Coronavirus

Letting Restaurants Sell To-Go Drinks but Only With a Food Order Is a Good Idea Wrapped in a Dumb One

Where are calorie-counting scolds when you need them?

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Restaurants, breweries, bars, and other places where Americans used to drink alcohol before the COVID-19 pandemic are struggling to survive. Many have closed. Many others remain open but won't make it.

Thankfully, many states around the country have relaxed rules for selling alcohol in order to help an industry that's been decimated by falling demand and mandatory closures and other restrictions spurred by the pandemic.

Lawmakers in many states have thrown something of a lifeline to these businesses by granting them the freedom to sell alcohol beverages to go. For example, as I reported last month, at least 30 states had changed rules to allow to-go alcohol sales by bars and restaurants temporarily during the pandemic.

Since then, Massachusetts has also joined the party. But the conditions attached to that state's relaxation of its rules, in many cases, seem to defeat the purpose of the bill. One key problem: the rule change requires to-go drinks to be offered only by restaurants (or bars with a foodservice license), and requires that any to-go order be paired with a food order—whether a consumer wants food or not.

Other weird and irritating conditions apply in Massachusetts, too. For example, the new rules cap drinks at two per entrée, imposes drink volume and booze-to-non-booze ratio restrictions, and requires any drinks to be provided in sealed containers. The rules also require any drinks to be served no later than midnight, and mandates any drinks sold to a consumer "to go in the trunk" of any car.

While it's fair to ask whether Massachusetts has imposed so many bizarre and idiotic conditions on to-go sales that the new rules have swallowed the purported exception, it's also the case that the food requirement Massachusetts has adopted for to-go drink orders—no food, no drink—is increasingly common around the country.

Rules in place since March in New York State allow to-go drink sales. Just as in Massachusetts, though, to-go drinks may only be sold with food.

One New York bar owner said the food requirement "will definitely hurt his bottom line because it requires people to purchase things they might not want, which may make them leave instead of order."

It probably comes as no surprise, then, that some bars that sneer at the foodservice requirement have attempted to work around the rule. Last month, an Upstate bar owner added a $1 order of chips and salsa to his menu "so customers would have a cheap food option if they just wanted a drink." The bar's menu dubbed the chips-and-salsa order "Cuomo chips," a sneering nod to New York's governor, Andrew Cuomo, for the "unexpected hurdle" the governor had placed in the bar's path.

When Gov. Cuomo learned he'd been so honored, he allegedly smiled. Then he said Cuomo chips "do not suffice in the existing law as a bar serving food," which is apparently governorspeak for that's not what I meant.

Other states also require food to be sold alongside takeaway drinks. A proposed Maine law says to-go alcohol sales "must be accompanied by a food order." In a nod to the Cuomo chips controversy, the bill directs the state ABC bureau to determine "the type of food order that must accompany a take-out" order.

And here I thought there was an obesity problem. These rules are forcing Americans to consume empty calories they don't want. Where are all the public-health scolds when you need them?

States should be doing everything they can to ensure businesses can survive right now. Offering an oar to bars and restaurants is great, but not when it requires them to paddle and play a trumpet at the same time. 

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        Mueller looked into Wiki. What the fuck is Mr. Todd smoking?

        1. Chunk Todd is a complete left wing propagandist.

          1. He chunked up so now he’s closer to two complete left wing propagandists.

      5. BOTH SIDES.

        One uses the deep state and all that, the other tries to convince people on talk radio.

        IT’S THE SAME THING, TOTALLY.

    2. Wow this scheme reminds me of Eugene O’ Neill’s play The Iceman Cometh; where the drunks at Harry Hope’s saloon have an old sandwich on the bar so they can serve drinks.

  2. First choice, recall elections
    Second choice, sell the food at cost, and allow the customers to donate it on the spot to feed the homeless, (but held for later, for one time collection by the charity) and the bar takes a charitable deduction.
    Third choice, revolution; the cops have been defunded anyway, so no worries there. Just carry BLM signs as you storm the city council.

  3. Pandemic Hero Cuomo strikes again. Will he let you send the food you have to buy to the nursing homes he required to take covid-positive patients?

    1. Will he allow you to shop and eat without inventing shitty arbitrary rules to satisfy his mid-wit narcissism?

      This guy is really dumb. I mean….fucken dumb if this is what he comes up with. And he’s not alone. The pandemic flushed out the gunk like a plunger liberating a toilet bowl filled with ‘flushable’ wipes and shit.

      That’s how I low I think of public officials. It’s one thing to not be sure what’s going on – and even to have the courage to admit it – but quite another to pretend you know and covering it with impractical measures that make no sense.

      1. “Will he allow you to shop and eat without inventing shitty arbitrary rules to satisfy his mid-wit narcissism?”

        No. Next Question.

      2. Scary thing is, he’s the “smart” brother.

        1. That is the empty set.

  4. While it’s fair to ask whether Massachusetts has imposed so many bizarre and idiotic conditions

    it’s Mass, what do you expect … bizarre and idiotic conditions is the state motto.

    1. Going back to the Bay Colony founding. If you want to learn about some truly freakish treatment of humans, read about those Puritans.

      1. Too true.
        Everybody has written history like they came here for religious freedom, but they cam to impose their OWN religious conformity laws. Just ask the witches.

    2. Boston is maybe the most racist place I’ve ever been to, outside of Oregon.

  5. ‘It’s not what I meant’ because no one understands retard.

    It’s MIND BOGGLING how supremely arrogant these stupendously stupid politicians are to think they can micro-manage to this obscene level.

    For a disease we actually know less about than we think it seems. The fog of this pandemic is really bizarre.

    1. Its a political shell game now. If Harris wins expect the COVID shit to disappear.

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  8. Somewhere buried in this food vs. drink debate is a distorted reality about the restaurant industry: that the economics of alcohol is very different than food.

    How many times have we heard from owners and managers about how much of their profit margin comes from drinks? And how many of us can see the measurable evidence, comparing the cost of a bottle of wine at the corner store (at retail price) to the same bottle on the restaurant wine list (most likely bought at a wholesale price)?

    I do not mind paying for good food, especially since I would struggle to match the quality of most decent chefs, and never come close to the food prepared by the best (and forget about offering a variety to a dinner party group). But I can open the same exact bottle of wine, pour the same exact beer, and even mix the same exact cocktail.

    So fuck Cuomo, but also fuck the restaurant and bar owners who seek to maintain the same fetish about alcohol.

    1. When you buy a drink at a bar, you’re not paying for the drink, you’re paying for the bar. Even if they’re selling to-go drinks, they still have to pay for the bar. These places are scratching and clawing to stay afloat, unfortunately many of them won’t. But I suppose if you don’t have enough capital to stay afloat during a mandatory lockdown for 6 months or a year you don’t deserve to be in business and we’re all better off without you. A well-run business should be able to manage a year-long vacation from work while still keeping up with the bills, just like most families can.

      1. Although, admittedly, I’m a good one to talk – since not having a job for 6 months and it looking like I may not have a job for another six, I’m finding that it looks like I may be forced to lay off one of my butlers because my finances are in such a ruinous state. I am ashamed to admit I didn’t prepare properly for having no income for a year. I shall prepare more wisely henceforth!

        1. Wise choice. You need to hang on to the footmen and scullery maids. The butler does indoor work, no heavy lifting, that a professional like you could handle himself.

          1. If you are going to hang on to the scullery maids, be damn sure you get the consent forms notarized.

      2. “…But I suppose if you don’t have enough capital to stay afloat during a mandatory lockdown for 6 months or a year you don’t deserve to be in business and we’re all better off without you. A well-run business should be able to manage a year-long vacation from work while still keeping up with the bills, just like most families can…”

        In CA, restaurants were ‘allowed’ to resume indoor dining – for a week and then were shut down again by emperor Newsom’s decree.
        In talking with the owner of a place which has decent out-door seating capacity, he said that move cost him thousands in re-hirings, food bought and wasted and other costs. I pointed out that, pretty much universally, politicos in CA (and SF also) have never held a job; they have slopped at the public trough from the day they graduated, and have ZERO knowledge of business issues; hence the fantasy you describe.

      3. Yeah, I get that. And my personal bias is showing, since I seldom spend much time in bars.

        But I still question the restaurant business model, which the pandemic and panic-demic has now challenged (like lots of other things, like premium vs. economy class seat pricing and profits on airlines–how will that work if business travel never recovers?). If owners priced food and drinks with similar profit margins, perhaps these arbitrary shut-down restrictions and trying to survive on takeout might be easier.

    2. This is a good analysis of the problem. My wife and I get take out food at least once a week. We never order beverages because I can buy beer, wine, spirits, and soda without the restaurant mark-up. I have nothing against restaurants selling take out liquor, but I don’t see it saving their business.

      1. No, it’s whining, as ES admits.
        If restaurants marked up food instead of liquor enough to stay in business, you’d whine about that.

        1. No. Explain why the markup on the things I can exactly reproduce at home is significantly higher than the things that restaurants can make that I can’t. I already said I don’t mind paying for better food.

          1. The mark-ups are different because that’s what the market will bear, and that’s what the managers think will be most financially beneficial. Are you under the impression that there’s an unwritten rule that companies are supposed to have the same margins on everything, or that they’re supposed to have margins that you personally deem appropriate?

      2. I imagine that they’re selling drinks that require a little bartending. Not just a case of Coors or a box of Zinfandel.

    3. But I can open the same exact bottle of wine, pour the same exact beer, and even mix the same exact cocktail.

      So, I’m with you on the wine, mostly, but if you’re drinking a bottled beer or a cocktail you have all the ingredients for at home at a bar you’re missing half the point.

      It’s like going to a restaurant and complaining that it costs more than cooking at home. 😀

    4. My mother can match any chef.

    5. Back when I tended bar, our target for liquor cost was about 20%. Which means that if I was serving you a $5 drink, it should generally cost about $1 to make. That’s not including labor or overhead, mind you, just what goes into the drink.

  9. …and mandates any drinks sold to a consumer “to go in the trunk” of any car.

    She’s got drunk in the trunk!

    1. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to enjoy a drink in the trunk of a car?

      1. You are supposed to buy the drink to support the bar / restaurant. You aren’t supposed to enjoy it.

      2. Or an elephant.

        1. I’ve never tried to enjoy a drink in an elephant.

          1. Prude

  10. the bill directs the state ABC bureau to determine “the type of food order that must accompany a take-out” order.

    Of course it does. It’s modern legislation that pretends to have “lawmakers” avoid responsibility for their actions.

  11. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/politics/2020/07/31/wny-bar-believes-suspension-is-retribution-for–f—-cuomo–menu

    “The menu includes flour tortilla, Utz BBQ chips, a carrot stick, going on to eventually create an acrostic spelling out an obscenity and the governor’s last name. Gardella didn’t want to litigate whether the items were in compliance with the liquor license but rather asked if there was a reason the SLA was there in the first place.”

    1. How about cocktail franks….called Cuomo dicks.

      1. Do they make mini-mini’s?

  12. Rather than asking where the state gets off telling bar owners what they may and may not serve, you might try asking why the state is allowed to get away with telling bar owners what they may and may not serve. I know if I saw my livelihood slipping away and some officious prick came into my bar and told me I wasn’t allowed to make a living, I’d probably beat the shit out of him with a baseball bat, throw his ass in the dumpster, and tell him if he came around here again I’d fucking kill him. What is that saying about how people should not fear their government, government should fear the people? How many state inspectors do you suppose you’d have to beat the shit out of before they decided maybe it’s not so wise to fuck with people? I realize after years of bending the knee and the state becoming accustomed to the knee being bent, it would probably take quite a bit for the state to realize they’ve lost control, but that’s a result of the “spare the rod and spoil the child” sort of thing where the state has been steadily encroaching and the people haven’t been pushing back but instead letting them get away with that shit. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty and the people have not been vigilant for far too long. Now you’re going to have to literally crack some skulls to get their attention.

    1. “Rather than asking where the state gets off telling bar owners what they may and may not serve, you might try asking why the state is allowed to get away with telling bar owners what they may and may not serve…”

      We have sacrificed control of our lives and most of our economic activity to that notably incompetent organization known collectively as ‘the government’, and anyone who has read even a modicum of 20th-century history should know full well that *nothing* good comes of that.
      And we have done so as a result of an illness which infects many and seems to cause real harm in few; so far, it has yet to kill 1/10 of 1/2 of 1% of our population.
      After more than 6 months of draconian controls, followed by a mild relaxation of these controls, we find a rise in the infection rate, accompanied by a falling death rate. The governments’ response is to increase controls, which controls, from experience, seem only to have pushed the rise in infection rates further down the calendar.
      At one time we were told the controls would be withdrawn after ‘the curve was flattened’; now it seems they will be lifted after Eastasia is defeated.
      At least some of us are embarrassed at the lack of outrage at such a naked power grab, and I was not alone in calling for rioting in the streets the first day Newsom decided he was dictator, thereby ruling when and under what conditions we could leave our prisons.
      It is worth repeating that this grab was accepted by us as a result of an illness which infects many and seems to cause real harm in few; so far, it has yet to kill 1/10 of 1/2 of 1% of our population.
      The path forward and out of this government-inflicted disaster is suggested by Vaclev Havel’s approach (“Post War”, Judt, pg 568):
      “…The objective […] should be to act with autonomy, whatever the regime tries to impose on you; to live *as if* one were truly free…”
      Regardless of the CA ‘mask gestapo’, I wear a face diaper when I must enter a business and nowhere else; any dirty looks get a smile in return.
      No, I will not be tested, since it seems any test is valid for, oh, a week or so at best. Nor will I accede to any ‘tracking’ scheme, regardless of any claims of privacy.
      Simply I attempt to act as if the world is not currently in control of tin-pot-dictator wannabes; if it means a ticket or jail for my actions, I’m your guy!

      1. “infects many and seems to cause real harm in few”

        We’ve all been infected by your TDS!

        1. “We’ve all been infected by your TDS!”

          It’s easy to spot the assholes afflicted with TDS; like fundies of all stripes, they’ll raise the issue regardless of the subject under discussion.
          They wake up in the morning hating the guy and go to bed at night the same way; it’s there LIFE! It’s the only meaning they have in their miserable existence.
          This lefty fucking ignoramus is a prize example; we can sincerely hope it’s fatal here, and causes a long and extremely painful death.
          Fuck off, you slimy piece of lefty shit.

          1. Says the asshole afflicted with TDS!

    2. The band’s name is Millions of Dead Cops, but I’m sure it would take far, far fewer of them before the rest of them ran and hid forever.

      Of course a lot of it would depend on whether we agreed to give amnesty and not pursue them and their families and dogs and cats. Really that’s the reason governments put up much resistance: the fear that they’ll be lynched if they surrender.

  13. Andy, Gretchen and the hapless leadership of Chicago, Minneapolis, Portland and Seattle are just a taste of things to come if Biden is elected. COVID-19 is being used as the excuse to usher in a totalitarian government.

  14. I live in New Orleans where is has always been legal to get drinks to go. Recently the bars were closed partly because too may people were simply going outside to drink and the resulting gatherings were thought to be too risky.

    1. Shame on those people for acting as if they had control of their lives!
      Don’t they know we’re at war with Eastasia?

      1. Everyone knows that; we have always been at war with Eastasia.

  15. I don’t understand why more business owners don’t go online to protest the restrictions. I’m seeing discussion boards (twitter, disqus, etc) and most of them supported the lockdowns and arbitrary restrictions like this and very few people oppose them. Reason is a rare exception.

    Here’s an example of an old woman cashier getting berated and canceled for not wearing a mask. Complete pile-on with few defenders.

    I think business owners are somewhat to blame for this getting so bad. A few resist but many say things like, “I just don’t feel comfortable opening yet.” I don’t understand the reluctance.

    1. Maybe because online is where you get cancelled the most if you speak out against government oppression. Unless you’re against Donald Trump and Republicans in which case you are celebrated.

      I oppose government telling a business it should shut down for a pandemic that’s about as bad as the ’57 or ’68 one. In which no one shut down, many people died, and we went on with our lives.

      I am very opposed to social media in which a mob of twidiots can decide who lives and who dies.

      Vote Republican this November and remove the scourge of the democrat swamp from power.

      1. Yep. You’re great at preaching to the choir. Good work!

      2. Well, as I have no social media accounts, how will I ever know if I get cancelled?

    2. I think the trouble is that many people sincerely believe reducing social contact will reduce the number of people who get seriously ill from this virus…ever. Either they haven’t thought thru the microbiology and immunology, or don’t know enough of it to begin with, or they think an effective vaccine is just around the corner so if we can stall for just a little longer…!

      They see closing or partly closing one’s business as just a small sacrifice because it won’t be much longer, and the owners have enough socked away to survive it, and the employees will get unemployment.

      1. It won’t change the number of people who get the bug very significantly, but it will affect who gets it. Don’t mask up for others, do it for yourself.

  16. A permanent (vegas-freemont st style) market exists for open air bars in every city in the country during nice weather months. I’d really like to try different wines by the glass. Most aren’t gonna pay $60 or $70 for a bottle, but they’ll try an excellent zin at $15-20 a glass. My husband likes to try different scotch. The kid loves beers. Other family members and friends like gins and cocktails. A food truck type model for booze.

    CHOICE

    1. “The kid loves beers.” Out in the open kids are allowed to drink beer??? What country do you live in?

      1. It’s just a nickname clearly their goat is over 21

        1. “The Kid” is 28

    2. There’s no such thing as an “excellent zin”.

      1. She misspelled sin.

      2. A good robust red zin is actually an excellent wine.

        White zins are more popular but they are shit.

        I had a friend of mine bring a bottle of wine to a housewarming party for my folks – I asked him to bring a ‘big zin’. He brought a 175 of white. Oops! But his heart was in the right place.

  17. I don’t really see the point of this, except maybe an example of Mass. and NY govt protectionism of the package stores who don’t or can’t deliver their products?

    1. Uber does delivery from liquor stores.
      Doordash and/or grubhub might too, but I’m not sure

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  22. Restaurants can open, Mobile Apps are the new touch-less way of delivering safe services. We do have the technology to keep everyone safe and re-open commercial spaces.

  23. It looks like a lazy weekend for a lazy outfit.

    I mean, it’s not like there aren’t plenty of newsworthy things to talk about: Kevin Clinesmith’s guilty plea, the ongoing success of Trump’s middle east policy (Block Yomomma’s ill-advised, foolish pivot towards Iran is thankfully dead and never coming back again), the ever-increasing violent crime explosion in Chicago and other hellholes.

    Good luck getting Reason to acknowledge any of these things though, ROFLMAO.

    1. Should readers expect the Reason staff to announce their consensus support for Biden/Harris sometime soon?

      1. ,The Libertarian case for Biden-Harris is due any day.

    2. (Block Yomomma’s ill-advised, foolish pivot towards Iran is thankfully dead and never coming back again)

      Are you that confident that Biden’s not gonna win?

      1. Even in the highly unlikely event Sleepy Joe does win, I promise that particular policy is still not coming back, no matter how much the Mofo pesters and harasses him about it.

        Of the many stupid things the Mofo did during his eights years, that may have been the stupidest of them all. And Sleepy Joe is nowhere near as radical as his old buddy, even though he may be pretending otherwise for this campaign.

  24. The calorie scolds have joined the plastic-bag police and defunded themselves in favor of draconian mandatory-mask and business-shutdown jackbooters enforcing the mandates of the New Inquisition Party.

  25. apparently Reason decided to embrace the whole ‘on the 7th day’ thing.

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  26. Kavanaugh just nuked the left in ruling against the Soros Open Societies that owed foreign interference in US elections.

    https://gellerreport.com/2020/06/supreme-court-rules-that-foreign-soros-backed-operatives-do-not-have-first-amendment-rights.html/

    1. Just SIX WEEKS ago.

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  27. I think you’ve missed the last few years if you think it’s okay to scold people over their obesity.

    That is fat shaming and it means you are racist

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