Police Abuse

Salt Lake City Police Shot a Teen During a Mental Health Wellness Check

"I don't feel good. Tell my mom I love her," the 13-year-old said immediately after being shot.

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The Salt Lake City Police Department is facing another use-of-force controversy after shooting a distressed 13-year-old with mental health issues. (SLCPD)

According to a statement from the SLCPD, the teen's mother called 911 on September 4 to report that her son "was having a mental health issue and may be violent." The teen's mother provided additional information in the statement, saying that while her son did not like law enforcement, she believed police officers were the only ones she could call for help. When officers arrived, the teen's mother indicated that she wanted her son to go to a hospital to receive assistance.

After receiving information from the teen's mother, officers staged themselves around the home and knocked. Police body camera footage from the incident, available here, show the moments leading up to the shooting.

Officers pursued the teen, who fled from the house. After catching up with him, an officer shouts at the teen to "get on the ground." The teen continues to walk down the sidewalk. A few moments later, another command to "get on the ground" is issued just before an officer shoots the teen.

The shot teen is lays down on the sidewalk and tells the officers, "I don't feel good. Tell my mom I love her," while the officers shout at the teen to show his hands.

The shooting begins after 17:55 (content warning)

The statement says that officers handcuffed the teen and rendered aid "until medical professionals arrived and took over." The teen was later transported to a hospital.

The teen sustained injuries in his shoulder, ankles, and stomach.

The SLCPD statement also notes that all new officers receive a 40-hour course on mental health and policing.

"Topics include an overview of mental health conditions, medications, treatments, procedures and community resources," the statement reads. "Site visits and interactions with those who experience mental health issues help build officers' understanding and increase the likelihood of a positive outcome by utilizing available resources."

According to the SLCPD's use-of-force policy, officers are supposed to take into account a subject's "mental state or capacity" prior to using force.

The shooting will be investigated internally and by a civilian review board, and the department will not be commenting on the shooting any further.

The SLCPD is also facing criticism for an officer's decision to command a police dog to bite a man who was already on his knees and had his hands raised in the air. The department will now suspend its use of police dogs.

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132 responses to “Salt Lake City Police Shot a Teen During a Mental Health Wellness Check

  1. Sooner or later, the public should catch on that maybe a hammer isn’t the best tool for every job.

    1. Not with articles like this one, they won’t.

      If there’s a coherent argument for action there, I’m not seeing it.

      Where’s does it say what we should do differently?

      1. Why does every article have to include explicit recommendations? The point of the article is clear: don’t call 911 unless you want them to treat the incident as criminal. It doesn’t need to say more.

        1. Should handheld fire extinguishers be used on the mentally ill instead?

          1. Nets.
            We need to bring back nets.

            1. Actually a GOOD suggestion for once! Wow!

              I hope it’s not sarcasm? (Less-lethal force is a GOOD thing, when trying to force your will on a RETREATING person, should such a need for capture be legitimate).

              1. So you’re saying you’re tired of having people tase you and give you PRN’s.

                1. I quit working at shoprite and now I make $65-85 per/h. How? I’m working online! My work didn’t exactly make me happy so I decided to take a chance on something new… after 4 years it was so hard to quit my day job but now I couldn’t be happier.

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            2. Bubble wrap. That will distract them

            3. Nets.
              We need to bring back nets.

              Didn’t we just have a story where the guy died with a net anti-spit guard over his head?

          2. The cops are only issued one tool – so to them that gun *is* a fire extinguisher too.

          3. Call animal control and borrow a tranq gun.

            1. Reason has covered cops who were given the ability to call in ems to tranq suspects and they ended up dead from bad reactions. It was ketamine they were using, which is usually pretty safe, but these guys were indiscriminately using it for everything, and the dude who had a bad reaction was already ODing on something else I believe.

              I forgot the specifics, but suffice it to say, we don’t need cops running around with blow darts. We don’t need cops doing anything with mental issues. In fact, unless it’s something violent, we don’t need cops for anything. Well, personally I’ll take my chances with any and all violence before inviting the cops over for target practice, just on general principal.

              Fuck da police

        2. “Why does every article have to include explicit recommendations? The point of the article is clear: don’t call 911 unless you want them to treat the incident as criminal. It doesn’t need to say more.”

          That point is only clear to people who already believe that.

          anti-fa might link to this article–and fully endorse it, too–because making cops look bad is the whole point of the article isn’t it?

          Put a point in your fact salad somewhere, or your article is at best a Rorschach test. At worst, it’s outrage pr0n.

          1. It isn’t “making the cops look bad”- cops shooting a 13 year old for walking away from them is making them look bad. Some times just reporting the facts is enough.

            1. “Some times just reporting the facts is enough.”

              Overt gets it! HooRay for Overt!

              If Reason writers DID make recommendations for “fixes”, the “lawn order” folks here would nit-pick Reason to DEATH, and call Reason “Marxists”!

              Do you know who else was in favor (at ALL costs!) of “lawn order” and “making the trains run on time”?

              1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

              2. Yeah. The only people who should never able to nitpick others is Reason writers. Why offer solutions. Thats hard. Easier to bitch and eat shit, right sqrsly?

                1. Solution is here: Stop being copsuckers and bootlickers!

                  Reason has listed them: Bust police unions, and get rid of qualified immunity, among others! But the copsuckers and bootlickers bad-mouth the fixes, and go right on being copsuckers and bootlickers! What a surprise!

                2. Here is an example of a Reason writer discussing a “fix” to cops run wild.

                  https://reason.com/2020/06/26/tucker-carlson-qualified-immunity-fox-news/#comments

                  And in the comments, what do we find? One of our MOST favorite bootlickers and copsuckers, trying to divert attention AWAY from the dumpster fire, and ANY “fix”! To totally irrelevant, favored axe-grinding topics of conservative nut jobs!

                  JesseAz
                  June.26.2020 at 7:22 pm
                  GOP wants to murder George Floyd – Pelosi.

                  No comment from Billy

                  Histrionics from Tucker about lawsuits crippling police work…

                  Binion to the typewriter!

                  1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

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                  2. What’s it like to be such a failure you can’t even kill yourself without fucking it up sqrlsy?

            2. Actually, pointing to the cops shooting a 13 year old isn’t good enough. There are things we should do in response to that, and there are things we shouldn’t do. If you’re looking for a list of things we shouldn’t do, I’d point to all the looting and arson perpetrated everywhere from Portland to Chicago and from Minneapolis to New York City in recent months.

              Would you like to talk about all the bad things Assad has done, too? Or are on board with the idea that there are bad things we could do in response to Assad’s misbehavior–like invade Syria? Assad’s done worse things than shoot 13 year olds in the back. And there are things we should and shouldn’t do about that. Pointing out that Assad is awful doesn’t really tell us anything.

              1. If you’re looking for a list of things we shouldn’t do, I’d point to all the looting and arson perpetrated everywhere from Portland to Chicago and from Minneapolis to New York City in recent months.

                Well, good. Because no one is doing that here.

                However, one of the things cops shouldn’t do is shoot people simply because they don’t comply with commands they may not even have the authority to issue.

                1. We all knew that, except apparently Ken.

                2. “However, one of the things cops shouldn’t do is shoot people simply because they don’t comply with commands they may not even have the authority to issue.”

                  We were already aware of that.

                  Now what?

                  So now we should vote for Joe Biden?
                  So now we should ban hate speech?

                  Your observation that the police shouldn’t shoot people in the back for no good reason can be used to argue for all sorts of things.

                  Should we start burning the city down until they defund the police?

                  Because Assad attacks his own people with WMD means that we should invade or it doesn’t. If you write an article to stoke outrage about that and don’t suggest we shouldn’t invade, you might as well be writing an article that’s pro-warmongering. And if your best defense is that you weren’t really trying to warmonger by stoking outrage, then I won’t apologize for talking about it as outrage porn.

          2. You just come across as an insufferable dickhead, the cops in this country are out of control, ful stop. Only the retarded or willfully ignorant are unable to understand that. What is it with the horde of authoritarian halfwits commenting on every article on a libertarian site? We get it, you love the taste of pig dick, go to a law enforcement forum and circle jerk them. How many more ‘facts’ do you need about the cops shooting and mentally ill and stunted teenager in the fucking back before you’ll call it what it is: WRONG!

            1. “The cops in this country are out of control, ful stop.”

              Right, and there are people who think the solution is affirmative action, looting, arson, banning hate speech, regulating social media, and voting for Joe Biden.

              Stoking outrage against the police is just as supportive of those efforts as they are for ending the drug war, using PET teams to deal with psychotic episodes, and getting rid of qualified immunity.

              If you’re just stoking outrage–and not directing it at anything other than the the police–you’re throwing kerosene on whatever people happen to already think.

              1) Premise
              2) Premise
              3) Conclusion

              If you don’t add a conclusion at the end, people will fill in the blank with whatever they want–usually what they already believe. That isn’t advancing the cause of police reform. That’s just making people angry for the sake of making them angry.

              It’s called “outrage porn”, and because imagine it only confirms whatever beliefs you already hold dear doesn’t make it so.

          3. “because making cops look bad is the whole point of the article isn’t it?”

            It’s not the article that makes the cops look bad. Reporting on cops making cops look bad is fair game.

            If the cops don’t like what Antifa will make of it, perhaps they should try behaving better.

            1. It’s not about whether the cops like it.

              If we libertarians want to make the libertarian argument for things, then we need to make an argument.

              Premise
              Premise
              Libertarian conclusion

              1. Assuming facts in evidence presented.j

                13 year old boy his mother calls 911. Her son has mental illness. Never call the cops but that is the first mistake.

                Premise first is do not call the police unless you are in dire circumstances. Even then they are not likely to get there soon enough.

                Second is the police will potentially act with lethal force. I cannot understand why running away is a lethal threat.

                Conclusion. Do not call the police for a domestic situation.

        3. Well, what’s the point of the article if not to advocate for some kind of police reform or changes to policing?

          1. See my comment below.

            Do you know what a Rorschach test is?

            People see what they want to see if you don’t tell them what you’re trying to show them.

            People want us to be angry for all sorts of reasons–some of them good. Some of them not so good.

        4. Unless the point of the article was that these officers slept through their training.

          The entire BLM ✊???? (Default emoji!) movement focuses on racist cops instead of dumb policies.

      2. I think it is worthwhile to report what happened. It is bizarre to me that Police have the power to just shoot someone for walking away from them.

        1. Comply or die.

        2. It’s bizarre to me that people vote for city council members and district attorneys who protect the cops from accountability.

          I wonder how many of the protesters we see on the news have bothered to check whether their local candidates for these offices in November have been endorsed by law enforcement unions.

      3. Holy shit are you still on about that after all this time? Get over it.

        1. The facts haven’t changed.

        2. P.S. I’d love to have been the genius responsible for coining the term “outrage porn”, but it was invented by someone else a long time ago.

      4. Are . . . are we serious here?

        Did the teen commit a crime? Did he threaten the officers?

        Maybe I missed it but what justifies this shooting?

        So, you want a recommendation of what they should have done differently? How about just walk away? They could have just walked away. Maybe left a cop to watch the house for the kid coming back.

        1. The point is that the article will NOT lead toward a consensus because everyone will have a different idea of what was wrong.

          1. They’ll have their own idea of what to do about it–and most of those “solutions” are not libertarian.

            Even if Saddam Hussein really had WMD, that was not the end of the discussion.

            We could have chosen not to go to war–despite Saddam Hussein having WMD. They will use whatever facts become available to make it seem like favorite solution is the only available option.

            Same thing here.

            We were attacked with anthrax in 2001, so now there’s no choice but to occupy Iraq for 18 years?

            There are a hundred solutions being proposed to stop cops from shooting people in the back for no good reason right now, and some of them are awful. If all you’re doing is stoking anger towards the police, you’re supporting the awful solutions just as much as the others. They shouldn’t expect us to thank them for that.

            1. What are these awful solutions they have that keep you living in fear? Too afraid to condemn these trigger happy police.

    2. Especially a hammer with a mind of its own which likes shooting people who disrespect it. People should treat the police as they would a hungry junk yard dog.

      1. People should treat libertarians like pedophiles.

        1. Right-wing nut-jobs like to say things like this, and then shrug their shoulders when NASTY VIOLENCE results from their LIES!

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

          1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

    3. I really don’t know if that will happen. What is needed is a firm decision on who handles mental health issues in the community. If it is the police then those police officer need training on how to handle and deal with the mentally ill individual. If not we some other crisis official to go to the scene and address the issue.

      1. I think it is different. We need a good moral theory on what we as a country ought to do about mental illness.

        This sounds like a bunch of navel gazing but I am serious.

        There are a couple of areas where libertarian thought has a lot of disagreement. Abortion is one, and mental illness is another. I think there is a lot to be done in re-formulating a response to how libertarians approach mental illness. This is an area ripe for abuse, but also with severe consequences when we choose not to engage.

        1. And btw: the reason this resonates with me is that here in Orange County, CA, cops just shot to death a homeless man who, according to the video evidence seemed mentally ill (to me).

          This will played up into a race-baiting cluster fuck, but it is much more difficult to parse. It is a fact that California essentially gives a privileged status to the homeless. All sorts of nonsense ensues, like requiring formal eviction and warrant requirements for kicking a tent off public land. There are tons of ways that tie the hands of anyone trying to deal with the homeless here.

          So San Clemente has figured out a way to deal with the problem. If they think you are homeless, they do everything in their power to get you the fuck out of their jurisdiction. They round up homeless people regularly for petty crimes (like jay walking in the recent shooting) or use “wellness checks” to bet people shipped up to hospitals in Santa Anna, to get these people out of the city.

          It seems like a dick move, but as a libertarian, I’m trying to figure out what the fuck you do about this. In Libertopia, these feral people wouldn’t be “homeless”, they’d be “trespassers” on private land with the appropriate response. But the public overlap has complicated things immensely, and we need libertarian work to identify real policy proposals that will deal with people suspected to lack free agency in a way that still respects their inalienable rights, without committing community suicide.

          1. But the public overlap has complicated things immensely, and we need libertarian work to identify real policy proposals that will deal with people suspected to lack free agency in a way that still respects their inalienable rights, without committing community suicide.

            The US started out as a country in which towns and counties operated very much like HOAs of private property owners: land owners paid taxes, land owners voted, and those taxes and votes built roads and parks and paid for police and school. People who violated community standards could be banished and/or declared outlaws. That seems to be consistent with libertarian views, with any additional accommodations being a form of voluntary charity.

            If you believe that there is an inalienable right of any US citizen to enter and use any space financed by local property owners, then obviously there is some kind of contradiction, but that contradiction is a result of the fact that your assumption is incompatible with a free society.

            1. So, eliminate (or at least minimize) public property and areas?

              1. Yes, that’s the libertarian way: eliminate almost all government-owned property and spaces.

                Why should government own property or space?

        2. We need a good moral theory on what we as a country ought to do about mental illness.

          Why do you think other people have any kind of responsibility to anyone who is mentally ill simply by existing in the same country?

          The very concept of “what we as a country ought to do about X” is antithetical to libertarianism or any form of free society.

    4. She said that cops were the only ones she could call. Why not a paramedic? They could at least find someone who can work with someone in mental distress. All a cop can do with that situation is pain compliance.

      1. Yeah it’s not clear what the heck she was thinking. And bitterly ironic in light of the boy’s comment after being shot.

        1. Lest we forget, SHE is the one who designated her son violent – – – – – – –

      2. Paramedics don’t deal with this stuff. We’ve thrown all these miscellaneous tasks onto cop – and then wonder why they keep fucking up in any situation that isn’t ‘get the bad guy’.

      3. Call the paramedics. They come. You tell them “my son’s being irrational and potentially dangerously violent”

        The paramedics will now call the police and refuse to do anything until they’ve secured him

    5. If only there was a large group of people that have been arguing for months –roughly since mid-May– that many responsibilities (including wellness checks) need to be taken away from Police because Police are too prone to use force against people.

      1. They should stop burning, looting, and murdering.
        It’s almost like they don’t give a shit about police reform, but just want to use it to gain totalitarian power for themselves.

        1. It’s almost like there are millions of people who aren’t looting but still think we need police reform.

          1. Too fucking bad, because you submitted your movement to the marxists

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          1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

            1. It’s sqrlsy. You can tell when he is off his meds/drunk

            2. He’s one of the more noticeable crazies here. I think he’s got Coprolalia and Bipolar disorder.

      2. Some of us have been beating that drum for years and years.

        The Johnny-come-latelys actually set the movement back decades.

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    7. Want to know something funny?
      I agree with blm that the police should have some jobs taken away from them.
      Handling the mentally ill, even those who might be armed, should be a job for someone else.
      And that some monies could be diverted from the police to fund these mental health teams to include an armed responder as well.
      However as soon as BLM start smashing windows, setting fires, and harassing diners at restaurants, I get angry and ignore everything they say.
      Martin Luther King managed to make real changes in America, and he didn’t have to break a single window to do it.
      If the BLM really was interested in stopping police brutality, they would try to appeal to myself and all the other normal people America.
      Because we were horrified by the George Floyd video, and we are worried that what happened to Breonna Taylor could happen to anybody.
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  3. I again think the answer here is to have front line officer who have most contact with the public be unarmed. The unarmed officer can assess the situation and call for armed back-up when needed. The unarmed officer can be trained in deescalation techniques, situational awareness and response.

    1. Good luck if you’re a cop in Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, St. Louis, Oakland, Atlanta, New York, Memphis, Minneapolis, New Orleans….

      1. Police work isn’t remarkably dangerous compared to other jobs.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

        Cops could be required to work two or three days a week unarmed handling less risky calls or traffic stops. So they get ongoing experience in other ways to deal with non-compliant people, and to weed out the cowards who can’t handle a risk level comparable an unarmed 7/11 clerk.

        The guys on working their “gun days” can be sent for the riskier calls or be called in for backup.

        And you’ll say risk isn’t completely predictable. Tough. EMTs, social workers, and even Mormon missionaries take the risk of knocking on the doors of troubled houses. Get used to it.

        1. +1 duck salad

    2. Really, I think the only way that works is if you have the cops organized into teams and deployed that way. But people don’t want to pay for 4-6 cops doing the job of 2 cops.

      But a team can train together, has a leader that they’re used to taking the lead from, eliminates the ‘cowboy’ thing where each cop is running off in his own direction when they are together dealing with a situation.

      Ie, sort of actually organized and trained like the military – ironically enough considering they have enough gear to cosplay as military.

      Too often in these situation no one seems to be in charge of the scene and the most aggressive cop is left to do his thing because . . . no on-scene leader to reign him in and coordinate responses.

      1. It’s interesting- someone at the beginning of the riots posted that the US actually has a pretty low per-capita police budget compared to places like Europe. It is interesting in the face of the whole defund movements.

  4. The problem is that police are expected to be magical people who fix all your problems by calling 911

    They aren’t. They are people who enforce laws and have guns to help them.

    1. I can’t figure out from the reporting what law they were enforcing here.

      1. TWO laws:

        Don’t be mentally ill!

        Obey ALL orders from LEOs, at ALL times! Citizen, get WITH it! This is a POLICE STATE, dammit!

        1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

      2. Respect mah authoritay. I think it’s in the Bill of Rights somewhere.

      3. Return a minor to a parent?

    2. And yet, police also resist all attempts to remove some of their responsibilities, allowing specialists to take over.

      Or, to put it in other words… police want people to expect that police are “magical people who fix all your problems by calling 911”, and they actively attack efforts to lessen their responsibilities.

  5. I’m sure there will be a nationwide wave of arson and looting over this.

    Wait, was the boy a member of a marginalized group? If not, no one cares.

    This is 2020. Our hindsight will be perfect.

    1. I’d say the mentally ill are a marginalized group.

      1. I know I’m marginalized as hell.

        1. And clearly schizophrenic.

      2. Then were are the riots, huh?

        /sarcasm, of course

  6. “she believed police officers were the only ones she could call for help”

    Well there’s your problem right there. Mom got her baby shot. Good work mom.

  7. Holy fuck that video is crazy. Cop fires 12 rounds at the kid who’s basically standing still and then says ‘show me your hands’ as he’s bleeding out on the ground. Luckily the officer is a terrible shot, otherwise this kid would be dead.

  8. Also,

    SAY HIS NAME.

    1. (after someone doxxs him to figure out his name)

    2. Beetlejuice!

      1. Beetlejuice!

        1. Beetlejuice!

  9. Note to self: Remember to call the cops tomorrow and tell them my ex-wife is acting crazy and may be violent.

    Also my neighbor who keeps letting his dog shit on my lawn, that lady that cut me off and stole my parking space at the grocery store the other day, and Ken Shultz.

    Tomorrow’s gonna be fun!

    1. Dude send them after sqrlsy first

    2. The police are so senselessly violent and dangerous that a cottage industry has emerged among young adults and kids called Swatting.

      It’s sad that when anyone calls police in a non-life threatening situation, someone could end up dead or injured.

    3. People do that sort of thing fairly frequently. If someone gets hurt as a result, you’ll be in a lot of legal trouble.

  10. “We call on members of the community to remain calm and let the legal system work…ministers and community organizers are fanning out over the community to calm things down…the National Guard is on standby…

    “Wait, the kid was white? Well then, never mind all that, let’s just forget the whole thing.”

    1. Most importantly: the kid said he had a gun.

      1. “Most importantly: the kid said he had a gun.”

        I’m glad somebody decided to bring that up. I’d heard that was the case—and that his mom also said something like, “But it’s a replica, or a toy.”—-but I couldn’t quickly find a cite yesterday that said it. Didn’t the kid have a recent history of violently acting out? As well as the mother informing either 911 or the officers that the kid was violently opposed to police officers?

        I couldn’t make out much from the bodycam video I saw. Officers told that someone might have a gun, and that someone won’t comply with orders, and most importantly, won’t show his hands: all that can lead the police to shoot someone, be they 13 or 50. The weapon doesn’t care how old the wielder is.

        That said, from that video, I wouldn’t have shot, but I can’t rule out additional evidence the officer had, that might make that a shooting situation.

        What a tragedy. Needless. Cops aren’t parents, and cannot be expected to teach your child 13 years of parenting in 13 minutes. I’d say the kid needs to be institutionalized, but I don’t know if that’s warranted for his age and history. Not that we have the money or desire to do that these days anyway. Thanks for the link.

        What a surprise that Zuri Davis left out vital details in her reporting.

        1. Where’s the boys dad?

    2. This is my shocked face

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  12. Wow okay so the mom called the cops. The cops didn’t want to go in because he was alone in the house and couldn’t hurt anyone, but the mom pressed them to because the son threatened to shoot her coworkers and he needed to go to the hospital. The cops asked if he was armed and the mom replies with he has a gun, I’m pretty sure it’s a toy gun or a prop gun. Then during the chase the kid says I have a gun.
    This is a story where it’s really easy to hate every idiot involved.

    1. Thanks for the article jay

    2. “This is a story where it’s really easy to hate every idiot involved.”

      Including the one who decided to leave out those details from her propaganda screed.

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  15. See? The plan worked: He got into a hospital.

  16. Anyone else see this as a consequence of the breakdown in families? Where was dad in all this? Even if divorced, why wasn’t he available? Because he doesn’t give a shit or because he died in some stupid war?

    1. Good questions: I sure don’t know.

      Bringing up “families” in this context makes me ask: What would have happened, had the parent of an autistic child (as here, apparently) been a member of the “family” of the local police force? Policeman or policewoman (in good standing with the local cops) calls for help, in this exact same context? Me, I am near 100% sure that the outcome would have been RADICALLY different! And that points to some problems here!

      1. Yes, police might not have used force as readily in that case. People are willing to take risks and make sacrifices for friends and family that they wouldn’t make for clients and customers. How is that either surprising or a problem?

  17. This was in National Lampoon as “post-natal abortion”. The child is born, raises a ruckus, the deputized doctor arrests and child resists only to be dispatched with a .32 nickel-plated surgical tool. Here the same police force that shot Dillon Taylor in the back for nothing (Cruz got absolute impunity) is called by flabby tatooed Negligent Mother. Similar cop promptly dispatches the 13-year-old with 16 warning shots through the body. By Utah law only a 17th shot to the minor would be considered reckless and excessive. Case closed.

  18. This is the danger of having a mom to dumb to know that Officer Friendly is not there to help citizens; but to enforce the states will against and collect its revenue from citizens, with such pervasive and seemingly random oppression and abuse a primary tool to those ends.

    1. The mother had a problem with a violent threat, and the police helped in exactly the way they are supposed to help, namely to eliminate that threat. How is that oppressive?

      If your toilet is plugged up, don’t call an electrician. If you don’t want police-style help with your problem, don’t call the police.

  19. Article should be retitled “Mom calls police on violent mentally ill son who claims to have a gun.”

    So, after his mother calls the police and says, “my mentally ill and violent son may have a gun. I need your help.” An adult sized male who says, “I have a gun,” to the police, resists arrest, raises his hands on them while running around his neighborhood in the dark and gets shot.

    How is this anything other than a Darwin Award?

  20. This is so retarded! there are better ways to approach a 13 year old baby.
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