Coronavirus

Are Americans Insufficiently Alarmed by COVID-19?

Press coverage of the pandemic tends to exaggerate risk and ignore encouraging information.

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Last month researchers in Texas estimated that nearly 5 million of the state's residents had been infected by the COVID-19 virus—more than four times as many as the official tally of confirmed cases suggested. Although the gap implied that the virus was much less deadly than people initially feared, the Houston Chronicle framed the prevalence estimate as bad news.

That choice reflects a broader pattern in American press coverage of the pandemic, which tends to accentuate the negative, exaggerate risk, and ignore encouraging information. The result is not just depressing but misleading and potentially counterproductive as Americans are told to keep up their guard against the virus during the winter they will have to get through before vaccines are widely available.

Based on an analysis of news stories about COVID-19 that appeared from January 1 through July 31, Dartmouth economist Bruce Sacerdote and two other researchers found that 91 percent of the coverage by major U.S. media outlets was "negative in tone." The rate was substantially lower in leading scientific journals (65 percent) and foreign news sources (54 percent).

Sacerdote and his co-authors, who report their results in a working paper recently published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, found that stories about increases in newly identified infections far outnumbered stories about decreases, "even when caseloads were falling nationally." Coverage of school reopenings likewise was "overwhelmingly negative, while the scientific literature tells a more optimistic story," indicating that "schools have not become the super-spreaders many feared."

This unrelenting, indiscriminate negativity fosters suspicion and resistance. Journalists and politicians who repeatedly cry wolf should not be surprised at the lack of cooperation when the beast actually appears.

Last May, The New York Times warned that lifting state lockdowns could raise nationwide COVID-19 deaths above 3,000 a day by June 1. The actual number was about 700.

Since mid-October, the seven-day average of daily deaths has more than tripled, exceeding the record set in April. But that reality still falls short of the false prophecy embraced by the Times.

Notwithstanding the constant state of COVID-19 anxiety promoted by the news media and the government, Elisabeth Rosenthal thinks Americans are not alarmed enough. Rosenthal, a former E.R. physician and New York Times reporter who is now editor in chief of Kaiser Health News, recommends graphic public service announcements aimed at shocking people into complying with COVID-19 precautions, modeled after anti-smoking ads featuring patients with tracheostomies and dying actors with lung cancer.

"It's time to make people scared and uncomfortable," Rosenthal writes in the Times. "It's time for some sharp, focused, terrifying realism."

Rosenthal suggests ads featuring COVID-19 patients struggling on ventilators or lying, "eyes wide with fear," in ICU beds, which would show "what can happen with the virus." But the "realism" of that approach is dubious, since those outcomes are hardly typical.

The vast majority of people infected by the coronavirus do not have symptoms serious enough to require hospitalization, let alone ICU care or ventilators. Rosenthal dismisses that point, saying "most longtime smokers don't end up with lung cancer—or tethered to an oxygen tank—either."

That's a pretty sloppy comparison given the enormous difference between these two health risks. Epidemiological research indicates that somewhere between one-third and two-thirds of cigarette smokers will die prematurely because of their habit.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, by contrast, less than 1 percent of Americans infected by the COVID-19 virus will die as a result. The estimated infection fatality rate varies widely by age, ranging from 0.003 percent among people 19 or younger to 5.4 percent among people in their 70s.

"I'm not talking fear-mongering," Rosenthal insists, even as she ignores the age distribution of COVID-19 deaths and likens the risk from the coronavirus to the risk from smoking, which may be two orders of magnitude higher. Whatever you call this strategy, it should not be confused with the honesty that Americans deserve.

© Copyright 2020 by Creators Syndicate Inc.

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  1. Elisabeth Rosenthal thinks Americans are not alarmed enough. Rosenthal, a former E.R. physician and New York Times reporter who is now editor in chief of Kaiser Health News, recommends graphic public service announcements aimed at shocking people into complying with COVID-19 precautions, modeled after anti-smoking ads featuring patients with tracheostomies and dying actors with lung cancer.

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  2. Georgia has no mask or social distancing mandates. Schools and businesses are open.

    Georgians are doing great.

    You poor pussies who are scared of the coof.

    1. If only unreason did an article about the real threat to America – Fifth columnists who want America to burn.

      unreason has first hand knowledge about subversion, communist propaganda, treason, and using freedoms to sabotage a free nation.

      1. But then who would host the trendy D.C cocktail parties?

  3. “It’s time for some sharp, focused, terrifying realism.”

    I see Michael Bay style ads, opening with a white-coated doctor running down a long hallway, chased by increasingly bigger explosions.

    1. Indiana Jones running down the tunnel, chased by a great big COVID-19 ball.

      1. LOVE IT

    2. I am SO SO SO on board with this. Is Michael Bay available?

      1. The Millenium Falcon coming out of warp speed and seeing the giant COVID-19 ball, and saying, “That’s no moon…”

    3. This drama certainly sounds so much more worthy than actual “terrifying realism”… that the public has been being punked for a hella long time now, children have been left with psychological scars, opioid deaths are dramatically up, families have suffered loss of decades of work and savings, and there is now an increase in national debt that dwarfs the previous 250 years combined, all without accomplishing a damn thing towards virus eradication.

      On the flipside, kudos to the old folks, many who would have died in less than a year anyways, as they have unwillingly croaked for the sake of increased numbers that can be generalized to the population to turn panic and fear into compliance. Proof that the pied piper syndrome is so powerful that even killing grandma won’t cause people to lose step, but actually causes them to march with more vigor.

  4. Yes we know what they are on about. Nobody is fooled except those who wish to be.

    Also I find it strange that in one breath they wish to save lives and in another they hope their political enemies catch a disease.

    1. You find that “strange”? It is the universal modus operandi of the “New Journalists” and the woke left. Double standards, moral inconsistency, and ‘principles’ of such flexibility they could stand in for “arbitrary expressions of hatred”.

      I long for a day when “journalists” also find such hypocrisy strange, instead of “a weekday”.

      1. I think you have described the human species. Though much of the nasty, manipulative, tribal behavior predates us (see chimpanzees).

        1. We’re actually quite domesticated, compared to the wild chimpanzee. We can actually queue in line with strangers from other tribes without descending into bloodshed.

          Most of the commentariat is thoroughly disgusted with this, and secretly wish they could wantonly attack members of other tribes standing in line with them. Politics, in fact, a remnant of our undomesticated past. Let’s all non-violently decided how we will commit violence against other tribes. Choose chief, demand chief war upon those not like us. Lather, rinse, repeat every two to four years.

          1. Government is what we do to other people.

          2. “We can actually queue in line with strangers from other tribes”

            you may want to travel to some non-anglo-influenced regions, try to queue in line, and reassess that statement.

            1. Yes, the Poles can’t queue at all. I discovered this once. But they still seem to be able to exist with an Estonia in their midst without committing violence. Ditto for every other non-Anglo region, with the exception of North Sentinel Island and that place where all the British schoolboys washed up on.

            2. C’mon, wouldn’t want to burst brandy’s ignorant xenophilic

  5. Rosenthal has clearly found the easy, safe path to career advancement. Good for her, but I find such people vile. I mean, really, repulsively vile. Bad human beings.

    And yes, bitch, you absolutely are “talking about fear-mongering”.

  6. Stay at home stay safe and also follow the Coronavirus Disease (COVID 19) Guidelines according to WHO.

  7. Never forget that The Nanny State will take you for your own good, to make you safe and secure.

    1. Not too safe and secure, though. Prepare for a roller coaster emotional ride, orchestrated by masters of psy-ops.

  8. Holy Pearl Harbor Day, Mr. Sollum !

    On December 3rd ,2020 a week after many congregated, unmasked, to gobble down Thanksgiving as usual, America’s daily Covid death rate spiked past 2,800.

    The last time the nation saw so large a mortality surplus was September 11, 2001.

    It happened once , and as long as most of us persist in ignoring the need to stay as far apart as possible, it could happen any day from this day until the day most of us have been vaccinated.

    How many 9-11’s will it take for you to grasp the obvious consequences of ignoring Epedemiology 101?

    1. Social distancing is pretty easy when you walk around your entire life with a load of shit in your drawers, as most people are happy to avoid you.

    2. Well, spelling would help make you appear as serious as you think your message should be taken.

      Then there’s the matter that most COVID-19 deaths are with COVID-19, not from it, the average age at death is 80+ last I saw, and you would prefer to ignore and even hide those stats, wouldn’t you? Make them hate speech punishable by prison, I expect.

      Here, read this on Swedish deaths.

      There was another analysis showing that half of the Swedish COVID-19 deaths were actually people who would have died last winter if it had been a typical flu season, but being milder, fewer died from flu and died from COVID-19 this year.

      1. “Then there’s the matter that most COVID-19 deaths are with COVID-19, not from it”

        That is misinformation. You should read this. It is the CDC guideline for reporting COVID deaths. The full form is also available on their website. If the primary cause of death is COVID it is reported that way. The reports are very detailed.

        https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

        1. You just relish the warm embrace of propaganda that aligns with your own perspective, don’t you? Does it keep you comfy like a nice blanket?

          Because if you were actually an independent thinker, you would, perhaps, look at the infection/death rates in other countries and assess their guidelines and what it implies. And you would also realize that the CDC guidelines is not uniformly followed by the States, because it is a guideline, not a requirement.

        2. Admission: I did not read all of it.
          Statement: What I did read was chock-full of loop-holes large enough to let that proverbial Peterbilt through, and none of which was sufficient to prevent same. Care to offer evidence otherwise?

    3. After this shit is over, I hope people realize that epidemiology is about as much of a science as astrology or spoon bending.

      These guys make climate change models look reasonably accurate with their predictions.

      1. The thing is, there are epidemiologists trying to do good science. The problem is that the anointed “experts” aren’t.

      2. Thing is we are not talking about predictions. Tracking reported cases of anything is pretty straightforward.

        1. “Tracking reported cases of anything is pretty straightforward.”

          no, no it isn’t. What does “cases” mean? depending on the test and local reporting, it could mean anything from active infection to dead viral residues to bad test to repeat tests of the same person.

          There is nothing straightforward about “tracking reported cases”.

    4. Hey, retard, how many people in the Twin Towers or the Pentagon were over 70 with significant health issues and would have died in the next few years without a media panic?

      Fuck you.

      1. 92

        I just pulled that number out of my arse. Can I be on CNN now?

        1. Is your ass an anonymous source?

    5. On December 3rd ,2020 a week after many congregated, unmasked, to gobble down Thanksgiving as usual, America’s daily Covid death rate spiked past 2,800

      Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. COVID doesn’t kill within a week of exposure.

      The last time the nation saw so large a mortality surplus was September 11, 2001.

      Again, silly. Many of those 2,800 were statistically due to die that week anyway. Those aren’t surplus.

      COVID is a serious problem, but that doesn’t give you an excuse to be a dishonest moron about it.

    6. Wow – TWO false comparisons in one comment!

      Maybe the commercials the lady wants to make should feature footage of the Japanese dropping giant COVID-19 balls on Pearl Harbor. Or perhaps giant COVID balls flying into the WTC.

      To answer your question, I think 47 9/11s plus 18 Pearl Harbors should do it. We may need to consider adding in a few Vietnam wars just in case. The only thing stupider and more offensive would be to show the showers in the concentration camps spewing thousands of tiny COVID balls.

      Or – just spitballing here – we could avoid comparing things that are not remotely alike. We could stop suggesting that those who die of COVID are on par with those forced to choose between burning to death suddenly or jumping. (All joking aside, your comparison to 9/11 is offensive in the extreme. Not the same. At all.)

      1. Yeah, if you are going to look at it that way, why not look at all deaths that way. We have 1000 9-11s worth of death every year in the US. The horror.

        1. Yep. We’ve had almost 3 9/11’s just from the flu so far this year, too! And we have vaccines for that, and flu-specific treatments, and doctors and hospitals with decades of experience in treating flu. And yet thousands still die from it! The horror!

        2. Ya, and wait until these people hear that between 70 and 140 of those 9-11s were caused by doctors and nurses making “whoopsies.”

    7. “The last time the nation saw so large a mortality surplus was September 11, 2001.”

      Your cite re: “mortality surplus” seems to have gone missing, along with your supposed intelligence.
      Gonna tell us next about ‘food insecurity’; we all love a good laugh.

    8. Your premise that the Covid deaths are a “mortality surplus” is completely untrue.

  9. Press coverage of the pandemic tends to exaggerate risk and ignore encouraging information.

    Yeah, Reason’s Ron Bailey certainly hasn’t been peddling Covid hysteria or anything.

    Is Sullum the designated hypocritical fuckwad now or something? Jesus Christ. He’s putting out 5-6 articles per day now, each one worse than the last.

  10. Pretty sure we’re exactly as scared as we should be. Corona about doubles your chance of dying this year. If you weren’t worried about it before, don’t worry about it now.

    1. If I buy two lottery tickets the chances of winning are double that of a single ticket!

    2. .. doubles your chance of dying this year.
      I can’t even..

      1. Some retards are beyond help.

      2. if only

      3. This is what the data says. Most people have a very very very small chance of dying in a particular year. Double that is still a very very small number.

        Older people have a larger chance of dying this year. That chance is increased by a factor of two because of corona. Generally it’s STILL a very very small number.

        Once you get into the part of your life that your chance of dying is 10% or so, THAT’S when you need to worry about catching corona.

    3. COVID-19 only recently passed up heart disease as the leading cause of death this year. And heart disease is far from the only cause of death. So you made buttfact about doubling chances of dying is just a buttfact pulled from your butt.

      We do hear more about it, because it’s in the news (stop with your media addiction), but it hasn’t doubled your chance of dying. Doesn’t mean it’s not serious, but it does mean your odds of dying this year have not doubled.

      1. I believe it’s 20-30% more likely to die than you otherwise would be across all age groups.

        https://www.wsj.com/articles/group-most-likely-to-get-covid-19-is-least-likely-to-die-from-it-11602235802

        While the raw number of deaths caused by Covid-19 is low for ages 25 to 44, mortality has increased by around 25% this year compared with the previous five years, according to data provided by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

        “Even though it’s a relatively small number of deaths, it’s a big impact,” said Robert Anderson, chief of the mortality-statistics branch at the National Center for Health Statistics, a division of the CDC. “It’s an additional fourth of what’s normal.”

        According to data from the CDC, Americans who are 85 or older account for 30% of all deaths and 31% of Covid-19 losses. Those who are 75 to 84 years old make up 24% of all deaths and 26% of Covid-19 fatalities. And those who are 65 to 74 years old represent 20% of all deaths and 21% of coronavirus losses.

        “The percentages are remarkably close to how mortality affects the total population of each group,” Dr. Anderson said.

        “The percentages are remarkably close to how mortality affects the total population of each group,” Dr. Anderson said.

        1. Which is **NOT** twice as likely. But maybe I need Team Trump kalculator to do the proper maths.

      2. They really have. For most people that number starts out small and doubling it really doesn’t move the needle. It’s only when you get to the part of your life that you’ve got a decent chance to die that you have to worry about corona.

        I have a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying this year.
        Corona makes that 2 in 10,000.

        I am still not worried.

          1. The lyrics these pseudoskeptics sing recall a sad old tune:
            in their moral calculus, one death is a tragedy, but a hundred
            9-11’s are a statistic

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  12. As far as i know people are definitely going to stay inside for a long time now. Still vaccine is not available. People are definitely going to work from home for long time for sure. You better get yourself an office chair so that you can work comfortably.

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      1. Yup. Office chairs are rated on hours. Most office chairs people buy for the home are rated for like one or two hours. Good for playing video games, sucks for sitting in for eight hours.

        You don’t need a thousand dollar chair, but neither should you settle for a twenty five dollar chair.

        My mom got a twenty five dollar chair for her computer desk. Absolutely horrible. It’s not even worth the twenty five dollars. It’s barely good enough just to sit down long enough to write a check. I gave her my old four hour office chair.

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  13. The twitter blurb for that referenced Chron article literally was a lament of “lack of testing” because those unconfirmed cases were “going uncounted” and not being added to the big scary running total used to scare the public.

  14. I say we establish some national mandates for masks and social distancing and start publicly executing anybody caught violating the mandates, preferably by some shockingly horrible method like crucifixion or drawing and quartering, to put the fear of God in the peasantry, make them understand their duty is to obey and nothing else.

    1. NOW IS THE TIME TO DO AS YOU ARE TOLD.

    2. Bring back the guillotine!!

    3. Don’t worry, January 20th is just around the corner.

    4. I wonder how many of those people demanding longer lockdowns would feel if things were *really* locked down. Being able to run to the grocery store or Wal-Mart or picking up your favorite take-out…those are all ways and places where you can infect other or be infected, even if you’re wearing a mask.

      So I mean *really locked down*: no grocery stores, no Wal-Mart, no fast-food drive-throughs, no pizza delivery, no Uber-Eats or Door-Dash or whatever. No Amazon or Target online. No home delivery. No jogging, visiting a park, etc. You’ll stay in your house or else–MAYBE we’ll allow you to wander around in your own backyard (backyard only), if you have one.

      For food, what you’ll get is a government truck will deliver a box of food for one person to eat for a week, and drop off the boxes at your front doorstep based on the number of people in your household. Each week, you will be told to line your household up at the door, one at a time, so they can be counted; this will inform the number of food boxes dropped of at your house. An armed escort will accompany the delivery person to ensure that no one opens their doors while the delivery person is within 20 feet of the door. Don’t do that, because you could get shot. The delivery personnel and their guards will be in full MOPP gear.

      If someone in your house needs medical care, call 911 and an ambulance will be dispatched. People in full MOPP gear will pick up your sick loved one and take them away for treatment. If they live, you’ll see them again when they are returned to you house.

      The ONLY “essential” personnel will be those involved with treating COVID and for producing and delivering the food. These people will be issued uniforms and ID lanyards. So there’s no reason for anyone one else to ever venture outside of their house and anyone on the streets who is not in uniform obviously has no business being there, and will be subject to immediate detention in physical quarantine facilities. Or worse…failure to comply will be met with as much force as deemed necessary.

      Let them imagine a real lockdown for a few minutes then ask the question again. Bet the answer is different.

  15. Not to worry. On January 20, 2021, everything will magically get a lot better.

    1. Don’t be naive. The Harris administration has a very ambitious agenda that will require much blind obedience. A frightened public will forever be a compliant public.

    2. Democrats want to get people accustomed to the changes so they can force the GND to apply the same behaviors.

  16. “It’s time to make people scared and uncomfortable,” Rosenthal writes in the Times. “It’s time for some sharp, focused, terrifying realism.”

    “It’s time to sell some advertising.

  17. Yes and no

  18. That choice reflects a broader pattern in American press coverage of the pandemic, which tends to accentuate the negative, exaggerate risk, and ignore encouraging information.

    Gosh by golly Sullum….not that you did not ever do this in the last four years. Talk about extreme unawareness of self.

    1. Dunning-Kruger, or something.

  19. the problem is not the level of alarm, it is the distribution of that alarm……. some have far too much and want to burn the constitution and country down to stop it, and others can’t care enough to wear a mask. we have the appropriate amount of alarm, it is just not appropriately distributed.

    1. If you believe an old tee shirt wrapped around your face is going to save you from a virus, you aren’t thinking clearly.

      1. if you think covering your breathing holes has no impact on the transmission of a respiratory virus…. you might be a fucking retard.

        1. It isn’t no impact, it is virtually no impact. Statistical irrelevance. As shown by 40 years of research into it. The social distancing does more than the masks ever will.

          1. oh, i forgot….. a 46% improvement is “virtually nothing.” in a study that did not correct or even measure for multiple other factors like that it was done in the middle of a lock down….

            1. Is this the hamster study where there were like tens of other factors that weren’t taken into consideration?

              1. no, it is the ones you clowns did not bother to read as you started to talk out your asses about it using the words “not significant.”

                1. your arguments 8 months late are not significant

            2. Ah the hierarchy of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

              We get 1% of our electricity from windfarms, but next year we plan to double that!! (Two a whopping 2%)

              A 46% improvement on what?

              1. The year it went from 0% to something greater than 0% was off the charts.

              2. the study the anti-maskers were parroting a little while ago for the words “not significant.” the study had defined “significant” as 50%, and they only found a 46% lower number of covid among those who had been told to wear masks.

                1. It must be hard to be you all day.

        2. Anyone who has ever actually had training in this area knows that the only masks which offer any protection whatsoever are those which are fitted to the wearer’s face with a completely gastight seal, forcing all expiration through filtration material.

          Your t-shirt ain’t it.

    2. Unfortunately, I am all out of alarm. You will have to look elsewhere for donations.

  20. If we do need to be scared, the best place to start is the Democrat governors and mayors. They’re not acting particularly scared. They’re cheerfully ignoring the precautions that they’re ramming down our throats.

    1. Maybe they think they are on noble suicide missions that will inspire us with their selfless deaths.

      1. Again, if only. Surely these septuagenarians in congress have some underlying health conditions.

        Seriously, though – if you want to know how much masks actually help, look at what the head of the California Medical Association does, not what he says. He has posh dinners for 10 in an enclosed space with no masks. If a mask is so effective, why would he decide not to wear one?

        There have always been two sets of rules: one for the rulers and one for the ruled. People in congress, for example, may oppose voucher programs but you can be damn sure they are not sending their kids to DC public schools.

        With COVID, the double standard has gone beyond the ridiculous. Trump catches holy hell for not wearing a mask everywhere, but the same people who want to bury him will likely reelect both Newsom and Pelosi. Cuomo is an Emmy-winning hero who needs to mask to visit the barber. They aren’t the only examples.

        1. No editing ability is one of two things I dislike about this platform (the other is the inability to “like” a post).

          Correction: Cuomo is an Emmy-winning hero who needs NO mask to visit the barber.

        2. Other people being hypocrites doesn’t give you an excuse to be a reckless asshole with other people’s lives.

          1. I’m not being a reckless asshole with anyone’s life but my own. I wear the damn mask, and I am as socially distanced as you can get. If you fear Covid, stay home.

            1. I’m glad that you don’t take a Democrat being a hypocrite as an excuse to deny facts. Hypocrisy is not worse than outright maliciousness. Republicans get an absurd amount of credit for not giving a shit in the first place.

              1. Are they being hypocrites? More likely they don’t even buy the nonsense they spew

                The real thing to understand is these political hacks can’t abide not publicly appearing as though they are ‘doing something about it’
                It doesn’t matter if it works, doesn’t even matter if it makes the problem worse, it just has to be something visible you can point to.

                Standard mantra of a politician is that if everything is going well, its because of my great leadership, but if its not, its because other people are going against the plan.

                1. Yes once again the entire world is in a conspiracy to invent a crisis, and only Republicans know the truth.

                  And Donald Trump’s hair is handsome.

          2. Your paranoia doesn’t give you an excuse for demanding that people humor your phobia.

  21. If the idea was hyperbolic ads INSTEAD of government prohibitions, I’d be for it.

    1. The drunk driving and seat belt ads are spooky enough, thanks.

  22. This is the media. The media has always done this. And NOT just the mainstream media. They all do it. Except for Kitten Weekly Magazine.

    Bad news sells. If it bleeds it leads. The negative is exaggerated, the positive pushed to fluff segments in morning shows.

    The left leaning media does this. The right leaning media does this. The middle balanced and fair media does this. The whispering NPR does this, the shouing FOXNews does this.

    Best thing I ever did in my life was get rid of my television twenty five years ago. Then my mom noticed I didn’t have a TV when she came over, and got me a new one for Christmas. So I got a VCR to go with it. I still haven’t watched “the news” in twenty five years. Haven’t had a newspaper subscription in eighteen years. I am free of the shit you people swim in.

    I still get the news. I just don’t get the instant in-your-face presentation of it that’s designed to scare the shit out of you and sell more views. If there’s a significant event in the world, I will know about it. Everything else is just designed to scare you or install hate in you or trigger your negative emotions.

    I’m not on Twitter either. I’m on Facebook, but only for the pics of kittens and grandkids. I read Reason for the articles, not the news, Reason doesn’t do news.

    I don’t need the media to tell me how to think. I still believe the same core things I did twenty five years ago. Some details have changed. I did veer into pro-war-against-terror shit after 9/11, but that was due to… the news. I quickly corrected myself. People mock me for being pro-trade and pro-immigration today, but check HnR from twenty years ago and see that I have not changed. I don’t need the media to tell me how to think.

    I have seen you guys change, however. Stop wallowing in the media. It rots your mind.

    1. Yes, I agree. You are still an ass.

      1. Wonder if he will ever realize Reason also does this.

        1. Wonder if you read what he said.

    2. CNN will tell you COVID is the end of the world, and Fox will tell you the election is the end of the world. It’s always the end of the world.

      1. One of these days, one of them will be right.

  23. BEING YOUNG and carefree has proved difficult during the pandemic. According to a recent poll conducted on behalf of The Economist by YouGov, a pollster, more than three in five 18- to 29-year-old Americans are “very” or “somewhat” worried about contracting covid-19, more than the share of over-65s who feel the same way. This is curious given the risk they face. Young people do not fall ill with the virus as often as older people. Data from the country’s Centres for Disease Control suggest that those over 65 are roughly 270 times more likely to die from covid-19 than 18- to 29-year-olds. So why the worry?

    Stay at home stay safe and also follow the Coronavirus Disease (COVID 19) Guidelines according to WHO.

    1. BEING YOUNG and objectively intelligent has proved difficult. Again.

      FTFY

  24. WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!! WOLF!! WOLF!!! WOLF!!!

    Why doesn’t anyone come?

    1. don’t do that in PA

      1. ‘don’t do that in PA’

        better to be the boy that cried ‘wolf’ in PA than the boy that ended up being Rachel Levine…

    2. Because the sky is falling?

  25. The good news about covid is that every day we continue getting closer to achieving herd immunity, which is likely to occur when about 70% have been infected (and/or get a vaccine).

    Considering the Texas study (and other studies that found 3 – 10 times more Americans have been infected with covid (than have tested positive), herd immunity could become a reality in many communities, counties and states in the next several weeks or months (before vaccines are accessible to the masses), especially in the Midwest, Plains and Rocky Mountains.

    11% of folks in ND have already tested positive for covid, as have nearly 10% in SD, >7% in WI, IA and NE, and >6% in IL, MN, KS, TN, MT, UT, WY, ID and RI.

    1. Another good news story about covid that the news media has ignored is that the case fatality rate in the US has dropped from 6.2% in May to just 1.9% today.

    2. a very important thing to understand, that many do not…. is that catching it does not necessarily mean immunity. a big reason for the higher number of people showing antibodies than known cases is the prevalence of asymptomatic cases. and there have been several studies that have demonstrated a reduced immune response that fades quicker in those with little or no symptoms.

      1. So I’m confused now…

        Is the virus so hard to transmit that we have 4 to 5 times more people who only ever receive a tiny viral load which their immune system quickly and easily fights off?

        -OR-

        Is the virus very easy to transmit but has such a low incidence of complications – let alone mortality – that we have to upend civilization because of reasons?

        1. you are kind of missing/ignoring what i said. those who get a small viral load and “fight it off quickly” do not gain immunity from the experience. people are counting them towards potential herd immunity and that is not an established reality. none of this has any impact on the very real number of people currently in the hospital. (which is the number that really matters.)

      2. If catching it does not result in immunity there will never be an effective vaccine.

      3. you don’t ‘science’ much do you?

        people who are assymptomatic or minimally symptomatic were able to rid themselves of the virus with their innate immune system. As such, they never needed to develop the learned immune response of antibodies. The innate immune system doesn’t go away….its always there, provided one is in good health. The assymptomatic people don’t have a reduced immune response you twit, they have a better one. They don’t develop as much antibodies, because they don’t them against this.

        1. when you science it is apparently junk science. you guys really need to start pulling shit out of your ass and pretending you know WTF you are talking about.

  26. >>Although the gap implied that the virus was much less deadly than people initially feared, the Houston Chronicle framed the prevalence estimate as bad news.

    Americans are not the problem dummy, you guys are.

  27. I welcome these new ads. They will give good comedy.

    I remember discussing this issue in Tort Law. When you open your new medication, there is a giant sheet of paper with a size 3 font warning you of every possible negative reaction, all the pharmacology, lots of stats and studies, etc. If you are like me, you take a brief glance and toss it in the garbage.

    Too many warnings tends to inspire apathy about the warnings. People dismiss it as a corporate CYA attempt written by the lawyers (which it is), but somewhere in there, a warning that makes a difference to you might be buried in paragraph 4 of section 18.

    I recommend watching South Park’s Human CentiPad. (I recommend South Park in general.)

    We are entering a new age – an age where anxiety will drive public policy. This was a bait and switch: we all agreed to go home for two weeks to flatten the curve because avoiding overwhelming hospitals is a good thing. The goalpost moved. 9 months later, and I guess we are waiting for universal vaccination.

    We will be wearing masks, at least every winter, for the rest of time. Why do I believe this? Because the shoe bomber tried to blow up a plane in 2001, and we still take our shoes off and put them in a separate bin. Once government gains some control over your life, it tends to keep that power.

    1. “Once government gains some control over your life, it tends to keep that power.”

      Until it no longer can. Which judging from history occurs quite frequently.

      1. The government may have a law against running over kids on bicycles but that is not why I don’t do it.

        You are correct that people will just not do some things. There is no way for this to go on forever. Eventually the water starts to spill over the dam.

    2. “Since mid-October, the seven-day average of daily deaths has more than tripled, exceeding the record set in April. But that reality still falls short of the false prophecy embraced by the Times.”

      Has it? Cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all at record highs. Deaths now around 2500/day at the curve keeps trending up. Over 100,000 hospitalizations far above previous highs and climbing. 200,000 daily cases compared to the high of 50,000 in June.

      You got these nutcases all over thinking it is an overblown hoax. Most never intend to take a vaccine even if they could get one.

      “Wiggum: Okay, folks, show’s over. Nothing to see here, show’s… Oh my God! A horrible plane crash! Hey, everybody, get a load of this flaming wreckage! Come on, crowd around, crowd around! Don’t be shy, crowd around!“

      1. Because I’m sure that none of that increase in COVID-19 death rate is actually misclassified influenza death…

        https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/uritheflu/88676

        Answer me this:
        Are the mitigation methods we’re using to fight COVID-19 so effective that they’re reducing influenza by anywhere from 60-98%, in which case it would be reasonable to assume we’ve done the same to potential COVID-19 deaths (meaning that the Bad Orange Man really did save close to 2 million lives)? Or are a metric shit-ton of influenza deaths being incorrectly characterized as COVID-19 deaths (or are people who would have statistically died from influenza anyway)? Or do you have some magical explanation for why we basically *eradicated* influenza this year, but we’ve done a terrible, no-good, very bad job of dealing with COVID-19?

  28. I suppose you would have to downplay the severity of a crisis that kills 300,000 Americans in a year when the solution to that problem is concerted social action and it’s taking all the attention away from the real crisis, billionaires paying income taxes.

    Fucking libertarians. You don’t seem to ever get the fact that you’re stupid because you try to manhandle reality into a mold that some stupid bitch dreamed up and that reality doesn’t actually fit into. You don’t even mention hospital capacity and the mental health of doctors and nurses at the vanguard of this as you ticked off your evil eugenicist excuses for why hundreds of thousands of dead is no big deal.

    I guess we have the yardstick now. As long as a tax kills 300,000 people or fewer a year, it’s not a problem. Good we never have to talk about the evils of taxes again.

    1. Maybe if you walked out into the real world you ignorant childish tool, you would realize that the vast majority of people aren’t downplaying the severity of the virus, but reasonably assessing the risks of the various actions being forced upon them, like, say, not having a job, their kid’s education being flushed, or watching their life saving disappear trying to keep their business afloat.
      You are a vile sociopath Tony.

      1. What a pity then that people have bought into the framing that it’s either fix the virus or fix the economy. Obviously you must do one to do the other, but when the guy in charge is a lazy psychopath more concerned with his man tits not showing up on TV than saving lives, you get people believing stupid things.

        1. We were on track to two million deaths.

          Cutting that by only half weould be considered a rousing success!

    2. They will die one way or the other. Reality sucks. The plan remains:

      1. Protect medically fragile people
      2. While trying not to overwhelm hospitals
      3. And wait for herd immunity
      4. And hope we get lucky with a vaccine

      That’s it. Nothing changes. All else is hot air.

      1. the big problem we face is the people who refuse to take any personal responsibility for number 2.

      2. Well you don’t get to herd immunity without a vaccine, so your big idea is to do what we’re doing now only somehow keep nursing homes even more sealed somehow?

        The way not to overwhelm the hospitals and protect old people was to minimize virus spread with masks and social distancing.

        Step funding one is you people turning off your boner for mass murder.

        At least we agree that all the petty nonsense grievances of the rich libertarians exclusively care about are no longer anyone’s problem ever again. You say 300,000 dead people is no big deal, then taxes on billionaires is no big deal. Agreed?

        1. The way not to overwhelm the hospitals and protect old people was to minimize virus spread with masks and social distancing.

          For how long?

          And at what cost?

          1. At the cost of wearing a mask and social distancing.

            You’re libertarians. You don’t get to negotiate other people’s lives away.

      3. The problem with that approach is you are not ‘thinking’ like the virus. All it does is replicate. It will keep doing that. You can’t protect the vulnerable people under those circumstances. It will get in. It is not a math problem. It is a biological entity and you have no idea how it will act.

        We still do not know what happed to its cousin SARS which just went away. We still do not know what the Spanish Flu was so lethal.

        Herd Immunity is the most misunderstood term floating around today. If we have effective vaccines and people take them it might happen.

        Best we can do in my opinion is keep putting sand bags on the levee until we run out of sand bags or the flood level goes down.

    3. COVID is not airborne Ebola, but we’ve been conditioned to treat it that way (Ebola has about a 65% fatality rate). I’m sure the people who are arguing for continued lockdown are earnest, but I wonder where their concerns were when 60k (90k by other estimates) people were dying from the flu in 2017-18? COVID-19 is clearly, at this point, at least somewhat more transmissible and lethal than influenza, we know that thousands of people die every year of the flu, even though we have herd immunity, vaccines, and are almost never overwhelmed by victims such that people die who might have been saved but for the lack of equipment or personnel. If all *this* is deemed good for COVID-19, in a “no death is acceptable” world, why are we not shutdown permanently to save those 30-50K people EVERY YEAR? Why are we allowing people drive cars, that kill 40K people EVERY YEAR? Why are we not forcing obese people to lose weight (Relative to the normal weight category (BMI 18.5 to <25), obesity (BMI ≥30) was associated with 111 909 excess deaths [in 2000, the year examined for this JAMA study])?

    4. Why do you “downplay” the crisis that kills between 210k-420k Americans EVERY year? In a year when the solution to that problem isn’t pushing as many people as possible to their killers while lionizing them? Why don’t stand up for all those people that are being killed by the “vanguard” of licensed physicians that make “whoopsies” and off a quarter to half a million people every year?

      Fucking authoritarians. You don’t ever seem to get the fact that you’re stupid because you try to manhandle reality into a mold that some stupid bitch dreamed up and that reality doesn’t actually fit into. You don’t even mention that there’s an educational and licensing scheme designed to make sure that medical professionals don’t kill more people every year than the American military as you ticked off your evil eugenicist excuses for why hundreds of thousands of dead is no big deal.

      I guess we have the yardstick now. As long as you have a license, killing 420k people a year is not a problem. Good, we never have to talk about the evils private unlicensed citizens again.

  29. Not really- just not morally responsible more so. I think everyone sees what is/has happened except the true idiots who still call it a hoax.

    We just don’t have enough people that give a shit about anyone else. That old “fuck you, got mine” attitude that Americans all too often have.

    Most people, excluding possible long term effects, will be just fine after getting it. Some won’t though but we can’t be bothered to gaf about them now can we?

    1. My sin is, to my mind, thinking no more or less about the people dying of COVID than I think about the people dying of the flu. COVID deaths are not more tragic than flu deaths. Strangers dying from COVID impact me about the way way that stranger dying of the flu do, or strangers dying from falling off a ladder, or getting in a car wreck, or of cancer, or of heart attacks. If someone I love dies of COVID, is it more tragic to me than if they died of the flu, or cancer, or anything else? 8000 people die every day of something. Personally, I cannot grieve for all 8000 of them, nor do I want to try to sort out how much differently I should grieve based on how they died.

      I’m not saying that flu and COVID are the same, but I am asking why people treat them as if they are VERY VERY different? And why people ignore flu deaths as inconsequential?

      The reality is that vast (VAST) majority of people who get the flu will survive and it seems the vast majority of people who get COVID will survive, albeit at a somewhat higher risk of dying. There’s no question that COVID *is* more deadly than the flu.

      Some people who get the flu will die, despite medicine’s best efforts; a larger number of people who get COVID will die despite medicine’s best effort. Is there really THAT much difference between 60-90k people dying of the H3N2 flu a few years ago and 250k people dying of COVID in a population of 340 million? In 2017-18, 60-90k deaths was a “meh” event, but somehow 3-4x that number of deaths is the end of the world?

  30. It’s rich to see a public health nanny finally admit that maybe smoking ain’t so bad.

  31. What is Reason’s position on limiting covid liability for businesses? I may have just missed it. It’s the sticking point for the relief bill, so I assume there is a libertarian position.

    Since covid is no big deal for the average person, presumably there’s no liability problem to talk about.

    1. there will never be a liability problem to talk about.

      1. Because it’s just a bad flu?

        The fact is people who have to work in public-facing jobs are dying disproportionately. That’s poor and brown people. To a thinking person, that is an injustice. To a genocidal Republican cocksucker, I suppose it’s considered a good start.

        1. Causation is impossible. Especially if we’re supposed to be afraid of *Asymptomatic Carriers!!!!* you’ll never be able to hang the causation on any one person/entity.

          Nurses and Grocers aren’t dying in droves. If hospitals and grocers aren’t transmission-hubs nothing else is either.

          1. There should be a standard of basic concern for employee safety given a particular environment. This would all be easier to manage if only symptomatic people were contagious.

            I’m interested in the eternally undead moral calculation that poor people are only poor because they lack a certain moral character, and immoral people don’t deserve handouts unlike Mitch McConnell’s clearly exemplary corporate constituents.

          2. Around 1700 health care workers have died from COVID so far. Many more infected and can’t work. How many will it take until it concerns you?

            Many of these people are irreplaceable. It takes years to train them for a job most people don’t want.

            I just read a little story about an X-ray tech in a community hospital who has been sleeping in a van in the hospital parking lot for a week. All of his co workers are out with corona. He is the only one left. When he can’t work they have to shut down the ER.

            1. Wait, so an X-ray tech is running the ER by himself?

            2. That’s odd, all of them wore masks.

            3. “…Around 1700 health care workers have died from COVID so far. Many more infected and can’t work. How many will it take until it concerns you?..”

              Perhaps when those who wish to fan the PANIC flames provide some context for the numbers they post:
              Total number of healthcare workers in the US: 16,866,020
              https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-health-care-employment/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D (two years ago)
              Unless I’m missing a decimal, your number is 1/1000 of 1%. How many die from slipping in the bathtub? Try harder.

            4. Around 210k-420k people die from health care workers EVERY YEAR. I’m more concerned with THAT number, especially since it takes so long to train them, just to have them (in every year but 2020) be the THIRD leading killer in the US.

          3. Actually I see your point now.

            As for Tony I don’t think there is one libertarian position. There are conflicting principles.

            Libertarians are in favor of individual responsibility and small government.

            They also are based on the NAP which would include things like laws against drunk driving putting other people in danger.

            While the virus itself is nobody’s fault how we act in response to it has potential consequences. People, even experts do not agree about what we can or should do so there is no clear boundary as there is with the drunk driver.

            1. Didn’t mean to deman the losses of nurses it just seems to Layman Dillinger there would be so many more if this was “as bad as they say” whatever that means

              1. No I see you didn’t. My mistake.

            2. “…which would include things like laws against drunk driving putting other people in danger.
              While the virus itself is nobody’s fault how we act in response to it has potential consequences. People, even experts do not agree about what we can or should do so there is no clear boundary as there is with the drunk driver.”

              Nope.
              Most I know are not in favor of laws claiming you are ‘driving drunk’ courtesy of some number the CEO of MADD pulled out of her ass.
              Now, would you like to try again?

            3. There’s a significant difference between COVID-19 spread and drunk driving.

              1. You KNOW if you’ve been drinking (You may or may not know if you have COVID-19; If you have prior confirmation that you are infected, your actions should change and/or there is a liability on your part depending on your actions e.g. coughing directly on someone vs them catching it from touching a door handle).
              2. You KNOW how much you’ve drunk (You don’t know your viral load, when you were infected, or how well your body is fighting it and how much virus you’re shedding).
              3. You KNOW that driving drunk poses a significantly increased risk to yourself and others (You don’t know how much of a risk you pose with COVID-19, especially if you don’t know you’ve had it).
              4. You can easily mitigate the dangers of NOT driving drunk by not driving, not getting drunk, or waiting until you are not drunk, which usually takes only a few hours (You can’t easily mitigate, with any amount of certainty, the POSSIBLE dangers of you POSSIBLY having the virus and then POSSIBLY spreading it to someone else who may POSSIBLY be uniquely vulnerable to COVID-19. Remember that we don’t act like this with the flu or many other deadly diseases, and you can’t just be a shut-in until the pandemic stops, which would be the only effective way to mitigate ALL the risks, unless we had FAST, ACCURATE, CHEAP, and UBIQUITOUS testing).

              The biggest determining factor is something approaching mens rea. You can’t be held accountable for unintentionally spreading a virus if/when you don’t even know you had it, we don’t do it with the flu because some diseases are a fact of life and we can’t destroy society and hold people hostage because it might save some peoples’ lives because you (specifically) were made to stay home, hell California downgraded KNOWINGLY exposing a sexual partner to AIDS with the INTENT of spreading it from a felony to a misdemeanor…

        2. I feel sorry for you. Truly. This is the only place where you can pretend to be important.

          Poor and brown people also suffer most from lockdowns, given that their children are shut out of school and the jobs they have were the first to go.

          Whatever your position is, pretending this is a problem with a clear solution is naïve in the extreme.

          1. There is no easy solution, but there is a lesson. There is such a thing as too much individual liberty and too much reliance on market forces, and that equation can change depending on the environment.

            It should hardly be a surprise, and anyone who is surprised is too much of a dogmatist. Even known physics breaks down at a certain point, so obviously heterodox economic theories should be expected to, and natural disasters are an understandable place for that to happen.

            It’s why libertarians deal with natural disasters with denial.

            1. There are some people in denial but they have a problem. I think we near all understand what is going on. There is a lot of misinformation out there but that has nothing to do with libertarians.

              It is not clear where to draw the line in what role the government should do, even in the government. That is also not limited to libertarians.

            2. Besides Tony it is market forces keeping the 2020 shitshow together. The grocery store, delivery and food suppliers, medical suppliers and workers, pharm companies, the people who keep Netflix and the internet running, utilities. All of them are markets.

              If the government ran that stuff we would be living like those people in The Walking Dead by now.

            3. There is such a thing as too much individual liberty …
              You are poisonous.

              1. Excuse the fuck out of me, I’m not the one sucking the cock of the goddamn orange Nazi. I’m sorry if I said something obviously true. You don’t believe there is no limit to personal liberty. Nobody believes that who wants to avoid getting raped or murdered by someone expressing his individual liberties.

                Jesus Christ I’m trying to have an intelligent conversation and you people sit here and act like the very dogmatic mental midgets with your thumbs up your asses like I was describing.

                1. Bullshit. You never try to have an intelligent conversation. Your schtick is calling names and fuming about the evils of liberty and how bad the Bad Orange Man is.

                  Go pray to your state.

                  1. The orange man is the head of state!

                    You get that right?

                    1. Yes… And?

                    2. When Republicans have been telling you that you’re supposed to vote for them to run government because they hate government… oh why bother.

            4. “…Even known physics breaks down at a certain point,..”

              Shitstain is know for shoveling bullshit, but this has to be worth of the same sort of Emmy awarded to Cuomo.

            5. “There is such a thing as too much individual liberty ”

              Leave it to the elders: ‘When people have the freedom to choose, they choose wrong, every single time.’

              Only TOP MEN should ever be allowed to decide what’s best for everyone else. Tony, of course, assumes he’d be one of the TOP MEN.

            6. ” There is such a thing as too much individual liberty and too much reliance on market forces, and that equation can change depending on the environment.”

              Which is clearly the reason the markets failed in the Soviet famine in 1921-1923, and the Soviet famine in 1932-1933, and the Holodomor, and the Soviet famine of 1947, and the Chinese famine from 1959-1961. The wise governments took charge and fixed what those disgusting, selfish, greedy individuals would have made worse…

              You show your partisan dogmatism: “It’s why libertarians deal with natural disasters with denial.”

              Libertarians don’t deny natural disasters (unlike you, who thinks every natural disaster is ACKSHUALLY caused by too much freedom), they deny that your preferred solutions (fascist diktats implementing “solutions”) are the correct solutions.

              1. Really because it’s pulling teeth getting anyone around here to acknowledge any facts about climate change. I realize that’s a particularly difficult one considering there would be practically no libertarianism if not for the fossil fuel oligarchs who subsidize it.

                1. Perhaps its because:
                  1. There is no “consensus” on climate change, certain facts are in dispute. YOU don’t get to decide which “facts” are facts and which aren’t.
                  2. Science doesn’t work by consensus, and it DEFINITELY doesn’t work when some people outright deny that there is any valid critique of their methods or conclusions, which is what the Climate Catastrophists have done for DECADES.
                  3. All of the “scientific” models produced thus far have been invalidated many times over, yet every NEW prediction is even worse but MUST be listened to as if its gospel.
                  4. As soon as anyone agrees with the “facts,” they MUST automatically agree with the Climate Catastrophists’ prescriptions to fix the problem.

                  Perhaps if leftist Climate Catastrophists would actually consider the most viable option for replacing what THEY claim is the biggest problem (fossil fuels), they might get some traction. But instead, as soon as the word “nuclear” is brought up, they run around screaming that “We can’t do THAT! We have to end fossil fuels and animal agriculture IMMEDIATELY and replace them with wind and solar!” I haven’t met a libertarian yet who wouldn’t support the swift transition from fossil fuels to nuclear power (in areas where its logistically possible to do so). Until the people bitching about climate change start discussing climate change in good faith, rather than as a cudgel to force the compliance of others, they won’t get anywhere. Nor should they.

                  1. See. Pure unmitigated bullshit. The only purpose of this anti-scientific propagandistic nonsense is to stop any conversation on the subject. You act like I haven’t been doing this for a while.

                    You keep saying leftists hate nuclear. You don’t say this because you’ve engaged leftists on policy debates, but because it’s an article of faith and a talking point. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. This is the same bullshit as above. Some phantom liberal somewhere was a hypocrite about something, therefore all of science is wrong.

                    Imagine you could be wrong and all the scientists could be right. What then? Do you fear you might be responsible in your own way for species-wide calamity? Of course not. You know better than the global scientific community. You. You’re that smart.

                    Global warming isn’t a hypothesis you evil twats. It’s an observation. You are flat earthers. Be flat earthers but stop trying to have opinions on things that are beyond you.

  32. If you’re stuck at home hiding under your bed, you at least want to be told that your actions are rational.

    1. Yup. Hiding under the bed might be a good idea in some circumstances.

      “Damn I hear your husband coming up the stairs”

  33. Yes, I will beat a dead horse. If this were 2010 and someone said Obamacare Death Panels were going to let 300,000 old people die early because we need to save money and spend our scarce healthcare dollars on younger people the GOP would have been hysterical. But that is exactly what is happening now. We know Covid is killing people early, but mainly they are old people or people with comorbidities and hence, expendable. And why do we do it? For economic reasons.

    1. “Yes, I will beat a dead horse. If this were 2010 and someone said Obamacare Death Panels were going to let 300,000 old people die early because we need to save money and spend our scarce healthcare dollars on younger people the GOP would have been hysterical. But that is exactly what is happening now…”

      It’s not that you ‘beat a dead horse’, it’s that you’re so fucking stupid that you assume an equivalence where none exists.
      Fuck off and die.

  34. It’s not like I WANT to get COVID (or the flu for that matter), and I’m certainly going to make rational efforts to avoid them and other diseases (like handwashing prevents E. coli poisoning, flu, COVID, …) but I feel like a little measure of rationality here goes a long way. Human beings have a bad habit of not being able to understand real vs perceived risks. For instance, a person will drive 100 miles to go to the beach, then say “I’m not going in the water because I’m afraid I’ll get eaten by a shark.” Dude! You were like 1000 times more likely to die in a car wreck on the way to the beach than you were likely to ever get bit by a shark, much less killed by one.

    If you feel like you’re in an at-risk group, then by all means take whatever measures you feel are reasonable for yourself. You can politely ask me to help you protect yourself, but don’t expect me to make any effort to help you though and if you try to force me to do so, there is going to be backlash. If your kid is deathly allergic to peanuts, I expect you to teach your kid to not eat peanuts, to carry an epipen in case he accidentally does so, and to politely ask me if the cookies I’m serving might possibly have peanuts in them. If you inform me before hand, I’ll probably even make an extra effort to avoid creating an issue for your kid. But if you say “No one who sends a kid to this school can be permitted to have any peanut products in their home because they could be uncaring assholes and let their kids eat peanut butter toast and wipe their hands on their jacket before coming to school and killing my kid.” I’ll probably say “Fuck you” and slick my kid’s hair back with peanut oil and send them to school with a PB&J for lunch. Good thing I don’t have kids.

    I guess you could say that I respect that COVID poses a certain level of danger, but I’m willing to take the risk knowing the danger versus being afraid of COVID. But again, life is filled with risks, real and imagined. We commonly accept certain risks and behaviors that, in it’s worst case, result in a certain amount of deaths. Like driving cars, riding motorcycles, or parachuting out of airplanes for fun, or swimming, using ladders, or a million other things that kill people. If we adhered to “if it saves one life…” no one would ever be allowed to drive or go swimming ever again. As a society, we’re clearly OK with the fact that car wrecks will kill 40k Americans every year. No one gives it a second thought–unless the person killed is a friend or relative. We also clearly accept the risk posed by certain infectious diseases, like the flu that kill thousands of Americans every winter (despite vaccines, flu-specific treatments, and decades of experience treating flu in clinical settings).

    Fearing COVID at the levels many people seem to looks like raw panic to me, and panicky people do stupid things. I think Agent K says “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.”

  35. If this were as bad as they claim it is, they wouldn’t have to “scare” anyone.

  36. You can do everything they recommend and still die from the virus. You can do nothing they recommend and not even have symptoms of the virus.
    You can live in fear, cowering in your home, or you can just live.
    It is up to you.

  37. The Democrats and their lackeys in the media are stoking the panic so they can seize more and more control over our lives. How long before they link COVID to Climate Change so they can justify their ridiculous Green New Deal. They won’t have to worry about destroying the economy – there won’t be an economy left to ruin.

  38. None of these numbskulls running this fake pandemic shebang have a clue about everyone’s immune system. From the time you are born until your death, your immune system is gathering bacteria and germs and learning how to control them and learning how to protect you to some degree. Why are millions exposed to covid and not getting sick or maybe slightly sick? Why are millions exposed to flu, ebola, SARS, MERS, the Spanish flu, the Aisian flu from 1968, the bird flu and a hundred other viruses and they never get sick or seldom get sick or do get sick but don’t die? Having not had and vaccines in 40 years and seldom getting sick beyond a normal cold, why would I be afraid of covid? Why would I need and RNA scrambling vaccines filled with aluminum and nano-particles that will be used to track you for 2 years? If you watch the TV news or get your news from the main social media outlets…you are completely in the dark and it’s no surprise you are scared out of your gourd and follow every silly mandate that comes down the pike. The government dictators are turning people into slaves and all of your freedoms and rights are about to be abolished. Have fun being full of fear and letting these idiots destroy your life.

  39. “sufficiently alarmed” is a question of judgement and can’t be answered in a objective manner. How much you should be alarmed depends not only on accurate assessment of how likely it is to affect you and how dramatic that effect might be, but also on how much any proposed interventions will impact you and the relative value you place on those impacts vs the covid impacts. Given this many variables, it’s not surprising that everyone’s going to have a slightly different view, and none of them are going to be objectively wrong outside of starting from bad data.

  40. But the year after Figueredo Thomson began production on La Causa, Chavez declared Zuloaga a political enemy of the revolution, forcing his family to flee to the U.S.
    New year Shayari 2021

  41. Oh sure, let’s all get filled with some more holiday fear instead of holiday cheer. There is no pandemic. Millions are not dying as in other legitimate pandemics and the death rate is 1/4 of normal pandemics. Most of the dead have come from inadequate protections in nursing homes. If you are under age 60, which most Americans are, you have the same chance of dying from the regular flu as you do from covid. Speaking of the regular flu that should be in full swing by now…what happened to it? No flu this year? Strange, did the Democrats stop that too? For the older folks, take plenty of vitamin D and some other supplements and if you have a compromised immune system, stay home. Since we are breathing air all day long, the same air that circulates everywhere, then that means if there are viruses in the air, they are everywhere all the time. You don’t usually get sick because your immune system is working full time to protect you. But, if you are still fearful of dying from covid, then MASK UP 7/24/365/until the day you die…and sell your soul to the Marxist liberals.

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