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Nearly 3.3 Million Unemployment Claims Due to Coronavirus Economic Meltdown

Much about the COVID-19 outbreak has been unprecedented and historic, but until now it's been difficult to quantify exactly how serious a blow the virus would deal to the U.S. economy.

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The U.S. Department of Labor started tracking weekly initial unemployment insurance claims in 1967. Before today, it had never recorded more than about 695,000 in a single week—a record that was set in October 1982 and that has stood through several subsequent recessions.

Today the department announced that nearly 3.3 million Americans applied for unemployment within the past week.

Much about the COVID-19 outbreak—and the response to it—has been unprecedented and historic, but until now it's been difficult to quantify exactly how serious a blow the virus would deal to the U.S. economy. Initial unemployment claims represent only one metric, of course, but it's now obvious that the economic side of this crisis dwarfs anything the country has faced in a long time.

As awful as the unemployment report is, it likely understates the true number of job losses experienced as the economy shuts down in response to the outbreak.

Many people likely did not immediately seek unemployment insurance. Some of this is simply attributable to pride, while other people might not know that they qualify or might not have had time to file with their states before those states reported figures to the federal Department of Labor. Reports of jammed phone lines and crashing websites suggest that some people who sought unemployment benefits were unable to get them right away. Others who are out of work don't qualify for unemployment, which is not available for independent contractors or for self-employed workers in the gig economy.

Also, the data released this morning only cover the period up to March 21—five days ago. That predates some of the harsher shutdown measures enacted by states and cities in the past few days. As of Wednesday, at least 163 million people across 17 states were under orders to shelter in place. That's more than half the U.S. population, and the number is likely to grow before it shrinks.

So this week's record-shattering number of initial jobless claims won't be the worst of it.

Individuals claiming unemployment benefits due to the coronavirus could soon be getting an extra $600 from the federal government above and beyond whatever state-level benefits they receive. That's one of the major provisions included in the COVID-19 response bill that cleared the Senate last night and is expected to pass the House later today.

Those boosted payments will be available to gig workers and independent contractors who might not otherwise get unemployment benefits. The federal payments will last for 13 weeks, and are expected to cost about $260 billion in total.

Out-of-work Americans can also look forward to tax rebate checks of $1,200 per person (and $500 per child) that will be coming within the next three weeks.

Unfortunately, those two worthwhile provisions of the COVID-19 response package account for only about $600 billion of the $2.2 trillion package. The rest of the 880-page bill is, as Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown noted this morning, brimming with bailouts for government-favored corporations.

The unemployment claims figures released this morning are likely only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the economic chaos that will be wrought by the outbreak. We are now in uncharted territory.

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  1. I’d like to see a deeper dive into the numbers. Curious if workers in Democratic Party mandated lockdown states are hit the hardest.

    1. I just bought a brand new BMW after having made $6375 this past one month and just over 12k last 4 week. This is the best and most financially rewarding job I’ve ever had. I actually started this few Weeks ago and almost immediately started to bring home minimum 74BUCKS p/h… Read More

      1. How wonderful! Now if you were only allowed to drive it anywhere!

    2. Trump always TRIES to punish Democrats … for inventing their goddamn virus hoax. As well he should!

      1. “virus hoax”

        Still peddling the lie, huh Hihn.
        You really are a one-trick pony.

        1. HERE’S THE PROOF, LYING TRUMPTARDS

          SATIRE OF LOSERS:
          Trump always TRIES to punish Democrats … for inventing their goddamn virus hoax. As well he should

          Mother’s lament: “Still peddling the lie, huh Hihn.”
          Sevo: “Yes, it is a lie, and most of us reading comprehension skills above the 3rd grade-level.”
          JesseAz: It is amazing hoe Hihn and DoL peddle the sammies.

          SUCK IT UP, BRAINWASHED PUPPETS

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=G5TZ6fTYrsE&feature=emb_logo

          *SNEER*

      2. It is amazing hoe Hihn and DoL peddle the sammies.

        1. Sammies and same lies. Now I’m hungry.

        2. “One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

          It’s not a lie. Sorry we don’t all have secret Trump decoder rings.

          Next time pick someone with actual communication skills for your cult leader.

          Here’s what lying looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7_t2Ri2Zg

          1. You do realize you’ve now posted this twice and all it does is show you have the reading comprehension of a child right? He didn’t call the virus a lie. That is clear in your link. He is comparing the reaction of the Democrats to that of the Hoaxes. This is further clarified by virtually every fact checking organization around.

            Only you and your 3rd grade comprehension level keep repeating this as Trump calling the Virus a Hoax.

            I recommend you go actually take some basic literacy classes to help you.

            https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/15/joe-biden/ad-watch-biden-video-twists-trumps-words-coronavir/

            Please, triple and quadruple down on the fact you have problems with reading comprehension.

          2. “…It’s not a lie. Sorry we don’t all have secret Trump decoder rings…”

            Yes, it is a lie, and most of us reading comprehension skills above the 3rd grade-level.
            You badly need education and treatment for your TDS.

          3. Haha. Hate to tell ya Oppresso, but the “next time pick someone…….” advice seems to be totally lost on the D’s. They’re about to do the same damn thing as 4 years ago by nominating an old guard establishment candidate. He too will write a book titled “what happened?”

            Funny stuff.

            1. “what happened?”

              That’s every day for ol Joe

    3. It’s not the virus causing the problem, it’s the shutdown. And it’s politicians in blue states that are pushing it to the point where many people are under de facto house arrest, Soviet stylw.

      1. And the Democrats running India’s govt, the Democrats running Ohio’s govt, the Democrats running UK’s govt…. you mfers are so fucking stupid. The Republican President says we’re at war with the virus. What stands out most about a Republican is the way you mfers talk out of both sides of your mouth. Trump being the most visible example of it.

        1. “…you mfers are so fucking stupid…”

          This is called “projection”, you slimy piece of lefty shit.

        2. “you mfers talk out of both sides of your mouth”

          Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

        3. Pod…calm down. Please.

          1. Pod!
            I was trying to think of his previous name earlier, but was drawing a blank.
            Thanks for the reminder

        4. TMITW,

          Fair points, but can you show me any difference between the Stimulus that was expanded by Ds and about to be passed by Ds as a dirty risk shifting ploy from the too early “restart” of the Trumplicans? Both but ploys to protect the economic and political status of some at the expense of the blood and treasure of others.

          The old economy was too fragile to a pandemic shock and was broken by it. A new one needs to be rebuilt. Some will win and some will lose, just like in the old economy. Losing gives no one a right to the blood and treasure of another.

          1. Ok little bitch, I’m going to give you a chance to not sound like a complete fucking idiot here.
            You keep repeating this “old economy needs to be destroyed, nes economy built” bullshit – which is at this point vague, vapid nonsense.
            So go ahead: define what the “old economy” is. Define what the “new economy” will be.
            And then shut the fuck about the “blood and treasure” of others, as you clearly have no treasure and not a single person in this world would care if your blood was shed.

            1. Capitalist vs Socialist.

            2. If you’d read Hayek you’d know that not I, you, Piglosi, nor your god-king Trump can tell you what the new economy will be; that will be the ever evolving result of billions of peoples’ trillions of free market transactions, unless the socialists and nationalists murder the newborn in its crib.

              The old economy part is easy, it’s what we had until the pandemic broke it. We didn’t really have much in the first place, since it was so fragile and is crumbling so quickly and completely.

              1. So you have no clue what you’re talking about, but you think it’s profound.
                It’s not

                1. Remedying the economic and, appearing ever more likely, functional illiteracy of others is well beyond the scope of the possible in a comments section.

                  1. You’ve done nothing of the sort, and I’m doubtful you have any more knowledge than anybody else here.
                    All you’ve done is make vague assertions with no substance whatsoever.
                    You’re an empty little bitch

                    1. Well, he is a sophist. So vague assertions is all you will get.

      2. >politicians in blue states
        It’s red states too. Everyone has lost their goddamned minds. The local cops have enacted checkpoints along the highways around here in my very red state to enact their very own papiere, bitte.

        It’s enough to scare you into thinking of moving out of a country that is clearly turning into a socialist gulag-state but where would you go? Somehow, amazingly, the rest of the entire world is worse.

        1. I’m in Florida.
          Things are pretty lax here so far

          1. Same in Arizona, just very depressing.

    4. We have a Republican governor where I live and have been hit pretty hard. Near every non essential business shut down.

      Eventually things will need to lighten up.

      A deeper dive into the numbers here.

      https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

      The graph on the bottom right shows the overall curve of reported cases. Not looking good.

      1. So, 4 percent total deaths from confirmed cases, add in the 1:10 undetected ratio and that makes it 0.4% mortality, with Italy, Spain, China, Iran, and France leading the way.

        1. Why do you assume that mortality rate would hold constant once all available respirators and icu beds are taken?

          1. Why do you assume otherwise?

          2. Yeah, look how the number of infected people and body count never stopped rising during the swine flu!

            1. Covid-19 is 25X more deadly than swine flu, on the most relevant metric. How many people died, after the same number of days for each, from the first death. 100% accurate,

              Covid’s first death was less than a month ago, so the most recent published result in 16 days,

              Covid = 75 deaths. Swine flu = 3

              For the first few months, that could be mostly because covid spreads faster, still a sign that we aren’t doing nearly enough.

    5. Well you should be glad to know but the Scientist who predicted 2 mil US deaths, 500k, UK deaths, and global deaths… has walked it back by over an order of magnitude.

      https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/the-scientist-whose-doomsday-pandemic-model-predicted-armageddon-just-walked-back-the-apocalyptic-predictions/

      Glad we wrecked our economy for this.

      1. ONLY THE UK PREDICTION … NOT THE US.
        BECAUSE OF *STRICT* RESTRICTIONS, WHICH INCLUDE POLICE ENFORCEMENT, A MISDEMEANOR AND A FINE … FOR BEING OUTSIDE OF HOME FOR AN ILLEGAL PURPOSE.

        THE FEDERALIST LIED. CHECK THEIR SOURCE,!

        https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/

        The UK should now be able to cope with the spread of the covid-19 virus, according to one of the epidemiologists advising the government.

        Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London gave evidence today to the UK’s parliamentary select committee on science and technology as part of an inquiry into the nation’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.

        He said that expected increases in National Health Service capacity and ongoing restrictions to people’s movements make him “reasonably confident” the health service can cope when the predicted peak of the epidemic arrives in two or three weeks. UK deaths from the disease are now unlikely to exceed 20,000, he said, and could be much lower.

        The need for intensive care beds will get very close to capacity in some areas, but won’t be breached at a national level, said Ferguson. The projections are based on computer simulations of the virus spreading, which take into account the properties of the virus, the reduced transmission between people asked to stay at home and the capacity of hospitals, particularly intensive care units.

        EVERY nation showing a sharp drop in cases and deaths has mandated STRICTER restrictions.

        Italy turned their curve downward, shortly after 793 deaths in a single day — 4,000 deaths in our 5x population — by adding police enforcement of their restrictions on leaving home.

        England BEGAN stay-home restrictions just a few days ago, shortly after Italy’s success announced.

        CONTINUE IGNORING TRUMPBOTS.
        Trump is AGAIN defying worldwide evidence … Trump had ALREADY caused 2/3 of all our cases AND DEATHS, by delaying his 15-day lockdown … for over a month …. sneering that the virus is a Democrat hoax … that would go away, magically … would go down to ZERO, a few days after we had only 10 … and other ridicule, denials and blatant lies

        (His delays caused at least 2/3, because the infections increase exponentially …every infected person infects 2.4 more on average … then 4.8 … then 9.6 … then 19.2 …. for over a month of Trumpian denial.)

        Trump recently told Hannity that support for states will depend on who treats us nicely. (kiss his ass)

  2. That’s not a corona virus economic meltdown, it’s a government caused economic meltdown.

    1. Beat me to it.
      The disease might turn out to be pretty nasty, but nothing like the harm resulting from the manufactured PANIC!!!
      The tin-pot dictators shutting down the economy fancy that at some future time, they can flip a switch and the economy will magically start humming right along again.
      Put simply, they believe that central planning works.
      Well, it does. It works really well at demolishing an economy, and we’re watching it do so right now.

    2. I see you’ve payed knifey spoony before.

      1. *played* , doh

    3. Restaurants and tourism probably would have taken a hit without government intervention. But yeah, the damage is not for the most part from the virus.

      1. “Restaurants and tourism probably would have taken a hit without government intervention.”

        Possibly.
        It would be interesting to see the effects absent the TDS-infected media using this as a stick to beat on Trump.

  3. Employment imploding!

    1. I hope that everything will be much better soon

    2. It is rather humorous how 3.3M out of 100M sounds like the end of the world in news articles. OMG 4% of the 30% working citizens…. We’re all gonna die!!!! 🙂

      1. OMG
        Why would TJJ2000 CELEBRATE that ONLY 4% of our working citizens will be infected? …. a mere SIX MILLION INFECTED AMERICANS = 64,000 DEAD ….because Trump’s lockdown was “only” six weeks too late.

        THANK GOD (Trump) that it’s not more, 🙂

        1. Last I checked unemployment wasn’t equivalent to infected death.

          1. YOU ALSO CAN’T READ!!! (On top of the math blunder)
            I’ll dumb it down, if possible.

            YOUR 4% of 100M *150M* workers = SIX MILLION INFECTED AMERICANS

            6 MILLION INFECTED AT 1.1% MORTALITY = 64,000

            Anything else?

            1. LOL… Even better 3.3M out of *150M* workers ( I didn’t actually check the # but knew it was in the ballpark)… That’s ONLY 2.2% of the workforce is unemployed… OMG… We’re all gonna die…

              I don’t know why you keep bringing up the ‘infected’ word when all discussion is about unemployment numbers…

              1. I don’t know why you keep bringing up the ‘infected’ word when all discussion is about unemployment numbers…

                “OMG… We’re all gonna die…”

                1. Ya, I see how you could’ve inferred that wrong… No worries.. It was just sarcasm used to illustrate the panic over the “record shattering tally” of unemployment.

                  1. TJJ2000 SINKS EVEN LOWER. 🙁

                    It was just sarcasm used to illustrate the panic over the “record shattering tally” of unemployment.

                    THAT’S 500% MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS RECORD.

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/03/26/a-record-setting-33-million-people-filed-for-unemployment/#86169677ccfe

                    *HOW MANY HAVE TO BE OUT OF WORK FOR YOU TO STOP WHINING ABOUT PANICS
                    10X AS MUCH?
                    20X AS MUCH?
                    100 X????
                    ***ANY NUMBER???

                    **DOESN’T GIVE A SHOT THAT PEOPLE DIE
                    **SNEERS THAT 5X AS MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK.

                    ANYTHING TO DEFEND TRUMP WHO CAUSED IT.
                    HIS LOCKDOWN WAS SIGNED LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AGO ..,. OVER A MONTH TOO LATE … WHILE HE WAS CLAIMING A DEMOCRAT HOAX … SAID IT WOULD JUST GO AWAY, MAGICALLY … AND WAY BACK WHEN WE HAD ONLY 10, HE SAID IT IT WOULD SOON BE ZERO

                    *NOW* THE ORANGE KHAN SAYS HE’LL REFUSE TO TALK TO GOVERNORS SEEKING HELP, UNLESS ….THEY’RE NICE TO HIM???.
                    *uncontrolled vomiting*

                    1. And 1-in-a-Million is 100-X more than 1-in-a-100 Million but only a deceptive manipulative lunatic would try to make that mean something when any logical person knows its statistically insignificant.

                    2. *HOW MANY HAVE TO BE OUT OF WORK FOR YOU TO STOP WHINING ABOUT PANICS
                      10X AS MUCH?
                      20X AS MUCH?
                      100 X????
                      ***ANY NUMBER???

                      **DOESN’T GIVE A SHOT THAT PEOPLE DIE
                      **SNEERS THAT 5X AS MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK.

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  5. I wouldn’t be so quick to blame the coronavirus economic meltdown for the unemployment numbers, I suspect there’s a good bit of that human nature, perverse incentives and good intentions mixed in there. When Congress has been openly discussing making a law that mid-sized companies are going to be forced to provide paid leave for their employees and you happen to run a mid-sized company that sure as hell can’t afford to keep paying your workforce when your company has been effectively shut down by the coronavirus, just what the hell did you expect to happen?

    1. It’s the same thing as all those laws to create protected classes of workers – your best bet as an employer isn’t to closely monitor your workforce to make sure there’s no discrimination against women and minorities and gays and old people and handicapped people, your best bet is just not to hire any of those people in the first place.

      Or the minimum wage laws that are supposed to make sure you’re paying your employees a fair wage – your best bet to avoid having to pay your employees an artificially high wage is not to hire them in the first place.

      It’s almost as if the people who pass these laws have no business experience, are incapable of thinking ahead as to how normal people might respond to a certain set of incentives and disincentives, and are too stupid to seek out advice from people who might have a very good idea of what’s going to happen when you pull that trigger. “Unforeseen consequences” are generally only unforeseen to people who don’t even understand natural consequences and “I didn’t mean to do that” is a lame-ass excuse that should be unacceptable from a 10-year old. Yeah, I know you didn’t mean to do it, if I thought for one second you did mean to do it I’d be beating your ass right now instead of just yelling at you for not listening to me when I told you to keep your hands off my power tools. Now help me find your other fingers so we can get you to the hospital and see if they can sew them back on.

      1. Add to the list: When an endangered species is found on your business/personal property, all of a sudden your property is regulated by the federal government….and so private owners tend to destroy the habitats that would allow that species to make a home.

        This is fun. Can we do more?

        1. Well, I hesitate to mention that America’s foreign interventions, designed to bring peace and stability to a country or a region actually seem to have the opposite effect – but that’s only because there’s a theory that this isn’t a unintended outcome. Economic and political instability in a country or a region tends to drive capital into seeking safer investments and it’s no coincidence that the US and the US dollar, being the safest investments, benefit from economic and political instability abroad. But I’m sure that’s just one of those wacky conspiracy things like that since war is profitable for certain segments of commerce, those certain segments of commerce prefer war to peace and consequently push for an aggressively interventionist US foreign policy.

    2. ^THIS

      “When Congress has been openly discussing making a law that mid-sized companies are going to be forced to provide paid leave for their employees … just what the hell did you expect to happen?”

      ..

    3. “just what the hell did you expect to happen?”

      — Um, that people in the richest nation could learn to take responsibility for themselves even during those 100,000 times that life throws a stick into their “perfected” ground-plans.

      Instead of learning that crying and whining to the [WE] foundation is the easiest way to get what they want by the means of theft.

  6. So, how many COVID tests would we have to make to fully employ 3.3M people?

    Maybe, once they’re done making COVID tests, they can get to work on N95 masks.

    Then, once they’re done with that, they can make whatever else the government needs whenever it decides we it needs it.

    1. So, how many COVID tests would we have to make to fully employ 3.3M people?

      How would your average waitress or bell boy make COVID tests? Where would they get the raw materials from? The lab space? Etc?

      1. Isn’t it funny how 28-years of commie education never answers those simple questions…

    2. Well, your mistakenly assuming that “they can” while the FDA is insisting to NO-END-IN-SIGHT that !!!-they cannot-!!! by force of gun-backed dictatorship. In today’s Nazi land you’re told very specifically what you can and cannot do by someone else. They even almost tried to tell you what kind of light-bulbs you had to buy.

  7. At least they have their health.

  8. Group 1: Those still getting paid (companies still working, “essential”, lots of government employees)
    Group 2: Those getting paid not to work (Unemployment Compensation, Pensioners, Deep Pocket Employers, Government Workers)
    Group 3: Those not getting paid, business owners and those who don’t qualify for UC,

    I’ve posted this a few places and have conclusively determined based on the responses that most in groups 1 and 2 and are not A-OK but pretty OK with just staying in quarantine until some Doctor like the Wizard of Oz comes out from behind the curtain and says its OK. A lot of these idiots are predicting months like many 6-12 months of quarantine.

    And they are still Ok with politicizing everything since what the heck they are getting paid. These folks don’t realize that everyone can’t be Group 2 for long. The stimulus attempts to do that especially for business owners, Group 3, but its just temporary as in week snot months.

    We’re going to have have a plan to come out with the virus still around folks. It can be a good strategy and I think there are ways to do it we can just wait and it will happen by anarchy as more and more folks slip into group 3.

    Make no mistake about you very comfy group 1 and 2 folks you will become group 3 in at mos a few months.

    So stop politicizing everything, stop railing against “businesses” who are shutdown as being evil because you will be group 3 before you know it and then I can 100% bet you will change your tune.

    1. Trump is 100% correct when he says the entire country is not New York or California. I realize that’s something Reason is constitutionally incapable of understanding, but reality doesn’t care about their sensibilities. Different rules will need to apply to different states and even counties because of the different risk profiles.

      NYC fucking begged for this when their own health commissioner did the NYC version of Italy’s hug-a-vector. How many were directly exposed during Chinese New Year? How many of those became spreaders in the wonderfully efficient mass transit system? The same apples to NOLA’s Mardis Gras. Thankfully it appears that most places curtailed St. Patrick’s Day so that didn’t result in much.

      1. I realize that’s something Reason is constitutionally incapable of understanding, but reality doesn’t care about their sensibilities.

        They had an article making your exact point a day or two ago. Whatever their other sins, Reason is generally against one-size-fits-all kinda shit.

      2. California and NY City could have 100% shutdown for 2 weeks and the rest of the USA would barely notice.

        1. NY City maybe, but California? Have you ever eaten food?

          1. The farmers in CA ARE WORKING.

            I know because a large part of my family are dairy farmers and, as my nephew said, “the cows don’t care about any coronavirus. They’ll die if we don’t milk them twice a day.”

            They all live in a rural county – Tulare. I live in one of the nine Bay Area counties that shut down before Newsome’s orders. The magnitude of difference between the current level of activity between the two is night and day.

    2. I’m group 1 and I’m worrying about this shit. My job’s reasonably secure at the moment (our entire company can work from home, so while business has slowed, we are still bringing in revenue), but if this goes on for months, then yeah I’ll be sweating. I’m more worried about my brother who’s just picked up a new management position in food/bev, while he’s not in an area that’s demanded total shutdown, his restuarants are only doing curbside service and having a maximum number of staff in the building at a time. I tried explaining this to my mom the other day, people in minimum wage jobs who are 20s/30s aren’t going to be able to just “wait it out”, they don’t have the money and quite frankly, the disease isn’t worse than the flu to the mass majority of them. Eventually, you’re gonna get a mass push from these folks to end this shutdown.

      1. +1000

        Exactly on point that young Americans will push to go back to work by this weekend.

      2. … and the FDA-s monopoly force is making sure nobody knows who is contagious or not. This nonsense will never-end until people get rid of this implanted idea that the federal government is the almighty god.

        1. THEY DON’T KNOW!
          How SHOULD we know???? A scarlet letter?

    3. Group 1: Those still getting paid (companies still working, “essential”, lots of government employees)

      Just because a company is not essential doesn’t mean their employees don’t work; many white collar jobs, including high tech jobs, can be done from home.

  9. “…We are now in uncharted territory.”

    No, we’re not. We have allowed the government to take over the economy; we have empowered ever local tin-pot dictator to implement central planning of nearly all parts of the economy.
    This is NOT uncharted territory; this has been well-mapped since 1918, and every time humanity has wandered into this territory the result is, 100%, KNOWN.
    Venezuela, meet your northern, formerly wealthy, compatriot.

    1. +100000000000000000000000 — Perfectly stated.

      1. 81% said the country should continue social distancing initiatives, including “shelter at home” orders, “despite the impact to the economy.”

        REUTERS: The March 26-27 opinion poll, released Friday, also showed that the public is much more likely to heed the advice of doctors and local government officials than President Donald Trump.

        Only 19% said they would like to end social distancing as soon as possible “to get the economy going again,” including 11% of Democrats and 30% of Republicans.

        66% said they would follow the instructions of medical doctors
        64% said they would follow the advice of the CDC,
        51% said they would follow the advice from their state’s governor
        46% would follow healthcare directions from local police.
        ****Only 31% are “very likely” to follow President Trump’s recommendations and advice

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-poll-idUSKBN21E3FQ?utm_source=34553&utm_medium=partner

        1. Your off topic. Still!

          1. “We have allowed the government to take over the economy;

            BY DOING WHAT 81% OF AMERICANS WANT???

            HOW DO YOU PLAN TO ENFORCE YOUR PREFERENCE, CHICKEN LITTLE?

            (look for an even more nonsensical reply!)

            1. Thinking the USA IS a Democracy IS the problem. This isn’t a Democracy — It’s a Republic!!!! Enforcement IS the job of the judiciary, legislation, and president by the very oath of office. We have treasonous traders in all branches…

              Voting for treasonous traders is nothing to be proud of.

  10. Working age Americans sacrificing everything for Boomers at behest of a government run by Boomers.

    1. Age envy.

    2. “Better a thousand people die than I be inconvenienced”
      From a crisis vastly exacerbated by President Trump delaying action for well over a month.

      1. From a leftist who created it in the first place.

      2. 2/1 WaPo: Get a grippe, America. The flu is a much bigger threat than coronavirus, for now.

        2/3: WaPo: Past epidemics prove fighting coronavirus with travel bans is a mistake
        “Even if it were feasible to contain it, these measures could make us less safe in other ways”

        2/7: Daily Beast (hmm, doesn’t Nickie write over there?) Coronavirus, with zero American fatalities, is dominating the headlines, while the flu is the real threat

        And the hits keep coming.

        1. WaPo and Daily Beast editors should be strung up to lamp posts.

          1. Great!

            So just as so many here have said time and time again, they’re all equally guilty and should be ousted.

            1. How in HELL can you conclude that … about a video that shows Trump LYIN’ AND DENYIN’ for 9 weeks … as our deaths and infections tripled?

      3. “Better the economy be in ruin than I get a cold”
        From a crisis exacerbated by an old fart chicken little.

      4. You mean actions like shutting down travel from china despite the WHO still claiming it wasnt human transmitted? The actions Democrats and even Reason called racist?

      5. I love that you fucking pieces of shit call being forced to shutter your sole means of income an “inconvenience “.

        Go fuck yourself, Mary.

      6. From a crisis vastly exacerbated by President Trump delaying action for well over a month.

        What “delaying action”? Be specific. In fact, Trump acted quickly, and in many cases implemented measures that other countries first complained about or rejected, then adopted themselves.

        1. BULLSHIT.
          Trump’s lockdown was over a month late … as he SNEERED that it’s a Democrat hoax …
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=G5TZ6fTYrsE&feature=emb_logo
          … that would go away, magically .. that we’d be down to zero, just a few days after we had only 10 …. the same guy who believes whirling wind turbines cause cancer!.

        2. ”IT’S A TWO-WAY STREET’: TRUMP SUGGESTS FEDERAL CORONAVIRUS AID WILL BE GIVEN TO GOVERNORS WHO “TREAT US WELL’’
          During a Fox News town hall on Tuesday, Trump talked about providing critical support, like building new hospitals and supplying ventilators, to states hit hard by the spread of the virus.

          “It’s a two-way street,” Trump said of his discussions with governors about providing their states with federal aid.

          “They have to treat us well also. They can’t say, ‘Oh gee, we should get this, we should get that.’ We’re doing a great job.”

  11. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1243134237773107200

    1/ This is a remarkable turn from Neil Ferguson, who led the
    @imperialcollege
    authors who warned of 500,000 UK deaths – and who has now himself tested positive for #COVID;

    2/ He now says both that the U.K. should have enough ICU beds and that the coronavirus will probably kill under 20,000 people in the U.K. – more than 1/2 of whom would have died by the end of the year in any case bc they were so old and sick.

    3/ Essentially, what has happened is that estimates of the viruses transmissibility have increased – which implies that many more people have already gotten it than we realize – which in turn implies it is less dangerous.

    4/ Ferguson now predicts that the epidemic in the U.K. will peak and subside within “two to three weeks” – last week’s paper said 18+ months of quarantine would be necessary.

    1. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/

      Ferguson said the current strategy was intended to keep transmission of the virus at low levels until a vaccine was available. Experts say that could take 12 to 18 months and Ferguson acknowledged it was impractical to keep the UK in lockdown for so long, especially because of the impact on the economy. “We’ll be paying for this year for decades to come,” he said.

      The UK government is aiming to relax restrictions on people’s movements only when the country has the ability to test more people for the virus, said Ferguson. Some have criticised the UK for not following the advice of the World Health Organization to “test, test, test”. But Ferguson said community testing and contact tracing wasn’t included as a possible strategy in the original modelling because not enough tests were available.

      He said the UK should have the testing capacity “within a few weeks” to copy what South Korea has done and aggressively test and trace the general population.

      1. DISHONEST
        ESTIMATES DOWN ONLY IN THE UK
        WHO NOW PROSECUTES PEOPLE WITHOUT A LEGAL REASON TO LEAVE HOME … A MISDEMEANOR AN A FINE … EXACT OPPOSITE OF TRUMP

        https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/

        The UK should now be able to cope with the spread of the covid-19 virus, according to one of the epidemiologists advising the government.

        Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London gave evidence today to the UK’s parliamentary select committee on science and technology ….

        He said that expected increases in National Health Service capacity and ongoing restrictions to people’s movements make him “reasonably confident” the health service can cope when the predicted peak of the epidemic arrives in two or three weeks. UK deaths from the disease are now unlikely to exceed 20,000, he said, and could be much lower.

    2. I’m coming around to this was a bioweapon. The chinese own our institutions(colleges and universities have been pumping money into them for years) the university system is where we get our modeling from. They own the WHO, wouldn’t let anyone get standup numbers on this for months. They can’t win a standup shooting war with us so they just ran us off a cliff. They have bought and paid for the media many times over. They took advantage of our retarded bureaucratic process and political class and ran us over a cliff. The value of the dollar is totally wiped out. Soon to be the luann. You don’t want your bioweapon to kill people you just want the economic and societal fallout from the hysteria. Or it’s just incompetence at every level. But if this was a bioweapon couldn’t have worked better.

      1. But if this was a bioweapon couldn’t have worked better.

        ”It’s a mess, ain’t it, Sheriff?”
        ”If it ain’t, it’ll do ’til a mess gets here.”

      2. I can see it being a bioweapon, I don’t see this being released intentionally though, because China’s taking a beating too, and they were already in rough shape. So has Iran, China’s ally. China better pray to god that no evidence of this being created by them ever gets out.

        1. It won’t get out – the media will cover it up for them.

        2. China has never let it’s people’s deaths interfere with gains of power or wealth for it’s ruling class. See the great leap forward.

          1. also It’s an election year maximum partisan divide, in flu season so many early deaths in this country would attribute it to a flu strand and also the Chinese new year.

            1. My first suspicion was that this might be a low-level bioweapon designed for crowd control – specifically to disperse the crowds of protestors in Hong Kong – that escaped the lab.

        3. Once they realized they could save the young people, China just let it run through the country and jammed resources into areas with bad air to save the young. Old people will die, but the state will be more glorious for their sacrifice!

        4. China’s “beating” is statistically insignificant. And, if you think that their government gives a damn about a couple hundred thousand of their own, you haven’t been paying attention for a long, long time.

      3. If this was a bioweapon the chinese couldn’t have done a better job.

        Bioweapon would’ve been worse for them. You could point to the dead and demonstrate that the virus, originating in China, killed them. Ramp up industries, rally allies, and, literally or metaphorically, go to war.

        This, whether it was a weapon or not, the Governors are the ones who liquidated the economy. Most we can realistically or morally defensibly do is string our own Governors up from light poles. If it was planned, the psyops is far more ingenious than the biology.

      4. “But if this was a bioweapon couldn’t have worked better”

        Precisely

      5. Bioweapons tend to be less unpredictable and more deadly.

        If a country uses a bioweapon on the USA, they better wipe us out or we will turn them to glass.

        This virus is not deadly enough. All the details will get out sooner or later and if it’s anything but an accident, some country is going to pay the ultimate price.

        1. This seems like the Lefties trying to take advantage of a SARS mutation to nuke our economy and get rid of Trump.

          It backfired.

          Only a super desperate Democrat Party would even want to risk the failure of this attempt. The risk is that the Democrat media is blamed for the hysteria and the Party of slavery is never competitive in a national political race ever again.

        2. “This virus is not deadly enough.”

          How deadly does it need to be when the Ds/progressives/Leftists have shown their complete inability to keep their composure in the face of any challenge and signal their willingness to suicide bomb the economy for the sake of panic and resentment?

          1. lol.. 🙂 “The deadly virus IS the D-Party.” – Totally agree.

            1. DEMOCRATS SNEAKED INTO WUHAN, CHINA …IMPLANTED A DEADLY VIRUS … THEN INFECTED A VISITOR WHO RETURNED TO SEATTLE.

              Show of hands. Is this as bad as Trump’s crazed lie that it’s all a Democrat hoax????
              That it would just go away, magically??
              And that when we were up to 10 infections, that it would be down to ZERO soon???

              Does 99,700 = zero?

      6. The virus has been sequenced by many labs and the sequences are consistent. This is extremely unlikely to be an engineered bioweapon, given how it functions.

        (It is, of course, possible that China kept deliberately infecting political prisoners with animal viruses until they found something that fit the bill.)

    3. This Ferguson guy should be brought up on charges. He and his team at the Imperial College essentially screamed fire in a theatre on a global scale.

      If you think this just sucks for the UK, you have not been paying attention. That model was used to get Borris Johnson to reverse their policies on quarantining and lock down the UK. That same study claimed that 2 Million Americans would die if the US did a business as usual, and didn’t go into lock down.

      That model was in turn picked up by a bunch of liberal activists in silicon valley, who created the website- covidactnow.org that broke these same, hysterical numbers down state by state. That site, which had buttons for people to tweet “[date] is the point of no return for [state]. Tell our public leaders to act now!”

      Those same charts were being used by numerous governors and mayors as they justified their lockdowns.

      And now that the entire fucking country has been whipped into a paralyzed panic, Ferguson comes out and says “Oh wait, never mind.”

      1. Hmmmm, a faulty mathematical model being used to shut down the economy. Where have I heard that before?

        https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/25/wired-climate-denial-is-like-covid-19-denial/

        1. Atomic Mullah
          @Atomic_Mullah
          Replying to
          @AlexBerenson
          and
          @imperialcollege
          This started unraveling when it was reported that the model was based on 30000 lines of uncommented code written 13 years ago. Code that was never opened to the community for peer review.

      2. You can’t blame him. Math was the messenger. He’s just a platform.

        Otherwise, you’re unreasonably expecting everyone to moderate their own speech and nobody will ever get anything done because they’ll be too busy moderating their own stream of consciousness.

        Holding this man accountable for his speech means that either no one will ever talk or publish again or everyone will publish everything all the time and nobody will ever be able to make sense of it.

  12. Remember, the President issued his 15-day lockdown on …. MARCH SIXTEENTH … ten freaking days ago … well over a month too late. Do the math.

    Each covid carrier infects 2 more.
    2 becomes 4 … 4 becomes 8 … 8 becomes 16 … etc …

    Safe to say the President’s inaction allowed at least 2/3 of all current infections AND DEATHS … while he was saying … “it’s a Democrat hoax” .. “will just go away magically” … and dozens of other sneers and ridicule.

    But, NOW he says says he always knew it is a pandemic.
    Just as he knows spinning turbines cause cancer,

    THANK GOD he backed off from his equally reckless nationwide re-opening … finally listening to people who know what the hell they’re doing … his own medical experts.

    1. “…Do the math…”

      I have. You’re a fucking ignoramus squared and part of the cause of this disaster.
      Fuck off and die, you pathetic piece of shit.

    2. Tell us again how the 1/31 travel restrictions were xenophobic. Tell us again how NYC encouraging people to go out and party for the Lunar New Year AND on March 3 didn’t get them in this mess. Tell us how your leftist utopia shithole urban planning didn’t make NYC the perfect little petri dish it’s always been.

    3. Remember, the President issued his 15-day lockdown on …. MARCH SIXTEENTH … ten freaking days ago … well over a month too late. Do the math. Each covid carrier infects 2 more.
      2 becomes 4 … 4 becomes 8 … 8 becomes 16 … etc …

      If that analysis is correct, then COVID-19 has a mortality rate lower than a normal flu. In that case, we can reopen pretty much any time.

      Yes, indeed: “do the math”.

      1. If that analysis is correct, then COVID-19 has a mortality rate lower than a normal flu. In that case, we can reopen pretty much any time.

        INFECTION IS NOT MORTALITY!
        Infection is NEVER even referenced in those words.

        TRUMP’S DELAYS AND LIES — a Democrat hoax — have allowed at least 2/3 of our cases and deaths. Simple math

        1. Infection MORTALITY is NEVER even referenced in those words.

  13. Open borders was totally worth it. Now if only we could get rid of all tariffs everything would be solved.

  14. You people are insane, this was totally predictable, I’m not that smart of guy and have been screaming this from the rooftops from the beginning. Real unemployment from this is on orders of magnitude far worse than these grim numbers suggest. this fucking economy isn’t a goddamn light switch you’d think fucking libertarians would understand this. The bankruptcies that are going to occur from this are going to shock people. If this was a bioweapon the chinese couldn’t have done a better job. We are crippled economically from a bug that is going to not kill more people than a seasonal flu.

    1. ^+1
      And both of us have out-shouted as JFree, Hihn and other statists have been waving their PANIC!!! flags.

    2. As fucked as we are now, you can trust government to make it worse by trying to centrally plan their way out of this shitstorm.

  15. So let me get this straight.

    Back when we had the notion of militia (meaning how do you ensure the entire adult population can help the community address threats to the community) to handle ‘surge’/emergency, this number would not be 3 million new unemployed. It would be 3 million mobilized. Of course that means they would have to have had some training (maybe decades before) as a unit and in some specialty that had been deemed important to help deal with threats to the community. And stockpile/resources (surplus) in place or mobilizable in the form of either final goods or means of production (eg 3D printers and inputs to that) to produce the capital the militia/populace would need to address the threat. How do the militia get paid – likely direct in-kind and/or (my new idea) a flat write-off of debts (say $500/month for those in mobilization).

    Instead – we now have 3 million. At home doing nothing. To pay them, we go deeper into debt. Thus raising the cost of everything in future simply to pay the interest on that. And we still have no resources to deal with the threat. Hey – more debt. All threats require only money and debt to throw at them because money is always and everywhere completely fungible with the objects for which it is exchanged.

    1. Fuck off, statist. Stuff your PANIC flag up your ass, stick first.

    2. Nothing you’re shit-posting here has any basis in reality.

    3. “Instead – we now have 3 million. At home doing nothing. To pay them, we go deeper into debt. Thus raising the cost of everything in future simply to pay the interest on that. And we still have no resources to deal with the threat. Hey – more debt. All threats require only money and debt to throw at them because money is always and everywhere completely fungible with the objects for which it is exchanged”

      Actually well stated. No matter how much money they throw around – it’s the resources that matter and lazy people don’t make resources…

      Did I get that point right?

      1. Except that Trump caused it — by delaying his lockdown for over a month, because — a we all know — the virus threat is a Democrat hoax … will just go away, magically … and, way back when we had only 15, he said it shrink to zero in a few days. As crazy as saying whirling wind turbines cause cancer … WHICH *IS* A HOAX! 🙂

        Apparently hoaxes can kill over 1,400 people, in his deranged mind.

        1. IGNORED… That was not a question for you. But I did get some humor out of you claiming “Trump caused it” because he (supposedly – which is a lie) “Democrats caused it”. Partisan gang colors to the max!!! eh?

          1. (Posted in self-defense)
            MOAR massive blunders

            IGNORED… That was not a question for you.

            LAME. It’s an open question, addressed to anyone in this open forum. So I corrected THAT blunder

            Since you insist … NOW TO HuMILIATE YOU, AGAIN.

            But I did get some humor out of you claiming “Trump caused it” because he (supposedly – which is a lie) “Democrats caused it”.

            ******LIE*****
            1) He said the virus threat is a Democrat hoax

            2) HERE’S THE PROOF!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE

            3) He caused it by BULLSHIT DELAYS AND LIES, for over a month, which allowed AT LEAST 2/3 of all American cases and deaths.

            Anything else?

            (Will he smash a pie into his own face AGAIN? *sneer*)

            1. LOL… Your evidence, President Trumps states — “Now the Democrats are Politicizing the Corona virus” …. “And this is their new Hoax”. (Blaming Trump for doing nothing)

              Man you just can’t stop lying about EVERYTHING….

              1. *sneer* I PROVED you full of shit, that he didn’t say it.

                (Blaming Trump for doing nothing)

                DID YOU FORGET WHAT YOU BITCHED ABOUT?

                Except that Trump caused it — by delaying his lockdown for over a month, because — a we all know — the virus threat is a Democrat hoax … will just go away, magically …

                1. Have you taken your med’s yet today? You’re either doing a really bad job of mimicking what I should be saying to you or your now just trying to tell yourself that yourself is “full of shit”….

                  Everything below, “DID YOU FORGET WHAT YOU BITCHED ABOUT?” — Is you………. You’re utterly horrible at this..

                  1. Everything below, “DID YOU FORGET WHAT YOU BITCHED ABOUT?” — Is you…

                    Ummm, yes, THAT is what you bitched about!
                    You said it was a lie. You DID forget!
                    I PROVED you the liar

                    ****ONE MORE TIME, THIS VIDEO SHOWS TRUMP SAYING CORONAVIRUS IS A HOAX .. WHICH PROVES YOUR BITCHING WAS WRONG/
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE

  16. Any chance at all Reason will create a public service post on their landing page that shows a graph of the number of cases and number of deaths for both the COV19 and the ‘regular’ flu?
    Or any publisher at all?
    Maybe include traffic accidents and deaths just as a reference?
    Didn’t think so.

    1. If our leaders had focused on locking down California, Seattle and NYC early on and restricting travel to and from these hotspots, along with rapid deployment of tests, we wouldn’t be in this mess and $2 trillion added to the deficit. But I guess we all must suffer for the common good

    2. I posted the numbers from the CDC. It is waiting moderation because it has two links.

      1. Try again with just numbers.

        The 2017 Leading Causes of Death according to the CDC are
        -Heart disease: 647,457
        -Cancer: 599,108
        -Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
        -Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
        -Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
        -Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
        -Diabetes: 83,564
        -Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672
        -Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633
        -Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
        The CDC lists 994 deaths due to COVID-19.

        1. I don’t see medical malpractice on there…

          1. The Soviets categorized executions as heart failure. I’m sure malpractice could be spread among categories.

          2. Take 30% of each category and total it up.

        2. TOTAL NONSENSE
          1) HE ADMITS COMPARING LESS THAN A MONTH OF COVID-19 DEATHS TO OVER A YEAR OF THE OTHERS
          2) CANCER IS NOT A COMMUNICABLE DISEASE! (GASP)
          3) ALZHEIMERS IS NOT A COMMUNICABLE DISEASE (OMG)
          4) SUICIDE IS NOT A COMMUNICABLE DISEASE
          5)***
          NONE OF THEM ARE COMMUNICABLE EXCEPT INFLUENZA .. WHICH HAS A VACCINE AND TREATMENT
          5) ******CORONAVIRUS IS 25X MORE DEADLY THAN SWINE FLU

          ********HIS 994 DEATHS ARE NOW OVER 1400

          NOW COUNT HOW MANY SWALLOWED SOMETHING SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG

    3. Those are easy to find.

      I posted the data from Johns Hopkins on Corona above.

      Here is very good data on influenza in the US this year.

      https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

    4. TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ARE NOT A COMMUNICABLE DISEASE! 🙂
      The rest of your ignorance is demolished below
      https://reason.com/2020/03/26/3-3-million-unemployment-claims-due-to-coronavirus-thats-a-record-shattering-tally/#comment-8185603

      THAT comparison with influenza compared an entire year of influenza deaths with … LESS THAN A MONTH OF COVID!! 🙂 🙂
      Which is what YOU now demand!

      Didn’t think so

      And I know why!

  17. They played fire with panic and now they’ve lost the plot in trying to stop the pandemic.

    1. Overplayed their hand to stop Trump and ended up handing him the election. It would be funny if they hadn’t destroyed the economy.

      1. The DOW Jones is already back up to 22,198.50 points from the low of 18,341 on March 23, 2020.

        Democrats are doomed.

  18. Trying to pad the fall and preserve the old economy from the Crash of ’29; gave us the Great Depression, an imperial presidency, a massive and oppressive bureaucracy, and fiscally insane socialist entitlements under which we have suffered for nearly a century.

    Trying to pad the fall and preserve the old economy from the Credit Crunch of ’08; gave us the Great Recession, the slowest recovery on record, and continued paltry and weak growth. Despite the braggadocio of Obama, Trump, and their respective cheerleaders GDP for neither has exceeded Carter’s Malaise era rates.

    Let it crash sharply and hard, so that we may build again a stronger and more resilient economy. Both stimulus or ignoring the pandemic to try to get the old economy back to work, essentially the same risk shifting ploys, are just repeating the same mistakes.

    1. Totally agree. With one big caveat. Part of the crash always needs to be a creditor writeoff of debts. In both the cases you cite, that didn’t happen and in fact creditors got bailed out and/or bankruptcy was rigged in order to favor creditors rather than either balanced or debtors. The only way to clear the wreckage is to eliminate the bills from the last boom. Otherwise those bills just parasite off any new growth and strangle it – a debt-deflation like Japan or Greece.

      And a creditor writeoff forces the biggest beneficiaries of that previous bubble to pay the costs of that credit crash. Of their poor credit decision. Rather than to transfer it to the debtor (as mostly happens in bankruptcy during the bubble) or to someone else (say taxpayer etc)

      This was actually what ‘Jubilee’ in the bible (and before that in Sumeria) was about. The clearing of all personal (not institutional/corporate) debts and credits periodically so that it couldn’t just accumulate over generations. And once you figure out how it worked, you can actually see an economic subtext in a lot of things (like the 10 commandments, the Joseph story, etc).

      1. I’d agree with that, as long as everyone is taking their own economic lumps. Debtors that can reasonably pay some proportion, however small, should. Both parties agreed to the terms, after all.

        1. This is where Ecclesiastes may be useful economic advice – To everything there is a season.

          During the boom, debtors should be the ones taking the lumps. The very act of bankruptcy destroying future credit IS part of that cost during a boom. Inability to pay the debt during a boom is more of an individual issue.

          During the bust, creditors should be the ones taking the lumps. The bust is more about the total amount of credit and the speed with which creditors are trying to call in loans and get liquid rather than roll them over and such. That’s not an individual debtor caused problem or something that they can even be aware of – but it is part of the creditor decision since its part of how they fund that credit decision.

          1. Makes sense. Each had their time of exposure. Wipe the slate. Start anew.

          2. “…During the bust, creditors should be the ones taking the lumps…”

            Populist bullshit.

      2. “The clearing of all personal (not institutional/corporate) debts and credits periodically so that it couldn’t just accumulate over generations.”

        Nonsense. When my father died, his debt didn’t get passed down to me. There were no credits to accumulate and had there been any, his creditors certainly would have been able to make claims against them.

      3. The clearing of all personal (not institutional/corporate) debts and credits periodically so that it couldn’t just accumulate over generations.

        Debt is not inherited, so we don’t need “jubilees” to eliminate it.

  19. I just read this and it was such a clear and concise statement of the problem that it’s worth sharing:

    “There is a weird fallacy in people’s thinking that sees the economic problems as being caused by the social-distancing and the lockdowns.

    That is incorrect.

    The underlying economic problem is the virus.

    Any attempt to “fix” the economy before we’ve gotten control of the pandemic will fail. And it will fail not because of lockdown orders or social distancing, but because a free society cannot sustain a high-energy economic order with a pandemic raging in the background.” ~ J.V. Last

    1. This virus is bullshit. It’s a boomer problem and boomer pants-shitting has got us into a real fucking crisis.

      The boomers have cornholed America in every possible way, from foreign policy to spending (kick that can down that road boomer) and now crashing the economy with no survivors. And until they’re all dead they’ll keep fucking it up.

      1. Well, the quote is from a guy (judging by his pic) too young to even grow a real beard; and the boomers have decades on me too.

        The virus is very real and new and everyone’s problem.

        America’s basic economic and governmental problems predate the boomers, but they do share a lot of blame for doing damn little to fix them and piling on some few of their own.

        1. It’s not everyone’s problem. It’s a small subset of people’s problem. That small subset made it everyone’s problem by unrelenting statist lockdowns.

          Try harder. We know you really want control of production.

          1. ^^^ BINGO!!!! The consequence of the masses ignoring the U.S. Constitution (the very foundation of USA) and Limited Federal Government for the wildly out of modern control idea in a monarchy fascist dictator (the U.S. President – Not who it is but what people think that position is responsible for ).

            1. “Calls for a federal order—resisted so far by President Donald Trump in the name of letting states and cities respond to local conditions”

              Why I support President Trump most of the time — Not on the $2T bailout though and other central planning he seems to be getting wrapped up in just lately.

      2. “It’s a boomer problem and boomer pants-shitting has got us into a real fucking crisis.”

        Plenty of pants-shitting going on for sure, and it’s not all boomers.

        Why Your Parents Aren’t Idiots For Not Freaking Out About Coronavirus Like You Are

        “My cousin called the other day and sounded very stressed. Come to think of it, who doesn’t feel a bit stressed these days? Her source of stress was her parents, who are in their 70s. She complained they would not take this Wuhan coronavirus outbreak seriously.”

        https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/23/why-your-parents-arent-idiots-for-not-freaking-out-about-coronavirus-like-you-are/

    2. The underlying economic problem is the virus.

      This.

      Even the 3 million new unemployed mostly shows how marginal a lot of the ’employed’ are or were. The statistics may not have indicated that – but their boss certainly did and the employee almost certainly did too.

      And while the timing was certainly rushed forward by govt edicts, it’s ludicrous to believe that these wouldn’t have been the first businesses under and the first employees canned had the virus/infection simply doubled every five days.

      In Darwinian terms – just as aged/ill are the first to die and rapidly because of this virus – so are the marginally employed the first to feel the economic impact of it.

      1. You must be ecstatic that after a month we finally reached 1k deaths. Sadly you’ll crow you were right if we never get close to the 2 million you stated just a week or so ago.

      2. Yeah, right, marginal. Most popular local restaurant chain had 800 employees two weeks ago, now has 25. I guess their popularity was just an illusion and all the college kids, single moms, and older folks who worked for them (usually the progs finest examples of those deserving a living wage) were just marginal nobodies.

        1. 1k dead, 75k tested positive…
          3.3 million newly unemployed

          Doesn’t seem balanced

        2. Cheesecake factory says they cant pay their Bill’s. But the economic shutdown from the government is just a “minor” inconvenience.

        3. If you think restaurants would have been doing the same business last week and this week and next week with the virus doubling each time, what can I possibly say.

          Fact is – that restaurant business in Feb was based on ignorance. The govt didn’t test so the virus only existed in China. Once the government started testing here – and publicizing those results (despite no one actually paying for those results – which is kind of socialist eh), all of a sudden it exists here.

          Even that is too coercive for the flood of commenters here who truly prefer ignorance. Lalalala I can’t hear you Lalalala.

          There is an excellent case – based on I guess Hayekian ignorance – for government to have done absolutely nothing at all.

          Course I personally much prefer Hayekian knowledge but then I’m a statist.

          Those restaurant employees were absolutely marginal. As would be any of their patrons now. If not to ‘society’, then most certainly to the virus.

          1. “If you think restaurants would have been doing the same business last week and this week and next week with the virus doubling each time, what can I possibly say.”

            The virus which has yet to prove to be particularly dangerous? Sorta like the ones we lived through without chutting down the economy? That virus.
            Why, I’d expect a statist shit like you to be screaming PANIC!!!!!!

          2. “Even that is too coercive for the flood of commenters here who truly prefer ignorance. Lalalala I can’t hear you Lalalala.”

            BTW, Chicken little, realistic risk management =/= “ignorance”.
            When is the sky going to fall? Are you checking under your bed for boogey men?
            Is daddy going to save you?

      3. And while the timing was certainly rushed forward by govt edicts, it’s ludicrous to believe that these wouldn’t have been the first businesses under and the first employees canned had the virus/infection simply doubled every five days.

        Your risk of dying from COVID is still tiny if you’re under 70. People would simply not have noticed without hospitals and the media making a big deal out of it.

        1. Your risk of dying from COVID is still tiny if you’re under 70.

          MORE BULLSHIT.
          And your risk of infecting others is IDENTICAL.
          But, then again, we all have a GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to infect and kill others, right?

    3. “There is a weird fallacy in people’s thinking that sees the economic problems as being caused by the social-distancing and the lockdowns. That is incorrect. The underlying economic problem is the virus.

      You are committing the fallacy. The economic problems are caused by government reaction to the virus. If people hadn’t noticed the virus and gone on about their business, we would have seen a small uptick in mortality among seniors and otherwise gone on about our business.

      1. If people hadn’t noticed the virus and gone on about their business, we would have seen a small uptick in mortality among seniors and otherwise gone on about our business.

        And YOUR way, TWICE AS MANY AMERICANS WOULD HAVE DIED FROM IT.

        IGNORING A HIGHLY DEADLY VIRUS DOES NOT MAKE IT … AS TRUMP SAID … “JUST GO WAY, MAGICALLY” 🙁

  20. “Nearly 3.3 Million Unemployment Claims Due to Coronavirus Economic Meltdown”

    They economic melt down has less to do with Corona virus itself and more to do with state governors shutting down businesses in a panicky attempt to stop it.

    1. What’s YOUR alternative?

      HINT: The most successful countries at flattening/reversing the curve are MUCH stricter … including police charges.

      1. “What’s YOUR alternative?” — The federal government learns it’s job and the Constitution and stops dictating that over-the-counter testing units cannot exist without their almighty seal of dictative approval.

        Then, if people test positive they will choose to self-isolate – else be held responsible for purposely spreading just like the spread of AIDS because a person who purposely spreads a disease is one sick-individual..

        The only “Problem” going on is the “Problem” of people thinking the federal [WE] foundation dictator can solve their local problems.

        1. What’s YOUR alternative?

          FAIL!!

          Then, if people test positive they will choose to self-isolate – else be held responsible for purposely spreading just like the spread of AIDS because a person who purposely spreads a disease is one sick-individual..

          MASSIVE FAIL!
          WE’VE TESTED LESS THAN 0.2% % OF THE POPULATION.

          THE ONLY PEOPLE TESTED HAVE SYMPTOMS, OR WERE NEAR SOMEONE WHO HAD SYMPTOMS
          a) A new infection It takes 5-14 days to show symptoms.
          b) Many have no symptoms or very mild.

          ****WHAT’S YOUR ALTERNATIVE?
          Since you know NOTHING about this issue.

          1. And the MAIN reason no one is tested is because the FDA (the almighty dictators) are blocking the tests from existence and pulling their usual “give us money” and the power of law so we can monopolize the world.

  21. This will happen when people are duped into believing that there is someone who is good enough to rule over them.

    1. DOING WHAT PEOPLE WANT DONE IS …. RULING THEM!

      81% said the country should continue social distancing initiatives, including “shelter at home” orders, “despite the impact to the economy.”

      REUTERS: The March 26-27 opinion poll, released Friday, also showed that the public is much more likely to heed the advice of doctors and local government officials than President Donald Trump.

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-poll-idUSKBN21E3FQ?utm_source=34553&utm_medium=partner

      1. 81% isn’t 100% Dumb*ss.

        1. …. And individuals who believe deep in their heart that 81% gang-style dictatorship (“mob-rules”) is civilized is sick in the head.

    1. Yippee! JFree’s creaming his pants; 80K people have a cold.

      1. Sevo CHICKEN LITTLE BELEEBS that 83,000 COLDS have killed over 14,000 people, so far

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  26. SATIRE OF LOSERS:
    Trump always TRIES to punish Democrats … for inventing their goddamn virus hoax. As well he should

    Mother’s lament: “Still peddling the lie, huh Hihn.”
    Sevo: “Yes, it is a lie, and most of us reading comprehension skills above the 3rd grade-level.”
    JesseAz: It is amazing hoe Hihn and DoL peddle the sammies.

    SUCK IT UP, BRAINWASHED PUPPETS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=G5TZ6fTYrsE&feature=emb_logo
    *SNEER*

    1. Fuck off and die, pathetic piece of shit.

    2. Oh, and it’s kind of you to post the link showing your video comprehension is worse than your reading comprehension.
      You are very good at making an ass of your self and then posting links to prove it.
      Dementia is a bitch, isn’t it, you pathetic piece of shit.

      1. On second thought, I won’t bait Sevo aagin
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE

  27. BILL GATES PREDICTED A VIRUS CATASTROPHE …. IN 2015

    “We are not ready for the next epidemic,” said Gates in 2015. (He) mentioned the details about Ebola and stated that “the problem was not that system did not work well enough but the problem was we did not have any system at all.”

    In the Ted Talk titled ‘The next outbreak? We’re not ready’, Bill Gates predicted that the next outbreak would be more devastating than Ebola.

    “The failure to prepare could allow the next epidemic to be dramatically more devastating than Ebola.”

  28. 81% said the country should continue social distancing initiatives, including “shelter at home” orders, “despite the impact to the economy.”

    REUTERS: The March 26-27 opinion poll, released Friday, also showed that the public is much more likely to heed the advice of doctors and local government officials than President Donald Trump.

    The president took a hardline approach earlier this month when he urged people to gather only in small groups. Later he appeared to change course, telling reporters that he would like businesses to reopen by Easter, on April 12.

    The poll showed that most Americans do not want that.

    Eighty-one percent said the country should continue social distancing initiatives, including “shelter at home” orders, “despite the impact to the economy.” This includes 89% of Democrats and 70% of Republicans.

    Only 19% said they would like to end social distancing as soon as possible “to get the economy going again,” including 11% of Democrats and 30% of Republicans.

    66% said they would follow the instructions of medical doctors
    64% said they would follow the advice of the CDC,
    51% said they would follow the advice from their state’s governor
    46% would follow healthcare directions from local police.
    ****Only 31% are “very likely” to follow President Trump’s recommendations and advice

    Trump has now boxed himself into a corner, with no way out. He loses WHATEVER he does by Easter. Loses BIGLY

    Safe to ignore the raging deniers here, eh? The Chicken Littles.

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    It took 26 days to reach 1,000 deaths. (Feb 29 – Mar 26)
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    And that’s with the President’s lockdown. How much worse if the current lockdown ends, or is weakened?

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    The PACE of increased deaths depends almost solely on human contact, which is why every country recommends social distancing … enforced by police, in a growing number of countries.

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