Coronavirus

Let People Go Outside

Many public health experts say the benefits outweigh the risks.

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"If I get corona, I get corona," mused Florida spring breaker Brady Sluder in a now-infamous March interview with CBS. "At the end of the day, I'm not going to let it stop me from partying."

Sluder, with his sun-tinged face and backwards cap, probably didn't realize that he'd become an unwitting mascot for the perils of ignoring social distancing. Policies discouraging nearly every form of public interaction—from widespread restaurant closures to a prohibition on big box retailers selling paint—have popped up across the country in an attempt to curb the coronavirus. Some of those policies still make sense. 

Closing outdoor spaces does not. That includes the beaches in Florida, which have slowly begun reopening on a county-by-county basis. 

Predictably, the move wasn't without backlash. "The trouble is, Florida's not known for 'good' or 'safe,'" writes Diane Roberts, a professor of English at Florida State University, in a Washington Post op-ed. Citing the derisory "Florida man" stereotype, who is known for his ridiculous antics and disregard for the law, Roberts concludes that Floridians simply cannot be trusted with the privilege of going to the beach in times like this.

But Roberts does not cite any infectious disease specialists, who are trained to analyze the risks of such situations using science, not stereotypes. What do those experts have to say?

"It bugs me to see these restrictions on people being outside," said Edward Nardell, a professor in the departments of Environmental Health and Immunology and Infectious Diseases at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Nardell told Slate that he favors opening the beaches, so long as social distancing rules are put in place and enforced.

And no beach has reopened in Florida without social distancing guidelines. Jacksonville, the first city to open the proverbial floodgates, has banned sunbathing and prohibited beachgoers from bringing coolers, grills, and chairs. Organized beach sports are also forbidden. Put differently, you are allowed to walk or jog on the beach, and you are allowed to go swimming.

The beach is no bogeyman when beachgoers follow social distancing guidelines. Indeed, it might even be safer than a busy urban sidewalk, where individuals don't always have the luxury of staying six feet apart. Of course, even sidewalks are not necessarily that high of a risk. According to Daniel Kuritzkes, the chief of the infectious disease division at Brigham and Women's Hospital, "I don't think there's a real concern" about catching COVID-19 from walking past someone. Kuritzkers told Boston Magazine that such brief interactions—if you can even call them that—carry low risk for COVID-19 transmissions, though it's still recommended that everyone dons a face mask.

Many parks were also shuttered when the coronavirus first hit the U.S. Recently, some states and localities have started gradually lightening those restrictions. Low-income residents probably stand to gain the most from that, since they often lack large, comfortable living spaces to retreat to when practically all other corners of society are blocked off from public use. While everybody benefits from getting outside, the advantages are perhaps even greater for those who have been forced to shelter in place in small, crowded homes.

But the science hasn't swayed every lawmaker. Florida's beaches reopening virtually coincided with Orange County, California closing theirs after photos showed Huntington Beach and Newport Beach both teeming with sunbathing visitors. The knee-jerk reaction is understandable. But perhaps Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) could have avoided a prohibition in favor of a more measured approach, one with enhanced social distancing guidelines.

"If you're swimming more than 6 feet away from people, you're probably reasonably safe," Michael Buchmeier, a professor of infectious diseases at the University of California, Irvine, told The Guardian. "The virus is very sensitive to ultraviolet light and very sensitive to heating. It's not likely to survive in heat and sunlight." 

Lucky for residents of Florida, California, and many other states, their beaches have plenty of both.

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  1. I didn’t peg Binion as the MAGA type.

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    2. The thought of pegging Binion is . . . nauseating to put it politely.

    3. Binion doesnt live in a Non-Blue state so he doesnt even know that millions of America s have already told the tyrannical government agents to fuck off and going about activities as they see fit.

      We have been going about in Georgia for weeks. Beaches, mountains, stores, businesses…. all open.

  2. When Israel was in Egypt’s land
    Let my people go
    Oppress’d so hard they could not stand
    Let my people go

    Of course, just the people of color. For the whites to claim oppression would be cultural appropriation. Plus, us Celts burn like a son-of-a-bitch.

  3. Many public health experts say the benefits outweigh the risks.

    Well thank God the experts we elected to decide for us what’s for our own good are benevolent as well as wise and noble, let us all be grateful for their kindness.

    1. Yea, fuck this utilitarian appeal bullshit.
      “Let” people go outside because we’re not fucking totalitarian subjects

      1. They may let you go outside as long as you behave. It’s a miracle I haven’t thrown something through my TV.

        1. Oh, don’t get me started on those f’ing commercials! All with the tinkling piano music and smiling faces.

          1. I think the worst has been the ones CBS streaming have been running and Entertainment Tonight. Makes me want to puke.

        2. Yeah, beginning to think I haven’t made it clear enough that my rights shouldn’t be violated so trivially.

    2. Being outside, even if it’s just for a walk, is beneficial. Social distancing, however, is still necessary. Wear a mask when you go out in public, and keep the necessary 6 ft or more away from other people.

  4. But the science hasn’t swayed every policymaker.

    Hmmph. You’re only supposed to follow the science when it keeps those people under control. /Karen

    1. Science is only what they agree with, don’t you know? I mean how is this different then the anti-GMO or anti-nuclear power movements?

      1. JESUS CHRIST, THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING THE SCIENCE GODDAMN IT!!!!!

        1. Kind of my fucking point! Didn’t you get the sarcasm?

  5. “But perhaps Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) could have avoided a prohibition in favor of a more measured approach, one with enhanced social distancing guidelines.”

    Expecting Governor Nodick to do anything in a reasonable or measured approach is pointless. The man is a schmuck, and after his stupidity is likely to get chippered in the next election.

    1. Let’s describe what Newsom actually did. He saw people not following his vague orders, threw a fit and put the state back in a timeout. We see the same thing with Lightfoot, Inslee and Whitmer.

      1. don’t forget Kate Brown the Maggotnificent, Blackfast Northam, whoever wears the crown in New Mexico….

    2. after his stupidity is likely to get chippered in the next election.

      A (D) lose an election in CA? Yeah, right.

    3. A very frequently observed characteristic of those, particulalry males, with certain “preferences”, as the ones the Gabbling Nuisance has and practices, is an inordinate penchant for maintaining strict control over others, bossing them around, making certain they have no fun except the fun HE thinks appropriate. Power and control drive such peopple

      1. And the unironically label the right as authoritarians…

      2. If Governor Newson ain’t having fun, ain’t nobody having fun!

    4. A very frequently observed characteristic of those, particulalry males, with certain “preferences”, as the ones the Gabbling Nuisance has and practices, is an inordinate penchant for maintaining strict control over others, bossing them around, making certain they have no fun except the fun HE thinks appropriate. Power and control drive such people

  6. “Many public health experts say the benefits outweigh the risks.”

    Why should it matter what public health experts say?!

    1. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

      Can someone point me to the public health experts exemption in the First Amendment in regards to freedom of assembly? It’s fairly short, and I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

      1. The “General Welfare” clause, which obviates all other Constitutional clauses, rights, and guarantees provided the authorities are genuinely acting in the best interests of the People — which they always are, obviously.

        1. It’s funny when you write stuff like that, but when ostensibly libertarian journalists write shit like that without any hint of sarcasm, it isn’t funny at all.

          1. “Ostensibly” is doing a hell of a lot of work in that sentence

          2. I don’t think Billy has ever claimed to be a libertarian. To be sure.

        2. The “General Welfare” clause, which obviates all other Constitutional clauses, rights, and guarantees provided the authorities are genuinely acting in the best interests of the People — which they always are, obviously.

          You know, they always say shit like that. They DO try to use that ‘general Welfare’ line from the preamble.

          And, one could argue that it was true.

          WAS.

          See, the Constitution was amended. This means that it was changed.

          And it was changed with the purpose of removing such broad discretionary powers.

          In fact, those powers were removed with the First Amendment.

          They are allowed to promote the General Welfare so long as that promotion does not interfere with or establish a religious practice. Or interfere with freedom of speech or of the press. Or of the people to freely assemble. Or of the freedom to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

          I would think the arbitrary taking over of all business in a state might be a grievance.

      2. It is called a compelling government interest Ken. And public health is one of those interests. This shit isn’t hard. The Constitution isn’t what is going to save you here.

        1. >> a compelling government interest

          arguable.

          1. It is. And it gets less arguable every day. But, that is the debate. I wish people understood that.

            1. If people were being compelled by the government to go out on the beach or associate with others who do, that might make more sense. Since they aren’t, it doesn’t.

              “If somebody wants to stay in their house, that’s great. They should be allowed to stay in their house and should not be compelled to leave . . . but to say that they cannot leave their house, and they will be arrested if they do, this is fascist, this is not democratic, this is not freedom. Give people back their goddamn freedom.”

              —-Elon Musk

              https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/05/tesla-stock-plunges-after-musk-tweets-tesla-stock-price-is-too-high/

              Using the coercive power of the state and threats from the police to force your qualitative preferences on people who do not share them is at least half the definition of fascism–regardless of whether you call it a “compelling government interest” or some other bullshit.

              Even Elon Musk gets it.

              1. P.S. There is no estimation of the qualitative best interests of the American people better than that taken from watching what they freely choose to do. Imagining otherwise is practically the definition of elitism.

                Meanwhile, if you’re using the government to compel people to do anything different from what they want to do of their own free will, you have abandoned any pretense at claiming to know or represent their qualitative interests.

            2. But in framing the debate, it should always be noted that the “compelling governmental interest” is not part of the constitution’s text, that it is a construct made-up by the courts, and that the constitution itself does not authorize the courts to balance the liberties protected by the decalogue against the made-up compelling interest.

              BTW, RIP Coach Shula.

            3. Eugenics was a compelling argument per the courts for a decade or two, doesnt make it right.

            4. It’s not a debate so much as an assertion.

        2. Government always believes it has a compelling interest in everything. That’s why the Bill of Rights exists, to clearly list a number of things that the government (initially the feds, but later incorporated to apply to states) can /never/ have a compelling interest in doing. A Bill of Rights that is void when there’s a “compelling government interest” is nothing at all.

        3. Point me to WHERE in the US Constituition anything to do wouth the health of either individuals or po[ulatioins in general is assigned FedGov.

          And don’t give me that carp about “general welfare”. This nonsens is not “general” welfare, it is specific.. and thus NOT what is meant by that phrase.

          WHEN did we cede to either FedGov or our separate State governments the “job” of “keepong us safe” from this or that or anything or everyting? The Second Article of Ammendment is the ONLY place were our “security” is mentioned… (being safe). And in that Article we have the responsibiltu clearly assigned to the PEOPLE, which is WHY the PEOPLE already HAVE the right to arms which cannot be taken from us. Our “safety” is OUR respoinibility, individuall and collectivelhy. It never was to be pawned off onto government. THEIR job is to protect our RIGHTS as detailed in the Bill of Rights, as a starting set.
          But here we have government at all levels interfering with the day to day business and conduct of individuals in ways that would have made our founding generation looking to find more powder and shot, having alreasy expended most of wnat they had already expended their stores against those tyrants closing their churches, meeting halls, businesses, banks, public houses (restaurants), schools, ordered folks to stay INSIDE their homes and not visit or gather…. they’d have NONE OF IT. And don’t tell me nothing like this happened in their day. Plagues, pestilsnces, infestationis, etc, killed a huge percentage of them. Yet they never went into lockdown.

        4. Can’t seem to find those words in the first amendment either, John. And even if I give that inch, the interest would be to quarantine sick people, not healthy.

          Hope you’ve been doin ok through all this. My dad is in VA and said they’re stay at home goes to the middle of June.

        5. There is no real government compelling interest in violating the constitution protected rights of Americans …none.

          There are firmly established exceptions…. declarations of war, suspension of habeas corpus in time of invasion….

          Notice politicians were scared shitless to use terms like martial law or executive suspension of habeas corpus. They tried to use shelter in place and it failed for more than a fee weeks.

          As tyrants are fond of saying, “ the constitution is not a suicide pact”. Its not. You cannot force Americans to follow the constitution. If THE PEOPLE dont want to follow the constitution because the government is acting like tyrant, it is the right of the people to overthrow that tyrannical government and start anew. As in 10th Amendment right. As kn burn it all down and start anew.

          As in Commifornia is trying to force people to wear masks, ya put all state politicians and agents of the state in woodchippers and start anew.

          The state can only criminalize Liberty if you let them. Fuck them.

    2. Why should it matter what public health experts say?!

      Is ‘Public health expert’ an actual job title? The closer we get to ‘Do as I say or die of COVID.’ it sounds more like a mob euphemism. Vinnie’s our… Public Health Expert… he’s here to ensure that everyone does what they’re told, what’s in their best interest, so that nothing unfortunate happens.

  7. Many public health experts say the benefits outweigh the risks.

    But whatever you do, don’t let actual citizens make a decision on their own!

    1. Yassah. Mus’ let de Massah tewl us’ns whut ta DOOOO cuz we ain’ smaht nuff ta figger it aouwt houah sewfs. Bes let ole Massa dessahd fo us’ns

  8. Many public health experts say the benefits outweigh the risks.

    Well, none of those health experts are authoritarian governors.

  9. I wrote yesterday in morning links about the reaction to Newsom’s beach closures in Orange County. It wasn’t just that people defied and ignored his orders. Thousands of angry locals flooded Huntington Beach to denounce Newsom.

    “The crowds gathered a block from the beach, holding signs such as “Recall Newsom” and waving flags.

    Huntington Beach police estimated the crowd size at 2,500-3,000.

    Many of them appeared to be standing close to each other, not obeying the six-foot distancing guidelines issued by the state and most health authorities.

    A line of officers on horseback stood by to contain the crowds to the sidewalks. “

    https://abc7.com/huntington-beach-protest-orange-county-closure-gov-gavin-newsom/6143318/

    If this goes on much longer, they’re gonna have to use those riot cops on horseback (who were in riot gear) against mobs of wealthy white people.

    Huntington Beach median home price according to Zillow is $886,160. This used to be the Land of Nixon and Reagan, and these people will go back to voting for Republicans again if Governor Newsom and his merry band of progressive retards don’t wise up.

    1. “If this goes on much longer, they’re gonna have to use those riot cops . . . against mobs of wealthy white people.”

      The problem with progressives is that they always run out of other people’s rights to violate.

      H/T Maggie

  10. If going outside is good enough for Fergie, its good enough for the rest of us.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/

    Exclusive: Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover

    Prof Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing

    The scientist whose advice prompted Boris Johnson to lock down Britain resigned from his Government advisory position on Tuesday night as The Telegraph can reveal he broke social distancing rules to meet his married lover.

    Professor Neil Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing in order to reduce the spread of coronavirus. The woman lives with her husband and their children in another house.

    The epidemiologist leads the team at Imperial College London that produced the computer-modelled research that led to the national lockdown, which claimed that more than 500,000 Britons would die without the measures.

    Prof Ferguson has frequently appeared in the media to support the lockdown and praised the “very intensive social distancing” measures.

    The revelation of the “illegal” trysts will infuriate millions of couples living apart and banned by the Government from meeting up during the lockdown, which is now in its seventh week.

    On at least two occasions, Antonia Staats, 38, travelled across London from her home in the south of the capital to spend time with the Government scientist, nicknamed Professor Lockdown.

    The 51-year-old had only just finished a two-week spell self-isolating after testing positive for coronavirus.

    1. OK, this is a plot twist dreamed up by some libertarian novelist, isn’t it?

      Not Ayn Rand, she’d think it was too blatant and obvious.

      1. https://hectordrummond.com/2020/03/30/soap-opera-science/

        The Imperial team was originally led by Professor Roy Anderson, leading luminary in the 2001 foot-and-mouth disaster, which is a whole other story that I’m just starting to put together now with the help of a brilliant colleague (and any help on that in the form of recollections and inside knowledge or links would be appreciated). It was Anderson who established Imperial, allegedly in an underhand manner, as the government’s go-to team on communicable disease crises. This was a world rife with intense rivalries.

        Anderson had recently come to Imperial from Oxford. Why did he leave Oxford? Turns out it was, allegedly, mainly because of two things. One, he had allegedly not declared to the Wellcome Trust the fact that he was receiving income from a scientific firm, even though he was a Trustee of the Wellcome trust, and a director of a Wellcome Trust Centre.

        Secondly, he had allegedly publicly claimed that a woman in the Zoology department was only appointed to a Readership (ie. above Senior Lecturer but below Professor), after her five-year Fellowship ended, because she had slept with the head of department, who was on the appointing committee. There were also allegations that he had been a bit of a bully, but his allegation against this lecturer was the main problem, and it got him suspended for two months. In the end he decided to leave for Imperial, which offered him a very good position. He took many of his team with him, including Neil Ferguson.

        I should stress that I have no idea whether any of these allegations, on either side, are true, although I note that the woman won her legal case against Anderson. Yes, it actually went to court, and it was a big deal at Oxford, it wasn’t just a little inter-departmental spat. What I am pointing out is the soap-opera nature of the whole thing. This sort of thing is not at all rare in University science departments (and other departments too), and sometimes it’s worse in the more high-powered ones.

        The crowning glory in this story, though, is this. Who was the woman who Anderson allegedly accused of sleeping her way into an Oxford Readership? Her name was … Sunetra Gupta. Who is now the head of the Oxford team engaged in the bitter struggle against the Imperial team that Anderson set up, and which is still run by his protege, Neil Ferguson.

        1. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked

          In 2005, Ferguson said that up to 200 million people could be killed from bird flu. He told the Guardian that ‘around 40 million people died in 1918 Spanish flu outbreak… There are six times more people on the planet now so you could scale it up to around 200 million people probably.’ In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.

          In 2009, Ferguson and his Imperial team predicted that swine flu had a case fatality rate 0.3 per cent to 1.5 per cent. His most likely estimate was that the mortality rate was 0.4 per cent. A government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a ‘reasonable worst-case scenario’ was that the disease would lead to 65,000 UK deaths.
          In the end swine flu killed 457 people in the UK and had a death rate of just 0.026 per cent in those infected.

          In 2002, Ferguson predicted that between 50 and 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. He also predicted that number could rise to 150,000 if there was a sheep epidemic as well. In the UK, there have only been 177 deaths from BSE.

          On 22 March, Ferguson said that Imperial College London’s model of the Covid-19 disease is based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code, that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus.

          1. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/neil-ferguson-coronavirus-expert-who-is-working-on-despite-symptoms

            Two days after attending the prime minister’s announcement calling for Britain to voluntarily self-isolate, where he stood next to the health secretary, Matt Hancock, Ferguson has the cough and fever symptomatic of Covid-19.

            “Sigh. Developed a slight dry but persistent cough yesterday and self-isolated even though I felt fine. Then developed high fever at 4am today. There is a lot of Covid-19 in Westminster,” he wrote on Twitter.

      2. “Not Ayn Rand, she’d think it was too blatant and obvious.”

        But if she did, it would be done in a 1000 page short story.

        1. Rand couldn’t top the diagram in this tweet.

          https://twitter.com/DamianChenot/status/1257745981749125121

          With some assumptions based on approximate human proportions, his concubine was fairly close to six feet away while committing adultery, depending on position. If they were wearing masks, perhaps they would be within guidelines.

    2. She is pretty cute in the picture. He is a fucking weasel. What the fuck is wrong with women?

      1. she is, he is, and what the fuck is?

      2. Can’t see her teeth in the picture.

        1. By teeth you mean rack and can.

          1. I think it’s a reference to Lisa Page (or whatever Strzok’s mistress is)

      3. He has the power, it always money or power for women like that to be attracted to much older men like him. Or he has a great personality, I don’t really know

      4. What the fuck is wrong with women?

        Many women are attracted to power. What’s more powerful than being to convince an entire nation – or better yet the entire world – to panic in fear of a relatively mild (in most cases) respiratory infection?

    3. “Rules are for those people, not the elites like myself.” – Neil Ferguson (probably)

    4. Too bad he didn’t resign out of shame for his, what 5th or 6th complete overexaggeration of the perils of some new disease, and commit seppuku.

  11. Hey, everyone, it’s Cinqo de Drinqo! Let’s go out, hit the bars, and drink margaritas!

  12. >>Policies discouraging nearly every form of public interaction

    Policies introducing the New Socialism

  13. Why can’t you sunbathe by yourself if you stay away from others, but you can walk around if you stay away from others? Seems like the people walking are spreading their germs over a wider area, while also possibly picking up more germs.

    1. Must . maintain. control……

    2. Seems like they’re trying to have their cake and it eat it too by opening the beaches while simultaneously banning people from doing any of the things that most people go to the beach to do.

      Also, they probably know full well that most people will ignore the prohibition on having fun and give the cops more opportunities to hand out citations. Gotta replace that lost sales tax revenue somehow.

      1. Actual fun police. What a time to be alive!

        1. Woop woop!!!

    3. what these gummit eedjits refuse to remember (because it is SOOO inconvenient to their preferred memes) is that this virus cannot survive in open sunny air for more than at most a hald minute. The ultraviolet sun rays, ozone, oxygen in the air dismantle corona virus cells almost instantly. So, half a minute, max, from eshaling, every virus cell in the breath you just launched is dismantled and useless.

      So WHY cannot people sunbathe on a beach? I can tel you why…
      “BECAUSE WE CAN’T STAND ANYONE HAVING ANY FUN”.

      THE IDIOCY OF THESE “SOCIAL JUSTIC,, ER SQUEEZE ME, SOCIAL DISTANCING “RULES” is beyond comprehension.
      The vast majority of those mases I see in public are either worthless or worse, not properly worn so even if they WERE effective outof the package they are not now, and at best can only reduce by a small percentage the virus being exhaled by the wearer. Worthless to prevent the wearer being infected.

      Normallly exhaled breath moves at about one meter in 1/3 seconds. Thus it takes about two and a half seconds for one person’s breath to travel the six feet. WHAT HAPPENS when we are all, like good little lemmings, standing a fathom apart, and the line advances one “unit”? Right.. everyone in the line is now breathing what the person next to them WAS exhaling two seconds ago. Indoors, that breath can maintain a contagious quantity of this virus for ten to twenty seconds. I am more likelyh to catch this virus standing in line at the post ofice of the Home Cheapo or the grocery store.. all of which are “legal” but not safe, than I am sitting on a park behcn with four other friends whom I know, or sunbathing at Huntington Pier or Scripps Beach.
      This mess has devolved into a game of thrones, power and control version.

      The best outcome possible at this point is that now we have seen conclusivly who all the wanna be kings are… many of them are stumping for election or reelection. Let us hope that, come November, enough of us will remember WHO sold us down the river and make certain they do not retain or gain power.

      1. Hi sqrls!

  14. “The trouble is, Florida’s not known for ‘good’ or ‘safe,'” writes Diane Roberts, a professor of English at Florida State University, in a Washington Post op-ed.”

    It’s not the word ‘Safety’ that is on American coins. It’s ‘Liberty.’

    1. There’s are terms for people who value safety above all else.

      Sometimes they’re call “paranoid”. Sometimes they’re called “agoraphobics”.

      Don’t think I’ve ever heard them called “rational”.

      If we programmed robots to keep us safe and happy above all else, they’d strap us down in rubber rooms and put us on a dopamine drip.

      1. An excellent way to shelter in place, I must say.

      2. or the robots would just kill us as in every robot movie ever made about robots keeping people safe

        1. They’d kill us out of kindness. Since we were the most neurotic species on the planet.

        2. My logic is undeniable.

          1. Yes, but it seems just too… heartless.

      3. >>strap us down in rubber rooms and put us on a dopamine drip.

        “Matrix IV – Chill, Dude”

      4. “put us on a dopamine drip.”

        We’re in shock from blood loss?

      5. “There’s are terms for people who value safety above all else.”

        Women.

        1. More specifically, Karen.

    2. Isn’t that what this whole episode is showing us? That the proggressives/leftists/statists who are largely driving the absurd over reaction are mostly doing so because they are fear driven cowards, who think the government exists to keep them safe from every possible harm, even if that means government inflicting all manner of harms upon others.

      1. Correct

  15. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jim-treacher/2020/05/05/388191-n388191

    As of last count, the entire state of Florida has recorded 1,399 deaths from the virus. Just by way of comparison, how do things look up in New York?

    …New York state is reporting more than 1,700 previously undisclosed deaths at nursing homes and adult care facilities as the state faces scrutiny over how it’s protected vulnerable residents during the coronavirus pandemic.

  16. “If I get corona, I get corona,” mused Florida spring breaker Brady Sluder in a now-infamous March interview with CBS. “At the end of the day, I’m not going to let it stop me from partying.”

    He probably thought the reporter was talking about Corona beer and the possibility that someone might hand him a bottle of Mexican piss water. That is one of the worse things that can happen when you’re trying to party.

    1. Soo, is Brady Sluder dead from KungFlu now? It sure sounds like the takeaway we are supposed to get from that is young Mr. Sluder had a cavalier attitude about the ChinaVirus and then was struck down by the gods for his hubris. Certainly the story can’t be that he went on spring break, didn’t worry about the WuFlu or take any precautions and… nothing else happened, can it?

      1. The splashing sound you hear is the writer’s tears.

      2. Shit if I know, I was just making a snarky joke about how much Corona beer sucks.

        1. Sorry, I didn’t really intend that to be directed towards your comment, but rather the quote from the article. Reading the quote in your comment got met thinking about how stupid that whole episode is/was, and I kind of just instinctively replied to your post.

          1. No worries, it’s all good. Sometimes I just can’t resist making a pithy retort.

      3. No, he didn’t die from it or even come down with it but has been reeducated, I mean, learned his lesson.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/coronavirus-brady-sluder-spring-break.html

    2. Zing!

  17. It’s so disheartening that the libertarian hot take on KungFlu restrictions is “people should be allowed to go outside, provided they wear masks and observe strict social distancing practices.”

    Before people jump in, no, that is not a direct quote. But article after article on Reason is like this. They will defend people’s right to protest, for example, but then throw in a “to be sure, it is disturbing to see CDC social distancing guidelines not followed” or some shit like that.

    1. I’m not entirely sure whether Reason hired a bunch of young progs in disguise, or if this is just a generational thing. I imagine finding a lot of real libertarians to write for almost nothing would be difficult. Whatever the case, this ain’t the Reason I remember from decades ago. But there has been a leftward shift and its annoying.

      1. The hired young proggs and told them to pretend to be libertarian.

    2. There was a flu pandemic from 1968-1969.

      Did anti-draft protesters practice social distancing?

    3. It’s so disheartening that the libertarian hot take on KungFlu restrictions is “people should be allowed to go outside, provided they wear masks and observe strict social distancing practices.”

      Before people jump in, no, that is not a direct quote.

      Hell, for weeks I’ve been mentally substituting ‘armbands’ for ‘masks’. No libertarians are literally calling for people to wear armbands, they just feel that the government should be able to tell people what to wear and they should do it.

  18. Let People Go Outside

    Are there any jurisdictions that actually made it illegal for people to go outside?

    1. Seems they might be headed that way in Chicago. After the mayor spoke about taking violators to jail, she harassed innocent people in a park and told them to go home.

    2. Where I live they’ve been ticketing people. One woman received a ticket for $800 for standing in a public park for too long.

    3. I can’t be arsed to grab links but there was the story about the guy fishing alone, and the guy on his jet ski alone, and the dad playing catch with his son or something. I’ll see if I can find some links later.

    4. Are there any jurisdictions that actually made it illegal for people to go outside?

      No, they’re magnanimously making and keeping it legal for people to be inside.

  19. Many parks were also shuttered when the coronavirus first hit the U.S. Recently, some states and localities have started gradually lightening those restrictions.

    Luckily Colorado’s been slightly saner than some states about that. Parks and open spaces have, IIRC, been open the whole time, albeit with the “social distancing” guidelines in place. Although there was a story a few weeks ago about a father being arrested for playing softball in the park with his daughter but I suspect that was a case of an idiot cop wanting to act like a jack booted thug and get their authoritah boner off, but who knows.

    They even opened back up the golf courses a couple of weeks ago, again with restrictions on social distancing, fewer tee times to keep people more spread out, restaurants closed except for takeout, clubhouses closed except for restrooms, blah, blah, blah. Some allow single rider carts, others are walking only. I played at a course Friday that was not only walking only but also weren’t renting push carts so I had to carry the bag. I haven’t done that in a while, suffice it to say I have a newfound respect for what professional caddies do.

    1. “They even opened back up the golf courses a couple of weeks ago”

      Those furloughed doctors need *some* way to get outdoor exercise! Plus with doctors nearby, the players can get help in medical emergencies.

      1. (Does that old stereotype still hold, by the way? Doctors playing golf?)

        1. I have no idea. I’ve only played golf with doctors a handful of times and I’m an engineer myself. It seems like people from all kinds of walks of life play these days.

          Although I’m sure if you went to super expensive snob-fest country club you’d find a higher percentage of doctors, lawyers, priests, judges, real estate developers, and assorted other rich white guys in ugly hats* playing golf there than at a public course.

          *”Oh, but it looks good on you though!”

  20. “It bugs me to see these restrictions on people being outside,” said Edward Nardell, a professor in the departments of Environmental Health and Immunology and Infectious Diseases at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

    If it “bugs” an infectious disease guy, you know he’s serious.

  21. This entire “pandemic” is fake. It was crated by Trump-haters as a way to prevent his re-election. It is nothing more then a late season flu. It drives me nuts that “Reason” would give any credence to those who spew the virus fear mongering.

    1. Literally nobody here has said that you stupid cunt.

      Jesus Christ, you people can’t even mock us properly.

      1. “The Left can’t meme.”

        Satire, like most humor, requires empathy and understanding of other people. So that you can mock them more effectively. What we’re seeing is a group of people that’s not very good at imagining themselves in the shoes of the other guy, trying to learn what that other guy wants, how he feels, what frightens him. They have ‘concern’ about those other people, give ‘thoughts and prayers’ when they suffer misfortune, but don’t want to know them personally, or even ask them what they want.

        Good humorists do those things, and I guess there aren’t many good humorists on the Left.

  22. What’s the point of allowing swimming and walking, but not sitting or lying down?

    1. Exactly. What about the fish? Some asshole spits in the water and then a fish swims through it. Then that fish takes it back to the school and the whole ecosystem is destroyed.

    2. BWAAHA HA HA!
      If you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand.

    3. Literally nothing makes sense with these lockdowns.

      You can got Home Depot but not a taco.

      It’s retarded and all theatre.

      I just hope people realize how stupid all this is and actually do revert as if nothing happened.

      I dream of the day I won’t have to listen to another fear mongering medical bureaucrat for the rest of my damn life they’ve annoyed me that much.

      Fuck you. I’m going outside. I truly believe they’re HURTING our immune systems.

  23. Get naked, go outside, smoke marijuana and the world will be a better place.

  24. During the 1918 Flu Pandemic, a hospital in Boston was crowded, so they wheeled some of the flu patients outside, and put them in the sun. The article said that the death rate for those left inside was about 40%, but the patients in the sun had a death rate of only 13%. The 1918 Flu is not the same as COVID 19, and this was not a precise study, just anecdotal evidence. But it does indicate that being outdoors has some benefits.

    A study in China found that nearly all traceable cases involved getting infected by someone indoors, but they couldn’t find cases where it happened outside. An MD explained that outside, the air dissipates the viral load quickly, so that four feet of separation outdoors is better than larger distances indoors.

    1. NO! Keep these lockdowns going in perpetuity until forever! Because ‘THE SCIENCE!'(trademark)

  25. The North Carolina went to the beach a few days ago.
    The Illinois governor’s family flew to Florida.
    If it’s good enough to go to the beach for these oppressive fascist pigs, then it’s good enough for the masses.

    1. Will that idiot Lightfoot go medieval on his ass?

      Has anyone else noticed it seems a good portion of these people supporting bootlicking precautionary principle authoritarianism are women?

  26. I come to realize that Brady Sluder is really a prophet.

  27. “If I get corona, I get corona,”

    My sentiment exactly.

    “…Diane Roberts, a professor of English at Florida State University, in a Washington Post op-ed. Citing the derisory “Florida man” stereotype, who is known for his ridiculous antics and disregard for the law, Roberts concludes that Floridians simply cannot be trusted with the privilege of going to the beach in times like this.”

    Ooof the academic smug is strong with this slime.

    Go fuck yourself Karen.

    1. Meh… depends on if you are financially secure enough to stay inside and not get a disease that can kill you. I am so I’m pretty happy getting my week and groceries delivered to me. This new normal is ok with me.

      Quick question: Are you still having problems with your rent payment? My advice– given to me by many members on this board– is to have six months of reserve funds in the bank account. *Everyone* should have that!

      1. I just can’t figure out if you’re parody or really this big a piece of shit.

  28. What’s bat shit crazy are the cra-cra governors of Maine, Michigan and Oregon. The Terrible Troika Triples.

    Maine and Oregon in particular have extremely low cases and deaths and are going full blown lockdown. It’s unreasonable and irrational relative to the actual data and risk.

    And screw your stupid masks. I ain’t wearing one.

    1. So now you fucking assholes are gauging who is a real man by who walks around not wearing a mask. Jesus Christ, how entitled can you get? I hope you explain your philosophy to your nurse, dude.

      1. Incredibly small odds that you will need to see a nurse if you get infected.

  29. Huzzah! Well said! This is the kind of article that I expect to see in a LIBERTARIAN news outlet!

  30. Ruth Bader Ginsberg (87 years old) is in the hospital with gall stones.

    Let’s all . . . um . . . hope for a speedy recovery.

    1. Democrat resources run thin will they keep RBG alive or Biden tough choices

    2. Bet the House is gonna be called back in session soon.

      How fast you think they can throw together the next impeachment?

      Because THAT seat’s still going to be warm when the new justice is seated.

      1. They want Mike Pence to appoint Ginsburg’s successor?

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  35. At a certain point there is only so much you can do. Sure the medicals are going to push in a certain direction because that is what they do. People are what they are and they know that as well.

    My analogy is the guy who goes to the family doc who says “ well your blood pressure is too high, your cholesterol is up and you have a fatty liver. I can prescribe these pills. You also need to get more exercise, cut out the salty and fatty foods, and watch your weight”

    Sure doc. You know he might do some of that. I have high blood pressure. Taking the pill is easy and I try and walk a mile or so each day but I am not giving up those corned beef sandwiches and kosher pickles I love. Life is too short for that. I am one of those Barney Fife types anyway who can eat almost anything although a little around the middle gets there these days.

    So in my state the governor walked back on some “mandatory” restrictions and they will need to keep on doing that. You just can not make people do what they are not willing to do. The government is always outnumbered and they are people just like the rest of us.

    Planning on Sushi delivery tonight from a local place. The big grocery had a sushi bar where they sold fresh made you could get. Ate that about once a week. You can get staples but that part is shut down now and have been craving it for days.

  36. I had ancestors who left France, Germany, and England for the New World (Quebec, Virginia, and Pennsylvania) in the late 1600s and early 1700s. They had to travel on small wooden sailing ships, which were far less safe and not as well sanitized as modern cruise ships or even ocean liners built before WWII.

    The amount of fear in the American public would probably shock ancestors who came to America in even the first half of the 20th Century, let alone those who immigrated during the Colonial period.

    My mother used to say that the only communicable disease that really scared her was polio, because no one fully recovered from polio. At best, a person would walk with a limp or need a cane, but that was rare. More likely a person would be permanently confined to a wheelchair. Then there were those who had to be put into an iron lung, because they disease destroyed their ability to breathe on their own.

    Until the vaccine arrived, a parent’s worst fear was a child with a summer headache.

    So, a 1% mortality rate seems far less scary than what parents went through until the 1950s.

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