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Don't Get Fooled by Fake Photos of Coronavirus Lockdown Protests

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COVID-19 lockdown protests are spreading and so is misinformation about them. As a series of demonstrations against COVID-19 lockdown orders sweep the U.S., protesters have shown wildly varying degrees of responsibility and realism. Some have been staying 6 feet from others or even protesting from within cars, while simply asking for some shutdown leeway for local businesses and entrepreneurs who are willing to take extra steps to keep pandemic-times customers safe. Alas, others have been crowding up against each other in large numbers—without masks or any other precautions—while suggesting that the entire coronavirus outbreak might be a hoax.

Some folks online have started spreading rumors that protesters are paid "crisis actors"—alleging their signs too well-made or similar and that their websites have fishy origins. But we needn't turn to conspiracy theories for an explanation; we've been seeing in real time as the president and his media supporters encourage protests against COVID-19 containment measures, while popular fringe figures like Alex Jones portray the protests as "leading the way against the tyrants." No nefarious backers need to whip out their checkbooks when cult favorites are on the case.

On the flip side, people's revulsion at the more reckless or bratty elements of these protests is setting up social media for a round of fake protest news.

Over the weekend, flyers were posted around Tottenville, Staten Island, advertising an "End the Lockdown Rally." The flyers, which bore President Donald Trump's campaign slogan "Make America Great Again" and a MAGA hashtag, called for people to gather without masks at Conference House Park on April 19, adding "bring your children" and "if you're sick still come, it's your right."

Twitter has been buzzing with condemnations of the protest and the Trump fans who were allegedly organizing it. But whatever the intentions of those who posted it (a political prank, either attempting to make Republicans look dumb and evil; trying to make it look like liberals are trying to make Republicans look dumb and evil; or a genuine attempt to cause chaos and contagion are all possible, I suppose, though in varying degrees of likelihood), no one showed up.

After last week's protest around the Michigan Capitol, a picture of someone holding a large swastika flag that said "TRUMP PENCE" began circulating on social media as a sign of the supposed Nazi leanings of Trump supporters and the people protesting. But after some viral outrage about the kind of people the conservative organizers of these protests were in cahoots with, it turns out that the picture in question actually came from a March 2 Bernie Sanders rally in Boise, Idaho.

The man holding the swastika flag also showed up at a rally in Arizona, where he was kicked out, shouted anti-Semitic slurs at people, and was subsequently reported on by Buzzfeed. He was identified as Robert Sterkeson, who describes himself as a "stunt activist" and the Anti-Defamation League describes as a white supremacist.

It does not seem that the man's flag was meant to be a critical commentary on the Trump administration, as some have suggested, nor a false-flag operation to make Trump supporters look bad. But it also wasn't part of social-distancing protests in Michigan.

Whatever your stance on business shutdowns, stay-at-home orders, and protests against them—I tend to think one can't make any pronouncements on these things at large, as so much depends on the way they're being done and under what local conditions—these stories should serve as a good reminder that the more outlandish and horrific claims about life under COVID-19 quarantine should always be approached a little skeptically at first, especially when they tidily confirm your prior perceptions or fears.


FREE MINDS 

On the COVID-19 era internet, "we are living under an emergency constitution invoked by Facebook, Google, and other major tech platforms," argues Evelyn Douek, an affiliate with Harvard's Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society, at The Atlantic.

In normal times, these companies are loath to pass judgment about what's true and what's false. But lately they have been taking unusually bold steps to keep misinformation about COVID-19 from circulating.

As a matter of public health, these moves are entirely prudent. But as a matter of free speech, the platforms' unconstrained power to change the rules virtually overnight is deeply disconcerting.

More here.


FREE MARKETS

In France, "antitrust authorities ordered Google to negotiate with publishers to pay for the news content shown in search results" and (sigh) president and chief executive of the News Media Alliance David Chavern thinks that's a model for the U.S. to emulate. The New York Times ran on op-ed yesterday in which Chavern argued:

There are several ways the pressure on Google could be brought to bear. If Congress passes the Journalism Competition and Preservation Act, publishers would be allowed to negotiate rates with Google as a group. Alternatively, publishers might finally be forced to undertake their own lengthy copyright litigation. In any case, I believe that Google will eventually be required to treat news publishers, like music publishers, as equals.

Read Reason's Scott Shackford on why this is a terrible idea.


ELECTION 2020 

The COVID-19 outbreak could keep Libertarians and Greens off ballots. "In 2016, the Libertarian Party was on the general election ballot in all 50 states; this year, it has secured ballot access in just 35," points out Politico. And while the Green Party made it onto 44 state ballots during the last presidential election, this year it will only be on the ballot in 22 states.

This could amount to a crisis for the Libertarian and Green Parties, Politico's Bill Scher explains:

Without ballot access, national pollsters won't feel obligated to include Green and Libertarian candidates in their surveys; voters will be less aware of their nominees and platforms; journalists will be less likely to pay any attention to them; and the probability diminishes that either the Libertarians or Greens can reach the holy grail of 5 percent of the popular vote—the point at which they would finally qualify for federal campaign matching funds.


COVID-19 BEHIND BARS 

At just three Ohio prison facilities, more than 1,300 prisoners have contracted COVID-19.  From CNN: "Officials decided to test all inmates and staff at the facilities starting Thursday, and results have been coming back in stages, said spokeswoman Melanie Amato of the Ohio Department of Health. She said 103 staff members also tested positive at Marion. One of those staff members died, and no additional details were immediately available on the death."

In Philadelphia:


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  1. Alas, others have been crowding up against each other in large numbers—without masks or any other precautions—while suggesting that the entire coronavirus outbreak might be a hoax.

    This, dear reader, is where your focus must be zeroed.

    1. Hello.

    2. Is this where they start claiming that anyone who doesn’t believe the models is calling the virus a hoax?

      1. This is where we claim that anyone claiming we claim that the virus is a hoax is a hoax.

        It’s a hoax, is what I’m telling you.

        1. It is a false flag. To be honest, I know I’m a nurse and I’ve watched similar demographics die over the years from similar viruses (this one just has faster spread but no more lethality) so I get what this is… but I’m just so damned surprised the vast majority are falling for this.
          If this were Ebola, you couldn’t get us outside, let alone to go to work.

      2. I keep getting told by Very Smart People that we need to always believe the models because Facts And Science And Math. When the models end up being wrong, it’s because we have all-new Facts And Science And Math, not because the models are plunk-and-crank garbage.

        At this point, the I Fucking Love Science crowd is nothing more than a new religious cult. They make the exact same post-hoc lies and rationalizations every time their prophecies fail to come to pass. At least some religions give you something to look forward to, if you do happen to die from BatCoof; this new one makes you terrified of something that’s going to happen down the road regardless of what you do.

        1. This is what happens when the I Love Science crowd is smarter than the I Love Economics crowd.

          1. No, this is what happens when the I Love Science crowd has absolutely no clue about the I Love Economics crowd.

            We’ve seen dozens of coronavirus spreading models, but not any social-distant economics models. Why is that? What good is keeping yourself from getting infected if you can’t eat?

            (Granted, I have my doubts about the models, especially now. But if models were supposed to be good for understanding the effects of the virus, why wouldn’t they be good for understanding the effects of the economy?)

            1. Oh, and I should add: I f’n love Statistics, and I *really* f’n love mathematics … and both are reasons I generally don’t f’n trust models.

            2. “but not any social-distant economics models. Why is that?”

              Maybe the I Love Economics crowd isn’t as smart as you think they are.

              Don’t worry. If it’s intelligent experts you are looking for, there’s always the scientist. Just look for the white lab coat.

              1. And maybe your head is too far up your ass to have caught this in the past 10 years, but the IFLS page is an absolute joke run and frequented by idiots who are in love with the IDEA of USING science to cudgel their political opposites, but immediately snarl the other way once the topic turns say, pro-GMO.

                1. It’s called free speech. If you’re not smart enough to bolster whatever position you are pushing with science, it’s your fault, don’t blame scientists. Stop whining too.

              2. The more I see the I Love Science crowd completely ignore the economic needs of the crowd in general, and make absolutely no effort to consult the I Love Economics crowd, let alone attempt to see if there is anything of note there, the more difficult it is to believe they have any sort of intelligence at all.

                People can’t eat models. They need food. And the I Love Science crowd is stupid to think that the best way to fix this issue of shutdown is to throw money at it.

                1. Hoping that the I Love Science crowd is going to do the work of the I Love Economics crowd is silly in the first place. Science is science. Looking to a scientist to solve the nation’s economic problems is silly. If the I Love Economics crowd isn’t up to their job, don’t blame the I Love Science crowd.

                  1. “Science is science.”

                    Not when it’s “settled”.

              3. Pssh. If you want working models, don’t look for anyone in a lab coat. Look for the guys in fireproof coveralls. If an engineer’s models don’t work, he doesn’t make money and the company closes. If an epidemiologist’s models don’t work, it’s business as usual.

          2. And there is the problem (or a problem). No, one is not smarter than the other. They have different areas of expertise. We need to know the effects of the virus and of policy on all areas of life. You can’t have a healthy population without a good economy. And you can’t have a functional society if everyone is scared to go out.
            Another problem is assuming doctors have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to dealing with an epidemic. That isn’t what doctors are trained for, for the most part. Doctors are good at practicing medecine in their particular area of expertise. They aren’t experts on everything having to do with human health and disease. They certainly aren’t, for the most part, experts in epidemiology.

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    4. I disagree with you here, Fist of Etiquette. The fact that people are refusing to wear masks, and to practice social distancing is what’s hampering the efforts to at least contain Covid-19 and prevent it from spreading even further. Donald Trump’s response was way too little too late, but these protestors are making an already dangerously bad situation worse.

      1. I think it’s at least worth asking whether containing it and preventing spread is perhaps not the best course. Why do we want this to last longer?
        As it becomes more apparent that it is far less deadly and more widespread than initially suspected, we really need to rethink the containment approach, given the incredible destruction of liberty and livelihood that it has brought about.

  2. In normal times, these companies are loath to pass judgment about what’s true and what’s false.

    Huh.

    1. That hasn’t been my experience.

    2. I’ll second that. And add that they are especially not competent to determine what is and isn’t true in regards to covid19.

    3. And of course, their determination of what is ‘true’ and what is ‘false’ wears a socialist mask.

      1. Ding ding ding!

        I had an article flagged. But it most certainly wasn’t false. It was contested by “government approved epidemiologists, and therefore false.

        I always knew it was a bad joke. But with this it’s much worse than that. It’s towing the lion without question.

        1. It’s toe the line , dammit!

    4. Lizzie “reporting” opinions as facts again…

    5. But lately they have been taking unusually bold steps to keep misinformation about COVID-19 from circulating.

      I’m sure the definition of misinformation in this particular case is a doozy.

      1. If it’s not CDC and WHO approved, it’s “fake.”

        I had an article that was flagged as fake because the WHO disagreed.

        El. Oh. El.

        1. I sent a link from the Swiss propaganda research that has everything you’ll ever need to figure out we have a false flag on our hands but no matter where I put it, it is taken down. I’ll try to reply below and try again

      2. So, are they going to delete the tweets of people still insisting that it is an order of magnitude more deadly than seasonal flu?

    6. Remember when Twitter was banning people for ‘misgendering’ somebody? Yeah that was long before the chinese virus started spreading.

  3. In France, “antitrust authorities ordered Google to negotiate with publishers to pay for the news content shown in search results…”

    No one in his right frog mind wants his news to reach a large audience.

    1. If Congress passes the Journalism Competition and Preservation Act, publishers would be allowed to negotiate rates with Google as a group.

      Would Google be allowed to refuse to negotiate in the same manner I’m allowed to refuse to negotiate with Rolls Royce, PETA, Anheuser-Busch and the pervert down on the corner who keeps offering me five dollars if I’ll let him sniff my armpits?

      1. Is Google under any obligation to publish their content?

      2. I bet you they’re only allowed to refuse the wrong sorts of people, you know, the companies or groups that hold the wrong politics or ideas as decided by the government.

  4. The Coronavirus Lockdown: Saving Adults But Killing Children

    https://issuesinsights.com/2020/04/20/the-lockdown-not-the-coronavirus-is-deadly-to-children/

    “Hundreds of thousands of additional child deaths could occur in 2020,’” which “would effectively reverse 2 to 3 years of progress in reducing infant mortality in a single year.”

    And this is likely a low-ball estimate because it counts only the direct impact of a worldwide recession, not the impact shutdowns are having on access to health care, vaccines, prenatal care, food and nutrition, or mental health care.

    The U.N. report notes, for example, that polio vaccination campaigns have been suspended. The crippling childhood disease has not been eradicated from Afghanistan and Pakistan, and there have been outbreaks in Africa, East Asia and the Pacific.

    Measles immunization campaigns have been suspended in at least 23 countries that had targeted more than 78 million children, the report says, which will lead to more measles oubreaks. Keep in mind that more than 140,000 people died from measles in 2018, according to the World Health Organization. Most of them were under age 5.

    This happened before when health experts ordered draconian measures to stem an Ebola outbreak in Liberia and Sierra Leone because officials claimed it could kill millions of people in those two countries.

    As a result, the share of children in Liberia who were fully immunized against measles plunged from 73% before the crisis down to 36% during the outbreak. And measles cases in that country exploded from 12 a month before the epidemic to 60 a month immediately afterward.

    (And as Michael Fumento pointed out here recently, the Ebola scare was wildly exaggerated, with the actual number of Ebola deaths totaling fewer than 8,000.)

    1. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1251503464397639680

      From Switzerland: Dr. Daniel Koch, a top Swiss public health official, says not only are kids at minimal risk from #COVID, bc they have such low viral loads, “it is adults who infect children, not the other way around.”

      Switzerland reopens schools May 11.

      1. That same guy earlier predicted that Swiss hospitals would collapse by March 27. Good to see that he’s changing his tune now

      2. I wonder what our hysterical little ninnies like JSlave, Brandybuck, and sarcasmic think about that.

        Oh right, they’ll probably just ignore it.

      3. And Switzerland got hit worse than Italy on a per capita basis. Belgium too so it will be interesting to see what they do.

        This whole episode has been akin, as someone noted, to a dumbass seeing the check engine light and getting rid of the car. That’s what we did with the economy.

        1. Its called an Idiot Light for a reason.

    2. Harvard Law Prof Calls for Ban on Homeschooling, Saying It’s ‘Dangerous’ to Leave Children with Their Parents 24/7

      https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/harvard-law-prof-calls-for-ban-on-homeschooling-saying-its-dangerous-to-leave-children-with-their-parents-24-7/

      It’s ironic at a time when 56 million children in the U.S. are being homeschooled as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic that Harvard Magazine would publish an article calling for a ban on homeschooling.

      The article by Erin O’Donnell, headlined “The Risks of Homeschooling,” sets up one straw man after another to make the case that the government must step in to protect children from their own parents—who are presumed guilty and ill-qualified to care for their own children.

      Elizabeth Bartholet, faculty director of Harvard Law School’s Child Advocacy Program, told the magazine that homeschooling deprives children of their right to a “meaningful education.” She cites no law that requires a child to receive a “meaningful” education (because there is no such law in the U.S.) but defines it thusly: “But it’s also important that children grow up exposed to community values, social values, democratic values, ideas about nondiscrimination and tolerance of other people’s viewpoints.” (Nothing about reading, writing, and ‘rithmetic in her formula, it ought to be noted.)

      In other words, she knows that homeschooled children are being taught to think for themselves, and she won’t stand for it. Bartholet is no doubt keenly aware that government indoctrination centers have been wildly successful in their quest to force-feed vulnerable children progressive values. One need only spend a short time on a college campus to understand the extent of their success. Abraham Lincoln famously said that “The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.” Social and moral revolutionaries understand that society and culture are shaped in the classroom and they’ve spent the last 100 years working tirelessly to ensure that the “correct” (read: progressive) values are being imposed on children.

      1. https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1251620366079922177

        Harvard Magazine:

        “The Risks of Homeschooling”

        The elites are terrified that families are figuring out they can educate their own children at home.

        Elizabeth says parents currently have “authoritarian control over their children.”

        She also says it’s “always dangerous to put powerful people in charge of the powerless, and to give the powerful ones total authority.”

        Oh the irony.

        1. Yeah, as homeschooling parents, my wife and I have been following this closely. The paper’s author is an organizer of a virulently anti-homeschooling conference put on by Harvard.

        2. Incidentally, I just read the PJ Media article you linked. It’s an excellent rebuttal.

        3. does… does she not see what she’s saying? Is she really this fucking dense?

        4. I thought Harvard Magazine misspelling arithmetic was amusing.

      2. “But it’s also important that children grow up exposed to community values, social values, democratic values, ideas about nondiscrimination and tolerance of other people’s viewpoints.”

        Love the unspoken assumption that this is impossible to learn outside of public school.

        1. unspoken assumption that this is impossible to learn outside of public school

          Are you kidding? Heaven forbid, they might learn something from a church without the chance for a proper secular rebuttal.

          “The only good indoctrination is OUR indoctrination.”

        2. Without public schools, how are underage children supposed to get hands-on sex ed from public school teachers?

          http://globalnews.ca/news/6833712/winnipeg-high-school-teacher-sexual-offences/

        3. And the assumption that the things cited, tolerance of other viewpoints in particular, are routinely taught in schools.

    3. The wine moms’ sacrifice of their children to Bacchus and Moloch is a small price to pay to ensure their immune systems remain pristine.

  5. She said 103 staff members also tested positive at Marion. One of those staff members died, and no additional details were immediately available on the death.

    Prison workers unions apparently don’t influence governors and judges like they might legislators.

  6. I really dislike the (unsurprising) implication that protests are tolerable (since of course the rubes can’t help themselves when their monster truck rallies are cancelled for too long) but the only reasonable ones are those that maintain rigorous social distancing/mask wearing/insert pants-shitting virtue signal here, and simply request that compliant local shopkeepers be possibly allowed to open if they agree to maintain various insane measures for “protection” of customers. Fuck that. I want everyone to be able to open on their own terms, today. If those terms are that they voluntarily continue to act like pants-shitting morons, then that is their right. I will choose to avoid any place like that if I possibly can, now and long after this is over. However, if they choose to try and forget all this BS ever happened and go back to normal day one (as they should), that must be their right also. Those places will earn my everlasting loyalty.

    1. Why, it sounds as if you prefer, oh, freedom of assembly!
      ENB finds that irresponsible!

      1. There’s an open question whether epidemics, like war or natural disasters, create a situation where libertarian principles need to be (temporarily) bent in order to deal with a threat that defies individual response.

        It’s not a question for anarchists, of course, but for the rest of us…

        1. Not really. You’re a coward. Question closed.

        2. I don’t think planting tomatoes or using an outboard motor instead of rowing rise to that level

      2. Sevo, good effort on practicing your summarization skills. I want you to go back, kiddo, and read the article one more time, because you may have attributed just a tad too much that what can be base on what ENB actually wrote.

        But good effort, kiddo! You are learning how to read and summarize! Yay!

        1. No one cares what you want bitch who let the commentariat break him.

      3. ENB and her ilk would change their damn tunes if they really had to ‘be in it together’ and chip in with the rent. But like most people, I’m afraid, who support all this nonsense, they’re still getting paid so they expect someone else to do the real heavy lifting.

        People are going into further debt for this.

        It’s the very definition of irrational and people supporting it are useful idiots.

        And Lord knows there’s no shortage of idiots. The usual suspects are siding with the WHO over small business.

        Think of that for a second and let that sink.

        1. Though not sure if ENB is crazy like Patton Oswalt. I don’t get that feeling. I think she’s more in tune than that. I hope.

        2. This.

          The people complaining about protesters are the ones safely ensconced in their home with a paycheck rolling in just as it used to, and wine moms who’s husbands are getting paid and they’re just so happy their husbands are finally spending quality time at home.

          1. they’re just so happy their husbands are finally spending quality time at home.

            Based on my experience trying to pick up something at Home Depot, they are doing everything they can to keep their husbands out of the house.

        3. “People are going into further debt for this.”

          Americans don’t respond well to a brute force approach like China or an appeal to civic responsibility and sacrifice as in Sweden. For Americans, maybe the way to go is to pay people to endure it. Make it into a job, and suspend interest and payments of debt while you’re at it. Most would comply.

      4. Reason is shilling for a government bailout.

    2. It’s the terror of knowing what the world is about
      Watching some good friends screaming
      “Let me out!”
      Pray tomorrow gets me higher
      Pressure on people, people on streets

      Day day de mm hm da da da ba ba, okay…

    3. I saw Nancy Pelosi commenting on how it’s understandable people might protest but it’s still irresponsible because nothing is more important than your health. I suppose it’s much easier to think of health in the abstract when you’re a salaried employee who can work from home and the pay’s the same whether you’re sitting at home eating 12-dollar-a-pint ice cream from your $11,000 freezer or going to the office. Maybe not so much when your primary health concern is whether or not you’re going to be able to feed your kids tomorrow because you’re an hourly employee whose employer is no longer employing.

      (One of the little-noticed bothersome things Pelosi said about her ice cream is when she chirruped about being able to buy it online. Does Pelosi think ordering ice cream on-line means it gets faxxed directly to her freezer? Is she aware that ordering ice cream on-line means there’s a courier risking their health to get the ice cream to her door and a staffer or a servant risking their health by answering the doorbell when the courier shows up?)

      1. because nothing is more important than your health

        Which sums up the thought process of every Karen out there. Thanks, but I will decide that for myself. I would much rather have a statistically shorter lifespan and LIVE my life, take risks, do things that I enjoy but may marginally reduce my lifespan, than squeeze every hour out of a pathetic, boring, meaningless existence. Most likely to waste away in a nursing home for the last several years, and not be able to even see the few loved ones I have left for months at a time because they are afraid my 90 year old dementia-ridden ass will get sick and die, and we can’t allow that to happen!

        1. You are clearly an irrational, selfish person but do not worry. We will take your autonomy in order to protect you from yourself.

        2. because nothing is more important than your health
          I’ve yet to hear one of these folks explain the health benefits of unemployment for the staff, potential bankruptcy and ruin for owners, increased threat of depression and its attendant issues for all involved, and so forth.

          1. Yeah, it’s pretty funny how they suddenly shut up once you start mentioning that mass unemployment will likely lead to spikes in suicide, alcoholism, drug addiction, spousal and child abuse, and all sorts of stress-related health issues.

            Of course the ones that don’t shut up then just pretend like those problems don’t exist or go right to screaming about how you just want old people to die, at which point I generally start getting really hostile and rude and hurt their feelings.

      2. Let them eat icecream.

  7. “…the past 30 days has been the most eyeballs in Drudge Report’s 26 year-history,” Matt Drudge told CNN.

    People apparently love anxiety.

    1. Fake views.

      1. From what I’ve been given to understand, Matt Drudge no longer has anything to do with The Drudge Report so what would he know?

        1. As far as I know, he’s still aggregating news. There was a rumor he sold it, but I haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere.

  8. //[T]hese stories should serve as a good reminder that the more outlandish and horrific claims about life under COVID-19 quarantine should always be approached a little skeptically at first, especially when they tidily confirm your prior perceptions or fears.//

    As opposed to the outlandish and horrific claims about COVID-19 itself, which should obviously be accepted without any question. Tone deaf to the extreme.

    1. That’s good, Geraje! You are learning how to debate a public issue. Now, the next thing to work on, champ, is how to respond to only what the other person actually said.

      I know it may be tempting to attribute statements to your debate opponent that they didn’t actually say, but in the end it won’t serve your goal, which is presumably to convince others of your position — and win the debate!

      But good effort! You are learning!

      1. What, no new variation of your “Notice me, senpai!” love profile to lc1789? You’re slipping.

        1. The commentariat broke him again

      2. Nobody looks at you as an opponent of any sort, except your mother, and she will take her regrets to the grave. You destroyed her vagina for nothing.

        1. Um, that was the Navy actually…

    2. The whole lock down vs open up debate is between the paid vs the unpaid.

      A large portion of those who are still getting paid don’t give a hoot about those who aren’t.

      But the lock down folks are sheepish by nature and hiding inside so my money is on the reopen folks.

      And as the economy dissolves more people will start being unpaid

  9. Yesterday was an awesome day for me personally. I hung out with a good friend I hadn’t seen in a few weeks. This friend likes to be well-informed and pays close attention to the “mainstream” media. I’ve been trying to tell him for years that he shouldn’t believe hardly a word they say, because about 90% of everything they say is complete and total bullshit. Well, yesterday for the very first time he said to me “You were right about them all along.” My heart practically soared with joy.

    So congratulations, slimy gutter rats in the American mainstream media: thanks to your hysteria and bullshit over the last few weeks, you’ve succeeded in completely losing your last remaining shreds of credibility forever with yet another American.

    1. There’s a ton of institutional rot and changover that’s going to occur because of this and they don’t even see it coming. Going to be tough to explain to people across this nation about the merits of your strategy when they and everyone they know were personally unaffected the rona because they don’t happen to live in new york city. But are now destitute and jobless because of it.

  10. …a federal judge in Tennessee wrote in his ruling against the state’s attempt to ban abortion during the pandemic.

    Some rights are more worth exposing others to COVID-19 than are others.

    1. Abortion in the time of COVID-19:

      Pro-choice advocates dismiss concerns about what may be the loss of life in favor of individual autonomy and freedom. Progressives cheer.

      Pro end-the-lockdown advocates dismiss concerns about potential loss of life in favor of individual autonomy and freedom. Progressives whine.

      1. Does anyone really care if you die of COVID while paying someone to kill a fetus? It would appear the answer is ‘no’ from just about everyone except the standard opponents of abortion.

    2. You know what isn’t time sensitive? Hip replacements. you can go years without a hip. Just lie there in bed you whines complainer, there are no health consequences to losing your mobility

  11. 20 people to a room, infrequent sanitization & soaring anxiety levels in Philly jails.

    Filthadelphia living up to its name.

    1. Thought it was an abortion clinic description initially.

  12. This email came from a German reader. To summarize: on April 15 the official German public health/disease control institute published a paper showing that moderate social distancing reduced #SARS_CoV2 spread but the hard lockdown was useless.

    https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1251996642640879616

    1. Alex Berenson is the guy who claims marijuana use causes murderous insanity with cannibalistic psychosis or psychotic cannibalism.

      1. OK.

        Doesn’t mean he’s not dead right on the KungFlu insanity which, from what I’ve seen, he mostly has been. If anything, his position on a subject like that tells you that he’s probably not coming from some rabid libertarian echo chamber to begin with. Indeed, he has retweeted some of his early tweets from Feb/March, and he was saying that he was very worried, Coronavirus was going to be a big deal, he was fully in support of drastic measures early on. But then when the results started coming in, he saw it wasn’t coming close to living up to the models, that most people had statistically zero risk for major effects, and that the economic destruction being wrought was very real, he changed his tune. And he lives in NYC of all places. Even if he doesn’t believe a thing he writes and he was just picked by the media Blue Check Brigade as their designated contrarian on this topic in order to have a foil, it doesn’t change the fact that he is putting out good information and good arguments every day that this insanity needs to end.

      2. He got that completely wrong, of course, as the deleterious effects of hyper-urbanization just happened to correlate with marijuana use and he happened to get them confused.

  13. “…these stories should serve as a good reminder that the more outlandish and horrific claims about life under COVID-19 quarantine should always be approached a little skeptically at first, especially when they tidily confirm your prior perceptions or fears.”

    No, they serve to remind us we should have rioted in the streets at the first hint of imprisonment:
    “Marin makes face coverings mandatory to slow virus spread ”
    […]
    “…“We will be looking to educate the public and seek voluntary compliance,” he said. “If we do not get voluntary compliance, violation of or failure to comply with the order is a misdemeanor punishable by fine, imprisonment, or both.”
    Violators could face fines ranging from $50 to $1,000, Schneider said…”
    https://www.marinij.com/2020/04/17/marin-set-to-make-face-coverings-mandatory-in-hopes-of-slowing-covid-19-spread/

    Note that “voluntary” compliance – at the end of a gun.

    1. It’s just a suggestion. Haven’t you heard that only “street thugs” accompany their otherwise idle threats with violence? When the government suggests something, they are just asking; so it’s all good.

      1. I really appreciate that they say something is “voluntary,” but that if people don’t follow it they’ll use stronger enforcement. I suppose that’s “voluntary” in Newspeak.

        1. Indeed.

          And yet, there are plenty of morons enamored by the fact that the jackbooted thugs are extending them the courtesy of asking first. How kind! As long as you can physically move your lips and sputter out the word “no,” they maintain, it is technically not an infringement upon your liberty. And, if you want to avoid the negative consequences of refusing to comply, you can always just say “yes.”

          So, you see? That *is* freedom.

          1. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do. – R. Guiliani

            1. In a way, he’s right. You can give up your free will as an act of free will. We’re seeing that right now, in fact.

      2. The idea that “only street thugs accompany their otherwise idle threats with violence.” couldn’t be more wrong. In fact, generally the people who do engage in unprovoked violence do so without making threats beforehand. The ones who do make idle threats just want to make a lot of noise and sound tough, when they’re really not.

    2. LOL. The order from the mayor of Austin, TX was very similar, except for the part where he specifically exempted the homeless population from compliance. I am sure that squeegee is sterilized between windshields, right?

      1. the homeless in progressive cities have the same status as cows in india. They are sacred and not to be bothered or hindered in any way.

        1. More comparable to sacred monkey’s, I’d say. They get into everything, and are far more annoying than a cow just minding it’s own business chewing cud.

    3. Word out of Sacramento is that they could soon fully shut down all construction projects statewide. The better the numbers get the more proof they find for doubling down on the absurdity.

  14. //”Abortion is a time-sensitive procedure. Delaying a woman’s access to abortion even by a matter of days can result in her having to undergo a lengthier and more complex procedure that involves progressively greater health risks, or can result in her losing the right to obtain an abortion altogether”//

    In other words, let’s get that thing killed before it starts resembling a child too much.

    1. But of course, cancers in many forms can just damn well go ahead and kill people, because they are already born.
      So much for “if it saves one life”.

      1. So you’re comparing a viable human in the earliest stage of life to abnormal cell growth from damaged DNA?
        The party of “Science” indeed.

        1. I think Longtobefree was referring to cancer patients having their therapies cancelled due to coronavirus restrictions.

          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/23/cancer-patients-chemo-during-coronavirus-outbreak-canceled-appointments/2897880001/

          1. Rereading it you’re right. My apologies, Longtobefree.

  15. WaPo Columnist Who Wrote A Book About Brett Kavanaugh Now Says #BelieveAllWomen Is ‘Dumb’ Given Accusations Against Joe Biden

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/wapo-columnist-who-wrote-a-book-about-brett-kavanaugh-now-says-believeallwomen-is-dumb-given-accusations-against-joe-biden

    In a shocking editorial for The Washington Post, Marcus lashes out not just at Biden’s alleged accuser, Tara Reade — who has now filed a criminal complaint against Biden and who has a record of contemporaneous claims made against the then-federal legislator — but at the anti-sexual assault movement altogether.

    “Reflexive acceptance of any and all allegations of sexual misconduct against any man is not staunch feminism,” Marcus writes. “[I]t is dangerous credulity that risks doing terrible injustice to the accused. #BelieveAllWomen was a dumb hashtag and a dumber approach.”

    1. So last year.

    2. Yep.
      That was then, this is now.
      Goebbels would be so proud of her.

      1. What a twat and a khunt she is!

    3. While it’s true that Biden’s alleged accuser was wrong, most women who do get raped are to be believed.

  16. Google will eventually be required to treat news publishers, like music publishers, as equals.

    Would someone *kindly* explain what this even means?

    1. It means that government control of corporations (fascism) is a great and wonderful thing, and you should shut up and comply.

      1. Anti-free market corporatism hasn’t been this popular since 1945.

        1. The Eurotrash never learn, do they?

  17. The articles and think pieces openly mocking with clear disdain for the protesters may push me over the edge and go full commie. The class divide is real and I really really am starting to hate the people mocking people who want to get back to work and access their property to a level that I never imagined I was capable of.

    1. And it really is becoming clear this is not a left right issue,

      1. I don’t know about that.

        My social media feed is on fire with my leftist friends just spamming a million “for all you covidiots out there that refuse to listen to authority” memes.

        “It’s not about your life.”
        “Don’t be selfish, science denier; stay home.”
        “You don’t have the right to kill people!”

        The left is loving every second of this. It’s the perfect opportunity to preen, virtue signal, and insult those stupid rubes and their silly constitutional ideals.

        1. the open the economy up crowd are still few and far between. Their are plenty on the right who bought this hook line and sinker and refuse to admit the catastrophic economic consequences for tens of millions Americans right now because they are safely receiving a paycheck and their lives are largely unchanged. In fact they openly mock and resent the working class more than I ever thought possible. It’s disgusting and eyeopening to see. Fuck these people.

          1. And it really is becoming clear this is not a left right issue

            There are also some Republican Governors that are buying into this idiocy too, but the worst of the bunch have tended to be Democrats.

            1. Larry Hogan comes to mind. But in fairness to him he probably feels like he’s largely covered by so many of his constituents working for the feds and still receiving paychecks to which this basically amounts to a 2 month vacation and possibly longer till it’s “safe to go back to work”.

            2. The problem is that if they open up, every COVID death will be laid on their shoulders by the media.

              1. That is the most annoying part of this entire episode. We are locked into a pattern of stupidity because nobody wants to budge in the direction of rationality, even slightly, since a countercurrent of irrational media sensationalism is too much of a political risk in an election year.

                The media is a huge reason why nobody can have an honest discussion about anything anymore. Both sides of the aisle are locked into a game of political chicken and they have absolutely no problem wit the prospect of smashing head on just to prove they can win the game.

        2. That’s good. Now is your opportunity to talk to your leftist friends using the social interaction skills you’ve been practicing here. Let’s try interacting to them with the same levels of manners and politeness you use here. Let me know how it goes, kiddo!

          1. I’d rather fuck your mom and give her a real child she can be proud of.

        3. The left has successfully reconditioned science to be a belief in authorities instead of a belief in data.

          1. Indeed. Which is why the debates have long stopped being about the data, but about which talking head “expert” has more degrees and speaking engagements on their resume.

            1. Yes.
              The appeal to authority fallacy has become pathological in today’s punditry and political class.

              1. It has never been more obvious that Logic is no longer mandatory to a liberal education. The appeal to authority is so inherent in journalism that it must be part of the curriculum.

                1. Only the *right* kind of authority, mind you. If the authority is called “Trump”, for example, he needs to be opposed at all cost, even when he’s right.

        4. mine are doing the same. I’m learning quite a bit about so many people.

      2. It shouldn’t be a left/right issue. And I think that the mainstream of Rupiblicans has mostly gone along with it. And I have to say that most of the people I’ve really talked to about this have been at least open to hearing arguments against it. Including lots of people who I believe generally vote D.
        That it has become a partisan issue at some level is really depressing and aggravating. We are all getting fucked.

    2. “The class divide is real”

      This realization hit me a few years ago and radically changed my political stances.

      I used to be a strong believer in a meritocracy, that in the modern West the cream from all levels of society would rise to the top.
      I now realize however that the “meritocracy” that emerged from the social convulsions of the 1960s is a sham. It’s produced an insular, culturally radical elite alienated from and contemptuous of the supposedly bigoted and backwards people they govern.

      1. Right there with you. Never thought I’d be here.

      2. “This realization hit me a few years ago and radically changed my political stances.”

        Angelo Codevilla’s essay on ‘The Ruling Class’ would probably be of interest to you. He ended up turning his essay into a book, but the essay is certainly shorter to read: https://spectator.org/americas-ruling-class/

        From it, written in 2010:

        Never has there been so little diversity within America’s upper crust. Always, in America as elsewhere, some people have been wealthier and more powerful than others. But until our own time America’s upper crust was a mixture of people who had gained prominence in a variety of ways, who drew their money and status from different sources and were not predictably of one mind on any given matter. The Boston Brahmins, the New York financiers, the land barons of California, Texas, and Florida, the industrialists of Pittsburgh, the Southern aristocracy, and the hardscrabble politicians who made it big in Chicago or Memphis had little contact with one another. Few had much contact with government, and “bureaucrat” was a dirty word for all. So was “social engineering.” Nor had the schools and universities that formed yesterday’s upper crust imposed a single orthodoxy about the origins of man, about American history, and about how America should be governed. All that has changed.

        Today’s ruling class, from Boston to San Diego, was formed by an educational system that exposed them to the same ideas and gave them remarkably uniform guidance, as well as tastes and habits. These amount to a social canon of judgments about good and evil, complete with secular sacred history, sins (against minorities and the environment), and saints. Using the right words and avoiding the wrong ones when referring to such matters — speaking the “in” language — serves as a badge of identity. Regardless of what business or profession they are in, their road up included government channels and government money because, as government has grown, its boundary with the rest of American life has become indistinct. Many began their careers in government and leveraged their way into the private sector. Some, e.g., Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner, never held a non-government job. Hence whether formally in government, out of it, or halfway, America’s ruling class speaks the language and has the tastes, habits, and tools of bureaucrats. It rules uneasily over the majority of Americans not oriented to government.

        1. That’s a good enunciation of what I’ve been seeing.

        2. Excellent.

      3. Well us culturally radical eliets know what’s best, and if you backwater clingers can’t understand that then we will have to run our culture down your neck!

      4. >>This realization hit me a few years ago and radically changed my political stances.

        exactly.

      5. Marx wasn’t wrong about class warfare – he was wrong about class identification.
        It isn’t the rich vs the poor, it’s the independent vs the subsidized.
        That is, independent earners (lower, middle, and upper incomes) vs the subsidized/technocrat class (welfare dependents, media, political, education, ngo, etc)

        1. Indeed.

        2. Also known as the economic class vs. the political class, or those who earn their money vs. those who leech off the earners.

  18. As Twitchy readers know, Patton Oswalt made a fairly big jacka*s of himself on Saturday trying to shame Americans who desperately want the country to open so they can get back to their jobs and to their lives. Apparently, the out-of-touch, glorified voice actor (because that’s really what he) doesn’t seem to understand Americans aren’t just sitting home eating takeout and watching Netflix because many of them can’t afford to. He was roasted, but nobody hit him harder than Greg Gutfeld.

    rich fat guy sitting on a mountain of cash tells you jackasses to suck it up

    — GregGutfeld (@greggutfeld) April 18, 2020

    We can’t help but notice the majority of people lecturing Americans about staying home aren’t in any danger of going without housing or food …

    Now, you’d think if Patton wanted to debate Greg he’d have answered him directly but NOPE. The ‘little actor who couldn’t’ took a screenshot of what Greg tweeted and argued it for his followers because that’s what cowards do. Greg managed to see the tweet anyway and blasted him again:

    so you’re pro-swastika? I came out against them. But you find them ironic? please explain this you pathetic mocker of people whose jobs are in jeopardy. HAHAHA -who cares, they eat at fuddruckers! Where do you eat Patton? (my guess: on the toilet, quietly weeping).

    — GregGutfeld (@greggutfeld) April 19, 2020

    1. I must lead a charmed life. I don’t know who any of these people are.

  19. …these stories should serve as a good reminder that the more outlandish and horrific claims about life under COVID-19 quarantine should always be approached a little skeptically at first, especially when they tidily confirm your prior perceptions or fears.

    And yet…

  20. https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/will-the-fitness-industry-survive-the-covid-19-pandemic-some-important-things-to-consider/

    In consideration of this, how likely is a bank or an investor to lend money to anybody contemplating the silly idea of opening a “non-essential” business? How likely is a commercial landlord to lease to a business that cannot afford to pay its rent every other winter? Is a nice sit-down restaurant or any bar a viable business under these circumstances? Will all food be take-out from now on, or will Walmart and Home Depot, with their now-incalculably-valuable “essential” status, move into the food-service sector, with restaurants inside their essential stores? The questions boggle the mind.

    1. Yep, I brought that up last week. The entire risk calculation for any sort of consumer-facing business has changed. Now we have established the precedent that the government can, and will, completely shut them down for an indeterminate period of time whenever they feel it necessary. Somehow, that will need to be priced into how they operate. I’m not even sure if insurance will touch this with a ten foot pole, at least with any sort of a reasonable premium, because insurance tends to avoid things which by nature result in huge numbers of large claims all at once (see flood insurance). This is the kind of thing where it’s not likely just isolate places will need to collect, it is entire industries, all across the country (and world).

      One possible answer will be (like flood insurance) some sort of government fucked up subsidized insurance program that protects you from the actions of the government by paying the bills when you get shut down; seems like there is a name for that… Of course, it will contain as part of its terms that you WILL listen and comply with any requirements the government may choose to place on you (in times of crisis and otherwise), and it will be basically required to get any sort of loan for such a business (unless you have huge piles of cash to place in trust for such an event).

    2. Everything will be Taco Bell, they will win this war. as prophesied in “Demolition Man”

      1. Possibly the most prescient film ever made

        1. Put it on the list with Idiocracy.

        2. I remember this movie every time an employee at Walgreens tells me to ‘Be Well’.

  21. Harvard Flexes About Netting Millions in Federal Coronavirus Aid Money

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/harvard-flexes-about-netting-millions-in-federal-coronavirus-aid-money/

    Harvard’s endowment is one of the world’s largest — about $38.5 billion.

  22. Harvard wants to end the lockdown and ban homeschooling since public school teachers can’t indoctrinate kids as easily on Zoom.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/harvard-law-prof-calls-for-ban-on-homeschooling-saying-its-dangerous-to-leave-children-with-their-parents-24-7/

    1. Hard to create a violent mob on a conference call.

  23. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/what_happens_when_the_coronavirus_models_are_wrong.html

    The IHME model is considered the gold standard. In mid-March, without social distancing, they predicted 2.2 million American deaths. By early April they reduced their death projection to 100,000 to 240,000 assuming social distancing measures in place. Their April 17 update now projects 60,308 deaths, 3% of their original prediction.

    What changed? Social distancing was in already in place when the death predictions dropped by a factor of four. For perspective, 61,000 Americans died in the 2017-18 flu season.

    1. What changed is that the realized they no longer have to scare people at all to herd them like sheep. Apocalyptic scenarios are no longer needed. People are no firmly enamored with the notion that “life is dangerous” and that, in itself, is sufficient for them participate in the act of their own imprisonment.

      In short, they revised the models because they realized the American people are far more obsequious and complaint than they ever imagined.

      1. Geraje….What changed the model was reality.

    2. The IHME model is considered the gold standard.

      By whom? Have you ever seen the IHME model? Has *Fauci*?

      1. I have yet to see any bikini photo shoots of the IHME model.

        1. It’s just as well – it’s more like a burkini photo shoot in that any of the bits you’d be interested in seeing are completely obscured.

      2. They refuse to release source code.

    3. The IHME model’s website stated right up front, as of the morning of 5 April, that their projections assumed social distancing through the end of May. These were their projections at that time, which I luckily got a screenshot of before they memory-holed it:

      All beds needed (projected): 164,745
      ICU beds needed (projected): 31,057
      Invasive ventilators needed (projected): 24,848

      Here’s the numbers after they made their update at 11:50 pm on 5 April:

      All beds needed (projected): 80,843
      ICU beds needed (projected): 16,076
      Invasive ventilators needed (projected): 13,664

      If the day has already passed, then it’s no longer a “projection”–the country either needed that number of resources or it didn’t. Instead of keeping up their previous projection, they dishonestly input new numbers into their plunk-and-crank bullshit model and presented the new numbers as the ones they originally projected.

      This is the same institution at UW that’s funded by Bill Gates, which the bugmen are trying to promote as some kind of prophet-savant for predicting a pandemic, but whose institution can’t even make a prediction without fucking it up and then hiding the evidence.

  24. “the past 30 days has been the most eyeballs in Drudge Report’s 26 year-history,” Matt Drudge told CNN.

    Imagine that, Drudge swore his site was still worthy of its advertising fees to the official network of the “Resistance”.
    That’s totally plausible and not in the least self-interested.

  25. Also from PJ…

    Those uppity protesters are starting to make sense, time to shut down some grocery stores.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/experts-trial-balloon-hey-what-if-we-closed-grocery-stores-while-were-at-it/

  26. More bad economic news.

    Reason’s benefactor Charles Koch is now only the 16th richest person on the planet.

    His hard-earned fortune has fallen by nearly $10 billion this year, putting him barely above a $50 billion net worth. That’s the tragic but predictable result of Drumpf’s high-tariff / low-immigration policies.

    #VoteBidenToHelpCharlesKoch

    1. You know, that actually is pretty remarkable. This keeps up, maybe your posts won’t be just ironic trolling anymore. Chuck Koch might have to get on the Reason payroll, pound out a few articles a week to keep food on the table.

    2. also he doesn’t deliver or stream content.

  27. California D.A. Bacerro…

    Of course rights can be denied and curtailed during emergencies.

    Or a more libertarian slant (from some): We are “strongly suggesting” you follow orders.

    https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/04/18/ca-top-cop-rights-can-be-curtailed-in-times-of-emergency/

    1. See 10:09, above.
      The “suggestion” comes with a $50-$1K fine.

  28. Somebody pointed me to Joe Biden’s response on Twitter today:

    “At a time when Trump is fanning the flames of white supremacy and hatred in our country, my heart is with the families of those we lost in the Oklahoma City bombing 25 years ago today. We must never give up the fight against these forces of hate and intolerance.”

    —-Joe Biden, April 19, 2020

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1252032336159543297

    Is there any doubt about him smearing the anti-lockdown protesters as forces for hate an intolerance and white supremacists?

    If Joe Biden and his campaign team had stayed up all night trying to think up a better way to make sure that he loses the election, they could hardly come up with anything better than smearing average Americans who are anxious about the economy with white supremacy and hate.

    This makes the time Biden responded to President Trump’s travel ban with China as xenophobic seem tame by comparison. It was one thing to call president Trump xenophobic, quite another when Biden starts associating average Americans with white supremacy because they’re afraid of losing their jobs and their homes.

    Hillary Clinton lost, in no small part, for associating average Americans with “deplorables”. Does Biden not realize that average Americans who lose their jobs and their homes can vote in November, too? What an idiot!

    1. It’s like living in a Twilight Zone episode.

      1. It really is.

        Biden is basically smearing voters as white supremacists for protesting a government shutdown of the economy . . . in an election year?!

        Did we wake up this morning in some kind of Twilight Zone alternate reality?

        If shutdown vs. open up the economy becomes a Democrat vs. Republican issue, Biden will lose, but even worse than that . . . did Biden and his campaign team really learn nothing from the 2016 election?

        If there was nothing else to learn from that election, it was that if Democratic party consistently tells the white, blue collar, middle class of the Midwest that they hate them as homobphobes, Islamophobes, xenophobes, and racists, eventually, the white, blue collar, middle class of the Midwest will start to think that the Democratic party doesn’t like them. I’m Biden supporters in California, New York, and Seattle will love to hear about how Midwestern white people are a bunch of deplorable white supremacists who want the economy open again, but the election will be decided in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin–again.

        Have they really learned nothing?

        1. It may also lead them to question what is wrong with racism, homophobia, or Islamophobia.

        2. Have they really learned nothing?
          Yes.

        3. I think it all stems from the belief that the people he is insulting are outnumbered and, therefore, irrelevant.

          “Our team is bigger, and we will win, and that’s Democracy.”

    2. The Democrats internal polling on Biden’s appeal to minorities must be absolutely awful.

      1. He supposedly beat out Sanders because of the support of African-Americans, but that doesn’t necessarily translate a) to other candidates who are more appealing to average people than Sanders or b) to other states, where the African-American vote isn’t necessarily the determining factor.

        If Biden wins by even larger margins in California, Illinois, and New York because of minority support, he’ll get the same number of electoral college votes from those states as Hillary Clinton did when she lost.

        I think it more likely that the campaign people who are running Biden’s social media are so far out there that they genuinely believe that smearing average Americans who are scared about losing their jobs and their homes as white supremacists is an appealing thing to do–and not just to minorities but to white liberals, who imagine they’re striking a blow against white supremacy every time they vote against a Republican.

        I think Biden’s campaign staff can’t stop hating on average white people because being a social justice warrior isn’t just what they do. It’s who they are. If hating on the white, blue collar, middle class of the Midwest for being homophobic, xenophobic, white supremacists is wrong, they don’t want to be right.

        1. I wonder where this hatred of whites comes from.

          1. Because you have to harvest the black vote, somehow. Rather than focusing of economic opportunity, Democrats opted for turning white guilt into a policy position; which, surely enough (and, inevitably) turned into outright racism. And, at this point, they cannot turn away. They went all in and left without nothing else as an alternative.

            1. So Democrats went back to peddling racism.

              Do they realize this will diminish deterrents against, or even magnifiy incentives for, white people to join Stormfront?

    3. do you want to know what the real supreme irony is? Biden could be considered partially responsible for the OC bombing. McVeigh is on the record that he chose to use a bomb because Biden’s assault weapon ban made him think it was too risky to get an assault rifle. How much damage do you think McVeigh could have done with an AR-15? I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say it wouldn’t have been 168 people.

  29. Giuliani: China Sent Death ‘Ambassadors’ Around World

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pandemic-death-wuhan-lab/2020/04/19/id/963586/

    China not only unleashed the deadly coronavirus pandemic on the world, but they “protected themselves” while doing it, closing down travel in their country from the city of Wuhan but permitting it internationally, according to former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

    “They sent over a million people around the world – 1.5 million – almost like ambassadors carrying the disease,” Giuliani told host John Catsimatidis on Sunday’s “The Cats Roundtable” on 970 AM-N.Y.

    1. How Bill Clinton junked America’s supremacy

      https://spectator.us/bill-clinton-junked-america-supremacy/

      Clinton was never much good at honoring vows. The truth is that China wasn’t put under any sustained pressure to embrace western democratic standards — too much money was at stake for such concerns. Westerners contented themselves with bleating occasionally about human rights, while China was allowed strictly to control its vast internal market — allowing western companies in but only under its terms.

    2. China is going to get reamed by the international community once this blows down. You have England claiming that the disease came from the Wuhan lab, the US is saying they believe it’s likely but are still confirming. This whole year is gonna get even more interesting than it already is, I have no doubt

      1. Yes. Red China’s lies and obfuscation has directly lead to the deaths of thousands of Americans. That cannot go unanswered or unpunished.

        I am done with buying anything from China. My hope is Americans will voluntarily do the same.

  30. Maher made the mistake of inviting Crenshaw on after praising him earlier in the week. Crenshaw came well prepared and rebutted every Maher point. Was a good interview for Crenshaw.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/04/19/crenshaw-schools-maher-after-comedian-accuses-trump-of-poorly-handling-the-corona-n2567205

    1. I saw Tim Poole’s coverage of that, this is why the leftists never have real debates or conversations, if they speak against anything other than a strawman, their argument falls apart.

  31. The COVID-19 outbreak could keep Libertarians and Greens off ballots.

    Maybe *that* will help the minor parties to get candidates elected!
    Just write in whoever you want on the mail-in ballot.

    1. And on the mail-in ballots of your neighbors and anybody whose mailboxes you’re visiting.

  32. Not in this article, but I saw elsewhere (Alex Berenson’s Twitter) how a tulip farm in NJ has been doing drive-through viewings of the tulips for a little while, with rigorous physical distancing imposed (everyone must stay in their cars, tickets sold online, etc.). I’m guessing they traditionally do this as a walking thing, and are trying to make the best of a bad situation for themselves and the people who look forward to this every year. Anyhow, they received a shutdown order from some state attorney. Stuff like this, shutting down outdoor recreation which is inherently socially distant, discouraging outdoor exercise- it really does seem like the overriding goal is to eliminate any hope and joy in people’s lives. They want you to be thinking about this thing constantly, to be terrified about it, and to be reminded how grateful you should be because, were it not for the heroic actions of your government, you would almost certainly be dead. The only permitted forms of amusement are streaming services, because at least there you can be bombarded with ads from globalist corporations reminding you how we are #saferathome and #alonetogether.

    1. Well said, sir.

    2. I never pictured myself in 1000 years being in the mob cheering for the french revolution, but judging by the level of disgust I currently feeling at the cheerleaders and ruling class right now I’m not positive I wouldn’t be right there cheering back then.

      1. But do you eat cake?
        Or Just Queen Nancy’s ice cream?

        1. fairly certain he eats Fuddruckers.

      2. It’s really getting to that point, and I won’t be feeling too badly when it happens.

      3. I’m with you, idle

    3. And meanwhile, we get endless gaslighting from fake libertarian scumbagettas like Lizzie telling us the ever-increasing martial law implementations are for our own good, and anyone who resents them is a cultist.

      1. The entire media is one big gaslighting compilation. Look at what they’re trying to say now and compare it to when Trump first started taking action, they’ve done a complete 180, but they don’t care, they just want to bash trump and any who support him.

    4. Nothing the commissars of the People’s Republic of NJ does surprises me.

    5. There is a reason why cold and flu season ends right about now every year. People should be encouraged to go outside as much as possible. You aren’t going to catch the SARS from being in a park.

  33. MSNBC:

    “One thing I think is really interesting is how these protests have started after all the headlines last week or so about the disproportionate effect the virus is having in communities of color, and so when I look at these protests what I see are a bunch of white people essentially saying ‘oh, it’s affecting those people, so why do I have to change my life for them,'” said Graham.
    “If you want the government to open up, then you want more black and brown people to die,” Harriot added.

    1. That was a real gem. Idiots.

    2. Well they don’t have to go back to work if they don’t want to. wait thats already a thing.
      Thats Racist Brown people work hard even during the shelter in place as gardeners and maids for the rich white liberals.

      On of my liberal client’s sister actually got kungflu from her maid so this story is true

    3. Fine. I want people to die. Now can you please open it up?

  34. htts://www.newsmax.com/politics/pandemic-death-wuhan-lab/2020/04/19/id/963586/

    When the pandemic started in Wuhan, the Chinese government banned travel from Wuhan to other parts of China but allowed international travel from Wuhan. I don’t see how there could possibly be an innocent explanation for that. It certainly wasn’t an accident. Whatever the source of the Wuhan virus pandemic, China intentionally ensured that it spread to the world. I don’t even think governments like Iran or North Korea would do something that malevolent.

    1. OK. Let’s assume their actions after discovering an epidemic on their soil, were malevolent and intentional. What should the US, and the rest of the world, if we’re lucky, do about it?

      What are the list of reasonable options to obtain redress and compensation?

      1. War is out of the question and I doubt they would pay up if sued so quit doing business with them.

        1. They are also confiscating medical equipment owned by American companies that were made in China.

          1. War might be out, but as someone on my facebook pointed out the other day, letters of marque aren’t. Privateering is still technically legal, and if they’re 1. Directly responsible for this shitshow and 2. seizing american property, return the favor. Seize their shipping, they don’t have the navy to stop us and like you said a full blown war is out.

        2. War is not out of the question.

      2. That is a good question. It was an act of war against the entire world. What do you do about that? I think they should be kicked out of the WTA and be treated like a criminal nation similar to North Korea. The Chinese government has forfeited its place among the civilized nations of the world. I don’t advocate war. But, it is clear that trading with them accomplishes nothing except fund their criminal police state.

        1. I can see that. Yank their MFN status, perhaps some compensatory tariffs.

          They might prefer war. Their rhetoric over the last few years, and increasing a lot recently, has been, in the words of a retired USN officer and foreign policy observer,

          “There is a lot of this overcompensating, over-caffeinated verbosity being thrown about as of late. It has been building in the background for a few years, but COVID-19 seems to be acting like an oxidizing agent.

          . https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2020/04/somethings-funky-in-big-china.html

          From that post, which quotes an interview in Global Times, perhaps China’s equivalent to Pravda, if Xinhua can be called their TASS:

          “As China rises and walks close to center stage of the world, facilitated by the relative decline of the West, many Western countries are feeling uncomfortable, which is behind their unwarranted accusations against China. In the eyes of Westerners, China is not behaving as humbly as it once did. The West believes it occupies the high moral ground and only it can point a finger at others who it deems submissive, which reflects the West’s deep-rooted, self-centered mind-set.

          The days when China can be put in a submissive position are long gone. China’s rising status in the world, requires it to safeguard its national interests in an unequivocal way. After all, what’s behind China’s perceived “Wolf Warrior” style diplomacy is the changing strengths of China and the West. When the West falls short of its ability to uphold its interests, it can only resort to a hysterical hooligan style diplomacy in an attempt to maintain its waning dignity. As Western diplomats fall into disgrace, they are getting a taste of China’s “Wolf Warrior” diplomacy.

          Moreover, as Chinese diplomacy increasingly reflects the interests of its people, they have become more astute in diplomatic affairs. They are no longer satisfied with a flaccid diplomatic tone.”

          Things don’t get printed in Global Times without the CCP’s approval. They want to appear bellicose for some reason. Like they actually want to get hit after talking shit. Or it could be that the Chinese take their public diplomatic cues from people like Persians and Arabs?

          1. They want to appear bellicose because their corruption and incompetence has done enormous damage to the Chinese economy and the welfare of their people. So, all they have to offer to stay in power is the prospect of patriotism and making China a great world power again. It is similar to how Putin has stayed in power in Russia despite looting the country and screwing everything up. He convinced the Russian people that he was at least restoring their pride and standing as a great nation. That is what China is trying to do here. If you realize that totalitarian governments are more afraid of their own people than anything else, their actions become a lot more rational and understandable.

            1. Well said.

        2. 1. Immediately sell all the weapons Taiwan (Republic of China) can purchase.
          2. Immediately ship double the amount they pay for.
          3. Station an aircraft carrier in Taiwan
          4. Recognize the Republic of China as an independent, sovereign nation.

      3. Step one, give Hong Kong back to the Brits. Clearly, that situation was infinitely better for everyone except China.

        1. I think that would also require a war, sadly. It is a damn shame that they gave HK back to China. But I think the alternative was probably invasion by China.

    2. I don’t even think governments like Iran or North Korea would do something that malevolent.

      They certainly would if they thought there wouldn’t be reprisals.

  35. Shut down everything but mass transit – people might conclude mass transit is bad. Don’t suspend payroll taxes to keep people employed – people might conclude those taxes hurt their chances of employment. Better give them a government check.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/did-the-shutdown-of-new-york-city-fail.php

    The Metropolitan Transit Authority’s decision to cut back its train service to accommodate the reduced demand may have indeed helped to shore up the agency’s financial position, but it most likely accelerated the spread of coronavirus throughout the city. That’s because the resulting reduction in train service tended to maintain passenger density, the key factor driving viral propagation (Goldbaum and Cook 2020). How ironic it is that, from the public health perspective, the optimal policy would have been to double – maybe even triple – the frequency of train service. The agency’s decision to convert multiple express lines into local service only enhanced the risk of contagion (Goldbaum 2020).

    1. Open things up but limit the ridership on buses and subway and enforce social distancing in them. My guess is that and warmer weather would likely control the spread of this stuff just was well as what we are doing now.

      1. Who knows. All know is if the NYC transit authority was a privately run they’d be subject to criminal charges for their actions when this is all over with, let alone be on the hook for wrongful death lawsuits and civil lawsuits that would bankrupt them. We’ll see what happens media is happy to carry the Mayor and Gov water right now. But it’s looking more and more like the subway up their was the largest spreading vector and they did everything they could to ensure that with running less trains and piling people in into them like sardines.

        1. That and having the Chinese New Year Celebrations. If on say January 20th, they had closed the New York City Subway for a month, canceled the Chinese New Year Celebrations, and canceled Mardi Gras, how much different would things look? I really wonder if there wouldn’t be a significant outbreak at all.

          1. I don’t think that was that large of a factor but maybe. I really don’t understand why San Fran doesn’t have a massive outbreak if the Chinese New year thing was a huge problem. Of course Mardi Gras and New Orleans adds evidence in your favor.

            1. The virus wasn’t loose in San Francisco then but was loose in New York. It went to New York first.

              1. how given San Francisco’s Asian population and density, does that make sense? I don’t know the answers here and maybe you are right but I think we’ve been largely hoodwinked here by either how when Virus began, the timeline of development of spread of the virus or how many people have been exposed this. I don’t know where I come down yet on any of those questions as they are largely unknown right my problem is most people making these decisions are absolutely resolute and rigid that they have those answers and are crafting policy based on it.

                1. it could be due to it being a cold-weather virus. San Fran was in the mid 60s on the 2/12, with a low of 50. New York was in the mid 40s with a low of 37. Not sure how New Orleans falls in there though, because their temperature on 2/16 was just a smidge lower than San Fran.

            2. I’m guessing because CA already has a pretty large subset of those who’ve already had it.

              Thousands of people traveled to the US from China for at least 2 months of CV spreading in China before travel was blocked. There is no way the virus didn’t hop over on one of those planes to the largest gateway from China in the US.

              1. Kind of my guess to. But I don’t have any idea. The whole thing is strange.

              2. Agreed.

                And most people likely shrugged it off without any issues. Our fear of the unknown (only when we know about it) drove the reaction whereas the absence of the reaction to an unknown unknown indicates to me that this was never a big deal to begin with, until government decided to make it a big deal.

                1. If this was 20 years ago, before social media, I guarantee all we would have heard was something on the nightly news that there was a particularly nasty strain of flu going around- the Chinese Flu- that is hard on some old people, so try to remember to wash your hands when you visit grandma. In no case prior to Facebook, Twitter, and blog posts masquerading as online news, could I imagine the insanity, fear, and delusion reaching the critical mass that it has with this.

                  1. Completely agree.

    2. They don’t care rules for thee not for me. Same thing in fucking VA every single grocery store and convenient store has provided screens, cleaning equipment and masks protecting the workers save one I’ve been to. The staterun ABC store.

    3. All those people should have stayed home. Duh.

      1. I’m going to guarantee that is a legit position Mayor Frankenstien takes before this is all over with.

  36. “In any case, I believe that Google will eventually be required to treat news publishers, like music publishers, as equals.”

    Uh, minor detail. By law, Google is not a publisher, so it cannot treat them “as equals”. How about the reverse of this, Google charges the publishers advertising rates for each link?

  37. these stories should serve as a good reminder that the more outlandish and horrific claims about life under COVID-19 quarantine every media publication of any kind should always be approached a little skeptically at first with absolutely zero trust

    Fixed

  38. The mass shooing in Nova Scotia is horrifying. One of the surprising things about it is how wide of an area it encompassed. At least 16 people murdered across an area of 30 miles. I don’t think a shooting like this could happen in Texas–not taking such a long time and not over such a large area. The spree didn’t stop until the murderer was killed by the police.

    You probably wouldn’t need to wait for the police to get there in Texas, and the chances of the murderer not meeting any armed resistance from more than 16 victims over a 30 mile area doesn’t seem likely in Texas either. To whatever extent the law in Canada tried to protect any one of those victims by discouraging or preventing people from exercising their right to defend themselves, it failed miserably.

    How much harsher will our gun laws have to become before people in the United States no longer need the right to arm and defend themselves? It’s an absurd question, of course. We’d still need the right to arm and defend ourselves, even if our gun control laws were harsher than they are in Canada.

    1. Gun control laws vary from province to province, so some state gun control laws are already harsher than they are in many Canadian provinces.
      New York for example.

      1. The point is that they can never be so harsh that people won’t need the right to defend themselves. If any of those victims or their neighbors of family members were prevented or discouraged from buying themselves a home defense weapon–in the name of protecting them from crazed shooters–then the gun control laws did the exact opposite of what they were supposed to do and making them harsher to discourage gun ownership would only have made it worse.

        The number of innocent victims who are discouraged or prevented from owning a home defense weapon by gun control laws is probably far greater than the number of crazed shooters who can’t get their hands on a gun because of the law. Regardless, each of those individuals should have been free to make a choice for himself or herself as to whether they wanted to rely solely on the RCMP for protection rather than being forced to rely solely on RCMP–for their own protection.

    2. AIUI, he was dressed as a cop during his rampage, with quite a few of his victims being people he pulled over. Even in Texas, he’d be able to do that quite a few times without meaningful resistance.

      OTOH, cops here are more heavily armed. His crime spree didn’t stop until a tactical team spotted him the second time he tried to get gas. The very brave RCMP trooper who tried to stop him, and got killed for it, might’ve been able to stop him if she got a rifle into the fight, instead of relying on ramming his vehicle and then using a sidearm. I think in Texas, he might’ve gotten shot on the second or third cottage he kicked his way into, instead of him doing it repeatedly to several cottages and their hapless inhabitants.

      This story probably goes nowhere, except maybe bringing some additional gun control to Canada. I can’t find what he used until he acquired the trooper’s weapons, but I doubt it was an ugly black rifle or a handgun.

    3. P.S. Entrepreneurs to the rescue again . . .

      We tend to think of the AR-15 buyers and such as the important constituency when we’re thinking of support for the Second Amendment. The Cody Wilsons of the world pushing technological innovation get a lot of our attention because they’re breaking new ground, too, but support for the Second Amendment probably doesn’t come from that in the future. It’ll come from average people on the margins buying and owning guns.

      The more gun owners, the greater our national support for the Second Amendment, and in that sense, maybe the greatest force for support of the Second Amendment today is coming from manufacturers of low priced, high quality guns–like Taurus. I keep seeing rave reviews for their G3 home defense gun all over the place–and it’s only about $250.

      As the price for a reliable home defense gun drops and the quality of those inexpensive guns increases, we should see more sales to single women, marginal Millennials, et. al.–people who wouldn’t spend that much on a firearm before. Smartphones became prolific because they were inexpensive. Every kid in the high school can afford a smart phone.

      As it becomes more more like that for home defense guns, I’d expect the market to become saturated with guns–sold to people who couldn’t afford or wouldn’t spend so much money before. Economic change drives politics.

    4. Anders Brevik proved to the whole world that disarming law-abiding citizens is a dangerous immoral policy. He specifically targeted a group of unarmed people stuck on a small island and killed 100+ of them. How did he get those guns if guns are illegal in his country?

      No one is safe when guns are illegal.

  39. No nefarious backers need to whip out their checkbooks when cult favorites are on the case.””

    So here the author essentially calls all protesters Cultist. get a Grip ENB many of teh protesters are for real concerned about what this nation is becoming.

    1. Whatarya, a neo Nazi?

      1. whats ironic is teh left has been screaming about NAZIs yet they are creating a situation that may actually didivd this nation starting the violence they claim to be against. but some time i think they wish for the violence to prove their point but once it starts it may not stop.

        1. “whats ironic is teh left has been screaming about NAZIs yet they are creating a situation that may actually didivd this nation starting the violence they claim to be against.”

          It’s worth remembering that the left said that if Trump was elected, there would be an increase in violence.
          He was; the left added the violence.

    2. It’s called “projection” from a wannabe tyrant and card-carrying member of the cult of Obama and Hillary.

  40. SF’s mayor has decided the best way to deal with the flu and the bums is to move them into hotel rooms at taxpayer expense. Then (not before) finds there might be some problems:

    “In coronavirus landscape, moving homeless people into hotels is a puzzle”
    […]
    ““Believe me, I am grateful for the hotel room. It’s really nice,” said McFarland, 47. “But it’s insane that they didn’t get on this problem sooner. I mean, really, I was saying for two weeks before I left MSC that they weren’t doing enough to solve the issue — not doing the distancing thing — and now a lot of my friends have coronavirus. Why didn’t they?”
    (“they” should have been dealing with the ‘distancing’, not he)
    […]
    “The cost will be around $30 million a month.”
    (hey, the taxpayers are rich!)
    […]
    “Some local hotel operators who showed interest were vetoed by distant owners wary of homeless guests settling in for weeks or months. There were also concerns about liability and insurance.”
    (Gee, Mr. Hilton, you thought this was temporary? Ha and ha)
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/In-SF-s-coronavirus-landscape-moving-homeless-15211547.php

    There’s plenty more there, one laughable issue after the other; the whole thing a VERY expensive clown show.

    1. Nothing better than paying to spend a night in a hotel with non paying bums in the next room.

      1. Wanna move into that room after they are rousted out?

        1. Like they are ever getting kicked out.

        2. “Have the valet bring my shopping cart around front”.

    2. Newsom is using this crises to get what he has been proposing for years, permanent housing for the homeless. they will not be kicking them out once this is over. Our local authorities are thinking of using teh local fair grounds for the homeless. its rated top ten in the nation but the homeless will trash it like everything else and we will never get that piece of history back if this happens.

      1. Just call the homeless camp a roadside zoo, and they can make money off of it like Joe Exotic and That Fucking Bitch Carole Baskin.

  41. Can we, erm, knock it off with the first responder/nurses/doctors hero worshipping?

    Insufferable.

    1. Since we’re all in it together, shouldn’t we be worshipping The Collective?

      1. Ong, la nava em bay.

        Repeat. Feel the collective spirit roll down your neck into your pubes.

    2. It really is. Even fucking Walgreen’s has a “heros work here” banner outside. I hate the “thank you for your service” bullshit, I hate the copsucking and firefighter worship and whoever the hell else we are supposed to kiss the feet of (EMTs?). And I hate this.

      1. every commercial break there is at least on of those soon people will become deaf to it and Hero will be meaningless which might be a good thing but they will come up with a new phrase

        1. SUPERHERO!!!!

    3. Also, some goofball (and, I hope, their goofball kid- I noticed them right after school closed) apparently went around to all the businesses that are open in my little town early on in this and put hand drawn signs on the doors saying “Thank you for being there for US!!” with hearts and shit drawn on them. Now I am not trying to be mean or anything- assuming a kid did it, or participated in it, it is cute and sweet. But does go to show the degree of conditioning going on- anyone who dares go out of their house is a hero now. Unless and until they are declared a selfish villain for putting the world at risk by conducting commerce. It’s kind of funny, though, seeing those little handmade heart signs on the front door of the gun shop I frequent and the dive bar next door (which is has now basically been turned into a carryout liquor store).

      1. My guess is that it’s a bunch of stay at home mommies doing this. And/or dragging their kids along to do it.

        Here, they like using colored chalk to write the same sort of slogans on the ground. It’s similar to all of the hand inked banners we used to see around here while school and sports were still going on. advertising ‘so and so’s kid is #24, and he won’t let them score! Go Mustangs!’ I was floored when I was told it wasn’t some school Spirit Committee that was responsible for all of that cringe, it was the moms of the different children.

        Get a job, Becky.

  42. The Venetians and Genoese used to quarantine ships with infectious diseases for 40 days.

    These traders and businessmen were the Americans of their day when it comes to business.

    Know what they didn’t do?

    SHUT DOWN AN ECONOMY and quarantine healthy people.

    1. all Chinese entering California used to be quarantined on Angles Island back when our nation understood what could happen

      1. all Chinese entering California used to be quarantined on Angles Island back when our nation understood what could happen was filled with racist xenophobic backward clingers.

  43. I posted this on an article from over the weekend, but thought it might be worth relevant here too, re: how lockdowns can/should/will be ended, and how the left sees all of us as pawns in their chess game.

    There seems to be the suggestion in the language of some anti-lockdown arguments that locking down the people truly at high risk is OK, just let everyone else go about their business. Which is not acceptable either, of course. And there is even less logic in locking down those kinds of people, since the only reason there would truly be to protect THEMSELVES, where at least the argument for large scale lockdowns is to protect the general population. An argument that no one has the right to put themselves at risk is insane. If you want to set up programs (subsidized delivery of food and other items, etc.) to help facilitate their decision to remain isolated, that’s fine. But you can’t mandate it for them or anyone else.

    I’ve got to wonder, does the modern left support assisted suicide? In the 90s, that seemed like a big thing? Or even Terry Schiavo in the 00s, which was a little less straightforward, since it was more about who decides to pull the plug and when- not really the decision of the dying person themselves. But anyway, I thought that for a time the general “progressive” opinion put assisted suicide/euthanasia right up there with abortion as fundamental rights. Which was something I thought they actually had right- it would seem that assisted suicide is infinitely more defensible than late term abortion (and that’s not even to say that abortion is indefensible). But now, IDK… it seems like now the general opinion is that once they escape the abortion doctor’s tongs, every life MUST be prolonged as much as possible, no matter what the cost, and every single death is a preventable tragedy that government must be working on legislation to address.

    1. That’s because only the living can pay taxes. If you’ve escaped the tongs, you’re a tax cow.

      1. Not sure how many taxes the old and infirm pay (that the state wouldn’t get anyway after they die) but… now that I think of it, I am guessing the medical community and nursing home industry (which DO pay taxes and, more importantly, political donations) have a lot to say about it. Nursing homes in particular- I get a little irritated about how they are acting about how concerned they are for their residents through all this and it’s just so tragic if some of them would die. Have you been in a nursing home? Half of those people are barely alive on a good day, when they can at least shuffle their wheelchairs out of their room and have the same conversation for the 800th time with the other old people they see every day. Now, during this, they are literally treated like prisoners- locked up and isolated. The nursing homes don’t give a shit about the well being of the people who live there- they see them as income, a significant proportion of which (particularly in the “low-rent” homes) comes from the government. The home doesn’t need to worry about whether they are happy or whether they agree with anything; it’s not like most of these people have the option to leave. So yeah, giving them the option of at least offing themselves would definitely be bad for business.

  44. /puts card to forehead.

    I sense a disturbance in the progressive narrative.

    One, notice how they fucken love plastic now.

    Two, what are they gonna do about public transportation now given it’s the best place to spread a virus they’ve decided to pant shit about?

    1. Three, living like hamsters in a densely packed city is the best way to live.

    2. Urban living generally is clearly a huge (the hugest?) risk factor for contraction. That seems indisputable when you look at any sort of case distribution- many cities have infection and fatality rates that are far higher on a per-capita basis than suburban or rural areas. And I am not aware of any non-urban areas that approach the per-capita levels seen in cities with significant outbreaks. Of course progs love big cities and have been telling us all for years that it is the only responsible way to live. One of the major drawbacks to urban living for thousands of years had been disease- this isn’t new. But we haven’t gotten many outbreaks that have drawn our attention in recent years, so everyone acted like it couldn’t happen. Now it doesn’t even seem to occur to progressives that maybe their lifestyle could be partially responsible for what they’re seeing.

    3. Public transport? Obviously, they will want more bus and trolleys with seating 10′ apart, paid for by gasoline taxes, staffed by more union drivers, and free of fares so no money or cards need be touched by other humans. If that doesn’t work, then all city residents will be entitled to call a fully staffed EMT “bus” to get them safely where they want to go.

  45. Alexis Martin, who was sentenced to prison for “murdering” the man forcing her into prostitution at 15 years old when that man was shot by someone else in the course of a robbery, will be granted clemency by Ohio Gov. Mark DeWine.

    Interesting to see Elizabeth parroting the line that sex workers have no agency and her pimp (who she tried to rob) had “forced her into prostitution”. He was killed in the course of the robbery which was her idea. She even admitted the plot was to rob her pimp, but her thug friend got carried away and pulled the trigger.
    Seriously, somebody needs to stop Kim Kardashian.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgjTKrftXLM

    1. She was “forced into prostitution”. Isn’t that what all of the people who want to ban “human trafficking” claim? It seem to remember Elizabeth claiming that there is no such thing as “human trafficking” and that every hooker is a hooker because they like being a hooker.

      Elizabeth seems to have adopted the position that “the hooker is always right”. I actually agree with her about human trafficking. It happens but it is much rarer than the activists concerned about it claim. But, if she is going to take that position, she should not then turn around and claim that a woman who murdered her pimp while robbing him is innocent because she was just “shooting the man who forced her into prostitution”. Why is it so hard for the reason staff have a consistent position and live with the consequences of their views?

      1. Even people who claim that probably don’t mean it.

        I’m sure some do enjoy being nymphs and hookers. Others do it because they just think it’s normal until they perhaps see otherwise.

        My wife once told me a story of when she went to dinner with friends and they talked about anal sex. One of them said after being asked why she did it, ‘I thought everyone just did it and it was normal. But I can see now that’s not the case’.

        Ta-dah!

        1. I think the number of hookers who enjoy it is pretty small. That said, plenty of women do it because it is the best of a bad set of options. They are not forced into doing it anymore than anyone else is forced into doing a crappy job. I doubt the guys out in the cold and rain and heat picking up garbage every day are living their dreams either. But, it beats unemployment.

          To me both sides of the hooker wars are equally stupid. The anti hooker people pretend they are all victims of evil men who are kidnapped into slavery. The pro hooker side like Elizabeth pretend it is this great, empowering job and being a sex worker is just way cool, even though the people claiming that would never actually be a hooker in a million years. Neither side seems to want to face reality as it is.

          1. It’s definitely not ’empowering’. I wouldn’t my daughter getting into that and if she claimed it was ’empowering’ then I failed her because there are plenty of other things you can to be empowered other than being on your back like a Ho.

            1. No it is not empowering and it is not a job you would want to do unless the other options were really bad. But, sometimes the options really are that bad. It is a lousy situation all the way around. For some reason people don’t like facing reality in those situations. So, instead they dream up some cartoon that is easier to accept.

          2. The pro hooker side like Elizabeth pretend it is this great, empowering job and being a sex worker is just way cool, even though the people claiming that would never actually be a hooker in a million years.

            They are not even honest. If it’s really cool, then they wouldn’t mind their mother being a prostitute. Then they could go boast to everyone about what a cool job their mom has. Or is it just misogyny that leads people to think that the mom=prostitute is the worst thing you could possibly say about someone’s family.

        2. I never understood the appeal of anal sex.

          That is where the shit comes out!

      2. I had assumed this was a felony murder rule case, and her pimp got killed while she was accompanying him on a robbery and then she was charged with felony murder rule.

        If that is the case, it’s a different situation. If she murdered HIM, yeah wtf.

  46. a picture of someone holding a large swastika flag that said “TRUMP PENCE” began circulating on social media

    that sign would be totally believable….at a leftist protest

    1. Even if it were true, why would it matter? If someone held up a Soviet flag with “Biden 2020” at a Biden rally, would that mean everyone who likes Biden is a Stalinist or must stop supporting Biden if they are not? I don’t think so.

  47. “Progess” report on the “MILLIONS OF US DEATHS FROM THE FLU!!!”
    #

    1. “Progess” report on the “MILLIONS OF US DEATHS FROM THE FLU!!!”
      Number of world-wide cases: ~2.4M
      Number of world-wide deaths: ~166K
      Number of US cases: ~765K
      Number of US deaths: ~40.5K
      Deaths (US) in the last 24 hours: 45
      Damage to the US economy: priceless.

      1. One more try; Reason no take link.

  48. “Shake Shack Inc. said it will return the $10 million loan it received from the federal government’s coronavirus aid program, a small-business rescue effort that ran out of funding last week.

    The burger chain, which is publicly traded and employs more than 8,000 people, is one of several larger restaurant operators that have received funds from the Small Business Administration’s Paycheck Protection Program. The company is returning its PPP loan after being able to raise additional capital from stock investors.”

    —-WSJ

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/shake-shack-to-return-10-million-coronavirus-stimulus-loan-11587385439?

    There’s this thing called moral hazard.

    No doubt, there are companies who could not get funding from private investors or lenders because their underlying business isn’t good enough to justify the investment.

    And there are other who are taking advantage of this financing–so they don’t have to make concessions to lenders and investors.

    Because no investor or lender in his or her right mind would rescue this company is the very worst reason why the taxpayer should give them money, but giving money to companies that could get it without our help is another bad reason for taxpayer funded loans.

  49. Like last night, Reason’s two-bit software is not accepting links.

    1. Well, you can’t have more than one link per post.

      And if you try to post the same thing again without the link, it will reject the post, too–as if it’s already been posted.

      And then it throws dog poop on your shoes.

      1. Wish I knew who wrote this dog’s-breakfast web package. I’d send it to all of our competitors.

  50. Read this harrowing account of one journalist’s courageous battle against COVID. It’s tough stuff, but try to get through it- you owe it to her to understand her struggle. Maybe that will make some of you selfish pigs think twice about dismissing the seriousness of this! There were days when she had to take two extra strength Tylenol to get through. TWO!

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/19/health/coronavirus-diary-sickness-brooke-baldwin/index.html

    1. Hey, saving her from the third tab is worth at least 1/3 of the market’s value!
      Give me liberty…
      or maybe save me from taking three tylenols…

  51. Godwin’s Law should apply to public gatherings. And is Tennessee going to check county residency for abortions like Pennsylvania does for beer?

  52. I believe it was actually from February and not March.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlaH00Z4hd8&feature=youtu.be

  53. The Staten Island flyers are pretty obviously a false-flag operation: even if no one else where interested, why didn’t the people who issued the flyers turn up for the planned demonstration?

    The inclusion of “bring your children” and “even if you’re sick”, is also a warning. This doesn’t look like the work of Trumpistas; it looks more like a parody of Trumpista claims by their ideological opposites.

    And not a very good parody, either. Note “If you’re sick still come, it’s your right!” First, it includes one of only two exclamation points on the whole poster; a real Trumpista would’ve festooned it with the things, in imitation of their idol’s Twitter style. Second, what’re the odds that a real Trumpista would’ve used “you’re” and “your” correctly? Pretty minuscule, methinks.

    1. Dammit, Reason, why can’t we have a window to edit our comments? That’s supposed to be “were” in the first sentence, not “where”.

  54. But we’ve seen the dimwit lemming protests. Many Americans aren’t glued to Fox Pretend News, the Pravda of the west, all day long.

    Honestly. You’d think Murdoch would get into the business of the Fox Pretend News TV set that only has that channel along with a big nipple on the screen for all the babies who are scared to use their brains.

  55. If the morbidity was as described i.e. wide spread and fatal, people would be in compliance, like little sheep. Lots of people know now that it was just a mistake. A nanny state mistake.

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  57. How about some full throated defense of liberty here? These protests absolutely need to happen. Governors have seized unprecedented powers. That is far more dangerous than the virus. It’s time to realize that it doesn’t add up. It is absolutely not a worthwhile tradeoff. Let people assess the risk on their own.

    Here is what the response should have been: Secure and sanitize hospitals and nursing homes. Do lots of testing of people who come and go from those places. Encourage others with serious medical conditions to stay at home and avoid contact. Do NOT encourage people with mild to moderate respiratory symptoms to go to hospitals. Explain to people what pneumonia looks like and what to do if someone has it. No lockdowns, no forced business closures, no fucking bullshit.
    It’s looking like a lot of the real hotspots are hospitals and nursing homes. I think we have failed to protect those adequately. And I believe that the course we have taken will lead to more deaths among the vulnerable populations, not fewer. The longer the virus is actively spreading, the more opportunities there will be to get infected. This is an unbelievable fuckup. By trying to protect everyone, we have failed to protect those who need protection.

  58. ENB accurate as usual. Watching protests in Brazil is kind of like Germany 1935. Communist liberation theology partisans of their 16 subsidized parties shriek and rail against churchly fascist partisans over what the current President says. As in Oceania, it hardly matters what. Anything uttered on video will do as proof of Messianic status to the one group and proof of complicity in genocide to the other. Imagine banning the LP and divvying the Dems and GOP into 32 subsidized parties–and this is what you get.

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