Election 2020

The 2020 Election Results Look Like a Massive Rebuke of Socialism

A Biden presidency and a GOP Senate could keep the left out of power for years.

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Summarizing the key lessons that Democrats should take away from election results that were much less favorable than expected, Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D–Va.) reportedly told fellow members of her caucus during a conference call on Thursday that they shouldn't say the word socialism "ever again."

This would be good policy advice, whether or not it's good political advice. But as it turns out, socialism is looking like a major political loser this election cycle, with the specter of it likely costing former Vice President Joe Biden his chance at winning Florida. Indeed, this could be a rough couple of years for progressives: A Biden presidency coupled with a Republican-controlled Senate—an outcome that is far from certain, but gaining some degree of likelihood—would make it almost impossible for Democrats to push through the structural changes (such as D.C. statehood or an expansion of the Supreme Court) that could allow the left to take power.

This is something of a reversal of fortunes. For democratic socialists, the 2020 election cycle began with great promise; the hard left had not one but two ardently progressive primary candidates in Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), the latter of whom had shown auspicious resilience against Hillary Clinton in 2016. There had also been small, encouraging signs in the years between then and now: the surprise election of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) in 2018, the success of socialist magazines and podcasts, the increasing salience of issues like economic inequality and Medicare for All, the formation of "the Squad."

But neither Warren nor Sanders could overcome Biden, the candidate who had worked hardest to put serious distance between himself and the term socialist. If anything, Biden needed to work even harder at this, since President Donald Trump's reelection campaign was able to tie Democrats to Latin American socialism in the minds of some Florida voters, leading to a surprisingly good showing for Trump among Latino—and particularly Cuban—voters.

Progressives often operate under the assumption that their failure to win elections is a result of malfeasance: More democracy, more activism, and more turnout will produce the broad mandate they need to enact change. They also assume that an increasingly racially diverse electorate will override the white voters who don't support fundamental, revolutionary changes to the economy. But the 2020 results are casting doubt on both of these beliefs: Trump is on track to have the GOP's best showing among minorities in decades, and while he will indeed lose the popular vote to Biden, the unusually high turnout did not lend itself to any sort of blue wave.

Not all of the results are in yet, and it's possible that subsequent election-related developments could change the outlook for progressives. But a GOP-controlled Senate will kill any chances of big, lofty, leftist legislation. The Senate could vote down Biden's judicial picks, and they could thwart liberal Cabinet nominees. Warren's bid for Treasury Secretary will be dead in the water.

"The Biden presidency will be doomed to failure before it starts," writes New York magazine's Eric Levitz, who correctly notes that progressives are on the brink of catastrophe.

Democrats are clearly unhappy with this result, and many blame the excesses of the left for putting them in such a position.

"Democrats' messaging is terrible; it doesn't resonate," Rep. Kurt Schrader (D–Ore.), a moderate Blue Dog Democrat, told The Washington Post. "When [voters] see the far left that gets all the news media attention, they get scared. They're very afraid that this will become a supernanny state, and their ability to do things on their own is going to be taken away."

Former Missouri Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill, now a commentator for MSNBC, told viewers on Wednesday she was worried that far-left positions on issues were scaring potential voters away. Her remarks drew a rebuke from Ocasio-Cortez, who said McCaskill's loss in 2016 means she's no expert on winning elections. (McCaskill might have responded that AOC's own victory in an inner-city House district hardly confers a great deal of political expertise.)

Even some progressives think it's in the party's best interest to at the very least stop using the word socialism. 

"I think Republicans did get some traction trying to scare people on this 'socialist narrative,'" Rep. Jared Huffman (D–Calif.), a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told The Washington Post. "What's the point of embracing a phrase like that?"

If a large number of Democrats actually absorbed this message, it would be icing on the cake. Right now, it appears that some of the worst impulses of both parties have been checked, and the next administration will take office with neither a mandate nor an ability to enact transformational economic policy changes.

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  1. Biden winning the nomination had nothing tk do with distencing from the term socialist. He could have stayed hidden away in a bunker and win the nomination.

    1. Why, in your opinion, did Biden win the nomination then?

      1. To quote that great vote manufacturer LBJ; he stole the election fair and square. He agreed to be the candidate, and have a final moment of glory, in exchange for shutting up after the steal and letting the blatant socialist Kween Kamala actually run things.

        (It amazes me the number of people who think the democrats are stupid enough to steal the presidency without also stealing a senate majority)

        1. He’ll do as he’s told for a couple of years lest the incredible corruption he has been involved in for his entire career he suddenly “leaked” to a suddenly interested press and then he will be removed (via resignation or the 25th amendment) so that Heels can take over.

          She gets 10 years and then whoever the Dem machine designates comes in for another 8. We may not see another President who is not a Dem for at least two decades.

          1. No, I think losing the Senate means they will let Biden keep the blame for the failure to get much done. Harris doesn’t want any part of that. Her idea of hard work has nothing to do with compromising with Republicans.

            That’s one problem all California Democrats are going to have — they have such absolute control of their home state that they don’t know how to work with Republicans, especially when the Republicans have a majority.

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              2. The 2020 Election Results Look Like a Massive Rebuke of SocialismJ

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          3. They won’t need corruption claims as a pretense to use 25A to remove Biden. They can just leave him in front of a hot mic for 35 minutes of Q&A after a presser and they’ll have enough support to take his finger off “the button”.

            1. Hahaha. Indeed! But the libs seem quite alright with his feebleness because he’s so malleable he makes Gumby look like wooden.

              1. No. The libs have Kamala in the backup position for a reason. That’s been their plan all along.

                What will Reason be saying about President Harris?

            2. They can just leave him in front of a hot mic for 35 minutes of Q&A after a presser and they’ll have enough support to take his finger off “the button”.

              Hot mic or cold teleprompter.

          4. “”so that Heels can take over.””

            Being single digits in the primary, it’s the only way should could get in.

          5. I don’t know. I remember reading about the Republican party being dead and defeated during the Obama years. I think it will continue to be back and forth.

            1. yeah, the Dems are too woke for their own good now. if Trump weren’t despised for his personality and smeared for his handling of the pandemic, it would have been a crushing defeat for the Democrats.

              1. I think you are right. It was another election where the awfulness of the candidates was a main factor.

            2. I also remember talk of a permanent republican majority in the early 2000s. How did that work out? Things change in unexpected ways.

              1. IDK, IIRC the ‘Republican Majority’ and ‘Moral Majority’ were used interchangeably and considering we elected Joe ‘Dear Colleagues’ Biden, if the ‘Republican Majority’ faultered, the ‘Moral(izing) Majority’ doesn’t seem to have lost any real steam.

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        2. The question was about the primary election. Ie, why did Biden win the nomination over Sanders and Warren? Even democrat voters, nationally, aren’t willing to support out-and-proud socialism That’s a good thing.

          Maybe step away from the conspiracy theories for a little while.

          1. You really do deserve all the horrible things that are about to happen to you.
            The rest of us don’t, but you don’t really give a shit about anyone but yourself.

            1. So how long, exactly, before Biden/Harris drags America by its short hairs into a totalitarian socialist hellscape? The first 100 days? The first year? By the mid-terms?

              If you’re going to be ballsy enough to predict an extinction-level crisis for the Republic, you should at least give a vague timeline so that you can receive the credit or ridicule you deserve when that time comes, no?

              1. Do they have the Senate? And what are you defining as hellhole?

                Assuming they have the Senate, the following will happen within the first term:
                The filibuster will be done away with.

                A registration scheme will be proposed for all semiautomatic rifles and magazines over 10 rounds. If they’re really frisky, they’ll throw in handguns too. Licensure, mandatory education classes, insurance, and storage to follow. You can still hunt, don’t worry. (Until some hapless pol loses their head, then ‘sniper rifles’ll be gone too.)

                Re-entry into the Paris Accord. Prohibition on fracking on federal lands. Shooting the EPA full of testosterone and encouraging enforcement actions against the petrochemical industry. Initial plans for carbon limits.

                Moving to allow greater protection for social media companies to ban hate speech.

                Expanding the Supreme Court to bring it in line with other Circuits (15 Justices). Adding several new Circuits to aid with case backlogs.

                Do I need to keep going?

                1. A registration scheme will be proposed for all semiautomatic rifles and magazines over 10 rounds. If they’re really frisky, they’ll throw in handguns too. Licensure, mandatory education classes, insurance, and storage to follow. You can still hunt, don’t worry. (Until some hapless pol loses their head, then ‘sniper rifles’ll be gone too.)

                  They can propose all of those but I suspect the newly balanced Supreme Court may have a problem with a couple of them should they be enacted. Not unlike the Supreme Court had a problem with poll taxes and would likely have a problem with mandatory education classes in order to exercise free speech. After all, we know that much done in the name of “free speech”, apparently due to a lack of education, such as attacking officers, rioting, burning buildings, blocking roadways without permits, and looting is not protected by the the First Amendment. We also know that criminal homicide using a firearm is not protected by the Second Amendment. Therefore, education and proof of skill in exercising both rights would be “reasonable” (all we want, of course, is “reasonable speech control”).

                  Expanding the Supreme Court to bring it in line with other Circuits (15 Justices).

                  I think the Democrats will need more than mere “control” of the House and Senate to expand and pack the court. Not all Democratic members of the House and Senate are from deep blue states and some would probably like to be reelected in the next election. As well, some would find it unseemly and/or recognize that the benefit would be short lived — just until the next time the Republicans controlled the both the Legislative and and Executive branches (or until 3/4 of the states decided a constitutional convention was in order).

                  1. Not all Democratic members of the House and Senate are from deep blue states and some would probably like to be reelected in the next election.

                    4-6 new Democratic senators and a supermajority Democratic SCOTUS to not only control districting after the 2020 census but also ensure fraudulent mail-in voting in perpetuity will assuage all of those concerns. That’s if they bother with even the pretense of elections. They’ll probably wait until the 2nd term to suspend them.

                    1. They will never do away with elections. As their hero said, “What matters is who counts the votes.”

                  2. Newly balanced Court? It’s 6-3 now (maybe 5-4). After the Dems add 6 more Justices it’ll be 9-6.

                2. No. You’re scaring the crap out of me.

              2. the Dems gave a 12 year timeline until the Earth became an uninhabitable hellscape. only 10 years to go, good thing we’re getting back in the Paris accords and enacting the Green Raw Deal.

          2. Even the people who have kept Bernie from needing to contribute to society for a living don’t actually want to live with the kinds of policies he’s been flogging for decades.

            State-level single-payer health care fell apart in Vermont when they honestly told the people there what kind of taxes would be needed to cover the tab for it.

            In CA, that concept didn’t even make it that far. The State Senators (who all have districts gerrymandered to ensure they’re only taken out of office by term limits or death) weren’t willing to get on the record with even talking about the projected costs of the single-payer plan that the State Assembly passed with a huge majority, and that one didn’t include Newsom’s idea of offering full coverage to illegal immigrants as well as legal residents.

            1. California’s in a bind — the state employee pension obligations will keep them from enacting any state level socialist utopia healthcare or high speed train systems, unless they get a federal bailout

            2. Hey, hey, hey.

              We DON’T have “illegal immigrants” in CA anymore. No, no, no.

              They all left. And utopia was founded.

              Now we only have “undocumented workers”. That’s easily fixed with a simple piece of paper; a document.

              Words matter. And, the press has become the purveyor of euphemisms to try and move their agenda forward at every turn.

          3. Sanders and Warren split the socialist vote while Biden hung in. Then when everyone else dropped out, Warren bailed so she would get a plum post in the Biden Admin.

            1. And Biden won Super Tuesday on name recognition from low information voters.

        3. (It amazes me the number of people who think the democrats are stupid enough to steal the presidency without also stealing a senate majority)

          (Not defintively saying they stole it but…) Stealing them both in the same election gets you caught. Stealing one and then the other is just another political cycle. 2 yrs. of ‘obstructionist Republicans’ and Reason explaining how we should just be grateful that AOC didn’t get elected, and then step on the clutch and put the fraud machine back into high gear.

        4. Having watched Kamala in politics for 25 years, I don’t think she’s a socialist.

          At least not at the expense of losing an election.

          She’s say what she needs to say to get nominated, and then do what she needs to do to get re-elected.

          She spent decades getting fucked, and now it’s her turn to do the fucking. She’s not going to waste that opportunity on ideology. She’s gonna get rich.

          1. I agree that she’s not really a socialist herself.

            She does seem to be highly authoritarian (at least in the scenario where she’s the one holding the power of the State), and likely to embrace the agenda of “the Squad”, maybe with an extra dose of cronyism worked into it.

            The end result might not be too far off from what it would be if she were a true-believing Maoist whose idea of “scripture” is the LRB. At least she’s not likely to have the tools available to actually “pack” the USSC. Even if the Senate ends up 50-50, there’s got to be at least a couple of Dems in there who realize that either party starting down that road is the real “existential threat” to the viability of the republic that the left has acted as if every GOP candidate for office in this century has represented.

            1. As a woman of color herself, and of an older generation, Kamala Harris will indeed be an interesting foil for the “Squad.”

              The Bernie/socialist/twitter/ChapoTrapHouse revolution may actually be in large part a media creation, drawing audience and accolades. Whoever’s driving that bus knows what a lot of people want to hear. But that’s not the scene that was in play when Harris started in politics, it’s not her milieu now and I think she can get by with or without it. When she was running for CA Attorney General I think the left called her a conservative. As VP, it would brainfry the identitarians when she contradicts AOC/Omar. I think Pressley and possibly Tlaib will quietly realign themselves. And she lived in the Bay Area for years. She’s lived and breathed that Left and I think she may be smarter on the whole.

              If she and Biden can get savvy smart people into the cabinet, they can start restaffing the important agencies like the state department and everything else, and generally reattach some of the wheels.

              After decades in DC, Biden knows where the bodies are buried and Harris probably has similar dirt on the left.

              1. And don’t forget, she grew up in Berzerkeley the city that founded the Free Speech movement. During the heart of the movement.

                #speechain’treallyfreeinBerkeley

                P.S. I can see Berkeley from my back yard. ;-(

        5. I wouldn’t want to be Biden right now, he’s a dead man walking. He’ll have a “stroke” one night. Hell he might not make it to the 20th!

        6. If Benson’s Law holds for fraud, a cursory evaluation may show Biden won the primary through fraud.

        7. Most Americans don’t know the difference between communism and socialism. Communism is the worse, everything being owned by the state. The latter, socialism, advocates only those services necessary to support a decent human life to be provided by the government, these include energy, health care and college education to name a few. Socialism does not advocate ownership of commerce. However, Trump the chump and his so called captains of capitalism who have been in bed with the commies in China for decades not, having shipped factories and American jobs to there to benefit from virtual teenage slave labor, have managed to convince ignorant Americans that socialism is worse or equal to communism. So while the mass ignorants of America accept being flooded with and purchase communist made products, they somehow blindly accept socialism as to be more evil.

          So why is congress taking advantage of socialist, free health care, paid for by the taxpayer, while denouncing it for the public as evil. And why are we subjecting our veterans to free government health care if it is so inadequate and evil? The fact is, most veterans prefer to go to a veteran’s hospital.

          And while we are on the topic of the supposed evils of socialism, Israel has to be one of the most socialized countries in the world. They get free healthcare, free college education and subsidized if not free housing. Yet, this socialized country is given billions more in free US tax payer moneys. So, if they have most ignorant Americans, including Trump the chump, believing socialism is evil, why does not Trump stop the free money that is going to the most socialized country in the world, Israel? Instead he has given them even more.

          I hate to say it, but Americans who believe socialism is evil, are ignorant beyond belief and like good behaved little children they are merely parroting what they are told whitout ever asking or even wondering if what they are told is actually true.

          One thing is for certain, the government makes no money, and does not create wealth, In the frame of things, it is nothing but a huge overhead, that is funded and paid for by the taxpayer. In other words, the taxpayer owns the government and all its resources. Yet, when it comes to helping the populace, the government acts as if it is giving up its own personal money. They are not, they have none, it’s the people’s money. However, when it comes to the select few very rich, the very same who vehemently disdain and refute socialism, the billionaires who contribute the least and many of them noting at all in taxes, the government gladly hands them all the free money they want and for some reason it is not called socialism even thought is it. Instead they call it “grants”.

          So once again, communism is where the government owns everything, the people own nothing, not even their own homes or clothes. Socialism is where the government only owns those enterprises whose services they deem necessary for a good quality of life for their citizens. It does not mean they own all the businesses and industry. In Venezuela, the government took over the oil industry because if felt the wealth of their natural resources, mainly oil, belongs to the country and that wealth should benefit their citizens in a better quality of life, not foreign bankers and hedge fund managers who will fill their pockets with millions by exploitation.

          Jesus believed in sharing the wealth, curing the ill and improving the life of the poor, he believed in the common good. By those standards alone, he was a socialist. While Americans profess to be super religious followers of the preaching of Jesus, in reality they do the opposite, they are super hypocrites like Trump.

          1. Most Americans don’t *give a fuck* what the people digging through their pockets call themselves. They’re theives, whether they go by “communist” or “socialist”.

            And they can all go die in a fucking fire.

          2. Could you be less honest? Socialism purports to place the means of production in the hands of the workers, but this has generally meant that it remains under government control, who claim to be a proxy for the workers. As for your ridiculous assertion about veterans and the glories of the VA, the care is part of the contract. Servicemembers permanently injured in the line of duty receive care -to opt for care elsewhere using the Veteran’s Choice program is not always easy, and civilian care providers are not as likely to be able to be trained on some issues specific to veteran health. Thus, the VA’s care is not great, but it is cost-effective for those making poor wages, and the specialists are well-versed in the correct fields, nothing more. It is not the glowing recommendation for socialism so many dipshits make it out to be. Your claim rests on your ignorance, and my guess, hope that nobody will call you on your lies, socialist.

          3. You see, VeeDub, some people have both been to school and have life experiences and understand that Socialism is very different in the practice than it is in the promise.

            It’s kind of like abstinence-based sex education. Sounds good in theory but somehow always results in lots of pregnancy.

            Except with Socialism you end up with a police state and piles of skulls.

            Social programs aren’t inevitably evil, but government having control over quality of life ensures oppression.

        8. We need to punish the democrats for their election fraud. I would rather see a full blown civil war than let them get away with this.

          This is the line.

          1. We need a MAGA wet mop, dry diaper and Trump salve for a huge shitstain on aisle 9, next to the George Wallace Rambo Action Figure display.

      2. Why, in your opinion, would anyone waste time replying?

      3. Because he started with a big name recognition edge and had some important players in the party (e.g., Clyburn) behind him, and because a sizable number of Democrats believed he would be the party’s most effective candidate in the current environment.

    2. Not to completely discredit Robby but given that half the time the articles are written by Chinese bots that the editors just sign off on; it’s a standard-left (though not exclusively left) practice of shifting the definition/forcing the Overton window. “We’re just asking for single-payer, a gun registry, a mask mandate, and a bailout for underwater states! We’re not like those crazies that want all of that *and* climate change reform, an end to fracking and all of fossil fuels, open borders!”

      It’s similar to what Trump did with renegotiating NAFTA except you’d have to be stupid to think he did it for leftist reasons as opposed to Trump reasons.

      1. The senate isn’t necessary to implement the Green New Deal.
        I’m not sure it’s really necessary for anything the left is planning.

        1. Huh? How is the Senate not necessary to implement the Green New Deal or anything else the left is planning? It is by far the more powerful of the two legislative chambers. It, unlike the House, has the ability to kill legislation that would otherwise pass via the filibuster. Good luck getting the Green New Deal past a straight vote in a Republican-controlled Senate. It has the unilateral ability to kill Cabinet and Court nominees. Good luck getting your preferred Cabinet members and judges. Unless maybe you’re suggesting that Biden can ram through the Green New Deal and other policies through executive order? Seems likely the conservative-controlled Supreme Court would push back strongly against that unconstitutional power grab. Assuming the GOP holds the Senate, Biden is already a lame duck President.

          1. Well my theory is that the lefties will be pushing for a carbon tariff EO on nation security grounds and Biden will do it. And Republicans in congress will be powerless to stop it with their slim majority. Doesn’t get you the full GND but will do significant damage.

            1. We shall see. First, I don’t know how you’d do a carbon tariff, as we’re not importing the carbon. Every proposal I’ve seen is a tax, since it’s on carbon generated in the US. The taxing power lies with Congress. Even if a carbon tariff somehow worked, the President only gets to enact tariffs when Congress delegates that power. And again, SCOTUS is waiting in the wings. Republicans hold a lot of checks on leftist ideas.

              1. We will see. Carbon tariff could range from energy imports (more likely) to anything with a carbon molecule (highly unlikely). My guess is it would cover a whole host of products. It will be a hodge podge that won’t make much sense since the democratic lobbyist will be carving out exemptions and punishing their competitors.

            2. No, while there is a lot of regulations Biden can push thru to try to hamstring carbon, tariffs won’t really work because we are energy independent now. And without being able to vote subsidies pushing too hard will raise energy prices and guarantee they lose the house in 2 years.

              That 6-3 edge in the Supreme Court is somewhat comforting too.

              While a 53-47 Democratic Senate might have marched lockstep over the edge, even if the Dems somehow get to 50, I think a moderate caucus would take over. Manchin, Collins, Donnelly, Murkowski, Sinema, Romney, Feinstein are more likely to decide their own agenda rather than let Kamala Harris or a vastly weakened Nancy Pelosi give them marching orders.

              1. No, while there is a lot of regulations Biden can push thru to try to hamstring carbon, tariffs won’t really work because we are energy independent now.

                OK, glad to know I wasn’t the only one thinking, “Why would I care if he passes a carbon tariff? I mean, yeah, TARIFFS BAD!, but carbon tariff, so what?

          2. How is the Senate not necessary to implement the Green New Deal

            Sue and Settle:

            1. Left wingers determine the policy they want, such as ending fracking.
            2. Left wing environmental group sues the EPA on behalf of a few left wing activists citing that fracking causes groundwater contamination.
            3. To settle the case the EPA agrees to “regulations” prohibiting fracking”.

            1. The left might get marginal environmental victories through administrative agencies. The big ones will get litigated heavily, with the threat of a hostile Supreme Court looming overhead. But at any rate, that’s not what the GND is about. Most of it requires legislation. I suggest you look up what the GND was asking for.

              1. I suggest you look up what the GND was asking for.

                Fuck off.

                1. No, Marshall. He’s right. But he’s pre-supposing an iron control over an obstructionist Senate that I don’t think will be there.

                  1. He’s right.

                    He’s not. There is almost nothing which cannot be accomplished through the combination of collusion, regulatory control, executive orders, institutional support, and the deep state. We saw this in Obama’s term when he issued executive orders covering subjects everyone including himself had previously stated publicly required legislation. Not only did the court uphold them the court also (absurdly) ruled they could not be undone by later executive order. Title IX is another example of accomplishing through illegitimate means something that should have required legislation. There is no clear line of what requires legislation and what doesn’t, especially when the regulation can have the desired impact but is justified on a completely different basis. For example it would be trivially easy to bankrupt the airlines by increasing emissions and safety regulations to the point air travel becomes cost prohibitive for 80% of the population.

                    Regardless my comment was about the condescension and not the substance of his comment.

                    1. Just close the majority of businesses claiming they are not essential and force them into an operating model were they can not pay their bills.

                    2. This Supreme Court may not be quite as fond of Chevron and that could limit much of Executive action. Time will tell.

                    3. This Supreme Court may not be quite as fond of Chevron

                      Gorsuch, Roberts and Kavanaugh all support Chevron. It’s irrelevant anyway. “This” court is going to exist for about 3 weeks after President Harris is sworn in. The Democrats ran on court packing.

                    4. To Hunter Biden: I don’t think I’d call Gorsuch a “fan” of Chevron. Kind of the opposite.

              2. “”Most of it requires legislation. “”

                And funding. That’s where the pie in the sky dreams die.

                1. Didn’t Trump fund the farm subsidies without Congess using the money collected by the tariffs? If so, Bisen has a path to tax and spend without Congress.

          3. Behold the regulatory state.

            It is rising again.

          4. How is the Senate not necessary to implement the Green New Deal or anything else the left is planning?

            “I’ve got a pen, and I’ve got a phone” – Barack Obama

            1. That’s King Obama to you serf.

              Which is why I always found it telling that so many Obama lovers I know called Trump an autocrat, a dictator, a Nazi and worse.

              The truth is, they were generally white middle class folks suffering from a loss of self worth now worshipping our first president of color without really thinking about what is going on.

              It got worse with this election. They’ll now worship Queen Kamala because she has two brownie points in her column. And, they again won’t even think about what is happening and what the implications are.

              Sadly, many of these friends have substantial incomes and live in places like Marin or the Silicone Valley. They are or, were, wage slaves and their annual federal income taxes alone are more than the average wages in the nation. But, they’ll ignore that in favor of waving their lib credits by supporting anything that is anti-white from BLM to Queen Kamala.

              They deserve the blood letting they are going to get.

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    4. this article is bunk.Florida passed a 15 dollar min wage while voting for Trump.Fox News exit polls shows 75% support for med4all,or ” increasing govt control of healthcare” as they put it! The Squad was reelected and added Cori Bush of BLM fame in Missouri.Wasnt Biden ,the corporate owned centrist, supposed to be ” electable”? Why did he win a cliffhanger? Why did Pelosi’s centrists lose seats and The Dems control of the Senate evaporate,so far? Claire McCaskill is a loser who is obsessed w keeping dems as corporate puppets.Same for James Carville and Neera Tanden,Rahm Emmanuel,etc.They are yesterday,living in 1994.Why dont we just listen to Lawrence Sommers,who turns up like a bad penny in Obama and now Bidens administrations.After all,he single handedly stopped regulation of derivitives thus causing a wall st/ mortgage crash .That is the kind of experieced “genius” we need to deter the evils of democratic socialism? Luckily the younger generations say,”give me socialism then”.

  2. A Biden presidency with a Republican Senate is the best we could have hoped for, and we got it. Leviathan will do nothing that does not enjoy bipartisan support, and hopefully tribalism will keep them busy hashing over the details when they do agree.

    1. You are naive enough to think the cheating will stop with Trump. What happens when they cheat enough to pick off the Georgia Senators?

      You people still don’t get it…..and it will people people like us first against the wall.

      1. “You people still don’t get it…..and it will people people like us first against the wall.”

        What mean we, kemosabe?

        45% of the population stridently opposes each party. Neither of them is doing anything that requires force.

        1. Neither of them is doing anything that requires force.

          Could you repeat that? I can’t hear you through your muzzle mask.

      2. Well, the GOP massively outperformed the DNC in one of those Senate races and was ahead by a decent margin in the other. If you’re that concerned about it, contribute to both GOP candidates in the runoff.

    2. The Senate can do nothing to stop the combination of the regulatory state, a pliant DOJ, and rampant venue shopping by coordinated special interests.

      Leftitarian moment!

    3. This x 1,000. The party with an incumbent president loses seats in the midterms. So if Trump won, that would mean the Democrats would have control of both the House and the Senate after 2023. Instead, we are looking at things going the other way.

      Additionally, if you don’t think that all of this stimulus spending will lead to an economic downturn in the next year or so, I would think again. Biden and Harris will get blamed for that, and the Republicans can take advantage.

      Finally, Trump is toxic. For all of the people he fires up for him, he gets at least that many and probably more fired up against him. This gives the radical left an avenue to increase their numbers. They are the true enemy. And while Trump can win few battles, he isn’t the man to win the war.

      Trump has done some good things including Supreme Court judges, exposing the media, and taking the cultural left to task. But he does not have the intellect, discipline, or temperament to do what needs to be done to really put the country on the right path for the next few decades. He has shown Republicans that they have to have fight back, and that compromising with the radical left is suicidal, but he does not have the broad appeal to independents and the upper-middle class to govern effectively and make lasting changes. I highly doubt that the Republicans will go back to the Bush/McCain/Romney noble loser approach, but to really beat the left, they can’t go full Trumptard either. I suggest they work very hard over the next couple of months to secure at least one Senate seat in Georgia, and go about making a real plan for 2022 and 2024. That is the true path to long-term success.

      1. Things are The Other Way in part because Foghorn Leghorn Christie bragged and gloated until non-wizened women voters got the idea Judge Coney would sign no-knock warrants for SWAT teams to kick in the doors of women’s clinics. This while leaving the lying medical and pharma lobbyists to keep snivelling for more prohibition and market allocation laws with which to fix prices. That one Redneck with Green Teeth probably wrecked the Trump campaign the way one Communist Anarchist with no brains wrecked Jo’s campaign.

    4. I can hope that you are right. We used to practice that here in CA with an R governor and an L legislature. Nothing happened most of the time. Which was great.

      But, you failed to factor in the press. They will be pushing the left agenda and all the pols will fall for it. They don’t want to lose their seats.

  3. Who cares if they call themselves socialist? If they enact socialist policies, they are.
    The corruption of the English language continues, and the media has embraced the digression into meaninglessness.

    1. Yeah. It’s in the bag. Before Trump was even sworn in, Reason was oppositionally agreeing he stole the election.

      Now, before Biden is even sworn in, they’re laying out their Democratic apologist narrative of “Hey, he’s not as bad as AOC!”

      Any semblance of creditibility about “They opposed Obama, they, as good libertarians *should* oppose Trump in turn.” is going right out the window.”

      1-2 more terms and Reason will be explaining to us how, even though China is worse on human rights, conventional (actual) pollution, CO2 emissions, foreign relations, and innovation we really need more top-down leadership like they have.

      1. China might have concentration camps for its Muslim citizens but the free market principle of free trade overrides any ethical concerns about those pesky human “rights”.

      2. take your meds dude. it’s getting sloppy

        1. Name checks out.

      3. And you forgot the Chinese theft of technology and corporate secrets. They’ve been the best at it for years.

        So much so, that it’s leaked down to the lower rungs of their economy. Hello eBay knock offs.

      4. We need a MAGA wet mop, crying hankie, fresh nappie, Trump butthurt salve and a straightjacket on aisle 11, next to the “Tilden Beat Rutherford” paperbacks and “Out Magazine” display with Yannopoulos on the cover.

    2. This. Manipulation of language has always been a core part of socialist political strategy.

      1. And the press as well.

        Propoganda is an effective tool.

  4. I think Republicans did get some traction trying to scare people on this ‘socialist narrative…’

    And Democrats got some traction trying to scare people with racism. They probably cancel each other out.

    As far as the acceptance level of socialist tendencies, I think we all misjudge America’s tolerance of it because we spend so much time on Twitter. Ultimately too much of it in the real world is a loss for campaigns and policymakers.

  5. Robbie. Poor gullible robbie. Watch the media narrative. Their only claims are half the country is racist. There is zero discussion of a rebuke of socialism. Listen to Nancy declaring a mandate. Poor gullible reason.

    1. What they say in public and how they legislate could be different. We shall see. If the Democrats push hard on socialism they’ll lose significantly in 2022. They know they don’t have a mandate, no matter what they say in front of the cameras.

      1. What makes you think there will be an election in 2022?

        1. There will be. Even complete shitholes like Hussein’s Iraq held elections.

          Now, whether those elections will be fair or not, is another question.

        2. What makes you think there would not be an election in 2022? That Biden will somehow unilaterally cancel it? There are an incredible number of checks in place to keep that from happening. Man, the conspiracy theorists are out in force today!

          1. No shit. This idea were about to become a socialist hellhole is fucking retarded.

            I’m viewing this election as a Yuuuuge loss for Team Blue.

            Sure, they succeeded in ousting Trump. It was a loss for him, while Team Red held the senate and gained seats in the house.

            If I’m choosing 1 of the 3 bodies of power that are voted on in the federal government, president is LAST. Biden won’t be able to accomplish any of Team Blue’s fantasies at all, much less round up the 70 or so million Trump voters (plus the other non-believers) and throw us in gulags.

            1. Yeah because all the states where hundreds of thousands of 100% Biden votes showed up 2 days after the election will surely not cheat on the senate elections.

              It’s no sin to be stupid, but you should at least make an effort to be quiet.

            2. You’re smarter than 80% of the voters. Most think the president is a dictator that “runs the country” which is why they waste so much time on it.

              They won’t even know the names of their congress critters or what legislation they introduced or supported.

          2. There are an incredible number of checks in place to keep that from happening

            Yes. The Democratic legislature and newly packed Democratic supreme court.

            Man, the conspiracy theorists are out in force today!

            It’s not really a conspiracy theory when they tell you what they are going to do and you sit there clapping like a lobotomized seal you stupid fucking bitch.

      2. Poor gullible leo…

        1. Biden got the nomination because he was seen as being able to beat Trump in the key midwestern states. It appears he barely did. Warren, Sanders, and their ilk don’t play well in the midwest and they couldn’t have beaten Trump. The reason is that they are full on socialists. Biden is like Obama-level socialist. It’s a scale, not a binary choice.

          Robby is right. Socialism can’t win national elections. It can’t even win Democrat primaries. And that’s a good thing.

          1. Youre simply gullible. You probably were the one saying 5 years ago woke culture wouldn’t leave campus.

            Biden did not run as a centrist. His website disagrees with you. You are uninformed or you are lying. He supported GND, on his website. He is anti cheap energy, debates and interviews. He wants to increase regulations, his legislative history. He wants to raise taxes, speeches and debates.

            Youre just gullible. The people like you that believe and recite the media narratives like Joe is a centrist are what is fucking wrong with this country and our voting system.

            1. I didn’t say he was a centrist. He specifically didn’t run as a socialist. Those are two different things.

              Honestly, can you ever have a conversation without resorting to strawmen? Nowhere in my post did I ever use the word centrist. Saying he’s not Sanders or Warren is hardly a stretch, but it doesn’t mean that he’s a centrist. Why argue otherwise?

              1. I’ll add to this. Biden won in large part because Trump’s personality is complete anathema to a large portion of the population. That includes people like me, who otherwise agrees with many, though not all of his policies. Unfortunately, many people need to see someone who has a Presidential personality. And Trump simply doesn’t. I’m sorry, but the GOP chose a terrible Presidential candidate who only became President in the first place because the DNC chose a terrible candidate of their own who ran a terrible campaign.

                1. When you hire a contractor to build a house, do you care if he is an asshole as long as he gets the job done? Too god damned many people want a benevolent Mr Rogers President rather than a Steve Jobs President.

                  1. I don’t, but I’m not a significant fraction of the electorate. My view really doesn’t matter when a large number of people hold the Mr. Rogers view.

                2. “”Biden won in large part because Trump’s personality is complete anathema to a large portion of the population.””

                  Trump positioned himself the be the Hillary of 2020.

                  If he would have behaved in a way presidents behave, Trump would have been the winner.

                3. A return to statesmanship, at least at the POTUS level, would be nice. Neither Trump nor Biden have it.

                  After all, one of the conferred powers of the POTUS is relations with other nations. That takes statesmanship.

          2. Biden is a place holder puppet to fool the rest I see he fooled many into believing he is the middle

      3. “They stole the 2020 election, blatantly and in front of everybody, but we’ll totes vote them out next time!”

        Such stupidity

    2. Robbie. Poor gullible robbie. Watch the media narrative.

      See IL, we voted down raising our own taxes and elected Uncle Joe. Either too stupid to realize that both votes had to go the same way or wilfully malicious in forcing others to pay their fair share of IL’s tax burden.

      1. Fuck the rich*!
        *anyone who make more than me (i.e. $200k)

        1. Hey Rabbi:

          I know an awful lot of people who fit your criterion but, don’t realize what those they support are referring to when they make your opening statement. No, they just clap along with the goobs, sure that “the rich” are some other guys.

          1. SF just voted in their “overpaid executive” tax. Dwell on that for a while. It might be indicative of what’s to come.

            We supposedly are stamping out all the “isms”. But, there is on category it’s o.k. to hate: “The Rich”.

    3. Suddenly Georgia is good again because its a close election race.

      Georgia will go Trump and we’ll go back to being racist white supremacists.

  6. “the next administration will take office with neither a mandate nor an ability to enact transformational economic policy changes”

    I disagree.

    I can think of one major economic change. President Biden will reverse Orange Hitler’s draconian immigration policy that prevents highly skilled labor from entering the US. This will provide a substantial boost to the net worths of billionaires like Reason.com’s benefactor Charles Koch.

    #OpenTheBordersToHelpBillionaires

    1. Like I said before – you’re quite consistent.

  7. a rose by any other name would still steal an election.

    1. fraud is a fraud is a fraud.

      1. A fraud unreported and uninvestigated is a victory.

        1. Jesus Christ. You think this won’t be investigated? Trump holds the levers of power in many ways. Various executive agencies can investigate. The right-leaning Supreme Court can weigh in on the various court cases. For a group that currently has a ton of institutional power, you all sure do whine a lot about how disempowered you are. And I say this as someone who would have preferred that Trump win. Grow up and take your lumps.

          1. Trump holds the levers of power in many ways.

            You mean like when he ordered documents declassified and the intelligence community told him to go fuck himself? Or when his own attorney general recused himself and allowed Democrats to run a clown show 100 million dollar “investigation” for 4 years resulting in nothing? Or when his FBI held onto Hunter Biden’s laptop for over a year without investigating?

            For a group that currently has a ton of institutional power, you all sure do whine a lot about how disempowered you are.

            For a braindead piece of leftist shit apologist for the permanent bureaucracy, you sure are a braindead piece of leftist shit apologist for the permanent bureaucracy. Fuck yourself, bootlicker.

            1. Good. Everybody who disagrees with you and calls you a whiner is a leftist.

              There’s no chance whatsoever that these whining traitorous pussies can be right. No chance.

              There’s hope for the liberty movement yet.

              No freedom for Marxists.

          2. You think this won’t be investigated?

            Sure, for three whole months. Then, Joe gets the big chair and shuts it all down.

            -jcr

  8. Socialism is where the community (government) owns and controls the means of production and distribution. That was never proposed. What was proposed was single payer healthcare, and an overall increase in the social safety net. Despite what Rs want you to believe, that is not socialism. Socialism was never on the ballot. Ds did not win everything, but they did win the WH and gained in the Senate. The most accurate thing you can say was this election was a rejection of Trumpism.

    1. True. What is proposed is fascism.
      “Fascist economics supported a state-controlled economy that accepted a mix of private and public ownership over the means of production. Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronizing itself with the economic goals of the state.”

      So the state controls the corporations, and the corporations control the people. Sound familiar? Tried to buy health insurance not approved by the feds lately?

      1. MW defines fascism as “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”.

        Also, was not on the ballot, even though one could make an argument that many Trump supporters would be ok with it.

        What you describe is normal government regulation of minimum standards for consumer products. By your argument you can’t buy a non-government approved car, house, airplane, medication and such, and that would be fascist. Wrong.

        1. MW defines fascism as

          Is that today’s definition or are they going to change it if ACB uses it in a sentence tomorrow?

          1. ‘I understood that reference.’

        2. Mussolini, who invented fascism, defined it as government control of both production and prices without taking ownership, but through preferred companies.

          All the other racial stuff was added by the Nazis or as force necessary in order to implement the plans. Socialism ,fascism, and communism MUST be imposed by force because most people value their autonomy enough to resist them.

          1. Fascism, nazism, and communism are varying shades of similar philosophies, blending economic policy and domestic/social policy.

            All three have a collectivizing, top down approach to how the people order and relate to themselves, as MG notes.

            However, such things weren’t new to political theory before Marx, Lenin, Mussolini, and Hitler.

            It’s the economic policies that made them revolutionary. So any definition that focuses solely on the domestic and not on the economic is a fake definition.

            1. The left has worked for many years to twist a lot of meanings…
              Fascism…true Fascism is what Franco did in Spain, ie: protecting the establishment, monarchy, etc…it is not an “economic” policy, beyond that it ignores the needs of the people…
              In truth, Hitler and Mussolini were Socialists…specifically Nationalist socialists… in which the wealthy were generally allowed to retain ownership of their means of production, so long as they stuck to the states requirements of what and when they produced….
              Marxist Socialists simply take everything, with the idea that they will equitably spread the wealth to all…which never really happens…
              Communism is what Marx claimed was the end result via Socialism…. It by definition is not supposed to have a central governance, the “group” is supposed to come to concensus decisions, without voting…ie: think Hippie communes…it doesn’t work in groups larger than about 20, due to fracturing into factions….
              There’s little difference between Nazis (national Socialism) and Marxists… in point of fact, they have a hatred of each other going back to the 20’s when, I believe it was Stalin, branded all non-Marxist Socialists as Fascists, even though they were not, because the Marxists feared competition from another form of Socialism…
              Since then, especially after WW2, the left has worked hard to portray Hitler as the literal “monster under the bed”, because he got caught red handed murdering 6 Million people, mostly Jews…While they were responsible for killing 10 times as many people, many of whom were Jews as well…
              All of the various Socialist based economic theories are fundamentally corrupt from the start and feed massive theft by their officials whom are set apart as an “elite”, which in turn leads to eventual collapse when they run out of money stolen from others….
              The easiest proof of the lefts changing definitions can be found in various dictionaries…those from the 20’s, 50’s, etc have rather different definitions for Nazis,etc….

              1. Mussolini literally coined and define the term you historically illiterate stupid piece of shit.

              2. Your pretty much right except fascism was invented by mussolini as a form of nationalized Marxism (Marx saw no borders and only an infinite communist state). It’s root word is Italian “fascii” which references a bundle of sticks. And the idea being that if all the sticks (people) lay the same way (think only one way, the fascist way) they are stronger bundled together than scattered about

            2. Blatantly incorrect.

              Communism is a mechanistic view of social affairs that seeks to eliminate culture. It desires an atheistic, rationalistic, completely homogeneous population, that means no religious differences, no cultural or economic differences, an entire population of Borg Drones, ready to throw themselves off the cliff for the enlightened managerial State.

              Fascism (and Nazism, which is an outgrowth of fascism, not “socialism” (at least not the Marxist variety)), is an extreme reaction from a movement that’s hellbent on erasing the entire concept of culture from the human condition. The fact that fascist societies apparently resemble communist ones is merely a function of one thing: that both societies are governed by “the ends justify the means.”

              One of those groups is correct. Try to guess which one.

              If you can’t, well, you’re a dunce, like most libertarians.

        3. If you can’t use a serious reference, perhaps don’t reply? Doubly so if you feel the need to imply that people you don’t agree with are fascists.

      2. I think most countries are fascist by that definition.

        1. Gee, no shit?

      3. Someone needs to search “Republican National Socialism” and see the comparison of platform planks, laws and speeches. Copying looter agitprop off of Wikipedia is not at all like research.

    2. When the government owns 40% of your paycheck, they own 40% of the means of production.

      1. Labor is only one factor of production. They also tax and double-tax capital. The only factor of production that is inelastic in supply and does belong to everyone is barely taxed at all, and that’s land–the value of natural resources minus any improvements. Adam Smith considered it the most suitable and appropriate source of public revenue, and Milton Friedman called it “the least bad tax”.

    3. No, that’s communism. As noted in other posts socialism and fascism, which is just national socialism if you ever read anything about Italy history, only require control, not ownership of means of production.

      Fascism is just Marxism with a nationalist focus. It’s from the Italian word “fascii” which references a bundle of sticks and the idea that the sticks are stronger if they all go In the same direction. And Hitler liked that so he adopted in his nazi, national socialist party, ideology. And remember Marxism isn’t communism… Marxism is just a socialist path for a dictator to IMPLEMENT communism, which has never actually happened because no. Socialist/communist dictator has ever stepped down to return the power to the working class, the way Marx intended.

      You’re on here all the time trying to trash libertarians and you don’t even know the difference between communism and socialism. Fuck off retarded cunt.

  9. “socialism”

    In any case, acknowledging the government has a place in society is something that you have to be smart to do. Alas, there’s a bunch of America where that is clearly not the case.

    I mean, we are proud that we pay 18% of GDP every year for healthcare. We’re proud that we pay 2x more per capita than other countries with universal. We’re proud that we have a thing called medical bankruptcy. Americans wouldn’t know a good thing if it bit them in the ass.

    1. Americans wouldn’t know a good thing if it bit them in the ass.

      Are ass bites covered by Canada’s Healthcare?

      1. Not for 9-12 months, at least.

    2. Libertarians for expanding the state!

    3. Goodies yelling Americans they can’t sue over bad health outcomes. You can’t sue on other countries. Liability insurance is over 3x the cost here as in Canada. Defensive medicine costs are about 10-15% of all spending. But you probably knew that with all your numbers and all.

      1. Good luck telling*

      2. Goodies yelling Americans they can’t sue over bad health outcomes. You can’t sue on other countries.

        Of course, this “solves” the problem through the Overton Window as Robby highlights above. Sure, you’re knee replacement took 6 mos. and your inability to work impoverished you and your inability to move gave you diabetes but the guy before you died waiting, so be glad!

    4. Get up off of your damn knees.

    5. Let’s see. The US vastly outperforms the rest of the world in terms of medical innovation and rapid access to quality care. That costs money. So does government interference in the health care system at all levels. So does subsidizing the rest of the world with our medical research.

      1. About 12 years ago when I needed an MRI for my knee, Ohio had more MRI machines than all of Europe.

    6. Poor cytotoxic just can’t help but outing all of his socks when he comes out in defense of his native Canadian health care system. That and his mideast war boner. Do you not even realize you’re doing it? Are you actually that stupid?

  10. A rebuke of socialism? Does anyone think the socialists care? We are operating on razor thin margins here. A few seats here and there in the House and Senate and we are stuck with whatever socialist claptrap they can cobble together. And, if they get the opportunity, they will cobble it together, we will get it rammed down our throats, and it will never — and I mean NEVER — be scaled back.

  11. We all know that the media is full of shit, but to some extent, we can’t help but internalize some of their messages–especially about the inevitability of preponderance of things like socialism. I’m sure I’m guilty of doing that to some extent.

    I know the media is full of shit, but I tend to believe the worst about my fellow Americans’ penchant for things like socialism. They’re preying upon my worst fears in some ways, or that’s what I’m letting them do.

    In addition to the repudiation of overt socialism I saw in the results, the big story for me was how many people voted for Trump in spite of their dislike for him personally. They all looked past the many harsh aspects of his personality and voted for him anyway.

    I don’t care if they did it because they genuinely liked Trump’s policies or because they genuinely hated the Democrats for their socialism. The fact is that to the extent they supported Trump, they did it because of what they believe in and despite their personal feelings towards Trump.

    It sure as hell wasn’t because he’s been so likable this campaign.

    1. Ken, in about a week, I want to see the final results on the state legislative races. Because they will draw the district lines for the next decade. I’ve a feeling Team R did unusually well, as they normally do in redistricting elections. That matters.

      Those state by state legislative results will tell me if the electorate decisively rejected socialism.

      The media was unmasked, and shown to be utterly corrupt.

      1. The media was unmasked, and shown to be utterly corrupt.

        And any parts not corrupt likely inept.

      2. So far, the GOP picked up well over 100 state legislator positions (there are around 7,000 in the country). It looks like they lost one legislature and gained one or two others. They are still in clear control of a majority of the states. The GOP will be able to redistrict in their favor for another decade.

        1. Odd that all of those places voted overwhelmingly for Biden. It’s a good thing this election was totally on the up and up with not a hint of shenanigans, right you fucking shill?

          Also, hate to break it to you, but the feds have been in control of redistricting since the Voting Rights Act. When you pathetic little bitches get stomped on in local races you just run your pathetic little bitch asses to the courts and get the local districts overruled and rewritten by your fellow leftist shitbags on the federal bench.

          But you already knew that.

        2. If the GOP gets 34 state legislatures, they can call a constitutional convention, where every state has the same weight of representation. I don’t think the Democrats would like the results.

          -jcr

      3. Too bad the public hasn’t been unmasked. The idea of perpetual mask mandates is one of the things I am most worried about, especially since Biden will push for that.

        1. And right thinking people will ignore him too.

          1. Until the first several of them get killed or beaten for noncompliance while bootlicking faggot pieces of shit like you clap like lobotomized seals. Fuck yourself you leftist piece of shit.

  12. Don’t forget, Joe Biden is a crook.

    1. And just to get ahead of the rush: Hunter Biden didn’t kill himself.

      -jcr

  13. Rebuke of socialism? Did someone run on dismantling Social Security and Medicare while I was sleeping? Americans love entitlements (for themselves). Americans don’t give a rat’s ass about deficits or debt. They want politicians to keep their “government hands” off their Medicare. The takeaway isn’t that people are anti-socialism. It’s that the body politic is a bunch a crazed lunatics who don’t have any idea how the economy actually works and who can’t think beyond ten minutes into the future.

    1. It’s that the body politic is a bunch a crazed lunatics who don’t have any idea how the economy actually works and who can’t think beyond ten minutes into the future.

      ^This. Crazed lunatics or completely sociopolitically uanaware morons. And I say that as someone who’s interacted with people that I described above: IL tax hike? Hell no! Biden/Harris? Hell yeah!

    2. Exactly.

    3. who can’t think beyond ten minutes into the future
      Future time orientation is racist.

      1. The Museum of African-American History approves this message.

  14. Republican progressive national socialism is the supernanny state unbound. Its excesses in 1920 and 1929-33 increased communist membership by a factor of seven! In exchange for lying about drugs, AMA got both looter parties to turn medical practice into a fascist cartel nobody can afford and none are permitted to compete against. Observe that ONLY the Libertarian party platform offers to deregulate this monster and deprive it of the armed thugs forcing it on an incomprehending populace.

    1. Italian dressing on the salad please.

    2. Actually, you mentally ill stupid piece of decrepit old shit, the Libertarian Party platform has absolutely no mention of health care and the Libertarian Party supported and continues to support Obamacare’s individual mandate. You should consider drinking some of your bathtub moonshine until you go blind.

      1. I love your name calling. Please tell me you don’t identify as a libertarian.

        Please tell me you realize that liberty is the enemy. (Proof: the existence of the left wing)

  15. What planet are you on? It won’t even keep the left out of power for months.

    This gives the game away:

    “I think Republicans did get some traction trying to scare people on this ‘socialist narrative,'” Rep. Jared Huffman (D–Calif.), a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told The Washington Post. “What’s the point of embracing a phrase like that?”

    They want to change the messaging, not the policy. They want to lie to the public while pursuing the same socialist goals.

  16. Socialists will keep trying, and Harris will be President soon enough.

  17. Someone started a GoFundMe to raise $$ to compare voter data to death certificates. Has $170K, plus $120K being processed. GoFuckMe has frozen the account to keep him from accessing it.

    Remember, free minds and free markets.

    https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1324772350999625729

    1. Just start your own donation site. Jeez, always complaining around here.

      1. Exactly this. Conservatives make up a third of the electorate. What’s stopping them from creating conservative Facebook or Twitter? And don’t give me network effects. Network effects arise from good branding and outreach.

        1. Give us free association and maybe we would.

        2. What’s stopping them from creating conservative Facebook or Twitter?

          You mean like Gab? Let’s see… collusion by the domain registrar, ISP, cloud hosting provider, advertising networks, payment processors, and banks to deprive them of the ability to register a domain, host a website, drive traffic, accept payments or transact business.

          jUst mAkE YoUR oWn InTErnET!!!!!!

        3. As noted below… You clearly are unaware of the roadblocks faced by gab and parlor…or all the demonitizing of conservatives on any number of social media/podcast/streaming sites… or the roadblocks faced by any libertarian or republican non profit/pac attempting to register with the irs leading up to the 16′ election.

          I get it, youre trying to play the rational, nuanced libertarian role. But you’ve presumed a bunch of bullshit so far in this thread, like any old conservative can just open a website and make money on it without climbing through massive hoops or facing demonization. The playing field isn’t level even though youre pretending it is, and it’s time you wake up to that.

          1. Good. Now do libertarians as a whole.

            Rational, nuanced libertarianism needs to be chucked out. The only way to defeat the left is, frankly, to play dirty. Libertarians won’t do that because “principles”, “rights”, “freedoms” and a whole host of socially overrated concepts, completely failing to realize that it was these values that brought us the fucking left in the first fucking place.

            It’s exasperating how so many self described libertarians profess to see the danger of the campus left, see the danger of the BLM movement, see the danger of the hordes of unskilled low IQ barbarians flooding into America like so many locusts, yet cling to the libertarian label, as if to say “A real libertarian is against free trade, against immigration, pro police, and anti-left.”

            BULL. SHIT. Real libertaraians aren’t like any of those things, THAT’S THE WHOLE PROBLEM with the libertarian movement and why it will never be taken seriously by an electorate who doesn’t give a good god damn about anybody’s freedom but their own.

            Sorry boys. Human nature and reality ain’t on your side. About the only thing you guys get right is private property and the second amendment. Not enough to build a winning coalition.

            Frankly, the LP needs to disband altogether for the monstrous sin of enabling the far left by taking votes away from patriotic candidates who can actually prevent the socialist hellhole.

            Then again, what else but goofy and contradictory behavior can we expect from folks who like to inhale too much wacky tobaccy.

            1. The Answer to Question is that LP spoiler votes not only defeat looter candidates, the parties that backed those lewsers keep losing until they learn to copy Libertarian planks into their platforms and repeal bad laws. The Democrats learned that lesson in 2016, and the media thinks they won. The Libertarian Party wins every time this strategy causes cowardly parasites to choose between a hand in the till and adding more coercion. Is this THAT hard to understand? “Getting Their Attention with Spoiler Votes” might help.

  18. Somehow we got Obamacare with a Senate majority. Too many RINO’S to pretend a small majority is going to stop the Marxist plan from the left going forward. The SCOTUS; is a better bet than a minor lead in the senate.

      1. without trump the media is going to destroy the GOP senators and they are not as strong as Trump they will cave to the pressure from the media and never trumpers like mitt romney who is full of it

        1. That’s not how you do gridlock, Ron.

          1. Trump is stronger than Cocaine Mitch? The same Trump who caved on covid stimulus? Who caved on the bump stock ban? Give me a break. Gotta hand it to Trump for the cult of personality he’s cultivated, though.

            1. “”Who caved on the bump stock ban?””

              I don’t think there was any caving in on that one.

              1. Huh? Trump buckled to public pressure after the Vegas shooting and signed an executive order banning bump stocks. How is that anything other than caving?

                1. The pressure gave him cover.

                  As a pro-2A guy, I’ve never seen Trump as a real ally.

                  1. You mean a New York Democrat who supported gun control and tough-on-crime measures isn’t actually an NRA gun totin’ bitter clinger?

    1. Democrats had 60 senators in the US senate when they passed ACA. And they had to do it with reconciliation and nuclear option. They also had to convince Arlen Specter. It came down to the wire.

      There can be no lofty legislations with this legislative outlook. If it was that difficult before with a super majority, how do you expect it’s possible now?

      1. That was when we had a filibuster. It was pre Harry Reid getting rid of it for Appointments too, right?

        I expect the filibuster will be one of the first things to go, in a Democrat-controlled Senate.

      2. “Had to convince Specter,” LOL. Specter was a D for 5 out of every 6 years, until he finally declared himself a D for 6 out of 6 years.

    2. The SCOTUS; is a better bet than a minor lead in the senate.

      Yeah, penaltax Roberts sure did save us from the senate’s incompetence, right you dumb motherfucker? And just think how much better they’ll be able to hold the line when there are 14 justices, 5 of which have been minted by president Harris.

  19. Jeez, some of you people. I don’t care how hard Pelosi stomps her feet and says they have a “mandate,” the results of the election showed that they clearly don’t and every single Dem representative that doesn’t represent a deep blue urban shithole district knows it. The Ds got shellacked in house races, and it is going to be all about survival the next couple years. They know that the R base will be salivating for payback in ’22, and the president’s party gets spanked during the midterms as a rule anyway. Same goes for the Senate, though to a lesser degree as they aren’t all up for election; regardless of what Biden or Schumer want to do, they KNOW that they have been put on notice by the electorate, and anyone who has even a chance of being vulnerable to a Republican challenger (or getting primaried by a more moderate D) will act accordingly. If you’ve read any of the Twitter threads discussing the house Dem caucus conference call yesterday, you see it- these people are terrified and pissed at the message their party has put out there and in complete disarray. Literally crying and yelling at each other. I don’t like Ds having control of the administrative state, but I think congress will be relatively tame until the midterms.

    1. Great article on Redstate.com making this point. The comments from Pelosi, et al. is simply blather. The “Blue Wave” did not happen, regardless of how they wish to spin it.

    2. Has any President ever won the Presidency while his party LOST house seats? That’s Biden.

      1. Looked it up: happened numerous times: 2016, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1960, 1956.

    3. There are no Democrats representing anything other than deep blue urban shit holes you stupid fucking prick. You’re also looking at a huge shift when the Democratic court takes control of redistricting after the 2020 census and the introduction of DC and Puerto Rico as states. You stupid cunts should have paid attention when the Democrats told you exactly what they were going to do over the next few months.

      1. It’s good to see someone who recognizes that anyone and everyone with a D in front of their name is such an existential threat to liberty that anyone who disagrees in the slightest is an awful, awful human being.

        Please tell me you agree that authoritarian measures are needed to save the Republic

      2. Awwww… did he thwow away his little 0.00000007% vote on poor little Twumpie? Is that big bad Biden kicking sand in God’s Own President’s pouting face? Is that nasty Lolita Lebrón 2.0 about to scare him wif her luger pistols and Puerto Rican Spinach? My Schadenfreude; may God’s Angel bless your precious little heart with drooling happiness like the politician in the Mark Twain story.

    4. If Joe wins the litigation, and the house flips to the GOP at the midterm election, they can impeach him for all the shit that he’s done taking bribes through Hunter’s bag-man operations. Of course, they’d need a supermajority in the senate to kick his crooked ass out.

      If they somehow got that supermajority, then picking Willie Brown’s whore for VP will prove to be the smartest move he’s ever made in his entire career of public disservice. No way the Republicans would swap Joe for the Ho.

      -jcr

  20. You’re dreaming pal. They will regroup and keep lowering our standards. Progtards never give up and they rope in RINOs and libertarians along the way.

  21. Rebuke of Socialism? Are you fucking stupid? All 4 of the most rabid socialists in Congress got re-elected handily.

    1. Getting reelected as the D in a D+60 district says very little about how the rest of the country sees you.

      1. Getting reelected as the D in a D+60 district says very little about how the rest of the country sees you.

        a. It doesn’t much matter what the rest of the country thinks.

        b. Winning the primary says plenty about what Dems think.

    2. By their own districts…

    3. Legislators who hail from deep blue, progressive districts where Republicans have no chance and moderate Democrats fear to tread. They aren’t a representative sample of the nation.

      1. They aren’t a representative sample of the nation.

        They’re setting the legislative agenda of the entire Democratic Party, so either the Democratic Party is fucking retarded, or you are. Spoiler: It’s you. You are fucking retarded.

        1. Amen brother!

    4. Not ot mention all the pro-pot and anti-cop shit that passed. These people are living in their own world to write crap like this.

  22. The 2020 Election Results Look Like [Maduro’s most recent victory]

    1. One of those Latin American banana republics? Where God’s Own Prohibitionists, Ronnie, Biden and Phil sent billions of dollars to bribe the natives into making trade and production of leaves a crime–NOT violence? You pooor baybee. Maybe the AMA will tell Dem politicians that oil damages your cromiums, or See-Oh-Three, and then it’ll be banned! Venezolandos can be blessed, and meek, and pooor after “we” send more meddling billions.

    1. According to commentators here, it must be a ploy to trick us all so they can seize the levers of power through more subterfuge.

      1. It’s interesting you pretend the dozen complainers are the party.

      2. According to DJK the half-retarded radical left wing stupid cunt, the legislative agenda put forward by the DNC on their website and championed by their presidential candidate isn’t what they really mean. The Democrats are actually staunch hardcore conservatives who just hate that dastardly AOC and her squad. They only based their entire party platform on her ideals because they are charitable Christians.

        1. Democrats never lie. Democrats never throw red meat to their base.

          Whereas Republicans lie all the time when they run on a platform of making government smaller.

          Huh, you’re right. I always thought of Democrats as two faced crooks. I guess they were more honest then we all thought.

          They still need to be rounded up and imprisoned for treason.

    2. As details from the conference call emerged online, lawmakers demanded the guilty leakers be found

      Funny how much these people hate whistleblowers and are against transparency when it makes them look bad.

      1. Hoo boy:

        Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, a member of Democratic leadership, jumped into the call midway through to tell those on it to stop leaking. He also reminded them that reporters aren’t their friends, the Post noted. (“X” to Doubt)

        Rep. Pramila Jayapal, took it a step further and demanded Jeffries find the leakers.

        The Queen of Curry shrieks, “Off with their heads!”

        We (Dems and the media) need to stop this nonsense.’

        “Calm down, xers, we’re all on the same team, here!”

  23. I think much of the talk of socialism is just that, talk. The fact is that many of the things Progressive push have broad support. The problem is that they are in a hurry and change takes time. Progressives don’t need to change the world tomorrow, kept your head down and working and things will change.

    1. If all the things the democrat socialist want are not socialist, then what is it about the democrat socialist that make them socialist?

      1. Read about those people. Democratic socialists want a democratic political establishment and a socialist economy. However, most realize this is not possible at present–and thus they opt for social democracy as writ in social welfare and large government initiatives on healthcare insurance and the environment.

        When I hear the word, “socialism”, what I know is this: Some plutocrats are scared somebody’s going to take all their toys away from them.

        1. “” Democratic socialists want a democratic political establishment””

          There is nothing democratic when Cortez is about deciding what qualifies as a good job for everyone else. This was her stance on Amazon bringing jobs to Queens. The jobs were not good enough for her so no one should have them. If you are democratic, why not let the people decide if they are good enough.

          1. Her stance on bringing Amazon to Queens was simple: She knew that $100,000+ income-level housing in her district would usurp long-established families, ways of life, neighborhoods, and more. She rightly listened to her constituents who begged her to defend them from change they simply did not want. Her district is composed of very many poor families and individuals who simply do not have the knowledge set to qualify for the jobs Amazon was planning to move into that area. In other words, Amazon was trying for force an unwanted gentrification. That’s not always a wonderful thing.

            1. With no concern for the people who wanted the jobs Amazon was going to bring.

            2. “”Her district is composed of very many poor families and individuals who simply do not have the knowledge set to qualify for the jobs””

              Actually I live in Queens, and there are plenty of people who have the knowledge to work the jobs Amazon was bringing. Long Island City, Sunnyside, Woodside, Astoria sections of Queens are not mostly poor and are educated.

              Sure there are some poor, but she should represent all of us, not just her favored pets.

            3. Long Island City where Amazon was going to build is already gentrified. The Citibank building was the only sort tall building when I got here. Now it’s surrounded by tall condo buildings. The taxes people will pay owning the condos will help pay for social services programs in NYC.

              1. Here’s it from the horse’s mouth, AOC:

                “People weren’t reading this deal. People think that all $3 billion were in tax cuts. A lot of it was tax cuts,” she said, but “we had 500 million in capital investments that we were building. It was written into the deal that we were going to build a helipad even for Amazon. We were actually putting hard capital into helping them build their campus while we’re constantly told that there isn’t enough hard capital to heat the rooms in NYCHA last year.”

            4. So minorities in Democrat controlled queens (a majority Latino, Asian, and black according to the census) are too stupid to work at Amazon and the democrat controlled public schools and state universities are too incompetent to educate their citizens enough to work at Amazon.

              I don’t think that’s the point you wanted, but it’s the point you made.

              1. Lack of knowledge doesn’t automatically translate into stupidity. Maybe in your world it does. You know: On Earth 2.

          2. In theory, the democratic socialists would nationalize all major industries and leave local mom & pop businesses alone for the most part. It’s the large corporations they want the government to sieze control of.

            1. Which is a cap on how successful local mom & pop businesses can become.

  24. Over the next few years Sanders, Pelosi, Warren and other aging socialists or progressives will fade out of the picture. I suspect that while many minorities will stick with the Democratic party, and AOC or the squad not withstanding, as the minorities more and more take control of the party they will likely change it in ways not envisioned or approved of by the aging progressives.

  25. Why do I get the strong impression the author of this piece doesn’t have the faintest idea what socialism is, what democratic socialism is, and how both differ from what the Europeans dub “social democracy”?

    Shouldn’t journalists writing about these ideas be required to pass a sophomore political science class first?

    Elizabeth Warren, a Liberal, is not a socialist. Bernie Sanders, who caucuses with Democrats, is a democratic socialist. Modern Liberalism–which differs from Classical Liberalism–is the use by the American people of their government as a tool to fight the corruption and exploitation common among private or commercial interests. Democratic socialism, as the name implies, is a democratic political establishment paired with a socialist economy. Bernie Sanders and AOC both find it much more sensible to opt for social democratic policies which include social welfare, environmental enforcement, and a likely push for a government option in terms of healthcare insurance.

    Not one single bit of this is socialism.

    But I know, I know. In libertarian Disneyland, “socialism” has something to do with the size of government, an inaccurate and almost fraudulent assessment of an economic approach that can take one of two forms: either a communal (social) ownership of the means of production, or state ownership of it.

    And that’s it.

    The US does not have a problem with socialism. But the libertarian fruitcakes and their pseudo-conservative cupcake faction want low-information people too lazy to even look-up the terms on Wikipedia to think we do. And that is a problem.

    In 1874, at NYC’s Thompkins Square Park, a crowd of laborers gathered at a rally. The Pinkertons, a privatized police force, rioted, and much blood was shed. The next day, the newspapers shrieked, “SOCIALISM!” Actually, what the protesters wanted was the eight-hour day.

    In other words, the “socialism” word is an old trick plutocrats pull whenever they’re worried the government might make them follow rules. Hayek whines about “centralized control of the economy” and then here they come, the libertarians, thinking this is actually occurring in a country with between 15 and 30 million market capitalist enterprises. Like, sure, dude. Socialism is so definitely knocking on our doors.

    That’s a laugh. Read a book.

    1. “socialism” … can take one of two forms: either a communal (social) ownership of the means of production, or state ownership of it.

      And that’s it.

      Amusingly wrong but representative of how socialists and left wingers try to use language to hide reality.

      Business ownership includes the right to decide what products to offer, at what price, how to create and manage them, and to the income created by selling them for more than they cost.

      Every one of these rights is claimed by the government in either Obamacare or the CFPB. The income has been claimed by levying fees in exchange for the right to offer products, the other seem obvious enough. The result is that the function of Socialism can – and has been – achieved through the regulatory state.

      In the business world there is a concept called substance over form. This means the substance of a deal determines what it is, not the name (or form). So for example a 100 year lease for a car would be treated as a purchase even if you sign a contract that says “lease”. What this definitional approach is doing is arguing because the contract says lease it can’t be a purchase even if you’re paying the purchase price and will own the vehicle its entire useful life. It’s a dodge. The vehicle example is a purchase and a system where government controls anything about a business it wants to is socialism.

      1. What??? You think that Obamacare, a “market-based solution” to what almost everyone recognizes as a serious flaw in commercially-offered healthcare insurance developed by the essentially libertarian Heritage Foundation, is “socialism”? That’s hilarious. How does Obamacare work? The ACA seeks to coordinate privately-owned healthcare insurance companies into offering lower-cost healthcare insurance plans–and for those who cannot afford those, Obamacare seeks to expand Medicaid to help the poor afford healthcare.

        “Market based” does not equal “socialism”. I think where you go wrong in your assessment is that you have this misapprehension that “socialism” = “expanded government”. That’s incorrect. Nor does socialism mean that the government is moderating, coordinating or regulating commercial behavior in the marketplace. If anything, regulation helped stem the rise of socialism in the US.

        1. I think where you go wrong in your assessment is that you have this misapprehension that “socialism” = “expanded government”.

          This is clearly wrong. Your first mistake is the assertion I claimed Obamacare is socialist. Governments are socialist or not so the tests must occur there, not with individual policies. The policies reveal what rights government claims. I explained what the rights of ownership are and note if the government claims each of these rights it is socialist. It’s very strange you cannot address the issues, as if you feign incomprehension because it’s safer than addressing the issues.

          Rights of ownership claimed by government demonstrated by Obamacare:

          – mandates what products can be offered to customers.
          – levies fees (in exchange for nothing) payable to the government analogous to dividends.
          – mandates how customer pricing can be set.

          1. You might try writing with more clarity the next time….

            No, governments are not either socialist or not. Socialism doesn’t directly pertain to government at all; it’s an economic approach. Here’s what you wrote:

            “Business ownership includes the right to decide what products to offer, at what price, how to create and manage them, and to the income created by selling them for more than they cost.

            “Every one of these rights is claimed by the government in either Obamacare or the CFPB.”

            I think you’ve been in libertarian Disneyland for far too long. Where do rights come from? Some magician? In the real world, rights do not exist until they are conferred by government. Read John Locke’s Second Treatise Of Government; he spells it out quite nicely. In the real world of civil government, people relinquish their natural rights, the ones that exist among humans in a state of savagery, when they consent to a social contract in order to gain civil rights. All the rights you have are civil rights. You’ve tacitly consented to the commonwealth and no longer possess your natural rights. In a state of savagery, an individual takes what he or she wants. There are no borders, no rules. In a state of savagery, you want property or something of value, you take it. If someone challenges you, in a state of savagery, for possession of what you’ve taken, you fight them. Hobbes thus shows that humans exercising their natural rights are in a state of constant war with one another. Civil government ends that nonsense.

            Government does coordinate a few activities among private healthcare insurers. It doesn’t tell them what they can or cannot sell, but does indicate that it wants these private healthcare insurers to provide sensible policies at low cost because, otherwise, the lacuna leaves a hundred million or so people incapable of insuring themselves. The CFPB seeks to protect people who don’t have expertise in “the market” from predatory lending practices and so forth.

            You apparently want the “trust us” and “buyer beware” weirdness that actually feeds the growth of socialism as people react against that weirdness.

      2. In addition, the CFPB isn’t “socialism” either. Why would anyone have the lack of common sense to believe that, somehow, businesses should be allowed to reign above any and all laws or rules?

        The government has a role in protecting the public interest, not necessarily coddling the private sector.

        1. Why would anyone have the lack of common sense to believe that, somehow, businesses should be allowed to reign above any and all laws or rules?

          There’s an absurd strawman. Setting general safety or non-monopoly rules (among other types) are not relevant. It is the advance of business decisions by government that is the issue.

          The government has a role in protecting the public interest, not necessarily coddling the private sector.

          Government has gone from establishing minimum safety regulations to mandating how customer pricing will be set. In your fantasy description these are the same thing as if mandating that new sedans cannot cost more than $25,000 must be acceptable if we accept universally applied engineering standards. As government claims the right to mandate or approve more and more of the basic business decisions which are rights of ownership government and businesses are effectively merging. As the decision making moves to government it is appropriate to note it is becoming more Socialist.

          Of course the question at issue is not just where we are today but whether people who advocate ever increasing government control like Sanders, Warren, and AOC recognize any limit on government decision making. None have ever discussed one. Further their claims of authority no limits other than that they think it a good policy so any claim they do recognize a limit to government control is made without any evidence at all.

          1. Should be:

            ” Further their claims of authority [cite] no limits “

            1. In addition, I would like to see a federally-operated “public option” to replace the ACA. This would be an inexpensive option anyone can choose. It would thus compete with private healthcare insurers, and given that it’s less costly, I would not be surprised when people flock to it as an alternative to their exploitation at the hands of middlemen who pay themselves far too much.

              Then “the market could decide” in that competition. In other words, private healthcare insurers would be forced to lower their prices to compete with the public option. That will be interesting to watch. The only reason the Obama administration didn’t choose a public option alternative in 2009 is because the economy was in shambles because “the market” again was corrupt.

          2. OK. In terms of the ACA’s “market based solution” created by the essentially libertarian-oriented Heritage Foundation, what do you suggest instead? Keep the prices for healthcare insurance where they are and simply let those who can’t afford it use public hospitals, then refuse to pay? That was one big issue: people were hitting the ER, each visit costing from between $1,000 and $5,000–and then not paying. That was outrageously expensive to you, a taxpayer.

            Or, let’s conduct a short thought experiment. When critics of the War On Poverty see that it hasn’t “defeated” poverty and hasn’t been 100 percent successful, they call for its abolishment. Why? Not 100 percent successful.

            OK. So, private healthcare insurance can’t seem to manage to insure around 120 million because they are too poor to afford its products. So, since private healthcare insurance isn’t 100 percent effective–let’s abolish it altogether.

            We actually could come to a compromise where all are protected. But naw. You’re worried that–on principle–the government is meddling in the “God Almighty market”. Which is ludicrous. The issue is full coverage for all of us. As it is right now, and you can look this up, the CEOs (highest paid employees) of the top ten private healthcare insurers are each receiving in excess of right-figure annual salaries–on your dime. Who needs that much money? They’re milking you, and they’re milking millions. But, according to you, we should be forbidden by some magical “law” from altering this exploitation.

            You have some very odd conceptualizations of what freedom is. When 120 million people are deprived of it in this case, you’re down with it.

        2. “…Why would anyone have the lack of common sense to believe that, somehow, businesses should be allowed to reign above any and all laws or rules?…”

          What sort of pathetic lefty ignoramus would post such bullshit in the hopes that anyone would see it as other than a steaming pile of lefty shit?

    2. “”In libertarian Disneyland, “socialism” has something to do with the size of government, “”

      It has more to do with the scope of government control.

      1. State socialism goes far beyond “government control”. It is government ownership of the means of production.

        You go to Walmart. It follows federal and state and local regulations. Is it under “government control”?

        What I don’t want to see is economic control of the government. That’s just wrong.

        1. “”You go to Walmart. It follows federal and state and local regulations. Is it under “government control”?””

          That might depend on how many decisions Walmart can make without that decision being under a government regulation.

        2. While the right exaggerates when they denounce the welfare and regulatory states as “socialist”, and you are right that socialism proper is collective (worker, or public) ownership of the means of production, there is a Nozickian style argument to be made that income taxes are a government claim to your labor, property taxes are a government claim to your building, and regulatory controls deprive capitalists of their management rights. Government exercises dominion over both the usus and the fructus functions of ostensibly private property ownership.

        3. Gordon Hilgers
          November.6.2020 at 7:36 pm

          Where do lefty shits like this come from? Is it because mommy promised this stinking pile of lefty shit that mommy would always take care of the pathetic piece of lefty shit?
          Is it because this particular piece of lefty shit found out that holding a job and making a living meant taking personal responsibility?
          Or do we have a lefty scumbag not even worthy of examination?
          Fuck off and die; make your family proud, the world a better place and your dog happy, fuckface.

          1. It’s because libertarian magazines are like magnets to leftist intellectuals.

            Gee, I wonder why. Can’t possibly have to do with buttsex, or foreign savages, or ganja inhalation. Ya know, things that both leftists and libertarians love.

            1. I’m a Liberal, not “a leftist intellectual”. In a common sense way of thinking, Liberalism is the true centrism. Why so? Because it keeps the socialists and the capitalists watching their p’s and q’s and from each other’s throats. That’s pretty easy to see when you’re not bouncing off the walls after smoking White Widow and listening to Dead Kennedys, dude.

              1. Dead Kennedys is left wing trash.

                Smoking pot is a good way to turn into left wing trash.

                Liberal = watered down leftist.

                So your opinion is worthless. Good day.

              2. I am a moderate defined by centralism, but more by the idea of problem solving. I like the acknowledgment that but socialism and capitalism need checks. Most economies are a blend of socialism and capitalism. We need to keep them working together moving forward.

    3. “”almost fraudulent assessment of an economic approach that can take one of two forms: either a communal (social) ownership of the means of production, or state ownership of it. “”

      There is no communal ownership of the means of production. Being owned by “the people” is just another way of saying owned by the state.

      1. News flash: There are likely hundreds and hundreds of socialist businesses right here in America. Your neighborhood vegetable gardening cooperative is socialism. Market socialism implies a market, i.e. socialist businesses that participate in the market, just as do capitalist enterprises.

        Land O Lakes Dairies is an essentially socialist cooperative. It’s one of the most successful businesses in America. And it’s not controlling you.

        1. “”Market socialism implies a market, i.e. socialist businesses that participate in the market, just as do capitalist enterprises””

          As long as they leave the capitalist ok to do their thing as the capitalist want. I have little problem.

        2. “”There are likely hundreds and hundreds of socialist businesses right here in America.””

          Hardly the means of production.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)–

            If everyone in your gardening co-op has a share in 1) purchasing seeds and gardening tools, 2) working in the garden, 3) making decisions pertinent to the maintenance of the garden, and 4) share in its production, this is “communal (social)” ownership of the means of production.

            I think you’re confusing production with “the entire economy”.

        3. An important distinction in this is that farmer Bob is free to tell Land0Lakes to shove it, but enrollment in Medicare is defacto mandatory for every American over the age of 65. The communal ownership criterion is a red herring in medicine since “he who pays the piper calls the tune” – government pays, so government controls, even if Dr. George still nominally works for himself.

          1. Regarding your “de facto mandatory” nature of Medicare. Sure. You receive Medicare when you retire at 66. So? You can still use your private healthcare insurance policy if you feel like paying out the wazoo for the same thing you’d get from Medicare. People do that all the time.

            I’m retired. I use Medicare. On top of that, I use the public hospital’s plan that covers the additional 20 percent. My Part D provider is a freaking mess. And it wants me to replace what is working quite well with their Medicare Advantage plan.

            Like, in their dreams I will.

            1. “Regarding your “de facto mandatory” nature of Medicare. Sure. You receive Medicare when you retire at 66…”

              Are you stupid enough to miss the point, or willfully hoping no one would notice you had? hard telling with lefties; they are stupid if nothing else.
              Hint: GT was pointing out that the farmer was not coerced into joining a coop; the US population is not given that choice regarding Medicare.

        4. “…Land O Lakes Dairies is an essentially socialist cooperative. It’s one of the most successful businesses in America. And it’s not controlling you.”

          Lefties are abysmally stupid, so it’s possible our newest socialist apologist is stoooooooopid enough to both believe this and hope that others reading here will believe it.
          Hint, lefty shit: No one is coerced into joining Land ‘O Lakes; it is a voluntary organization.
          Now, try ‘not joining’ Medicare.

    4. You’re right in that we’ll never be a socialist country. But…the taxes necessary to implement the progressive agenda will crush the working and middle classes and stifle our economy beyond the left’s comprehension.
      In Denmark the middle class pays over 60% (income tax plus SS tax) in income taxes. They also have a 25% national sale tax. In comparison, in heavily taxed Massachusetts I pay 28% in income taxes (15 federal, 5 state and 8 SS/MC), which is less than half what someone at my income levels pays in Denmark. Our state sales tax is 6.25%, only a quarter of Denmark’s national sales tax. Big diff. So people who believe the healthcare and higher education systems in Western Europe are “free” are thoroughly under informed.
      Western European countries don’t have economies that produce jobs like ours does because their economies are burdened with incredibly high taxes. In reality, all the Western European countries combined haven’t given the world what American capitalism has in the last 200 years. It’s not even close. Flight, the assembly line and the microprocessor (to name just a few) changed the world for the better. Name one thing Western Europe has given us that comes close.
      The world needs American capitalism because it has made advances in medicine, science and technology the whole world has benefited from. Plus, the left claims our healthcare system is broken, which is idiocy. When I worked at Massachusetts Eye & Ear in Boston summers while in college people came from all over the world to see the specialists there because our healthcare is so much more advanced than the rest of the world’s.
      Example: during the commie-virus peak last spring in Italy their healthcare system administrators mandated only patients under 60 would be put on respirators. It didn’t work out well for those 60 and older. Hey, it’s “free” though right!!!
      Another example: I have MS and my doctor is at the Partners Healthcare MS Center (Massachusetts General and Brigham & Women’s Hospitals). There are about 20-25 MS specialist there. I have a friend who moved to Ireland after marrying an Irish guy and she was diagnosed with MS a few years after I was. They don’t have 20 MS specialists in the whole country. Hey, but it’s “free” right.
      Lastly, the Green New Deal is a ridiculous pipe dream. I worked in the energy industry for 35 years so believe me when I tell you those who think solar and wind can meet the electric demand of manufacturing believe it because they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. None. Solar panels on your roof are all well and fine but to believe solar can produce enough energy to meet the electric demand of a manufacturing facility is nonsense. Wind has its place but isn’t always practical.
      Quick example: A company on the Boston Harbor waterfront uses a 9,000 hp motor to grind cars into metal pellets. The property is maybe 1.5 to 2 acres in one of the most densely populated areas in the country. They have a 7 megawatt (7 million watts) electric service. To meet their demand with solar you’d need 7,000 1 kilowatt panels, which are the largest ones (the ones on your roof are 300 watt panels). Where would you put the 7,000 large panels on no more than 2 acres of land? You can’t, so solar isn’t an option for them. Large windmills can generate 2 megawatts and you’d need 3 of them, plus a smaller (1 megawatt) one to meet their demand. Again, where would you put them? You can’t and wind isn’t an option for them either. The AOC’s of the world have absolutely no idea how little they actually know and how foolish they sound when they claim solar and wind are our future.
      Don’t believe me? Ten or so years ago California mandated 25% of their electric generation come from green technology. This mandate resulted in the rolling blackouts they suffered this past summer, proving green technology wasn’t capable of meeting their electric demand. Newsome is such a clueless fool he’s on a mission to have 100% of their generation be from solar and wind, even though at 25% it required rolling blackouts.
      The problem we’re facing in America is our public schools and universities are filling our children’s’ heads with complete foolishness and millennials like AOC were taught things by liberal arts majors who don’t understand energy and have no idea how capitalism actually works. It’s frightening how sure of themselves her generation is, even though they have no idea what they’re talking about. They’re mostly clueless idiots, who are often wrong but never in doubt. Sadly, they’ll be in charge someday. As I say to my 87 year old father, he’s lucky he won’t be around for our demise.

      1. “You’re right in that we’ll never be a socialist country. But…the taxes necessary to implement the progressive agenda will crush the working and middle classes and stifle our economy beyond the left’s comprehension.
        In Denmark the middle class pays over 60% (income tax plus SS tax) in income taxes. They also have a 25% national sale tax…”

        Not sure about your conclusion, but as the founder of now a third company, I can tell you that the Danish tax rates would have simply not allowed me to start any of the three companies; there would not have been ‘disposable’ income to support even the government licensing costs, let alone the start-up vendor costs.
        It would be interesting to graph the start of small companies (which have the chance of becoming big ones; been fortunate twice) with the tax rates.

        1. Regarding the myth that “a progressive agenda” automatically translates into higher taxes, I’m calling bullpuckey.

          The median-income American in 2020 will pay around 12 percent of his or her total income tax to support social welfare. This translates into around $36/yr. That’s around the cost of a meal for four at Appleby’s. LOL

          Contrast to the something like $1,200/yr that goes to support, not the military, but military contractors, and lookie-lookie:

          You’re being exploited to pad the pockets of people who make stuff that kills.

          1. “Regarding the myth that “a progressive agenda” automatically translates into higher taxes, I’m calling bullpuckey…”

            That’s easy to understand coming from a fucking lefty ignoraamus.

            1. Sevo–

              Again, ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies which seek to deflect away from the conversation-at-hand. So OK. We know you hate a certain group of people. This is called bigotry. Not adult discussion.

              1. “…We know you hate a certain group of people…”

                Yes, lefty shits who presume what’s theirs’ is theirs’, and what’s mine is negotiable, regardless of the same lefty shits trying to make it sound as it it is other than theft.
                You are due every bit of my dislike for you, lefty shit.

      2. “those who think solar and wind can meet the electric demand of manufacturing believe it because they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about”

        No intelligent person has proposed eliminating all sources of power except for windmills and solar, so arguing against such doesn’t do much for a person’s credibility. Straw-man arguments are for people with straw for brains.

        1. Maybe no intelligent person, but California has set a goal no carbon power generation.

    5. Shut the fuck up you historical revisionist piece of subhuman dogshit. Keep LARPing your revolution until you’re standing there with your brains splattered all over the pavement while some low information country bumpkin stands there reloading to continue on with the rest of you.

      1. This is the best way to argue with leftists.

      2. Hilarious, Fake Hunter Biden. You said nothing. But you did imitate like a little monkey the “attack dog” nonsense of all the right-wing hate-mongers on AM radio, didn’t you. Do you really think attacking the source, a logical fallacy, accomplishes anything?

        You can actually purchase a book about logic and persuasion from Amazon. And it’s perfectly safe. Jeff Bezos is a libertarian fruitcake.

        1. “…Jeff Bezos is a libertarian fruitcake…”

          Your cite fell off, lefty shit.

    6. Actually it is socialism… You’re just too stupid to understand the connection between “environmental enforcement” and picking winners in one industry and losers in another based on ideology not markets.

      Actually it is socialism….youre just too stupid to realize the connection between “social welfare” and redistribution of wealth via taxing the successful to pay for the less successful. Which also pulls revenue from the real economy, because there’s only so much revenue to be made each year. As the % of taxes on revenue increases to the government the % of spendable capital in the market economy decreases equally.

      Actually it is socialism… You’re just too stupid to understand a government option means a government controlled institution producing a product or service. Socialism is the control of production and services by the government.

      So really, you’re just too stupid

      1. This “picking winners and losers” nonsense is like free candy to libertarian fruitcakes.

        This is an argument against subsidization. Say the corn belt is producing so much corn that, if the government didn’t pay farmers not to produce, corn’s market price would bottom-out and bankrupt all the farmers.

        Yay. Free dumb. And all the guys who make plastic army men for children will cheer because they never got subsidies not to produce plastic army men.

        1. “…This “picking winners and losers” nonsense is like free candy to libertarian fruitcakes…”

          “Personal responsibility’ is kryptonite to lefty shits like you.

          1. Oh, I get it. If the Corn Belt is going to have a bumper crop, “personal responsibility” would mean this: Farmer Jones cuts his production because he knows it’ll crash the market, and he takes a big financial hit on it but is being “personally responsible” even as the bank comes to take his property from him.

            The federal government, in subsidizing him not to produce so much, is actually not only giving him an incentive not to produce so much but is doing something that allows him to lower his production and still remain financially intact.

            You don’t seem to have a very good grip on people working together for common interests, do you.

            1. “Oh, I get it. If the Corn Belt is going to have a bumper crop, “personal responsibility” would mean this: Farmer Jones cuts his production because he knows it’ll crash the market, and he takes a big financial hit on it but is being “personally responsible” even as the bank comes to take his property from him…”

              “You have a talent for bullshit and an active fantasy life, don’t you?

    7. If I had power, you’d be locked up in a dungeon. Your ideas are poison.

      You’re a fucking traitor and a fucking disgrace to the human intellect.

      1. Sorry if you’re locked in a reactionary, cold war mentality that has no pertinence in the United States any longer. This capitalism good, socialism evil…is thoughtless, brainless. Neither is “all good” or “all bad”. The capitalists naturally aren’t going to like the socialists. Of course they won’t–they don’t want to lose their control and power. But most Marxian thinkers in the post-Cold War world realize that the “revolutionary moment” is over, and that REFORMED capitalism won against socialism hands down.

        How did that happen? We Liberals tossed the commies under the bus and drove over them. That’s what happened.

        1. “…This capitalism good, socialism evil…is thoughtless, brainless. Neither is “all good” or “all bad”…”

          You.
          Are.
          Full.
          Of.
          Shit.
          Fuck off and die, lefty scum.

          1. Not too good at adult discussions, are you….

            1. Not too good at honesty, are you?

    8. ‘Why do I get the strong impression the author of this piece doesn’t have the faintest idea what socialism is, what democratic socialism is, and how both differ from what the Europeans dub “social democracy”?’ Most likely because you also think you can read minds? The writers and commenters here don’t need drive-by socialists lecturing on the gloriousness of ocasio-cortez or socialism, and how nobody but you understands.

  26. Uh, where does it hurt did you say, again, there in the CotUSA??

  27. Identity politics. Did anyone else see the DNC? A Non stop bigot hunt.

    Good riddance. Too bad we couldn’t send sloppy Joe and The Smirk packing.

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  30. Dear Reason, please don’t let the identity-brainwashing hypnotize you. We don’t (or at least shouldn’t) have “cuban voters” in the USA. They’re called Americans, or perhaps Cuban Americans. Something their Trump support made pretty apparent.

  31. Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D–Va.) reportedly told fellow members of her caucus during a conference call on Thursday that they shouldn’t say the word socialism “ever again.”

    She’s not telling them to abandon socialist policies, she is telling them to not call their policies socialist in public because it doesn’t sell well.

    1. They’re not socialist policies, and the 1 member of Congress who is comfortable with the term is a dumb dumb for being so precious about it and falsely calling himself one. A small number of his followers insist that educating the population about how socialism isn’t so bad is more important than saving the world from Republicans.

      Most Democrats think saving the world is more important, and they seem to have won the argument, but we’ll see how it washes out in the autopsy.

      The headline, though, to me, is that Republicans alone in the world don’t believe in climate change and supported a fat orange sleazy psychologically demented TV bigot to rule the world. Much worse than fake socialism. Much.

      1. So you’re saying that Democrats believe that they can “save the world” by having the right people run the country. In other words, they are socialists. You simply don’t like the label.

        1. Not what socialism is. Otherwise your man crush on Trump is socialism. You thought he was the right person, right?

          “That’s not the same because he’s massively incompetent! He’s clearly the wrong person for the job, clearly!”

          1. “…Otherwise your man crush on Trump is socialism…”

            You would see liking his polices as a man-crush; you are both too stupid and bereft of anything like principles to see any choice as other than personal, shitstain.

          2. Not what socialism is.

            Yes, Tony, that is what socialism is.

            Otherwise your man crush on Trump is socialism.

            As progressives kept pointing out, Trump failed at “running the country”: he didn’t try to impose climate change policies, he didn’t try to redress racial injustices, he didn’t try to impose anti-COVID measures. Trump’s presidency largely consisted of doing very little, reducing the size of government, and letting markets and states do their thing. That’s why socialists hated him. Trump was president, but he wasn’t trying to “run the country”.

          3. Otherwise your man crush on Trump

            I disliked Trump as a person. But nasty, ill-tempered, and obscene as he was, he was still a nicer person than the alternatives.

      2. The Democrats don’t care about “saving the world”. If they actually believed that CO2 is going to fry us all, they wouldn’t be fighting tooth and nail against natural gas (which is why the USAs carbon emissions fell below the Paris accord target), or nuclear power (which really can make a dent in human CO2 emissions, unlike the fantasy of wind and solar power).

        If Obama believed a word of it, he wouldn’t have bought property on a beach, for fuck’s sake. If Gore believed it, he wouldn’t be living in a mansion that consumes well over 10x the power that a typical American house needs.

        So don’t fucking lecture us on climate change until you start denouncing the hypocrites who sold the story to you, you mendacious lefturd twat.

        -jcr

        1. Pointing out real or imagined hypocrisies doesn’t change any facts, and it doesn’t absolve Republicans for denying the problem exists.

          Keep carrying that lame, outdated nuclear talking point into the 22nd century. It’s just an excuse to do nothing and we both know that.

          1. “Pointing out real or imagined hypocrisies doesn’t change any facts, and it doesn’t absolve Republicans for denying the problem exists.”

            Continually repeating lies does not make them true, shitstain.

          2. and it doesn’t absolve Republicans for denying the problem exists.

            Republicans aren’t denying that a problem exist, they are simply denying that US government action is an effective way of addressing it.

            It’s just an excuse to do nothing and we both know that.

            No “excuse” is needed. Climate change is real, but the economically rational response, the response that is best for the US, is to do precisely nothing about it and let markets deal with it. That’s not just the opinion of Republicans, it’s also the conclusion of Obama’s own climate change report.

      3. It’s fun making up what an election says about what everyone thinks.

        It couldn’t simply be most of them think Trump’s an asshole. That’s too Occam’s Razor.

        1. It couldn’t simply be most of them think Trump’s an asshole. That’s too Occam’s Razor.

          What I can’t figure out is why that matters; Biden and Harris are just as much assholes as Trump, if not more.

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  34. This is the third place I’ve read essentially the same article (Reuters and Wall Street Journal being the other two). In each case, the same message: Dems lost because they didn’t fight hard enough against the label of socialist. I hope they keep that mindset, because the problem isn’t the word socialist, it’s that they are socialists no matter what they call it, and by some miracle, enough of the public has seen that to start to bring them into line – this time at least.

  35. The author has got to be kidding.

    The Democrats will begin infighting ala Cuomo and De blasio but the question is whether the GOP is bright enough to capitalize on this by getting rid of their dead wood and bringing in people who are sound on policy, stop using the idiotic term “conservative” and know how to explain the policies they advocate in populist terms.

    I wouldn’t bet the house on it.

  36. How will Robby “Clinger Whisperer” Soave’s points hold up if the Democrats send two Georgians to the Senate and control the House, Senate, and White House?

    Let’s check the final tally on votes for House members nationwide before concluding most Americans embrace a platform of bigotry and backwardness. The presidential count already demonstrates that the clingers are a minority nationwide.

    1. How much are you willing to bet on the democrats taking the senate?

      1. I bet a bottle Kirkland welches on any bet it loses. Lack of integrity is a hallmark for some.

    2. “…Let’s check the final tally on votes for House members nationwide before concluding most Americans embrace a platform of bigotry and backwardness.”

      Well, it’s looking like they at least got slobbering Joe to help them with their bigotry and backwardness.
      You can’t get much more bigoted than to desire affirmative action, and if you want backwardness, one more try at socialism will do fine until something better comes along, you slimy pile of lefty shit.

  37. The one thing that is extremely apparent is that neither of the Democrats or the Republicans, Biden or Trump have a mandate. It’s time for these political parties to realize that the majority of the population is AGAINST them and they therefore don’t have have anything close to being a mandate.

    Consider this. Biden has roughly 69 million votes and Trump has roughly 67 million votes. There are roughly 240 million eligible voters.

    For sake of argument let’s say Biden received 70 million votes and there are only 230 million eligible voters. This means that Biden received roughly 30% of the vote.Trump has even fewer votes so the percentage is even less.

    It is very apparent there is ZERO MANDATE considering the fact that roughly 70% of the eligible voters chose to not vote for them regardless of who eventually wins.

    1. Your comment is muy estúpido. As of this morning, Biden has 74,857,880 votes while Trump has 70,598,535. That turnout as a percentage is the highest in 120 years.

      1. So a ~5% delta constitutes a ‘mandate’? Muy estupido indeed.

  38. Despite this article’s claims to the contrary, Biden/Harris are the Left and are merely Socialism Under A Different Name. Deal with it.

    1. Despite your claims to the contrary, Biden/Harris would be considered traditional mainstream Republicans prior to 1980. It’s the Republican party that lost its way.

      1. “…Despite your claims to the contrary, Biden/Harris would be considered traditional mainstream Republicans prior to 1980.”

        Should I assume you’re too young to know what you’re posting about, or too fucking stupid?

        1. Both is a distinct possibility.

      2. Right, main stream Republicans have always been about gun control, abortion rights, government health care, destroying the oil industry…

  39. Biden won his “Big Mandate” to make America boring again and that’s about it. I for one look forward to gridlock. The less government action the better

  40. Despite this article’s contention, no “socialist” Democrats lost their seats. The dozen or so that did lost while running away from socialism and the left.

  41. Back in 1874, a large group of laborers rallied in NYC’s Thompkins Square Park. The private police, the Pinkertons, rioted, and much blood was shed. The next morning, the newspapers shrieked, “SOCIALISM!”

    What was the rally for? The eight-hour day.

    In other words, this is an old hat trick run by a faction of plutocrats alarmed that labor may get a better hand or that the government may step-in to make them follow rules, all to protect the American public.

    In the real world, socialism involves the communal ownership–ownership, not control–of the means of production. In a state socialist situation, this would mean the state owns the means of production.

    Right now, the United States has between 15 and 30 million market capitalist enterprises–all private ownership of the means of production.

    So. Tell me how socialism is a threat in the US. The actual Democratic Socialists of America barely boasts 50,000 members. CPUSA is far smaller. The claim that Liberalism or Progressivism is “socialism” is wrongheaded and fraudulent. Modern Liberalism was developed to COMBAT THE SPREAD of socialism. It worked–while the pseudo-conservatives and libertarians sat around and groused.

    1. “Back in 1874, a large group of laborers rallied in NYC’s Thompkins Square Park. The private police, the Pinkertons, rioted, and much blood was shed. The next morning, the newspapers shrieked, “SOCIALISM!”
      What was the rally for? The eight-hour day…”

      Does cherry picking pay a living wage?

      1. Oh, and regarding your claim about the Pinkertons “rioting” your stupidity ate your cite.
        Try “Meet You in Hell”, Standiford (no one’s idea of a capitalist tool), ch. 15, beginning pg163, regarding the Homestead Steel strike:
        The Pinkertons were dispatched to guard the premises against union thugs, and tried to find a place to disembark without conflict; they were attacked by the union thugs.
        The union thugs rioted and continued to do so with many deaths.

      2. And finally:
        “..Modern Liberalism was developed to COMBAT THE SPREAD of socialism. It worked–while the pseudo-conservatives and libertarians sat around and groused.”

        Yeah, outlawing petroleum (gov’t control over of a major industry with collateral control over many others), national M/W (gov’t control over most all businesses) and single payer heath (gov’t control over medical care) is all aimed at COMBATING THE SPREAD of socialism, according to this steaming pile of lefty shit.
        Do you really expect anyone to believe that pile of bullshit?

        1. It just doesn’t expect to be questioned or called on it. After all, in its experience, everyone always has the same opinion, says the same untrue things.

    1. If Republicans had been able to attract even slightly more votes from cities or coastal states, Biden would not have been successful.

      1. There has been a shift in that direction. Give it time.

        It’s hard to win against an alliance of big tech, big media, academics, and public sector employees

        1. It’s much easier to win if you can attract votes from the cities and coastal states. If Republicans think they can win with only rural votes and unskilled workers’ votes, they will lose again like this week.

          1. If Republicans think they can win with only rural votes and unskilled workers’ votes, they will lose again like this week.

            The people voting Democrat are: workers in government, tech, financial, legal, and medical fields; recent graduates indoctrinated by a couple of decades of government education and facing massive economic uncertainty; welfare-dependent minorities; single older people. Those are the Democratic voters, and that’s the issue. These people happen to live in cities because that’s where those lifestyles actually work; they couldn’t live anywhere else if they wanted to.

            Republicans have been trying to cater to these groups, which is why Republicans still keep getting about 50% of the vote. As Democrats are using government to create more of those people through various policies, Republicans shift more and more left to keep capturing 50% of the vote. That’s why Republicans don’t oppose gay marriage anymore and why Republicans haven’t pushed for full privatization of health insurance.

            Eventually, this dynamic is just going to move Republicans so far left that the difference between Democrats and Republicans becomes academic; that’s the case in much of the rest of the world.

            1. “Those are the Democratic voters, and that’s the issue.”

              That’s not the issue. The issue is not who they are but that there are more of them than rural and or unskilled workers, and there’s more to come in future.

              “Eventually, this dynamic is just going to move Republicans so far left that the difference between Democrats and Republicans becomes academic”

              That may be true. If socialism is to have any success in the states, it’ll need the voters to demand it in the form of things like health insurance like most of the world’s wealthiest countries, and other such schemes. That’s how it works in places like the UK and Canada, where even the most conservative governments keep public health care/insurance going and not privatize it for fear of voter backlash.

              1. That’s not the issue. The issue is not who they are but that there are more of them than rural and or unskilled workers, and there’s more to come in future.

                Of course these groups are growing: Democrats and progressives are bankrupting our nation and destroying our social fabric to create more of them.

                If socialism is to have any success in the states, it’ll need the voters to demand it in the form of things like health insurance like most of the world’s wealthiest countries, and other such schemes. That’s how it works in places like the UK and Canada,

                No other civilized, wealthy country has the corrupt kind of faux-socialism that progressives in the US are putting in place.

                1. “No other civilized, wealthy country has the corrupt kind of faux-socialism that progressives in the US are putting in place.”

                  It will continue as long as Republicans cannot offer an attractive alternative, or try to gain power by relying on rural and unskilled voters, eschewing voters from the cities and coastal regions. The past week should have made that clear to anyone.

                  1. It will continue as long as Republicans cannot offer an attractive alternative

                    That’s like saying “kids won’t clean their rooms until there is an attractive alternative to cleaning their rooms” or “kids won’t stop eating candy until there is a more attractive alternative to candy”.

                    People don’t embrace conservatism and libertarianism because they like it, but because they are adult enough to understand that the alternatives just don’t work.

                    or try to gain power by relying on rural and unskilled voters, eschewing voters from the cities and coastal regions

                    You still fail to understand that the cities and coastal regions don’t contain a random selection of voters, they are dominated by just those voters that Democrats are buying with their government programs (financed largely through debt and inflation). There is no way for Republicans to gain those voters without actually paying those voters more than Democrats are paying them. If they started doing that, they’d be as useless as Democrats.

                    The only way this is going to change is for people in cities and coastal areas to come to their senses. I have little hope that’s going to happen, and there is nothing Republicans or Libertarians can do about it. I think the US is in a death spiral, I just hope it is slow enough that I don’t have to worry about it.

  42. “Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D–Va.) reportedly told fellow members of her caucus during a conference call on Thursday that they shouldn’t say the word socialism “ever again.””

    Socialism, that is real socialism, killed 100 million people in a single century. You’d think that alone might be a reason to stop advocating it, and not that it may have cost a few votes in a single election!

    The desire for complete control of the individual will not stop even if the term “socialism” disappears from the dictionary as well as general public discourse.

  43. Soave needs to rethink his writings.
    Biden has said in his second debate he’s going to close down the oil industry. (Gee, won’t that do wonders for the economy), sign the Paris Agreement, launch the New Green Deal and Medicare for all .
    I’m sure Biden, the far-sighted capitalist, wouldn’t think of having the taxpayers to pay for all these wonderful progressive ideas. He and his pals like AOC, Schumer, Pelosi, etc. will be more than happy to pay for it themselves.
    Won’t life be wonderful?

    1. Democrats justify electing Biden by believing that he lied about those things and that that’s ok. VP cackles made that clear herself “it was a debate”.

  44. Soave misspelled the word “affirmation.”

    1. It’s a difficult word to spell.

      The 2020 Democratic primaries were a rebuke of socialism. The 2020 election was a rebuke of Trump.

      1. I wouldn’t call such a narrow victory a “rebuke”, in particular given the massive propaganda campaign against Trump.

        1. Maybe defeat is a better word. Though I don’t think socialism was defeated; we haven’t heard the last of it.

          1. What people like Biden, Harris, and Clinton are promoting isn’t even socialism, it’s oligarchy and corruption.

            1. Biden is a corporate stooge from way back, not all that different from any of his recent predecessors you care to name. Harris, I don’t know, but I suspect she’s cut from the same cloth. If it’s socialism you’re worried about, you should be relieved. Wall Street and America’s most successful industries gave millions, maybe even 100s of millions to the BIden campaign. They know the accusations of socialism are cynical red baiting and nothing more.

              Sanders and his ilk are much more socialistic, along the lines of the socialists you’ll come across in Canada or the UK.

              1. If it’s socialism you’re worried about, you should be relieved

                Which part of What people like Biden, Harris, and Clinton are promoting isn’t even socialism, it’s oligarchy and corruption. was hard to understand?

                Sanders and his ilk are much more socialistic, along the lines of the socialists you’ll come across in Canada or the UK.

                I can’t speak for Canada, but Sanders is an idiot and his ideas are nothing like how even the European left operates.

  45. I worked with some girls that escaped Bosnia after the fall of the Soviet union. They too are scared to death of what they see in the Democrats. all too familiar for their liking.

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    1. @Titus PUllo

      From your lips to God’s ears.

      A large portion of my wife’s family farms in the San Joaquin Valley of California. They have been farming for generations.

      Much of what they have done in the past has been environmentally destructive and, the mechanization of agriculture has made it worse due to the sheer size and impact of operations these days.

      But, I have watched them get hit with regulation after regulation that ordered them to change their ways. Much of it, they just don’t understand or care too. They have become politically so far right that they’d vote in anyone who would repeal those regs or at least get off their case.

      I have a much better understanding of the environmental impact their former operations had on all of us and the long range implications. They just don’t get it.

      However, I feel their pain too. I can’t just blindly support this government suppression of their way of life.

      They were just doing what they know, trying to keep it all together. And every time they turned around, they were hit with some additional “blame” for an issue they had trouble comprehending and were ordered to cease or to do something additional.

      It’s like an enemy occupation of a foreign country. If the occupiers suppress the natives with all they’ve got they’ll maintain control.
      But, they are either going to end up killing all the natives or getting beheaded in a bloody revolution. Neither result is a “win” for anyone.

      The man can keep people down for a while but, not forever. No matter how much power the rulers have, they can’t control the minds of their subjects and, using force on them only strengthens the subject’s resolve to rid themselves of the occupiers.

  49. Although if AOC needs consoling…

  50. Great news! The public has rejected Socialism. By a majority it now it now chooses fascism. (sigh)…If only VI and Leon were here to appreciate the moment with wry smiles.

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  52. I do not believe in socialism, nor do I believe it’s precepts say very nice things about the proponents’ views of human.

    However, in general, I’ve had the pleasure of knowing many socialists, who are all very tired of my capitalism. My pleasure stems from those socialists I’ve met who’ve expressed the same end-point as me, a capitalist, for the future of human life and experience.

    For me, I say affordable and high quality healthcare; they say universal and free – but we both ultimately mean that people have access to good healthcare in some manner. The same can be said for many other subjects.

    In the United States, we’re lucky that the socialists are not conservatives. In some countries, such as China or Venezuela, they are conservatives. But here, their social beliefs regarding the freedom of the individual in choices regarding their own body or their association with others is astoundingly similar.

    I look forward to a day that we realize the similarities with our two American factions, because we are both opposed the oppression of the individual in many respects. However, we all have a lot to learn before that happens.

    Again, I want to acknowledge that they are miserably misguided in their views of economics and the horrendous impacts of their policies. Generally, however, they aren’t moved by the practicality of their policies, but simply by the desire to improve the world and the lives of their fellow man. I choose to judge them on that; not on their abilities to accomplish these goals. That’s where we Libertarians come in.

    1. But here, their social beliefs regarding the freedom of the individual in choices regarding their own body or their association with others is astoundingly similar.

      Unfortunately you’re describing the left up until about 8-10 years ago. Something happened… some kind of glitch in the left matrix has been taking them down a very dark path. And because no one on the left seems to be able to articulate what “going too far left” looks like, there are no brakes being applied.

      1. Who are you talking about though? Four members of Congress? College students?

        It’s the Biden administration. It won in part by explicitly rejecting the party’s extreme. At least be happy about that. Common ground is possible if you can acknowledge that reality.

        Because meanwhile the Qanoners seem poised to be the most vocal faction of the Republicans.

  53. Reason pictures AOC in their article about a massive rejection of socialism, while AOC calls it a mandate for socialism. LOL

  54. What about pre-existing conditions? Trump was emphatic that he would cover them. There is no way to “cover” them adequately without getting healthy people to subsidize people with pre-existing conditions. I know this sounds pedantic but that’s kind of Socialism-like.

    Trump also sold his supporters on the idea that we should use tariffs and trade protectionism to call winners and losers in the industries. Not Socialism, but certainly not free markets.

    And let’s not forget that Trump supporters were on board with using labor regulation via immigration blockages to force wages up. Again, another form of meddling with the markers.

    So it is important to acknowledge that while much of America rejected “Socialism” they didn’t exactly endorse free-market policies.

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  57. One percent voted libertarianism, I would call it a continuing massive rebuke of that

  58. There’s an argument that some of the center-left Democrats who lost house seats lost them because they weren’t socialist enough.

  59. told fellow members of her caucus during a conference call on Thursday that they shouldn’t say the word socialism “ever again.”

    It’d also be nice if they’d stop with the racism, othering and ever-granular categorizing of every human being on the planet by skin color gradation and “lived experience”.

    It would also be super-nice if they would stop accusing anyone who disagrees with them on any picayune issue of being a White Supremacist Nazi.

    I’m actually more than happy to discuss the nuances of a Public Option, Tariffs, $15 minimum wage, and maybe a dozen other issues of national and economic concern. But if the left doesn’t stop it right the fuck now with their racism, I will hold them with a high degree of distrust and disdain.

    1. Fair enough. I don’t suppose you could offer a small concession in return: just don’t pay attention when they’re not talking to you.

      Unlike Republicans, Democrats have to deal with a diverse coalition of interests, and that includes their strongest supporters, the blacks. Ignoring their stated interests would kind of be like letting Republicans and all their decades of racist hysteria win.

      Police abuse should be the biggest no-brainer of all when it comes to alliances between progressives and libertarians. Are we only allowed to talk about it if we leave the specific grievances of black people out of it so that you don’t feel uncomfortable?

      I hate sports, but it’s ubiquitous in my culture. To deal with that set of facts, I just change the channel. The race stuff is just not about you.

      Granted, nothing has been a bigger detriment to Democrats over the decades than them sticking their necks out for black people. The GOP in its modern form would simply not exist without the civil rights era to react to. Part of me can’t let go of the fight against the forces of evil, but it would be stupid not to have learned some lessons about marketing the project in a country full of hypersensitive white people.

      1. Unlike Republicans, Democrats have to deal with a diverse coalition of interests, and that includes their strongest supporters, the blacks. Ignoring their stated interests would kind of be like letting Republicans and all their decades of racist hysteria win.

        Democrats treat blacks like subhumans. And “racist hysteria” describes Democrats quite well.

        Fortunately, blacks are waking up to how Democrats think of them and abuse them.

  60. It’s not just that the word socialist scares people; the Democrat policies are actually socialist, as in inspired by and justified via Marxist economic theories. We just saw Harris conflate equality with equity. Democrats don’t believe in free markets, plain and simple. They think that freedom is a guise for exploitation. They think that the answer to a limited range of choices is to force others to provide better choices and they’re naive enough to believe that imperial decrees magically will everything into existence. They refuse to accept the reality of scarcity and hate nuance. They don’t care if govt action will cause harm because we have to do SOMETHING.

    In short, they’re the same utopian Marxists who caused the worst tragedies in recorded human history.

  61. “A Biden presidency and a GOP Senate could keep the left out of power for years.”

    I stopped reading at that point.

    Biden may be less “left” than AOC pictured at the top of this article, but please, the left is in power now.

    Have you looked at his VP? Have you looked at his agenda?

    We are about to take this country on another great experiment. We’re going to head deeply into progressivism. And, it won’t turn out well, for any of us. It will just take a while for the “woke” to wake up and tack away.

    1. Feels like we are heading toward European socialism, economic mediocrity and an even bigger bureaucratic state to regulate away our freedoms.

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  64. If Trump didn’t have such an abrasive personality he would have won easily. Still you have a democrat president and congress being pushed hard and being pushed out by the younger more socialist wing of their party. Trump at least moved the judiciary in a more Libertarian direction.
    Jorgenson was a complete non factor despite being on the ballot in 50 states. A few wins on drug issues it all libertarians can hang their hat on this past election. This election was a disaster for us.

    1. Excellent comment ….

  65. Every idiot who voted for Joe Biden deserves ALL the misery coming their way.

  66. In three words, the worst slogan of 2020 — leaving aside the incitement of Trump’s Twitter feed or the inanity of Kelly Loeffler’s Attila the Hun ad, neither of which strictly qualify as a slogan — was “Defund the police.” Not ‘get better training for the police’, ‘repair the rules of engagement of the police’, ‘stop the police from being co-opted into being a social service agency’, ‘get rid of restrictive police union practices’, or ‘reorganize small town and suburban police into viable departments that pay their officers an actual living wage’. But simply trying to distill all that into the stupid, mindless, threatening line of “Defund the police.” If you want to identify the source of Democratic underperformance, that’s where you start.

    Second point. Trump would have won without covid. First, Democrats wouldn’t have dog-piled into a workable candidacy without the onset of the covid crisis. Second, people failed to see Trump’s bribery or his rampant deficit-building tax cuts and spending for what they were. Instead they mistook it for sustainable economic growth. That spells trouble, both in the short run and the long run, unless the Modern Monetary Theory crowd knows what they’re talking about, and even if they do it won’t work if they just spend the borrowing on whatever.

    Third, I want to ask this question. Two California congressional districts in Orange County right next to each other. Both prosperous. Both suburban. Both 60 percent white, 20 percent Asian, 20 percent Hispanic. Both with clear Republican majorities in voter registration. In 2018, they both go Democratic; one elects a Progressive Caucus Democrat who is clearly left wing, basically a European social democrat. The other elects a New Democrat Caucus centrist who is a free-market Lockean classical liberal. Both draw strong Republican opponents in 2020. The social democrat, Katie Porter, wins easily over Mission Viejo mayor and retired colonel Greg Raths. The classical liberal, Harley Rouda, loses narrowly to Orange County Board chair Michelle Steel. What do you make of that?

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