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The NFL Is Back. So Is the National Anthem Controversy. And Now There Are Two Anthems.

American society is grappling with complex, nuanced issues connected to race and political power. If we have to filter that debate through the binary of choosing to stand or sit for a national anthem, we'll never get much resolved. 

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Unhappy with what they call "empty gestures" the Miami Dolphins say they will skip the pre-game "song and dance" that the National Football League plans to perform in front of largely empty stadiums this weekend.

In addition to the traditional playing of the "Star-Spangled Banner," the NFL plans to play "Lift Ev'ry Voice And Sing" before Sunday's games. The latter song has a long history as a rallying cry for civil rights and has been dubbed the "black national anthem." The league is playing it before games this week in an attempt to show support for the Black Lives Matter movement and to make a statement about racial injustice.

But, in a video posted to Twitter on Thursday, more than a dozen Dolphins' players say the whole team plans to skip the pre-game ritual.

"We need changed hearts, not just a response to pressure. Enough, no more fluff and empty gestures," the players say in the video statement. "We need owners with influence and pockets bigger than ours to call-up officials and flex political power."

The video statement indicates how far things have shifted in just a few months. We've been watching the mostly silly debate over whether players should stand or kneel for the national anthem since 2016, when Colin Kaepernick, the then-quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, variously sat or kneeled during the pre-game playing of the national anthem that season. After this summer's protests connected to the police killings of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and others, however, the terms of the debate have clearly shifted. This is no longer a question about whether players have the right to refuse to stand for the flag—they do, of course—but is now, finally, focused on the issue Kaepernick was always trying to call attention to in the first place.

That the NFL would respond to this year's protests by adding another song to the pre-game Americana ritual shows just how little the team owners and league executives understand the current moment.

Of course, the league finds itself in an unenviable position. The NFL wants nothing more than to deliver entertainment to as many Americans as possible so it can sell its product to advertisers and TV networks for top dollar. And the NFL has been very, very good at doing that for most of its history. Choosing sides in a political controversy necessarily means alienating some viewers. And losing viewers translates directly into losing revenue.

This is not a problem exclusive to the NFL, but football's place as America's most popular televised sport means the league's response to everything from COVID to police brutality will always be under the spotlight.

The consequences are already visible. Every year, the pollsters at Gallup survey Americans about their sentiments towards various industries. This year, Americans' favorable view of the sports industry fell by 15 percentage points—only the pharmaceutical industry and, naturally, the federal government scored lower. It's unfair to conclude that the drop-off is entirely, or even mostly, tied to the ongoing politicization of professional sports. Indeed, it could simply be that fewer people think positively about the sports industry because it has been so long since we got to go to a game.

Still, politics are surely part of the overall picture, and league executives have no good options. On one side, the players are demanding more than empty gestures—the Dolphins' statement, like the brief NBA strike last month, explicitly calls for team owners to take political actions. The players have no right to control how a team executive uses his private fortune, of course, but the players have cultural capital that the owners lack: Everyone knows Lebron James, but could you pick Dolphins' owner Stephen Ross out of a lineup?

When it comes to adding a second anthem to a pregame ritual that will play in front of mostly empty stadiums, the NFL is trying to appease everyone while not rocking the boat too much in either direction. That might be the league's only viable option for now, but it likely feels unsatisfactory to both sides. The Dolphins (and likely other players on other teams too) are unhappy. Meanwhile, The Wall Street Journal's Jason Riley called it "an act of cowardice masquerading as wokeness."

It's mostly just ridiculous. American society is grappling with complex, nuanced issues connected to race, political power, and the use of state-sanctioned violence against innocent people. If we have to filter that debate through the binary of choosing to stand or sit for a national anthem—or, for that matter, through the equally unsatisfactory binary of a Team Red versus Team Blue election—we'll never get much resolved.

"So, if my dad was a soldier but the cops kill my brother," says Dolphins' linebacker Elandon Roberts in the team's video statement, "do I stand for one anthem and kneel for the other?"

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  1. “And Now There Are Two Anthems”

    Nope still just one.

    1. Your side lost the Civil War. Stop clinging, bigot!

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      2. I doubt that you are a Rabbi, Harvey. No rabbis that I know would call others bigots because they don’t acknowledge a feeble attempt by the NFL to introduce a relatively unknown song as a black national anthem. Keeping drinking your woke kool-aid, Harvey,

    2. If there’s two national anthems now, what nation do the blacks belong to? Apparently it ain’t the USA – kick those illegal immigrants out of the country and send them back to the shitholes they came from.

      1. New South Africa.

        1. Liberia was a thing. Not successful. But a thing.

          1. The blacks sent back weren’t accepted by Africans and didn’t really like Africa too much. Big surprise. Those were the same Africans who enslaved them and traded them for horses and guns.

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              3. Don’t tell me you got outsmarted.

            2. That’s the most pathetic part of the whole “WE WUZ KANGZ AND KWAINZ!” chest-beating–they don’t want to face the fact that they’re the descendants of the weakest African tribes, captured and enslaved by more powerful Africans as well as north African Berbers and Arabs.

    3. Exactly.

    4. Yes, there are two, and they’re separate but equal.

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    6. We are now so woke we have succeeded in having 2 National Anthems. Separate but Equal is now considered progress on race relations. George Wallace will be worshiped for his famous call for “segregation forever”
      But we are not done, we will need separate Latin, Asian and other National Anthems and not to mention what to do with all those mixed race people.

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  3. Personally, I will choose to stand when they play the Black national anthem, “Get Low” by Lil’ Jon.

    1. It’s more conditioning than a choice but I simultaneously sit down *and* rise for Juvenile’s “Back That Ass Up”.

  4. The NFL might be back, but I’m out. I’ve been a Seahawks fan since they entered the league but I’ve been gradually growing disillusioned with the NFL since I’ve been realizing that I have more loyalty to my team than the players themselves do. I’ve regularly bought the Sunday Ticket package from DirecTv so I could get all the games on Sunday, but I’m done with that. I’ve walked away and I’m not looking back, I prefer to remember what the NFL used to be rather than be reminded what it’s become. My only regret is that I waited so long, there’s been too much bullshit in the league for too long for it to have been worth my time.

    1. Ok Boomer. I’m surprised the NFL previously being defined as a tax exempt organization, chronic traumatic brain injuries, and criminal records from the players didn’t dissuade you from watching that garbage. Spend your free time reading, exercising, or learning a new skill.

      1. “Ok Boomer”

        So original.

        1. yet appropriate.

          “Things was better back in MY day” is boring to everyone who suffers through it.

      2. Why would it surprise you? The NFL corporate structure has always been fucky, football is a violent game, and what would you expect from kids who have been exempted from any consequences for their actions all their lives and are suddenly making millions of dollars a year? As long as they played the game and played it at a high level I could deal with that. It’s actually when they started coming up with these bullshit rules to decrease the amount of violence in the game that I started getting tired of it – if you’re not allowed to touch the quarterback, then the quarterback shouldn’t be allowed past the line of scrimmage. Simple fix for that shit.

        1. And get rid of the replay shit, too, the refs make mistakes, deal with it. Fuck these 4 hour games because you gotta review every goddamn play.

      3. The “NFL” is a trade association, like the National Association of Realtors under Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(6) It has some office staff and negotiates TV deals, corporate sponsorships, and such on behalf of the various team owners. The owners certainly pay taxes on the money. The “NFL” is funded by the owners paying their fees, and those expenses may or may not be deductible, but there’s no reason to double tax the money spent on the “NFL”. The IRS collects the taxes of the “NFL” from the owners and the teams, not the trade association.

    2. I am a 12 as well but won’t pay extra to watch any games. Unfortunately I live in eastern Montana so the Vikings game supersedes the Seahawks games.

        1. I know some 12s that are ok.

          The Seahawks, however……. ugh.

          1. “I know some 12s that are ok.”

            So, you’re a fan of the movie “Cuties”? Oh wait, they were 11’s… my bad.

            (Too OT?)

      1. Sure you are comrade

      2. I’m 12 too, and what is this?

    3. Same here, I’ve gone from indifference to purposeful avoidance over all the histrionics.

  5. All pro sports are off this season. Been watching NFL since the 70s. No more. As far as college I will watch my alma mater assuming they play. Even that is dicey as colleges go further left.

    Sorry this is not politics. This is sports. It’s a business and entertainment. If they want to virtue signal and be disrespectful to their fans that is their problem.

    But I am sure this excites the little libertarians. They hate pro sports and they love the marxist shitheads of blmantifa.

    1. “But I am sure this excites the little libertarians. They hate pro sports and they love the marxist shitheads of blmantifa.”

      You’re confused. Maybe even delusional.

      1. Jo said we had to all be anti-racist.

      2. I think auto-correct may’ve turned “left libertarians” into “little libertarians” but I could be mistaken.

    2. And it’s a simple marketplace choice. If I choose to watch football, it’s because I want to watch football. If I want to hear political cheerleading or public debate, I can watch that or read about that any time. It’s an election year and this shit is plastered everywhere.

      If I want to watch sports, it’s because I don’t want to watch that other shit at that moment. If I do want it, I want someone who’s going to handle it with more skill and nuance than professional athletes will.

      1. Yes exactly. This nonsense started to seep into sports talk shows about 15 years ago and I said the same thing then-that I could get political talk elsewhere and with more understanding and nuance than from ESPN. I don’t want it from athletes either, so I just won’t watch.

      2. I watch sport in general because, I like to see excellence in action. I don’t care what the talking heads have to say about that action; I merely tolerate them because they occasionally say something insightful that helps me understand the game a bit better.

        When it comes to politics, there is no excellence to be seen ever so, I generally have no interest in watching it, listening to it or reading about it. I only care insomuch as it directly impacts me. The only reason I’ve been taking more of an interest lately is because, I’m concerned about the destruction to our society the cancer that is communism is doing.

        Like a lot of other people, I watch sport to get away from the drudgery of everyday life and, if sport becomes tainted by politics, I’ll stop watching.

        1. At the end of the day, professional sports are beholden to their corporate advertisers. The corporate advertisers jumped on “wokeness” and BLM right out of the gate. We saw that in the English Premier League when teams took a knee and wore “Black Lives Matter” on their jerseys the second week of June. Pretty soon every major corporation featured a “#BLM” tag in its advertising. They’re also doing it with mask wearing to reinforce that particular message.

          The NFL seems to be the primary vehicle for virtue signalling these days. It used to be Major League Baseball.

          It seemed to hit its apex a few years ago when every NFL game was an exercise in jingoism with the fly-overs, veterans being trotted out pre-game to be thanked for their service, and televised games featuring recruitment advertising every half-hour. They’ve taken it up a notch.

          At the end of the day, because the NFL is corporate-sponsored entertainment it doesn’t surprise me that they’ve jumped all over this. It’s equivalent to the mask thing with pretty much every advertisement featuring a mask-wearer to reinforce the message. It was particularly painful for me as I live in southeast Michigan and I suffered through all of this along with another Detroit Lions debacle.

          One of the more bizarre moments from yeserday was Michael Vick’s testimonial on his recent social responsibility epiphany. He fought dogs before jail, now he fights injustice. Like anything “corporate” in America, I don’t expect the NFL to have actual integrity.

  6. 1. There is only one national anthem.
    2. Trump should get an injunction against any group using the word “national” in their name or advertising that does not show respect for the nation.
    3. I only wish I had not stopped watching ‘pro’ football decades ago so I could boycott what it is now. If I want politics, I will watch the news, I don’t need to see a bunch of overpaid crybabies telling a bunch of overpaid pussies what to do.
    4. It would be so much fun to see any owner say “OK, guys, I got the message and will immediately take a political position. Any member of the team or staff not standing at attention with their hand over their heart during the only national anthem is fired and blacklisted.”
    5. And while I’m dreaming, a pony for every kid.

    1. “Trump should …” because it’s every libertarian’s wet dream to have the President running things by fiat.

      1. It’s Fiat Chrysler now.

      2. the President running things by fiat.

        I don’t think you know what the word ‘injunction’ means.

        1. I don’t think you understand how you get one. First, you need an argument that the law requires something, then you need that argument to convince a judge.
          Good luck with the “this word belongs to Mr. Trump” argument.

    2. Trump should get an injunction against any group using the word “national” in their name or advertising that does not show respect for the nation.

      Because fuck the first amendment, right?

      1. Because of properly passed laws against false advertising.

        1. It becomes obvious that law does not work the way you wish it did.

    3. “2. Trump should get an injunction against any group using the word “national” in their name or advertising that does not show respect for the nation.”

      A-1.
      ‘Nuff said.

    4. “4. It would be so much fun to see any owner say ‘OK, guys, I got the message and will immediately take a political position. Any member of the team or staff not standing at attention with their hand over their heart during the only national anthem is fired and blacklisted.'”

      Jerry Jones tried this approach. Then he realized his multi-billion dollar franchise generates its revenue becuase people want to see his teams play, not because they want to hear what he has to say. He lost the PR fight over whether or not he should be paying Mr. Prescott.

  7. The NBA players refusing to play for an entire two days sort of laid this charade bare already. NBA owners have nothing to do with the actions of police or racists anywhere. Lebron wants to pretend we have this magic wand but refuse to wave it, so he’s going to make his platform irrelevant.

    1. Many players SAY they’re tired of empty gestures, but they like to go 100% all-in with their own empty gestures.

      1. To be fair, most of their academic achievements were empty gestures too.

        1. Of course since most black high school graduates read and write at a fifth grade level.

          1. Whereas you and your buddies easily mastered sixth-grade before you left the leftist professional educational system.

      2. Turns out solving problems in the real world is a lot harder than playing basketball.

        Who could have guessed?

        1. But you know what’s REALLY easy? Deciding not to play basketball, especially when there’s zero personal risk attached to it. Definitely still gonna get paid, they’ll just make the game up for you.

          1. Yep. The Bucks didn’t actually forfeit their game.

      3. Baker Mayfield, of all people, came out with the most sensible remarks this week.
        He said he’s going to stand for the anthem because, at this point, kneeling just creates more division and distraction

  8. Flag, anthem, pledge… all symbols of the thing, not the thing itself. I’ve always thought that egregious playing of the anthem, waving of the flag, and reciting the pledge (to the flag, ironically) is disrespectful to the thing itself, ie. the nation. Playing the anthem should be dropped entirely from such meaningless events as professional sports games.

    1. Absolutely, just drop the anthems altogether. The Pledge of Allegiance is especially creepy, having its roots in socialism, and originally featuring a Nazi-like extended arm salute.

      1. Exactly. When did the socialist pledge, a mindless genuflection to the state, become a conservative cornerstone?

        Ask elementary students to define allegiance, republic, nation, indivisible, liberty, justice. Yet they are coerced into reciting words that are meaningless to them.

        Also, if you pledge allegiance once, isn’t that enough?

        Again, mindless genuflection. State religion.

        1. Exactly. When did the socialist pledge, a mindless genuflection to the state, become a conservative cornerstone?

          IIRC the Supreme Court case that rules parents have a fundamental right in their children’s education (and so could do home schooling to avoid, among other things, perceived state indoctrination) was a fight against Republican mandates for public education.

          1. “IIRC the Supreme Court case that rules parents have a fundamental right in their children’s education (and so could do home schooling to avoid, among other things, perceived state indoctrination) was a fight against Republican mandates for public education.”

            The mandate for public education was an attempt to block the Catholics from educating their young in their religious traditions.

        2. “Also, if you pledge allegiance once, isn’t that enough?”

          Not if the last time it was compelled.

        3. ” When did the socialist pledge, a mindless genuflection to the state, become a conservative cornerstone?”

          When they changed the words to add God to it.

      2. “Nazi-like extended arm salute”

        It’s kind of demagogic to drag out the Nazis, when both the pledge and the salute pre-date them significantly.

            1. To be fair, the salute was used by the Romans; The Nazis just stole it. So, it not only predates Nazi Germany, it predates the US as well.

              1. They stole the swastika too.

                And the first verse of the German National Anthem. (Modern Germany uses only the 3rd verse)

                1. They stole the swastika too.
                  Are you telling me New Mexico wasn’t a Nazi power base in the 1920’s?

        1. I don’t think I was being demagogic, but your comment was sure pedantic.

          1. How the hell was that pedantic? Are you pulling a Chemjeff and just rifling through the thesaurus?

  9. After 150 years of trying different ways to do it…. Democrats finally got the races to separate. This time they are claiming it is racist if you don’t divide by race. Unbelievable.

    1. Not only would King be disappointed but Malcom X would be as well, especially as he warned blacks their biggest enemy were white liberals.

      1. Modern “anti” racism is the most insulting and disrespectful pose possible to real civil rights heroes like MLK.
        Not only are they explicitly rejecting everything the pioneers worked for, they’re implicitly proposing that the civil rights leaders of the 50s and 60s utterly failed to achieve anything

        1. You will never be anti-racist enough. It is a way to cancel people. What actual actions do they recommend to be anti-racist? Should someone track down all 10,000 KKK members. Publishes all their addresses? Posts billboards around them outing them to all of their neighbors? Offer rewards for their elimination? (I offer this as only theoretical and do not condone any of these actions) Would this be anti-racist enough? Simple logic would point you in these type of actions to be anti-racist. And again, I state, this would all be wrong.

          1. About 7,500 of those names and addresess would be FBI agents, so that would be a wasted effort.

        2. ” they’re implicitly proposing that the civil rights leaders of the 50s and 60s utterly failed to achieve anything”

          Substitute “everything” for that “anything” at the end of the quoted passage, if you want to be accurate.

    2. Kamala wants to forgive student loans for those who graduated from historically black universities. I’d still have to pay mine because I’m white. How is that not racism?

      1. Because Kamala Harris doesn’t mean a damn thing she says, it’s not racism.

      2. “I’d still have to pay mine because I’m white. How is that not racism?”

        You chose not to attend a historically-black college. How is that anyone’s fault but yours?

      3. Nothing says ‘reparations’ like making educated black folks work for free!

      4. You needed to be historically black, like Jessica Krug.

    3. 1960 – White Bigots (Democrats):
      Separate facilities for blacks.
      Blacks must sit at the back of the bus.

      2020 – Woke Progressives (Democrats):
      Separate facilities for blacks.
      Black only seating at the back of the bus.

    4. The thing that drives me most nuts about it is the rank and file people buying into all of it and not seeing it for the racist bullshit it is.

  10. Kaepernick’s protest was always an empty gesture. He never had anything to say other than some broad statement about black people being oppressed. He never offered solutions, only complaints.

    Isn’t that a Critical Theory thing? Never offer answers or solutions, only complaints that people aren’t doing it right?

    1. To be fair.. some of our dumbest TDS filled “libertarians” here do the same.

      1. Biden will win in November and save America from capitalism and COVID-19.

        1. Isn’t one the cause of the other?

        2. I’m going to hack his teleprompter and take over the country.

          1. Your guy can’t even manage to read off of his without screwing it up.

      2. It’s why I dislike the Reason Podcast so much. That seems to be KMW’s schtick.

      3. “To be fair.. some of our dumbest TDS filled “libertarians” here do the same.”

        which flavor of TDS are you referring to, the TrumpCanDoNoWrong version is fueled by Mr. Trump himself, he’s horribly oppressed since the giant conspiracy against him is always keeping him from just doing whatever the hell he feels like, when he feels like it.

    2. Racism and oppression is not a problem that football can solve.

    3. Kaepernick starting days were finished. He tried to get traded, the 49ers shopped him, no one wanted him. He was relegated to the bench and couldn’t stand being sidelined. He now gets all the attention he wants by claiming his lack of team members hip is due to racism. But he has been given multiple chances to try out for teams, but he doesn’t want to play backup and even his NFL arranged private combine, something no other player has ever been offered, he purposely screwed it up because it was obvious he wasn’t competition ready, as he claimed.

      1. The first few weeks he was sitting on the bench. Then that received media attention. So he had to come up with an explanation that wasn’t the honest answer, which was he was that he was pouting, so he went with the BLM bs.
        Then sports media pimped the hell out of it, and continues the myth that he was “blackballed” even though it completely discredits their ability to analyze sports.
        He’s a subpar, one dimensional player who couldn’t/wouldn’t, but at any rate didn’t, improve his abilities. He would be effective enough to be a backup, but he refused to take back up money and would create a media circus. There is nothing football coaches hate more than distraction. Even so, several teams considered bringing him in, only to have Kaep deliberately sabotage their interests. Shrewd move by Kaep as it was the only way to maintain his martyr grift.
        Tim Tebow was also a subpar player who created more distraction than he was worth, though he was willing to take less money and was a great teammate.
        Funny we don’t talk about him being blackballed, though his case would be stronger than Kaep’s (even though neither have a real case).
        It’s deliberately divisive bullshit leftism.

      2. “..He tried to get traded, the 49ers shopped him, no one wanted him…”

        Who needs a supposed QB who can’t hit a receiver more than 5 yards down-field?
        He and Harbaugh were made for each other; he should have started as a junior, played his senior year until the opposing coaches noticed his limitations and graduated with his ‘studies’ degree.

        1. “Who needs a supposed QB who can’t hit a receiver more than 5 yards down-field?”

          Tampa Bay did. Although they changed QB’s, they still somehow wound up with a guy who throws the ball to people wearing different-colored jerseys than the one he has on.

        2. Elway wanted him in Denver but not for $12 mill. Offered $9M, Kaep decided to test the FA market, SF released him early. No takers. Got the blackball rolling….

      3. ” But he has been given multiple chances to try out for teams”

        One time for the Seahawks isn’t “multiple”.

    4. I think there’s some value in getting people to believe that “something must be done”. But if you’re really serious about the topic, you should actively working towards figuring out a specific “something”. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect a Kaepernick to come up with the “something” on his own. But is reasonable to expect him to put his money where his mouth is and work with an organization that will define that “something”, particularly after he’s been at is as long as he has, and even moreso after the giant Disney payoff.

      1. Specifics:

        We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

        We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

        We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

        We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

    5. “Isn’t that a Critical Theory thing? Never offer answers or solutions, only complaints that people aren’t doing it right?”

      Yes, it is. I was required to go to a conference where a black woman said everything was white people’s fault and that “white people need to fix it.” Of course, she didn’t say how.

      1. The how is obvious: Pay me or else.

      2. Why would she want it fixed when she gets paid to complain?

        1. “Why would she want it fixed when she gets paid to complain?”

          See also: Rush Limbaugh, who is outraged, (absolutely OUTRAGED!) by something new every day.

      3. The video is from a presentation that was given by Ashleigh Shackelford, who currently goes by Hunter Ashleigh, a self-described speaker and “trainer.” It shows her giving a presentation to a progressive crowd of liberal white people who continue to sit through her talk even as she hurls racist attack after racist attack on them.

        Shackelford can be seen standing in front of a sign that simply says “All White People Are Racists,” and she explains why she put that up in the video.

        “All white people are racists,” Shackelford said. “So, I put this up because I really want any white person in the room to know up front that this is what we’re dealing with. That it’s not going to be this coddling of white tears. And we’re not going to discuss, ‘oh, maybe some of us are going to work it out.’ No, you’re always going to be racist, actually.”

        Not stopping there, Shackelford went on to add that she doesn’t even see white people as “human.”

        “So even when you’re on your path to trying to figure out how to be a better human being, I believe that white people are born into not being human [laughs],” she said. “Like people of color and black folks being dehumanized, that actually everyone is dehumanized [unintelligible] off white supremacy, that y’all are born into a life to not be human. And that’s what y’all are taught to do, be demons [laughs]. So in this particular way, white people are all racists, so I just want y’all to know that up front.”

    1. You’re a filthy liar, Jeffa.

  11. Been a Browns and Celtics fan since the late 1960’s. I don’t want politics forced in my face during my leisure time. I’m out.

    1. I waited my whole life for the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl, and now I gotta deal with *this*? Talk about bad timing.

      1. there’s at least a possibility they’ll get to try again soon.

    2. Well you have been through enough.

    3. “Been a Browns … since the late 1960’s. … I’m out.”

      I’m surprised it’s taken this long.

      1. When the team went away, that should have been a sign.

  12. This is my national anthem and when I hear it I not only stand in respect, I boogie.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5BL4RNFr58

    1. This is mine and it’s pretty darn grand.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7hVjZHp6YQ

      1. Well that brought a tear to my eye. And I’m not even Canadian.

  13. Boehm almost, but not quite, grasps why kneeling during the anthem was always bad. Keep in mind that I normally tune out the anthem because it’s another annoying thing that I dislike shoehorning into a game.

    It’s because there’s zero discourse in doing it. Any idea you want to present needs to allow people to engage with you, so you can freely argue ideas. But kneeling isn’t a discussion, it’s a gesture, and people can’t engage with the thing you’re kneeling for. Players are, for the most part, not well educated so they don’t want to have deep discussions about their positions. There are a few exceptions of very intelligent athletes who have well articulated positions, but if you do something as empty as kneeling in protest, you’re not actually articulating anything.

    Colin Kaepernick went on Good Morning America or something at the height of his protest. He had well over a month to prepare things to say. He could have talked about civilian review boards or qualified immunity or the War on Drugs, police warrior training. There’s a plethora of issues he could have represented to explain what he wanted to achieve. Instead, all he said was that he wanted racism to end. He had nothing to offer to help achieve that, just an abstract concept, and he could have taken a ton of time to prepare something to offer. It turned out he had literally nothing to offer.

    So kneeling then becomes an embodiment of that-an empty gesture. There’s no discussion, it’s rich and famous people with power using their position to lecture at people who aren’t wealthy and powerful like them.

    1. “…Keep in mind that I normally tune out the anthem because it’s another annoying thing that I dislike shoehorning into a game…”

      Yeah, what we really need is no anthems; a dose of jingoism before every sporting event is really tiresome.

      1. “The Star Spangled Banner” was written to celebrate Fort McHenry’s survival of a bombardment by British jingoists. You need to find a more historically appropriate pejorative.

        1. You need to look up “irrelevant” and “non-sequitur”

          1. It says “Sevo”.

    2. To be exceedingly fair, it isn’t that activist aren’t offering solutions. They just aren’t cheerleading my preferred solutions; and instead of being proffered in some lifestyle piece I would otherwise ignore, are front and center in something I pay attention to.

      Nor is it that entertainment and politics shouldn’t mix. If Kaepernick were blacklisted for having socks depicting a porcupine dry-humping a pile of money, many of the same voices castigating him now would be championing “freedom of expression” and the lot, and how the country has gone downhill when you can’t even speak your mind.

      That said, sports today are violating one of the fundamental truths in business: don’t piss off your customers.

      Do you want to make piles of money or do you want to wax poetic about male white corporate oppression? You can’t have both.

      See- cancel culture.

      1. There might have been a few very unrealistic positions prevented. Black millionaires simply aren’t going to make much progress talking about slavery reparations, but I suspect that’s been argued. Defunding the police is not a realistic position. “Educate yourself about the racist history of policing” isn’t really saying anything either.

        But really, it’s an empty gesture with no risk and no end game. The Montgomery Bus Boycott? They had a very clear goal and they fucking put their money where their mouth was. They stopped using the buses, even when it caused issues for them. At Birmingham, they sought to end public segregation and to open up employment opportunities. They were willing to be arrested, to have dogs sicced on them.

        Protests by professional athletes? They have no stakes, and no endgame, so people are tuning out.

        1. Hmm.

          On the one hand, you have the libertarian position of seeking material compensation for damages occurred. So how long is the statue of limitations on that? And it moves down the line from the Mises argument for ownership, conveniently ignoring the genocide that took place beforehand; but as libertarianism nor the NAP specifically exclude trafficking in stolen goods, all good right? I mean as long as it wasn’t your hands that got dirty, you can show up on the scene after and reset the clock to zero.

          But that Nozick observation is less popular.

          If starving the beast and letting charities exclusively handle welfare are libertarian approved, why wouldn’t that also apply to the police? Why should anyone else have to be responsible for your protection? Rampant socialism I tell you.

          On the whole, about as empty as various libertarian platitudes, and about as much skin in the game as anyone else here.

          But as I can ignore the musings here, somehow that is impossible for others when it is professional sports.

          Okay.

          1. So how long is the statue of limitations on that?

            If you’re talking about genocide, you’re referring to a different disaffected group. And that’s another issue where what’s taught is less history than it is propaganda.

            As for recovering losses-you’d need to actually find the estates of the offending parties. Given that it’s been five or six generations, much of those estates have completely evaporated because plantation farming wasn’t actually a long-term growth industry even WITH slavery. Recovering what they got from the slave traders in Africa is going to be a major issue as well.

            If you’re not willing to admit that there’s some expiration for this, can I get reparations if I can prove my ancestors were enslaved by the Romans? Or the Celts? What if the British Empire starved one of my ancestors to death in a debtor’s prison? Where’s my reparations from the Mongol invasion? Are there Rhinelanders trying to get compensation from their ancestors being conscripted into Napoleon’s armies?

            If you start the issue of holding people culturally related to people who in the past did some historical wrong, there’s never any end to the repayment of debts.

          2. “how long is the statue of limitations on that?”

            Easy. There is no statue of limitations.

    3. “Instead, all he said was that he wanted racism to end.”

      And now Covid. /raises fist.

      Formulating and actual thought to propel your theory or idealism into action is HARD. Better to just lazily keep it abstract and let the Nike money roll in. Together they can high five each other like Tango & Cash.

  14. So, when I kneel during “Lift Every Voice,” that won’t be interrupted as a sign of disrespect, right?

    1. Until you tell people you’re kneeling to show your disrespect.

  15. What happens if I stand for the US National Anthem, but kneel for the other one? As C3PO said, “I’m so confused.”

    1. They could play them at the same time.

  16. Can we get “yellow” and “red” anthems? And how about “Hispanic”? I mean, there are some folks getting left out here.

    1. What about the (former) Yugoslavians? Pretty sure they got an anthem too.

    2. Spanish anthem? We sing “Jose, can you see?” at the start of every game, or used to anyway.

      1. I thought it was the speedy gonzolaz catch phrase

    3. We’ll just go with a medley so everyone is include. It also works since it will sound like a halftime show.

    4. “Can we get “yellow” and “red” anthems? And how about “Hispanic”? I mean, there are some folks getting left out here.”

      You missed the 2020 Olympics, They’re being held next year. You can hear all the national anthems you like.

  17. This is why baseball>football.

    1. Baseball actually cancelled several games in protest and did other socialize justice gestures

      1. Only some baseball teams refused to play. Not all. Was nothing like the obsequious NFL that painted “end racism” in the end zone. I’m sure that gesture will really help actual racists (you know, those who believe in generic superiority and ruling other races) reconsider their ideology. It’s the least the NFL could do — literally.

        1. those who believe in generic superiority
          Finally someone recognized that mixed race is better.

          1. Google “hybrid vigor”

      2. Yeah, but the league showed its dissatisfaction by making some of those teams travel on a rare off day just to play that one game.

        I know the Marlins were pretty upset about having to use their second to last day off to fly to NY for 1 game in the midst of a home stand.

        My outlook was, “Well, you could have had your off day by playing the game as it was scheduled, but you decided to make an empty gesture and not play the game, so here’s your reward.”

        Decisions have consequences. At least the MLB made many of those teams face their consequences quickly and in a way they weren’t really happy about.

    2. I haven’t watched professional sports since Baseketball.

      1. Here’s your trophy.

    3. Baseball went gay when you couldn’t throw high and in anymore because a sissy batsman would get angry.

      Who misses Pedro Martinez?

      1. Went gay when the strike zone was lowered from “across the letters” and pitchers had to start laying more pitches into the hitter’s wheelhouse.

      2. Baseball went gay when they decided that the batter couldn’t take the bat with him on the basepaths. They make them throw them away on the way to first. (or on their way to the pitcher’s mound.) So right when they could really use a bat, they don’t have one.

        Quick question: Would the pitcher throw at any batter’s head if the batter could bring the bat with him out to the mound to discuss the matter?

  18. “fluff and empty gestures”
    band name or album name?

      1. I think you’re right.
        A band name would be something like Jimmy Fluff and the Empty Gestures

        1. The band name for that album would be Burns, Lutes and Murmurs.

    1. Political platform?

  19. Meanwhile 2 sheriff deputies shot in Compton. One a 31 year old mom and a 24 year old man.
    https://abc7.com/la-deputies-shot-los-angeles-shooting-compton-ambush/6420532/

      1. They were just protesting poleece brutalitah.

        1. I’m so glad I don’t live in a shithole Blue State.

          My governor is Team Blue, but the state is not, and I suspect after his bullshit throughout CV will ensure he doesn’t get a second term.

        2. Mostly peaceful.

      2. Think the NFL will let the cops names on their helmets? Nevermore.

        1. “Think the NFL will let the cops names on their helmets?”

          You’re getting ahead of yourself. First they have to recover and make a team, THEN they get a helmet.

  20. The national anthem should be “America the Beautiful”. Much better song.

    Then again we should have switched to the metric system in the 70s.

    And get rid of daylight savings time.

    1. The Star-Spangled Banner is like the Second Amendment set to music in that it requires the singers to ask themselves and each other whether the country is still free and whether they’re still brave enough to fight for their freedom.

      America the Beautiful is a smarmy ode to emotion with a claim that God loves America because she’s so pretty.

      Fuck that noise.

      1. Nobody ever plays the second, third or fourth verses.

    2. The national anthem should be “America the Beautiful”. Much better song.

      I agree…especially Ray Charles’ version, which should make for a nice compromise.

      1. Didn’t the Flyers cancel Kate Smith?

        1. She ate the case of Tastykakes.

          1. Bitch.

            It was always something to play the Flyers. The Habs were in the old Adams division and had their fierce rivalry with every single team topped over by those cocksucking Bruins (best rivalry in pro sports for the longest time in my opinion).

            But outside the division, the Flyers were one of the teams you wanted to watch and play.

            Those games in the old Forum and Spectrum, Smith, Doucet….that was fricken hockey played by real men.

    3. “The national anthem should be ‘America the Beautiful’. Much better song.”

      Ooh, then “Louie, Louie” is the obvious choice. And everybody can have different words if they want to!

      1. Plus you can sing it drunk which is good.

    4. I like how Star Spangled Banner is a run-on sentence and a question. Who else has a national anthem that is a question?

  21. Meanwhile I saw that John Fogerty was not happy that the CCR song “fortunate son” was played at a Trump rally.

    Rather odd choice to play at a Trump rally I thought. First it is a song about a guy who gets drafted (as Fogerty was) complaining about the “silver spoon” guys who get out of it. Not naming names or counting heel spurs here but. Second it is an anti war protest song not very flattering to the government or presidency. “And when the band plays “Hail to the Chief”
    Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord”.

    1. Damn. Not Fogerty! Love his youtube channel. Too bad he sounds like he has TDS.

      1. I’ve heard Fogerty whine about not owning the rights to his own songs. He may be pissed off about Trump using a song he wrote, but it isn’t necessarily his call as to whether they can use his song.

        https://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-fogerty-creedence-clearwater-revival-songs/

        In other words, he may be pissed off about anybody using his songs since he doesn’t get paid for it.

        1. “I’ve heard Fogerty whine about not owning the rights to his own songs.”

          He should have read his contract before he signed it. He got sued for sounding like himself, also because he didn’ t control the copyrights on his CCR back catalog.

      2. I’ve heard Fogerty whine about not owning the rights to his own songs. He may be pissed off about Trump using a song he wrote, but it isn’t necessarily his call as to whether they can use his song.

        https://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-fogerty-creedence-clearwater-revival-songs/

        In other words, he may be pissed off about anybody using his songs since he doesn’t get paid for it.

        1. Fogerty is pretty measured in his response. Not what could be called “pissed off”.

          1. Were you born a pedant, or did it take long years of study to become one?

            1. If someone won’t go along with the narrative you prefer, is that what makes them a pedant to you?

      3. It’s possible he just dislikes Trump in ordinary ways.

    2. The thing about the song is that Fogarty was fortunate, he got out of going to Viet Nam by going into the National Guard, and one other CCR guy went into the Coast Guard

      1. The coasties went to Viet Nam. At least some of them. And a bunch of the rest serve in dangerous conditions even when nobody’s shooting at them.

        1. “The coasties went to Viet Nam. At least some of them. And a bunch of the rest serve in dangerous conditions even when nobody’s shooting at them.”

          I see your cite got eaten by your stupidity, but that is not surprising.

          1. The Coast Guard sent forces to Vietnam under control of the US Navy.

          2. Your stupidity exceeds mine by a comfortable margin. (That means that you are way more stupid). big surprise!

      2. Johnson’s war. Everybody got fucked.

  22. Did anybody see any of the games show the singing of the real national anthem or the black national anthem?

    The ones I glanced at started with a cut to the opening kickoff and nothing more. That was smart of the NFL if they strategically chose not to show either anthem being sung.

    Meanwhile, ratings were down for Thursday’s game, and the news media is being willfully obtuse about the reason why. Here’s a story from the LA Times about the ratings disappointment (published by Yahoo News), that barely even mentions the protests against the national anthem–and neglects to mention fans booing during the Cheifs/Houston game at all.

    https://news.yahoo.com/tv-audience-thursdays-nfl-opener-204304832.html

    That’s typical of what you’ll find pretty much everywhere, but this news is being covered by the same people who were telling us that defunding the police was the surefire way for Biden to win the 2020 election–right up until the moment that Biden picked a bootlicker to run on his ticket for fear that voters might confuse him with the standard narrative in the news media.

    The fact is that patriotism is popular with sports fans, the reason Kaepernick and others started dissing the anthem was to provoke and insult fans, and wiping your ass with the flag doesn’t sell tickets or make people want to tune in. I don’t know whether the news media is being willfully obtuse or delusional on these points, but I’m not sure it matters. Reality is over here, and the news media is lost somewhere over there.

    P.S. The Padres just shellacked the Giants–wearing the same camo uniforms with American flags on them that they always wear on Sundays in support of the troops–and I’m not aware of anyone suggesting that they’re less popular than they could be because of it.

    Fuck the Texans for not having the balls to come out during either anthem, fuck the Dolphins for being too ashamed to come out during the national anthem, too, and fuck the NFL for shooting themselves in the balls this way.

    P.P.S. A society that can’t tolerate the Redskins is an intolerant society.

    1. “The fact is that patriotism is popular with sports fans, the reason Kaepernick and others started dissing the anthem was to provoke and insult fans, and wiping your ass with the flag doesn’t sell tickets or make people want to tune in. I don’t know whether the news media is being willfully obtuse or delusional on these points”

      Looks like you’re being willfully obtuse or delusional on these points, as if you weren’t paying attention when the very-well-paid people told you why they wanted to take your mind off the object of their very-well-paid lives.

      1. “Looks like you’re being willfully obtuse or delusional on these points, as if you weren’t paying attention when the very-well-paid people told you why they wanted to take your mind off the object of their very-well-paid lives.”

        Looks like you are again bullshitting in that those highly-paid folks paid and risked nothing (other than their employer’s revenue) to make gestures and then, as entertainers, do exactly what you claim they wanted the audience to ignore.
        You are full of shit.

        1. Why would you say I’m full of you? GTFO.

  23. They had options. Not pander. They did. Now they will probably pay a price.

    I’m a 40 year sports junkie. Went cold turkey. Not watching a lick of sports. Done with it. And guess what? Don’t miss it all that much.

    Who wants to watch sissy, pampered, millennial, multi-millionaire athletes so bored with their existence and seemingly unfulfilled they latch onto activism and force it onto people lecturing them?

    Never mind you have leagues like the NBA sucking Chinese cock while they and other leagues court and support violent anti-American goons like BLM.

    Owners better get control back of their leagues because players have a bit too much power at the moment. We’re at the point they refuse to fricken practice because some child raping, wife beating degenerate loser gets shot by a cop. Worse, they fucken put his name on a helmet. What a bunch of retards.

    90 Day Fiance it is.

    /knees athlete in the balls. Walks away licking ice-cream.

    Bah humbug.

    A Farewell To Arms for me.

    1. “Who wants to watch sissy, pampered, millennial, multi-millionaire athletes so bored with their existence and seemingly unfulfilled they latch onto activism and force it onto people lecturing them?

      The MotoGP race today was kinda epic. Rossi ended up going toe to toe with his Yamaha teammate.

      Average people can afford to go down to their Yamaha dealer and buy a bike that’s pretty close to what they were racing a few years ago–and this country is riddled with well maintained, lonely mountain roads that look like MotoGP tracks but longer, with more turns, and better scenery. Watching those races isn’t living vicariously through them as much as it is in other sports.

      . . . especially if you’re not the kind of imbecile that goes out and buys a Ducati.

      1. Better still, buy the motorcycle and start doing trackdays. It’s more exciting, more fun, and much safer than trying to show your ass on a public road.

        1. I suppose it depends on where you live. In California, the politics is so nuts that the average road maintenance guy is making six figures, and they’re maintaining roads in the mountains from nowhere to nowhere better than they maintain major state highways in states like Arizona (where they don’t squander money on maintaining roads unnecessarily).

          Point is, if I had a trillion dollars, I’d build myself a network of thousands of miles of roads through the mountains and maintain them, but I don’t need a trillion dollars for that–since California built that dream of a motorcycle track for me. Sometimes when I’m riding out there, I won’t see anyone else in either direction for an hour or more, and when I do see someone, it’s another motorcyclist going in the other direction.

          There are places like that all over the west, but I’m sure it’s not like that everywhere.

      2. Ducati is epic.

        So is Rossi. I saw that crash this summer. Wow.

        1. Ducati is fine if all you have in mind is a track day once a month.

          For the kind of riding I do, the parts are outrageously expensive on a Ducati, and they break down constantly–the maintenance schedules on them are amazing, too. I do all my own work so the cost of having an official Ducati mechanic do things wouldn’t effect me, but if you don’t do everything yourself . . .

          If I’m riding off on a 3,000 mile journey up the Sierras and down the coast of California (which I’ve been known to do), I want a Yamaha or a Suzuki. Yamaha is even more reliable than Honda and Suzuki, and the parts are cheap and easy to find. If I break down in the middle of nowhere, I have whatever I need to fix it myself well enough to limp into the nearest Yamaha dealership–and there are Yamaha places all over the country–even in rural areas where they’re selling quads for hunting and generators.

          You might have to wait weeks to get a part from Ducati. I can get anything for a Yamaha in a couple of days.

          Meanwhile, Yamaha is beating Ducati left and right in MotoGP? There isn’t even a performance benefit for Ducati?

          There’s a certain style associated with Ducati that some people really like. It’s what makes people like Ferrari and giant red corvettes, too. I understand a lot of people want to pay for that image. It’s the same thing with KTM. I’ve always liked those bikes more–the way they look especially. But they have the same problems with reliability, parts accessibility, etc. I was in the market for a Supermoto–and KTM’s are supposed to be the best.

          Look at the freakin’ maintenance schedule on those things.

          I guess I have an iron ass compared to a lot of people, but I can go eight to twelve hours a day with regular stops for gas. I can go along with a 120 mile range between stops because I need to get off and walk around every couple of hours anyway. But what I don’t need is to do an oil change once a week or more because of the kind of riding I do. Supermoto should be the best thing for carving those twisty mountain roads, but because of the maintenance schedule and the reliability issues, I’d rather have a Suzuki DRZ-400SM than a KTM or a Ducati. I don’t think they’ve changed a thing on those DRZ400SMs for ten years! They’re certainly reliable.

          They’re just not fashionable like a KTM or a Ducati.

          I don’t know if you’ve ever broken down somewhere between nowhere and nothing without a single bar in sight for a cell signal, but when it happens, you won’t be thinking about cool you look sitting on the side of the road with your Ducati or KTM. I’ll never know how many times I never broke down because I was on a Suzuki or a Yamaha, but I go places I wouldn’t because I’m on one of those rather than a KTM or a Ducati.

          1. I haven’t ridden since the smuggled RZV500 got sold in the early 90s, but the maintenance on the Yam 2-strokes amounted to gearbox oil, chain adjustment and plug changes (the NGKs went forever after lead went away).
            I don’t recall ever having to bring one of those home on the hook.

          2. Ducati is a race bike. It doesn’t profess to be anything else.

            My buddy rode a Moto Guzzi across Canada.

            1. I stand corrected. I guess like Alfa-Romeo they’re trying their hand outside their comfort zone:

              https://safer-turn.com/article/the-best-touring-motorcycles-to-buy-in-2020-the-magnificent-7/

              Reliability sounds boring to me.

              1. If I’m riding 1,500 miles through extremely twisty mountain roads and then 1,5000 down the coast of Oregon and California–the last thing I want is a touring motorcycle. Touring motorcycles are made for riding interstates in a straight line. What I’m doing is tight twisties for 1,500 miles–often with no services and no cell service within a hundred miles.

                Be clear on this: Consumer Reports did a series on motorcycle reliability that exposed the sexier bike brands for being “repair prone”–and BMW is as bad as the others.

                The reliability of motorcycle brands breaks down like this.

                1. Yamaha
                2. Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki.
                3. A whole bunch of distance to the next brand on the list.
                4. Harley Davidson and Victory.
                5. More distance.
                6. Triumph
                7. BMW, KTM, Ducati.

                How embarrassing for people who pay a premium to look good when they’re sitting on the side of the road hoping someone will stop to help them!

                And here’s how the stats break down in terms of what percentage of each brand require major repairs in their first four years.

                “Harley-Davidson owners are twice as likely to experience problems that require repairs as owners of the Japanese brands, with 26% of new bikes needing attention. Triumph owners were a little more likely than that. But Ducati and BMW owners can expect problems. The study predicted that 33% of new Ducatis and 40% of new BMWs will require repairs.”

                https://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-consumer-reports-motorcycle-ratings-20160127-story.html

                I’m taking my bike apart and putting it back together before I go out into the wilderness, but there’s no way I’m going out there on BMW, a Ducati, or a Triumph. Like I said, their “Touring Bikes” are made for going in a straight lines for long distances.

                I want a standard–or a modern version like it. Yamaha MT-07 or MT-09 would be good choices, but because I’m riding for 8+ hours a day, I want an upright riding position–which means going for their old school versions of those bikes makes a ton of sense–XSR900, XSR700. From Suzuki, and old school SV650 makes a ton of sense–with a comfortable riding position, it’s a joy in the twisties.

                Meanwhile, you’re giving up nothing for performance by riding a Yamaha–they’re beating Ducati on the race track. And the Ducati is four times more likely to break down on me?!

                Why do the magazines and website push Ducati, KTM, Triumph, and BMW so hard?

                1) They’re sexier bikes that are so beautiful they make people drool.
                2) Ducati, KTM, Triumph, and BMW pay for advertising in those publications.

                1. Meh. Motorcycles are devices intended to be used to jump over school buses, casino fountains, and occasionally the Snake River.

    2. “90 Day Fiance it is.”

      My sister watches that one. And also Masked Singer.

  24. So Reason has pretended to be against violence initiated by state authorities for years. Here we now have two deputies sitting in their car shot by a deranged villain for no purpose. Caught on video forever and will Reason decry this violence, or will they ignore it as they usually do? My guess is they will find some excuse. It’s why nearly everyone hates libertarians.

    1. Define ‘everyone’.

    2. “The sheriff’s department said on Twitter early Sunday morning that protesters had blocked the entrance to the medical center’s emergency room and shouted, “We hope they die,” referring to the wounded deputies.”

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-los-angeles-county-deputy-sheriffs-shot-in-ambush-attack-11600000417

      How fucked up is that?

      1. What’s even worse is an NPR reporter interfered in the arrest of the people blocking the entrance and then cried foul “You can’t arrest me, I’m a reporter”

      2. “How fucked up is that?”

        That the Sheriff’s department says things on Twitter?

    3. Everyone hates libertarians because nothing has been posted yet on the Reason blog about the Compton shootings, even though it is the weekend? Got it.

      1. No, they hate idealists who solely vote no on anything instead of working to take even a tiny step to liberty. Idealists have ruined the party. And now we have fucking pandering by Weld and Jo to the left.

        1. “No, they hate idealists who solely vote no on anything instead of working to take even a tiny step to liberty. ”

          But enough about Mitch Mcconnell.

          1. “…But enough about Mitch Mcconnell…”

            Maybe you could offer a cite to support your claim?
            Or just admit you’re a fucking ignoramus…

            1. I’m sorry, I didn’t realize how unprepared for debate you are.

              Mitch McConnell is currently the Senate Majority Leader. He is a Republican from Kentucky. Hope this helps you.

      2. How about the three peace deals, hardly anything about that.

  25. State sanctioned violence like perhaps what the Federal Reserve has been doing to the American worker for decades? the war on drugs? Neither seem to be race driven and for that matter the stats are still pretty nebulous on the % of Americans of this or that “tribe” being killed by cops when unarmed and not threatening civilians. If this is an argument about unequal results..well Reason isn’t much about libertarians who most likely are not supportive of title 2 and eight of the Civil Rights Act of 64 (allowing buys to always discriminate but sellers in certain circumstances can’t, and the idea that govt should be able to enforce private organizations in % employed based again on tribes but only selectively…say if Italians are not proportionally as say sit com script writers..it isn’t discrimination but if AA are not well that is). From what I know about libertarians that seems like not something Reason would support yet the substance of this article seems to suggest it does now.

    As for the NFL…who cares..the only sport where politics is NOT allowed or tolerated (no wokes there) is UFC and honestly it is the only sport worth watching anymore..Dana White knows how to run a sport…Silver or Goodell don’t.

    1. Cockfighting hasn’t been corrupted by politics yet.

  26. While I can’t stand Philadelphia and their various sports teams, it’s a shame that the Iggles didn’t beat the “Washington Football Team”.

    1. Washington Football Team”

      What?! They still haven’t changed that evil colonialist name?!! SMDH

      1. Back off. The Washington Racialslurs have a long and proud history, having won a super bowl as recently as the 1980s.

        1. And dimbulb wokes have a history of making asses of themselves. Keep it up; you’re the butt-crack already.

          1. Why would I want to resemble you?

    2. “Washington Football Team” is the best name in sports history and I unironically hope Snyder keeps it like that, as a giant “fuck you” to the league and the shitlib sports journalists.

      1. I suggested renaming them the Washington Pussies, but the NFL wasn’t too keen on the new logo.

        1. But think of the hat sales the pussies would generate.

          “as a giant “fuck you” to the league and the shitlib sports journalists.” – yup. Hope he keeps it for at least a couple of seasons.

  27. This is crazy. The players are on the job when they are on the field. Leave politics out of the job. What players do off the field is is their affair. If I were an owner, that is the position I would take. Do your protesting when you are not on the job.

    1. ” If I were an owner, that is the position I would take. Do your protesting when you are not on the job.”

      How much is your team worth if none of the players will take the field for you?

      1. How much is it worth if nobody watches the game?

        1. The NFL doesn’t have that problem. Even if they did, they’d still get paid under their broadcast contracts.

      2. “How much is your team worth if none of the players will take the field for you?”

        You ARE confused, aren’t you? Or maybe just abysmally stoooopid. Or both.

        1. “You ARE confused, aren’t you? Or maybe just abysmally stoooopid. Or both.”

          So we should be great friends, since we have that in common.

      3. More than your life, James.
        Which, admittedly, isn’t saying that much

        1. Zing! Your cleverness is on full display!

      4. As much as the players are worth, since they’re under contract.

        1. Being under contract doesn’t help you much if you piss them off enough that they won’t show up to play.

  28. Most countries have handful of soccer teams and maybe some basketball teams. Baseball is only played seriously in the Caribbeans and Asia.

    Meanwhile America practically holds a minor Olympics every year. When you count college sports on top of the big 4 sports, there isn’t second that goes by where sports isn’t playing somewhere in this country.

    And prior to Covid, Americans had no problem with spending several hundreds of dollars to see some no. 7 team that’s can’t win anything, and spend a hundred more on concession and parking. The highest paid player in the Korean Baseball Organization gets paid 2.2 mil a year and fans could get decent seats at 20-40 bucks.

    Friends of Tony live in the greatest nation on earth but carry on like a racial justice Don Quixote, thinking that America is a broken down dystopia where POCs are killed by monsters daily on the street. Look at the fools who plays in the NFL complaining about the league. You make millions playing a sports that only matters in ONE country. You can be a millionaire playing a game that no one else cares about outside of NA.

    1. “When you count college sports on top of the big 4 sports, there isn’t second that goes by where sports isn’t playing somewhere in this country. ”

      there were some seconds, minutes even, without sports last month when the Bucks decided not to play. And the world didn’t stop turning.

      ” Look at the fools who plays in the NFL complaining about the league. You make millions playing a sports that only matters in ONE country.”

      they manage to sell tickets to games in London. where, granted, “football” means a totally different game.

      1. Nobody cares about gridiron football outside North America, aside from some yankophiles. Soccer (AKA football) is a global sports. And yet, an NFL player may make more money playing American football compared to playing soccer outside of America, where the sports is ubiquitous.

        1. Some levels of soccer are comparable salaries to the NFL, and some players make far more

          1. Just like all the other sports, the real money in being an athlete isn’t in the salary, it’s in the endorsement deal(s). Micheal Jordan continued to outearn his contemporaries years after he stopped playing basketball, because they kept paying him to shill McBurgers.

        2. “Nobody cares about gridiron football outside North America”

          And nobody cares about association football inside North America. It’s considered a child’s game, that nobody but parents are expected to attend.

      2. “…there were some seconds, minutes even, without sports last month when the Bucks decided not to play. And the world didn’t stop turning…”
        “…they manage to sell tickets to games in London. where, granted, “football” means a totally different game…”

        M’kay.
        Whatever you’re drinking or smoking, I don’t want any. It seems to make you stooopid.

        1. “Whatever you’re drinking or smoking, I don’t want any.”

          It’s called “reality”, and it’s obvious you don’t want any.

          ” It seems to make you stooopid.”

          You don’t need anything to make you “stooopid”. Naturally gifted with it, apparently.

  29. So will rob misk tune into the NFL since deshan Jackson said hitler was right about the jews, and everyone in the NFL defended him?

  30. I’m glad she acknowledged the monstrous premise of this otherwise good comedy. A couple breaks up, so they decide to divide up their infant twins — so each girl will never see the other parent, her sister, or any of her other relatives again? Or even know she has a sister? Just as in the original version of this movie, the real villains are clearly both parents…….. Read More   

  31. Oracle and a consortium of TikTok investors beat out Microsoft + Walmart for purchase of TikTok’s U.S. assets.

    My understanding is that Ellison and Trump are on good terms, and I don’t think there’s a good reason for Trump to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory on this.

    As I said back when Trump first made the threat, the September 15th deadline wasn’t a threat to switch off TikTok so much as it was pressure in a negotiation for TikTok to sell its U.S. assets to an American company. The biggest winner in this is Trump’s reelection campaign.

    If Trump winning reelection depends on him convincing swing voters in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin that he’s the one that can face down China and get them good jobs again, having just forced a Chinese company to sell itself to Americans is one hell of a way to demonstrate that. I’m not in favor of what he did, and I opposed Trump every step of the way in his trade war with China, but in terms of selling himself to the swing state rust belt, this is great PR for his campaign.

    I saw a sign over the weekend that read, “Reelect the Mutherf*cker” and that may be the best campaign slogan for him. He’s an ass kicking asshole, but he’s our ass kicking asshole and maybe what American needs right now is an ass-kicking asshole–rather than someone who will hold hands with people who’ve had their feelings hurt and want to burn things down and talk about their feelings.

    1. “He’s an ass kicking asshole, but he’s our ass kicking asshole and maybe what American needs right now is an ass-kicking asshole”

      He’s nobody’s asshole but his own. Anyone hitching their hopes of future success to the Trump locomotive is doomed to failure. He don’t help nobody but himself.

      1. “…He don’t help nobody but himself…”

        You misspelled ‘hisself’, you pathetic piece of shit. Stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company.
        I’d ask you to explain how that differentiates him from every other politico who ever lived, but any possible answer from a fucking ignoramus with an IQ in single digits isn’t worth reading.

        1. “any possible answer from a fucking ignoramus with an IQ in single digits isn’t worth reading.”

          Keep trying, you might be able to get your IQ as high as the single digits.

    2. If you define ass kicking as turning America into a barely functional global laughingstock.

  32. Complex and nuanced? The Marxist sociopaths have perverted the Civil Rights movement with hatred, and turned Race Issues in America in to a brutal, and cruel Kafka trap to use a psychological weapon against innocent Americans.

  33. The best part of opening week so far was many of the Chiefs fans booing the far left wing bullcrap.

    It sure takes a lot of gall to relentlessly shove this bullshit propaganda down the sports audience’s throats while laughably claiming you’re doing it in the name of “unity”. Keep boing their asses.

  34. Anyone who doesn’t like the way the NFL runs its games is free to start their own league and run it the way they see fit.

    Donald Trump tried it once, with his usual degree of success.

    1. “Anyone who doesn’t like the way the NFL runs its games is free to start their own league and run it the way they see fit…”

      True, and those who run the NFL are free to degrade its value to appeal to shits like you.
      ————————————
      “…Donald Trump tried it once, with his usual degree of success…”

      “Trump’s Net Worth Rises to $3 Billion Despite Business Setbacks”
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-12/trump-s-net-worth-rises-to-3-billion-despite-business-setbacks
      I’m not a lefty shit as you seem to be, so I haven’t done badly over the last year, regardless of lefty shits like Newsom, but I didn’t do as well as Trump seems to have done.
      You? Did you break $3Bn, TDS asshole?

      1. Trump is morbidly obese and orange. His cock is small, weird, and sad.

        Go!

      2. ” You? Did you break $3Bn, TDS asshole?”

        No, I didn’t inherit any of Fred’s money.

    2. The CFL called. They said go fuck yourself, eh.

      1. they still have 2 of their 9 teams with the same name?

  35. I have never supported playing the national anthem at athletic events. I personally have, for a very long time, refused to show any support for such artificial pretensions of blind nationalism.

    I have always supported the right of Americans to protest.

    But neither of those two positions imply the slightest support for the notion of conducting a protest in your employer’s place of business, during business hours, while wearing your employer’s uniform.

    And the notion that professional athletes have earned some right to do that is disgusting. The only reason they have a ” … platform and status to raise awareness to issues affecting minorities in the U.S.” is because the customers of their employer have elevated their status … because they’re athletes – not because they have any special insights into any particular cause.

    Athletes are certainly entitled to use their (often meaningless) status to speak their minds on issues they find important. But they’re not entitled to do so on their employer’s time and property, while wearing their employer’s uniform.

    I find it next to impossible to believe that anyone watches athletic events because of the personal beliefs of the athletes who engage in them. If player’s personal beliefs were the criteria for supporting a player, I believe most athletes would have no special “status” at all: they’d most likely have the same “status” as the rest of the people in this country … which is all the “status” they deserve on topics outside their demonstrated skills.

    I completely agree with the article statement that, “If we have to filter that debate through the binary of choosing to stand or sit for a national anthem – or, for that matter, through the equally unsatisfactory binary of a Team Red versus Team Blue election—we’ll never get much resolved.”

    But I think there’s more to the problem than that article statement suggests.

    Protests may be constitutional, but that does not make all of them beneficial for their alleged “cause”. The majority of serious problems are not amenable to being usefully conveyed using the space available on a hand carried placard, or even to a count of the number of people perceived as marching in favor of the “cause”.

    Humans are far too easily pressured to conform to what others think, and too easily duped.

    My observation is that too many “protests” fail to make their real point … and too often include desires that are, for the protest leaders, better not openly addressed (or desires that are acquired later, as the movement gains increased public support, and supporters perceive an opening to gain more than they originally wanted … or deserved).

    It is way too easy to over reach when participating in a movement that has a significant emotional element as its public front.

    1. “I have never supported playing the national anthem at athletic events. I personally have, for a very long time, refused to show any support for such artificial pretensions of blind nationalism…”

      Exactly.
      These are sporting events; they have absolutely no connection to the national state or government at all.
      Kick the ball or throw it; can the jingoism.

      1. ” they have absolutely no connection to the national state or government at all.”

        They are military recruiting opportunities. This is why they have the fighter jets fly overhead before the game and why the military subsidizes the broadcasts.

        1. If players chose to protest the military recruiting aspects of the games, I’d be much more sympathetic to their position since in that situation they are being obliged to tacitly endorse a political message at the direction of their employers.

    2. “We, the National Football League, condemn racism and the systematic oppression of black people,” Goodell said. “We, the National Football League, admit we were wrong for not listening to NFL players earlier and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest.

      “We, the National Football League, believe black lives matter. I personally protest with you and want to be part of the much-needed change in this country. Without black players, there would be no National Football League. And the protests around the country are emblematic of the centuries of silence, inequality and oppression of black players, coaches, fans and staff.”

      That employer?

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  37. I’d like to boycott sportsball, but since I wasn’t a customer of theirs at all in the first place, I don’t think it would have much effect.

    -jcr

  38. http://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/1305280796190793731?s=19

    Black Lives Matter is spreading some insane rumor that Lancaster, PA just shot and killed a 14-year-old with autism.

    The man they shot was 28. If riots break out, this is the narrative they started.

    1. http://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1305316531044319233?s=19

      Police shot and killed an autistic man in Lancaster, PA today and left his body uncovered for hours. People are protesting outside the police HQ now.

      1. http://twitter.com/Austin_Zone/status/1305329713775366147?s=19

        #BREAKING: This is the shooting victim from the Lancaster PA police shooting.

        1. http://twitter.com/savlucy420/status/1305290072133074944?s=19

          THE POLICE IN LANCASTER PA HAVE MURDERED A BLACK PERSON THEIR CURRENT DEFENSE IS HE HAD A KNIFE AND IDGAF IF HE HAD A GUN HE SHOULD BE ALIVE THE KKKOPS NEED TO BE ABOLISHED NOW NOT A YEAR NOT 6 MONTHS FUCKING NOW

          1. http://twitter.com/joshuar59823159/status/1305309428099538944?s=19

            My city need to riot… a 13 yr old autistic boy killed by police. #LancasterPA #LancasterCounty

              1. http://twitter.com/Liberalism1984/status/1305349253741588480?s=19

                their hero was being held on $1M bail for stabbing people, including stabbing a 16 year old multiple times in the face, just last year, supposedly released due to wuflu

    2. No riots broke out in Salt Lake City last week when police shot and wounded a 13-year-old autistic boy. Of course, he was white, so the Burning Looting Marxists don’t think his life matters.

      1. “No riots broke out in Salt Lake City last week when police shot and wounded a 13-year-old autistic boy. Of course, he was white”

        Are there any people in Utah who aren’t white, besides the Jazz?

  39. When we have real police abuse problems, and there are victims of various races, then it should be a consensus position to get the bad apples and remove them from the barrel. Yes, I said “bad apples,” not with a focus on “a few bad apples,” but with a focus on “one bad apple can spoil the others.”

    But it seems that there’s a determination in certain quarters to (a) use police abuse as part of a white-baiting narrative, and (b) commit all sorts of illegal mayhem in the name of Racial Justice.

    Now we should ideally have a simultaneous consensus that arson and looting are wrong, even if the perp is black or leftist (or both). We should have a consensus for keeping the good apples in the police once the bad apples have been taken away.

    Oh well, only someone smoking the good stuff would believe all these optimistic things now.

    1. The CA legislature has placed a proposition on the ballot to reinstate racial preferences, thereby requiring racism at the state level.
      When “All Lives Matter” is seen as racism, we have entered into the vortex.

      1. thereby requiring allowing racism at the state level
        After the proposition passes, the legislature will pass a law requiring it. Eventually they will expand it to include private organizations.

      2. You wouldn’t say “all lives matter” if you didn’t intend to be racist.

        If not, you don’t understand what you’re doing, the words you’re using, or the context you are living in, and you should probably do yourself good and stop contributing to a conversation you weren’t invited to.

        1. “You wouldn’t say “all lives matter” if you didn’t intend to be racist.”

          We’re through the looking-glass now.

          1. At best you’re taking other people’s fight for liberty and saying “But what about ME?”

  40. Fuck the NFL and this SJW bullshit. Good luck getting SJWs to watch your games. LOL when 40-60% of your viewers check out. And the existing % are bars/restaurants.

    1. You say “good luck getting SJWs to watch” but if/when pro sports leagues start circling the drain and (mostly BIPOC) players’ extravagant livelihoods become more uncertain, following sports might become a way for virtue-signalers to flaunt their solidarity with pro athletes, as though they’re helping preserve an endangered species. (Imagining the staff at some Bay Area social-media outfit pretending to enjoy games and spontaneously enthuse about players is mildly amusing.) Who knows — not conspicuously supporting pro sports, much like not being “actively anti-racist,” may even come to have its social consequences.

  41. It’s not complex or nuanced the violence is caused by drug prohibition.

  42. Nothing wrong with having two anthems, that’s a logical consequence of having two nations.

    However, I do not get why amricans have to subsidize kneelers, time to slash any governement program that results in a net transfer of resources towards BLM america. In fact, time to have two separate governments.

    1. How about our one government simply arrests Donald Trump and puts him in prison till he dies, and all his treasonous racist supporters can impotently cry over their humiliation? Seems easier.

    2. “I do not get why amricans have to subsidize kneelers”

      You don’t. You can go talk to the coach, and convince them that you’re a better football player than the protester, and take his job. (Look out for blindside hits, though.)

      Be sure to point out that football can’t cause your CTE, because you already are suffering from it.

  43. Congrats, 2 national anthems. Now we are so woke we have succeeded in creating a separate but equal society. 1972 Presidential Candidate George Wallace is up there smiling.

    1. With people buying land to create black-only communities, pretty soon we’ll have black-only schools, by choice. Remind me, what was the point of Brown vs Board of Education? Fair Housing Act?

      1. Doesn’t bother me. I don’t see where they are causing any harm. They claim it won’t be black only. I suspect the project will turn out a bit more complicated than they planned anyway.

        A lot of these idealistic projects break down under real conditions.

  44. As a former Boy Scout, allow me to offer the following flag etiquette rules of thumb:

    Standing and placing your hand over your heart before the flag: respectful.
    Kneeling before the flag: respectful.
    Grabbing and humping the flag: disrespectful.

  45. Kaepernick’s demotion from 49ers starting QB is a moot point now, why are we focusing on that?

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  47. If songs had a real political impact, than we would have ended wars back in the 60s.

    1. “C’mon people you ain’t gonna end the war if you can’t sing any better than that And it’s 1-2-3 what are we fighting for…”

      Country Joe McDonald Fish Cheer. Well you know the song.

      See, people just didn’t sing loud enough.

      1. They should have clapped harder, too.

  48. >>American society is grappling with complex, nuanced issues connected to race and political power.

    don’t feed the trolls.

  49. “This is no longer a question about whether players have the right to refuse to stand for the flag—they do, of course”

    No, they don’t. On the field they are employees at their place of work and are “on the clock”. Within the bounds of their contract, they need to comply with their employer’s policies, and if those policies says stand for the national anthem, then they need to do it or find a different job.

    Off the field and on your own time, by all means, do whatever protesting you want to do.

    1. Depends how the contract is written I suppose. The players have lawyers too. Also contracts are often ignored by one side or the other because there are big dollars at stake. Fire your three best and most popular players and watch what happens.

      I agree though that just play ball. They should not have the anthem at sports events anyway.

  50. Just play the anthem and ask the players and coaches to stand at attention with their hands over their hearts, or skip it and go straight to football. Maybe after a team prayer.

    Kaepernick’s original protest was misguided (it disrespected those who served in the armed forces under the flag, but was targeted at abuses by municipal police departments), but it was effective as a protest (it got him and his cause noticed and made people uncomfortable) and showed guts (he was widely condemned and it contributed to him losing his high paying job). Of course, unionized police forces in Democrat controlled cities continued to brutalize some suspects of all races after Kaepernick’s protest, but the visibility of part of the issue was increased.

    Now the “kneeling for the anthem” bit is so watered down, coaches and players are being criticized for not kneeling.

    1. “Kaepernick’s original protest was misguided (it disrespected those who served in the armed forces under the flag”

      It did not. It was spun that way by people opposed to the protest, but that doesn’t make it true.

  51. And the sports entertainment industry will undergo a severe market correction because of this over reach, and their ‘value’ will decrease to equal there value.

    Rednecks and other boogeymen watch TV, but don’t expect people to watch a nameless football team, in a mindless sport.

  52. This is the free market at its best. Owners try to appease their players, players choose whether to play for their owners. Viewers choose where to spend their entertainment time and money. If it crumbles, welcome to the real world where consequences exist!

    1. The NFL has a broadcast-rights contract with the American TV networks that runs for years and pays them billions. This is why there can still be games even during a pandemic that keeps fans out of the stands, not buying $8 hotdogs and $5 light beers.

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