Coronavirus

Greta Thunberg Isn't a Coronavirus Expert

Electing celebrities won't fix what's wrong with American politics, and encouraging their performative antics won't either. CNN should do better.

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Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has been invited by CNN to be an "expert panelist" on a Thursday night event about the COVID-19 pandemic.

If you are a bit confused by this choice, that's fair. Thunberg is not really an expert in the field for which she is most well known, and that field is not virology or epidemiology or economics. I don't mean that as a slight against her angry performance at the United Nations last year. Honestly, more teenagers should snarl derisively at the elected and appointed leaders ruining the world.

Still, it was a performance and she is a performer, not an expert in pandemics or economics. Her inclusion on a panel that CNN is promoting as "Coronavirus: Facts and Fears" seems like a poor use of airtime. Sweden has taken a unique and interesting approach to COVID-19 that may prove useful for informing American policy. If the network wanted to share that experience with American news consumers in a way that could inform them, it might've been better to book a Swedish epidemiologist rather than a Swedish 17-year-old the internet loves to fight over.

Is this more evidence for the so-called "death of expertise"? That idea, most memorably expressed in a book of the same name by anti-Trump conservative Tom Nichols, says that Americans have rejected expertise in policymaking (and other fields) in favor of misinformed hucksterism and conspiracy theorizing. The best piece of evidence for this trend is the election of President Donald Trump. Yet if public polling is to be believed, Americans trust the experts more than they trust Trump on the coronavirus.

Thunberg's inclusion does say something pretty dreadful, however, about institutional media. People who talk about a decline in institutions usually mean public entities like the Justice Department or the presidency, or civic organizations like the Lion's Club. But the media is an institution too, and it has been weakened not by the death of expertise (we have plenty of experts!) but by the cancer of cynicism.

Trump embodies that cynicism and so does media coverage of his behavior. His campaign rallies feature racist attacks on immigrants, but look at how many people showed up! His coronavirus press briefings are a word salad of half-truths and random speculation, but look at the ratings!

Inviting Thunberg to this panel was a deeply cynical decision by CNN. They knew it would be a big deal on Twitter, that it would raise the profile of the event even as it caused people who weren't going to tune in anyway to get Mad Online. CNN knew they could get publications like Reason to write articles like this one providing free publicity beforehand, and that many publications—CNN.com included—will write recaps afterward, likely with a CNN video embedded. People who would not otherwise watch the panel if it included exclusively public health experts and economists will watch it because Thunberg is on it.

Electing celebrities won't fix what's wrong with American politics, and encouraging their performative antics won't either.

CNN's producers can, of course, invite whomever they want to their events. But when a news network makes a choice like this one—to provide a global platform on an issue of global importance to a teenager with no expertise—those of us who find that decision disconcerting should demand better. Media institutions like CNN are not victims of celebrity pseudo-expertise, they are the driving force behind it.

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  1. Further proof that CNN is not at all interested in providing factual information to anyone.

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    2. What did the Indian say to the stunt sheep?

      How, dare ewe.

      1. I accidentally flagged you while trying to scroll down.

        Good job Reason.

        1. Huh. I accidentally flagged him while acting as a sworn deputy of the Dad Pun Watch. Go figure.

    3. There’s a joke about American media that went around when Bush II was President. MSNBC is biased against Republicans, Fox News is biased against Democrats, and CNN is biased against journalism.

  2. This can’t be real.

    1. Is this the punchline to the entire covid joke? Are we done now? I’m laughing.

    2. Poe’s Law people; it’s a thing.

      “The Onion” hardest hit.

      1. A trained seal was booked but got a better gig on CNBC for the same time slot.

      2. The Babylon Bee is still killing it, though.

  3. Greta does look more like Gollum this year.

    1. How dare you!

      1. Where’s your precious now?

        1. I’m hearing that comment in Edward G Robinson’s voice.

      1. Pressing X for doubt. Is there a single mid-narrative game that’s been good? Or am I just jaundiced by things like STALKER: Clear Sky and the last update to Baldur’s Gate, Siege of Dragonspear?

        We know how it ends. And it’s an ugly tale. Then again, so was Rogue One, and that was the best Star Wars flick since Revenge of the Sith.

        1. I see that you are, like me, also a man of culture.

    2. How dare you say that!!!

    3. She’s fighting an undermanned (underwomanned?) fight against the pernicious stereotype about Swedish women.

  4. I’m just interested in hearing exactly what Dave Chappelle had to say about her.

    1. Just did a quick search; seems no one wants to put whatever he said in SF into print.

    2. “I’m just interested in hearing exactly what Dave Chappelle had to say about her.”

      Yes!

  5. Media/news companies aren’t heroic stalwarts of democracy and truth nor are they malignantly evil cabals intent on vile ends. They’re businesses that indirectly derive revenue from clicks/views/ratings. The more people attribute mythical qualities to news networks, the more influential they become/remain…

    not to be too cynical.

    1. The current MSM does fit the definition of “malignantly evil cabals intent on vile ends”.

    2. Many corporate media outlets have become nothing more than propaganda machines sustained by rich sponsors or indirectly the government. Analyzing their behavior through economic self interest doesn’t work.

      CNN doesn’t care about clicks or advertising, they get their money from carriage fees in airports and hotels.

    3. It would seem the road to hell is paved with “good” (or just not evil) intentions.

  6. At this rate, Greta will never have the time to actually a receive an education that might allow her to one day become an expert.

    I mean, right now she’s basically a high school dropout. I know plenty of high school dropouts that run successful IT consultancies, but I also know a far greater share of them go on to do nothing at all.

    Right now, I think it’s safe to say Greta is on a third track which is ‘book deal & TV appearances for millions as a prop, and coast through life on the interest’.

    Hardly a productive life, or anything added to anyone. Truly, a model for her generation.

    1. “I mean, right now she’s basically a high school dropout.”

      Your concern for her education is surprising. Are you sure her school is still open?

      “‘book deal & TV appearances for millions as a prop, and coast through life on the interest’”

      I doubt this. Authors have to be more productive than that.

      1. “Are you sure her school is still open?” She’s Swedish so, yeah, it’s probably open. She’s just not going; too busy selling her neuroses.

        “Authors have to be more productive than that.” Has she even written a book? Has she even read one? That’s the real question.

        If a book does get published under her name, it’s very likely she won’t have written any of it. A 9th grade education doesn’t lend itself well to being a good author. It does lend itself well to being a good puppet and making her fame-whore mother a nice living.

        1. I’m surprised at your detailed knowledge of Greta’s personal affairs. You must be making her fame-whore mother very happy.

        2. As young Swedish chicks go, she got shortchanged in the looks department.

          1. Eh, don’t make any assumptions about what she’s going to look like when she’s grown up.

            Except, I think you can assume the sneer is going to be impossible to erase by then, resting bitch face to the max.

            1. Maybe her tits will grow. Or she will buy some good ones. Good tits help a lot.

    2. She will be elected for office somewhere thats the only thing she will be good at or hired as a consultant the second most useless job after politician

    3. And why would LIndsay Lohan, no less an expert on many, many things not be included on the panel? And she has better tits.

      1. You’re critiquing a kid’s breasts? Really? Not only do you have to revert to sexism to demonstrate your superiority, but against a 9th grade kid. Austen Heller, you have an unhealthy self-esteem. That can be fixed if you want to do the work.

        1. She’s 17, but I can understand your confusion. She only has a 9th grade education., as she dropped out to lecture all of us with her profound ignorance. And most guys who aren’t fags look at chick’s tits.

          Get over it. You can if you want to do the work.

        2. 17 years old and she’s only in 9th grade?

          1. That’s why she’s so qualified to lecture everyone. (rolls eyes)

      2. >she has better tits.

        Does she? I thought she got implants.

        -jcr

  7. But the media is an institution too, and it has been weakened not by the death of expertise (we have plenty of experts!) but by the cancer of cynicism. lying their asses off.

    1. Good fix. He did get the “cancer” part right though.

  8. Coronavirus cannot survive temperatures of 85 degrees or higher.

    Climate Change raises temperatures, which will tend to kill off the Coronavirus.

    Therefore, those who oppose Climate Change are necessarily encouraging the Coronavirus to spread.

    Greta Thunberg, why do you want people to die!?!?

    #WhatPassesForArgumentTheseDays

    1. How dare she!!!!!!!

  9. TDS: When you take an article about CNN and Greta Thunberg and make it about Trump.

    1. No kidding. Just a random fucking paragraph to trash trump.

    2. Not sure how you could avoid doing it since 99.44% of what CNN does is carry water for The Resistance by making everything about Trump and the other 0.56% involves the Kardashians. I’m sure it just seeped over by contagion.

      And some huge percentage of their “reporting” consists of finding five random idiots on Twitter and talking about what they said.

      1. I have rigorously followed a Two-Point Sanity Plan as of last year:
        1) NEVER go on Twitter, or create a Twitter account.
        2)
        3) If, when reading any article, but especially news, I see reference to Twitter (as: “twitter exploded”, “responded to Twitter outrage”, or “some Twitter users found this problematic”) or Tweets, I immediately stop reading.

  10. And you can fuck right off Boehm, you write a column of CNN inviting Cabbage Patch Greta to a WuWho Flu conference and drag Trump into it. You are as bad as the rest of the media.

    1. Cabbage Patch Greta and Emperor Pooh Bear have a certain facial resemblance, no? If they mated, WHAT would the offspring look like? And, is there video? (Asking for a fiend-friend!)

      Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!!!

      1. How dare you!

      2. You’re not funny or interesting and you said you eat your own shit which is gross.

        1. Oh, and what you just wrote is SOOOO funny and SOOOO interesting, right? And we are all SOOOO fascinated by your obsession with shit-eating! Now go eat some more of your own shit, because we don’t REALLY actually want it here! Or there! Not with a goat, not in a boat, or even, with a goat in a boat in a moat! Your writing is a bunch of bloat!

    2. CNN knew they could get publications like Reason to write articles like this one providing free publicity beforehand

      I love how Boehm poses as an innocent victim here, as though Reason couldn’t simply choose not to play the game by CNN’s rules. They could instead publish stories about issues that, you know, actually matter to libertarians. Newsflash, Eric: it’s not rape if you’re willing.

      CNN’s producers can, of course, invite whomever they want to their events.

      Is that you, sweet, sweet Soave?

      1. This article is getting the clicks….

        1. The last ones in the evening usually do.

  11. So somehow an article supposedly about a teenager with no experience being on a failing cable network panel is equated with the president of the United States. There is no comparison. That girl knows almost next to nothing, has absorbed only ideology, and is as the article states a great performer.

    Donald Trump may not be to your liking, and may not have the expertise you prefer, but to compare these two is fundamentally flawed. Any person in the 70s has far more life experience than a 17 year old. I will take Trump’s advice over that girl any day. One of these two does not believe in communism. If you are left of center, you are already wrong.

    Honestly please come up with a better TDS article than this. You are phoning it in here.

    1. It’s also insane to say that Trump is unique in this regard. There’s literally no job that qualifies someone as an “expert” capable of heading up the world’s largest and most powerful bureaucracy. If nothing else, though, Trump should be an expert at hiring and firing people, the thing he’s most well-known for, and probably the most important aspect of the overbloated Presidency-making sure to put qualified people in positions.

      I think he’s a self-aggrandizing egotist who wanted to become President just to match his own inflated sense of self-importance, and didn’t care about actually doing the job. But the man he succeeded in the job was often described as a “Community organizer,” and I don’t think this made him more qualified.

      1. I have to disagree. While there is no true preparatory jobs for the presidency there are three jobs that are close. The vice presidency, a governorship during a major war, and a general of an army. Those are 3 of the 4 jobs that, before Trump, every single president had.

        While Senators do have political experience to perform some aspects of the job, they don’t have the relevant managerial experience or have to endure the public scrutiny on the same level.

        Also, Trump has been a lifelong manager of a business empire and celebrity for most of his adult life. That’s not actually that far off. Delegation, choosing the right people, and enduring the spotlight are all important parts for the president. In fact, he seems to have the exact opposite qualifications of a Senator.

        1. Eh, generals generally make bad politicians.

        2. I guess the “4 jobs that, before Trump, every single president had” are Senator, VP, Governor, and General. Only 2 of these jobs require any management skills, and none of them are much like President.

          Vice President is not a managerial job. This varies with the President; some used their VP as a White House staffer with responsibilities similar to the head of a department, but for others, the VP’s job was to make campaign appearances, ceremonially preside over the Senate for a few minutes a year, and otherwise stay out of sight. E.g., Truman hadn’t even been briefed on the A-bomb when FDR died.

          Senator is definitely not a management job; they may have previous experience managing a business or as a military officer (but such resumes seem to be uncommon now), or they may have managed their campaign for what that’s worth, but it’s quite possible to go straight into politics from college, hire professional campaign managers, and wind up Senator and then President with no management experience whatsoever.

          Generals are managers, but even though politics are often involved, the management and the politics are in a quite different context. And the last general to become President was Eisenhower. Skipper of a PT boat or pilot of a torpedo bomber are hardly comparable, but even that kind of command experience is becoming rare among politicians. IIRC, the last President to serve in war-time or in the regular military (rather than just training flights for the ANG) was GHW Bush, and the last nominee who was a veteran was Kerry, 16 years ago.

          1. Senator hasn’t been a common one lately. IIRC, the last Senator to be elected President before Obama was Taft.

        3. Every single president had? Did Obama? JFK?

  12. Is it just me, or does Greta Thunberg have some of the emptiest eyes you’ve ever seen? In none of her pictures does she actually seem to be looking at anything, much less seeing anything. Her gaze is utterly vacant.

    1. She isn’t thinking. Thunberg has been programmed. She’s a child soldier.

      1. She’s a child soldier.

        It’s worse than that. She’s a child Zampolit.

        -jcr

    2. So she’s not passing the Touring test. I guess they need to send her back to propoganda R & D. I think they’re getting remarkably close though!

      1. Give her a Voight-Kampf test.

    3. How dare you!

    4. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome will do that. A vicious slur, but as good an explanation for her behavior as any.

      I’ve no idea why anyone pays attention to her emotionally, and probably mentally, crippled ass.

      1. How dare you!

      2. Not a vicious slur if its true. She certainly has the physical traits.

    5. She has been diagnosed as being on the spectrum, which would account for her expression and mannerisms. It also ought to make her at home with a non-negligible sunset of the commentariat here.

      1. “Sunset of the Commentariat”. Has a nice ring to it. Anyone have a novel needing a title?

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    6. Not unusual for people with autism, I think.

    7. She’s got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll’s eyes.

  13. The opening remarks should be
    “your parents were right, the world is coming to a slow miserable end only being sped up by the virus. The is only one way to releave yourself of the pain of watching it.”

    Please someone troll her non stop.

    1. How dare you!

      1. Psst do it

  14. Inviting Thunberg to this panel was a deeply cynical decision by CNN.

    Unfortunately, that shark was jumped some time around 1947. And it got huge ratings, too! Not Janet Jackson popping out a titty at the Superbowl ratings, but decent enough. Can you imagine print reporters or radio announcers being the only ones to describe the imagery, what a non-story sounds like rather than looks like? Television is designed for the amount of sensory overload necessary to prevent us from thinking, to the extent that a lack of alcohol, marijuana, opium, peyote, LSD or auto-erotic asphyxiation forces us to confront the necessity of thinking in the first place. Are you not entertained?

  15. I’m pretty sure that CNN doesn’t want their viewers to hear what the actual credentialed experts in the country that Greta comes from have to say on the matter, though.

    I suppose at this point, they might just be trying to find out what might make the people who still consider their network to be credible reconsider that assessment? Or are they just trying to push the writers at the Babylon Bee past the human capacity for satire?

  16. Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has been invited by CNN to be an “expert panelist” on a Thursday night event about the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Fauci’s an expert, and he’s gotten it wrong half the time.

    1. Fauci.

      Honk, honk.

    2. ” If you are left of center, you are already wrong.”

      The whole of CNN is left of center. CNN’s got two experts. If they’re as expert as Fauci, they should be able to get 100% between them. Greta’s there to gin up the audience anger.

      1. Sorry, Unicorn Abattoir, only the second half of the above comment was meant to respond to you.

      2. Yes, the two experts MAY add up to 100%…but will it be 100% right or 100% wrong?

    3. Expertise is kinda a lie. I mean, sure, there are people who know way more than other people and that’s worth consideration, but the idea that someone is likely to be right merely because they know more than other people is usually not true except in questions of established fact. Indeed, often expertise leads unique biases, and does not dispel other biases (decent primer on that: https://scholar.uwindsor.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2211&context=ossaarchive note this was later published in the journal Argumentation).

      Therefore, the role of the expert should be to provide persuasive arguments and verifiable facts, not decrees. And it is the role of everyone to question those arguments. If the arguments are good, they will stand.

      1. I think that’s a valid point, but questions USUALLY require some kind of experience / education to be of much use. Maybe outside the field in question, but something.

        Speaking of opinions that are based on actual neuronal activity, thanks for posting something intelligent rather than another pathetic assessment of Greta’s looks.

      2. Expertise is kinda a lie.

        Expertise does in fact exist. I’m an expert on several topics myself, but I work in fields that rarely involve politics or emotion. When those come into the picture, political minions will cast about for credentials, not expertise (Krugman being the most egregious naked emperor operating today, for example.)

        When a leftard’s designated credentialed moron is disregarded, the leftard will berate their opposition with epithets such as “anti-science”, “denialist”, “reactionary”, “goldbug”, etc.

        -jcr

      3. It is more lie than incontestable fact.

        Consider: Every scientific advance, EVERY ONE EVER, has involved telling the “experts” they were wrong. There is always someone with a vested interest in the preservation of the status quo, and they are “the experts”.

        So we can assume, in the new shiny Google Panopticon World of peace and harmony we are being steered towards, that nothing of that sort will be allowed in the public-facing media.

        And even if one is free to express new ideas, their presence is less “authoritative” venues guarantees that they can and will be smeared as “conspiracy” or “crackpot theories”.

        Anyone comfortable with that is merely hoping their enslavement will be more gentle if they just go along.

  17. Cute TDS article Eric.

    “CNN should do better.”

    “It’s like you have no business training at all.”

  18. Should disgraced traitor Micheal Flynn be held in contempt for perjury?

    I’d really appreciate your opinions.

    1. We got a live useful idiot here.

      1. I doubt he’s very useful.

        1. Perhaps as mulch.

      2. He’s being more purposefully dishonest than stupid.

    2. Have the common courtesy to spell his name properly, and I might deign to get down in the mud with you.

    3. I’m a lot more excited about that Irish banshee Samantha Power perjuring herself about unmasking Flynn.

      1. I want perp walks. Or nooses, I’m not picky. Solo canoe rides on the Potomac work too…

    4. Answer: No, he has suffered enough.

    5. And yet no one gives a shit about your opinion sparky, or wants to discuss theirs with your dumbass.

    6. Fuck off, Jeff.
      You’re not fooling anyone.

    7. Should Axeblood’s organs be harvested to save the lives of people not already brain dead?

      1. Cue the Monty Python Galaxy Song.

    8. disgraced traitor Micheal Flynn

      No idea. Who is he, and what did he do?

      We’re talking about the innocent former national security advisor, Michael Flynn, whom we have just learned was framed by Obama minions in an attempt to throw a monkey wrench into the incoming Trump administration.

      -jcr

    9. Four errors/lies in a single sentence and then a meaningless one.
      I dunno, that’s pretty good work.

  19. “Is this more evidence for the so-called “death of expertise”?”

    I believe our problem has more been the “cult of expertise.”

    Most people are smart enough to understand science. They take AP Biology, AP Physics, AP Chemistry in high school, and are fully capable of digesting the material and earning a good grade even if they then don’t go on to pursue those fields in college. Some will try to pretend that science is really hard to understand, and most people are too dumb to understand it; but its not true.

    That doesn’t mean everyone’s going to have an intelligent opinion, because there are a lot of stupid opinions out there, especially on the Internet. But people are free to ignore stupid opinions, experts can be wrong, too, and in the end all quoting and referencing “experts” does is avoid discussion and debate of the actual science. And its usually selective, and paraphrased, leaving out a lot of nuance. Journalists and politicians will refer to the experts they want to refer to and the facts they want, ignore the experts they don’t like and the facts they don’t like; then, interpret the science to suit their politics.

    A responsible civil society should tend towards the opposite. Science journalists should feel its their job to understand the science and explain it to readers in an objective fashion, not just quote scientists and try to form an impression. And any politician who relies on “science” for a policy should also understand the science and be able to explain it, and defend it, himself. The purpose of quoting experts for a politician is to avoid responsibility and cover his butt. Because when the policy turns out wrong, he can claim “hey, I just did what experts told me, don’t blame me.”

    Doesn’t mean I think Greta is appropriate for a panel; she’s just there for her celebrity value and hasn’t said anything I can’t read off a lefty blog. The left has just been using her as a mascot because of her age, and, in turn has used her age as a shield so people can’t criticize her. But if Greta were not a teenager who has just done publicity stunts, but a 20 to 30 something writing a regular science column in the New York Times, people probably wouldn’t bat an eye about her appearing on a panel.

    And even if Greta were off the panel, I wouldn’t expect CNN to invite on an epidemiologist who has different opinions than the party line. Why not invite on Anders Tegnell from Sweden?

    1. Lol. Right. They want Sweden to fail.

    2. btw, Greta agrees with Tom Nichols. She also tells people to listen to experts and quotes experts all the time.

      On why she wouldn’t talk with Pres. Trump:
      “Honestly, I don’t think I would have said anything. Because obviously he’s not listening to scientists and experts, so why would he listen to me? So I probably wouldn’t have said anything, I wouldn’t have wasted my time.”

    3. Well reasoned.
      I don’t entirely agree with your conclusion, but a high quality post.

    4. “Most people are smart enough to understand science. They take AP Biology, AP Physics, AP Chemistry in high school, ”

      Most people do not take AP courses in anything. Most people slide thru high school as easily as they can get away with. Critical thinking is not their strength.

      1. Yeah, I’m not so sure about that premise either. Half of people have IQ under 100. That’s not really that smart.
        Perhaps most people are capable of understanding science. But very few bother to do so. I don’t think a majority even knows what science is.

      2. Even a farmer who hasn’t taken past high school chemistry can listen to evidence and come to a conclusion. Scientific reasoning is a learned skill, but it’s not one that requires you to be a dedicated scientist.

        My bigger concern is the way that models are being trumpeted as hard data. Both on this COVID thing and in general. Anyone with scientific experience knows that models are simply mathematical equations that have been made to fit data. A model should only be trusted after it has proven to be accurate, and even then only in the context of existing data. However, many “scientists” seem to love their models so much, they think that they are superior to actual data.

    5. “Why not invite on Anders Tegnell from Sweden?”

      That’s a long way to go for an expert when there are experts closer to hand. CNN probably doesn’t want to spring for hotel and airfare for a gaggle of scientists scattered over the globe when they can avail themselves of experts who live and work just around the corner. They also try to avoid accents, tattoos, piercings and the like. Their tastes don’t run to the exotic.

      ” And any politician who relies on “science” for a policy should also understand the science and be able to explain it, and defend it, himself.”

      Not really practical. A politician isn’t going to have more than a rudimentary understanding of all the fields that come under his or her purview. You wouldn’t settle for an epidemiologist explaining the intricacies of RSA encryption, would you? Why expect a politician to do any better?

      1. A politician doesn’t have to be able to explain the nitty gritty details, but they should have a good idea.

        The captain of a ship doesn’t have to know how to repair the engine, or the computer system, or even how to use the mess hall, but he should have a good idea about what thing in his ship does what. Otherwise, he cannot give reasonable orders when something goes wrong.

        Science details can get really difficult. The overall concepts aren’t. If you cannot explain it so that an elementary schooler can understand, you don’t understand enough to make policy.

        1. I wouldn’t argue the value of an education and a firmish grasp of a wide variety of scientific and other areas. I think it’s maybe a bit too much to demand of someone whose role is leadership and administration, like a president. Far more important is the ability to judge character and inspire loyalty and top performance in underlings.

    6. Physics isn’t even required, usually, but you assume most people take the AP version? That is…optimistic

    7. See my comment above, but I think the real issue is that expertise is really limited only to what is knowable. An expert in WW2 can name all kinds of facts that you might not know without looking it up, but so what? The problem is that this makes experts think they can predict things based on those fact, but there’s tons of research which suggests this is almost entirely untrue. Experts’ predictive powers fall prey to the same biases as anyone else (as well as a few extra), and is therefor only useful in certain contexts.

      Thus the main use of experts is to provide fact and make persuasive arguments for evaluation, not to decree “truth” as if they were oracles. And of course you are right that a panel of experts that all agree with each other is basically a useless event.

  20. Only the left could consider a child with a learning disability who skips every 5th day of school an “expert” in anything.

    1. How dare you!

    2. You just perfectly described most leftists I’ve known.

  21. Who?

    1. How dare you.

  22. Tom Nichols [] says that Americans have rejected expertise in policymaking (and other fields) in favor of misinformed hucksterism and conspiracy theorizing.

    Jean Shepherd said that over 60 years ago.

    1. Woodrow Wilson said the same thing over 100 years ago. Just before he asked who let all the niggers and the kikes in.

  23. But grab a ten year old who will love capitalism, and you eat it up. Oh, who’s also homeschooled. No one cares about this except you. Glad you all got your rage fix in.

    1. Prog Hoes Mad.

    2. Projection and logical fallacy.

    3. What the fuck are you talking about lunatic?

    4. “I’m going to grab a great big handful of lefty tropes and buzzwords and try to cram them all into this single, irrelevant comment” – t. ohlookMarketthugs/Jeff

    5. Some of us are thrilled when we see intelligent students who make reasoned arguments we agree with. We’re happy to see youngsters getting a proper education on how the world works.

      We’re not then immediately suggesting they have world-changing wisdom and we should listen to their policy proposals, and we’re not putting them on television to ask for their expertise on unrelated issues like tort reform or the surveillance state.

  24. The addition of Greta Thunberg to the COVID-19 panel is done for one reason, to attract viewers. She is a good actor and her madder than hell act puts on a good show but as for knowing about the pandemic she knows nothing. With her on the panel CNN is hoping to draw more of the younger generation to watch.
    Now for the “experts” especially in the news arena all I can say is all the EXPERTS got it wrong in 2016 and that is why the democrats are more madder than hell than Thunburg is. It is why the democrats have for the last 3.5 years they have been using every trick in the book to force Trump out of office. So you see the “experts” don’t know as much as they think they do. So this coming could be another election like the last one in 2016.

    Yet if public polling is to be believed, Americans trust the experts more than they trust Trump on the coronavirus.

    1. It’s also done to troll anyone who is not a fan of hers. It was the same thing with her disingenuous Time Person of the Year award. Getting mad about it just gives them want. Personally I find her hilarious and endlessly entertaining. If you think of her more like a Titania McGrath character, seeing her pop in the news will actually lift your spirits.

  25. How is this worse than listening to Trump about C19?

    And, serious question: if you needed specific advice regarding C19 and had to choose between getting it from Thunberg or Trump, which would you choose?

    1. Did a resource class report a group of missing retards because there are a whole bunch of them in the last couple of Reason articles.

      You can smell the stench of the drool.

      1. It’s a computer lab outing for the group home activity today.

      2. “You can smell the stench of the drool.”

        Unfortunately, you can also smell the drench of their stool.

    2. Wow, the Media Matters crew is bringing out all their socks today to try and smother these stories in the discussion.

      To bad they hired idiots.

    3. Why are these our only two choices? Why do I have to “listen” to anyone in order to follow them? Can’t I read up on the virus from a variety of sources and start forming my own opinions?

      1. Think for yourself? How dare you!

    4. Trump is not there as an expert. Trump is there because, for better or worse, he was given the authority to decide on what expert advice to implement.

    5. Neither? I’ve been studiously avoiding Trump and other talking heads and seeking out actual data and analysis rather than the official interpretation. You should try it. Things look less scary that way (virus related things, anyway, political and economic situations are even more horrifying).

    6. I like to make my own choices. Trump mostly lets me do that. Thunberg is advocating global totalitarian government.

  26. But when a news network makes a choice like this one—to provide a global platform on an issue of global importance to a teenager with no expertise—those of us who find that decision disconcerting should demand better not watch it.

    FTFY

  27. This is child exploitation by CNN. And nothing more than that.

    1. Actually it’s the anger and attention of rubes like you that CNN is exploiting. Angry people click. Angry people comment. This makes advertisers happy and brings revenue to CNN.

      1. Fuck off, Molly. Fucking commie troll.

        1. Keep stoking the fires of Greta’s fame. You are making her fame whore mother very happy.

        2. This is a copied/pasted quote:
          mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
          “Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”

          This passes for sophisticated comment in his mind; to most others, it’s meaningless bullshit.

          1. I have the advantage in possessing razor sharp skills of thinking and intellectualizing.

            1. You confuse mockery with anger, and then go on to assert that you have “razor sharp skills of thinking……”

              Huh. Interesting take.

      2. We also use ad blockers. And CNN’s revenue primarily comes from carriage fees.

        1. If anything that should make you less angry.

  28. This is child exploitation by CNN. And nothing more than that. dewitani.com

  29. Seen on Twitter earlier,

    CNN: LISTEN TO THE DOCTORS!

    Rand Paul: I’m a doctor and a Covid-19 survivor…

    CNN: WE MEANT THE SWEDISH CHILD.

    1. Did he survive the disease by injecting himself with Lysol as the president whose toes he suckles 24/7 suggested?

      1. Trump never suggested that and you know it you lying sack of shit.

        Even CNN ended up having to walk that back, but here’s Tony imagining everyone else lives under rocks.

  30. The girl is an expert on nothing expect how to throw a teenage tantrum. CNN is clearly uninterested in facts, only angry denouncements of the present US Administration.

    1. Totally agree. She’s nothing more than a loud-mouthed teenage brat who was paraded out to tug at the audience’s emotions.

  31. Greta Thunberg is a selfish, ignorant, bad-mannered prick. And we should feel sorry for her because that’s what the adults in her life raised her to be. She’ll likely never have a decent relationship, family, or social life.

    1. “And we should feel sorry for her ”

      Maybe we should. But it’s anger that makes stooges like you click and comment.

      1. Why do you think anyone is angry?

        1. “Why do you think anyone is angry?”

          The vitriol expressed over a 17 year old girl is a giveaway. Look at any Reason article that concerns Greta. You’ll see angry comments and little else. The anger shouldn’t surprise you. It’s the whole point of the exercise.

          1. Doesn’t look like anger to me. More bemusement.

            1. Don’t be fooled by appearances.

              1. More like bemused contempt for people dumb enough to take her seriously.

          2. I’m angry at her handlers. Anyone who uses Greta to push their agenda can get ass cancer.

          3. I’m not angry that CNN included her. I’m flummoxed at their stupidity. Included her certainly has not given CNN any of my clicks or viewing time, so if they thought they were going to get the “outrage” views, they’ve missed the mark entirely. In fact, they’ve given site like Reason more clicks as they have articles about CNN’s questionable inclusion of her that generate more interest than her actual presence on CNN.

            1. “In fact, they’ve given site like Reason more clicks as they have articles about CNN’s questionable inclusion of her that generate more interest than her actual presence on CNN.”

              No doubt she’s got clicks to spare. It’s called star quality. Maybe that’s why CNN chose her. This should help with your flummoxment.

              1. “ No doubt she’s got clicks to spare. It’s called star quality.”

                Star quality my ass. She’s a retarded half-wit that knows the Progressive Climate liturgy and contorts her hideous face into paroxysms. She’s to the left what Siamese twins or animals born with cyclopia in India are, freaks that are worshiped because it affirms their leftist faith.

                1. Over 200 comments on an article about a CNN panel guest.

          4. How does accurately describing the woman amount to either anger or vitriol?

      2. You and Greta should get a room. You are perfect for each other.

  32. She’s not an anything expert.

    1. Apart from shady business practices, neither is Bill Gates.

      1. Oof. Bill Gates.

        As long as he doesn’t get his hands on a vaccine I can die happy.

        1. He runs the largest private charity in the world. Apart from that being a pretty decent thing to do, don’t you idiots need guys like that to support your assertions that private charity is sufficient to make a decent, equitable, healthy society?

          Or are you just a goddamn sheep hating whoever Hannity tells you to hate this week?

          1. It’s good to see your time away was healthy and relaxing. Usually when people take a vacation they return less ready to froth. Spent time with your friends to find none of them like you either?

          2. Now, see mtrue, this is what anger looks like.

            Of course, with your “razor sharp skills…..” I’m sure you know this.

  33. She said

    “Honestly, I don’t think I would have said anything. Because obviously he’s not listening to scientists and experts, so why would he listen to me? So I probably wouldn’t have said anything, I wouldn’t have wasted my time.”

    1. Presumes she has anything of value and scientific significance to add.

      WE MUST LOCKDOWN UNTIL VACCINE IS FOUND.

      Is NOT science assholes.

      1. Medicine is as much an art as a science.

        1. Embarrassment doesn’t come easily to bullshitters.

          1. Science is not going to tell us how to deal with the virus. Certainly it will inform any decision, but it’s ultimately a political matter, like climate change.
            The sooner you accept this, the better.

  34. 1. She is as close to an expert as anyone dumb enough to appear on CNN.
    2. She is an emotionally abused, brain damaged, dropout.
    I have spoken.

    1. She is an expert at throwing a tantrum in public.

  35. I don’t want Greta to get coronavirus and suffer….much But I think it would be good for her to have an opportunity to see how human life is something to be thankful for.

    1. Try to be charitable. She is only 17. I believed a lot of dumb shit when I was 17, and I didn’t even have a handler encouraging it.

      Greta is sadly a tool; a useful one who probably does believe the crazy shit she says. But belief is different from understanding.

      1. This can’t be stated enough. She’s a victim of a kind of soft, emotional abuse. Her condition makes her prone to emotional outbursts, and the adults around her aren’t protecting her from that condition, they’re throwing gas on it– which includes continuing to lie to her about climate change.

  36. Greta Thurnberg is a left-wing zealot, which is the only form of “expertise” that left-wing people actually care for.

  37. Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has been invited by CNN to be an “expert panelist”
    FUCKING

    L O L
    O
    L

    1. It’s ironic since MasterClass, from what I have heard, is basic entry-level shit.

      1. Last I checked, the only teacher they have for economics is Paul Krugman, so extrapolate that to the rest of their content. The only thing I would be enough of an expert on to comment on is as a guitar player. Their class is taught by Tom Morello. Unpopular opinion: as a technical musician, that guy is a hack.

        1. As an angry songwriter he’s even worse.

  38. there have not been any presidents who were experts at anything since the founding fathers. we don’t elect experts we elect people to represent us but for some reason people think being elected makes them experts.. BTW “experts” got us in this covid-19 mess so why should we listen to them

  39. Who cares. Every columnist in the country is writing on COVID-19 and few of them would be considered experts. If you don’t like it my suggestion is don’t watch it. I also suggest that Reason seem to have an obsession with this kid that is bigger than she deserves. Relax she will go away soon enough.

    1. “”I also suggest that Reason seem to have an obsession with this kid that is bigger than she deserves. “”

      Perhaps. But Reason’s obsession is rather small compared to the obsession of her fans. Either is more than she deserves.

  40. I was expecting an article about cnn and greta, not Trump.
    I am more concerned about the death of journalism, than the death of expertise.

  41. So it’s CNN’s fault that right-wingers have been ridiculously hysterical over one speech given by one little girl.

    You morons focus on the pettiest things and treat the serious things with indifference and cynicism.

    If that was a waste of precious airtime, what is this article?

    1. So it’s CNN’s fault that right-wingers have been ridiculously hysterical over one speech given by one little girl.

      Enough about Hillary Clinton. You need to move past her.

    2. Except we were told repeatedly to listen to her like she’s some inspirational speaker at a high school pep rally. Portraits of her are being put on buildings. All for a child with no qualifications who isn’t even that convincing a speaker and is a brazen hypocrite with her globetrotting lifestyle, done on private yachts at ten to a hundred times the emissions as if she had just flown commercial.

      The only reason the right cares is because she was propped up so much by the left to begin with.

  42. How much longer can CNN survive? I’m being serious.

    1. The people who watch CNN love this shit, it’s why they do it.

      People are, for lack of a better word, retarded.

    2. Watch CÑÑ, even if you don’t have any Spanish, for just a little while and you’ll see the value the DNC is getting out of their continued existence domestically. The content aimed at foreign consumers is no less than traitorous.

  43. “CNN should do better.”

    Ha and ha.

  44. I don’t mean that as a slight against her angry performance at the United Nations last year. Honestly, more teenagers should snarl derisively at the elected and appointed leaders ruining the world.

    Well, many do, that’s kind of what makes one a teenager.

    Also, I will remain steadfastly critical of anyone who sneers at elected officials because they’re not being enough of a dictator. Thunberg is calling for a global dictatorship… the fact that leaders are reluctant to give in to her demand is a testament to those leaders, not something to be disappointed about.

    That idea, most memorably expressed in a book of the same name by anti-Trump conservative radio host Tom Nichols, says that Americans have rejected expertise in policymaking (and other fields) in favor of misinformed hucksterism and conspiracy theorizing.

    I don’t know who this Tom Nichols is, but “expertise in policymaking” is the very thing we need to be skeptical of. If this Nichols guy is merely saying, “shut up and trust your betters” then he deserves another 4 years of Trump just as the Democrats do.

    People who would not otherwise watch the panel if it included exclusively public health experts and economists will watch it because Thunberg is on it.

    Speaking for myself, I’m way past that. With Thunberg on it, it’s not valid, nor important, nor insightful, therefore I won’t waste my time with it. It can be safely dismissed out of hand, along with the entire network.

  45. We normals think you freaks are at your comedic apex when you go all red-faced over this child girl. You are led around by the nostrils by right-wing talking fuckfaces and interests that are so sensitive to criticism they make a little girl the face of the enemy… and it fucking works with you people! It’s the most goddamn pathetic thing I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen a lot of fucking horseshit from you apes on climate change.

    1. Ahhhhhh, Tony has a crush.

    2. It’s cute Tony thinks he’s a normal. I’m amused he thinks 13 year olds regurgitating television propaganda is something to be impressed by, but given his intelligence I guess that makes sense.

      1. It’s not something to be impressed by, unless you either think she’s remarkably articulate for a person her age, or you feel threatened by a girl her age.

    3. So why not Kanye and Kim? At least they’ve been successful at SOMETHING.

  46. Trump “His campaign rallies feature racist attacks on immigrants”

    I am just curious how did we get here and what is the evidence of this ?
    Pointing out that “MS-13 == bad” is also NOT racist.
    Pointing out that are rapist and murders at the border is also not racist.

    1. [“His campaign rallies feature racist attacks on immigrants”]

      I am just curious how did we get here

      Someone a left winger disagrees with ran a campaign.

  47. “”Greta Thunberg Isn’t a Coronavirus Expert””

    She’s not a climate expert either.

    1. But she has Asperger’s, so that gives her special insight into everything that adults don’t have.

  48. She may not be an expert on it and it’s pure manipulative circus to put her in there, but we’re in lockdown thanks to “the experts”. She’ll probably say the lockdowns have benefited the environment. Can’t argue with the facts there. Well, a rational person can’t. I’m sure someone will find a way.

  49. And Joe Biden has nominated AOC, another empty head idiot, to be co-chair along with comrade Sanders of his Climate Change Committee.

    1. Sanders would be a wimp to take such a stupid concession. Cabinet or nothing; Biden is such a cunt.

  50. Summary: CNN bad, and of course Orange Man bad.

    Pathetic.

  51. “Still, it was a performance and she is a performer, not an expert in pandemics or economics”:.
    Reason throws economics in as,
    *JUST LISTEN TO KRUGMAN*. I demand you listen to Krugman, dammit! You people don’t know that Krugman is an expert, wicked smart, NYC hipstaaa and Ivy League educated.
    Boehm:
    “just listen to Krugman, ehhhhh, ehhhhh, aghwwww- organge man bad for the economy!!!, all republicans and trump voters are deplorable and racist” “The voters won’t listen to the experts”.–runs to safe space panic room.

  52. Does scowling and scolding kill COVID-19?

    -jcr

  53. Don’t give a damn what she has to say about climate change.
    Don’t give a damn what she has to say about Coronavirus.
    Don’t give a damn what she has to say about *__________.

    *Fill in the blank with any subject.

  54. Fewer cars on the road, fewer airline flights…COVID-19 has lead to less pollution and cleaner air.

    Isn’t this what Thunberg is advocating? A COVID-19 type environment that results in less pollution? Her wish has come true.

  55. >>>If the network wanted to share that experience with American news consumers in a way that could inform them, it might’ve been better to book a Swedish epidemiologist rather than a Swedish 17-year-old the internet loves to fight over.

    CNN and Fox News are corporate propaganda ministries, not journalism

  56. Lack of expertise hasn’t stopped ‘reason’ from doing whatever it is it thinks it’s doing, so why rag on Greta?

  57. When she cried out you destroyed my dreams when we first saw her on that TV panel, well, kid, you are destroying your own dreams by dropping out of school. When I heard her say those words, I was like, uh no, you are destroying your dreams by refusing to go to school and dropping out. Your dreams are what you make of them, not what the world can create for you. You create your dreams to strive for, what you are doing is not striving for what you want to do with your life after your folks are no longer capable of taking care of you or that they die an early death, which I pray never happens. But you need to return to school and then go to uni to get a degree in climatology and become the expert you are claiming to be at your small age.

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