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The Derek Chauvin Trial Begins: Dispatch From Minneapolis

“I think if Chauvin’s acquitted, we’re fucked,” says one local cop.

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Cursory impression: Minneapolitans do not like police, or rather, they don't like Minneapolis police.

I am not talking about the people one might expect to show antipathy toward cops on the day former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin goes on trial for the murder of George Floyd: The activists (or whoever) spray-painted ACAB ("All Cops Are Bastards") on an overpass near the Target store that was looted two days after Floyd's death. I am not talking about the girl who offered us cake at the "Land Back Now!" cookout near the Basilica of Saint Mary, or the security guy who, after he tells us about his eight kids, including triplets, the boys identical and the girl fraternal ("The OBGYN said, 'Boy, you got some crazy sperm if you can do that in 24 hours'"), says George Floyd Square, which he sometimes patrols, "is about peace."

I am talking about middle-of-the-road locals, the white journalist who says to her 30-year-old son, "The Minneapolis police have been terrible since before you were born." The son who calls the former head of the police union, Bob Kroll, "the Antichrist." The full-blooded Native American who tells me, "The last time a cop here pulled a gun on me, it was for walking down the street with my hands in my pockets."

Since the death of George Floyd, I've had in my mind two images of Minneapolis: as a city under siege and as a place moving, if somewhat jerkily, toward necessary healing. It's hard to argue that Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds (upped yesterday, from 8:46, in opening statements by the prosecution) is not a tactic the Minneapolis Police Department (or any police department) should rethink or do away with. That those minutes have exploded into the consciousness on a worldwide level is undeniable. This morning, I have two people—one in Portland, Oregon, the other in London—arguing on my Instagram about Floyd's death and proportionality and how "one might wonder if there is a bit more going on here."

As someone who covered the protests in Portland during the summer and fall of 2020, I know about proportionality, know there is more going on here, know that no amount of fire setting and window breaking, of tear gassing or neck kneeling, will satisfy those who seek healing through destruction. We've taken sides; don't, as my late father used to say, "confuse me with the facts."

I came to Minneapolis yesterday naïve about the situation on the ground, but for one aspect: The city, just after Floyd's death, had touched off days of massive street violence, hundreds of buildings torched, and a five-mile stretch of Lake Street sustaining heavy property damage. I knew that law enforcement had been overwhelmed. And I wondered, with the Chauvin trial underway, if there was a sense of dread that, should the outcome be unsatisfying, the city would burn again. Were Minneapolitans afraid? Resigned? Hopeful? What had they done in the wake of Floyd's death and what were they doing and feeling today? I'm asking people of different stripes, people who might usually not be interested in varying perspectives, might have recently or long ago decided that Person X is the enemy. I offer the perspectives anyway. Call me Pollyanna.

First up: two active duty Minneapolis-area officers, who spoke to me separately and on the condition of anonymity (and identified here as J and N), the night before the trial began, about their deployment immediately after Floyd's death and what happens now. Comments have been edited for length and clarity.

J: "Almost as soon as we arrived at our staging area, we were ordered to put on our riot gear—which we had never worn—and deployed to defend the Fifth Precinct. This was [May 28], one day after the Third Precinct burned to the ground. We marched in from about five blocks through crowds screaming, throwing bottles, launching fireworks at us from both sides of the street…Later in the evening, a woman almost ran us over in her vehicle while we stood on a riot line.

"The radio traffic sounded like a fucking zombie movie, with the Minneapolis Police Department officers screaming they were facing massive crowds and could not hold their positions without relief. The cops looked absolutely wrecked. Every squad car had a broken window and many were held together with duct tape. I had to tell family to hunker down and not bother calling 911, because nobody was coming; one of the guys I know at MPD sent me a text telling me there was nobody left to answer calls."

N: "Everybody had to go in and it was an absolute shit show because nobody knew what to do or where to go. We had never dealt with anything like that. I don't think the city has seen anything like this ever…Almost immediately there were rental cars everywhere, with the plates taken off of them, people driving a hundred miles an hour up and down streets, it was the Wild West, I mean, it was lawless and then some."

J: "There was a huge commercial building threatening an adjacent public housing complex that was occupied. Normally, if you have a large fire like that, law enforcement is going to evacuate the adjacent buildings. That area of Lake Street is largely controlled at this point by rioters. So we need to move these people out of there to get the fire department in there. Law enforcement, they're using a lot of that stuff; just an ungodly amount of ordnance that gets dropped there: less-lethal rounds, tear gas, impact munitions.

"One of the things that's very frustrating to me about this whole thing is: Now Portland can't use tear gas. Now Seattle can't use tear gas. It's like, if you want to take that away from us, you're leaving us with sticks and bats. The only reason those officers didn't have to basically engage in medieval hand-to-hand combat with these people is because of the overwhelming superiority of less lethal munitions we have there.

"So the crowd gets pushed back. Then we actually get approached by two of the [black bloc] 'medics.' And they're like, 'You guys need to go help the people in that [burning] building, people that need help.' It's like, okay well, maybe stop setting buildings on fire then?

"If you watch Portlandia, the jokes also make sense in Minneapolis. It's a very similar city, culturally; Minneapolis has a huge contingent of the anarcho-socialist, crust-punk, antifa-type milieu, in the same way Portland does. My impression of the people that were engaging law enforcement in the area where we were was, they're all wearing black; some of them have their little anarchist banners or whatever. And they were equipped in a way that made me think, we were dealing with kind of the white anarchist crowd, because those folks know what to bring. They have their bike helmets and their kneepads and elbow pads and they're covering their face in a more intelligent way to deal with tear gas than the average protestor, because they'd read all those CrimethInc. manuals and stuff."

N: "The narrative that was pushed out to the media was, 'The only people who caused destruction were from out of town, it was all out of state.' Well, that's fucking bullshit. I saw plenty of local assholes mixed into this. These riots were happening in every city and it wasn't like, everyone's just switching teams for the night."

J: "The next day [May 29], 300 troops were deployed to the state Capitol to, to defend it from no one. There were National Guard and armored vehicles on a completely empty lawn, protecting the governor's office from an empty square. The media showed up, took pictures, and left; the governor issued a tough-sounding press release. Meanwhile, they could see the smoke columns rising over Minneapolis in the distance. It was a complete failure of leadership and massive misuse of resources."

N: [With the Chauvin trial underway], "there's intelligence coming out that folks from Portland, Seattle, New York, Austin, and other activist cities are traveling to Minneapolis to be there for this. You're not only dealing with the hometown contingent. You've got a lot of out-of-town people. I mean, those folks are not going to miss the trial."

J: "There's probably a solid core of at least 300 [local activists] that you can reliably count on. That's me just guessing based on what I've seen in the past…The issue is, we have rules we have to follow—as we should—and they don't. They're drawing on years and years of theory of how to effectively engage government forces in a psychological warfare campaign. All these people, they've read Mao, they've read [activist] Saul Alinsky. Their purpose is to provoke the appearance of a disproportionate response from law enforcement, to bring more people to their cause and gain a greater critical mass on the street. That's going to be a real question with this upcoming stuff: How much do we hold back versus, just snuff it out right away and make the arrests we need to make and remove the accelerants from the equation?"

N: "You have to arrest the main instigators. You just have to arrest people, period. And we didn't do that [last time]. There was no infrastructure in place for it. It's still a logistical nightmare for mass arrest.

"The National Guard has already been activated, so they're going to help in a preemptive way, versus responding two days later away. We'll already have them; we're much more prepared. We're not caught with our pants down, like last time.

"Our higher-ups are saying, 'We're preparing for the worst.' [The day the trial starts], we go into not 'emergency level,' but a more heightened state, through the length of the trial. I think [what happens to the city] totally depends on the verdict. I think if Chauvin's acquitted, we're fucked. There's no other way to put it."

J: "There's folks out there that are going to take any excuse to engage in civil unrest with us. [The jury] going for the manslaughter and not the murder, I think, will be good enough for them [to riot]."

N: "The jury is from Hennepin County. I can't imagine, in the back of their minds, they're not thinking, 'Boy, I can't say not guilty, regardless of the circumstances, because I don't want my city to burn.' I feel like that's going to play into it. I'm just speculating, but I feel sorry for those folks. I really do. I would not want to be in that position.

"I'd like to think that we're more prepared, but I just don't know if this [trial] is going to be a magnet for crazies from all over the U.S. to come here and wreak havoc. My guess is there will be fewer just regular folks who are just out protesting because they're upset, and there'll be less of those people to hide amongst. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being hopeful."

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  1. ‘Boy, you got some crazy sperm if you can do that in 24 hours'”

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  2. Ahhhh. Political prosecutions. Where social and political pressure will trump the Coroner’s report regarding lethal doses and past records regarding Floyd swallowing bags of drugs to avoid arrest will be dismissed.

    Good times.

    1. ‘m not the coroner (neither are you), but Floyd didn’t look like someone ODing on Fentanyl.

      You only have a problem if cops hurt your fellow Trump fellating fascists?
      TRAITOR

      1. Hey wk/sqrsly.

      2. autopsy by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation,” the complaint states.

        https://justthenews.com/government/local/george-floyd-autopsy-found-no-physical-findingsof-traumatic-asphyxia-or

      3. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
        4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
        Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
        Various types of THC: 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL; Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL

        A urine drug screen also confirmed free morphine of 86 ng/mL.

        https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/george-floyd-death/authorities-just-released-george-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/

      4. Fentanyl 11. He said, “that’s pretty high.” This level of fentanyl can cause pulmonary edema. Mr. Floyd’s lungs were 2-3x their normal weight at autopsy. That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances. . . . AB said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death.
        https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-documents-in-the-george-floyd-case/

        Btw, fentanyl overdoses is usually dying from fluid in the lungs.

        1. He was screaming “mama.” Someone ODing on opiates would appear unconscious.

          You only care if the police go after your fellow fascist
          Traitor

          1. He went unconscious. Sorry you weren’t informed. Didn’t realize you’ve personally watched so many ODs.

            I’ll stick to the actual science though.

            1. Yeah, I really don’t think there’s enough evidence to prove the element of causation beyond a reasonable doubt. But from a civil perspective, there should be enough to show he owed a special duty to Floyd (beyond Chauvin’s general duty to the public) given how long he was on the guy, and that he breached that duty through his own inaction when it was reasonably clear the guy was in extreme physical distress.

              1. Chauvin stayed on top of Floyd for two minutes after one of his fellow cops said he couldn’t find a pulse. If that isn’t showing a “depraved indifference” I don’t know what would be. If Floyd had high levels of opioids in his blood it might just show that addicts/regular users can tolerate lots more dope that sober people. The medical examiner said the levels were high but he died of asphyxia, just like the autopsy done by the family.

                1. The autopsy by the family was done by “experts” that never examined the body.
                  Are we to speculate how much dope Floyd could handle? What about his heart? He OD’d the year before. His heart was shot. Young junkies may be able to handle high doses, Floyd certainly would not be able to.

            2. He probably gave them the hot doses that cause them to OD. Killy is a real shitbag.

        2. From the news article you quoted.

          “The Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner agrees with the autopsy findings and the cause of death certification of George Floyd as determined by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office. His death was caused by the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine and fentanyl intoxication. The subdual and restraint had elements of positional and mechanical asphyxiation. The presence of sickle cell trait is a significant finding in this context.

          We concur with the reported manner of death of homicide.”

          The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology is a highly respected institution worldwide. People come there from all over to learn from the top level experts in the field. It is where pathologists go for referral. I was there for two months and it was astonishing.

          Now tell me what you know.

          1. The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology? The one in Maryland? The government run place, right? Managed by the finest Affirmative Action hires they could fish from the ghetto? Did they ship George Floyd’s carcass there? No, they did not. Online Autopsies don’t impress me.

            1. To be correct I am saddened to learn that the AFIP at Walter Reed Medical Center in DC no longer exists. The armed forces medical resource as an academic medical institution still does.

              For many years the armed forces have maintained top level in medical education, research and care. They should continue to do so.

              Your racist post is taken for what it is.

              1. I was in the military for 21 years. I was injured and have spent plenty of time in military hospitals. It is hardly “top level”. Walter Reid was a filth pit, as are all the hospitals in that region. It is well known that the problem is the over-entitled, underachieving, Affirmative Action tainted losers that would not be hired anywhere outside the government.
                Is it racist to mention Affirmative Action now you race-baiting, Woke Cunt? There is nothing more racist than Affirmative Action. It is racism pure.

        3. No dying from opiate overdose is directly caused by central nervous system respiratory depression. That can be reversed if the naloxone antidote is administered in time.

          The allegation here is mechanical asphyxia. We all saw that happening.

          Now scientist give me the differential diagnosis of pulmonary edema and infiltrates without Google.

          I am not judge nor jury here. I do not know what will be decided in a court of law.

          1. You need to try some punctuation there if you’d like to be understood; took a couple of tries.

          2. “That can be reversed if the naloxone antidote is administered in time.”

            If George Floyd would have refrained from resisting, he would have OD’d in the station where treatment would have been available. With his heart condition, fighting while cuffed was deadly. His fault.

            “The allegation here is mechanical asphyxia. We all saw that happening”.

            Wrong again. “We” didn’t see anything of the sort. Don’t think for a second that you speak for anyone but yourself. You aren’t a Doctor or you would have mentioned it. “WE” don’t see anything the same. That is the way you and the illiterate and excitable “denizens of the ghetto” see it. We only saw a really high junkie try to resist going to jail. He was also about to operate a vehicle higher than a kite. No problem, right?
            I am not sure why the denizens of the ghetto grow so fond of certain dead junkies. They certainly don’t love them when they are alive.

          3. “The allegation here is mechanical asphyxia. We all saw that happening.”

            No, we saw a knee on the side of a neck. That doesn’t cause asphyxia.

            1. As it was explained to me by a doctor when I asked about how to know when someone who appears to be choking on food is truly in trouble (and I have seen confirmed many places since then), if a person can speak loud enough for someone to hear it they are still getting enough air into their lungs to survive.

              He wasn’t choking, his lungs were slowly filling up with fluid because of the overdose.

              The only angle you can take to “blame” the responders on the scene is that they didn’t get him to the hospital quickly enough to save him from his own intentional overdose, as the cops a year or so earlier did.

        4. “Btw, fentanyl overdoses is usually dying from fluid in the lungs.”

          Im sorry, but this is blatantly untrue. 99% of them die from resp depression…they pass out and stop breathing.

          Pulm edema is certainly possible, but it is nowhere near the amount of deaths and incidence that resp depression occurs at.

          Former EMT and current critical care doc here. You are reading the wrong stuff or trying to make the narrative fit, most likely. The drugs certainly could be a contributing factor as well as pulm edema, but most of your information and assumptions are based on what you want to be true, not how the drugs work.

      5. Hi KARen!

        1. Tell me if you visit the northwest you pussy

          1. Seattle or Portland? You sound like a leftist faggot from one of those places.

          2. Are you that desperate to get plowed?

          3. Tell me if you grow a second brain cell, lefty pile of shit.

          4. Cruising Reason? Lame. Just join ANTIFA, you can make plenty of friends there.

    2. Jesse, if I strangle you, and the coroner later finds out you were hours away from a massive heart attack, does that alter or mitigate the fact that I strangled you? I would think not.

      1. The report showed no strangulation. So why ask dumb questions?

        1. So why ask dumb questions?

          When that’s the only tool one has….

        2. Did I say anything about the report? Pretty sure I did not.

          But since you want to talk about it, the report did not conclude that Floyd died of an overdose of anything. It did state that the amount of fentanyl in his system was sufficient to be considered a likely cause of death had he died under different circumstances. But the doctor who performed the autopsy and wrote the medical report stated to investigators that he wasn’t saying the fentanyl was the cause of Floyd’s death.

          Now then, if I strangle you, and a doctor later finds out you were going to die a little later of a massive heart attack, does that alter or mitigate the fact that I strangled you?

          1. “Now then, if I strangle you,”

            And, again, there was no strangulation.

      2. Did George Floyd have hours? I was given Fentanyl in an ambulance. It is fast acting, immediate. Ask any ambulance driver. I can’t believe George wasn’t more chilled out. Must have been the Meth bump.
        Floyd didn’t have hours to live. Especially after resisting for 30 minutes.

    3. George Floyd is a uniquely unsympathetic person. But then so is Derek Chauvin. They’re both assholes, but one of them is dead. And for whatever reason the dead one has become a cause célèbre of black people. There are surely more sympathetic victims of criminal abuse, who also happen to be black. It is a bit of a mystery why this one became the focal point.

      Alas, here we are, as we were with Rodney King, another unsympathetic poster child for cop violence. And if Chauvin walks, it will undoubtedly be much the same as it was then. I am just old enough to remember being a passenger in a car, driving through a deserted portion of LA, though I had no idea what was going on at the time.

      There is little reason to let Chauvin walk. What he did is indisputably barbaric. Toss him into a cell, and maybe cops will tread lightly.

      1. “It is a bit of a mystery why this one became the focal point.”

        Because they needed an excuse for widespread rioting, to push their racist narrative and preempt lockdown unrest while bullying suburbanites, and got a compelling visual.

        1. I guess it really is all about the cellphone video. The case of Breonna Taylor is, imo, a much more worthy thing to champion.

          1. It’s the video. It’s that the video just keeps going and going and going while the police are so clearly more concerned with “controlling” the situation than even bothering to check on if the person who hasn’t moved in several minutes is OK. Regardless of how it got there, it’s a clear indictment on what’s wrong with attitudes in police today.

          2. “The three people, all members of the NFAC, suffered non-life threatening injuries, according to the Louisville Metro Police Department. The shooter was also a member of the militia.”

            Unfortunately, these are the “champions” that showed up for Breonna Taylor. Let’s just say, they need work.

  3. “I think if Chauvin’s acquitted, we’re fucked,” says one local cop.

    That cop’s a real optimist. Acquitted or not, they’re fucked.

    1. There’s gonna be riots no matter what. When he’s not found guilty of murder 2, because as a cop he actually gets held to the reasonable doubt standard like everyone is supposed to be, the riots will be worse. If they don’t even give him time for excessive force, the riots will be off the charts.

    2. There are no optimists in the ghetto, only experienced realists.

  4. Rommelman: The Irrelevant Misfit Perspective

    1. Kirkland. The whiny bitter asshole perspective.

      1. He’s pathetic, and like all miserable trolls a complete waste of time and energy; just flag and refresh and poof, they just go away, as if they’d never even existed.

        1. Oh, I flag the worthless little shit gargler. But sometimes I mock, first.

      2. Nice.

    2. Goddamn, you’re more boring than Tony.

      1. And, as hard to believe as it might be, even more abysmally stupid.

    3. Why would you have animosity for her? I get that you are a proggie sock… But what is the point of hating on her?

      She provided the only independent reporting on the events of last summer. Everything else was approved propaganda or some conservative site MSU.

      Is this another multi-user sock puppet?

      1. He’s a troll, and a very bitter one at that. Anything to be contrary and pick a pissing match thread fight. Sad, really. It’s likely the only human interaction he gets.

    4. Kirkland: The Sagittarius A* of assholes.

  5. If people standing in front of an occupied building that’s on fire won’t move for the fire department, moving them seems fairly justified.

  6. I just checked; MN abolished the death penalty in 1911, so anything less than life in a super max [which, given Chauvin’s reputation that will precede his every step in that direction, will the the same thing only worse; look up the death of Kaddafi if you’re curious] will result in a riot. Lots of riots, maybe a never ending Summer of 2021 Love Riot.

    1. If America’s jails and prisons are not safe for Derek Chauvin, they are not safe for anyone.

    2. Location, location, location.

  7. “The radio traffic sounded like a fucking zombie movie,”

    Probably because blmantifa are a bunch of fucking zombies.

    1. The MPD probably didn’t spend the money on encrypted radios. ANTIFA has fun with that.

  8. Chauvin will no doubt be convicted, and deservedly so. The real question is what happens if any of the other 3 cops get acquitted or are convicted of minor crimes, as at least one of them probably will be.

    1. Why even have a trial huh. Notice you didnt say which charge.

    2. Chauvin will no doubt be convicted, and deservedly so.

      Given the totality of the evidence so far, which of the charges he’s facing do you think he deserves to be convicted of?

    3. I could see Chauvin convicted for 3rd degree murder and the rest of them convicted for manslaughter. I believe that would be a desirable outcome.

      1. Desirable outcome for who? They will loot and burn no matter what.

  9. Pretty effin stupid to have this trial now. Should have done it in January when the avg temps are 20°F day and 7°F night.

    1. But that was not enough time for a $US27,000,000 payoff to Floyd’s family and lawyers.

  10. Nancy aren’t you afraid BLM or Antifa will hurt you for “covering” Chauvin’s trial?

    Stay out of Oregon you far right cunt.

    If you hate the people here why come here? So you can talk shit? Go back to NY you fucking cunt!

    1. Says the idiot about an article written from Minneapolis. Minneapolis, Oregon, in KARen’s “mind” (I’m being generous) apparently.

      1. She used to live in Portland and wrote a series of articles talking shit. Her husband’s shitty coffee business went under because they thought talking shit about Portlanders was a good idea.

        Fuck that far right cunt

        1. I doubt she is “right wing”…read her writings..maybe a neocon big govt liberal but sure as heck is not “right wing”..I think she was a supporter of Iraq but I could be wrong

        2. Portland lefty shit pissed that someone told the truth!
          How predictable from a steaming pile of shit like this.

          1. KARen is extremely tiresome.

    2. Don’t you have glue to sniff?

      1. Don’t you have Trump’s dick to suck?

    3. Cute it thinks it’s antifa. Dude you peed down your pants last time you even saw someone wearing black.

      1. Nancy wrote a series of articles about Antifa. Nancy loves talking shit about Portland. Even though she’s just another Californian who moved here when it was “cool.”

        Fuck that cunt.

        1. “Nancy loves talking shit about Portland.”
          Steaming pile of lefty shit can’t spell “reporting facts”, but given the steaming pile of lefty shit is enjoying his thrd year of 56th grade in government school, that’s not surprising.

          “Fuck that cunt.”
          Steaming pile of lefty shit has erotic fantasies and assumes the object of his desires would so much as piss on his grave.

        2. That’s because Portland is shit. Everyone talks shit about Portland. Portland is the punchline of the country.

          1. “San Francisco! At least we’re not Portland!”. With steaming piles of lefty shit like that.

          2. Sadly this is true. We’ve all given up on the city and now just hope it doesn’t spread. Same with Seattle.

    4. Ordinarily, I’d advise someone like you to get off the drugs, but in your case: go for it!

      -jcr

    5. I knew it. You’re a Portland faggot. You probably feel tough sneaking up on a small woman from behind with six of your soyboy oaks to back you up, right faggot?

      Don’t ever crawl out from under you Portland rock. You will likely be ended if you do so.

      1. Portland is better than whatever backwards, rural shithole you live in kid.

        Fuck off traitor

        1. “Portland is better than whatever backwards, rural shithole you live in kid.”

          Portland is the asshole of the universe, and you are the turd trying to get out.
          There must be worse steaming piles of lefty shit than you, but even Tony doesn’t match your abysmal stupidity.
          Fuck off and get some one decent to show you how to commit suicide, asshole.

  11. I expect Chauvin will be acquitted of the most serious charges, which will be enough to set the mobs off.

  12. He was a crook.

    The cop should have cuffed him and left him.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    1. Left him to focus on exterminating some Jews, right Misek?

  13. Derek Chauvin will be found not guilty of all the serious charges.
    Floyd OD’d on Fenytol and Chauvin was simply following police procedure with his knee on Floyd’s neck. Just wait and see.

    1. People ODing on Fentanyl typically don’t scream “I can’t breathe” and “mama.”

      Fascist

      1. How many fentanyl ODs have you personally observed faggot?

        1. Well, if he’s from Portland, he’s probably seen a *lot* of worthless Portlanders OD on opioids.

          1. Not nearly enough… no matter the number.

      2. Sure they do. Especially when they are getting arrested or they are shot by a rival. They never shut their pie hole. When was the last time you saw a denizen of the ghetto go quietly? It never happens.

    2. The jury will see the police training videos showing exactly that. They will also see the autopsy result showing no sign of strangulation or asphyxiation. I really don’t see how the state gets a murder conviction.

      1. What do we know about the jury? As preferential as jury trial is to just about any other method, it’s still flawed. Juries are composed of normal people, and normal people are dumb as rocks. Emotional animals in every way. It might be a hung jury, but a conviction seems very plausible to me.

        1. There’s a saying among lawyers that an innocent person should want to be tried by a judge, and that a guilty person should want to be tried by a jury. Juries are more easily fooled than judges.

        2. “Juries are composed of normal people, and normal people are dumb as rocks. Emotional animals in every way.”

          So are politicians, judges and lawyers. Don’t let the fancy robes and wigs fool you.

          1. CBS News said today that 80% of jurors decide their cases during the opening statements.

            That’s before any evidence is actually presented.

            1. Politicians, judges and lawyers are probably in the same boat. That’s why we call them show trials.

        3. The jury is disproportionately young and minority (compared to the general Minneapolis jury pool).

          Several jurors indicated that they thought Chauvin was guilty, but said they could set this aside and fairly judge him based on the evidence presented at trial.

          This is a hanging jury.

      2. If the defense can produce a training video where an officer has his knee on a cuffed suspect’s neck for over nine minutes as the suspect says he can’t breathe (the last two minutes after the suspect no longer has a pulse) I say you have to acquit.

  14. Thanks again Nancy. I really enjoy your reporting.

  15. There are ‘libertarians’ here who want to defend the murder of George Floyd by police officers.

    We all saw it.

    Heh.

    1. there are libertarians who believe in innocent until proven guilty…and libertarians who know narratives can be wrong..murders of innocents broken down by the type of the killers is apparently dangerous to the “narrative”..look up Lucia Bremer or John Weeds or what occured in Rochester NY recently…if we are going to discuss violence by folks its time to talk about all of it

    2. There are “Libertarians” on here that think that George Floyd was “murdered”.
      Is it Libertarian to ignore the evidence and side with the animals that only want to loot and burn?

  16. If police were trained to reduce the harm of personal drug use to public health and safety, as opposed to punishing drug users simply for being on drugs, this whole horrible episode could have been avoided.

    1. “If police were trained to reduce the harm of personal drug use to public health and safety”.

      What are they going to do, require a medical degree to be a cop? Have you seen the recruiting numbers in big cities lately? How can they “reduce the harm” that a junkie is doing to himself? Have you dealt with junkies? Have you seen what they do to their families and the people that have to live around them? Junkies suck the life out of their families and communities. They are nothing but a drain. I have only seen one make it to sober, his parents were rich and now they are not.

      Question: What kills almost all Junkies?
      Answer: It is time.

  17. Meanwhile…Lucia Bremer 13 years old is shot to death by a 14 year old and there is no media coverage. John Weed 57 punched in the head and dies in Maryland and the two 16 year olds are given probation by the judge, a muslim immigrant uber driver is car jacked by two DC teens and dies (while National Guard troops watch as he dies on the pavement and the teen asks to get her phone back from the stolen car) and let’s not forget the German American mentally disabled man in Rochester NY set on fire and burns to death by two teens. If the skin color of the victims was different the media would point as more evidence of how racist America is..hard to believe even Reason is not covering this..we do have a problem in America …oh but I can’t say that can I?

    1. Free countries have crime. The focus of a libertarian publication is, and always ought to be, the abuses of government and not those of individuals. Those who have zero tolerance for any crime might find North Korea appealing….

      1. Reason spent the last 4 years pimping FBI bullshit, even after it was proven to be completely fictional, and promoting the State directed covid narrative, justifying the rejection of inherent civil rights.
        The State is currently pushing Critical Race Theory and Social “Justice” and Reason enthusiastically follows.

      2. Free countries have crime.

        It’s true, they do. Not on anything like the scale of crime in unfree countries, though.

        -jcr

  18. CNN propaganda continues space tonight. They of course have wall to wall coverage… Trial coverage made them what they are today.

    But tonight they brought on a legal expert to talk about the case. Supposedly an expert in police use of force.

    Interviewer says “The defense will claim that this hold was part of his training”

    Our expert responds “I am not aware of any training anywhere that teaches this technique…”

    He goes on for a couple of minutes explaining that this is a slam dunk and there are no experts that would ever testify that using your knee is a legitimate use of force.

    This is dangerous stuff.

    As everyone here knows, this technique is in the Minneapolis training manual. There was even a case a year or two ago where an officer was acquitted of using excessive force after using this hold for 18 minutes.

    This isn’t something new if you are a college professor who works in this area of law. It isn’t new if you are a law enforcement reform activist.

    So he is lying. It isn’t an error. It can’t be. You cannot be a casual observer of just this case and not know this. But CNN put him on to tell the lie.

    Now what happens? What if the jury says they cannot convict beyond a reasonable doubt because the dude was following the training manual? How will CNN viewers react?

    These people are dangerous… they are playing with fire. People are going to get hurt. And if places like Reason won’t stand up to them, even more people will get hurt.

    1. >As everyone here knows, this technique is in the Minneapolis training manual. There was even a case a year or two ago where an officer was acquitted of using excessive force after using this hold for 18 minutes.

      Maybe that’s why they are resorting to rioting. Police training manuals don’t get to override law, and the courts were acting as if they did. Pity it took someone dying on camera for the public outrage to force a serious examination of the policy.

      1. A serious examination of the policy should happen outside a fucking criminal court. The manual is not on trial here.

        1. Therein lies the problem. If laws and policies are not changed then riots will logically ensue.

          1. Laws and policies are very different things.

            Which laws would you change and how?

    2. Reason folded as soon as Trump was elected. Since the pandemic, most of the writers here are basically the quirky libertarian writing for the Washington Post (the WaPo’s version of libertarianism being little more than lefty-light).

      I listen to the Roundtable every week. Yesterday’s show – hosted by pseudo-libertarian Peter Sudermann and guest-starring ENB – almost made me throw up a couple times. I’m beyond grateful for Nick Gillespie, the only one willing to consider all sides of an issue. If Sudermann were a lawyer, he’d be the lawyer at Trump’s trial asking, “When did you stop killing people with Coronavirus?”

      The decline of reason magazine over the past year has been a huge disappointment.

      1. That round table was an abomination.

        They don’t even understand what the issues are that they are discussing. They start from a basis of DNC talking points or a New York Times article summary and then layer the discussion on top of that.

      2. The Cato Daily podcast. Listen daily.

    3. “even more people will get hurt.”

      I don’t think CNN is getting hurt. You claim that they are giving wall to wall coverage of the trial. That means good for ratings, good for ad revenue. The opposite of hurting.

      1. CNN is almost as dead as most democrat voters in Georgia. Their ratings are on life support.

        1. Maybe that’s why they are giving the trial wall to wall coverage?

  19. This trial scares the fuck out of me. I don’t think there’s sufficient evidence for murder, and given the drugs in Floyd’s system, the defense has a strong case. Cause of death should be crucial in any murder trial, but here it won’t matter. It’s the OJ verdict x 10. Our criminal justice system is being held hostage, and that’s a terrifying precedent. Normally I hope like mad to be chosen for a jury, but I would want out of this one. If they acquit, the individual jurors will be at risk.

    Am I disgusted by what Derek Chauvin did? Yes. Was it murder according to the law? I don’t think so, no. I’m disgusted by decisions made by the powers-that-be in social media, but I have to acknowledge there isn’t a Constitutional problem.

    Welcome to mob rule, a government of men rather than of laws. A country where nobody in their right mind would choose to be a police officer. A country that sees the criminal justice system as potential vengeance for centuries of wrongs committed by people who are long dead.

    Chauvin deserves a fair trial. That isn’t an option. And all the people there just for the trial are essentially saying, “Nice little city you have here. Would be a shame if anything happened to it.”

    1. “Chauvin deserves a fair trial. That isn’t an option. ”

      Best option would have been Chauvin’s suicide. His insistence on participating in this show trial does nobody any good. He should have taken responsibility for his actions and taken the courageous way out,

      1. Well that’s ugly.

        1. A civil servant doing the honorable thing is not ugly. Chauvin’s intentionally dragging through the mud the city that has employed him and provided him with a generous livelihood is the mark of a coward and an ingrate.

          1. Advocating suicide as the courageous way out after a mistake is really, truly ugly. Disgusting even. I’m not ready to revive or implement hari kari, which is what you are proposing.

            1. Some mistakes are even uglier. Chauvin killed a member of the public it was his duty to protect.

              1. You’ve always been a terrible person; thanks for proving it.

                1. ” thanks for proving it”

                  I’d find your proof more convincing if, for example, you had video of me strangling someone in the street.

              2. Sounds like suppuku is in your list of possible options, as a means of saving face. Let us know when you decide to do that; maybe post a video of your bloody entrails falling onto the floor.

                1. “Sounds like suppuku is in your list of possible options”

                  That’s unnecessarily dramatic and painful. There are many ways Chauvin could atone for his error with dignity and humility.

      2. I hope someday you are accused of a crime. Then when you choose to defend yourself – which is a Constitutional right – can be categorized as your insistence on participating in a show trial.

        1. I want no part of any show trial. I don’t understand what you would hope to gain by participating in one.

      3. Best option would have been George Floyd not committing crimes that day.

        1. Innocent until proven guilty. That’s not a judgement we leave to police. Their role is to bring the suspect before the court. Not strangle them in the street.

  20. I’d like to know how many times this technique has been used by police and the corresponding number of times it has been fatal. I expect the percentage of fatal encounters with this technique to be vanishingly small. If it isn’t, then the police department should have changed their guidance.

    1. ” If it isn’t, then the police department should have changed their guidance.”

      Police should have learned from the situation in Ferguson Missouri back in the Obama years that gassing crowds of people gathered to demonstrate and mourn the loss of one of their own at the hands of police would lead to an escalation of trouble.

      1. Nice attempt at diversion! Calling your straw man. Floyd’s death didn’t involve tear gas. I said nothing about tear gas.

        Feel free to reply if you want to address my actual point.

        1. “I said nothing about tear gas. ”

          That’s why I brought it up. It was heavy handed police tactics used against crowds that escalated the situation in Minneapolis, just as in Ferguson. The question of choking and the victim’s personal failings etc is the diversion.

          1. My question was narrow and specific. And personal failings are not relevant, but medical science is. If Floyd was addicted to drugs, I don’t see that as a personal failing.

            You brought up tear gas because you are more comfortable discussing that and talking about why the uprisings were justified.

            Floyd was not choked to death. If he was high on drugs that damaged his lungs and ultimately caused his death, that’s relevant. What people did after the event has no bearing on Chauvin’s actions, which should (and must) be the only focus of the trial.

            If this technique does, in fact, regularly result in serious physical harm, then the PD bears responsibility for continuing to allow its use. I’m open to discovering that significant health issues result from this technique. Again, I’m asking a narrow and specific question. Tear gas has nothing to do with the efficacy or danger of this kneeling technique.

            I get it – cognitive dissonance is painful. You want to avoid it. So rather than address whether or not the tactic employed by Chauvin regularly causes serious physical harm, you jumped to broad denunciation of tear gas. Stay where you’re comfortable, honey. Those who wish to think and are willing to look at the facts will have a separate conversation.

            1. I think this tactic has been abandoned in most jurisdictions, as has the somewhat similar chokehold.

              For some reason a progressive stronghold like Minneapolis persisted with the tactic.

            2. That’s trueman; an idiot who posts here in the hopes someone makes the mistake of clicking on his name and thereby doubling the number of hits he gets.
              He is full of shit, incapable of supporting his idiotic claims, starting years ago, claiming Ukrainians were Nazi corroborators.
              Never since supported a single one of his bullshit claims.
              trueman? Fuck off and die, you pathetic piece of shit.

              1. “He is full of shit, incapable of supporting his idiotic claims, starting years ago, claiming Ukrainians were Nazi corroborators.”

                Have you read the Gulag Archipelago? The author expresses surprise that even more Ukrainians didn’t collaborate with the Nazis, given their relatively liberal policies on religious freedom. (Nazis re-opened churches closed by the Bolsheviks as they occupied Soviet territory.)

                1. “…The author expresses surprise that even more Ukrainians didn’t collaborate with the Nazis, given their relatively liberal policies on religious freedom…”

                  So what?

              2. I lived in the Ukraine. I visited Babyr. Are you saying that the Ukrainians didn’t corroborate with the Germans? The people manning the machieguns at Babyr were Ukrainians. The Germans were spectating.

                1. No; I misstated the bullshitter’s claim. All the nations under the USSR’s boot collaborated to some extent or the other since most hated the Russians
                  He claimed they were the nation with the highest number of collaborators, and when asked to provide a cite, I got nothing.
                  His claims are never supported by evidence.

                  1. “He claimed they were the nation with the highest number of collaborators, and when asked to provide a cite, I got nothing.”

                    I never claimed that. I never claimed that Ukrainians hated Russians, either. If anything they hated the Communists. They were predominantly Socialists and eschewed nationalist bigotry.

            3. I disagree. The turmoil last spring in Minneapolis was sparked by a heavy handed reaction of the police to demonstrators. If that justifies uprisings in your eyes, fine, but it’s not really relevant, either.

              “Floyd was not choked to death.”

              None of this is relevant. The chaos ensued after the heavy handed reaction of the police against the people gathered to demonstrate and mourn Floyd. Whether he was choked or not changes none of this. It’s a diversion, as you earlier said.

              1. There was no heavy-handed police action before the initial rioting in Ferguson.

                You’re either a moron or a liar.

                1. Gassing a crowd of demonstrators is heavy handed.

                  1. That didn’t happen before the initial rioting in Ferguson.

          2. No it wasn’t. There weren’t heavy-handed tactics used anywhere in either case. That’s just flat out stupid.

            1. Gassing people is heavy handed. It’s even banned by the Geneva Convention.

      2. I personally cleaned up after riots in Ferguson – twice.

        You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

        Liar.

        1. “I personally cleaned up after riots in Ferguson – twice.”

          I doubly admire your civic mindedness.

    2. I suspect the defense will raise this issue. From what I have read about the judge he will give fair instructions on just how much it should be considered.

      On the other hand I also expect an appeal given the pressure on the jury to convict to avoid more mostly peaceful riots. While I have no great love for most reason writers I do think this article is spot on about the impossibility of finding an impartial jury.

      1. “I have no great love for most reason writers”

        Nancy is actually one of the best – also not on staff officially.

  21. Hey, speaking of poor over-worked and untrained MPD officers, did anyone ever figure out who the “Light em up” idiots were? You know, the ones with the APC shouting illegal orders and illegally assaulting residents who were legally on their porch several blocks away from any actual rioting last May? Cuz the national guard claims they weren’t even there yet. No? Did we all forget about that one? Because to be honest I’m far more concerned about a group of people with military gear, armed and paid by the state attacking people illegally to get what they want than a bunch of black-clad soy boys attacking people illegally to get what they want. I’m fine to prosecute both groups, but it seems like we ought to at least know who the criminals in the police department are by now.

    1. They have the same bosses, but sure, feed them more power.

  22. Get To Da Chippah
    March.30.2021 at 6:10 pm
    “Jesse, if I strangle you, and the coroner later finds out you were hours away from a massive heart attack, does that alter or mitigate the fact that I strangled you? I would think not.”

    I do not claim this is what happened, but if it did, well, unless someone can offer an opinion which better defines the issue here, it seems we have the answer.
    THX.

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  25. “The next day [May 29], 300 troops were deployed to the state Capitol to, to defend it from no one. There were National Guard and armored vehicles on a completely empty lawn, protecting the governor’s office from an empty square. The media showed up, took pictures, and left; the governor issued a tough-sounding press release. Meanwhile, they could see the smoke columns rising over Minneapolis in the distance. It was a complete failure of leadership and massive misuse of resources.”

    Tells you who they really care about. The small business owners having their livelihoods destroyed by a bunch of assholes chimping out? The people losing their homes? Nope. Fuck those people, we gotta protect the State Capitol Cathedral and the governor divinely chosen King!

    1. Indeed. The capitol building isn’t even *in* Minneapolis; it’s in St. Paul. On a hill, surrounded by acres of grass.

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