the explicit motivation for many of these followers is to find information so that they can make the best decisions for their families—and by extension, for the communities around them.”

    “The message that runs through these threads is unequivocal: that data is the only way to set fear-bound politicians straight, and using better data is a surefire way towards creating a safer community.”

    “Data literacy is a quintessential criterion for membership within the community they have created.”

    “Arguing anti-maskers need more scientific literacy is to characterize their approach as uninformed & inexplicably extreme. This study shows the opposite: they are deeply invested in forms of critique & knowledge production they recognize as markers of scientific expertise”

    “We argue that anti-maskers’ deep story draws from similar wells of resentment, but adds a particular emphasis on the usurpation of scientific knowledge by a paternalistic, condescending elite that expects intellectual subservience rather than critical thinking from the public.”

    And yet in the conclusion they lament “the skeptical impulse that the ‘science simply isn’t settled,’ prompting people to simply ‘think for themselves” to horrifying ends.”

    They then compare it to the January 6 Capitol riot.

    Bizarre and fascinating document.

    1. people to simply ‘think for themselves”..
      Can’t have that going on.

    2. Thanks, Nardz! I’ll read that thing carefully at some point.

      Here is the link.

      The MIT observations about the “skeptic community” (e.g., excerpt below, emphasis added) are pretty consistent with what I’ve been seeing, but I need to study the analyses to understand their, um, “conclusions”. Guess I’m too much of a “free thinker”. 😎

      not communicating the uncertainty inherent in scientific writing has contributed to the erosion of public trust in science [56, 100]. As Tufekci demonstrates (and our data corroborates), the CDC’s initial public messaging that masks were ineffective—followed by a quick public reversal— seriously hindered the organization’s ability to effectively communicate as the pandemic progressed. As we have seen, people are not simply passive consumers of media: anti-mask users in particular were predisposed to digging through the scientific literature and highlighting the uncertainty in academic publications that media or- ganizations elide. When these uncertainties did not surface within public-facing versions of these studies, people began to assume that there was a broader cover-up [99].

      1. When the uncertainties were covered up to the general public, the antimaskers were convinced it was a cover up.
        Yes that is how that works, great job

    3. Wr call those people the anti-baileys

    4. PARTY OF SCIENCE!!

    5. Very interesting and in line with my experience.

    6. It’s probably fair to say that the science is settled on certain very well established things.
      But it sure as fuck isn’t settled when it comes to a virus we’ve only dealt with for a year and a half. Or really any virus. One thing that has amazed me in what I have learned about these things is how little we know about how viruses actually work. We don’t even really know how it is commonly transmitted. We know even less about seasonality and dormancy and triggering and stuff like that. Or why some places had it so much worse than others, or had very little last spring and serious epidemics over the winter.

      1. Science is never “settled”. It can operate with a very high degree of confidence in many areas, but it isn’t “settled”. Ever.

        1. Yes, of course. But I think you know what I mean. On certain things, like, say, that the Earth orbits the Sun, I think effectively it’s a settled fact. As much as anything is, anyway. You can’t prove, for example, that the entire universe isn’t just a figment of my imagination.

          1. Wicked Problem.

            The Earth moving around the Sun isn’t even trivially affected by mankind’s existence (yet, maybe). Viruses, OTOH, are not only directly dependent on mankind’s existence and behavior, but on their (lack of) knowledge and even (lack of) wisdom. Even if you draw perfectly accurate and bulletproof evidence about the current pandemic, future pandemics will only arise in spite of that knowledge. To say otherwise is self-evidently foolish beyond belief.

    7. Well, this is what the CDC says about any virus other than the magical Communist Chinese Virus:
      Unvaccinated Asymptomatic Persons, Including Those at High Risk for Influenza Complications;
      No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons, including those at high risk for complications, to prevent exposure to influenza viruses.

      So the settled medical science says masks are for the sick and their caregivers.
      The unsettled political science says everyone, including vaccinated, must wear two or more “cloth face coverings”.
      Guess which is fascists.

      1. Guess which is fascists.

        Obviously the Science Deniers.

    8. I don’t know which anti-maskers they interviewed. The anti-maskers I’ve encountered in my store were Q-Anoners with their “WWG1WGA” T-shirts going on their little snipe hunt for ‘bread crumbs.”

      Also, they cite Alex Jones and Natural News and evidently don’t even believe in washing hands after using the restroom, since I witnessed them leave without hand-washing when I was in the restroom.

      This whole time, I have been waiting for us to get an Americans with Disabilities Act lawsuit from some “Sovereign Citizen” Jailhouse Paralegal just for politely offering free masks at the door.

      Two of the anti-maskers, a corn-fed Tammy Faye Bakker without her trowel-and-mortar make-up and a T.D. Jakes/Leroy Brown clone, loudly proclaimed in the store that your mask and your mask and your mask don’t work, that my sanitizing the register didn’t work, and that “The only thing that works is tha healin’ pow’r uv JAY-ZUS!”

      When the T.D. Jakes/Leroy Brown doppleganger pointed out my sanitizing, I had enough and said: “Show me your medical sheep-skin or I don’t want to hear it! This here sanitizer is what extened our life expectancy from 30 to 83 in a hundred years time!”

      T.D./Leroy and Tammy Faye then quietly slinked away, still muttering “That don’t work! That don’t work!” I should have yelled back: “Stop being nasty! Stop being nasty!”

      That MIT study needs a more representative sample.

      1. Obviously your anecdote of two walking caricatures was much more representative than their sample of 100+ mask skeptics. We bow to your scientific superiority.

        1. While what I presented was an anecdote, it was also an indicator of where else to look for information on thought processes and opinions of anti-maskers. Had the MIT surveyers infiltrated an InfoWars or Homeopathc forum or a house of worship that shuns masking, they would find few independent-minded scholars there.

          1. They were not studying conspiracy nuts, they were studying people skeptical of mask mandates It is the difference between people who require evidence to be convinced and those that accept appeals by authorities without question.

            1. There is at least some Venn Diagram overlap in those categories and 100 survey participants seems kind of a small sample.

      2. Countering scientific analysis with an obviously well rehearsed and exaggerated anecdote filled with sarcasm. Way to completely miss the context of their study, dumbass.

        Are you really working retail, or did you just steal the whole thing wholesale?

        1. Retail workers are far more than cart-pushers, shelf-stockers, and cashiers. We are the coal-mine canaries of a dark, seamy underworld in plain sight, but rarely studied in depth by average people.

          We are the grunts of commerce, but also ground-level lifetime lay students of product development, marketing trends, group dynamics, ecology, economics, sociology, criminology, and psychopathology.

          The data we observe and provide already helps stores run more profitably and efficiently, and properly collected and organized, the data we provide could assist other pursuits such as this study of anti-maskers.

          Most telling, how others treat retail workers is a pretty good indicator of how they regard commerce, how they regard all the products and services that we work with and provide, how they treat other human beings and how they treat themselves.

          1. That sounded fancy. But you neither demonstrated that you understood the context of the study nor answered my question.

            1. It also didn’t sound fancy. Line holders in DC also believe they have special insights into politics.

              1. No special insights from me, just what I have observed from a place visited by people crossing many demographic categories. I’d think it would be worth something to any serious researcher.

            2. I understand the context of the study, I just don’t think it gets the whole picture. And my answer should show I know from retail.

      3. There are always the dicks too. But there are a lot of very serious and smart people (including many actual experts in relevant fields) being skeptical and doing a very good and rigorous job of it.

        1. No doubt that is true, and I do think how a person reaches conclusions is more important than who the person is.

          It’s just that you can only go on what you are presented and anti-maskers just don’t make their case well when it is surrounded with a bunch of hysteria and woo.

          (And on the flip side, I agree that multiple masking and masking outdoors while alone and masking pets and wearing NBC-grade gas masks are all hysteria and woo too.)

      4. I should hasten to add that I’m not a mask fetishist. I wash hands, use sanitizer, socially distance, took the two-shot Pfizer vaccine, and wear masks in my store and other stores and establishments, but never outdoors or riding in my car with the windows down. Karens and Chads who have a problem with that will get a vaccine card and a grab of my crotch.

        1. Sure, Karen.

          1. A simple re-reading of the story will show that the anti-maskers are the Karens and the rest of us workers and customers are the ones who suffer them heavily.

            1. Sure, Karen.

      5. What kind of store are we talking about?

        1. Let’s just say a Complicated Empire.

        2. Apparently, the kind where if you show up in a “WWG1WGA” t-shirt, the owner follows you into the bathroom to make sure you wash your hands.

          It almost has a “I sucked them off in the bathroom stall and they didn’t even have the courtesy to wash their hands.” vibe. I’m not really sorry you let yourself get used like that.

          1. At least anecdotes can be organized into statistics if someone wants to do so. Your idle speculation and fantasy cannot.

    9. Fucking brilliant find. I loved this acknowledgement (emphasis is mine).

      Arguing that anti-maskers simply need more scientific literacy is to characterize their approach as uninformed and inexplicably extreme. This study shows the opposite: users in these communities are deeply invested in forms of critique and knowledge production that they recognize as markers of scientific expertise. If anything, anti-mask science has extended the traditional tools of data analysis by taking up the theoretical mantle of recent critical studies of visualization [31, 35]. Anti-mask approaches acknowledge the subjectivity of how datasets are constructed, attempt to reconcile the data with lived experience, and these groups seek to make the process of understanding data as transparent as possible in order to challenge the powers that be.

    10. I can’t believe nobody made a mask slipping joke yet.

  25. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1391903418403393536?s=19

    Liz Bruenig: I married at 25 and really love motherhood, my husband and my kids. Surveying my life on Mother’s Day, I’m happy with my choices.

    Liberal Twitter: Liz Bruenig wants to put white feminists in chains and is driven by fear of white extinction: a Nazi basically

  26. I heard the cadavers voted for him as well.

  27. https://twitter.com/WethePeopleAZA1/status/1391973551482179586?s=19

    So the “bad guys” can hack an entire pipeline system but they can’t hack county elections?? Okay. Whatever.

    1. The election was fortified!

      1. I think you misspelled falsified.

    2. Bodies well for a future conflict against a near-peer with competent IT staff, doesn’t it?

      1. “Bodes”, you ignorant fucking autocorrect. Though ‘bodies’ certainly would follow.

      2. You’ll never find a good IT staff with union hiring rules and pay structures.

  28. Biden and the left are so used to openly lying yo the useful idiots the last few years that they don’t even try it. This site also pushed the biden as a moderate narrative despite the open plans on his website. He feels like he can openly lie and let the media do the narrative and damage control it has done the last few years. How many debunked stories of Twitter or anonymous stories does one need before they push back? Apparently it took this one for Reason to push back, but they will go right back to narrative amplifying this afternoon like Sullum did yesterday. Jeff and dol will continue in the comments.

    How about learning a lesson and realizing biden is a lying dementia patient with terrible ideas and plans? But no mean tweets at least. That’s reserved for his cabinet and nominations.

    1. How about accepting that basement bunker Biden is slowly implementing the party platform he ran on?
      Vote for fascists, get fascism.

    2. Stop clicking sullum articles. He is the most short bus of reason writers. The insulting thing is he thinks the readers are as retarded as he is.
      I am happy to say it’s been along time since I last clicked a sullum article.

  29. “My take on this is that the overall driver in these migrations is flight from restrictions,” University of Toronto professor Richard Florida tweeted yesterday.

    Why is this Canadian even considering migration in the United States? Weird.

    1. Florida Man. What do you expect?

    2. “Canadian… considering migration in the United States”

      Lol, that must terrify your crazy ass.

      1. check the handle, mom
        *winky face*

  30. https://twitter.com/_iDreamNoMore_/status/1392114720920928256?s=19

    Right on schedule. The Great Reset marches on completely unopposed by anyone that matters [graphic]

    1. French .mil may have other opinions about that: https://www.valeursactuelles.com/societe/exclusif-signez-la-nouvelle-tribune-des-militaires/

      Second open letter to France’s civilian leadership, from a bunch of their military officers. Shades of the OAS. Maybe even Napoleon-esque.

  31. Gas lines and stations out of gas on the east coast and southeast. that is jimmy carter all over again.

    Thanks to reason koch liberaltarians who pimped this senile idiot we now have to live through the 70s again. I did that once and I was glad it was over and Reagan was elected and disco died.

    1. Are we supposed to believe that Trump would have prevented the pipeline sabotage?

      1. Isn’t it strange that this never happened while Trump was in office, but a couple of months after the coup we start getting terrorist attacks and our infrastructure sabotaged again?

        1. They were saying for months before the inauguration that they are planning on changing literally everything whether we like it or not. But I’m sure that is completely unrelated to how rapidly everything has gone to shit within a few months after the inauguration. Totally coincidental.

      2. This administration is not even taking it seriously and Biden has demonstrated repeatedly that he is against fossil fuels, why should we assume that they think it’s bad or unintended?

        1. Just like the sudden uptick in “mass Shootings” while talking about gun control. many things happen all of the sudden. unplaned hardly

      3. I think Trump’s policies were more pro fossil fuel exploitation and development than Biden’s. Which may have resulted in a more resilient distribution network, less susceptible to this kind of supply shock.

        Biden campaigned on wanting higher fossil fuel prices, for Chrissake.

    2. Just for the record, the “Iranian hostage crisis” ended the day Regan took office from Carter.

      Says something about foreign policy differences among the political parties.

      Also for the record, there were no gas lines during the oil embargo until the federal government imposed price controls.

    3. The bigger issue here, and one that pointedly isn’t being addressed by anyone in power right now, is the very real vulnerabilities of our cyber infrastructure that have been exposed since the OPM got hacked during the Obama administration, and have ramped up in recent years.

      We’re at something of a crossroads here because cyberwarfare has always been in the “grey zone”, where actions like this weren’t enough to warrant a forceful response. The most regimes do is sanctions, which are nothing more than window dressing and don’t actually serve as a deterrent.

      So some questions emerge here–should the US consider Mutually Assured Destruction as an option in the cyber theater, especially now that the Space Force has been activated for the express purpose of treating these areas as battlefields? What sort of investment is going to be required to lock down our most vulnerable infrastructure and defense networks, in both the public and private sector–IOW, instead of outsourcing our tech manufacturing and labor to foreigners like we’ve been doing the last 30 years, should we start building up these capabilities at home so we can be more self-sustaining? What regulations should apply to the Tech Trust, which is ostensibly headquartered here but is globalist in operation, and works side-by-side with adversarial regimes in order to expand their businesses?

      I think the reason no one wants to really confront these issues is because 1) it would destroy the grifting and sinecures of those in power and those who parasitize from them, and 2) no one has the spine to actually put their reputation on the line to make any changes, because too many powerful people are invested in the status quo, and the effects of things like this pipeline shutdown don’t impact them in any way whatsoever.

  32. It’s almost like it doesn’t actually matter what the dead economists did or didn’t say.

    1. It only matters that they voted for biden

  33. One of the biggest stories going, right now, that few people seem to be paying attention to, is the escalating violence in Afghanistan.

    The Taliban had a peace agreement with the United States that they wouldn’t target U.S. troops, and the United States would withdraw from Afghanistan completely by May 1, 2021. Joe Biden unilaterally pronounced that we will withdraw by September 11, 2021 instead, but Joe Biden’s pronouncements don’t alter reality–no matter what the delusional progressives who run our media say.

    The Taliban hadn’t targeted a single American since the day President Trump signed the peace agreement on February 29, 2020, but that appears to be out the window now. It isn’t that the Taliban didn’t agree to extend the peace agreement with the Untied States past May 1st. It’s that the Taliban walked out of Biden’s peace talks after Joe Biden’s delusional pronouncement–that he was extending our withdrawal timeline to September 11, 2021.

    Why would Joe Biden making a pronouncement alter the terms of a withdrawal agreement? It doesn’t make sense.

    1. Here’s an excellent example of the kind of delusional reporting we’re getting from the media these days on this topic:

      “As U.S. and NATO forces began their formal withdrawal from Afghanistan on Saturday, violence broke out in multiple parts of the country, including near a base that’s home to remaining U.S. soldiers. The incidents appear to signal the challenges that likely lay ahead during the transition period.

      On Friday, the evening before the launch of the final withdrawal phase, which is set to end by or before Sept. 11, 2021, a truck bomb exploded outside of a guesthouse in Pul-e-Alam in Logar Province, killing at least 27 people. No one has claimed responsibility for the attack, but the Afghan government blames the Taliban. If that was indeed the case, The New York Times writes, then “it would be the most overt signal yet that the deal the Americans reached with the group” last year “is off.” The Taliban has never ceased with attacks and assassinations, but Friday night’s bombing “appeared to represent a shift in tactics,” the Times notes.

      The Taliban has accused the U.S. of violating the agreement — which originally marked May 1 as the final deadline — with Biden’s extension, though multiple spokesmen for the group said Saturday that leaders are still deciding how to respond.

      —-The Week, May 1, 2021

      Are you kidding?!

      1) The attack wasn’t “near” a base that houses Americans. I’m reading elsewhere that the Taliban attacked the airport, where U.S. troops are stationed. The U.S. military knew these attacks were coming, which is why they openly warned the Taliban not to attack ahead of May 1st. If the Taliban launches rockets at a base where Americans are stationed, they are not merely attacking “near” U.S. troops.

      2) The “transition period” between May 1, 2021 and September 11, 2021 is a period of time that only exists in the minds of the Biden administration and the delusional journalists who cover them. There is not such transition period in the peace agreement Trump signed with the Taliban. Joe Biden violated the terms of agreement by not leaving before May 1st, and the Taliban is no longer bound by the terms of the agreement not to attack American troops–no matter what Joe Biden and his delusional army of journalists say.

      3) They write, “The Taliban has never ceased attacks and assassinations'”, but the agreement wasn’t between the Taliban and the U.S. backed government in Kabul. Those two are still fighting a civil war. The Taliban released all the Kabul government’s POWs they were holding per the terms of Trump’s agreement, but that was their only obligation to Kabul–besides entering peace talks, which the Taliban did.

      Trump’s peace deal only stipulated that the Taliban wouldn’t attack U.S. troops, and from the day Trump signed that agreement on February 29, 2020 until May 1, 2021, there was a not a single American combat death in Afghanistan–not one. The Taliban abided by the terms of the agreement; the agreement didn’t cover their ongoing civil war with the Kabul government.

      4) The Taliban is still deciding how to respond–diplomatically and officially–but the attacks that began on May 1, 2021 and have escalated since then are the Taliban’s response. The U.S. violated the terms of the peace deal, so the peace is over. The only question outstanding is whether Biden really intends to leave in September, and the Taliban will surely do everything they can to encourage Biden to leave–whether that means relatively light resistance to Biden’s foot dragging or full out terrorist campaign.

      Conclusion?

      Trump was wrong about a lot of things. He was wrong about trade and immigration. He was right about a lot of things, too. He was right to try to get us out of Afghanistan, and he was right when he said that progressive journalists are the enemy of the American people.

      I don’t care if progressive journalists are delusional because they’re truly stupid or because they’re manipulative, lying sacks of shit. It was always true that we should read the news with a critical eye, but it’s truer now than ever. The public’s opinion of the news media is down near historic lows, but it isn’t low enough. It needs to go lower.

        1. Can’t leave now got to stay and fight till there is peace and women’s rights and transgender children.

          1. That was in the statement when the Taliban decided to bail on Biden’s peace talks.

            Trump’s deal doesn’t ensure that the fundamentalist Islamic fanatics that make up the Taliban will treat women as equals after the U.S. leaves, so obviously, we can’t leave Afghanistan until the feminists win.

            The Equal Rights Amendment didn’t even pass in the United States.

            1. The 10 million Pelosi funneled to Pakistan for “Gender Studies” will offset the costs for the weapons the Taliban get.

      1. Almost like the delay was a ploy to break the deal and restart hostilities, giving Biden the perfect excuse to stay forever.

        If he wanted out he would have gotten out on May 1.

        1. I think it’s likely that Biden himself is entirely susceptible to the same arguments that made LBJ double down in Vietnam.

          The reason powerful people in our government shouldn’t have power is because regardless of what they say, they tend to do the same kinds of stupid things when they’re in certain situations. The lessons of Orwell’s “Shooting an Elephant” are still true today. They feel like they need to do something stupid–even though they know it’s a stupid thing to do. Chances are that Afghanistan will end in bloody chaos after we leave, but it’s the smart thing to do anyway, just like leaving Vietnam was the smart thing to do. It may take an egotistical, oblivious, obnoxious narcissist like Trump to do the smart thing in this situation, and Biden just doesn’t have the balls to stand up and say, “Leaving may result in a bloodbath, but we need to do it anyway, and I’ll take the heat”. Those people’s problems aren’t going away because we stay, and they won’t be able to start dealing with them until we leave.

          Biden doesn’t want to be the guy who oversees a bloodbath.

          It takes 30 days to get our heavy equipment out of the country so the Taliban can’t use it against the Kabul government. The rest of the time Biden is asking for is all about trying to avoid a bloodbath when we leave. I don’t believe that’s possible. The war can’t end until we leave, too. Biden knows that. He’s playing for time to try to get us out without the bloodbath, but if that’s impossible, and it probably is, I wouldn’t bet on him leaving. He doesn’t want that legacy.

          I don’t know if there was a way for Yugoslavia to see the end of totalitarian government without a horrifying and bloody race war, but I don’t think totalitarian government was the ultimate and eternal solution to preventing it either. That’s the kind of thing we’re staring at. And, no, I don’t think Biden has the balls to do the smart, right thing if it means a black mark on his name for posterity and today. Nixon tried to save the Vietnam War until the very last moment when Congress cut his funding.

          The conditions that prevail when the U.S. leaves will never be conducive to peace and prosperity for Afghanistan. The most rational hope is that China comes in to exploit Afghanistan’s vast mineral wealth for mining, and the warlords and the Taliban become concerned with peace so they can get rich selling the stuff they mine to Chinese manufacturers. But that peace doesn’t comes until the U.S. backed government in Kabul is no more. They’re not about to protect those mining right for the Taliban to get rich, and the Taliban has no reason to tolerate them once the U.S. leaves.

          Against that backdrop, do I see Biden leaving?

          Probably not–not even if he wants to go.

      2. So Brain Damaged Biden is fucking this up too = withdrawal

        What a surprise.

      3. 5) Note that this has poisoned the well too. Whether we end up staying committed to Afghanistan or it ends in a bloodbath and we breed another round of anti-US OBL sympathizers, we set a date for when to leave and then moved it back without even a fig’s leaf of justification that anyone other than Joe Biden and TDS-sufferers care about.

        I didn’t join the military because I’d heard enough stories about what a clusterfuck Vietnam was and how detached from anything like defending American freedom much of the operations were. I’d hate to be a family member or relative of a soldier who dies between now and Sept. 11. Worse than the Civil War soldiers still fighting battles after Appomattox.

        1. With the current woke military and the straight up treacherous generals, and the progressives lying and pussing this, I find it very difficult to have sympathy

      4. Joe Biden violated the terms of agreement by not leaving before May 1st, and the Taliban is no longer bound by the terms of the agreement not to attack American troops–no matter what Joe Biden and his delusional army of journalists say.

        This is ultimately what it boils down to. The “principled conservatives” at sites like Patterico have no fucking clue or understanding what was signed in February 2020, and acted like this withdrawal announcement from Biden came out of the blue sky. Trump wanted to get everyone out LAST FALL, BEFORE the damn deadline, and was blocked by Liz Cheney and Jason Crow thanks to that stupid fake report from the spooks about Russian bounties.

        That’s something people need to wrap their heads around–the Taliban abided by the terms of the deal–fully and completely. The US broke it, thanks to the Biden administration, the neocons, and the Democrats in Congress. Why the fuck should the Taliban come back to the table now? We’ve been bombing them for nearly 20 years, and they just keep popping back up and laughing at us. So what incentive do they have to not attack our troops, when Biden is now on the hook for pulling everyone out by 9/11, regardless of what they do?

        1. The Taliban released the 1,000 prisoners they were holding.

          https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/afghan-govt-free-900-prisoners-taliban-extend-truce-70878112

          It was mostly a media news blackout of Trump’s accomplishments.

          If Trump had saved a drowning child from a burning building, half of America might never have heard about it.

  34. Traditionally, for Democrats, being dead is not an impediment for voting for something.

  35. We really must do something about all of this misinformation and disinformation coming from the White House.

    I suggest that President Biden creates a collusion to look deep, deep inside his asshole.

      1. If Biden appointed the committee, would there be a difference?

      2. I just assume ‘collusion’ was the groupwise plural of asshole explorers.

        1. “asshole explorers” could be Tony’s band name

    1. I think ENB should be his next press secretary. In her case it would be considered sex work.

  36. Silence is agreement.

    1. But I thought Silence Is Violence?

      1. I get so confused. I think the reality is – Disagreement is violence.

  37. >>So what the heck was Biden talking about?

    he sees dead people.

  38. Biden claims dead economists love his jobs plan.

    They should have told him to come to the light…

  39. So Biden is the third type of President. You know, the first makes things happen, the second watches things happen. The third, Biden, says, what the fuck just happened?

  40. BTW, not sure how much coverage this has been getting, but Israel and Hamas are bombing the shit out of each other.

    Which is of course within normal parameters.

    1. (D) must be in the White House again lol

    2. Too local.

    3. Probably because Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capitol.

    4. Fuck Netanyahu

    5. The fireworks display is especially good this year. Reminds me of playing “Missle Command” as a kid.

  41. Biden claims dead economists love his jobs plan.

    To be fair, it was dead people that made up his largest voter base.

    1. dead people

      That’s transdead you undead-naming, exothermic bigot.

  42. “Not sure American politics is fully prepared for the point at which millennial+GenZ voters outnumber boomer voters”

    Where does Gen X factor in?

    1. Ganadores.

    2. Better than the Sex Pistols, not as good as The Clash, The Damned, and The Jam. Billy Idol’s done pretty well for himself since he was in the band (he still plays a couple GenX songs at his concerts, as an apology for also playing “LA Woman).

  43. Calgary police, who were called Nazis by Canadian preacher, prove he was right.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/artur-dawid-pawlowski-1.6019536

    1. The fat turd behind all this is Alberta’s United Conservative Party premier, Jason Kenny.
      All the worst traits of the GOPe reside in his fetid carcass. It’s no surprise that he’s sitting at 17% in the polls.

      1. I looked up his wiki entry, this is all that’s listed under Personal life

        Kenney is considered fluently bilingual.[145]

        LOL. Is that code for something?

        1. Yeah, he’s an parasitic Ottawa bureaucrat masquerading as a Western populist.

  44. If those other two don’t agree, they’ll be dead too.

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  46. It is said that Roman generals knew that the Emperor Augustus was “over the hill” when he began assigning long-dead generals to his battle plans.

  47. Biden has the microphone so he gets to create the narrative. And then the Biden-loving news media gets to repeat it until it’s believed.

  48. Trump said something wrong – lies!
    Biden says something wrong – he mispoke

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