'Feeding My Kids Isn't Selfish': Salon Owner Gets Jail Time for Reopening in Dallas

Texas salons are allowed to reopen on Friday. Shelley Luther will be sitting in jail.


A Dallas woman has been ordered to spend a week in jail and pay at least $3,500 in fines after reopening her hair salon in defiance of the state and local stay-at-home orders, meant to stem the spread of COVID-19.

District Judge Eric Moyé found Shelley Luther, the owner of Salon à la Mode, in contempt of court for resuming business on April 24, refusing to heed orders to reclose, and tearing up a cease and desist letter in protest. The salon had been shuttered since March 22.

Prior to sentencing Luther, Moyé gave her the opportunity to admit "the error of [her] ways" in exchange for a fine instead of incarceration, which he said she had "so clearly earned." She would also have to promise to close her salon.

"A society cannot function where one's own beliefs in a concept of liberty permits you to flaunt your disdain for the rulings of duly elected officials," said a masked Moyé, addressing Luther from the bench. The Dallas entrepreneur would need to formally apologize to those elected officials, he said, who she "disrespected by flagrantly ignoring and in one case defiling their orders." 

Luther declined.

"Judge, I would like to say that I have much respect for this court and laws, and that I've never been in this position before, and it's not someplace that I want to be," she said, speaking through a mask into a telephone for a court transcriber. "But I have to disagree with you, sir, when you say that I'm selfish. Because feeding my kids is not selfish."

Luther told the judge she opened her business out of desperation after she was unable to earn any sort of living for over a month. While she noted that she successfully secured a loan from the federal government under the Paycheck Protection Program, that money didn't come through until May 3. Intended to provide funding to small businesses closed by government orders, the program has been plagued by errors

"I've got hairstylists that are going hungry because they'd rather feed their kids," Luther said. "So sir, if you think the law is more important than kids getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut the salon."

Government efforts across the U.S. to enforce social distancing are increasingly failing. Americans are growing more anxious and depressed as a result of losing their jobs and their right to recreate freely in most public places. In Luther's case, the COVID-19 shutdown has taken a devastating economic toll. Workers everywhere are wondering how they will get by at a time when earning a living the only way they know how is suddenly illegal.

Due to the lack of testing capacity, social distancing is currently America's best strategy for beating back the spread of the novel coronavirus. Government officials at the local, state, and federal levels failed to prepare for a world in which they put people out of work in the middle of March but could not provide financial relief to them for more than a month afterward. Luther speaks for many Americans when she says the choice imposed on her—possibly contract or spread COVID-19, or definitely watch her children go without food—necessitated an act of civil disobedience. 

Moyé further ordered that Luther publicly concede that the "proper way to engage concerns" is to "hire a lawyer" and advocate for "exceptions or an amendment to laws" that Luther finds disagreeable. But that's a slow approach to a problem Luther clearly felt required more urgent action. Hungry kids can't wait for the litigation process to run its yearslong course.

What's more, the judge's one-size-fits-all suggestion comports with his one-size-fits-all punishment: You pay an outlandish fine, and we put you in a cage. The sentence imposed is possibly a greater threat to public health than Luther's disobedience, as America's jails and prisons are now the country's largest COVID-19 outbreak centers. And the thousands of dollars in fines is equally merciless, particularly when considering that Luther's entire case hinged on her inability to provide for her children. 

Minutes before Moyé's ruling, Gov. Greg Abbott (R) announced that salons will be permitted to reopen on Friday. Hairstylists across the state will start heading back to work. Luther will be sitting in jail.

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  1. FWIW, both Governor Abbott and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton have publicly ripped the judge’s decision:

    From that cite:

    In a letter to state District Judge Eric Moyé, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton called Shelley Luther’s sentencing outrageous.

    “The trial judge did not need to lock up Shelley Luther,” Paxton wrote. “His order is a shameful abuse of judicial discretion, which seems like another political stunt in Dallas. He should release Ms. Luther immediately.”…

    …Texas Gov. Greg Abbott also weighed in, calling Judge Moyé’s sentencing excessive.

    “As I have made clear through prior pronouncements, jailing Texans for non-compliance with executive orders should always be the last available option,” Abbott said in a statement.

    Good. I don’t know what they can do to Judge Moye, but I hope they make his life unpleasant.

    1. If Abbott were serious he should demand the Board of Pardons and Paroles address this immediately, stating he will approve their recommendation for full pardon.

    2. Has Abbot issued a pardon?

      1. ^This^

        Until he does it’s just empty words.

        1. Rescinding the executive order also would be acceptable.

          1. Abbott stopping Clay Jenkins would be awesome.

        1. I was just gonna ask that and you answered this with the link, looks like he has to wait for the board to weigh in first. Maybe he could order DPS to take her into protective custody until they meet and then they could release her into home detention?

          1. Have to be careful in Texas though, the DA in Austin whom I assume is a Democrat, can charge the governor with any crime they want and drag him before a judge like they did with Perry.

            1. Maybe the governor can simply let it be known that he’ll look the other way after a lynch mob comes along and strings up the judge, or repossesses his head via guillotine

      2. my thoughts exactly. If he actually believes this then he’d have done it

    3. Not so fast, folks – did the judge send his cop-thugs to arrest this woman? Did the judge file charges against her? Did the judge haul her in front of himself for a hearing? All those “social distancing orders” started with the actions of the governor and the state attorney general. Now they’re the ones criticizing the judge for carrying them out.

      1. Exactly. The Politicians are scrambling because they look bad, so they try to throw their own acts of tyranny on the judge. Otherwise, they would be criticizing him if he started letting people off with nothing. The Politicians are the reason this whole thing happened.

    4. District Judge Eric Moyé is running for reelection in November.

      Remind voters about this.

      1. Dallas is bluer than the sky. He doesn’t have a thing to worry about as a Democrat.

        1. I predict that another Democrat will get his seat on the bench — the local Party leadership will want to dodge the blowtorch that he just lit.

    5. Nonsense. The Governor’s orders are why she is in jail. Criminal Governor should be the one in jail! Destroying people’s ability to provide for themselves and families. Don’t believe that suddenly the Governor has seen the error of his ways. He just looks bad and doesn’t like that.

    6. So her shop was open.
      However it could only pose a public risk if the public was in the shop. Were there any customers? Surely everyone has heard of the covid by now, so all risks taken are informed risks.

      So what of the societal risk that arises from the judge imposing the risk of disease contagion in prison for a week, followed by release. Seems like the judge’s decision is the greater of the two.

  2. “A society cannot function where one’s own beliefs in a concept of liberty permits you to flaunt your disdain for the rulings of duly elected officials,” said a masked Moyé,

    Prétty éasy to guéss whéré this sack of quivéring shit would have sidéd in thé Dréd Scott and Korématsu décisions.

  3. >>flaunt your disdain for the rulings of duly elected officials

    you eat when I say, woman.

    1. She was nicer to the judge than I would have been. I would have said that Tyranny is sometimes dressed as a Governor or as a Judge. And since the Governor is preventing people from working to eat and the Judge is enforcing that nonsense, they are both Tyrants. I would have told the Judge that, of course, he never missed HIS paycheck.

      1. The politicians who have made these rules, and the police who are enforcing them, aren’t missing their paychecks, and neither are the journalists who have created this panic.

    2. I would have told him, I will eat in jail and YOU get to pay for it.

  4. Prior to sentencing Luther, Moyé gave her the opportunity to admit “the error of [her] ways” in exchange for a fine instead of incarceration, which he said she had “so clearly earned.”

    Compelled speech is not free speech.

    1. She should have said, “Give me Liberty or Give me Death!”
      Patrick Henry would have been proud.
      Stand up to Tyrants.
      They can’t lock up the entire business community.
      But most are sheep.

      1. You are damn right he would have been. I’m proud even for what she did say.

  5. “A society cannot function where one’s own beliefs in a concept of liberty permits you to flaunt your disdain for the rulings of duly elected officials,” said a masked Moyé, addressing Luther from the bench. The Dallas entrepreneur would need to formally apologize to those elected officials, he said, who she “disrespected by flagrantly ignoring and in one case defiling their orders.”

    Fuck off, slaver. It would be a real shame if this shit swizzling cunt were to fall victim to an unfortunate wood chipper accident.

    Honestly, there might even be tears. /sarc

    1. I listened to him read the sentence and thought ‘what a mean-spirited sociopath.’

      Go read his bio. Among other things, he’s a Democrat.

      You know, the party of working people and decency.

      1. The guy represent to be some sort of champion if civil rights.

        1. I don’t think he knows what it means.

          1. As a Democrat, he thinks that means using taxpayer money to give entitlements to minorities.

      2. Whenever I see that quote it just reminds me of the royal magistrate from Braveheart.

        “Fall to your knees. Confess you crimes and beg for mercy, and you shall have it.”

        Or something like that, I forget how the exact quote goes. Fucker clearly considers himself and other government officials to be superior to everyone else.

        1. And he’ll continue doing so.
          I mean, he’s not wrong.
          He won’t suffer for these actions.

          And it will continue that way unless his, and/or people’s like him, blood is spilled

        2. remind me what happened to that magistrate again? >:(

      3. Only his. And only briefly.

      4. ‘what a mean-spirited sociopath’

        As so many judges are.

      5. Don’t act like a GOP judge wouldn’t have put here in jail.
        They are called the UniParty for a reason.
        Judges cover for politicians all the time.

    2. Careful, one wouldn’t want to violate social distancing rules while operating that wood chipper lest they find themselves in jail.

      1. Preet looks to revive his career reading the comments here.

        I’m trying to behave.

        Whatever happened to that twat Katherine Forrest? Working in some law firm?

        1. “Whatever happened to that twat Katherine Forrest?”

          This one?

          Not doing too badly. So it goes

          1. Yeh her. Let’s have fun with her bio. Because I’m immature.

            “Katherine B. Forrest is a former U.S. District Judge for the Southern District of New York and former Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Antitrust Division of the U.S. Department of Justice derp. During her tenure on the bench, Ms. Forrest presided over a diverse range of matters including the infamous woodchipper incident when she sent attack poodle Preet Bharara to bully people for exercising their right to free speech for calling her names.

            She has significant experience in complex litigation (including in the areas of thin-skinned douchery, antitrust, pharmaceutical, financial services, toxic tort and toxic masculinity, intellectual property and significant employment matters), as well as criminal matters and investigations and has no qualms over abusing her power.

            Over the course of her 28-year career, and it’s a doozy, she has been regarded as a leader in legal issues (she even laid down one of the most egregious ruling this side of Pismo Beach in her notorious Silk Road ruling) relating to technology, including the digital environment, silk roads, high‑speed trading and content distribution (from both the content provider and distributor sides).

            She has recently given speeches on big data and artificial intelligence which she’s uniquely qualified to discuss.

            In her spare time her hobbies include skiing, feeding the sick and poor and woodchopping.

      2. “What social distances rules? It is just me and my wood chipper. I’ll clean up that mess.”

    3. Can someone be found guilty of violating social distancing mandates posthumously? Also, would that be 6 ft. from the center of mass or, if their death rendered them more of a fine mist, 6 ft. from the edge of the cloud? Asking for a friend.

      1. Were you six feet away from me as you typed?

    4. It’s like a witch trial, or the fucking Inquisition. “Confess to your wrong deeds and repent, and the Lord may give you forgiveness.”

      You are not my lord, asshole, and I am not chattel. If you’re going to lock me up for exercising my freedom, you’ll need to find a bigger prison.

  6. I’m glad the governor and AG weighed in. Seems like people do have conscience.

    We watched this earlier today. My wife – an apolitical teacher – watched with her jaw dropped. She related with another woman on the outrageousness arrogance of the judge. He didn’t seem to care one whit of what she was saying. He was looking for her to submit.

    This is what we call losing the plot and the cure being way worse than the disease. And yet, you still read immoral degenerates with no sense of true justice cheer this ridiculous judge on.

    He should resign. Now.

    He has no soul.

    The kicker? None of this lockdown is backed by any kind of science. Not the social distancing. Not the masks. Nothing.

    And go look up that guy in England ‘Professor Lockdown’. This is who the sheep followed over the cliff.

    1. “He should resign. Now.”

      The French had a method for forcing resignation upon politicians who shared this judge’s opinions on how the little people should behave.

      1. Go on….

      2. But this is the 21st century. We have woodchippers.

        1. But green is the new thing. And ropes are reusable.

      3. I wouldn’t mind it if he eventually shared the same fate as his fellow fascist, Mussolini.

        1. Or Ceaucescu.

        2. personally I’d be ok if he copied Hitler and unlived himself.

    2. The face mask is finally slipping.

      1. He looked foolish in it. But I guess it makes sense a judge would accept the authority of the medical bureaucrats. All brothers in arms I suppose.

        I bet you he had a nice fat pay deposited in his bank account as he sentenced that woman.

    3. Oh yes. On all the “normal” sites, they’re lynching this woman and applauding the judge.

    4. No they don’t have a soul. They looked bad and so they act all outraged and it is the Governor’s fault she is in court! Someone tell the Governor to shut up and sit down. You are guilty, sir! You have destroyed jobs and businesses left and right for no good reason. You should be impeached for your actions, at a minimum.

    5. Professor lockdown, the guy who was demanding that everyone else stay at home, while he banged his girlfriend?
      What a douchebag.

  7. You cannot afford to feed your kids today? Hire a lawyer and wait for the process to complete sometime in the next year or two. Or pay $7000 now as a fine. Oh, you cannot pay the fine? Fine, we’ll double it.

    1. In North Bay, Ontario the cops handed out an $880 fine to a single mother in a poor area who has been locked up in a shitty apartment with her daughter for over a month for going to the park.

      END THE LOCKDOWN. It’s in immoral territory now.

      1. It always has been, right from the start. It had the fig leaf of “flattening the curve”, but that has long since evaporated.

        1. Now it’s ‘second waves!’ and ‘too soon’!

          As one famous beloved animated figure once said:

          Aaaaahhhhh shhhhaaaaaadaaaap!

      2. Hasn’t it been there a while, Rufus? My view may be biased, though; I live in the People’s Democratic Republic of New Jersey. Our governor, upon hearing that people weren’t following social distancing rules, actually said, “I’m not happy,” like we should care how he feels.

        1. Right now the latest foolish trend among politicians is they think they can *manage* and *gradually* open the economy. In my business we’re opening with so many conditions – with inspectors coming to waste our time as we try to rebuild our business – that it’s actually probably better to just get the government pay my rent and not open. It’s just not worth it. Dumb people are telling us how to run our businesses. It’s ludicrous. Either we open or stay closed. One or the other. Now, it’s clear the former must happen. So it’s simple: Give the guidelines and step aside.

          Ireland stupidly shut down pubs throughout the summer. It’s BANANAS.

          1. Ireland without pubs? So much for tourism.

            1. So much for the Irish.

              1. The snakes, on the other hand, are ready for a comeback.

  8. She’s getting the last laugh—her GoFundMe page has already raised $300,000. Plenty of money to restore her business and pursue a lawsuit.

    1. This restores at least some of my faith in humanity. Not all, because too many people like this judge still exist, but still.

    2. Well you just fucked her. GoFundMe is as bad as Twitter and Facebook. She will submit.

    3. Or just pocket it, split it with the judge, and nobody’s the wiser, eh?

  9. Where’s the ACLU in all this?

    1. Where they’ve been for decades—under the table sucking government dick.

      1. DNC dick*

    2. Figuring out their “Trannies have a right to use any restroom they please.” position?

  10. I bet you the national media ain’t touching this one. A black judge throwing the book at a salon women who wants granny to die?

    NYT/WaPo editorial: Pass.

    1. Why would they pass? You just (mostly) wrote their headline for them:

      Heroic Black Judge Throws the Book at a Greedy, Selfish Salon Owner Who Wants Granny to Die

      1. Lol. You’re right!

      2. You forgot to call her Karen.

      3. Or a NY Post headline, “Masked Black Man Assaults White Woman Again”.

  11. Gotta love the suggestion to “hire a lawyer” being given to a woman who just told you she can’t afford to feed her kids…

    1. What he means is that only the rich should expect justice.

  12. I’ll bet Moye was getting a paycheck.

  13. That is one stupid judge.

    1. Why stupid, when evil will suffice?

  14. Watching that video reminded me of nothing more than the exchange between Antigone and her king.

    Now, tell me thou-not in many words, but briefly-knewest thou that an edict had forbidden this?

    I knew it: could I help it? It was public.

    And thou didst indeed dare to transgress that law?

    Yes; for it was not Zeus that had published me that edict; not such are the laws set among men by the justice who dwells with the gods below; nor deemed I that thy decrees were of such force, that a mortal could override the unwritten and unfailing statutes of heaven. For their life is not of to-day or yesterday, but from all time, and no man knows when they were first put forth.

    Not through dread of any human pride could I answer to the gods for breaking these. Die I must,-I knew that well (how should I not?)-even without thy edicts. But if I am to die before my time, I count that a gain: for when any one lives, as I do, compassed about with evils, can such an one find aught but gain in death?

    So for me to meet this doom is trifling grief; but if I had suffered my mother’s son to lie in death an unburied corpse, that would have grieved me; for this, I am not grieved. And if my present deeds are foolish in thy sight, it may be that a foolish judge arraigns my folly.

    Antigone was obeying the ancient duty of a sister to bury her dead brother, while this woman was obeying her need to provide for her children. Thankfully this petty tyrant could not sentence her to die, so this is more farce than tragedy (although a $7k fine might seem closer to death for anyone living on a cosmetician’s pay.)

    1. Antigone was obeying the ancient duty of a sister to bury her dead brother,

      Nonsense. You’re reading this story out of context. Creon may as well have been asking a piece of furniture that could answer him whether it was still useful. Women have never been empowered until Seth McFarlane made a joke about Harvey Weinstein at the Oscars.

      1. Yeah, and isn’t it funny how the people who want to do away with the Classics are also the very same people on the wrong side of the principles laid out within them?

        1. I mean, how can one not see how these things echo through time. I cannot read “But if I am to die before my time, I count that a gain: for when any one lives, as I do, compassed about with evils, can such an one find aught but gain in death?” without hearing “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

  15. social distancing is currently America’s best strategy for beating back the spread of the novel coronavirus. </blockquote?
    Counsel assumes facts not in evidence, Your Honor.

    1. Shit. Blockquote fail.

      1. Comprehension little delayed 🙂

    2. Beat me to it!

      Amazing that a mere conjecture, based on nothing but assumptions and the results of untested based on unknown premises and fed with very fragmentary data are held to produce guaranteed results.

      1. That’s “untested *models* based on…”

  16. “Judge, I would like to say that I have much respect for this court and laws, and that I’ve never been in this position before, and it’s not someplace that I want to be,” she said, speaking through a mask into a telephone for a court transcriber. “But I have to disagree with you, sir, when you say that I’m selfish. Because feeding my kids is not selfish.”

    “I’ve got hairstylists that are going hungry because they’d rather feed their kids,” Luther said. “So sir, if you think the law is more important than kids getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut the salon.”

    In a sane and just world this woman’s face would appear on coins or paper money in a few years. Of course, in a sane and just world none of this would have been necessary.

  17. He just created a martyr that others will rally around

    1. Ultimately what he and the hairdresser conspired to do was provide entertainment for us.

  18. No, if food was the problem, the proper way to engage it is to get it from a food bank.

    1. If she has a job that can provide for her family, and WANTS to work instead of receive charity, why shouldn’t she? Or were you using sarcasm?

      1. No sarcasm, just pragmatism. If her point was to make a show, fine. But if she sincerely was just lacking food money, there’s a direct solution to that.

        She wants to work, has a job, but temporarily isn’t allowed to do it. By the time all that dragged thru the courts and enriched the lawyers, she could’ve worked around the problem.

        At least that’s what Harry Browne would’ve done. Freedom in an unfree world.

        1. Except it didn’t take that long, she opened her salon and made money basically instantly. That’s even faster than going down to the handouts line.

          She now has a legal problem, but her solution to “I need money for food” was indeed the fastest one. Salons tend to have a lot of cash transactions, she probably left with enough cash to feed her kids for a bit, and that $7k fine is going to take a long time to get enforced if it ever does.

          1. How is going to a food bank any more time consuming than going to a grocery with cash? Meanwhile what the judge suggested (of course a judge, who’s a lawyer, wants to make more business for lawyers as a class) would’ve taken effectively forever.

            1. have you seen the lines for the Texas food banks? They’re pretty insane, people waiting for hours. And now we’re starting to see food shortages.

            2. Is there a rent bank too? How about a car payment bank? Or a health insurance premiums bank? You get the idea.

              Most people understood what she meant when she said feed her kids. It wasn’t limited to just food.

              1. Right, “blessed are the cheesemakers” is not just about those that make cheese, but a metaphor for the whole dairy industry.

    2. Where does she go to find a dignity bank?

      Bit isn’t i funny how the sorts so worried about addressing people by the correct pronoun and various other micro-aggrssions are indifferent to other sorts of people or their more ordinary concerns.

      1. Dignity comes from your own head, and goes into your own head. You do what you need to do, who cares who else thinks what about it?

        1. Brilliant.

          Do you not see that meeting her obligations and providing for her family is part if her sense of dignity?

          Now do her sense of autonomy.

          1. What’s wrong with thinking, I want to work but the judge won’t let me, so I’ll do something else to meet my family obligations? Because being in jail won’t meet my family obligations.

            It’s the same as if someone robbed her at gunpoint. No, just shoot me, that’s better than handing over the money? You do the smart thing, not the thing that gets you in the papers.

            Would it be better if she weren’t being robbed at gunpoint? Sure. But it would also be better if she were rich, famous, and good looking.

            1. Way to avoid the issue.

              Lay down and think of England is the best you got.

              1. If the issue is jail, yeah, way to avoid the issue!

                  1. Indeed, usually when you’re ordered to jail, the alternative is getting killed!

                  2. Thomas, all you’re doing is making the pig happy.

                    1. It’s become something more of an anatomization of the statist mindset.

            2. So it’s:
              “Give me liberty….
              Unless some scumbag judge want’s to throw me in jail?
              I think the quote is a bit different.

  19. Seriously, with all the food given away in this world, why not take advantage of it? You feed your children, you give the people running the food bank something to do, everybody’s happy — even the judge!

    1. Safe to say that, at least as far as cocktail party games go, Roberta is the one who goes full Nazi.

      1. What’s Nazi about doing what best feeds your family and doesn’t get anybody mad at you? And keeps you out of jail, and satisfies people’s sense of charity? Haven’t we seen complaints that food bank operators have nothing to do, because nobody’s going hungry?

        1. What is Nazi about it is you won’t let her make the decision.

          1. What do I have to do with that? We’re commenting on a story that’s already done. I got no power over her decisions, just giving people advice on what to do if they find themselves in a similar situation.

            1. Ok so you’re an Aspie.

              1. Could be. But it seems to me a lot of the people arguing with me are sadists. Imagine a world in which this hairdresser solves her problem without going to jail. Seems the people arguing with me are less happy in that world. They get more enjoyment out of a world with more suffering.

                They’d cheer on the hairdresser as a matter of, “Let’s you and him fight.” Sacrificing her welfare for their sense of righteousness.

                Reminds me of when I was an anti-draft activist 40 years ago and the others were discussing counseling people in such a way as to try to produce celebrated cases instead of just not getting caught. Sure, make them your playthings, huh?

                1. Imagine a world where Roberta doesn’t battle strawmen but instead admits she wants people to knuckle under to the state.

                  So people should just accept whatever, be it a ban on all abortions, or mandatory religion, or whatever, just go along to get along, right Roberta?

                  1. No, silly! You fight where you can win, and you surrender when you can’t, or when the cost of winning is greater than that of surrender. Even dogs and cats know this, but their judgment is a lot worse than ours. (See the YouTube of the house cat sizing up the bobcat thru the window glass.)

                    1. For instance, if she could have found out what the judge was going to order, and assassinated him before he could issue it, and not get caught, that’s an outcome I would’ve preferred. We would never have heard about it here, because it’d just be a judge who died of unknown cause.

                      But when you don’t have the advantage of stealth, and the other side has overwhelming force, you should submit.

                    2. ” you surrender when you can’t, or when the cost of winning is greater than that of surrender.”

                      That being exactly how most people, in fact, did go Nazi. Or Vichy, at the very least.

                    3. “.. and not get caught…”

                      That is telling. You really don’t get any of this.

                      Die I must,-I knew that well (how should I not?)-even without thy edicts. But if I am to die before my time, I count that a gain: for when any one lives, as I do, compassed about with evils, can such an one find aught but gain in death?

                      Antigone knew what she was doing, knew she would be found out, knew what would happen, but did it anyway. Because she also knew she was in the right.

                    4. ThosD, you’re really excellent at volunteering someone else to go down fighting for you.

                2. “it seems to me”

                  I’ll stop you right there.

                  You miss idioms, and turns of phrase, and in so doing fail to appreciate both their cultural origin and behavioral significance. You notice I said “miss” but what mean specifically (because you are an Aspie and you’ll misindera
                  stand and think I meant “don’t see visually and read”) is that you FAIL TO UNDERSTAND. So what you see is of no value to me, because you a patently incapable of even grasping the issues at play here.

    2. I believe that “feeding the kids”, like “putting food on the table” and “bringing home the bacon”, might be taken as a form of metonymy rather than taken literally. It might seem odd, depending on your cultural background, that some people have a sense of pride in being able to provide for themselves and their families and feel a sense of shame in taking charity, they would much rather have a job than a handout. It makes them feel useful and necessary rather than helpless and non-essential.

      1. Sure, as you wrote, pride in being able to provide for themselves and their families. If you’re prevented thru no fault of your own from doing so, why would that affect your pride?

        It’d be the same if she had an injury that prevented her from working. Like maybe an auto accident that was somebody else’s fault, or a natural distaster like a rock falling on her. She’d be no more able to stop that than she would be to keep a judge from making a mean ruling against her. Why’s it any different?

        As to shame for taking charity, if that’s what it takes, give me all the shame you can spare, I want stuff! Somebody I knew gave me an old car to help me settle in here. Now that it’s essentially irreparable (brake line replacement more than it’d be worth), I’d be very pleased if someone gave me another, because I’m not making enough money to buy one.

        1. So, just so I’m clear, you’re wondering why emotions aren’t logical?


          1. I guess so. Albert Ellis did a lot of work trying to align our emotions better with our logic.

            1. You – “why can’t women juat ignore PMS”

              1. There are certain things that can be taken care of medically. I don’t see what that’s got to do with societal problems — except to the extent we could solve them by poisoning our enemies. 😉

                1. Oh ok you’re SQRLSY/alphabet troll/Hihn.

                  Fuck off shit eater.

        2. By the way, I’m serious about that. If anybody has a car to donate, I want it, to share with my housemate who also can’t afford one. I’m in Andover, NJ. I can supply my address if you’re interested.

          And if not a car, I’ll take money. I can take PayPal, but if you want to mail me a check, I’d appreciate that too. I’m

        3. “If you’re prevented thru no fault of your own from doing so, why would that affect your pride?”

          She wasn’t merely prevented. She was punished for attempting to do otherwise. Something you have yet to condemn.

          1. Duh, and I haven’t complained about the cold weather here, either!

          2. I hereby condemn the mean judge’s rotten order! Where do I sign?

            1. Fuck off SQRLSY.

  20. disrespected by flagrantly ignoring and in one case defiling their orders

    Like the way he flagrantly ignored the constitution and then wiped his ass with it?

    1. He can do that because he’s one of the Top Men, appointed via a very important process. He can be trusted to decide when it’s appropriate to follow processes or not.

      The salon owner is a little person and can’t be trusted to make those decisions for herself. She needs betters, like the judge, to make sure she lives her life the right way.

  21. If I didn’t live in the next county over I’d vote for her in any elected position she cared to run for. Why isn’t the libertarian party trying to recruit her?

  22. Due to the lack of testing capacity, social distancing is currently America’s best strategy for beating back the spread of the novel coronavirus.

    Come on. We can’t “beat back the spread.” This virus spreads like wildfire, and almost all of us are going to get it. All we’re doing by locking down is delaying that inevitability.

    We need to stop freaking out about it and instead open up and take what comes, while taking certain common-sense precautions, protecting our most vulnerable, and giving the best care possible to the small percentage who are hit hard by it.

    We also need to ignore the stupid government mandates/dictates and stop consuming hysteria-fomenting media.

    I mean, really. Are we resilient, independent, and courageous, or are we . . . doomed?

    1. Exactly right.

    2. It’s amazing to me how stupid people are. The moment it hit pandemic level I said “well, I hope we catch it sooner than later and be done with it.” Once it hits that point we’re basically all going to catch it and mitigation for the at risk is what’s necessary. I was actually ok with a 2 week shutdown to get a handle on what we’re dealing with and slow the spread while prepping for how to deal with it. Lockdowns anywhere where cases aren’t stressing the healthcare system aren’t beneficial and are plainly more destructive than the virus. A vaccine won’t exist any time soon and there’s apparently already mutations that would defy the attempt at a vaccine. People need to stop being pussies and go back to living normally. They are welcome to take whatever precautions they want but have no right to impose it on everyone else

  23. agreed with this statement: ‘Feeding My Kids Isn’t Selfish’

  24. How quick the courts are to punish, how slow slow slow to finally resolve the matter.

  25. The bottle-blonde dumbass is in jail, perhaps destined to lose the licenses that enable her business to operated.

    Texas’ Republican leaders are yapping impotently.

    A bunch of disaffected clingers are ranting inconsequentially.

    A great day for America.

    1. Asshole bigot showing just how much he’s willing to crawl on his knees.
      Descent people would be embarrassed. Not asshole, here

    2. Holy shit you’re evil.

      1. Amazing isn’t it, that there are people who think this way, these self-righteous propagandist-spreading evil little snitches.

  26. The gofundme amount is close to $500K; she got a heaping helping of my money. Let’s step up to the plate!
    Except for knee-crawling, bootlicking, scumball asshole bigots, that is. We’re sure they’ll lick the floor where their betters walk.

    1. ‘Feeding My Kids Isn’t Selfish’

      Good to know that Conservatives support the suicide bombers in the Middle East whose families are looked after if the bomber volunteers.

      1. Interesting that you would confuse the two scenarios.

      2. “Good to know that Conservatives support the suicide bombers in the Middle East whose families are looked after if the bomber volunteers.”

        Sarc or stupidity?

  27. God bless Shelly Luther for standing up to a “corrupt” government, “Judicial system”, and the paid for researchers and doctors by pharmaceutical companies. She made a stand and did not back down. The idiot Judge gave her a week in jail, up to a $3,500 fine and shutting the business down! I propose we are no longer a country of freedoms but rather a fascist state. We, too have had to make decisions of whether to pay our bills or buy food. We are retired and cannot work overtime; we get what we get. We’ve gotten no real income increase in 2 years. Retired people are falling further and further behind. Perhaps this is part of the overall plan.

  28. First, the shut-down is a violation of rights. No one who values their freedom should obey. If only Shelly Luther disobeys, she is justified and 330 million are wrong to submit.
    Second, Shelly is wrong to say she is not selfish. She is. She should be proud of that fact. She should read “The Virtue of Selfishness”.

  29. I really wish people (especially a judge) would stop saying that “it’s the law.” No it’s not. It’s a decree by a governor. Did the legislature write it, debate it and pass it, to be signed into law by the governor? If the answer is no, then it’s not a law.

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