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Yes, the 1619 Project Actually Suggests That Year Was America's True Founding, and Nikole Hannah-Jones Admits It

The New York Times tried to disassociate itself from a claim its reporter made just a few days ago.

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The New York Times would like people to believe that one of the 1619 Project's more widely criticized claims—that we might consider 1619, the year African slaves first arrived in the British colonies, to be the true year of America's founding—was never actually put forth by the Pulitzer Prize-winning article series.

Editors recently removed (without explanation or acknowledgment) the provocative statement that the project "aim[s] to reframe the country's history, understanding 1619 as our true founding" from the article series' online introduction. Lead author Nikole Hannah-Jones has repeatedly claimed it is a myth that the project proposes 1619 rather than 1776 as the country's birth year: She blamed bad-faith critics on the right for tricking the media into believing otherwise.

"One thing in which the right has been tremendously successful is getting media to frame stories in their language and through their lens," wrote Hannah-Jones in a subsequently deleted tweet. "The #1619Project does not argue that 1619 is our true founding. We know this nation marks its founding at 1776."

Forget for a moment that Hannah-Jones' Twitter banner is a picture of 1776 crossed out and replaced with 1619. Forget that multiple progressive media outlets that were sympathetic to the project's aims used the 1619-as-true-founding summary in order to explain it. Forget that a year ago, after the articles were published, both Hannah-Jones and New York Times magazine editor Jake Silverstein described the project in exactly these terms: "We sort of proposed the idea in a variety of ways that if you consider 1619 as the foundational date of the country, rather than 1776, it just changes your understanding and we call that a reframing of American history." Just consider one last piece of evidence that Hannah-Jones is being deceptive about who invented the 1619-not-1776 framing.

In an interview with Tomiko Brown-Nagin, dean of Harvard University's Radcliffe Institute, Hannah-Jones stated explicitly that the 1619 Project makes evocative arguments such as, "What would it mean to consider 1619 our founding and not 1776?" Here is video of the conversation, which took place not a year ago, or even several months ago, but just last week: September 15, 2020.

I don't mean to belabor this point, or to reduce the 1619 Project—which includes a number of different essays advancing many different arguments—to just Hannah-Jones herself. Whether it specifically claims that 1619 should replace 1776 is not even the most salient controversy involving the project. The claim can be metaphoric rather than literal: an example of the kind of radical shift in perspective that Hannah-Jones and her cohorts think is so urgent.

But the claim is inarguably part of the 1619 Project, and it's absurd for Hannah-Jones to pretend it isn't—especially while she continues to describe the project in exactly these terms. To say that conservatives imagined or manufactured this is ridiculous. It's gaslighting—and it undercuts the credibility of the author and her work.

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175 responses to “Yes, the 1619 Project Actually Suggests That Year Was America's True Founding, and Nikole Hannah-Jones Admits It

  1. Seriously, no one fucking cares about this.

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    2. Correction, no one should care about it, but it’s exactly the silliness that begins in obscure grievance studies departments that churn out indebted students with useless degrees who end up in your HR department.

    3. You really demonstrated that by viewing and commenting on the article

      1. Yours has always been the dumbest take on the internet. It doesn’t even make sense.

        1. Yes, it is very apparent that you frequently have trouble making sense of things Tulpa

          1. I’m sorry on his criticism of your post makes you so upset

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    4. I seriously care about this. They are trying to teach this shit in school. The whole “ackshewly, our founding was 1619” serves dual purposes. The first, most obvious point is that it tries to reframe the entire country’s founding around race rather than the very many other ideas that were circulating at the time.

      But the secondary point is the most nefarious- it is the one that history teachers have been promoting in schools for the last few decades- that the curriculum taught in our schools is a bunch of lies and propaganda. This sentiment- that until the early 2000, everyone was taught a false history- permiates everywhere. Even the guy who gave us the tour of the Capital building spent 90% of his time pointing out how the murals painted on the walls are all propaganda.

      If you can get people to credibly deny that the founding of our nation was in 1776, then you can credibly deny any of our “official” history. Debates about our founding no longer require facts because YOUR facts are all lies and can be dismissed without consideration as the product of propaganda.

      We didn’t care when marxists started taking care of obscure human studies departments, but just a decade or so later, they even have engineering departments. It is a severe problem that cannot be ignored.

      1. I understand that point of view. But I also think people are a lot more resilient and intelligent than given credit for, and teaching such obviously bogus propaganda backfires when the students discover later they were fed a pack of lies. This has happened throughout history. How did the Protestant reformation start except from people who were disgusted by the claptrap they were fed? How do religious (including atheist) families have children who switch religion? Where do libertarians come from?

        The more outrageous the propaganda, the more it backfires.

        1. The dirty little secret is that 95% of the world doesn’t think critically. Their lizard brain makes an emotional judgement based on context and then figures out how to justify accepting or discarding that argument. Only the remaining 5% or so have the self awareness to recognize that they are reacting emotionally so as to

          This is why the religious spent years just ruling certain subjects as sinful, and it is why the left spends so much time trying to link things like “School Choice” and “Voter ID” to Racism. It is to short circuit the entire discussion and get that emotional switch to flip right off.

          Yes, sometimes people get that shocking moment where their world is rocked and they start to question things. But things like the 1619 project are designed to make that as difficult as possible.

          1. “Only the remaining 5% or so have the self awareness to recognize that they are reacting emotionally so as to” challenge their emotional reaction.

            ugh

          2. “But things like the 1619 project are designed to make that as difficult as possible.”

            I don’t believe it will work as they intended. I believe that it is such an obviously bogus fraudulent claim, independent of being outrageously insulting, that it will backfire more than most of their stupid claims.

            Big lies may be more easily believed just for being so outrageously big, but they are more easily disproved also, and engender more backlash too.

            1. Big lies may be more easily believed just for being so outrageously big, but they are more easily disproved also, and engender more backlash too.

              If there’s one thing that everyone should have learned from the “Hand up, don’t shoot” narrative, it doesn’t matter if you disprove a lie after the lie has already been accepted by the general public.

          3. “The dirty little secret is that 95% of the world doesn’t think critically”

            See people in masks.

        2. eg: DARE

          1. DARE was just a program of “here’s what drugs look like and here’s how to use them”.

            I have no idea how that program got approved.

            1. Nancy consulted the finest astrologers in the country to get the necessary clout.

        3. I see your point. I’d agree except for two things.
          1. In the last decade or two, information sources for history have moved online. People are no longer exposed to the “other pages” in the history book or the history textbook that the class doesn’t cover, or the adjacent books on the library shelf. It’s very online, and they’re not always even given a book, it may just be (like it is right now for one of my kids) lectures and powerpoints presented through an online platform. There are no alternative sources. So the direction that technology is going is creating, for many students, a restriction of perspectives they are exposed to. It’s all and only whatever the official line is.
          He had a project on Jamestown, VA a couple of years ago. They had to give a presentation at some point and one of the kids in the group added something about the Mexican-American experience at Jamestown. I don’t think he was corrected. That was a WTF moment for me. The Mexican-American experience is very important, and so is accuracy, and as far as I know, there were maybe zero Mexican-Americans in Jamestown in 1619, partly because those two countries weren’t founded yet. So yes, in support of inclusivity, some people are giving very shaky facts a pass. Kids are often very confused and teachers don’t want to make anyone mad.

          2. The other thing is that memorizing facts is very unpopular. Kids are not being taught names and dates anymore. It’s a big wash of “critical thinking” which turns into the exact opposite. Some kids make it out ok, others only retain the overarching themes. It’s one thing for a grad student with significant knowledge of American history to say, yes, there was a lot of racism. It’s another thing for middle schoolers to soak in that it was all and only racism, beginning at racism and ending at racism, and nothing else. Without names, dates and ideas, that’s the takeaway.

          So unless the non-school environment is very vigilant about the names and dates bit, the kids will grow up and not even realize something’s off.

          Bourgeois humanism is one of the great gifts to humanity. It is the underpinning of the idea of human rights, which matters very much. It has echoes in many cultures, and the form that’s popular right now has strong roots in Europe. They could take all the energy spent shoveling dirt onto humanism and do some comparative history and comparative religion and look for that idea in other places, and talk about that. If there isn’t something about people that’s equal, however intangible it might be, the human rights framework falls apart and so does progressivism (so they should pay attention). Learning about the people who were dedicated to the idea, in all their complexity, is important. The presence of humanism doesn’t erase slavery and slavery doesn’t erase the presence of humanism. Hypocrisy is as old as the hills, people need to get over that and see the complexity.

          The other problem is it’s not outrageous propaganda, it’s a presentation of some-not all-facts about American history, which are less well known. I don’t think there’s a curriculum yet that tells that story while also telling the humanist story. I think one side is waiting for the 1619 project to resurrect humanism and the other side can’t use the 1619 project to resurrect humanism because four legs bad. It’s all going over the falls in a barrel. It doesn’t have to, but some people want it to and I think right now they are stronger.

      2. Whatever. Plymouth Rock was founded in 1620. Boston was founded in 1621. NYC was founded in 1624 by the Dutch, who brought over the first slaves — it was called New Amsterdam. That IS taught in schools, so 1619 is not a crazy date at all. The oldest city in the USA? St. Augustine, FL. Founded 1565 by Spain.

        1. The American Colonies predated the American States.

          1. You afraid they’re going to forget to mention the Declaration of Independence?

            1. More that they’re going to say “don’t read it, it’s just a rationale for slavery.” Which is pretty close to what they’re already saying.

        2. And the car was really invented in 2000 BC when the Egyptians created the first roads. Think about it if they didn’t invent roads then we wouldn’t have cars.

          1. See? The Pharaoh NEEDED to enslave the Jews. For MUH ROADS!

            That’s why libertarianism fails!

          2. Or toll roads. The bedrock of Reason libertarianism.

        3. 1619 has nothing to do with the United States of America. The concept of a constitutional republic was not a gleam in anyone’s eye at that time.

        4. Actually the Spanish brought the first spaves into the US and also enslaved American Indians in Florida and the Southwest.

          1. You telling me the Latinos are to blame? Trump’s immigration stance is actually very woke.

        5. so 1619 is not a crazy date at all

          People had been walking across the Beringia Land Bridge and up and down the Americas for 14.000 years, conquering and enslaving each other all along the way. 1619 is pulled out of her ass.

          1. This. Not only this but slavery has been practice by humans in just about every culture and time and is still practiced today. I’m not quite sure why people only seem to hate it when certain group did it. It’s just as abhorrent when other groups do it but that gets a pass.

            1. Because they don’t really oppose slavery.
              They are totalitarians who want absolute power.

      3. yeah, if the NYT and some crackpot historian want to push a radical theory, let them. just don’t pass it off as history, and don’t make it required for kids.

        and when you frame the crackpot theory as a reimagining of America’s founding as 1619 instead of 1776, in your own sub-headline, don’t call it “right wing framing”.

      4. This Bozo-looking ratchet was actually given a Pulitzer for making up fake history and passing it off as fact. Talk about black privilege.

        1. Nah, it’s not black privilege, it’s Gray Lady privilege. New York Times writers have been doing this for decades.

      5. The history we have been taught for the last few decades is lies and propaganda. You’d known that if you hadn’t uncritically swallowed all the lies and propaganda.

        There is no such thing as “official” history except in a dictatorship shithole.

        1. In 2001 I had a Lee Scratch Perry album, CD, the cover has high-rise buildings being destroyed.
          After the WTC came down I was looking at that CD one day and realized there was more complexity.
          “It’s all lies” is fine, but it’s not a stopping place. “Let’s retell the story our way” is fine, but that’s not a stopping place either. There’s more to chant down babylon than “we need to talk about slavery.” More in a lot of directions.
          RBG should have stepped aside when Obama was president. But she just wasn’t thinking about the consequences. Some Democrats seemed to think that Trump and McConnell wouldn’t try to put another justice on the court.
          People who are always talking about rearranging stories forget about winning and losing. It’s a dumb problem but it’s true, and it will just keep coming up.
          If there’s no thread in which the US is worth keeping, and if we don’t find that thread and focus on it, it will be done in our lifetimes.

        2. The history we have been taught for the last few decades is lies and propaganda.

          Yes, I absolutely agree that a lot of what came out of the New Left starting in the 1970s was lies and propaganda. And it’s clearly not getting any better because the Gen-X and Millennial professors are even more retarded than their shitlib Boomer mentors.

          1. “White privilege” is certainly the biggest lie to come out of academia in the “last few decades.”

        3. True, the Zinn history is indeed no more than lies and proaganda.

      6. Good point, overt.
        And remember
        He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.

    5. People should care, seeing as how woke school board are wanting to implement it into the curriculum

    6. Hannah-Jones and the NYT care, and that is enough reason to rub it in their face.

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    9. Well said.

    10. You should, it’s going to be taught in schools are the true history of the US

  2. “it undercuts the credibility of the author and her work.”

    What credibility?

    1. at least she didn’t call riots a tax

      1. But looting is definitely reparations.

  3. “One thing in which the right has been tremendously successful is getting media to frame stories in their language and through their lens,” wrote Hannah-Jones in a subsequently deleted tweet.

    Indeed, my rose-hair colored social justice warrior.

    1. so the Right Wing is now sneaking into The New York Times offices and crafting misleading sub-titles?

    2. Yeah, not a good look for her. Or anyone.

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  5. Forget that multiple progressive media outlets that were sympathetic to the project’s aims used the 1619-as-true-founding summary in order to explain it.

    We call that ‘media’.

    1. Yeah? Whatever. Plymouth Rock was founded in 1620. Boston was founded in 1621. NYC was founded in 1624 by the Dutch, who brought over the first slaves — it was called New Amsterdam. That IS taught in schools, so 1619 is not a crazy date at all. The oldest city in the USA? St. Augustine, FL. Founded 1565 by Spain. You can thank your “media” for reporting facts that are also taught in school.

      1. Your history is wrong as the Spanish had African slaves in what would be the US before the Dutch and they also enslaved American Indians in their colonies. if you are going to lecture others on accuracy be accurate yourself.

      2. Plymouth Colony was founded in 1620. The rock was there long before that.

      3. You copypasta’d this already, idiot.

      4. You really should read up on the indigenous peoples of the Americas before making ‘first slaves’ claims. And, up your game, the bots troll better than you.

  6. George Costanza : Jerry, just remember. It’s not a lie if *you* believe it.

    1. Al Buddy: It ain’t cheating unless you get caught.

      1. Tony: “I once sucked seven dicks. In a row. But that was Tuesday.”

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  8. And blmantifa erased some of its more blatant marxist content on their website too. Another reframing in order to get their puppet Biden elected.

    Any bets on if-when Biden gets “retired” by the left. I bet he doesn’t last a year before he quits or gets ousted by the 25th amendment.

    1. I’m guessing it will be over before that, when he comec onstage at one of the debates wearing a bathrobe and bunny slippers.

    2. I’d bet the opposite, they keep him around to take the hits for all the stupid shit the administration gets caught doing. He’s the perfect fall guy since he isn’t capable of defending himself. Kinda of like that mafia don who feigned insanity to avoid prosecution.

      1. I would never have compared him to Dubya but I think you have a point.

    3. “she” will have the document in her purse at the inauguration.

      1. Well it is to be HER administration, of which Joe gets a bit part.

    4. We’ll know he’s been retired by the left when he becomes more lucid, because at that point he’ll have a man in the rafters pulling the strings and a hand up his ass to make him look like he’s talking.

  9. I don’t mean to belabor this point, or to reduce the 1619 Project

    I think we should be reducing the so-called 1619 project. It attempts to foment an entirely racialist view of all public life in America. America has a racist past as does pretty much every country on the face of the planet. But the unique thing about Western Liberal Democracy is that we were able to confront that very real condition and (for the most part) overcome it with a combination of cultural shifts and legislative priorities.

    Douglas Murry did an excellent interview where he was more fired up than I’d ever seen him, and he talked about the dangers of turning every narrative into an airing of grievances and demands for reparations. At one point he asks the question if we really want to ‘play this game’? Then he posits we go ’round the world, country by country and start addressing the atrocities they committed. He then insists “have a go” at Turkey as the Ottoman empire was one of the largest and most powerful empires in history with a long history of brutality and ethnic genocide. “Should Kim Kardashian send her reparations bill to Ankara?”

    There’s nothing wrong with talking about our history of slavery- and making it a part of our education. But when we keep using reductive arguments to suggest that slavery was the the entirety of our nation’s experiment, you won’t have peace, you’ll have exactly the opposite.

    1. I was about to comment on the same sentence fragment for the same reason, but then I had to stop and re-read the whole sentence. What he meant to say was that the project goes beyond the writing of this single person. He didn’t want to reduce all the contributors and pretend it was just Hannah-Jones, but his em-dash destroyed the clarity of that statement.

      But I agree, the project should be demolished. There’s nothing particularly racist or destructive about the history of America’s founding in comparison to any other nation. We could reduce all of history into a continual cycle of repudiations and grudges, and that wouldn’t advance us at all. Otherwise we’d be nuking Mongolia purely out of revenge, or demanding Italy pay fictional amounts of money in reparations for the Roman Empire.

      1. We could reduce all of history into a continual cycle of repudiations and grudges, and that wouldn’t advance us at all.

        Exactly. Repeatedly unearthing every grievance and then having the descendants of the aggrieved line up for reparations doesn’t advance anything, it regresses us, makes us worse, and serves no justice.

        1. It’s also entirely self-defeating. If as a country we’re half as racist as assumed, reparations would cause a full blown race war and millions of Black people would die as a result.

          But hey, at least whitey had to pick up the check this time.

    2. I was having a similar discussion with my daughter yesterday. She is fresh out of the indoctrination of her high school and we were talking about these historical figures. She basically had internalized the message “These people were slave holders, why should we listen to anything they said?”

      My point was that for at least 10,000 years, humanity had no problem whatsoever with slavery- it was as natural as the sun and the moon. There is something remarkable about a man like George Washington- who grew up in a slave owning family, where slavery was a normal course of trade- that by the time he died, he had thoroughly changed his mind, freeing the slaves upon his death.

      Such people shouldn’t be judged by the morals of our time, they should be understood for how they absolutely upended the morals of their times.

    3. Everything is so terrible and unfair. Reparations for everyone!

  10. Look, we should not ignore the big picture. The entire point of the 1619 Project is to make Americans (especially white Americans) feel guilty about slavery.

    And that’s extremely useful from a Koch / Reason libertarian perspective. After all, Shikha Dalmia practically invented the technique of manipulating guilt about slavery in order to promote Charles Koch’s immigration agenda.

    #SlaveryWasVeryBad
    #ThereforeOpenTheBorders

    1. You are more than one person, aren’t you? It seems that your tag has series of different writers; but honestly I find the current one to be better than the last. Keep it up!

      1. OBL has been doing his shtick for so long, it has metastasized into full-blown schizophrenia. Ergo, there really is more than one person behind the alias.

        1. Schizophrenia is not the same as multiple personality disorder.

          1. Oh really? Did No Way, Ted tell you that?

            1. I know this because Tyler knows this.

          2. But multiple personality disorder IS Dissociative Identity Disorder.

  11. I got some news for ya robby, the New York Times is a bullshit propaganda rag for the fascists.
    Nothing they say or print is worthy of comment.

  12. A funny thing happened in 2020. The mask didn’t slip on the Left- they ripped it off and burned it. They were so sure that the moment of the revolution was at hand that they stopped pretending.

    It is no accident that the pure Woke Marxist Batshit Crazy showed up in this racialist ideology. The Democrats have turned a blind eye to leftist Blacks for years and years. They ignored Anti-Semitism, corruption and other problematic behavior because they could count on those leaders bringing them the support of 80-90% of Blacks at the polls.

    Then in 2020, the entire nation turned its eye to these Black issues (as a result of the Floyd killing) and there was no one but Batshit Crazy Woke Marxists to spring into action. Because the Dems never bothered to restrain these people, they didn’t know how to moderate their message. Only now are Democrats realizing that the Batshit Crazy Woke Marxism isn’t selling in the sticks, and so you see all stripes of attempts to find a mask to put back on.

    The sad thing is it just might work, because the Media happily supports this gas lighting.

    1. Every successful revolution needs a propaganda outlet, and they certainly have theirs.

    2. The Democrats have turned a blind eye to leftist Blacks for years and years.

      The Democrats have turned a blind eye to the most toxic, insidious leftist ideologies in their ranks for years, so it’s no accident that they find themselves where they are. It’s pretty clear that the mainstream right, for all their faults, seem to know when the ideology goes too far. Everyone seems to know. But there’s been a problem on the left and that’s that no one seems to know or want to discuss when they go too far. No one seems to be able to work it out. There’s a real notion on the left that you can just go further and further to the left and there’s nothing awful at the end of it. And because no one seems to be able to work out why or when, it’s allowed to become truly destructive to not only itself, but everything around it.

      1. That was one of Jordan Peterson’s points. The Right knows when it goes too far. They are told about it incessantly.

        But nobody does that to the Left. So they just go further and further.

  13. Listen, the Times never once claimed to contain All the news that is fit to print

    1. Now it contains all the “news” that is print to fit.

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  15. This shit is hilarious. These people are incoherent. Why would anyone listen to them? Also:

    Brown-Nagin… Hannah-Jones

    Beware the hyphenated last name. It’s always a big red flag.

    1. Brown-Nagin… Hannah-Jones

      Beware the hyphenated last name. It’s always a big red flag.

      You noticed that too…

    2. When I was in college, I was given the advice by upperclassmen to never take a course taught by someone with two last names.

    3. Like the hair?

  16. I don’t mean… to reduce the 1619 Project

    You should, Robby. You really should. Don’t be such a coward.

    1. Robby walks right up to the edge. He’s the only one who does.

  17. History with Ronald McDonald is fun!

    1. “History with Ronald McDonald is fun!”
      Glad I wasn’t sipping my coffee when I read that.

    2. Hamburgler was framed. Defund the cops!

    3. Ronald’s ghetto wife.

    4. Surely whiteface is racist too?

    5. Defund Officer Big Mac!

  18. “I don’t mean to belabor this point, or to reduce the 1619 Project”

    To be sure.

  19. The memory hole is alive and well.
    What memory hole?

  20. We seem to be missing the point of the article, they had claimed the US began in 1619 and not 1776 and then when it started polling bad they changed their tune and now what they said is not what they said it is someone else’s fault.

    Now I kinda like the idea of 1619 being the start date of slavery, that way when they come for reparations we can send them to the Brits, it is their responsibility.

    1. Except, of course, they weren’t slaves.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Casor

    2. “Now I kinda like the idea of 1619 being the start date of slavery”

      Except slavery already existed in North America. It was practiced by indigenous groups like the Coast Salish. And, of course, it existed in Africa before Europeans showed up and blacks offered to trade humans for horses.

      1. No way, Ted. Only white people are terrible.

  21. If she holds a view for longer than 15 minutes or so, please get back to us.

  22. The New York Slimes gaslighting people about their friends in the Marxist left? Next thing you’ll have me believe is that water remains wet

  23. It’s clearly of highest libertarian priority to force children to suck down the most patriotic narrative possible for the history of the US.

    1. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an argument that isn’t “well what about THAT OTHER THING” from Tony. Tony is obviously referring to Trump’s education initiative, which reason has already written about elsewhere. From what I’ve seen reason is not a fan of Trump’s idea.

      Perhaps Tony could address the merits of the 1619 Project, or total lack thereof.

      1. But he doesn’t think like that he pnly thinks about justifications and twinkies

      2. I wasn’t even thinking that, but I’d be surprised if it didn’t get majority support from the commenters.

        I was thinking of the idea that 1776 counts as the one and only “founding.” What does it mean to be founded? Putting writing to a piece of paper that says so? Something else?

        The history I got in elementary school was a full-on Founder circle-jerk, and that was when Donald Trump was still a cheesy tabloid figure.

        1. What does it mean to be founded? Putting writing to a piece of paper that says so?

          Yup.

          1. *Finds some paper*

            1. If you declare your independence, does that mean we get to declare you as a hostile state and obliterate you?

              1. In theory, yes.

    2. “It’s clearly of highest libertarian priority to force children to suck down the most patriotic narrative possible for the history of the US.”

      hahahahaha

      Libertarian priority and force in the same sentence.

      Funny you went right to “force children.” You like to force children, huh, fatty?

    3. Oh, it’s even worse! You wrote “force children to suck.” You are sick for writing that. Sicko fatty. Get your sicko fantasies out of here.

    4. No tony, it’s far more important to indoctrinate kids into guilt and grievance so that they can build up life long resentment over things that happened long ago!

      Yay, progressive values! Haha.

      1. I’d settle for a critical exploration of the facts. It does no more good to indoctrinate children into a leftist political cause than it does to sell them a bunch of Santa Claus stories about the founders.

    5. That beats teaching them to hate their country, parents, and themselves.

    6. And it’s clearly a totalitarian Leftist priority to shove the least patriotic narrative possible for the history of the US. One that has been debunked a dozen different ways. One that tells us America is slavery, always has been slavery, so give all your freedom up and hand it over to Us, your Fearless Betters, because we can only be free of if we give up our lives to the one American Party that started a civil war to preserve slavery, and then started a terrorist organization to keep former slaves and their defenders (ie, Northern Yankee Republicans) from getting involved in local politics.

  24. It’s hard to understand how she could have had any credibility beyond the first month or so of the launch of this sewer sludge of “journalism.” She has refused to address any of the serious criticisms of the “facts” or “findings” of the project and instead responds like a 12 year old on a playground with childish versions of “says you” and “I know you are but what am I.”

  25. “I don’t mean to belabor this point, or to reduce the 1619 Project—”

    Well, Robby, you damn well SHOULD reduce the 1619 Project.
    You ‘profession’ of journalism has a responsibility to point out loudly and clearly when the truth is abused in such an egregious manner.
    Letting this go on without daily condemnation is why there is no respect left for anything anyone writes. It is now all at the level of “social media” posts. (which are decidedly un-social)

  26. I might have to look at this 1619 Project – if slavery has been the center of American history from that day to this, I guess the South was right and the Civil War had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. I suppose it was the Northern capitalists (or should I say, (((captalists)))? ) realizing that their labor costs were being undercut by the slave-owning Southern capitalists and realizing that if they could free the slaves, they would both increase the Southern capitalists labor costs and, by attracting the newly freed slaves to the North, exploit this new source of labor to further drive down their own labor costs. Genius! It was all about exploiting labor and had nothing to do with slavery per se.

    Maybe I don’t need to look into the 1619 Project, maybe I’ve already come up with an alternative explanation for history just as rigorous as that of these “experts” and it only took me like 5 minutes coming up with crap right off the top of my head.

    1. Your narrative is actually more rigorous. For starters, it doesn’t have an essay that tries to make the case that the purpose of double-ledger accounting was to make it easier to keep track of the value of slaves.

  27. Objective truth is just a vehicle for white supremacy. The 1619 project acknowledges that history is viewed subjectively. Therefore, yes, the nation was founded in 1619, but we never really said that, too.

    In fact, all grades in the 1619 curriculum will be assigned in the only fair way possible: by race. White students will need a lot of extra credit.

  28. Spoiled, smug, entitled, unqualified women have the gall to pretend they’re oppressed. My god, just look at that woman’s hair and imagine how vapid you have to be to spend that much time making yourself look ridiculous.

    1. imagine how vapid you have to be to spend that much time making yourself look ridiculous

      Not to mention money – those dye-jobs aren’t cheap, and she probably needs a pretty regular application to keep it looking that way.

  29. Hannah-Jones needs to be held for cultural appropriation because Bozo the Clown wants his hair color back.

  30. I’d say the real history of the US is about 95% genocide and 5% Enlightenment innovation.

    Why teach children a bunch of hogwash they’re going to have to unlearn? Thanksgiving paintings do not accurately depict the relationship between Natives and colonizers, and that weird twitch you feel when learning that the Founders you worship owned slaves? Yeah, owning slaves is pretty bad. And they didn’t think women or anyone who didn’t own land should have rights.

    But they totally had near-perfect wisdom on how 21st century humans should relate to gun policy.

    1. That would just be the history of humanity.

      1. Yes, so why start telling lies about it once we get to the 17th century?

    2. I’ll take 95% genocide and 5% enlightenment over 95% genocide and 5% religious ideology, with or without monarchy any day. And don’t even ask about 95% murder and 5% Marxism.

      1. I’d totally 100% support rejoining our mother country and becoming a new member of the Commonwealth.

        1. Nothing is stopping you from renouncing your citizenship and immigrating.

          1. Except the fact that America is too much of a shithole for anyone to take our refugees.

    3. My concern about the 1619 project is less about how they treat US history, and more about how they treat capitalism.

      Capitalism is derived from property rights, and the most fundamental property right is the right to self-ownership. I own myself, and I am responsible for my actions, including the goods and services I produce with my actions, and, therefore, I should be able to trade them peacefully with others. Violently enslaving people is antithetical to a free market.

      However, the 1619 project is intent on rehashing the old Marxist class warfare tropes about how capitalism needs a perpetual underclass, blah blah blah.

      However, at the end of the day, debunking capitalism runs head on into debunking the concept of self-ownership: if property rights is so invalid, how do I own myself? Once that is done, why exactly is slavery wrong? I say it’s wrong because it denies people self-ownership. What are they left with? Because it’s racist? As if equally enslaving people of all races is A-OK? Why shouldn’t we force people to work according to their (maximum) ability, but only receive according to their (minimum) needs? That’s an apt description of slavery that Marx came up with.

      These people advocate for slavery by arguing that freedom produces slavery. I feel sorry for anyone who buys it, because they’re not selling me out. They’re selling themselves out.

      1. How about people get the historical facts and then decide their own economic philosophy when they grow up?

        1. Sounds good to me. Could the 1619 project switch over to facts?

          The 1619 project ceded away objectivity and facts a long time ago.

          1. I have very little knowledge about what that is, except that I’m 100% certain it’s part of a Republican party scary-blacks propaganda campaign.

            1. Here’s a quote from the article and the founder of the 1619 project:

              Hannah-Jones told me she was misinterpreted. “I rely heavily on the scholarship of historians no matter what race, and I would never discount the work of any historian because that person is white or any other race,” she told me. “I did respond to someone who was saying white scholars were afraid, and I think my point was that history is not objective. And that people who write history are not simply objective arbiters of facts, and that white scholars are no more objective than any other scholars, and that they can object to the framing and we can object to their framing as well.”

              When I asked Wilentz about Hannah-Jones’s clarification, he was dismissive. “Fact and objectivity are the foundation of both honest journalism and honest history. And so to dismiss it, to say, ‘No, I’m not really talking about whites’—well, she did, and then she takes it back in those tweets and then says it’s about the inability of anybody to write objective history. That’s objectionable too,” Wilentz told me.

            2. Fun fact: A good portion of the historians who have been debunking 1619 Projec essays are socialists, publishing their criticisms on socialist historian websites.

              So tell me another one.

              (I have a feeling you are going to respond, without missing a beat, with “We have a major gas leak right here that needs to be fixed. Where do you think gas comes from? The sky?”)

        2. Anyway, I think there’s a real danger in destroying the concept of property rights to make utilitarian claims about everyone’s best happiness, too, and it has a lot to do with slavery:

          If western civilization is based on slavery, and is also the best overall well-being the world has ever seen, then, was slavery just another private property right that was limited for the “greater good”?

          These people wade directly into the waters full of the very sharks they’re scared of.

          1. You’re seriously saying that property rights should be indoctrinated into children, and that’s the kind of thing I’d expect a ridiculous caricature of a libertarian would say.

            “Western civilization” isn’t a thing. It’s just not. West of what? What line of longitude divides good civilization from faulty civilization? I think you need to read some more texts on history before you start dictating how it should be taught.

            1. You’re seriously saying that property rights should be indoctrinated into children, and that’s the kind of thing I’d expect a ridiculous caricature of a libertarian would say.

              Good point. Guess you and the redskins should stop bitching about genocide, then.

              1. Fine, genocide happened and then we invented property rights so we would have something to do with the land we stole.

                1. The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not it’s mineral rights.

                  1. I have a bad habit of using “it’s” where I meant to use “its”. National Review has an edit button. Would it kill reason to implement one?

                2. Your post contradicts itself. Can you see it?

                  1. That’s because it’s a joke, kind of like your self-serving justifications for the most horrific mass murder in the history of humankind. See, funny.

                    1. Horrific mass murders are never justified because, like all murders, they violate self-ownership.

                      I’m still not sure why progressives have a problem with it. Maybe it’s because their ethics are so complex, they make room for it: if modern civilization needs to exterminate some primitive people, don’t they have to try, or something?

                    2. The joke is that you want to tear down the one system of liberty that hasn’t only prevented horrific mass murder better than any other system in human history, but also provided prosperity to the world to levels we have never seen — you want to overthrow it and replace it with a system that has proven, time and again, to cause the most horrific mass murder we’ve seen, time and time again.

                      It’s clear that property rights, properly protected, preserves life (and the genocides of America are the exceptions that prove the rule — if America had done a better job at protecting property rights, those genocides wouldn’t have happened), while trying to destroy property rights results in reigns of terror, holocausts, and holodomors the world over — horrors so bad, we have to have special names for them.

            2. I would just think that, as progressives identify slavery as the original sin of our society, that they would then feel compelled to come up with some sort of ethics that explains why.

              As is, they come up with ethics that apologize for it.

              I’ll never understand that.

              1. I would humbly propose it’s because Progressives want to make us the slaves, with them as the “Philosophy King” masters.

            3. By the way, in case you’re curious: western civilization.

            4. Shall we go back to the earlier name? Christendom?

            5. Far more evil has been committed in the effort to eliminate property rights, than has been committed to preserve property rights.

              Based on that one fact alone, I am going to “indoctrinate” property rights into children — except that property rights are so natural, than children pick up on them without any problems whatsoever. Heck, the very fact that even literal animals — and here I literally mean cats, dogs, hawks, monkeys, and so forth — at least have the notion of marking and protecting territory, it ought to be clear that property rights isn’t just some cooked-up excuse to exercise tyranny on the people.

              Quite the opposite, in fact — you cannot prevent tyranny unless you have a system that respects the property rights of individuals.

            6. Western civilization is merely what we get when we respect each other’s rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness.

              There’s no need to define it geographically, because it can be practiced anywhere. It can also be destroyed anywhere, so areas that might have been civilized at one point might not be anymore.

    4. 95%? That seems excessively high; other than 1st Nations, what potential genocide are you talking about? 100s of years of genocide, or 100s of millions of people? In either case, there’s definitely biased thinking. Might be those history books to which you referred.

      And, you got your dislike of the 2nd Amendment and other people’s rights in, kudos.

    5. First of all, what American genocide are you talking about? The United States did, indeed, do horrible things to American Indians — some of them not entirely unjustified, by the way, because American Indians did some awful things to the settlers, too — but the fact remains that the American government never initiated the kinds of systemic murder we have come to call “genocide” that the Germans, Russians, Turks, Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Japanese, Cuban, and other governments have committed in their mere attempts to create the kind of society you, Tony, would prefer.

      Meanwhile, perhaps the greatest slander made against the American Indians was this: that they did not believe in private property. Why was it such a horrible slander? Because it enabled American politicians to claim that we didn’t need to honor treaties made with American Indians, and that we were free to drive them off of their land, and pen them up in Reservations — because they didn’t believe in private property anyway.

      It is an idea that you, Tony, embraced — that private property should be eliminated — that enabled the actions that you claim to abhor. Yet, not only do you want us to embrace this idea, you want us to accept a project — the 1619 Project — that is not only ahistorical (ie, has no historical proof whatsoever) in some spots, but is actually counter-historical (ie, easily proven to be opposite of what happened historically).

      Of course, for sniveling Statists like you, no lie is too big if it enables the establishment of your “paradise”. What’s really sickening is that you want us to denounce Free Market Capitalism because of some atrocities committed by Statist Americans in the past — so we could put in a State that will commit atrocities so bad, it will make the atrocities committed against the American Indians to this date seem like a fun day at the County Fair.

      In other words, Tony, it’s clear to us that you don’t really care about American Indians. Indeed, you look at those atrocities and say “Really? That’s the best we can do? The Soviets and the Nazis were able to do so much more!” You’re jealous that, after all of 250 years of “genocide”, there are still Reservations full of people we tried to destroy. You’re jealous that we didn’t have someone like Stalin or Hitler involved in this genocide — because if we had a proper Statist in charge, and not some mere Capitalists who saw the American Indians as an obstacle to obtaining desirable property that merely needed to be displaced to undesirable property, there would be not a single American Indian alive today.

      And thus, you’re left sniveling about America’s gun policy — because you know that the 30,000 killed by guns every year (11,000 by murder, the remainder by suicide) is a rounding error in the rate of death a proper Socialist can establish — and you know that, so long as Americans have the freedom to own guns, no proper Socialist will be able to commit the atrocities at the level you wish to inflict on the American people.

  31. “To say that conservatives imagined or manufactured this is ridiculous. It’s gaslighting—and it undercuts the credibility of the author and her work.”

    How can you undercut something that does not exist?

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