Bill de Blasio

Bill de Blasio Says the NYPD Should Warn People Not To Be Haters

"If someone has done something wrong, but not rising to a criminal level, it's perfectly appropriate for an NYPD officer to talk to them."

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In a press conference today, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio suggested that one way to combat anti-Asian hate would be for the New York Police Department to warn people not to be hateful.

"Even if something is not a criminal case, a perpetrator being confronted by the city, whether it's NYPD or another agency, and being told that what they've done was very hurtful to another person and could have ever repeated lead to criminal charges, that's another important piece of the puzzle," said de Blasio. "One of the things officers are trained to do is to give warnings. If someone has done something wrong, but not rising to a criminal level, it's perfectly appropriate for an NYPD officer to talk to them, to say that was not appropriate."

As de Blasio appeared to recognize, merely expressing hateful speech is not a crime. Hate speech is in fact protected by the First Amendment. For something to count as a hate crime, there must be underlying illegal behavior, such as assault or vandalism.

It is thus a very bad idea for the NYPD to go around sternly lecturing people who may have engaged in hateful conduct that is not actually illegal. For one thing, this straightforwardly violates people's civil liberties: Unless you're committing a crime, your actions are no business of the government's.

Beyond that, there's always a risk that routine interactions between cops and citizens will escalate into something life-threatening. Give cops more reasons to knock on people's doors and bother them, and you increase the chances of a bad encounter. This was a central theme of last year's protests against abusive policing. De Blasio's plan for combatting racism hinges on doing the exact opposite of what Black Lives Matter and other anti-racist groups have been urging.

Cops' time is better spent investigating violent crime than warning people not to be haters. Someone should explain to de Blasio that there's not always a great deal of trust between cops and the communities they serve, and that his proposal is likely to worsen the problem.

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  1. “If someone has done something wrong, but not rising to a criminal level, it’s perfectly appropriate for an NYPD officer to talk to them.”

    When will the police be taking to Cuomo and de Blasio?

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    1. And if they do, maybe we could get lucky and the whole thing could escalate to both of those fuckers being Eric Garnered.

  2. Creepy asshole.

    1. “Creepy asshole.”
      ^ Very pithily ACCURATE! ^

      “May God prevent us from becoming ‘right-thinking men’ — that is to say, men who agree perfectly with their own police.” ~ Thomas Merton

      1. ^” TDS-addled shit”^

  3. We’re still defunding the police, right?

    1. Depends on what you mean by “defunding”.

    2. That bullshit dried up faster than even I thought it would.

      1. It’s sticking around the northwest, I think, and it’ll be a disaster. I’m a notorious cop-critic, yet I always thought that was a non-starter. Not that there aren’t some police programs that deserve defunding, but we all know what a wreck trying to implement that would be, especially considering the crowd pushing it.

  4. “Unless you’re committing a crime, your actions are no business of the government’s.”

    This is terribly naive. But very libertarian.

    1. If the case was that police should do this with minors, then finer. Police should probably stand up for whatever value they represent to the community.

      But to involve an adult needlessly, and particularly without soliciting the detainee for such lecture to take place — no way. Although a lecture may be made on legit grounds for detainment in exchange for a favor, such as overlooking a minor infraction.

      However, we’ve got to ask, what authority does the LEO have? What makes such a man’s opinion valuable who has no qualms about using his power over a man to attempt to compel with a pre-legally-ordained lecture?

      I don’t think the officer has any value that is not solicited in some natural course of trade in information. A nation of free traders rightly includes such transactions necessary & compulsory for any LEO to engage detainment for attempting. Anyone acting under right may do well to remain silent, realizing little choice and — perhaps importantly — wanting no opportune provocation from fate.

      A good LEO, perhaps, would come off like a salesperson for justice looking for a rational connection to the merchandise of justice there in the transactional phase with any escapist who has not commited a known crime but who may rightly be detained.

    2. “This is terribly naive.”
      Your cites or even wild-ass guesses to support that claim seem to have gone missing.
      Can we assume you are full of shit?

  5. And then when the cop is told to go pound sand, or worse, it turns into something that might escalate. Great thinking there. More interactions with cops for no reason.

    1. As long as the officer makes it home safe, that’s all that counts.

      1. From the union’s mouth to God’s ears.

    2. Absolutely this.

  6. I agree with most of this but ultimately the solution is to gradually reduce funding to the police. Otherwise as we make progress with decriminalization (drugs, guns, sex, etc) they will find new things to criminalize and new problems to stir up (like this). Whereas with a reduced budget there will be fewer police and fewer opportunities to get in trouble and they will have to prioritize. Ultimately we must recognize that we’re all grown up now and don’t need to be patrolled and controlled any more.

    1. Now do Facebook.

      1. Zuck should fund resort colonies for his worker drones so they can retire and stop making trouble for everyone.

    2. I’m on board if it’s gradual and focuses on programs that shouldn’t exist first anyways (like federal-local drug taskforces). But my concern is that A) the police will take any budget cuts and shift the money from important tasks and into lucrative tasks first, and B) you’re creating more incentive for policing for profit. Profit motives must be removed first, and we must maintain enough funding for quality applicants and accountability programs, too.

      Honestly though, without a thorough top-to-bottom rebuild, I doubt any funding-based initiative will be able to penetrate the bureaucratic dystopia that is the modern justice system.

    3. Cops don’t criminalize anything. Politicians do that. Defund politicians.

  7. Naturally, the next step is pass a law making it a criminal offense for any “not-a-criminal-perpetrator” to politely tell the cops to fuck off, suck a dick, and mind their own business. Only a smart East Coast liberal could be entrusted to come up with a scheme so palpably stupid and decidedly illiberal.

    1. “Only a smart East Coast liberal could be entrusted to come up with a scheme so palpably stupid and decidedly illiberal.”

      Don’t bet on it. California politicians, though arguably less intelligent, and more illiberal, have to learn from somebody.

  8. hello kettle, it’s pot …

    >>warn people not to be hateful

    there’s the violence inherent in the system.

  9. Yo….this is DeBlasio we are talking about = Only a smart East Coast liberal could be entrusted to come up with a scheme so palpably stupid and decidedly illiberal.

    DeBlasio makes those palpably stupid people look like Einstein.

    1. And he’ll still get the nomination with ease and be re-elected in a landslide.

    2. XY, did you see the articles about a journalist threatening Van Drew?

      Jeff Van Drew Says Newspaper Columnist Left Threats

      “I would swear to your demise as a politician and I believe that you personally are a degenerate,” the transcript read. “As a member of the New Jersey Press Association, I will do everything in my power to ensure that you are deposed if not dead. Anything I can do to basically get you out of office, I will do. You are a traitor Jeff Van Drew and you deserve the fate of all traitors.”

      1. I guess we now know who KillAllRednecks is.

        1. the guy who Joseph Smith cucked?

      2. I did see that, Unicorn. No shit, much earlier today I rubbed my eyes and cleaned my glasses because I seriously thought I was not reading the articles correctly. Mind blowing.

        No consequence at all for John McCall of the Ocean City Sentinel.

  10. Hey Bill, you said the quiet part out loud, again. You are not supposed to let it slip that the entire purpose of the police is to cow all individual private citizens into one homogeneous mass obedient to government in every thought and action.

    1. Hey, TDS-addled shit! You got what you wanted!

  11. If someone has done something wrong, but not rising to a criminal level, THEN THEY HAVEN’T DONE SOMETHING WRONG.it’s perfectly appropriate for an NYPD officer to talk to them, to say that was not appropriate.

  12. being told that what they’ve done was very hurtful to another person and could have ever repeated lead to criminal charges

    W.T.F? If what is done once is not a crime, why is doing it twice a crime? Sheesh, even bigamy’s being decriminalized these days.

    1. Cops are going to issue “time outs” now?

      1. Go sit on the corner! 🙂

        1. Loitering! Disturbing the peace!

  13. Someone should explain to de Blasio that there’s not always a great deal of trust between cops and the communities they serve, and that his proposal is likely to worsen the problem.

    Don’t be silly – De Blasio isn’t suggesting that the cops should go out and talk to everybody, just the white people. White people are no threat to attack cops.

  14. “De Blasio’s plan for combatting racism hinges on doing the exact opposite of what Black Lives Matter and other anti-racist groups have been urging.”

    You make it sound good.

    But it’s not.

    Just to be clear, BLM is a racist group, not an anti-racist group. If they disagree with Blasio, it would only be because they want the right to hate on Asian shopowners.

  15. Rochester NY…two black teens douse a white mentally ill man with gas and burn him to death. Media barely covers the story..obvious hate crime yet….doesn’t fit the narrative…

    1. Why would the media give a single solitary fuck about a white man being killed by a couple of ghetto-fabulous hood rats? They don’t give a shit about any of the other white people killed by blacks, why would they make a stink about this?

      1. They don’t seem all that interested in blacks killing blacks either, beyond conflating the numbers with crying about “an epidemic of violence”; got to fit the narrative du jour if it wants to see the light of day.

  16. Warren Wilhelm needs to worry more about his crusty-ass ‘ho of a daughter than whether Archie Bunker in Queens is practicing wrongthink.

  17. Ya this is a bad idea. It won’t change anyone’s mind. It won’t stop any violence. Heck it might increase violence as fringe extremists take it as proof that the government is targeting them for thought crimes… which it kinda is.

    1. fringe extremists [might] take it as proof that the government is targeting them for thought crimes… which it kinda is.

      Cops show up at your door if you say something “hateful”? You bet it is!

  18. “Even if something is not a criminal case, a perpetrator being confronted by the city, whether it’s NYPD or another agency, and being told that what they’ve done was very hurtful to another person and could have ever repeated lead to criminal charges, that’s another important piece of the puzzle,” said de Blasio…

    I’m not willing to get doxed here, but you’d think one of the Reason “editors” would be willing to dial up the NYPD and suggest that DeBlasio has overstepped A1 and might well be subject to charges.

  19. I really miss the Mayor from Ghostbusters 2. He knew how to run New York. “Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker’s God-given right!”

  20. “…and being told that what they’ve done was very hurtful to another person and could have ever repeated lead to criminal charges…”

    English. Speak it, motherfucker.

  21. Cuomo and DeBlasio; let’s just say the NY[C] deserves the government it voted for, and will no doubt continue to vote for.

    By the way, my $ is on Cuomo, having stated his position, will hunker down and weather this out. I expect a fourth term at the very least, because the fools will decide he’s more right than wrong [60/40?], at least by their standards. And those old people were going to die anyway.

  22. “”Unless you’re committing a crime, your actions are no business of the government’s.””

    That’s so 20th century. All of your actions are government business now.

  23. DeBlasio is the quintessential liberal progressive. This is how they think. It’s similar to a psychological defect or maybe some sort of childhood trauma.
    New York City is in a shambles, it’s crime rate has gone up along with a 75% increase in homicides, stores are closed and people are out of work thanks to idiots like DeBlasio and all he can come up with is for cops wasting their time and taxpayer’s money to lecture people about hate speech, which by the way is protected by the First Amendment.
    But this is what we’ve come to expect from liberal progressives. One only has to guess what’s coming next. Maybe a city wide “Woke Squad” to make sure the peon’s utterances are politically correct, or maybe a gender reassignment regiment to make sure people use the correct pronoun ( of which there are 57 of them in N.Y. City) or else.
    The horror of it all is that this is going to spread everywhere else and there will be no escaping it, at least if you live in the cities.
    Portland is next, followed by Minneapolis, then Seattle, San Fran and L.A.
    Soon we will asked to snitch on those who dare to utter such disagreeable speech….sorta like if you see something, say something. Only this time it’s if you hear something, say something.
    You’ve been warned.
    Plan your escape now and say nothing to anybody lest the authorities find out.
    You know what will happen then. Too awful to even contemplate.
    This buffoon needs to be removed and never allowed anywhere near any sort of authority.
    Time for the people of that city to start a petition. ( hate speech alert!)

  24. “ Even if something is not a criminal case, a perpetrator being confronted by the city, whether it’s NYPD or another agency, and being told that what they’ve done was very hurtful to another person and could have ever repeated lead to criminal charges,”

    Isn’t this a contradiction?

    If it’s not a criminal case, how could doing it again make it one?

  25. Free speech is an inalienable right, your feelings aren’t.

    Why are we letting these traitors put your feelings ahead of our constitutional rights?

  26. We have a constitutional right to hate whoever we want, as long as we don’t break the law. What do you propose? Threaten folks with prison, or hold a gun to their head to force people to love everyone?
    Love them at the barrel of a gun?
    This is why nuclear weapons are the most valuable thing on earth! Get some, or get run the fuck over.

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