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Jo Jorgensen's 1% Triumph

With no name recognition, no money, and no media, the Jorgensen campaign helped cement the L.P.'s decadelong transformation into the third party in the United States.

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"If it holds," former Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) tweeted out the morning after Election Day, "@LPNational candidate got 38,000 votes in Wisconsin and margin between @JoeBiden and @realDonaldTrump is less than 21,000 votes." Then, because this was the modern Republican Party, Walker illustrated his exasperation with a beer commercial GIF.

You had to squint long and hard at the data during the seemingly endless 2020 election to discern any potential "spoiler" effect by the L.P. nominee or other nontraditional candidates, from rapper Kanye West to blockchain entrepreneur Brock Pierce. Libertarian Ricky Harrington Jr.'s longshot dream of unseating interventionist Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) in a race with no Democrat fell 32 percentage points short. Not one single third-party gubernatorial candidate got more votes than the margin between the top two candidates—not even the otherwise impressive anti-lockdown Libertarian Donald Rainwater, who captured 12 percent in Indiana's gubernatorial race.

Libertarian presidential nominee Jo Jorgensen, a little-known Clemson University psychology lecturer and 1996 L.P. vice presidential candidate, had a massive fund-raising disadvantage compared to her 2016 predecessor Gary Johnson—$3 million vs. $12 million—and was given just a fraction of the attention by pollsters and the media in her race against major-party candidates Joe Biden and President Donald Trump.

All of which was logical enough in a highly polarized political environment that chewed up and spat out all third-party comers during the unprecedentedly high-turnout 2018 midterm elections. When voters are keyed up to play defense against the team in or near power, the ranks of Libertarians, Greens, and independents all shrink.

That's why Jorgensen's vote total of (at press time) 1.2 percent, even while amounting to just a third of Johnson's 2016 haul, was so impressive. With no name recognition, no money, and no media, the Jorgensen campaign helped cement the L.P.'s decadelong transformation into the third party in the United States.

The Libertarian beat Green Party nominee Howie Hawkins, plus West and all other non-major-party comers, in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. (It was the fifth time the L.P. candidate made it onto 51 ballots, which only Democrats and Republicans had previously accomplished.) Jorgensen produced the party's second-highest all-time vote total, its second-highest voting percentage, and its highest-ever share (70 percent) among presidential voters who shunned the major parties.

This is the third consecutive election in which Libertarians have won the bronze medal, the most impressive third-party record since before World War II. The L.P. now has a commanding lead over the Greens in party registration—650,000 to 240,000 as of October, according to Ballot Access News. And yet you can almost hear the ghost of former Green Bay Packers coach Vince Lombardi saying, "There is only one place in my game, and that's first place."

Libertarians will soon have more than 200 elected officials* nationwide, including freshly victorious Wyoming statehouse member Marshall Burt, and until January they have the party's first-ever member of Congress, Justin Amash of Michigan. Still, in a two-party system, "We're No. 3!" is hardly the most rousing of chants. Most consumers of politics are impatient to know how the misfits will impact the main event. So is Scott Walker right to imply Jorgensen helped flip Wisconsin to Biden?

The short answer is that we don't yet know; exit polls were just being published as this issue went to the printer. We do know from the 2016 exits that about 25 percent of Johnson voters said that, had a Libertarian not been on the ballot, they would have voted for Hillary Clinton, 15 percent for Trump, and 55 percent not at all. We further know, from 2020 preelection and exit polls, that a solid majority of third-party voters from 2016 said they were choosing Biden, compared to around 20 percent for Trump.

What seems likeliest, if a bit tautological, in this extraordinary year of pandemics and political violence, is that the roughly 1 percent of the electorate who dependably vote Libertarian are neither latent Republicans nor closet Democrats but, well, libertarians—with a distinct political identity unto themselves, impervious to insincere wooing from big-government politicians. Helping foster that identity might be the L.P.'s biggest victory yet.

* (CORRECTION: The original version of this article misstated the total number of elected officials nationwide.)

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  1. Welch, you’re an idiot.

    Jorgensen accomplished nothing. At best, she was the “none of the above“ candidate.

    Zero name recognition. Lacked a persuasive campaign message for any liberty lovers.

    Sucked up to Marxists. Chose an actual Bolshevik as a running mate. Alienated the Mises caucus and unaffiliated libertarians.

    Destroyed the LP’s chances for at least a decade to become part of the discussion.

    A literal turd could have gotten more votes than her.

    She couldn’t even present herself intelligently on Kennedy’s show. It was a real embarrassment.

    1. I disagree. Jo convinced 1% of the voting population that liberty was the solution to our problems and that is not something to pinch your nose about. Think about how many tens of thousands of people now support true liberty in America. Voting is like dating. If I don’t approach a lot of women, I won’t get dates because of my obesity and obtuse penis. However, if I proposition a multitude of women and sweeten the deal by offering financial rewards (e.g. like a movie deal), then my success rate will still be low but I’ll get to have sex with a lot of beautiful women. That is the future of the Libertarian Party in American politics.

      1. I disagree. Jo convinced 1% of the voting population that liberty was the solution to our problems and that is not something to pinch your nose about.

        Did it help? Oh ok. Yeah.

        Think about how many tens of thousands of people now support true liberty in America.

        Millions more that support liberty voted for Trump to stop the liberty destroyer duo named Biden/Harris. We are all compromising here. You think Trump is my ideal candidate? Absolutely not. Everyone is compromising here! There is zero... repeat... zero fucking chance that you will EVER get the ideal candidate, EVER. Yet you guys refuse to compromise and vote for your ideal candidate and what did it get you. A loss... again. You guys sit here reveling in your own greatness about 1% triumph (laugh) because you refused to compromise. Well... congratulations on your "win."

        Voting is like dating. If I don’t approach a lot of women, I won’t get dates because of my obesity and obtuse penis. However, if I proposition a multitude of women and sweeten the deal by offering financial rewards (e.g. like a movie deal), then my success rate will still be low but I’ll get to have sex with a lot of beautiful women. That is the future of the Libertarian Party in American politics.

        You're right. This is the future of the libertarian party. Dreaming about having sex with beautiful women. Then getting a rating of 1% from those beautiful women.

        1. Trump isn’t merely imperfect, he’s just as bad as Biden. We have an enormous because Trump likes to spend other peoples’ money.

          1. Trump is worse than Biden, because while they are equally bad policy-wise, at least Biden doesn’t have a cult-like following. Cult-like followings are bad for individualism and liberty.

            1. Trump is worse than Biden, because while they are equally bad policy-wise, at least Biden doesn’t have a cult-like following. Cult-like followings are bad for individualism and liberty.

              Yeah - please provide a bulleted list for that one. As if the democrats don't have a cult-like following. Comical.

              Trump was easy on gun control. He didn't put a crapfest propaganda call with narcissistic posturing of tears and eye wiping like Obama after a school shooting while demanding assault weapons bans and nationwide universal background checks. Trump, through executive order, had the ATF enforce bump stock bans. It will likely be overturned through the court, as a bump stock, textually, does not meet the definition of a machine gun. Harris/Biden wants assault weapon bans (semi auto magazine fed firearms) banned, universal background checks, magazine limits, among many others.

              Trump was an antiwar president. Were we in any wars? Nope. He was anti-war. Biden has already names all the classic warmongers and swamp rats of Obama's era. They are all coming back in.

              Trump reduced corporate taxes by tremendous amounts. In fact, everyone got a tax cut. Biden promised to repeal it.

              Now, lets look at ideology. The left are the party of socialism. They want you to partake in their games. Socialist redistribution games. Gun control games. Discrimination games. Mask games. Lockdown games. Vaccine games. Inclusivity, diversity, equity bullshit. And their solution? Marxism. Take from some, forcefully, give to others who claim they need it.

              Whatever. I hope you guys enjoy it. By the time you notice the problem, it will already be on top of you. It's probably a waste of my time just talking to you idiots.

          2. Again, your opinion as to who is worse or just as bad is just an opinion stated as fact. And obviously you don’t know who actually passes a budget. Nothing in your opinion about starting wars? Finishing off ISIS? Zero Iranian and NK troubles? I’m guessing you’re one of those previously stated in the article as a closet Democrat.

          3. Trump isn’t merely imperfect, he’s just as bad as Biden. We have an enormous because Trump likes to spend other peoples’ money.

            Wholeheartedly disagree with that. Only a dumbfuck born yesterday would think such a thing. The democrats Communists are looking to usher in equality/equity extremism (marxism) while taking all your guns through gun control. Everyone outside the United States was Trump's target. For Biden/Harris, it's everyone inside the US. So get ready for the "unity" and "healing" and huge taxes, and shitty economy, and a gargantuan shit of regulations all over your life.

      2. Half of that 1% are liberals in safe blue areas participating in cosplay. See this site with jeff, wk, brandy, chipper, etc.

        They are happier the more authoritarian candidate one. Because apparently principles means if you dont get 100% of what you want you stomp your feet and pout.

        1. Not that this would ever happen, but I’m just curious. If Justin Amash beat Trump in the 2024 Republican primaries (would never happen, I’m well aware), would you happily support Amash?

          1. I am already noted as not being an amash fan because he is typical party libertarian where he would rather dismiss compromised freedom because it isnt pure freedom. He did nothing in all of his years as a rep, why would I believe he would do anything as president? He also supported the IC in its corrupt intent against the president because amash didn’t like the president. The one time he should have stood on principles against the IC he sold them for a book deal and glowing media narratives. He is not a real libertarian. He is a puritan. Idealists are wrong no matter the ethos because idealism refuses compromise and requires everyone to agree to a single philosophy. Idealism is authoritarian in nature. Rand Paul has shown an ability to compromise and take actual steps towards liberty, not stomp his feet when he doesn’t get everything he wants.

            Amash is a fool.

            1. I’m aware of your feelings about Amash.

              I was asking if you would vote for him against Biden or Harris?

              1. If that was the pure choice, yes. Because I know biden and Harris would do far more damage to liberty. Me stomping my feet doesn’t actually produce any liberty.

                The problem is in this scenario I dont think amash would step towards liberty due to his past record. But his nullify would be better than a negative step to authority of Biden and Harris. So if Amash was polling in a coin flip race, yes I would. My principle is to reduce as much authoritarian as possible. 0 is better than 10 in this regard.

                However trump actually stepped towards liberty. So he would be preferable to amash. Amash is closer to GWB than a libertarian in what would be accomplished.

                1. How is Trump more libertarian than Amash? I’m genuinely curious how you would come to that conclusion?

                  1. Trump reduced taxes, regulation, reduced foreign presence, first step act, title ix reform… Amash named 2 post offices. Next dumb question?

                    1. Trump is the president while Amash is just one member of congress. I’ve seen that post office comment on here a lot, and I don’t get it.

                      Amash voted for the tax cuts and the first step act Trump signed into law. Amash supports Trump’s troop withdrawals from Afghanistan. Unless you name what regulations you’re referring to I don’t know for sure if Amash supported it, but he most likely did. Same for title IX reform.

                      So everything you listed Amash voted for or supports. There’s several issues that Amash is more libertarian.

                      Amash wants to end the war on drugs. Trump doesn’t. He appointed Sessions as AG who’s regressive as hell when it comes to the war on drugs. Barr hasn’t done shit to stop the war on drugs. Amash has proposed legislation ending civil asset forfeiture. Trump’s Justice Dept has continued using civil asset forfeiture. Amash supported abolishing the death penalty at the federal level. Trump has executed 8 people and approved 5 more before January 20th. He has also expanded the methods of execution.
                      Amash has said Trump abused his power when he assasinated Solimani. Amash voted against the Covid stimulus that Trump not only signed but sent out with a letter thanking himself for it. Amash criticized Trump and DHS for sending federal agents t9 Portland and other places during protests. Trump tear gassed peaceful protesters so he could take a picture with a Bible.

                      I don’t agree with all of Amash’s actions or views, but I can’t see how anyone could say Trump is more libertarian than Amash.

                    2. I almost forgot to mention how much the debt has increased under Trump. That doesn’t seem very libertarian…

                    3. I didn’t make myself clear.

                      “What has Amash done that’s actually libertarian.”
                      My original point was Amash is more libertarian than Trump. All the things JesseAz listed for Trump Amash supported too.
                      Also Amash didn’t assassinate Solemani and criticized Trump for it. Amash criticized Trump sending DHS troops to Portland and other places. Trump has executed 8 federal inmates and approved 5 more before his term ends. Amash wants to abolish the federal death penalty.

                      The “Repubican with a libertarian streak” anecdote was in response to you asking what has Amash done that’s libertarian. I realize cutting taxes and deficits is fundamental to libertarianism, but it bugged me that at the same time these “Repubicans with a libertarian streak” also wanted tougher prison sentences for drugs, send troops overseas and assassinate foreigners, and execute as many inmates as they can. Your questioning Amash being libertarian reminded me of them. If people actually think Trump is more libertarian than Amash they must not know what libertarianism is. I’m not even a libertarian.

                  2. What has Amash actually done that was libertarian?

                    1. I just posted above the ways Smash is more libertarian than Trump.

                      Goddamn for years you’d see someone described as “Republican with a libertarian streak,” but in reality they didn’t give a shit about civil liberties they just wanted to pay as little taxes as possible. It seems many of the reason commenters fit that description.

                      Also I forgot to mention how much the debt has increased under Trump.

                      Other than tax cuts and “deregulation” (that always bothers me because deregulation of what? Getting rid of regulations just to get rid of them seems foolhardy. If there’s a good reason to then do it, but the crap like “for every new regulation two must be repealed” is just political bs. Besides wouldn’t that be “regulating deregulation?”

                    2. …but in reality they didn’t give a shit about civil liberties they just wanted to pay as little taxes as possible. It seems many of the reason commenters fit that description.

                      Does not compute for me. If everyone paid zero taxes then the government would be non-existent and you would maximize your civil liberties, at least from a government. So it stands to "reason" that the less tax you pay, the smaller government is, and the less they run your life.

                      Also I forgot to mention how much the debt has increased under Trump.

                      One guy, Trump, was never going to lower the debt, even if he wanted to. In reality, both parties have completely abandoned fiscal responsibility. Progressives are the party of tomorrow. Conservatives are the party of yesterday, and yesterday's tomorrow is today. Fiscal responsibility is gone.

                      Other than tax cuts and “deregulation” (that always bothers me because deregulation of what? Getting rid of regulations just to get rid of them seems foolhardy. If there’s a good reason to then do it, but the crap like “for every new regulation two must be repealed” is just political bs. Besides wouldn’t that be “regulating deregulation?”

                      I think I'd be all for "regulating deregulation." Sounds good. I don't give a damn what you call it. The issue people have with regulation and the "for every new regulation two must be repealed” - is because we are constantly creating laws on every level (Federal, state, county, city, HOA). But seemingly never repealing any of them. For example:

                      In my state, people paid taxes for road maintenance. Politicians were like, "Guys, we really need this money to pay for the roads." And people were nodding and they were like, "yeah, we want good roads." And so they agreed, legislation passed. Then later, they established road tolls, and politicians said, "Guys, we really need this money to pay for the roads, and when the road is paid off, we will remove the tolls." And I thought, WTF, I thought I was already paying for the roads. The legislation passed. Then they greatly expanded the toll roads all over the whole fucking state. Even freeways were taken over and toll roads slapped on them. And then the politicians said, "Guys we can't afford to remove the tollways. they fund our state." And I thought, "You gotta be fucking kidding me!" And next thing you know, I was paying for my neighbor's healthcare, and my 22 year old jobless basement nephew's food stamps, who never even once looked for a job.

                    3. I replied to the wrong one.
                      I didn’t make myself clear.

                      “What has Amash done that’s actually libertarian.”
                      My original point was Amash is more libertarian than Trump. All the things JesseAz listed for Trump Amash supported too.
                      Also Amash didn’t assassinate Solemani and criticized Trump for it. Amash criticized Trump sending DHS troops to Portland and other places. Trump has executed 8 federal inmates and approved 5 more before his term ends. Amash wants to abolish the federal death penalty.

                      The “Repubican with a libertarian streak” anecdote was in response to you asking what has Amash done that’s libertarian. I realize cutting taxes and deficits is fundamental to libertarianism, but it bugged me that at the same time these “Repubicans with a libertarian streak” also wanted tougher prison sentences for drugs, send troops overseas and assassinate foreigners, and execute as many inmates as they can. Your questioning Amash being libertarian reminded me of them. If people actually think Trump is more libertarian than Amash they must not know what libertarianism is. I’m not even a libertarian.

              2. I’m aware of your feelings about Amash.

                I was asking if you would vote for him against Biden or Harris?

                I would vote for Amash with zero hesitation when put up against Harris/Biden equity extremism. Zero hesitation. The question is – why didn’t you guys for Trump?

        2. And yet all the pouting seems to be coming from Trump supporters…

          1. We feel bad, because we foresee you guys upcoming suffering. You guys are going to suffer leftist extremism, because Trump wasn't good enough for you. He wasn't good enough for you, so your inaction resulted in a much much worse candidate. And you guys seem to be oblivious about this cultural war we are in. And you also don't seem to notice... that you are losing.

      3. Complete foolishness. 1% is meaningless

      4. No, she convinced over 2% of the voting population who voted last time for Gary Johnson NOT to vote Libertarian this time.

        Jorgensen was a disaster. In the cage match that was the 2020 Presidential election, she was a librarian tut-tutting from the sidelines. We needed an Arvin Vohra-type who would get in there, throw some elbows, and call it as he sees it… not a pleasant person who said nothing which made any waves whatsoever. She’s a lovely woman but was totally wrong for 2020.

    2. Agreed. Celebrating 1% is the lamest crap ever. Literally a gaggle of losers celebrating how they lost a little less this time. While the opposition ushers in the furthest left administration ever, with literal socialist/communists as candidates because the losers here couldn't compromise and decided to cut off their nose to spite their face. Enjoy wealth redistribution dumb fucks. It's probably ok for you - as long as you get your weed. Fucktards.

      1. Choosing the lesser evil is still choosing evil.

        You could have refused to throw your vote away.

        You chose to do so. Don’t whine that others did’t.

        1. Well, it’s nice that are still some libertarians left around here. Cheers, Agammamon The Preet Defier.

          1. Well, it’s nice that are still some libertarians left around here.

            In a few generations there probably won't be. The commies have taken over academia, mainstream media, entertainment, and all social media. But yea celebrate your 1% your purity, and your sanctimonious bullshit about "voting for the lesser evil is still evil." Instead you guys did nothing, and by choosing those actions, you have chosen the greater evil. Revel in it. Congratulations.

        2. Oh for fuck’s sake! More ad nauseum cliches being parroted only for the purpose of virtue signalling. Try thinking that statement through for about 5 seconds before you simply rinse and repeat.

          You choose “the lesser evil” every damn day in almost everything you do because there are virtually no great, let alone choices in life given all circumstances and potentialities.

          Jojo was a lesser evil as well.

        3. Choosing the lesser evil is still choosing evil.

          Another dumbfuck response. Not choosing the lesser evil resulted in you ending up with the more evil of the two. Your analogy is flawed. The "consequentialism" of your actions resulted in a more evil outcome then choosing the lesser evil. So as a result of your actions you chose the greater evil. Not surprised you guys couldn't fathom a second order consequence, instead spouting some cliched response your school teacher rote learned you. Maybe look up consequentialism yea. Education guys. Look up "Aleppo" too while you're at it.

          You could have refused to throw your vote away.

          Nonsensical dumbshit response.

          You chose to do so. Don’t whine that others didn’t.

          Nonsensical dumbshit response.

    3. The “Mises caucus”? Is that like, six people?

      1. Six Trump supporters.

        1. But JFree and Sqrlsy are on our team Mr. Chipper.

    4. I keep promoting the idea of “None of the Above” on every ballot. And I wager Jo would have lost to None.

      1. IIRC she was neck and neck with NOTA in Nevada.

    5. But at least she tied the LP party to marxism through critical race theory.

      1. Which maybe 35 people picked up on, and was likely unintentional.

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    7. > Alienated the Mises caucus

      You say that like it’s a bad thing. I’m all for alienating any caucus that gets misty eyed thinking of the Confederacy. Fuck the fever swamp.

      1. I’d take Jefferson Davis over anarcho-fascist Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

  2. Jo Jorgensen’s 1% Triumph

    LOLOLOL! Dumbest article yet. Please keep celebrating your 1% triumph while the rest of the nation ushers in your ideological nemesis – Senile socialist Biden and equity/equality extremist communist Harris. Revel in your own perceived “win.”

    Comical retarded shit ever.

  3. It’s surprisingly difficult to convince people that voting for liberty is in their own self-interest.

    Jo Jorgensen was not the candidate capable of doing that.

    1. You could sweeten the deal with a few extra shekels. Why not vote for a few extra handouts from the public purse?

      1. I guess I wouldn’t consider that freedom.

        “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”

      2. Do we consider tax cuts as government handouts again?

        1. Do we consider tax cuts as government handouts again?

          ^^^^ This! Democrats are amazing, in that they think they are entitled to everyone's efforts, and tax cuts are actually corporations and people receiving subsidies. Seriously. But yet they still shrugged their faces and let that ideology in the door, all while, amazingly, saying "voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil." How naive.

    2. i think she was, but we needed to get the public more exposed to her.

      1. But you agree with critical race theory and are not a libertarian.

        1. WTF does that mean?

          1. Another oaf completely oblivious of the current cultural war. Probably spent too much time on "reason.com" listening to all the leftists here.

            It's marxism for intersectionality. It's all about marxism. Democrats can't even envision anything other than government enforced sharing.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory#Whiteness_as_property

            1. so….. nothing relevant in any way to what is being discussed…. got it.

              1. Marxism is NOT libertarian.
                What are you? A block of wood?

            2. Purple comments are impossible to read on colorblind mode. 🙁

              Please write in black.

    3. JoJo endorsed and promoted racist marxism.

      Trump was the vote for liberty.

      1. since trump lost, your vote was just as wasted as mine.

        1. since trump lost, your vote was just as wasted as mine.

          I think we should all just stop and take a moment to appreciate the level of stupidity required to make that assertion.

          1. isn’t that the argument for not voting third party? if you don’t win your vote was wasted…..

        2. since trump lost, your vote was just as wasted as mine.

          LOLOL. 1% for JO. What % for Trump? When you walk, do you look straight at the ground? Do you ever run into anything? Try lifting your head up and looking straight ahead.

          1. he still lost, and your votes still meant nothing.

            1. A 1% vote is always going to mean nothing. My vote for republicans - sometimes it means something. My vote would mean more if you would stop wasting your vote for a 1%.

  4. Welch’s decision to equate voters for the LP as libertarians shows his REPUBLOCRAT political thinking

    “who dependably vote Libertarian are neither latent Republicans nor closet Democrats but, well, libertarians”

    Libertarians do not equate whom one votes for as inherently representative of one’s core beliefs as Welch does.

    1. Better to be excluded from the legislative process than compromise your beliefs and try to move either party towards liberty.
      #LibertariansAgainstCompromise

      1. been tried…. didn’t work.

        1. Lol

          Ls tried with the tea party for like, what, a year?
          Great effort.
          Meanwhile the LP has been around for 50 years, during which time the government has boomed.

          Fuck leftists

          1. Ls tried with the tea party for like, what, a year?
            Great effort.
            Meanwhile the LP has been around for 50 years

            The Tea Party had more impact on U.S. politics in that one year than the Libertarian Party has in it’s half century.

        2. Show me the bills people like amash compromised on. He just voted no. He dismissed 3 steps towards liberty because of his “principles”.

          1. I am interested in specific examples because I do not recall them. What are the three bills that Amash rejected that could have advanced liberty?

        3. been tried…. didn’t work.

          Yeah - keep voting for JO. Let us know how that turns out. In order for her to increase her voting base, she had to adopt some ... marxist thinking. Not very libertarian. Looks like you guys compromise after all.

          1. you keep saying “marxist” without any rational justification.

            1. This pretty much sums it up:

              Jo Jorgensen
              @Jorgensen4POTUS
              ·
              Jul 10
              It is not enough to be passively not racist, we must be actively anti-racist.

              #BlackLivesMatter #VoteGold
              Jo Jorgensen
              @Jorgensen4POTUS
              ·
              Jul 10
              #BlackLivesMatter means standing in solidarity with a mourning black community as we fight together to end qualified immunity, police brutality, sentencing disparities, and the war on drugs, not support of any “organization” by that name.
              Replies

              Blake
              @cakeshaman
              Jul 10
              Replying to
              @Jorgensen4POTUS
              Andddddd, I’m out.

              https://blog.simplejustice.us/2020/07/13/do-you-anti-racist/

              Andddd... I'm out too for Jorgensen. She's pro BLM. BLM is a organization established by marxists (they literally say this) and leverage political correctness (race hustling) for gains and other people's expense (marxism).

              Don't know what else to tell you.

              1. you are a fucking retard.

                1. A "libertarian" demanding we must be "actively anti-racist."
                  You're a fucking retard.

    2. so….. voting for a libertarian, when they have no serious chance of winning, does not in any way say anything about a person’s core beliefs?

      1. Your core beliefs are authoritarian in nature. If you dont get 100% of what you want you simply go home. The only way your beliefs work is if everyone agrees with 100% of your beliefs. You dismiss the guy who agreed with 80%.you have failed principles. Your principles only work if everyone else agrees to them. You fail to recognize humans are diverse and have a varying set of beliefs that have to be compromised with when it comes to government. Youre no better than a devoted communist.

        1. Me: “Hey I’d like to buy a car.”
          Car Salesman: “Okay, we have this lovely new model right over here.”
          Me: “But it only has three wheels, is lacking a door, and has no speedometer.”
          Car Salesman: “Well, you can’t get everything you want now, can you? You have to compromise. You have most of a car, right? Why don’t you take what you can get?”

          1. Jeff thinks government is like a car. Jeff is an idiot. Government is an agreed to set of rules that a plurality of people compromise for. The government is not yours. It is not mine.

            Thank you for proving idealists are authoritarian.

            Likewise you are a globalist anyways. You’d prefer someone else far removed from the car dealership to choose your car for you.

            1. the only thing more comical than you clowns trying to pretend people not voting for trump are “authoritarian” is when you clowns try to pretend he is in any way libertarian. compromise is not accepting complete and utter garbage and pretending it is even remotely what you want.

          2. Did you actually think that was a reasonable analogy?

          3. Panhandler: “Hey, buddy…can you spare $100?”
            Me: “No, but I have $20 I’ll gladly give you.”
            Panhandler: “No thanks. $100 or nothing at all.”

            No compromises.

          4. Me: “Hey I’d like to buy a car.”
            Car Salesman: “Okay, we have this lovely new model right over here.”
            Me: “But it only has three wheels, is lacking a door, and has no speedometer.”
            Car Salesman: “Well, you can’t get everything you want now, can you? You have to compromise. You have most of a car, right? Why don’t you take what you can get?”

            Stupid response. Your analogy is garbage. You aren't buying a car. It's more like you are voting on one with your family. Your wife wants a van, but you don't want a van. Your kids want LCD's in the back for entertainment. You wanted a truck. So instead, you decided not to vote, and your family bought a POS vastly overpriced vehicle with 231,000 miles that is a van and has LCDs in the back anyways. Good job Jeff. Way to not vote, and way to not compromise. You just grumpily took your ball and went home. Hope you enjoy the result.

            231,000 mile overpriced POS van = Harris/Biden administration.

        2. YOU DISMISSED THE PARTY THAT 100% SUPPORTS FREEDOM.

          *You* did this. 80 per cent freedom is still 20 percent freedom.

          Sometimes you have to put your fucking foot down and say ‘no, *you* move’.

          Instead you want us to cower and submit to incrementally more authoritarianism. You are as authoritarian as the people you keep claiming are.

          And it’s not ‘authoritarian’ to take my ball and go home if I don’t want to deal with you any more.

          1. Sometimes you have to put your fucking foot down and say ‘no, *you* move’.

            LOL. 1% man. The one that moves is you. And in case you hadn't noticed, the democrats and republicans have been ruling your life, and there is not a damn you can do about it. They say sit, and you sit. They say wag your tail, and you wag your tail.
            They say take a shit on yourself, and you shit all over yourself.
            Want to know why? Because you the one that moves is you. Like it or not. You are the one moving. Which one are you going to move for? I'm sorry. But that is your only decision.

            #Reality

  5. So is Scott Walker right to imply Jorgensen helped flip Wisconsin to Biden?

    No. Trump flipped Wisconsin to Biden.

    1. Agreed.

    2. Well that and the election irregularities & statistical anomalies you leftists refuse to acknowledge. Last semi-honest election was 2016.

      1. No no. Reason libertarians must accept the decisions of the state and media and not question anything. That is the true libertarian way.

        1. Let me fix that for you:

          Reason libertarians must accept reality and not buy into crazy conspiracy theories. That is the proper libertarian way.

          1. You just proved what I said. Thank you. You have dismissed many statistical anomalous because your preferred globalist won. You don’t even have an interest in auditing the election to figure out why the anomalies exist or how to protect possible fraud in the future. Your betters have told you to blindly accept it. The easy obese path to life.

            1. You just proved what I said. Thank you.

              Exactly! You played Jeff like a flute. You said they would blindly accept it. Then Jeff retorts and refutes this by... blindly accepting it. LOL.

        2. That’s basically what you’ve been saying we are supposed to do this whole thread.

        3. No no. Reason libertarians must accept the decisions of the state and media and not question anything. That is the true libertarian way.

          LOL! ROFL

      2. Why 2016? Because Trump stole the election from Hillary?

        1. No, silly. It’s because in 2016, HIS candidate won, even if the margins of victory were similarly small.

          2016: Trump wins Michigan by 13,080 votes. FAIR ELECTION
          2020: Biden wins Michigan by 154,188 votes. MASSIVE FRAUD

          1. When did trump or the media ever try to kill any analysis or audit of the 2016 election?

            1. Almost from the start. We knew that Russians had been interfering, but Trump would not acknowledge that fact because it was his great victory. The only difference in 2016 was we had evidence of the Russian interference and in 2020 we have accusations with out evidence.

              1. Almost from the start. We knew that Russians had been interfering
                And the Canadians, and the Irish, and the Panamanians… Every country on earth “interferes” at that level.

                $150,000 in internet ads, that’s worth 7 fucking seconds of primetime airspace. That’s it. That’s what you lying, xenophobic, cold-warrior fucks rodeoed on for the last four years. I bet the UK spent 10 times that.

                1. Look we can argue about what the Russians did but even you acknowledged that they interfered. That the difference in 2020 we have no evidence of fraud, we did as you acknowledged have interference in 2016.

                  1. I don’t see how such “interference” is not protected by the first amendment. Congress isn’t allowed to limit the speech of foreigners any more than that of US citizens.

                  2. $150,000 isn’t interference you stupid fuck.

                  3. Look we can argue about what the Russians did

                    Well, given that what the Russians did was the entire point of your post….

    3. This is such a retarded take only sophists make it.

    4. No the dnc disenfranchising the green party flipped wisconson

  6. So… one percent is “the libertarian moment?” Some libertarian ballot initiatives (like legalizing pot) do very well while the LP does very poorly. The “game-is-rigged” two-party duopoly is a big reason big “L” candidates fare poorly, but there’s another reason. Some libertarians–particularly LP party members–are condescending, pedantic jerks. It’s the “I can get behind some of the ideas but what a bunch of assholes” response. Libertarians… so busy being right that they can’t bother to worry about being popular.

    1. Good you mentioned that libertarian ideas did carry through on several state referendum. This would be a area for libertarians to look into more thoroughly. In Wisconsin, we lack a binding referendum and I would like to see one enacted. We have a lot of popular ideas that get stopped in our legislature.

      1. A fellow Wisconsinite in pain I see

      2. And yet you claim these same people voted for a man promising to undo that in the same election. Or was that the ballots with nothing but Biden filled in? Your cognitive dissonance doesn’t surprise me leftists like you are both crazy and evil demanding we all suffer in their marxists hell together.

        1. People did not vote for a man who would undo things, they voted against Trump. We have had this discussion before, there are lots of conservative mind people out there who vote Democrat because the Republican treat them like dirt.

      3. Tbey weren’t libertarian ideas at this point. They had been absorbed by the two parties naturally due to societal pressure. Lobertarians had Jack shit to do with it. Youre too stupid to realize this.

        1. Geez, the hard-right Trumpertarians are getting nastier and nastier. Must be sensing the end is near.

    2. Mostly it’s the perception that a third party candidate “can’t win”, based on early polling that shows them far behind, based on name recognition. Then the LP candidate never gets enough free media and can’t afford to buy enough paid media to make up the difference.

      Ross Perot was the last 3rd party candidate with an actual chance to break through the 2-party stranglehold, but they quickly raised the bipartisan debate qualification threshold from 5% to 15% to avoid a repeat. Gary Johnson was a very well qualified and somewhat well known candidate who polled at 8% early on in 2016 and ended up at 3%. Would a debate invite have increased that? Certainly, but not by much — Johnson would rank behind previous LP candidates like Ron Paul, Michael Badnarik and Harry Browne in debate skills.

      I wouldn’t say Jorgensen earned 1% of the vote. I suspect “Generic LP Candidate” won 1% of the vote, since the media almost entirely ignored Jorgensen. Still, that’s an improvement over the historic 0.4% average.

  7. “…roughly 1 percent of the electorate who dependably vote Libertarian are neither latent Republicans nor closet Democrats but, well, libertarians…”

    Interesting litmus test you got there, so how does Reason’s staff score on it??? Sounds like you just outed the publication as a “closet democrat” magazine.

  8. Whatever happened to reason at Reason?

    Matt Welch is a Democrat who pretends to be a mathematically challenged libertarian.

    1. This is the stupidest article I’ve ever read by Matt Welch. Any ten year old with basic math skills could pointed out the nonsense in his absurd argument.

  9. Jo Jorgensen was the only Presidential Candidate to hold a campaign rally in my city, Madison. I appreciate that fact.

    There is a real flux out there and a good time for libertarians to recruit. I don’t expect them to replace a major party in my life time but it would be nice to see some inroads made here. Keep the focus local and they could make progress.

    1. considering that democrats were anti immigration and the GOP loved it just 30yrs ago, things can change faster than you think.

      1. The gop loved legal immigration, not illegal. Democrats pushed the 86 amnesty based on compromise to strengthen immigration enforcement, they lied as they usually do. The gop has never had a platform of illegal immigration.

        Some of you are pretty damn ignorant.

        1. Jeb Bush, 2014:

          “The way I look at this is someone who comes to our country because they couldn’t come legally … and they crossed the border because they had no other means to work, to be able to provide for their family, yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony.

          “It’s an act of love, it’s an act of commitment to your family.

          Bush, 61, added: “I honestly think that that is a different kind of crime. There should be a price paid, but it shouldn’t rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families.”

          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-bush/jeb-bush-says-illegal-immigration-often-an-act-of-love-idUSBREA350P620140406

          He’s saying that illegal immigration is not a big deal. It was Trump that stoked the nativist xenophobic fires and turned illegal immigration into this raging culture war issue.

          1. He literally called it a crime in your posted statement…..

        2. Here is Reagan in *1984* proclaiming his support for amnesty for illegal immigrants.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfHKIq5z80U&ab_channel=BillGeorge

          Reagan did not have to be talked into some compromise for amnesty. He supported it from the get-go. It is a complete myth that Reagan was somehow duped or tricked into supporting amnesty.

          1. Holy shit. You don’t even know what the 86 compromise actually was. What Reagan actually pushed for in negotiations. I can’t help stupid Jeff. I get that you have so much cognitive dissonance built up that you refuse the reality of the legislation. But God damn man. Taking small public speeches and ignoring the text of the actual bills and legislation. Holy fuck man.

            1. you are so comically misinformed. this is from the 1996 democratic platform:

              “Today’s Democratic Party also believes we must remain a nation of laws. We cannot tolerate illegal immigration and we must stop it. For years before Bill Clinton became President, Washington talked tough but failed to act. In 1992, our borders might as well not have existed. The border was under-patrolled, and what patrols there were, were under-equipped. Drugs flowed freely. Illegal immigration was rampant. Criminal immigrants, deported after committing crimes in America, returned the very next day to commit crimes again.”

              i know you were either very young or not yet born, but your opinion of the past is flat out wrong. 30yrs ago, republicans were the ones who had pushed for amnesty and who supported increased immigration and democrats were the ones talking about border control and “criminal immigrants.” of course, not all the racists had switched from blue to red yet at that point.

              1. of course, not all the racists had switched from blue to red yet at that point.

                Blue or Red - What's the matter? You have a problem with free association? Not really a libertarian?

                1. STFU, troll.

                  1. So... you are against freedom of association or not? Are you sure you are a libertarian? Sure sounds like no. I am a republican and I sound more libertarian than you.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

                    1. you sound like a troll.

                    2. So, restricting freedom of movement promotes freedom of association? That’s a new one. Obviously, you’re a Republican.

                    3. So, restricting freedom of movement promotes freedom of association? That’s a new one.

                      I didn't say anything about freedom of movement. So... I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

                      Obviously, you’re a Republican.

                      I didn't say anything about freedom of movement. I didn't make any connection between freedom of movement and freedom of association. So obviously you have a problem, and it may be a reading comprehension one. If you want I can make a connection for you. Here it is: If you think that foreigners are entitled to freedom of movement from their nation to our nation with no regard whatsoever to "we the people" of our nation and our decided rate and criteria for who, where, and when arrives, you are not a libertarian, you are an anarchist.

                    4. you sound like a troll.

                      You sound like someone who is avoiding answering my question.

    2. It is amazing how all the cosplay libertarians here are all from the deepest blue of cities.

      1. well, a moderate in Madison is someone who thinks exile was sufficient for Trotsky, he did not have to be killed.

    3. The LP could replace the Repubs in California. Neither party has a chance, and the LP platform is a better fit for Californians.

  10. Would the Romans consider 1% deserving of a triumph or a decimation?

    1. Hey, an automatic boost to 11%!

  11. hahahaha

    With no name recognition, no money, and no media

    Huh, too bad Reason was powerless to help with name recognition and media, if only there was something they could’ve done… Ah well.
    Not that I even really care, she was a bad candidate and I had zero interest in her or her campaign, but for a supposed libertarian magazine you’d think they’d do way more to pump up the LP candidate. To act like they give a shit now is so disingenuous.

    1. One of her phone bank people called me racist for asking about why she came out as anti racist, a core CRT description. He was ignorant of what the movement was and claimed anyone against CRT was racist. Good work Jo.

      1. Guess they didn’t want your vote that bad.

  12. Also fuck you Welch.

  13. i think the important aspect is the perception that we were a potential spoiler in several states. as is pointed out, it isn’t really true. (most would not have voted at all, and some would have voted biden.) but, as long as the perception is out there, we are a threat…. and the only way to deal with that threat is to win the voters back. they have reached the maximum benefit they can get by shaming our voters….. those who voted for Jorgensen don’t give a shit how you feel about it….. which means if they want any hope of getting more voters back, they will have to pay attention to what we want. this is how the democrats were forced to effectively become the green party….. one perceived spoiler impact in 2000…

    of course, the fight is not yet over, because the changes necessary in both parties are monumental and not easily made with such vigorous bases undermining them.

    1. which means if they want any hope of getting more voters back, they will have to pay attention to what we want.

      Never going to happen. Accepting your 1% into our party ideology kicks out 5-10% of moderates within our party. Which means we aren't getting your voters back. Which means we don't give a shit what you want, and we likely will not pay attention to you. And honestly, you guys don't give a shit what you want either, which is why you voted for Jorgensen. You voted for Jorgensen, and instead of getting handed a gross stinky 4 day old chicken salad sandwich, you get to eat a socialist shit sandwich with literal shit all over it. Enjoy.

  14. Does Welch believe (or care) about any of this? Are these just conversation starters for the next round of D.C cocktail parties?

    1. Boy does he miss those.
      The refined air, being introduced as the socio-political token, the worried looks turning into happy relief when the magic words “Actually I hate conservatives too” are said, the toasting to Kamala “long may she reign”, the bisexual key-party afterwards…

      Thank goodness the plot succeeded and the pandemic can now be over.

  15. I did a little follow-up metrics on Jo Jorgensen in Wisconsin. She got 1.2% of the vote ranging from 0.10% to 1.70% across the counties. In Counties won by Biden she got 1.14% of vote on average and for those won by Trump 1.09%. Her maximum in Trump counties was 1.7% compared to 1.6% in Biden counties. In my own Dane county (very liberal) she got 1.1%.

    I would say that she got pretty uniform acceptance across the state and likely did not hinder either major party candidate.

    1. In my own Dane county (very liberal) she got 1.1%

      For a Madison libertarian, libertarianism is a way of announcing that you’re a contrarian, but that you’re socially left and totally cool with the way that sex and drugs works for the American upper-middle class elite.

  16. We’re calling 1% a triumph” now? BWAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. Jorgensen campaign helped cement the L.P.’s decadelong transformation into the third party in the United States.

    1. No she didn’t

    2. Libertarianism isn’t a political party

    3. The LP isn’t often very libertarian (bake the fucking cake)

    4. The libertarian party usually elects leaders who are aspiring or washed-up career politicians looking for a foothold

    5. JoJo is as libertarian as Trump, who’s only 50% libertarian at best.

  18. If not for Jorgensen I would not have voted at all.

    The idea that my vote would otherwise go to Trump, or to Biden, is offensive to me.

    Not that I am a huge fan of Jorgensen. I found her lukewarm and meh. A milquetoast compromise between the pragmatists and purists. But she would still have shrunk the size and scope of government if elected. No one else on the ballot could say that. Not even Kanye.

    1. or to Biden

      Hahahahhaa… you amazing liar.

      1. Your mother is lamenting what I did to her last night.

        1. ^cringe comment award^

          1. When butthurt is all you have in your rhetorical arsenal you get cringey.

  19. Went camping with some mostly prog friends the weekend after the election and one of them was saying how a libertarian college friend of hers who lives in Wisconsin had voted for Jo Jo instead of Joe, and they were now considering de-friending her because of this. I was like “your candidate won, so why does it matter?” Thats how these people think

    1. it has become unfortunately common…… the tribalism is out of control.

      1. It’s not tribalism.

        It’s the realization that life is too short to waste on people who openly admit they’re too stupid to share your values.

        1. you mean the values of your chosen tribe…… tribalism…..

      2. it has become unfortunately common…… the tribalism is out of control.

        I got into it with a long time friend of mine (Bernie bro) of 20 some odd years. I was very polite and cordial about it (unlike my savage treatment of you) and he stopped talking to me. Been about 7 months now. I have tried many times to talk to him. But apparently, I am cancelled. But this is how the left acts really. Snowflake sensitivity squad. I could trade philosophical blows with him all day, all week, and enjoy it. The second he got challenged, emotionally, politically, ideologically, philosophically, existentially, he shut down, never to return. This is part of the reason there is such tribalism. A large faction simply doesn't want to hear you out! Too thin skinned. Fucking baby soft skin.

  20. The reality is that the Libertarian Party needs to run a Presidential candidate for Ballot Access reasons. Growth at the local level is where the libertarian movement will make it’s gains.

    The trick is gaining enough attention to spread the message from the corporate media who willingly and deliberately ignore the Libertarian candidates and libertarian ideas.

    Unfortunately there are those in the Libertarian Party and libertarian movement who have delusions of grandeur believing that there can be no compromise on anything. The problem is that there are not enough citizens who share their views down to the minute details.

    Many of these non-compromising types then avoid voting out of principle. I however feel that Rome was not built in a day and will not be dismantled in a day either.

    Jo Jorgensen was not the perfect candidate, however she was light years better than any other candidate. My litmus test is will the candidate improve the situation and move us towards a more libertarian government.

  21. Liberaltarians have been getting one percent for a long time. So what. It’s a protest vote but otherwise makes no difference. Biden will be president unfortunately because he’s going to hand out free money and stuff to otherwise shitfaced Americans too stupid to realize they’ve been taken over by neo communists.

    1. Americans have been getting free shit from both major parties for a long time. Biden won because the dems convinced enough voters that Trump is the antichrist.

  22. I don’t understand the hate for Jo. She was the best libertarian presidential candidate in decades. Her platform includes extremely libertarian positions such as pardoning EVERY SINGLE inmate convicted of non-violent victimless crimes.

    Her platform and policies were the most truly libertarian I’ve seen in a long time. Yeah she paid some lip service to BLM but she was not a woke stalinist.

    1. When both major candidates suck as badly as Trump and Biden do, there has to be someone to blame for their lackluster performance at the polls. The dems blamed Nader in 2000, in 2016, they could equally blame Jill Stein or GayJay, but this time it was Jo since she was the only third party candidate to get a significant number of votes. I have never seen the hate heaped on third party candidates from the GOP that I do from the dems.

    2. It’s funny listening to the people telling me I needed to compromise and vote for Trump also telling me that I shouldn’t compromise and vote for Jorgeson or Johnson because they’re not libertarian enough.

      1. ^ thank you, this is the perfect way to phrase it. I will be using this in the future.

        1. Shilling for marxism should be a deal breaker for anyone who cares about liberty, but I don’t know much about woke collectivist libertarianism so maybe I’m missing something.

          1. But calling for banning firearms and threatening to kill people who choose to do business with politically unfavored companies over favored ones is ok?

      2. Also HaHa! 1% of the vote? Pathetic.

        Ohmigawd! You just handed the election to Biden!!!111!!

        Pick one.

  23. What other national party gathers three times as many votes as it has registered voters? Clearly, many of those votes are simply “protest” votes and not votes for libertarian policies. Because it is on more ballots, the LP becomes the protest vote of choice for many who decide to vote and hate both major party candidates. Absent the LP, who really knows how its voters would split between GOP and Dems.

    1. The dnc after the see how many votes the gop gets?

  24. I say we wait until January before we evaluate the style points on the end-zone dance.

  25. In what world is getting 1% a “triumph “? Please change the name of your website from “Reason” to “Deluded”

  26. I wonder how many of the Republicans who insist Jorgensen “spoiled” the election and in effect elected Biden also firmly believe the Democrats cheated in the election.

    Because if the Democrats did cheat, Jorgensen made no difference at all. If the Democrats would have needed, say, an additional 10,000 votes in a given state to cover the libertarians who voted Trump instead of Jorgensen, I’m sure they would have “found” them.

    1. b-b-b-but muh Dominion … and, like Venezuelans, and shit…

    2. Right.
      I think libertarians who voted for Jorgensen did so for shallow, petty, partisan groupthink reasons, but I don’t think they would’ve been enough to stop the fraud.

  27. There’s nothing impressive about Jorgenson’s total at all. There’s no way to spin 1.2% of the vote as anything but abject failure. She raised 3 million? That was a waste of 3 million dollars.

    There is no way that Jorgenson voters would have gone to Trump in sufficient numbers to change the outcome, of that I have no doubt. But the important measure is how many libertarians voted for Trump and Biden, not how many voted for Jorgenson. Only then will you realize that Jorgenson finished third amongst libertarian voters, and that’s truly dismal.

  28. Got news for you. Jo Jorgensen got us Joe Biden unless lawsuits paren out. Democrat’s in power are not even remotely good news for libertarians.

  29. Worst article ever……..I guess that if those voters had gone to Trump , his winning the state would be no big deal, but a crummy libertarian, who does not seem very libertarian, causing the democrats to win is not worth a mention.

    Reason used to be a great magazine, these days I must hold my nose to renew my subscription

  30. The libertarian politicians get paid with stolen money, too.
    “The measure of the state’s success is that the word anarchy frightens people, while the word state does not.” – Joseph Sobran

  31. I voted for Jo because my state was always gonna go to Biden. I wish more people in safe states would go third party to the point where they wouldn’t be safe. Then candidates would have to appeal to a broader set of voters instead of the same small group of undecideds in the same swing states.
    Or we could get rid of the electoral college and senate so every vote counted equally. I know Cons get a hard on for the 600,000 hicks in Wyoming putting Lummis and Barrasso in the Senate, but it would also mean Vermont couldn’t put Leahy and Bernie in the Senate.
    If our presidential candidates didn’t have to appeal to the same redneck undecided trash in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio we would maybe get better candidates. Heck maybe an actual libertarian could get significant votes.

  32. It’s been amusing, if a bit sad, to observe Reason’s decline over the decades into its current form of self-parody.

    Keep trying to lure in progs, though. I really see it working.

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