Donald Trump

No, Trump Can't Delay the Election

And no, mail-in voting is not more vulnerable to fraud than absentee voting. It's actually the exact same thing.

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Despite what he suggested in a Thursday morning tweet, President Donald Trump does not have the authority to cancel or postpone the 2020 general election. And if the election doesn't take place for some reason, Trump would have to leave office in January.

Let's back up. In case you haven't seen it already, here's the grenade the president tossed into the news cycle this morning (and has now "pinned" to the top of his Twitter profile):

Both sentences of the president's tweet are inaccurate, but let's take the second part first, since that's the bit that threatens to blow a gigantic hole in 230-plus years of American democratic tradition. Election dates are set by the U.S. Constitution, by Congress, and by the states—the president has literally no authority over it.

When it comes to picking the president, there's actually no constitutional requirement for a popular election at all. What the constitution does say is that Congress gets to pick the date by which the states must choose their presidential electors—that is, the 538 members of the electoral college. Under current law, that date is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.

How the states pick those electors is up to each state legislature to decide. "While every state currently chooses its electors through popular election—where votes cast for presidential candidates are counted as votes for the electors pledged to those candidates—a state legislature could decide to select electors itself if it determined elections were infeasible," the Congressional Research Service (CRS) noted in a March report about elections during the COVID-19 pandemic. "Indeed, it was common for legislatures to select electors without popular elections until the mid-1800s."

The CRS reports that some state constitutions allow governors to postpone elections for emergencies, but there is no provision in the U.S. Constitution allowing federal officials to change the date unless Congress changes the law or a constitutional amendment is passed. But that's never happened during wars, pandemics, or other national emergencies—there is no reason to think it should happen this year.

In fact, some Republicans in Congress are already rejecting the idea.

Just for fun, here's what would happen if enough states—presumably red states—were to cancel or postpone the election, and therefore no candidate won an outright majority in the electoral college, according to that same CRS report.

In that case, the election would be decided by the House of Representatives at the start of its next term: January 6, 2021. But the current House term expires on January 3. If, hypothetically, all elections were canceled or postponed and there was no new Congress to meet on January 6, the CRS report says, that doesn't change the fact that the incumbent president's term ends at noon on January 20th.

"There are no provisions of law permitting a President to stay in office after this date, even in the event of a national emergency, short of the ratification of a new constitutional amendment," according to the CRS.

In that absolute worst-case scenario, the presidential order of succession would come into play. There would be no elected vice president, so Mike Pence is out of the running. If there was a functioning House of Representatives, the new Speaker of the House would become president. If that person could not serve, the president pro tempore of the Senate—currently Sen. Chuck Grassley (R–Iowa), though that could change before January—would become the nation's chief executive.

The bottom line: Trump can't cancel or postpone the election, and even if the election doesn't take place for some reason, he can't legally remain in office.

What about the other part of Trump's Thursday morning bombshell tweet? For starters, he suggests that there is some difference between mail-in voting and absentee voting when they are actually the same thing. Some states require that you provide an excuse when you ask for an absentee ballot, but most have now switched to no-excuse absentee balloting—otherwise known generally as "mail-in voting"—in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. Either way, the process for voting is the same: you get a ballot, you fill it out, and you mail it back.

There are also a handful of states that have switched to conducting elections entirely by mail, and none of them have seen increases in voter fraud—something that is incredibly rare no matter how elections are conducted.

Regardless of what you call it or how many people participate, there's little indication that voting by mail is some sort of scheme to defraud Republicans. Colorado is one of the states that recently switched to all-mail balloting, and the system was set up by a then-Secretary of State Wayne Williams—a Republican.

An analysis of voting patterns conducted by the Brennan Center, a legal nonprofit housed at New York University's law school, found that that the people most likely to vote by mail in 2016 were white voters over the age of 65—a key Trump demographic.

It's true that some states are likely to be overwhelmed by the number of absentee ballots cast this year—a month after its primary election, New York is still counting votes cast by mail—but Trump's attempt to delegitimize mail-in voting is likely only hurting him and his party. Indeed, in June, Politico reported that registered Democrats in Florida had requested roughly 300,000 more absentee ballots than registered Republicans—a gap that the state's Democratic Party chairman attributed to Trump's success at tamping down Republican enthusiasm for voting by mail.

The simplest explanation for Trump's bizarre tweet on Thursday morning is that he's a deeply unpopular incumbent—as even he has recently admitted—who trails in the polls and doesn't see an easy way to turn things around. Calling to delay the election, even as he is also insisting that it is safe for schools to open, comes off as hypocritical, weak, and politically self-defeating.

It's always been obvious that Trump didn't care to learn about the actual limits or powers of the office he holds. If he had, he would already know how ridiculous this all sounds. He's making excuses for losing before the game is even over. It's not dictatorial. It's just kind of pathetic.

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  1. ” It’s just kind of pathetic.”

    A nice summary of the Trump Presidency.

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          1. And by lol I mean pathetic.

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          1. A gentleman always knows not to overstay his welcome.

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                2. Tony why do you think we can’t tell James Pollock is you?

                  You’re a moron. It comes across in all of your posts.

                  1. I’m pretty sure I can tell I’m not someone else.

            2. Then why are you still here?

    2. Trump has literally “lost it”! This Republican shakes his head in disbelief. Will I vote for Biden? Hell No! On election day, I will take the day off to view the beautiful fall foliage. America survived Obama. We will survive Biden.

      1. You leftists can keep coming up with new lies, well new versions of the same lie, but you can’t escape your literal tics

        1. Wow! Guy you know nothing about self-identifies as a Republican in his comment, and you know better — he’s a leftist! Because … because you feel he is.

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          2. You can be a leftist/progressive and a Republican.

          3. 1. There are plenty of progressive Rs
            2. Just because he says he’s a R doesn’t mean he isn’t lying. Leftists commonly do. They pose as Rs to show that the leftist position is “objectively true” and eve Rs believe it, but they do so in a common rhetorical style – the “I’m so upset/betrayed by X that totes contradicts my oh so sincere values” in an attempt to manipulate/trick people who genuinely hold those values into doubting who/what actually supports them.
            It’s really transparent

          4. “Guy you know nothing about self-identifies as a Republican in his comment, and you know better — he’s a leftist!”

            Must be one of those leftist Republicans.

      2. The country may survive, but it is very possible it will look nothing like it was, and not necessarily in a good way.

      3. I understand not voting for either Biden or Trump. Check out Jo Jorgensen the Libertarian candidate for President. In my opinion, she is a far better candidate than what either the Democrats or Republicans have offered.

        1. Voting in the USA is a fool’s errand.

          Stay home. Fuck the election.

        2. Jo “we must be actively [marxist/collectivist” Jorgensen!

          1. *”we must be actively [marxist/collectivist]”

      4. “We will survive Biden.”

        IF we survive Trump.

    3. And no, Eric, Trump never suggested in a Thursday morning tweet that he has the authority to cancel or postpone the 2020 general election.

      1. Regardless of whether he explicitly said it or just hinted at it, some of us with Trump Have Been Paying Attention to All the Shit He Has Pulled Syndrome find some comfort in knowing he doesn’t have the power to do it.

        1. What has he pulled?

          Not what has he said stupidly on Twitter mind you, but what has he actually pulled? Because he can’t be a failed president who hasn’t accomplished anything and also be an evil genius mastermind pulling off great feats of fascism at the same time.

          1. He is both a total moron who’s dumber than people like white knight, and a cunning mastermind who’s hidden his crimes so well that 5 years of the most intense investigation into any singular human can’t get something to pin on him

          2. “he can’t be a failed president who hasn’t accomplished anything and also be an evil genius mastermind pulling off great feats of fascism at the same time.”

            He CAN be afailed president who hasn’t accomplished anything because the stuff he DOES try to do tends towards the fascist dictator end of the spectrum. It took three tries to come up with a “Muslim Ban that could get through the courts, and the “kids in cages to keep illegals from wanting to come here” idea didn’t survive light of day, and we’re still waiting for that replacement for Obamacare he was going to sign on day one, and Mexico hasn’t given us any money to build a border wall yet.

            1. And yet in foreign policy less American boys have died on foreign wars..we haven’t overthrown any other countries, NATO welfare queens are actually paying for their defense and we are bringing troops home. And Biden will to the CFR bidding again…oh to settle old grudges with the “czar” and spend money and lives for the middle east…f that…as bad as Trump is his foreign policy is the best since Ike. Now if he just shuts down every federal agency created after 1960 he would hit it out of the park..oh and crush the bolsheviks who are attacking Americans and have been since the 60’s..cultural marxists

              1. You’re pointing out that Trump is less war-mongery than the previous Republican administration. Somebody figured out that this was a short path to unpopularity.

    4. Professor, take a look at Jo Jorgensen.

  2. “since that’s the bit that threatens to blow a gigantic hole in 230-plus years of American democratic tradition. Election dates are set by the U.S. Constitution, by Congress, and by the states—the president has literally no authority over it.’

    Is there a different tweet or statement from Trump I’m missing? Where in the tweet does Trump say or claim he has this authority, let alone wants to exercise it.

    1. It was implied bruh

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      2. It was actually a question. Notice the 3 question marks. Nothing was implied dummy.

        1. He was hoping somebody would respond and tell him how to do it.

          1. At this point in the Presidency even my 7 yr. old knows that Trump doesn’t ask how to do things.

            Once again, the dude’s not playing 12-D chess, he’s just opposed by people who struggle with one-dimensional games.

            1. For his entire life, he’s “problem-solved” by saying what problem he has and asking other people to fix it for him. Having inherited a big pile of money, he’s had a lifetime of being able to hire people to tell him whatever he wanted to hear.

              1. Hey Tony, dumb sock.

              2. “Trump doesn’t listen to the experts!”

                “Trump cannot do anything without listening to the experts!”

                Okay liberals – choose one.

                1. Nothing you just said was related to what James Pollock wrote.

                  1. “For his entire life, he’s “problem-solved” by saying what problem he has and asking other people to fix it for him.”

                    1. “Trump doesn’t listen to the experts!”

                      “Trump cannot do anything without listening to the experts!”

                      Okay liberals – choose one.

                      “For his entire life, he’s ‘problem-solved’ by saying what problem he has and asking other people to fix it for him.”

                      Trump doesn’t listen to experts despite being utterly dependent on other people to accomplish anything.

                2. I’m not a liberal, but how about “Trump can’t get his head out of his own ass”.

                  The man is pathetically stupid. Knee bucklingly so. There is no way he has ever read a book in his life because even one mediocre romance novel would render him less ignorant and stupid than he is.

                  There is no hope. This imbecile, and Deep State Joe the senile asshole. The empire is crumbling.

            2. “At this point in the Presidency even my 7 yr. old knows that Trump doesn’t ask how to do things.”

              Which is why he can’t do anything.

              1. Trump can’t, I mean. I have no knowledge of your 7yo.

        2. “Just asking questions here guys. So anyway, 18% of the population…”

        3. “Will no one one rid me of this troublesome priest?”

          …is also a question.

          1. Which doesn’t imply any action on the speaker’s part

        4. Since there are no elections of any kind run by the federal government, it’s a question for the states.

    2. Trumpsplaining.

      1. That would be Trunp explaining, not someone explaining Trump.

        1. Trump will be Trumpsplaining tomorrow, as he often does after tweeting something and getting a lot of shit for it.

    3. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???

      Obviously those little squiggly exclamation points following his emphatic statement are meant to show that he’s serious about his intent to postpone the election.

      1. First words can be refined at will. Next up? Punctuation.

          1. Just say refined now means redefined.

        1. Punctuation.

          Trump wants to delay the election rather than voting punctuately. We already covered this.

      2. “‘Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???’
        Obviously those little squiggly exclamation points following his emphatic statement are meant to show that he’s serious about his intent to postpone the election.”

        When he says delay the election until people can “properly” vote, he means voting for him. If we go ahead with the election on schedule, too many of us won’t be voting for him.

        He sees that as a problem to be fixed by changing us, not changing him, or his behavior.

    4. It was in the penumbra of emanations.

  3. The Atlantic has an article describing how much of a fiasco NYS primary has been with the massive increase in absentee ballots. The election systems in the states are not set up to deal with these types of increases in absentee ballots. Even if there little intentional fraud, there will be large problems with it, which will be difficult to tell the difference in.

    1. Yeah, that was the same excuse they gave for not letting Blacks or women vote.

      “We can’t do it! It would be a disruption to the system! Why can’t we do it the way God intended?”

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      2. No it wasn’t dumbass.

        1. Brandy seems to consistently have the misconception that everyone else is as racist as he is

          1. Democrats have thought of almost nothing but race for 150 years.

            1. yeah, the Dems were the ones who aligned their party with racists to convert southern fdr democrats after the civil rights act

              1. The Dems continued to control the south for nearly 40 years. And some parts of the south even longer than that.

                1. Yeah, the D’s OWN the south. You can’t turn around without spotting one pulling down a confederate statue.

                  1. They did until the 80s anyway.

      3. It was also the response to integrating the military services. And then again when the decision was made to let the ladyfolk in.

      4. Yeah, that was the same excuse they gave for not letting Blacks or women vote.

        So, if I ask blacks or women how well they feel their vote represents them they’ll say equality has been achieved and there won’t be any discussions about how the system is racist and the patriarchy holds them back?

    2. There have already been PLENTY of documented instances of mail-in voter problems, not all of them related to intentional fraud. There are instances of ballots being mishandled by the post office, ballots being delivered to the wrong address, registered voters not recieving ballots, people ineligible to vote recieving ballots, people recieving more than one ballot, etc. Most of that can probably be attributed to just plain incompetence or old systems with outdated information that aren’t equipped to handle huge increases in mail in voting. It’s not a good idea, and it will result in massive problems all over the country on election day.

      But this story isn’t about that. It’s about shifting the narrative to “fraud,” in order to avoid addressing the myriad potential problems with dramatically increasing the use of mail in voting in election systems that aren’t designed for it, and that already struggle with it.

      1. In one of the recent all mail elections there were dozens of people who never got a ballot but showed up as having voted.

        1. In Oregon, they caught an election worker filling in undervoted ballots with her preferred party, the GOP.

          From which the takeaway is “they caught her”.

          1. And they caught an election official doing the same in Philadelphia for the Dems. And he admitted to doing it for at least 10 years.

            Here in Pittsburgh weve had dozens of reports of people receiving duplicate ballots as well.

            But it’s totally reliable…

        2. When the Ds keep assuring you that they won’t do something, you can pretty damn sure that’s exactly what they intend to do

          1. Is that anything like when they warn that Trump has no intention of respecting the election results if he loses?

            1. Is that anything like when they warn that Trump has no intention of respecting the election results if he loses?

              Exactly like that!

              Dems are letting everyone know that they’re not going to respect the election results when they lose.

              Because–and this is important, they’re currently thinking that, even with the cheating they’re doing, they’re still going to lose.

    3. A researcher did a simple test for USPS where they sent out 2 sets of 100 ballots to various P.O. boxes. First batch had a 3% delivery rate. The second a 10%.

        1. I saw that earlier today. Hard to believe the dems would fight this hard for something that didn’t provide a cheating edge.

      1. All states allow absentee voting by mail. Several states vote only by mail with amazingly low rates of error.

        Amazing how there were very few problems with mail in voting previous to Republicans realizing they are losing the demographics game badly, and need to suppress as much voting as possible.

        1. Is there evidence that minorities are more likely to vote by mail? Or you’re just saying the weighted average moves in the Republicans favor if less voters in aggregate turn out? I’ll admit that I don’t know what the angle is for one party vs the other with mail-ins. Unfortunately, we had mail-in voting in my state this year and it was disastrous.

          1. One party believes that their ideology is so wonderful that they are willing to do anything – by any means necessary – including outright illegal actions, to force that ideology on American society.
            That would be the demoncrap party.
            Using a voting system, that opens up any more possibilities for fraudulent votes to be cast, even if it hasn’t in the past, will be taken advantage of by that party.
            The other party knows this and is against efforts to give the demoncraps an opportunity that they will undoubtedly take advantage of, resulting in a distortion of what the people really want.
            Those are the “angles” of the parties.

        2. Absentee ballots aren’t the same thing as mail-in ballots, strictly speaking. But you already knew that.

        3. “Amazingly low rates of error.” So…..you are all about believing verbatim what the political party in charge is saying about how completely accurate the election was that put them in power?

          So when Chavez won with 97% in a country that cant feed itself, that was believable?
          When deep blue polling places in philly report 100% returns for the D, with not even an error, that believable?

          But, yeah, lets believe the deep blue states that have done mail-in voting are just all peachy, and no, there is no problem or fraud. Dont look behind the curtain, all is well.

          Mail-in voting is unverifiable. Anyone can fill it out, like the grandkids going to their elderly relatives and filling it out for them. Like the urban areas who already run buses pulling people off the street and paying, will likely have zero hesitation about collecting ballots and filling them out for people.

          Mail in reeks of potential fraud. And just like the absurd fights against voter ID, the progs puspose in pushing mail in voting should be highly suspect.

          1. You think there’s fraud in the 100% precincts in Philadelphia… isn’t it weird that not a single voter came forwards to report that their R vote hadn’t been counted? Wait… it’s not weird, a journalist actually investigated that precinct and found there wasn’t a single registered Republican. The GOP really is that unpopular in some places.

            Similarly, your claim about people going round collecting ballots: why don’t we ever hear testimony about people who were asked for their ballot and refused to hand it over? Probably because it doesn’t actually happen much. That’s the thing about voter fraud: the risks of it being detected are quite high relative to the small number of votes you can harvest. I could certainly vote twice by impersonating my neighbor, but there’s maybe a 50% chance that they will try to vote themselves, at which point it will become known that somebody was committing electoral fraud. Sure, it’s unlikely they will figure out it was me, but there would be a big red flag that something was wrong, all for one lousy vote?

    4. ” The election systems in the states are not set up to deal with these types of increases in absentee ballots.”

      Because the Republicans don’t want them to be.

  4. “And, no, mail-in voting is not more vulnerable to fraud then absentee voting. It’s actually the exact same thing.”

    If by mail-in voting you mean no-excuse absentee voting (where you still have to request a ballot) then I would agree the increase in vulnerability is negligible

    However many of the proposals call for universal mail-in voting, IE ballots to be automatically sent to every registered voter whether they request one or not, which undeniably would make ballot harvesting easier, especially if they are all sent the same day

    1. You get your ballot mailed to you automatically. Everyone know it. Want to get $100 to vote a certain way? We can do that now. Want to threaten someone to change their vote, a-la Antifa? We can do that now. Neither of which you can do if you are alone in the voting booth.

      1. There’s also the possibility of the ballots simply being intercepted and filled out by third parties. Many people wouldn’t even notice that their ballots didn’t arrive, and many others would just think the mail was delayed as usual and not follow up until too close to the election to do anything about.

        It would also make Al Franken-style finds of uncounted ballots in random car trunks that much easier.

        1. The only parties capable of orchestrating a big enough fraud to have any effect are, like, the Russian government. Does anyone here care about that, or is it OK when they’re on your team?

          1. The Russian government got Al Franken elected?

            1. Would you care if he was a Republican?

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                1. Ouch! A zero. That seems harsh.

              2. Would you care if he was a Republican?

      2. Nope, they can’t threaten me. I can mail in my ballot, I can hand deliver it to the post office of my choosing, lots of ways to get my vote in.

        There is no credible evidence that any absentee voter has ever been intimidating in the fantastical manner you suggest would be commonplace. You can’t produce any such evidence because there is none.

        1. You could research instances of “helpers” going to nursing homes to collect these votes that happen to all go the direction the helper wanted… but nah.

          1. “You could research instances of “helpers” going to nursing homes to collect these votes that happen to all go the direction the helper wanted… but nah.”

            Something similar happened at a State Prison Psychiatric facility my wife worked at for a couple of years. Many of the inmates were still eligible to vote. The staff member who was in charge of passing out the absentee ballots in the common room would loudly tell the inmates that she couldn’t tell them who to vote for but the Republican’s would cut their funds. Then the inmates filled out the ballots in the common room in front of everyone. Most of the staff chuckled, my wife kept her mouth shut.

          2. You could research instances of “helpers” going to nursing homes to collect these votes that happen to all go the direction the helper wanted… but nah.”

            That would first require that the thing you’re imagining would turn real, and if you could do that , why not use it to manifest a winning lottery ticket instead?

            1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_collection

              Ballot collecting, also called ballot harvesting, is characterized by the gathering and submitting of absentee or mail-in voter ballots by third-party individuals, volunteers or workers, rather than submission by the voters themselves directly to ballot collection sites.[1][2] It occurs in some areas of the U.S. where voting by mail is common, but is illegal in some other states

              Man you look really fucking dumb guy.

              1. “Man you look really fucking dumb guy.”

                But still smarter than you, so I still got that goin’ on.

            2. Just because you’re an ignorant fuck, it doesn’t mean the rest of us are Tony.

          3. Or you could cite some fucking e v i d e n c e .

          4. It’s called “ballot harvesting” and it was done to Orange county, CA – a reliable Republican stronghold – where demoncraps took several House races, after having been on the losing end until absentee ballots were counted.
            “Harvesters” went door-to-door and helped the residents fill out their ballots and “delivered” them, themselves.
            That was for absentee ballots. Imagine what they could do if everyone was in the position of having to mail in their votes.

        2. You can’t imagine that there might be employers who demand that their employees show them their ballot before mailing it in and that they must mail it from the office?

          1. Demand away. Don’t put it in writing though, unless you have a really good lawyer on hand who likes to work for free.

          2. I thought we were into at will employment and private contracts around here? The employee can quit or sue their employer. There, solved.

          3. We can *imagine* lots of problems. You can imagine lots of problems with going to a polling place, too.

        3. Liar. The evidence is extensive, but you choose to ignore it and mouth proggy talking points.
          philly deep blue precincts were caught filling out ballots in a back room last election
          They were caught paying the homeless to vote

          But yeah, just embrace everything that destroys trust in the voting process, and see the eventual outcome of that pathway.

        4. Well, aside from the very reason that we instituted secret ballots, active violence for people who voted a certain way or open bribes. Just look up the Gilded Age New York City. Look up why card check votes for unions are commonly banned.

          I mean, seriously.
          Did you read what you have written?
          Do you think abusive spouses/parents/children don’t exist?
          Do you think bad actors don’t exist?

          1. “Look up why card check votes for unions are commonly banned.”

            And which party consistently pushes to approve card check votes for unions? Yup, you guessed it.

            On the topic of “absentee” and “mail in” are the same thing, I would disagree. They have the same process but one is limited to special circumstances and requires that you request a ballot in the mail, which means that you are expecting to receive it. The other, especially universal mailed ballots, is just asking for problems.

            As to those who argue that fraud is minimal, I’ve noticed that most of the same people won’t investigate or prosecute fraud claims. Easy to claim something doesn’t exist if you refuse to look at it. Dino Rossi won the Washington state governor’s race a few years ago twice. Then the opposition “found” ballots to give his opponent the win, followed up by the Washington Supreme Court ruling that ballots cast fraudulently couldn’t be dealt with since no one knew for whom they had been cast. His opponent won by a couple hundred votes. There were no, to my knowledge, investigations into the fraudulent ballots.

        5. “Nope, they can’t threaten me. ”

          Are you homeless, or just never at home?

      3. “Neither of which you can do if you are alone in the voting booth.”

        Or, more accurately, EITHER of which you can do if you are alone in the voting booth, by reaching you before you get there.

        1. Or asking you to take a photo of your ballot while in the booth. We can come up with hypothetical election tampering scenarios all day.

          1. We can come up with hypothetical election tampering scenarios all day.
            And the demoncraps have used all actual election tampering scenarios, even ones not imagined, for decades.
            It is best to limit the ability to cheat…unless you’re not confident that an honest election will result in your party’s “win”.

            1. There is a case from Oregon, where all elections are conducted by mail-in ballot. They caught an election clerk marking ballots for her candidate on ballots that came in with no selection. This demoncrap was a Republican.

          2. That is the very reason that taking pictures in the voting booth is illegal.
            It’s not hypothetical. It’s known, has happened, and was banned.

    2. “However many of the proposals call for universal mail-in voting”

      As has been used successfully in Oregon for over a decade. Stealing the blank ballots probably is easy, but it doesn’t let you actually successfully cast the ballots.
      In traditional polling-place balloting, you might be able to steal a whole box of blank ballots by stealing them from whoever is delivering them to the polling place, which has the same result… you now have a big pile of blank ballots.
      To beat the system you have to deliver filled-in ballots to the elections office, and get them counted.

      1. As has been used successfully in Oregon for over a decade

        Since the implementation of universal mail in voting, Oregon has been, essentially, a one party state — with a lone Rep congressman in a sea of blue.

        1. “Since the implementation of universal mail in voting, Oregon has been, essentially, a one party state — with a lone Rep congressman in a sea of blue.”

          Before, they had two parties that would nominate viable candidates. But the Oregon Republicans ran out of the kind of candidate who could win statewide elections. They offered up a Senate candidate with a history of stalking, a basketball player who promptly left the state after losing for governor, and the least popular electoral candidate ever. Bill Sizemore ran a business where he would take money from a wealthy out-of-state donor and try to get wacky right-wing ballot measures qualified for the ballot. He got paid, but his ballot measures got less and less popular with the electorate, towards the end, it was possible to campaign against one of them by the simple expedient of tying his name to it. That’s all. the campaign ad said simply “this measure is another of Bill Sizemore’s” and that was enough to get it voted down. Then the Oregon Republicans thought he’d be the ideal guy who end their drought of governorships. He got the loyal party members and nobody else, maybe 1/3 of the total votes cast. It was a downward spiral. they lost a bunch of elections, which made it hard to get good candidates to commit to running under their banner, which led to more losing, which made it harder to get good candidates, and around and around The polarizing extremists started winning primaries, which did them no good at all. I’m old enough to remember a time when Oregon had two R Senators and an R governor. None of whom would have been welcome in the 2005 party for being too liberal.

        2. The last two legislative sessions, the Republican legislators have fled the state.

      2. Oregon probably took the time to actually set up a system over a period of at least a year, if not more. They surely didn’t try to implement something like that in a matter of months with no real debate about the pro’s and con’s of such a system.

  5. It’s amazing how easily Trump gets people to wet their pants. Actually, it’s just kind of pathetic.

    1. It is pathetic that the president is floating an idea that is unconstitutional, illegal, and would do major harm to our democracy, or that people are disturbed by it?

      1. What’s pathetic is people who think everything he posts on Twitter is a serious idea he’s floating.

        That is, when they aren’t yelling about how everything he posts on Twitter is the inane ramblings of an addled mind.

        I’ll eat my hat if Trump is the first president to suggest postponing an election. He’s just the first who doesn’t filter everything through half a dozen spin doctors before speaking to the public

        1. What he said.

        2. But even if he was serious, his statement does nothing to obliterate 230 years of “Democratic tradition.”

          He merely asked the question about delaying the election with all of the potential chaos of a nationwide mail-in ballot scheme that’s foisted upon every city, state and county on such short notice.

          And even if he wasn’t asking a question… even if he said, “I demand we delay the election!”, that wouldn’t be unconstitutional. Presidents demand things all the time– just like Hillary Clinton demanded Palestinian statehood. It would only be unconstitutional if he signed an executive order mandating it.

          1. And there wouldn’t be anything unconstitutional for someone to decide that it makes Trump a poor choice for President.

        3. More Trumpsplaining.

          1. As explained above, it’s Kevinsplaning In defense of Trump.

        4. I’ll eat my hat if Trump is the first president to suggest postponing an election.

          Not good enough. It has to be a MAGA hat made from polyester. No edible hats loophole.

        5. “What’s pathetic is people who think everything he posts on Twitter is a serious idea he’s floating.”

          That would require believing that the man is capable of serious ideas.

        6. “The president is just kIdDiNg gUyZ!”

          DJT: “I don’t kid.”

      2. Calling on Congress to change the election date is unconstitutional, illegal, and would do major harm to our democracy? You’re going to have to put a little bit more into your chain of reasoning.

        1. By the way, I think delaying the election would be unnecessary and a bad idea. But it’s a very long way from “bad idea” to “unconstitutional”.

        2. 1. He did not mention Congress at all in that tweet, strongly implying that he would do it, that is the illegal part,
          2. Even if Congress did change election day, it can not change inauguration day, that is the part where the constitution comes in to play.

          1. “strongly implying” = “illlegal”? Retarded.

            “inauguration day” JFC make sense retard

          2. How’s he going to do it by himself? States run elections. Congress sets the timing.

      3. We are NOT a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. We can have a discussion when you’re better educated in basic facts.

    2. <blockquote<It’s amazing how easily Trump gets people to wet their pants. Actually, it’s just kind of pathetic.

      Lol, what’s pathetic is that you think this is no big deal.

      1. Oops. Messing up the tags is pathetic.

        1. 0/10

      2. asking a question is a big deal?

        1. And you wonder why I’ve called you and others here “Trump apologists”.

          1. So no it isn’t, or else you’d say yes it was.

          2. fine. I will ask you sarcsmic. Asking a question is a big deal?

          3. by the way… it says more about you reading into the tweet and your ignorant bias than it does me taking the tweet at face value.

            You’re a ducking idiot sarcasmic.

            1. I’m not sarcasmic and you are either an apologist for Trump or very naive.

              1. Either? Why not both? The first strongly suggests the second.

        2. “Just asking questions, guys. So, what if I was jsut president for life, lol? Jk jk. Unless…? Jk Jk. …unless?”

          1. Also, wouldn’t it be a lot more efficient if I made all the laws by executive order? Just askin’

          2. “Just asking questions, guys. So, what if I was just president for life, lol?

            …..like Roosevelt?

            LOL

            1. Or McKinley?

    3. I’m glad to see he’s still got it.

    4. Welcome to Obama saluting with a coffee cup in his hand. How our republic survived that I’ll never know.

  6. Let’s back up. In case you haven’t seen it already, here’s the grenade the president tossed into the news cycle this morning (and has now “pinned” to the top of his Twitter profile):

    Oh, and it’s not a ‘grenade’ he tossed into the news cycle. It’s only a ‘grenade’ if you’re a journalist who slavishly follows every rando tweet that Trump shoots out in lieu of his evening Cognac. It’s just some free-flowing shit he’s posting, riffing on the potential chaos of a mass, nationwide mail-in voting regime– which the Trump-hating, establishment press is now itself starting to report on.

    1. The president is floating an idea that is unconstitutional, illegal, and would do major harm to our democracy. That is a lot more then “free-flowing shit he’s posing”.

      1. No, he’s not. Allow me to quote Eric Broheim:

        What the constitution does say is that Congress gets to pick the date by which the states must choose their presidential electors—that is, the 538 members of the electoral college. Under current law, that date is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.

        How the states pick those electors is up to each state legislature to decide.

        If Trump asks the question about delaying the election, what’s unconstitutional about Congress and state legislators considering his request, and picking a new date?

        1. This. Journalists seem to want to take his tweets both literally and also ascribe meaning to them that will make Trump look bad. Every time.

          It’s almost as if they have no critical thinking skills.

          1. Well in this case, they’re clearly ascribing meaning to something he didn’t come close to saying.

            Look, it’s Trump, give him 24 hours and maybe he will say something suggesting unconstitutional action. But this article based on the content of that tweet is another journalistic game of telephone.

            1. Why should anybody be surprised by the stupid shit he says at this point? Yawn

              1. .000000000008/10

        2. This, until he actually signs an EO that does this; its a big nothing burger. God, do I detest Twitter.

          1. You know what’s worse than twitter? The people who follow it.

            1. People will react to what the most powerful man on Earth says. That is not their failing; he has the power to end life on earth. You should all pay attention.

              1. …he has the power to end life on earth.
                Tinfoil hat on a little too tight?

        3. “If Trump asks the question about delaying the election, what’s unconstitutional about Congress and state legislators considering his request, and picking a new date?”

          Nothing. Nor does anyone believe that is likely, or what Donnie the T was talking ’bout.

      2. sometimes you write like you don’t have the arm strength to hold the pearls you clutch.

    2. Yes, it’s free flowing shit. A river a diarrhea. But he’s still the President of the United States, and his pronouncements mean things. That he acts like a child does not negate the fact that he is the chief executive.

      Fortunately, he’s a child and just posturing, and this won’t come to pass. But that does not mean it’s a nothing burger.

      1. .0000000000012/10

      2. Look, I too prefer my presidents to sit quietly in the parlor, smoking a cigar and tippling a glass of whisky– only coming out once a year to say that the Union Stands, Rock Bottomed and copper sheathed. I think it’s fair to criticize trump when he says stuff like, “If you don’t stop ‘x’, I will.”

        That’s saber rattling. it should be reported on. Even this should be reported on, but claiming things his tweet didn’t say isn’t good journalism.

        1. Hell, I’d prefer the President just send a letter to Congress stating how the nation is doing. This Wilsonian nonsense where half chamber stands and claps after every sentence is tedious.

      3. Twats aren’t fucking pronouncements. Loosen your grip on those pearls bro.

    3. Journalists are not supposed to be following tweets made by … the President of the United States?

      1. “slavishly” isn’t just for rhetorical flourish fucktard.

      2. Uh oh, you just asked a question. That is apparently a big deal.

        1. “What if I fuck your wife, Jesse? Jk, unless…whoa whoa, just asking questions here, bud. No reason to get all bothered by it.”

          1. People only resort to personal attacks when they know they’ve lost the argument. Jesse got you, checkmate.

            1. “People only resort to personal attacks when they know they’ve lost the argument. ”

              So why did you proceed from this statement to a personal attack? Did you mean to concede?

        2. There’s a difference between li’l ol’ me “just asking a question” and the President of the United States “just asking a question”.

          You are disingenuous as hell.

          1. And he wasn’t just asking a question, anyway.

            Once again here to prove the Trump apologists wrong, is Trump. Big hand of applause, please.

            https://youtu.be/2ZxpbXyhRNo?t=1895

            1. Those squiggly lines, with a period at the bottom – THREE OF THEM – are an indicator to sane, literate people that a question was being asked.
              Sorry you don’t fit into that demographic, along with all the other TDS sufferers.

              1. “Those squiggly lines, with a period at the bottom – THREE OF THEM – are an indicator to sane, literate people that a question was being asked.”

                And the answer to the question was “No, Don, you can’t cancel or postpone the election and then just stay President”

    4. It’s cute that Boehm fails to mention how in the press conference trump had after these tweets he cited a Washington post article outlining the issues with mail in ballots.

      But god forbid some libtard journo or douchey hack like Boehm has to quote a liberal source that agrees with the president.

  7. Trump wins again.

    I love the way he plays the media.
    Each and every time he yanks their chain, they gleefully line up to prove to the American citizens how much they have become lying propagandists.

    1. Sure, he’s playing the media, but he’s doing it by doubling down on how much of a narcisistic egomanic he is with every tweet.

      Neither he nor the media is winning.

      1. .00000000000000000129/10

          1. .00000000000001/10

          2. Yeah, this is the most spammy and lame troll account. It’s not funny, witty, informative, or entertaining in any way. So it’s probably Tulpa. Time to start reporting it as spam.

            1. .0000000000001/10

            2. wouldn’t be the first person you tried to get removed from comments.

              Think you need a smaller bubble.

              1. Says the guy who posts PJmedia and breitbart all day.

    2. You must be exhausted from all that “winning”?

    3. No way. The left has been screeching he’s going to try to pull shit, and even if this is just trolling, it’s something his opponents will rally their base around. This was a major mis-play on his part.

      It’s why social media is a firestorm.

      1. I meant to say, why social media is a shitstorm. People shouldn’t be eager to share their uncensored thoughts with a wide audience.

        1. Your entire post is fucking retarded. If it wasn’t THIS it would be something else because the reason for the chicken-litttling by leftists is wholly irrrelevant

      2. “It’s why social media is a firestorm”

        lol retarded

        1. Alas, your rebuttal is so incisive that I am cut to the bone.

          1. You’re a retard, you got what you can understand.

      3. “No way. The left has been screeching he’s going to try to pull shit”

        Meh, They did a bit of screeching about W being ready to pull shit.
        Then they got it back with a whole bunch of Obama the dictator bullshit on his way out.

        Of course, neither W nor Obama actually floated the idea of cancelling elections.

        1. He didn’t either. Technically.

      4. No way. The left has been screeching he’s going to try to pull shit, and even if this is just trolling, it’s something his opponents will rally their base around. This was a major mis-play on his part.

        Sure, the same way it failed him in 2016.

    4. Maybe it’s just me, but I fail to see the angle he’s playing here if he is indeed trolling. How does trolling autocratic ideas make him appeal more to independent voters in swing states?

      I think he’s less serious about moving the election day and more serious about setting up the notion that if he loses the election might be illegitimate due to mail-in voting fraud. He’s setting up his own election tampering conspiracy theory. Oh boy… here we go again.

      1. He’s toying with the notion that the coronavirus is so dangerous that we need to disrupt normal routines (like elections) as a precaution. Ideally, the left will take the bait and suddenly coronavirus won’t seem so dangerous anymore.

        1. Why wouldn’t they just say that we need mail-in ballots, which is their current position? He would be better off by offering concrete evidence that mail-in ballots lead to fraud. Again, he’s not convincing swing voters by simply yelling it.

          1. They are saying that. And as you can see in the comments, even leftist outlets have to admit that it doesn’t work well. He’s counting on the fact that the more people hear about it, the less they’ll like it so he’s moving the spotlight away from whatever it was on before to what he wants people to talk about now.

            Sort of like with the “peaceful protests”. He sends in some cops to crack some skulls and for a week he’s literally Hitler, but then the next week they’re calling for a “cease fire” and retroactively labeling all those peaceful protesters as violent white supremacists.

          2. Leo, no reasonable person could ever mistake you for someone who had insight into the general “swing voter”

          3. ” He would be better off by offering concrete evidence that mail-in ballots lead to fraud.”

            The thing is, all mail elections have been a thing in Oregon for over a decade. And in all those elections, the one person caught tampering with ballots was…a Republican.

            When he says an all-mail election will lead to massive fraud, that’s not a warning, it’s a promise.

            1. Lol you think your guys not catching themselves is proof if something other than you being a retard?

              lololol

              1. You ever notice how many corruption issues where just republicans get caught, then insinuate that everyone else must be doing it too?

                I notice.

                1. Similar to how Roger Stone was treated, versus virtually every member of 0blama’s national security apparatus, when they all lied to Congress?
                  Republicans get “caught” while the ones that do it, consistently, are ignored.
                  It all depends on who gets looked at and who a blind eye is turned towards.

        2. “He’s toying with the notion that the coronavirus is so dangerous that we need to disrupt normal routines (like elections) as a precaution. Ideally, the left will take the bait and suddenly coronavirus won’t seem so dangerous anymore.”

          Except to Mr. Cain’s family.

          1. 74 year old stage 4 cancer survivor succumbs to illness isnt the news you think it is to his family dummy.

            1. 74 year old guy who talked shit about wearing masks goes to an ill advised rally in which Trump made people sign a waiver for this exact outcome, hilarious. And you all still learn no lesson from his misfortune.

      2. Every single time Trump posts an “insane tweet”, the lefts turns the dial to 11, and forces the nation to discuss the topic that Trump chose.

        So, today, the nation is now talking about election integrity, mail-in ballots, etc. Many on the left are now saying “can’t delay EVER” which forces them now to fully embrace whatever ‘risk’ is entailed with, say, in-person voting.

        Trump lost nothing. He was already being accused of using “portland as practice” for martial law and staying in office. He gained a shift of the Overton Winddow.

        Every single time he posts an ‘insane tweet’, the national conversation shifts in the direction he wants. Every. Single. Time.

        but yet know one learns. or even bothers to read his book that spells this exact thing out.

        1. As soon as I saw this tweet this morning, I instantly giggled, knowing the hysterical shit-flinging that was about to happen in the media. He does this EVERY TIME. He tweets something absurd and sets the media’s agenda for them.

          It’s exactly what they’re doing to the retard antifas in Portland. Sure, the feds probably stirred the pot there, but they did it on purpose in order to get the rioters to mass on the courthouse. It drove them exactly where the feds wanted them, AND put the democrat governors in the position of supporting rioters burning federal courthouses.

          1. Yet not a single point of uptick in his poll numbers.

            1. More proof of the giant conspiracy against him.

              1. 0/10

            2. Yet not a single point of uptick in his poll numbers.

              After a tie in the electoral college and a tie in the popular vote the decision then falls to most favorable poll numbers, right? And since he’s the incumbent and it’s home court rules if the polls are a tie, he wins. Game. Set. Bingo!

            3. “polls”. Thats so 1988

      3. The Democrats have been squawking for some time about Trump planning to steal the election, this is just a modest proposal to meet them halfway – let’s postpone the election until such a time as you’re confident that I’m not going to steal the election. It’s just Trump calling their bluff about their “concerns” that there might be some funny business going on. (Given the amount of projection from the Left, their sudden concern about the election being rigged is a dead give-away that they’re rigging the election, by the way. I just hope they believe their own bullshit about Biden leading in the polls so they won’t realize the staggering amount of fraud they’d have to perpetrate to overcome Trump’s lead at this point.)

        1. So if Biden wins by roughly what the polls say he’s going to win by, that’s even more evidence that he cheated, right?

        2. ” this is just a modest proposal to meet them halfway – let’s postpone the election until such a time as you’re confident that I’m not going to steal the election.”

          Postpone the election until the Trump funeral? Yeah, he’d like that, and think it qualified as meeting his critics halfway.

      4. Something else must have happened around the time of the tweet. Look around the interwebs for more news.

    5. You people would be rending your shit-stained undergarments if Obama said anything like this.

      You can always tell when Trump did something terrible and stupid because his butt boy brigade will be there saying it was an epic troll.

      1. .000000000000117/10

      2. Tony, do you ever feel like you are just picking on retarded children?

        1. We really don’t want to hear anymore about your sex life or Tony’s.

        2. I’m just here to practice my insults.

        3. Chipper, do you ever feel like agreeing with a retarded comment, like Tony’s, makes you a retard?

        4. Chipper Morning Wood Brags To Croneis About Bullying Retarded Children.

          Tony Pouts About His General Inability To Best Retarded Children.

          1. That cognitive test score though!

            I mean, sure, it was pass/fail. But the doctor complimented his identification of an elephant!

      3. True, i think, but needlessly abrasive. you do not comment from any spirit of joy, kindness, love or even tolerance. [and yes, i have seen the same approach from just about everyone here – i don’t think you are historically obligated to here] .
        Do you [and\or anyone else here] ever take stock and wonder if it is the best of themselves they have on display here? … not that every comment has that riding on the line – i don’t want to come off too sanctimonious [i know.. too late!]
        i think this site has some of the best comments to be found on the internet – for analysis they are better than the articles in many cases,
        -for humor – occasionally
        -for viciousness – the feuds here have a personality all their own though they can get tiresome!
        When i go to the comment sections on any other site i quickly despair of getting anywhere near the caliber of back and forth over real ideas that i get here. it just isn’t worth it. There is nothing to learn from people just throwing talking points and insults back and forth. Lurking at this site has made me realize that a proper comment section is indispensable for any news or opinion site as you get to be persuaded back and forth AFTER you think you know what you know from reading the article.
        So there.. take that and another 5$ and buy yourself a coffee.

        1. .000000000125/10

        2. I often reread my posts and cringe at how unpleasant I was being. I genuinely like this comments board compared to the rest of the rightwing internet too. At least you can say your piece and not be utterly swamped by evil, ugly crap like on any other rightwing site. I suppose that’s what I get defensive about, and am usually most unpleasant when people are threatening to turn this forum into just another lame den of rightwing sociopaths.

          1. would be better if you cringed at how ignorant you were being instead.

            1. One day I may be educated enough to realize that the key to wisdom is listening to what Laura Ingraham screeches every day and simply repeating the screeches verbatim on the internet. Some day, if you’ll help me.

              1. 0/10

            2. “would be better if you cringed at how ignorant you were being instead.”

              Are you even capable of self-awareness?

              1. Are you, Tony?

                Because if you were you would understand we know it’s you Tony.

                1. “Are you, Tony?”

                  Nope. You?

              2. Wow. Hitting hard with the i know you are but what am I retorts. Good work Tony. Amazing intellect there.

    6. “Trump wins again.”

      Tell him that, he’s desperate to hear it, since nobody showed up at his last rally.

  8. How do you guys not see this is a massive troll job? Trump is getting people to defend having a normal election, just like he wants.

    1. Pretty weak troll job, his opponents are still going to push for the sending of ballots to all registered voters. He isn’t backing them into taking a position opposed to that. Meanwhile anyone who doesn’t read the tweet and pickup on the ?, may come to the conclusion that Trump is trying to cancel the election and install himself as dictator (with a little help from the media).

      1. What would be better is to tweet something like; Out of concern for postal workers’ health and safety due to the pandemic, we will not be able to have automatic ballots mailed out to all registered voters. Please think of our noble front line public servants!

      2. So the argument today is the same one the media was making yesterday.

        1. Pretty much.

    2. 4-D chess!

    3. “How do you guys not see this is a massive troll job? Trump is getting people to defend having a normal election, just like he wants.”

      Because they’re the ones getting trolled, and their egos are way too fragile to admit it

      1. Because the mere fact that the President of the United States is a Twitter troll makes him unworthy of being our chief executive.

        1. I can think of few people more unworthy of judging than you, white knight

          1. You’d be one of them.

    4. He did the exact same thing in 2016 and it paid off on multiple fronts. It arguably locked in the Russiagate narrative because HRC had to concede shortly after the election that the results were legit to avoid seeming like the election was rigged.

      As Tony points out above, one narrative is that he wants legit elections, the other narrative is that he’s establishing his imperial Presidency and his poll numbers didn’t move.

      1. “, one narrative is that he wants legit elections”

        Another narrative is that if the election results that show that America is done with him, that’s totally not legit, dude.

  9. Crazy fringe beliefs are… oh shit.

    This is NPR. En, pee, fucking are.

    A new NPR analysis has found that at least 65,000 mail-in ballots have been rejected during primaries held so far this year, because they arrived too late — often through no fault of the voter.

    I’m going to assume that for argument’s sake, NPR is 100% correct in its analysis. If this is the kind of situation we’re seeing in the primary, is it safe to say that if we rush into a nationwide general election mail-in ballot scheme, that we could see a large number of ballots rejected…. through no fault of the voter? I know this is considered some kind of conspiracy theory that only manifests itself in the Fever Dreams of Trump Supporters, but it doesn’t seem Kooky Krazy Pantz to merely muse out loud (even if clumsily worded as Trump’s twitter account demonstrates) that we might want to say “Hang on a minute, maybe we should think about this” before we run down the mass-mail-in-ballot trail with our pants still down around our cankles?

    1. You can avoid this problem (and save the price of a stamp) by delivering your ballot yourself to your county elections office. Or don’t wait to the last minute to mail it.

      1. I think our resident Democrat(s) have said in comment threads-past that minorities aren’t capable of navigating public life, and therefore are more susceptible to these errors of procedure, therefore this would be a clear cut case of racist disenfranchisement.

        1. Take it up with them, then.

          1. Take it up with them, then.

            So we’re clear then? I’m with where I think Paul is going on this. I don’t buy the false narrative that minorities can’t handle bureaucracy as well as the rest of us. I don’t really care if it’s an issue for them or not. They go to the same polling place I do, I’ve seen it. I’m more interested in the proposition that, If minorities are massively underrepresented for Biden in the fall and he loses, you’ll just say, “It’s the Democrats’ own damned fault!” and that’ll be the end of it?

            1. ” I don’t buy the false narrative that minorities can’t handle bureaucracy as well as the rest of us”

              How about the true narrative that Republicans are and have been trying to systematically disenfranchise them?

  10. someone missed the whole chicken livers trolling thing on the other thread.

    1. He started writing this the moment that tweet hit.

      Boehm is shallow water. He’s what you catch to use as bait for thie bigger fish later.

  11. Four years later, and some people still take Trump’s tweets more seriously than he does.

    1. I still don’t see anything actionable in the tweet. He’s suggesting, asking actually (if I take his tweet literally) if the election should be delayed due to the potential fraud and chaos of mass-mail-in voting which we’ve never tried before.

      Hillary Clinton demands Palestinian Statehood… AND SHE HOLDS NO PUBLIC OFFICE SO SHE MUST BE PLANNING TO DO IT HER BYSELF!

      1. She is going to play the 10 hour audio of her laughing over the loudspeaker of a Jerusalem mosque until her demand is met

        1. If that wouldn’t be enough to send the Jews wandering into the desert for 40 years, I don’t know what is.

        2. Dammit. You just ruined the season finale of the new alt universe fan fiction show Hulu is producing about her.

      2. “Hillary Clinton demands Palestinian Statehood… AND SHE HOLDS NO PUBLIC OFFICE SO SHE MUST BE PLANNING TO DO IT HER BYSELF!”

        I wasn’t aware that someone had to hold public office to make demands.

    2. Trump is a clown but that’s partly the point. He’s conditioning you to accept the absurd and you are a well trained dog.

      1. .000000000078/10

      2. Did you watch the Barr hearing? Democrats have that covered already.

        1. And, therefore, it’s OK if Trump is a Twitter troll and chief executive of our nation?

          1. Are you implying that neither is okay?

            1. If not, I’ll say it out loud. No matter how badly you want the darn libs trolled, being a troll is not a qualification to be President. It’s an important job and shouldn’t be held by someone determined to wing it.

        2. Do you think Straze hears dog whistles?

    3. Kind of like how his voters took him seriously about the wall, and winning, and MAGA, and draining the swamp, and the stupid trade deficit?

      1. .000000000000018/10

      2. More like the way his voters believed that on Day One, he’d sign the bill repealing and replacing ACA.

    4. Remember when Obama said 57 states and that one misspeak was proof of his mental deficiencies for years and years after? You people. You are fucking terrible people.

      1. 0/10

      2. “Remember when Obama said 57 states and that one misspeak was proof of his mental deficiencies for years and years after.”

        Yeah, no. that didn’t happen. Obama saying “57 states” was only ever brought up as a fair counter argument when every single thing a Republican says is held as the proof positive of their character.
        Obama, and now Biden, could riff nonsense endlessly and it will be “he just misspoke”, “he’s busy”, “he has a lot of responsibility”, “RACIST!”.

        1. How’s that superiority of character working out for you now?

          1. 0/10

          2. So a prediction is a fact AND a lie now?

            Your crack habit is showing.

            1. “Your crack habit is showing.”

              Because you say a prediction is a fact and a lie?

      3. Tony Drudges Up Gaffe From Obamas History To Assuage Personal Racist Insecurities

      4. I remember making fun of him about it. Never said that disqualified him from office.

        I remember you getting all butt hurt because we dared to make fun of his gaffes. Kinda like you’re all butt hurt that we don’t take Trump too seriously either.

        1. “I remember you getting all butt hurt because we dared to make fun of his gaffes.”

          He didn’t have nearly as many as W, AND he could drink a glass of water with only one hand. And he didn’t have to explain why walking down an inclined ramp gave him trouble, either.

    5. I don’t think it matters whether Trump was serious or not. I would prefer Trump over Biden, and so I am interested in whether or not the tweet increases his chances of losing.

      In a week after he already took heat about accepting the results of the election, to tweet out the suggestion of delaying elections- even asked as an ‘innocent’ question- was harmful to his chances in my opinion.

      Look, I hope I’m wrong, but the US has a long, proud history of having its presidential elections on time- even during the Civil War. Suggesting that we postpone it is just all together bizarre, and gives so much ammunition to the media when trying to sway independents.

      1. Agreed.Trump doesn’t do himself any favors with low info voters..who will decide this election…by giving the media endless opportunities to claim Trump wants to take away the election. These voters will only hear the endless bombardment, not parse his real tweet and mull over the question marks or wonder what multidimensional chess game Trump is playing.

        1. “Trump doesn’t do himself any favors with low info voters..who will decide this election…by giving the media endless opportunities to claim Trump wants to take away the election. These voters will only hear the endless bombardment, not parse his real tweet”

          You don’t get it. He’s playing pi-dimensional chess by getting the suggestion that there’s a conspiracy against him. The media’s against him because he’s a Republican, and the “deep state” is against him because he’s a Republican, and nobody’s against him because he’s a corrupt, inept buffoon. Americans love an underdog, so he’s working really hard to become one.

      2. There is a whole movement of democrats turning on the media over shit like this. The over outrage of misreading or straight lying of what trump says. Tim Pool is covering the walk away movement quite a bit.

  12. I served on a small borough council in NJ for more than 15 years and every election cycle we have piles of undelivered mail-in voting ballots. Dead people, relatives of residents, etc. And… that was only the mail that was rejected or brought in by residents. May be a small enough percentage to not make a difference, but there is the potential for fraud.

    1. People have to think that sending in one or two extra votes fraudulently will have an effect on the election and that the risk of being caught in a felony is worth it. It simply does not happen.

      There are actual threats to elections in this country. Actual threats that have worked to suppress and change the vote. But because those benefit Republicans, nobody here cares, and I wish people would stop pretending something else besides partisanship is going on.

      1. I wish people would stop pretending something else besides partisanship is going on.

        I can’t speak for anyone else but I am well aware that when it comes to you and your opinions there is nothing but partisanship going on.

        1. I never lie in service of my partisanship. I am partisan precisely because choosing the other team requires constant lying and other terrible ideas.

          1. Which is of course exactly what a person who admitted he was a lying partisan would say to justify their lying partisanship.

            1. In fairness to our Republican brethren, most of them believe the lies they regurgitate, but I thought I’d be generous.

              1. And now you’ve decided it is ok to pretend something other than partisanship is going on.

                1. My only objection is to the lies.

                  I’d respect them more if they said they want to suppress the black vote because it helps their team win. At least it would be the truth.

                  1. My only objection is to the lies

                    Which is of course a lie

                    I wish people would stop pretending something else besides partisanship is going on.

                    It’s not your only objection, it’s the one you chose after you lied.

                    1. Okay, as I’ve been consistently a pro-partisan for many years in opposition to all the faux “I’m above it all”ism that used to be prevalent in these parts, I hope you will point out where I objected to partisanship so I can apologize for the mistake.

                    2. I think I’ll keep pointing out that you’re a liar instead, K?

                    3. chipper is on your side all day and then you attack him Tony. No morals.

                  2. “My only objection is to the lies. ”

                    But also the corrupt self-dealing.

                    And the stupidity, so much of that. No thank you.

                    If joining a party means having to overlook the corruption and stupidity of “my” guys, I’m not signing up.

                    1. I was an elected Republican precinct committee officer. That was the begining of the end of my GOP membership. All the dummies, all the racists who think they can talk freely in like company, all the religious nuts. They made me wonder what camp I was in, exactly? Then they nominated Trump after he begged Russia for assistance, I knew I was done with the GOP forever.

                      There is no shred of american patriotism in the GOP. There isn’t. They have chosen to cover up corruption, disable the IG system, hide and pass laws that aid in hiding foreign campaign contributions, deride honorable men and combat veterans who have proven their patriotism with risking their lives, protest more about being told a piece of cloth over their mouth than when police kill innocent people, and finally make excuses for a wannabe dictator playing very hard and loose with our constitution. All that for a fucking conman. It’s pathetic.

                    2. “All that for a fucking conman. It’s pathetic.”

                      But he’s THEIR pathetic conman. And he nominates the judges they tell him to.

          2. You’re a complete lunatic if you think your leftist brethren are truthful and it is the other side that does all the lying.
            Leftism is nothing but lies, especially the lie that you are doing what you are for “the good of the country” when it is solely for the power to lord over everyone and impose such great ideas that people have to be forced to accept them.
            Leftism is is an anathema to freedom and liberty.
            You belong to the party of lies, doing the bidding of the father of lies.

            1. “Leftism is is an anathema to freedom and liberty.”

              So, of course, is rightism.

              “You belong to the party of lies, doing the bidding of the father of lies.”

              You are, of course, referring to Herr Trump?

      2. “It simply does not happen.”

        Yeah, no, you are full of crap.

        My elderly father has gone to in-person voting last 2 presidential elections, and has found that someone else already voted in his name.
        I’ve heard quite of few similar first-person accounts just in my small circle of people I know.
        That alone says its far more prevalent that the evil lefties like yourself claim to avoid such a stupidly simple and fair requirement such as ID when voting.

        1. Before I get into the difference between random internet anecdotes and evidence… If you weren’t aware that If laws and other voter suppression efforts have one purpose and one purpose only, just ask a Republican. They’ll outright tell you these days.

          1. 0/10

            1. The East German judge is very tough to please.

              1. Of course they’d claim that once they got caught.

                What I don’t understand is how anyone is stupid enough to believe them.

              2. Yes. They caught all 100% of the fraud.

                My God you say stupid things. 20% of the ballots rejected dummy.

                1. You act like Washington and Oregon state don’t exist. Those are actual examples of the exact thing we are talking about. Your examples are one-offs that require a “Jump to Conclusions” mat to make a point.

                  Jesse, the facts are not on your side, once again.

                  1. Election fraud sometimes occurs, maybe we should stop having elections???

        2. there are also cases where people mail in the absentee ballot, then show up to vote in person because they forgot they already voted, then yell “voter suppression” when they have to cast a provisional ballot.

        3. “My elderly father has gone to in-person voting last 2 presidential elections, and has found that someone else already voted in his name.”

          Are you 100% sure the person who already voted in his name isn’t him?
          Because I’m not.

          Voter ID isn’t needed as much as solid registration.

      3. New Jersey happened this year fucktard.

        1. How much money do you propose government spend on fixing the problem?

          1. You mean the one you just spent hours denying the existence of?

            Get your lies straight.

            1. I’m just wondering what you think the solution is to this alleged problem, or if you’re just interested in being a loyal cog in the Republican propaganda machine.

              1. I’m just wondering

                You have a habit of lying by saying you’re “just” doing something when you aren’t

        2. New Jersey happens every year. genius. Thankfully we still have 49 other states.

          1. Oh. Fraud is fine if it only happens in 1 state.

            What a stupid premise Tony.

            Likewise fraud is only found when it is oozed for. There is a reason idiot’s as yourself point to convictions instead of instances. Every state has stories of dead people voting.

            Why is ignorance so fucking prevalant on the left?

            1. “Why is ignorance so fucking prevalant on the left?”

              Because you are a leftist?

  13. Here’s an article from EN PEE ARE from 2018 (ancient of history in the modern news cycle) explaining how elections officials are having increasing trouble verifying signatures. You know why? Because of fucking millennials:

    But signatures change over time — a problem especially for younger voters, says Daniel Smith, a professor and chair of the political science department at the University of Florida.

    “Let’s say you’re a civically engaged 16-year-old and you preregister to vote in Florida, which you are allowed to do,” Smith tells NPR. “You might have a signature that has a nice heart over the ‘i’ in your name as a 16-year-old, but you come to the University of Florida, you become a sophisticated Gator, and your signature now looks very different.”

    1. Part of the reason I mention the ‘signature’ problem, wise cracks about millennials (and zoomers) aside, is that if a signature doesn’t match, is that considered fraud? I would argue it definitely constitutes potential fraud and should be cause for further investigation.

      The League of Women Voters of New Jersey and NAACP New Jersey State Conference, plaintiffs in the suit, amended their action last week to include as a plaintiff Shamisa Zvoma, a Montclair woman who court papers say is “outraged and disheartened” after learning her ballot in last month’s tight municipal race was rejected because of an alleged signature mismatch.

      Maybe stop using hearts on your ‘i’s, babydoll.

      1. The thing is, all the parties are allowed to send observers to the county election offices to watch the votes being processed and counted. So there’s several sets of eyeballs watching for any shenanigans, and most of them are on the alert for an attempt to help any particular candidate.

      2. There’s also maturing of a signature over time. I never used hearts, but my high school DL signature looks nothing like my post college or current signature. I spent 4 years mastering the loops of my current signature, where the previous one was straight up, grade school penmanship.

        1. So make sure the signature the elections office has for you matches the way you sign things, perhaps?

    2. I thought millennials didn’t do cursive anymore.

      1. They don’t. Zoomers definitely don’t. My daughter was never taught cursive.

        1. You guys know the older millennials are pushing 40 and were definitely taught cursive right?

    3. Amusingly, my signature changed a whole hell of a lot after I suddenly had to physically sign off on dozens of documents every day. It went from legible to a squiggle so gradually I didn’t even notice.

    4. Cursive signatures are an odd aspect of our society.

      Back when they thought cursive in school, the supposed goal was to write your letters exactly like the canonical letters they give you.

      Then it turns out the main thing you use cursive for is your signature, where it is desirable for your cursive writing to not match the canonical letter forms they gave you in school. Signatures literally count on people not doing well at cursive writing.

  14. The problems with mass mail-in voting is you’re depending upon the postal service to do its job well.

    That’s never a sure thing.

    1. My mom voted in the Republican primary using an absentee ballot. The ballots are tricky. You have to be able to read paragraphs of fine print, determine and write in your precinct which is very specific and strangely named and then sign and initial in the right places. She could barely fucking do it. I had to go over it for her.

      1. So you got your extra chromosome from your mom?

      2. I’ve voted absentee. None of that is true.

        1. You voted absentee for somebody’s mother?

          1. Move along, fish.

            1. “Move along, fish.”

              so you can vote absentee for me?

      3. So much for secret ballots.

    2. “The problems with mass mail-in voting is you’re depending upon the postal service to do its job well.”

      Maybe stop complaining about how it is run when they say they need more money to operate effectively.

      “No, I don’t want to pay more because the whole place is run like literally everybody is overworked and underpaid!”

    3. Maybe Trump could do something about his deep concern about mail-in voting problems by making sure the Post Office is funded.

      1. Hahahahahahahahaha

        “But I’m a LiBeRtArIaN!!!!!!”

      2. Trump’s concern about mail-in voting problems, well the main problem will be that most Americans aren’t voting for him. That isn’t going to change and there’s nothing that will make him OK with it.

  15. Did the author even read the tweet he quoted? Trump didn’t say he’d delay the election, or that he had the authority. It even ends in a question mark, in other words raising the question of whether those in power (Congress) should take some action.

    1. Scholars of the future can study and debate the meaning of this particular tweet someday at the Trump Presidential Library and Casino in Palm Beach.

      1. Finally, a presidential library I’d want to go to!

        1. Lol, you would want to go to a place to read a printout of tweets, rather than just read the tweets on your computer screen?

          1. They have monitors and computers in libraries now gramps.

          2. It was probably the casino part. Jesus Christ Chipper…

        2. the Reagan library is pretty cool, especially the larger than life Rogues Gallery of bad guys.

          1. Remember when the Russians were the bad guys for Republicans? Now they’re just misunderstood.

      2. “Scholars of the future can study and debate the meaning of this particular tweet someday at the Trump Presidential Library and Casino in Palm Beach.”

        It’ll be underwater.
        Both financially AND literally.

      3. WHICH Trump Presidential Library?

        Real (45-49)
        Junior (50- 56)
        Ivanka (57-90 –the singularity wasn’t as good to her as to others, she had to work)
        Barron (91-99)
        Real (100)

        Perhaps you meant the Trump Dynastic Hall and Casino on Trumphattan? Or maybe the Trumpland National Memorial Park and Shooting Range (with live leftist targets!) in Oregon?

        1. The 3000 Trump campaign is gonna be so much fun

          1. We all love our cyberTrumpian overlords.

  16. Keep grubby Democrat paws at a safe social distance from my ballot and I’ll feel just fine about voting on the regular election day

  17. This is a question.

    He asked a question.

    The states have, this election cycle, been shutting down and rescheduling elections at whim, for ‘safety’.

    Why is it a ‘grenade’ if Trump asks if something like that might not be a good idea until we can get a safe system that is not tainted by the cheating the Democrats are already doing?

    1. He’s just JAQing off kinda like I’m just JAQing off when I’m asking about why don’t we expropriate the property of rich leeches that don’t do squat and give the money to poor people for their health care? Don’t judge me… it’s just a question.

      1. .00000000000000328/10

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      2. Pay your mortgage. With your money, not the “rich leeches”.

      3. In worker’s paradise, jacking off is strictly forbidden. All reproductive juices must be harvested by grand committee certified technicians so that grand committee approved scientists can produce all embryos in test tubes to have ideal qualities suited to make obedient workers in worker’s paradise. Pleasure in all forms is false consciousness conspiracy concocted by capitalist pigs.

    2. He also made a fact claim: that mail-in voting WILL make this the most fraudulent election ever. Not a question. Also not a fact.

      1. So a prediction is a fact in your world?

        That explains your previous scientific illiteracy.

        1. Guess you don’t care when the president lies to you in order to undermine faith in democracy. Are you always such a cheap date?

          1. 0/10

        2. So a prediction is a fact in your world?

          That explains your previous scientific illiteracy.

          Delay future scientific discussions until we know whether it explains his future scientific illiteracy???

      2. That’s a prediction. Predictions are important. Failed predictions are also important. I’d link to 10,000 failed global warming predictions buuuuuut moderation hell.

        1. “That’s a prediction. Predictions are important. ”

          that’s not a prediction. It’s a promise. Trump is promising to give us the most corrupt election ever.

      3. “He also made a fact claim: that mail-in voting WILL make this the most fraudulent election ever. Not a question. Also not a fact.”

        That’s a promise he’s making.

        1. That’s a promise he’s making.

          And? Delay the election or continue as planned?

          1. “And? Delay the election or continue as planned?”

            And we should interrupt his plans to deliver the most election fraud ever.

      4. He also made a fact claim: that mail-in voting WILL make this the most fraudulent election ever.

        Because it has ALREADY– with all the issues in the primaries.

  18. If the “red states” sit it out then the “blue states” would carry on and send it’s elected officials to Congress. Kinda like what happened in 1861?

    1. Except the other way ’round this time.

  19. God, I can’t wait until the Election of 2024 when American socialists like me get to contest the election over undue corporate interference. We’ll be able to keep the dictatorship of the proletariat going for decades!

    1. .0000000000000000415/10

      1. Awww… it’s going to be so cute watching you GOP losers cry.

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        2. The Judge upset you shit eater?

          1. .0000000067/10

        3. sarcasmic is shocking again.

          Now we have to hear he was hacked again.

    2. If assholes like you get into power, there won’t be any more elections.

    3. In worker’s paradise, true democracy will be realized when only loyal worker’s party members are given votes. Massive unpopularity from general populous of worker’s paradise is only stumbling block to achieving glorious democratic worker’s paradise.

      1. Get out your dictionary. Look up “populous”. The word you wanted was “populace”.
        In worker’s paradise, you won’t need proofreader to fix your propaganda.

        1. In worker’s paradise, subordinates who fabricate lies about mistakes being made by Ministry of Honest & Accurate Information are sent to work camps. If The Committee says the correct word is populous, than that is the correct word.

    4. Facebook didn’t put enough disclaimers on the President’s tweets, so they’re responsible for undermining our democracy if he is reelected.

  20. Hmm, so Dear Leader wants to be an El Jefe too— kind of like an orange Fidel Castro. I wonder what the block captain of the local GOP study group in San Francisco thinks. Sevo, can you comment, buddy?

    1. .0000000000005/10

    2. Worker’s paradise’s most loyal mouthpiece AmSoc is now deeply conflicted about his hatred of Dear Leader now that he is able to draw direct comparisons to one of the greatest glorious worker’s paradise leaders. Unfortunately, in glorious worker’s paradise, suspected doubt of greatness of glorious worker’s paradise and it’s opposition to dictatorships that aren’t associated with glorious worker’s paradise carries same punishment as jaywalking and smiling – 25 years hard labor before either starving to death or being shot by glorious worker’s firing squads.

      Would anyone else like to compare the human rights violating Orange Hitler to Fidel, the angel sent from the great worker’s paradise in the sky?

      1. Herr Trumpfenfuhrer didn’t get to roll tanks through Washington yet, so the comparison doesn’t quite work yet. Let him have his parade, then come back.

  21. And, no, mail-in voting is not more vulnerable to fraud then absentee voting. It’s actually the exact same thing.

    “Absentee voting” means that you take an affirmative step to request an absentee ballot from your state government.

    “Mail-in voting”, as discussed in many states, means that the government sends ballots unsolicited to the addresses that voters are or were registered at. Anybody who receives such a ballot can vote with it.

    Mail-in voting and absentee voting are different, and the potential for voter fraud is much greater with mail-in voting.

    1. And it’s anecdotal, but there’s plenty of people who have received ballots in the mail for dead voters or previous residents at their current address.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/town-clerk-offers-options-when-receiving-a-duplicate-mail-in-ballot/ar-BB17bCnj

      I’m saying it guarantees election fraud, but there’s definitely a huge potential when unsolicited ballots are being sent out.

      1. I guess it wouldn’t guarantee fraud in the election results youif somehow the fraudulent votes get lost in the mail. We can always hope for that

      2. ” there’s plenty of people who have received ballots in the mail for dead voters or previous residents at their current address.”

        And if they didn’t sign the thing and turn it in, that doesn’t prove that there was any vote fraud.

        1. “a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.”

          But nobody was convicted so tony thinks no fraud happened.

          This happens across the country dumbfuck.

          https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

    2. You know they check your name off a list once you vote once, right?

      1. Wow, that’s a flawless method to ensure that there’s no voter fraud. No chance that people are denied the right to vote because someone mailed in a ballot in their name!

        1. I’m all for methods of protecting the integrity of elections. Let’s start with Republican suppression efforts since those actually affect elections unlike phantom cases of ID fraud.

          1. 0/10

    3. “means that the government sends ballots unsolicited”

      They don’t send ballots unsolicited. You have to register to vote.

      1. And there’s never once been an issue of dead people remaining on voter rolls. Not. Even. Once.

        1. That’s a registration problem.

        1. “Tony with the ignorance again.”

          Odd that he signed your name to it.

  22. it’s a head fake. everyone is talking about this, so nobody is talking about the cratering economy. pretty much s.o.p. tweet outrageous crap to distract from bad news.

    1. People are aware of the economy’s problems, and what caused it.

      1. Good thing the coronavirus pretty much disappeared when the weather warmed up, isn’t it? Just like Trump said it would. and we didn’t even have to inject any bleach or take ineffective drugs like hydroxychloroquine to make it just go away.

        1. What part of my statement does this address?

          1. That Trump caused it. We had months to prepare, and instead he decided to convince everyone it was NBD. Turns out, it is a BD.

            1. Trump invented the Coronavirus? Wow.

              GDP dropped 33% in Q2. NJ, NY, MI, CT, CA, PA and many others were in quarantine. This wasn’t forced on them by Trump. How many governors shut their state economies down in the name of science (political science)? What percentage of the GDP is that directly responsible for?

              1. “Trump invented the Coronavirus?”

                No he told us to pretend it doesn’t exist. He was sure it’d go away by itself if nobody was tested for it.

  23. I am always amazed how hard people will work to rationalize President Trump’s statements and tweets. I think of politician and staffer who have had career wrecked by a misstatement. Or how some Fox hosts will take a email and blow it up into a grand conspiracy bigger than Watergate they say. Here my take, Trump is sweeting, he is trying to make a winning hand out of nothing, and it doesn’t seem to be working. Worse yet it will probably cost the Republicans the Senate before he is out.

    1. .0000000426/10

    2. I honestly think he was in really good shape before this. I think there’s a silent majority who are thrilled he’s using federal troops to stop rioters and the blatant riot apologists on the left were undermining themselves. He had a lot of ammunition

      I think a stupid tweet like this gives Trump’s critics a lot of ammunition. They’ve been screaming that he’s going to declare himself emperor almost since he was elected. It was much easier to say those people were complete whack-jobs without Trump handing them something they can plaster everywhere.

      1. Yes you’re absolutely right Trump asking this question immediately neutralizes the 4 years of crazy that make it easy to say those people are whack jobs.

        1. I just think it’s a bad idea to do anything to validate the screechers. We’ve seen this year just how easy it is to induce mass hysteria.

          1. Trump won in 2016 as an underdog. So he’s positioning himself as an underdog again. So many people are agin him. Pointing out his stupidity just feeds this strategy.

  24. http://www.nw-connection.com/?p=6147

    The Virology Journal – the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health – published what is now a blockbuster article on August 22, 2005, under the heading – get ready for this – “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” (Emphasis mine throughout.) Write the researchers, “We report…that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

    This means, of course, that Dr. Fauci has known for 15 years that chloroquine and its even milder derivative hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) will not only treat a current case of coronavirus (“therapeutic”) but prevent future cases (“prophylactic”). So HCQ functions as both a cure and a vaccine. In other words, it’s a wonder drug for coronavirus. Said Dr. Fauci’s NIH in 2005, “concentrations of 10 μM completely abolished SARS-CoV infection.” Fauci’s researchers add, “chloroquine can effectively reduce the establishment of infection and spread of SARS-CoV.”

    1. What’s the matter, haven’t you figured out how to market MyPillow as a cure?

      1. Hold it over your face?

    2. They’re all incompetent psychopaths.

      All woodchipper deserving.

      The whole, rotten stinking lot across North America. Except Noem. Her I like.

  25. I’m wondering why mail-in voting is necessary. After all, we’ve been told masks work–teh experts say so! If you don’t agree, you’re a selfish prick and a stupid science-denier! Okay, so let’s all go to the polls and vote.

    1. .000000813/10

    2. So what happens if I take my mask off in a polling place? I mean other than half a dozen people dropping dead of the COVID I don’t have on the spot. Legally speaking?

    3. The claim is masks work, in the sense that they reduce spread. Nobody claims they stop spread dead in its tracks.

  26. In a perfect world, it would be easier for politicians to delay an election than to shut down the economy.

  27. Trump trolls. Progressives take the Twitter-bait and lose their minds. MAGA-hats have to Trumpsplain what he *really* meant. Rinse. Repeat.

    You’d think such a winning man would be at least as articulate as his loyalist supporters.

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  28. Many people enjoy Trump’s style, but even he admits his tweets get him in trouble. Maybe he just needs to get off fucking Twitter. I know I would enjoy life much more not having to read every week a new freak out over a badly worded or stupid tweet. Yes, based on the wording of his tweet, it isn’t quite as bad as the media is making it out, but it was just a stupid tweet and stupid idea period. This just plays into the hands of the Democrats, who have already started a campaign to insinuate that he is going to ignore the election results. Oh and let’s not act like the LP candidates is much better after the recent controversies about her tweets and her VP tweets in regards to the current protests/riots. And the only time Biden even makes sense is when someone tweets for him. Maybe politicians should get the fuck off Twitter.

    1. They should not get off Twitter. Nothing serves as a better reminder that we are not ruled by top men, but by petty, shallow, narcissistic, bumbling assholes. Trump isn’t the only one that reveals who he truly is on the platform, they all do. I can’t think of a better way to instill the sort of distrust in our institutions and leaders that is needed to finally convince the populace to stop giving them any sort of power or benefit of the doubt. Although it hasn’t seemed to be working so far……

    2. I suggested back in 2016 that nobody should pay any attention whatsoever to anything that Trump’s twitter account said. The dude loves attention and hates being ignored. Now that he can’t draw flies to his rallies, Twitter’s all he’s got when he wants an attention-fix.

  29. Typical left wing fascist freak out by reason. The end of comedy and with Biden’s election the beginning of tragedy. Supported by Koch reason libertarians.

    1. .000000078/10

  30. “And, no, mail-in voting is not more vulnerable to fraud then absentee voting.”

    True, in so far as it’s implemented properly. There are one or two states that already use universal mail in voting.

    However, where states are moving to adopt universal mail in voting for this fall as an emergence measure because of COVID, there is an extremely high probability that it will not be implemented properly.

    In fact under these conditions the odds of it being implemented properly are so low as to be negligible.

    If a significant number of states insist on going forward with this, it’s going to be a shit show.

  31. Why are people bothering to make shit up about the problems of mail-in voting when every single person in this room is aware that the only problem you have with mail-in voting is that it can increase turnout and thus help Democrats. God dammit I hate liars.

    1. 0/10

    2. The same reason that people needed to grossly overstate the impact that $150k worth of Facebook ads bought by Russian intelligence had on the general election. Convenience.

        1. My tiger repelling rock is what keeps the tigers away.

          1. And would he have still won if people believed in sanity and facts instead of Pizzagate and other horseshit spread by Russians?

            1. Yup still tiger free. Good rock.

            2. Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid some painful introspection. Luckily the D’s have spent the last four years taking a good long look in the mirror and decided to present us with Joe Fucking Biden as choice B in this nonsensical false binary that we call “democratic choice”.

              1. We did have a primary and the problem there was getting all 30 of them offstage in time to get serious about the general election. I was satisfied with my options, if not the winner.

                1. That right there is why I can’t take anything that progressives (or conservatives for that matter) seriously. In what world can you claim to support an organization like BLM and criminal justice reform and then proceed to view a major figure of arguably the most punitive criminal justice period in recent history, who is responsible for more black and brown bodies rotting away in prison cells for non-violent crimes, as a “satisfactory” choice for our god-king.

                  Defund the police, but give the guys telling them what to do a promotion! Your Stockholm syndrome is really a sight to behold.

                  1. As I said, he wasn’t my first choice. But it’s a democracy of 350 million people. If you get what you want out of politics all the time, you’re one lucky bastard.

                    1. If you keep standing behind monsters and giving them unlimited power without consequences, you’ll get what you deserve.

                    2. Fuck all the minorities he jailed, he meets your standards.

                      Very white privilege of you.

                    3. But the alternative is Trump. He puts minorities in cages 30 years after it was cool.

                    4. He was literally Obama’s VP 4 years ago you dumbass.

                    5. Lol This is such a Tony post

                      Tony is so fucking stupid…

                      “HOW STOOOPID IS HE?!?!?”

                      Tony is so stupid that he not only forgets that Obama caged plenty of minorities, he ALSO forgets that BIDEN WAS THE VP 4 YEARS AGO!!!

                    6. Yeah, it’s totes gonna stop with Biden as god-king. Kumbaya.

                    7. So you’re not going to be able to convince me that Trump is the better choice. Biden is wedded to the current Democratic party center, which is nowhere near what it was in the 90s, especially on criminal justice. I actually agree with most of what they propose to do. Clean your own goddamn house. I swear to god nobody holds Republican responsible for anything they do around here.

                      Again, he wasn’t my first choice.

                    8. You’re accusing anyone else of refusing to hold their own team accountable while handwaving the fact that Uncle Joe is as individually responsible for packing minorities into cages like sardines. That’s rich Tony. BTW, have no team. It is a rigged game with false choices and every single one of them is a loss for the populace at large. I refuse to play the game. I will say that if your team was either honest or competent, all the areas that team Blue has held for decades and decades without a shred of opposition wouldn’t be the largest centers of social unrest and upheaval. But again, I know honest self-reflection gives you a case of frowny face, so it’s best avoided.

                    9. “I swear to god nobody holds Republican responsible for anything they do around here.”

                      Tony goes to Libertarian website, stupidly wonders why no one is obsessed about R’s like he is.

                    10. Okay I could agree with everything you said and it would still come down to a choice between Trump and Biden.

                    11. There’s Jo, also. She’s a more palatable, and less corrupt lefty than Biden.

                  2. Notice how not once has BLM advocated for less power for Daddy Gov, just for “redistribution” of that power

            3. He ran on a platform that consisted mainly of not being named “Hillary”. The last true thing he’s said about himself.

              1. No he deffo could grab your moms by the snizz.

      1. I am wondering how much money was behind the $150K of ads. What about the money paid to the hackers. What about money to target distributing the hacked emails. What about the GRU staff running the operation. I suspect that a lot more money was involved and that the $150K was the cheap end of the operation.

        1. Are you dense? It could be $500k or over a million. That’s not the point. It’s that one side has decided to myopically point to those ads as the source of their loss with a straight face despite the fact that total presidential campaign spending was probably north of 2.5 billion. Can you really not admit how stupid that sounds in context?

          It couldn’t possibly have to do with knowingly going forward with the most divisive, disliked, demonstrably corrupt figure in recent political memory as a their candidate while completely ignoring the fact that public approval and trust in existing institutions was reaching all time lows.

          Have you considered for one second that Hilary’s loss isn’t a reflection of Trump’s popularity or support, but the fact that half the country just wanted to give a giant middle finger to the person that most represents a decaying, decadent, and increasingly despondent political class?

          Nope, the Russians bought a few Facebook ads. Lesson learned.

          1. The fact that the election interference by a foreign power was bought cheaply should concern you more, not less.

            1. Agreed, the Democrats being stupid and profligate even when it comes to running campaigns should be a concern because it foreshadows how they run things when in charge.

              Good post.

            2. I guess it’s “influence” in the way that me writing in this comments section is influence. It’s on the internet and potentially millions of people can see it. It will change precisely the same number of votes from what they would be otherwise.

              1. The good thing is people have studied this so we don’t actually have to pull self-serving claims from our butts. (Repeat as necessary for every claim you guys make that you neglect to simply consult the facts about first.)

                1. “Studies” stopped working after you guys bought so many of them.

                  1. “‘Studies’ stopped working after you guys bought so many of them.”

                    Trump prefers to lead with “people are saying” and then proceeding to say something nobody but him were saying, and then poof! people start repeating the bullshit.

                    1. Which is the same as bought and paid for studies without hiding behind the lie of being studies.

                2. Show me the study that says that a Russian funded Facebook ad demonstrably changed ONE vote from your preferred candidate to the orange clown. I would say I’ll wait, but I don’t have an eternity.

                    1. Yes, the Russians bought ads. Did it change a single vote more than the rest of the 2.5 billion in advertising? Do you really not understand the point? This is what Democrats have been saying is THE reason they lost for four years. The sad reality is that those ads were nothing more than a fart in the wind downstream from the cattle ranch and to suggest other wise is absurd.

                    2. That’s not a study it’s a position paper.

                      No wonder you’re afraid to cite your sources.

                    3. Literally every single right winger I ever talk to repeats the lies from those ads to this day, and god knows how many normal humans would behave differently if they didn’t believe them as well. Your argument is that advertising is not effective. How many billions are we wasting on this industry??

                    4. Why would I care about the opinion of someone who thinks a position paper is a study?

                    5. I don’t for one second believe that you actually talk to as single “right-winger” in real life. Everytime you try to represent anyone else’s arguments, you do so as a bad faith caricature that you got straight from Bill Maher or The Daily Show. You are as much a product of insular echo-chamber thinking as everyone else you believe to be your enemy.

                    6. Your argument is that advertising is not effective. How many billions are we wasting on this industry??

                      Ask Gillette.

                    7. Meanwhile Louie Gohmert is an elder statesman and the head of their party is a ridiculous looking globule of severe mental illness, overt racism, and combover mashed together and making face noises with *maybe* the vocabulary of a third grader.

                      I’m so sorry for overly caricaturing Republicans.

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    4. “God dammit I hate liars”

      Dont be so hard on yourself. Most of the time you are just too dumb to know whether or not what you’re saying is true.

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  33. Donald Trump’s tweets are official presidential statements according to his own justice department, so you can dismiss like 90% of his official statements as totally meaningless if you like, and I’ll presume you’ll be just as forgiving and deferential the next guy who comes along. It’s the incredible and probably unprecedented claim that we should simply pay no attention to what the president says, because he’s dumb/a troll. It’s not a terribly convincing defense, I’m sure I don’t need to explain.

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  34. Reason is apparently unconcerned by the NY primary fiasco and the fact that a handful of individuals and organization have been charged with voter fraud in covid elections, including city council members who illegally collected and held ballots.

    Or how about the recent Korean election, in which ballots were found abandoned, collection boxes and seals were tampered with, and rebooting vote counting machine resulted in different tallies? Remember, that’s the country that scrubbed clean of Covid.

    Aren’t Reason and democrats afraid that Russians might try to tamper with mailed in ballots? It’s a farce of course, they never believed in their own bogeyman. No one who distrusts government should agree to a total mail in vote election without robust protection.

    Frauds are rare because the gatekeepers reject thousands of fraudulent ballots. We saw their effectiveness in question in as recently as the FL midterm elections. And once the amount of ballot becomes a mountain load, human error will become even more of a factor.

    1. So what do you want to do about it, specifically?

  35. It’s time to make election day a national holiday. Hopefully states will allow nothing to be open except the polls. Then stop all of the early voting, mail-in foolishness. Absentee, in advance, with a good excuse (travelling, medical come to mind).

    Voting is a civic activity. We do it at one time, one day, one place. There are few other things that we still do as one people. Time to make this one of them.

    Yup, I’m a dinosaur.

    1. Yep. Simple, straightforward, honest, no gimmicks.

    2. It’s time to make election day a national holiday.

      Which one(s)?

  36. I guess it’s safe to say Reason won’t be endorsing Trump?

  37. I once had respect for Reason… Libertarian… open to free expression of ideas and judgmental only when a threat of violence accompanied a comment… but no more

    The president ‘suggested’ the idea. Even in his tweet his comment was ‘Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???’ THREE question marks and he is accused of saying that he had the power to DEMAND by executive authority that it be changed.

    And… no, to receive a ballot absentee you have to actually be on a voter roll to get it, no so with blanket mailing which have already produced fraud in several cases.

    Such a sad fall from principle to being yet another hack web site.

    1. This is called “floating a proposal”.

      You start with a question, Hey, can we do this a different way, then you measure the response to see how strong the consensus is for taking the proposed action.

      1. Add another layer of tinfoil.

        1. No. It’s a pretty standard technique. If you want to say something weird and possible stupid, say it as an off-the-wall idea. If there was a large scale support for it, he might have thought about it further. However, it’s now, it’s just a crazy idea that Trump said at once.

          However, being Trump, he often does outrageous but easily defensible stuff like this as a distraction. What else is he doing?

    2. “THREE question marks…”

      Okay so our Russian spambots are going to have a sense of humor this time. That’s refreshing.

      1. A spambot huh… I didn’t use the question mark, he did and it wasn’t much different from asking a question (?) with a couple of !!’s thrown in. The point of course is that every media outlet took the question and turned it into an unequivocal statement of HIS power. But of course you knew that… but you just couldn’t hold your tongue.

  38. Blatantly false equivalency. Mailing ballots to individuals upon request is one thing; broadcasting ballots to all registered voters (including those who may be deceased or relocated) is quite another.

    1. Yeah, one is less convenient.

    2. Here’s how you fix it. First… change the inheritance law so that nobody can inherit anything until after the election office has been notified that the voter will not be voting in the next election, or ever again. If the estate can’t settle until the form has been filled out and signed (under penalty of perjury) that should take care of the people still on voter registration rolls. Next, you add a “where were you last registered to vote” entry to voter registration forms, if they don’t already have one. Having recently filled out a voter-registration form, i can say that I WAS asked where I was last registered. Now getting the registrations sorted out when voters relocate instate should be easy, but getting the interstate changes straight should be possible if we want it enough to pay for it. Finally set up a partnership with voter registration and DMV so that anyone who wants one can walk into the DMV, present proof of age and citizenship, and walk out with a free ID card to prove age and citizenship, THEN you can start demanding ID at the polls in order to vote. If you require voters to PAY FOR an ID card that lets them vote, you have Constitutional problems even if that DOES tend to filter out people who tend to vote non-Republican.

  39. When I lived in Montana, I did all my voting by mail. Trump won by 20 points, and it wasn’t because of sympathetic civil servants or election volunteers!

    Will less experienced states botch their first attempts at mail-in ballots? Probably, but that won’t prove anything else.

  40. Of course Trump can’t delay the election, everyone (him included, I’m sure) knows that. He just blasts out whatever is on his mind unfiltered and the media and his opponents lose their minds. Mail-in ballots are not in and of themselves subject to fraud, but the same as in person voting? Only if you don’t require ID for in-person voting, then it’s pretty much the same risk. But massive nationwide or even statewide voter fraud isn’t necessary to flip an election, all that’s needed is to do the dirty deeds in a few counties in a key state or two.

    1. Michigan, Wisconsin, Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania all have D govs.

      They will try to steal this election, they’ve been telling us about it for months

    2. “Of course Trump can’t delay the election, everyone (him included, I’m sure) knows that”

      He just wanted to be sure everyone knows that, before he gives up on the idea.

  41. One more thought… Given that you say Trumps wanting to open schools while moving the election date is hypocritical I don’t suppose you have any problem with me saying that the excuse of Covid19 for the promotion of mail in voting sounds rather odd given that rather long lines formed for John Lewis’ passing kind of flies in the face of that need… just as hypocritical… unless you, like a certain political ideology believe that borders have no relevance and ‘citizens’ should just get in line with the rest.

    1. Mail-in voting is more convenient than in-person voting, and, coincidentally, safer during a pandemic. Making voting more convenient tends to help groups of people that tend to prefer the Democratic party who might be tempted to sit out an election if they don’t feel any urgency about that particular election.

      Republicans HATE it when everybody votes, because they don’t win that kind of election. They win the kinds of elections where most voters don’t bother to show up. So they support all sorts of voter suppression efforts.

      I’m not a Democrat (or a member of any other political party) but I support efforts to get more eligible voters to cast a ballot, and I detest voter suppression as a path to election victory, so I just happen to be on the same side of this issue (for different reasons than they are.)

      1. While I will readily admit that perhaps .01 percent of the voting population is unable to get to the polls because of either physical or medical constraints (a perfect use of the absentee ballot) your contention that voter apathy somehow equals voter suppression is absolutely laughable. At present voter participation moves within the 40 to 60 percent range. Are you trying to tell me that Obama was elected because of voter suppression or that his opponents in both elections have proven themselves so worthless that people… perfectly capable people, just could not be bothered to show up. We hear a lot about this right or that right but every single one of them bar none come with some form of responsibility and getting off ones butt every two years should be to much to ask. You may not be a democrat but then again open borders, everyone gets to vote type of people come in all stripes.

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  43. I would submit the 4 local candidtates in New Jersey currently being charge with voter fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud and other federal crimes, show mail in voting is quite suceptible to fraudulent activity. If it weren’t for the U.S. Postal Service, they would have gotten away with it.

    1. I would counter that Oregon has had all mail voting for over a decade, and in that time there was one case of vote fraud. Let me save you a step… No that doesn’t prove that the Democrats got away with it because every party is allowed to put observers in the room while votes are processed, and if someone were cheating in favor of the Democrats then all the other party’s observers would have said something. The way they DID say something the time the Republican clerk decided to start padding her party’s vote totals by filling in undervoted ballots.

      1. Considering that the Oregon leadership tends to find ‘autonomous zones’ and the burning of federal court houses as ‘kids having fun’ when you say that their was only one case of voter fraud, one does wonder how many cases went… unnoticed because the fraud went in a particular political or ideological direction. The only way that blue states work to clean up voter rolls and police their voting officials is only from a judgement against them by someone with deeper pockets than mine.

      2. You keep talking about Oregon.

        Did you think no one would check?

    2. Our entire elections are fraud, so who fucking cares? 2016 was the first time we had an “outsider” win, and we wasted the opportunity on a mental midget.

      It’s a one party system posing as two.

  44. We have had multiple mail-in vote fraud cases earlier this year.
    Public, major ones. Who knows how many there were were that went unknown and undetected?

    And the problem with mail-in voting is scale. You can walk down the street, and take every ballot from mailboxes before people go out to get it. Mailmen can just steal entire boxes of ballots from people with little to no effort (one of the proven cases).

    Then, there is the problem of family-and-friend stolen ballots. Do you really think that an abusive husband will let his wife vote properly, or that she will have to fill it out in front of him? Why don’t you just fill it out for grandma?

    Absentee ballots are necessary, but it’s a weak link, and we know it. Universal mail-in voting is putting all of our weight on the weak link with no backup plan.

    1. Democracy can’t survive without its last line of defense… 80 year-old volunteers in school gyms.

    2. ” You can walk down the street, and take every ballot from mailboxes before people go out to get it. Mailmen can just steal entire boxes of ballots from people with little to no effort”
      Stealing a blank ballot isn’t vote fraud. Falsely submitting a completed ballot is vote fraud.

      “Then, there is the problem of family-and-friend stolen ballots. Do you really think that an abusive husband will let his wife vote properly, or that she will have to fill it out in front of him? Why don’t you just fill it out for grandma?”

      Why not, and then just sign it for her, too? Seeing as how you’re all helpful and shit.

      1. I don’t think you made the point you thought you were making.

      2. I hope you are being facetious, but I genuinely can’t tell, so I’m going to respond being submission
        1: Stealing the blank ballots means that you get to submit them. It also means that the people who should have gotten them now have their votes invalidated, or at least significantly delayed.
        2: It’s going to be a major issue that the dominant personality of the family will force the votes for everyone, and I expect full out filling-out for them to be an issue as well. I was being facetious, as its such an obvious objection that I can’t fathom why people aren’t bringing it up more

  45. He’s obviously just trying to get the massive drop in GDP out of the headlines. Of course the lazy journos ran with it.

  46. It’s no different then?

    NEVER edit.

  47. Post office coincidentally is having to close and cease operations in many locations. I mean, continuous operation since 1789 is no reason to look askance at these closures as being part of an obvious plot to throw a wrench in the election.

      1. Or this from the article.

        “The coronavirus pandemic has created further strain on Postal Service finances. The service reported a $4.5 billion loss for the quarter ending in March, before the full effects of the shutdown sank in.“

        Combined with anticipated revenue loss.

        I really cannot understand how the USPS can continue to lose money this way, other than it is a branch of government. That and FedEx, Amazon, and UPS are kicking their butts.

        It is said that Eisenhower wrote that “the five most important vehicles used to win WWII were the jeep, the bulldozer, the 2.5 ton truck, the DUKW amphibious car, and the C-47 transport plane, none of which were designed for combat”

        Logistics is everything in life and war.

  48. I once would have agreed with Eric Boehm when he says:

    “No, Trump Can’t Delay the Election[.]”

    But I also would have said that no government official at any level could prohibit religious services for precisely the same reason: the U.S. Constitution explicitly denies the president the authority to do the former _and_ denies all levels of government the authority to do that latter.

    [And it doesn’t matter how much you scream the words “public health” at me—the Constitution simply forbids it. Fortunately, I’m not religious, so I’ll probably just tell you to f— off.]

    1. Sure it can. The court just said so. Why would you want to interpret the constitution in an eccentric way such that it makes the constitution look ridiculous and in need of being scrapped? Especially for one claiming not to be a theocrat.

      The constitution means to establish a secular but tolerant community. It doesn’t mean to let churches run hog wild over everyone and ignore laws, and that certainly includes not making themselves vectors for needless extra pandemic death.

      1. There is nothing eccentric about that forbids the our government from making any law that “respect[s] an establishment of religion, or prohibit[s] the free exercise thereof”.

        The U.S. Constitution is written down. We can see what it says. There are no exceptions to this prohibition.

        I understand that you believe and perhaps were taught that there are secret intentions written on the back, but there are not.

        I’m no theocrat. Allowing our co-citizens to worship as they choose is not allowing them to rule over us. It might not align with how you weigh the risk from COVID, but the law is quite clear: until you can amend the constitution, you cannot stop them from exercising their religion.

  49. Delaying the election is slightly more likely than abolishing the Electoral College.

    1. Delaying the election is slightly more likely than abolishing the Electoral College.

      That’s just what I was saying, as I voted in the delayed election last month.

      There’s just no way elections can be delayed.

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  54. Just because something is unconstitutional, that doesn’t mean the President can’t do it. There are scores of things that have been done by various levels of government in fighting the pandemic that are clearly illegal according to the constitution, but the excuse of declaring an emergency miraculously made them happen anyway.

    I don’t believe for a second that Trump actually meant that he wants to change the election date. It was obviously just a huge troll. But if he actually did want to, make no mistake, it would happen whether anyone else liked it or not.

  55. Trump is playing “n”th D chess again.

    If Lefties want to keep up this charade that there is some Wuhanvirus emergency, then the Executive Branch has emergency powers. This could include postponing an election.

    If you want an election, STOP with the lies about Kungflu being some super dangerous virus. Its not more dangerous than the Flu/Cold/AIDS/ebola/….

    Lefties and their propaganda nitwits are so freaking out about this tweet.

  56. I’m a big believer in the secret ballot. Quite a bit of absentee voting occurs in households, possibly dominated by one forceful personality, so I think the ballot booth should remain a fixture if possible.

    1. I say just replace the election with a coin toss.

  57. Bullshit. I live in Oregon where there is mail in ballots and there is tons of fraud, whenever the opposing party (normally a Republican) is about to win they find another mail sack of ballots that go to the Democrat. Multiple ballots have been sent to the same address and to dead people. Again “Reason” is carrying water for the insane left, why they do it I’ll never know, its probably because they want to get invited to the popular parties. Never gonna happen if you continue to identify as a “libertarian” they’ll always hate you.

    1. You should pay “James pollock” a visit

    2. Gary Johnson got 4.7%. Strong showing for a libertarian. So there is some hope for the Beaver state.

  58. You should have to show up to vote..have extended voting days like in Texas…show up, show an ID and your all set. If your too lazy to come in to vote you shouldn’t be able to vote…

    1. Yeah, if we’re going to change how elections work, having polls open for more days seems like a better option. Howabout weekend voting? Have polls open for a whole week. They can have special times by appointment for people who are scared of the ‘Rona.

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