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Opponents of New York Bail Reform Seize on Anti-Semitic Attacks in Order To Sabotage Important Changes

Jewish criminal justice groups are not having it.

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The same people who never wanted bail reform in New York in the first place say the latest anti-Semitic attacks in New York City are a reason to kibosh the reforms before the state gets a chance to implement them.

The start of 2020 ushered in looser bail requirements across the state of New York, significantly reducing the ability of courts to demand that defendants pay the state money or spend their time awaiting trial in a jail cell. Courts can no longer demand cash bail for most misdemeanors and many non-violent felonies. The reforms are similar, but not nearly as extensive, as the changes New Jersey has made to its own bail system.

These changes are intended to curb some of the bad outcomes of the cash bail system, which is supposed to make sure that defendants show up for court and don't cause trouble while they're free. In reality, cash bail demands have led to thousands of people stuck in jail not because they're a danger or flight risks, but because they simply don't have the money to pay. It has left many people who have not been convicted of crimes stuck behind bars as though they're guilty. Poorer defendants are being punished before ever getting their day in court, often for minor crimes. The prospect of awaiting trial behind bars incentivizes defendants to accept plea deals as a means of shortening or ending their ordeal.

Reform critics are finding media outlets like the New York Post to be a helpful megaphone. Several Post writers and contributors have been bluntly treating the new bail rule as though it's the end of the world, ignoring the fact that these reforms aren't as extensive as those passed by New Jersey. News coverage in the run-up to the changes have referred to the number of "inmates" that will be released under the new law, a description that suggests to the reader or viewer that these are people who have already been found guilty.

Former Republican Senator Al D'Amato took the umbrage to a new level in an opinion piece saying the reforms as already "botched," despite being just days old. He claims that eliminating bail is "forcing judges to grant criminals 'early release' by severely limiting their discretion in setting bail." In D'Amato's ideal New York, just getting arrested for a crime is exactly the same as being convicted. Who needs juries or judges at all?

It's been just one week since the bail reforms were implemented, and policymakers are already having second thoughts. The outrage over anti-Semitic violence in New York is causing bail reform supporters like Gov. Andrew Cuomo to consider the possibility of tweaking the law.

In this case, the discussion is whether people accused of hate crimes should be given more scrutiny. Cuomo said on Monday he'd be open to possible changes and even one of the reform bill's architects, State Sen. Michael Ginaris (D–Queens), is open to adjustments for hate crimes.

A lot of this reconsideration stems from just one person: Tiffany Harris, who was arrested for allegedly attacking three Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn last year. Harris was released without bail, and the very next day was accused of punching another woman. She was released again and then arrested New Year's Eve after allegedly skipping out on a meeting with Brooklyn Justice Initiatives, a group that runs supervised release programs intended to help defendants.

Harris is a problem defendant and the courts need a way of dealing with folks like her regardless of bail reform. Based on news reports, it appears that Harris needs a psychiatric evaluation, even though her lawyer insists that Harris is mentally sound.

Harris represents complicated, difficult cases that shouldn't be used to dismiss all of bail reform. In fact, one of the odder parts of the state's bail reform conflict is that New York City has already made significant changes over the past three decades that reduce the dependency on and demands of cash bail. Over the past 30 years, New York City's use of cash bail has slowly been cut in half. The city went from demanding bail in 48 percent of cases to just 23 percent of cases. Crime fell alongside the decline in pretrial detention, and defendants are still showing up to their court dates at rates higher than the national average.

Of course, the bail reforms in New York will need regular evaluation because of folks like Harris and others who can't stay out of trouble. But it's unconstitutional to treat people as though they've already been convicted just because they've been arrested, regardless of what sort of outrageous language the New York Post uses to describe this conflict.

And while opponents of bail reform are trying to seize on these hate crimes in order to attack it, Jewish organizations who care about criminal justice reform are not having it. Several Jewish organizations put out a group statement Monday saying that they support bail reforms and don't want hate crime incidents to be used as a justification for compromising changes.

"We won't let Jewish pain be weaponized against our neighbors," tweeted out Jews for Racial and Economic Justice. "The many violent incidents targeting Jews in 2019 and bail reform are not related, as bail reform only went into effect a week ago. We need real reforms to the danger facing the Jewish people, not regressive political moves that will needlessly hurt thousands of New Yorkers."

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  1. Wow, a bunch of lefty progressive Reform Jews care more about their political causes than attacks against Orthodox Jews?

    Tell me more about this strange world where the sky is blue and has only one sun in it, a red light means stop, and dogs bite men instead of the other way around.

  2. //In reality, cash bail demands have led to thousands of people stuck in jail not because they’re a danger or flight risks, but because they simply don’t have the money to pay.//

    This kind of fact-free “analysis” is why people don’t take this rag seriously.

    Below is a list of charges for which bail is no longer required in NY:

    2nd degree Burglary of a residence
    2nd degree Burglary as a Hate Crime
    3rd degree Burglary of a commercial building
    3rd degree Burglary as a Hate Crime
    2nd degree Robbery aided by another person
    2nd degree Robbery as a Hate Crime
    3rd degree Robbery
    Criminal sale of a controlled substance (multiple counts)
    Using a child to commit a controlled substance crime
    Criminal possession of a controlled substance (multiple counts)
    Criminal sale of a controlled substance in or near a school
    Criminal injection of a controlled substance into another person
    Criminal sale of a controlled substance to a child
    Criminal sale of a prescription for a controlled substance by a pharmacist
    Criminal possession or creation of Methamphetamines
    3rd degree Assault
    3rd degree Assault as a Hate Crime
    Reckless Assault of a child by a day care provider
    Reckless Assault of a child
    Stalking (multiple counts)
    Stalking as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Vehicular Assault (multiple counts)
    Aggravated Vehicular Assault
    Aggravated Assault on a child under 11 years-old
    Aggravated Assault on a child under 11 years-old as a Hate Child
    Menacing (multiple counts)
    Menacing as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Reckless Endangerment (multiple counts)
    Promoting a suicide attempt
    1st degree Stalking while committing a sex offense
    Criminal Obstruction of Breathing
    Criminally Negligent Homicide
    2nd degree Vehicular Manslaughter
    Aggravated Vehicular Manslaughter
    2nd degree Manslaughter
    Unlawful Imprisonment (multiple counts)
    Unlawful Imprisonment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Aggravated Labor Trafficking
    Custodial Interference (multiple counts)
    Substitution of children
    Coercion (multiple counts)
    Coercion as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Criminal Trespass (multiple counts)
    Criminal Trespass as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Possession of burglar’s tools
    Unlawful possession of a police scanner
    Criminal Mischief (multiple counts)
    Criminal Mischief as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Criminal Tampering (multiple counts)
    Cemetery Desecration (multiple counts)
    Aggravated Cemetery Desecration (multiple counts)
    Reckless Endangerment of property
    Tampering with a consumer product (multiple counts)
    Graffiti
    Possession of Graffiti tools
    3rd degree Arson
    4th degree Arson
    5th degree Arson
    3rd degree Arson as a Hate Crime
    4th degree Arson as a Hate Crime
    5th degree Arson as a Hate Crime
    Grand Larceny (multiple counts)
    Grand Larceny at a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Aggravated Grand Larceny of an ATM
    Petit Larceny
    Petit Larceny as a Hate Crime
    Computer Tampering (multiple counts)
    Computer Trespass
    Unauthorized use of a computer
    Unlawful duplication of computer materials (multiple counts)
    Welfare Fraud (multiple counts)
    Criminal use of a public benefits card (multiple counts)
    Criminal possession of a public benefits card (multiple counts)
    Unauthorized use of a vehicle (multiple counts)
    Auto stripping (multiple counts)
    Theft of services
    Unauthorized use of a credit card
    Jostling
    Fraudulent Accosting
    Criminal Possession of Stolen Property (multiple counts)
    Forgery (multiple counts)
    Criminal possession of a forged instrument (multiple counts)
    Criminal possession of forgery devices
    Criminal possession of a Vehicle ID Number
    Forgery of a Vehicle ID Number
    Falsifying business records (multiple counts)
    Tampering with public records (multiple counts)
    Offering a false instrument for filing (multiple counts)
    Insurance Fraud (multiple counts)
    Health insurance fraud (multiple counts)
    Criminal diversion of prescription medications (multiple counts)
    Commercial bribery (multiple counts)
    Rent Gouging (multiple counts)
    Residential mortgage fraud (multiple counts)
    Aggravated identity theft (multiple counts)
    Bribery (multiple counts)
    Perjury (multiple counts)
    Bail jumping (multiple counts)
    Obstructing governmental administration (multiple counts)
    Obstructing governmental administration with a self-defense spray device
    Killing a Police Dog or Police Horse
    Obstructing emergency medical services
    Obstructing governmental services with a bomb
    Escape (multiple counts)
    Promoting prison contraband (multiple counts)
    Resisting arrest
    Hindering prosecution (multiple counts)
    Making a false sworn statement
    Bribing a witness
    Receiving a bribe as a witness
    Bribing a juror
    Receiving a bribe as a juror
    Providing a juror with a gratuity
    Tampering with a juror (multiple counts)
    Tampering with physical evidence
    Compounding a crime
    1st degree Criminal Contempt – refusing to be sworn in as a witness
    2nd degree Criminal Contempt
    ALL Gambling offenses
    ALL Prostitution offenses
    Providing indecent material in minors (multiple counts)
    Riot (multiple counts)
    Criminal Anarchy
    Harassment (multiple counts)
    Harassment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Aggravated Harassment (multiple counts)
    Aggravated Harassment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Aggravated Harassment of an employee by an inmate
    Criminal nuisance (multiple counts)
    Falsely reporting a crime
    Pointing a laser at an aircraft (multiple counts)
    Harming a service animal (multiple counts)
    Public lewdness
    Illegal eavesdropping
    Dissemination of unlawful surveillance (multiple counts)
    Non-support of a child (multiple counts)
    Endangering the welfare of a child
    Assisting in female genital mutilation
    Endangering the welfare of an incompetent or physically disabled person
    Endangering the welfare of a vulnerable elderly person
    Endangering the welfare of a disabled person (multiple counts)
    Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
    Possession of an obscene sexual performance by a child
    Promoting a sexual performance by a child
    Possessing a sexual performance by a child
    4th degree Criminal possession of a weapon
    Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds
    Criminal possession of a firearm
    3rd degree Criminal possession of a weapon
    Criminal purchase or disposal of a weapon
    Unlawfully wearing a body vest
    Unlawfully fleeing a police officer in a vehicle (multiple counts)
    Enterprise corruption
    Money Laundering (multiple counts)
    Money Laundering in support of terrorism (multiple counts)
    Corrupting the government (multiple counts)
    Criminal solicitation (multiple counts)
    Conspiracy (multiple counts)
    Conspiracy as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
    Criminal facilitation (multiple counts)

    I mean, for fuck’s sake, look at some of these crimes and then tell me it’s just about a bunch of poor people being treated unfairly. It’s ridiculous.

    1. Conspiracy is a fake crime; if what people are “conspiring” to do is a crime, that’s the crime to charge, and the conspiracy is just evidence.

      Graffitti?

      If you’d taken some time to include real crimes, it might be a more impressive list.

      1. Are you fucking retarded, or just incapable of reading?

        1. Wow. Thank you for going through the list, not that Shackford will bother reading it.

          Agg. Vehicular Manslaughter, 2nd degree Manslaughter, several different degrees of Burglary, Riot, several different degrees of Robbery and Arson: the list of violent crimes goes on and on.

          Shackford does understand that these guys aren’t going to bother showing up for their court cases, right?

          1. If it was just graffiti and drugs, and other similar low-level offenses, that would be one thing. But this reform package basically allows anyone committing a crime just shy of outright murder to walk right out the door.

            “Promoting a sexual performance by a child”

            So, if you’re busted for filming child porn, you’ll be released to go finish the filming that the police so rudely interrupted.

            This list is fucking bonkers.

            1. So, if you’re busted for filming child porn, you’ll be released to go finish the filming that the police so rudely interrupted.

              I’m sure the cops will love to know how the movie ended.

              1. “Bail jumping”

                I don’t think I have to explain the irony of this.

          2. Most of them do show up. You lose. You need to check your facts before disputing them.

            1. No, you stupid troll, they don’t.

              They get a citation, ignore their court case, get a failure to appear warrant, and then play hide and go seek for awhile. Eventually—because they’re crooks, and keep on committing crime—they get picked up and the cops manage to put together than the Sammy Shithead who just got caught boosting John Public’s wallet, is the same guy as Perry Pendejo who FTA’d on his Unauthorized Use of An Automobile citation, and is also Jerry Jerkoff who got cited for Resisting Arrest, and Assault on A Peace Officer, and didn’t show up…et cetera, et fucking cetera.

              Whereupon the miscreant is taken before a magistrate and is made the offer to plead guilty to one of the numerous offenses, nolle pros’ the others, and after a short time, is let back out to do his thugging again. Maybe on probation paper, maybe not.

              We went through this shit in the 60s through the early 80s, until the public got fed up, and the War on Drugs unintentionally locked a lot of these guys up. And crime went down, miracle of miracles.
              That’s about to change. All because people like yourself and Shackford, and the idiots that came up with this set of ‘reforms’ got hit by the Good Idea Fairy.

              A cynic, and conspiracy theorist might think the change in criminal justice procedure is intended to result in a skyrocketing crime rate; all the better to give increased police powers and funding to the cops, so that the public can feel safer. Or to pander for votes in a traditional Democratic Party constituency. Hell, as Dora says, “Why not both?”

              1. Bingo.

                //A cynic, and conspiracy theorist might think the change in criminal justice procedure is intended to result in a skyrocketing crime rate; all the better to give increased police powers and funding to the cops, so that the public can feel safer. Or to pander for votes in a traditional Democratic Party constituency. Hell, as Dora says, “Why not both?”//

                Bingo, again.

                The black vote isn’t free, after all.

            2. Your Hihney is showing Alphabet Trolllolololl

        2. I could ask you the same question. Did you even bother to read your own list? Picking one at random …
          – Possession of Graffiti tools
          Really? You think that’s an accusation that deserves being locked up over? You have evidence that people who possess graffiti tools are inherent flight risks and that cash bail is a significant deterrent to that risk?

          At the other end of the spectrum, “Bail jumping (multiple counts)” is not eligible for cash bail because you wouldn’t be eligible for bail at all in that case. That’s a situation where you’re going to stay in pretrial detention no matter how much money you have.

          So given the indiscriminate list that you copy-pasted in from somewhere, are you actually capable of reading and understanding it?

          1. Jesus fuck, they literally have manslaughter, choking, and tampering with witnesses on there and you and your retarded friends focus on the graffiti.

            No, asshole, graffiti shouldn’t be on there. But there is clearly a ton of shit on there for which bail is thoroughly justified.

            1. This is why no one with any sense lets Libertarians anywhere near the reins of public power. You guys take great ideas, such as getting rid of malum prohibitum laws, or at least greatly restricting them from their current disgusting bloat, and leap headlong from there into assuming that most people in jail don’t belong there.

              No, I don’t have a problem with merely citing a kid with a spray paint canister. Or a quantity of drugs, booze, or cigarettes. Allowing someone who’s just committed any of the violent crimes on Guzba’s lengthy list, to walk around until trial—which is exactly what this policy will result in—is absolute lunacy.

              You lot realize that cops in NY, like cops in San Francisco do now, are going to de facto stop arresting people for these crimes, if all that results is a citation and letting the criminal go? It’ll even be unofficially encouraged by their superiors. After all, an unreported crime, is a crime that never happened at all. At least to CompStat.

              Insane.

              1. //This is why no one with any sense lets Libertarians anywhere near the reins of public power.//

                Exactly.

                It is easy to be a libertarian on paper, living in a lily white town somewhere in the suburbs of Vermont, while pontificating about “liberty” for child molesters and violent thugs as though NYC hasn’t already gone through several retarded cycles of letting its criminal elements terrorize the law abiding population to the point where people get blown away in subway cars.

            2. No, moron, cash bail is not justified. Those are some of the things for which you should stay imprisoned. It’s pretty clear you don’t have a clue what that list actually means.

              1. Second degree vehicular manslaughter. That is killing someone with your car while driving drunk. The bail reform mandates that person be released without bail pending trial.

                Please explain why you think that’s a good idea. I’ll wait.

      2. Did you just read two of the crimes on the list or did you bother to skim the other 500?

        1. “Criminal obstruction of breathing or blood circulation”

          If you choke a bitch, make sure she doesn’t pass out.

          1. +1 Eric Garner

          2. “”If you choke a bitch, make sure she doesn’t pass out.”‘

            Is this the Wayne Brady way?

        2. Not sure who you’re asking, because his inclusion of them shows he didn’t read his own list.

          1. Or maybe he just posted the whole list, and you sperged out.

          2. Here’s a random cut:

            Auto stripping (multiple counts)
            Theft of services
            Unauthorized use of a credit card
            Jostling
            Fraudulent Accosting
            Criminal Possession of Stolen Property (multiple counts)
            Forgery (multiple counts)
            Criminal possession of a forged instrument (multiple counts)
            Criminal possession of forgery devices
            Criminal possession of a Vehicle ID Number
            Forgery of a Vehicle ID Number
            Falsifying business records (multiple counts)

            There are some real crimes there, but buried in the middle is “Jostling”.

            Sure, one might wonder why getting “jostled” is a crime in the first place, but picking out a few iffy charges in the pile of other reasonable crimes and then dismissing the whole list isn’t really cricket.

            1. “Jostling” sound stupid, but it is basically a predicate for larceny; the old “Oops, sorry for bumping you,” and then you walk away with their wallet. In fact, I saw it happen on an NYC subway platform just yesterday … in full view of several police officers who then apprehended the thief (reached into a woman’s open backpack and took our her I-phone).

              https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/new-york-penal-law-165-25-jostling.html

      3. Such as vehicular homicide, Aggravated identity theft (multiple counts), 3rd degree Arson, Assisting in female genital mutilation, Riot (multiple counts), Grand Larceny (multiple counts), Unlawful Imprisonment (multiple counts), or Aggravated Assault on a child under 11 years-old?

    2. Aggravated Assault on a child under 11 years-old as a Hate Child

      What the hell is a hate child?

      1. As a hate crime lol

        1. More proof you didn’t even read your own list.

          1. More proof that ignoring the manslaughter on the list makes you retarded. Fuck off, dumbass.

          2. I think its actually proof that “Promoting a sexual performance by a child” isn’t a real crime, since, you know, you said exactly that.

          3. 5 different types of arson are like two lines away from the graffiti that so upset you.

            But I guess I can see how someone who lights himself on fire so often wouldn’t think arson a “real crime”

      2. what we call the cat

    3. Although I agree that there are plenty of crimes on that list that are violent crimes, I’d also like to point out that there are plenty of crimes on that list that are not violent crimes.

      Also, it would be useful to know the frequency of arrest for each one of these crimes. If there are only a few dozen people getting booked for aggravated assault, but there are hundreds getting booked for gambling and prostition, then this is probably a move in the right direction.

      I’m not sure if you were trying to insinuate that what you posted is “analysis”… because its not. What you posted is pretty close to the level of effort Reason put into its statement.

      We already know that bail is way harder for poor people to post than it is for middle class and wealthy people. The real questions we should be asking here is: should some of these crimes still require bail, considering that more than a handful of them are violent crimes?

      1. The point of posting the list is that while there are SOME low-level, non-violent offenses on the list, many of the listed crimes are heinous in nature, as well as violent, and people arrested for such conduct should be posting bail.

        Filming child porn, no bail. Really? That’s what you are defending?

        1. So you would agree then that arrest = conviction? It sounds like this is the point you are making. If arrested, then you did it, and we must treat you like you are convicted?

          While I agree that type of crime should be part of the bail decision, it should only be part of it. It should also be dependent on other factors (e.g., flight risk).

          Also, can someone clarify, is it the case that the crimes on the list absolutely cannot be set for bail or is it the judges prerogative?

          1. //So you would agree then that arrest = conviction? It sounds like this is the point you are making.//

            Not at all. But not all arrests or arrested persons are created equal. Someone arrested for graffiti should not be locked up if they cannot afford to pay. Someone arrested for drunk driving and killing another person (2nd degree Vehicular Manslaughter) should have to post bail.

            As for the law, if a crime is on the list cited above, the suspect *must* be release on their own recognizance.

            Given the breadth of the included crimes, I think we can see that this law is a giant hammer of insanity when a scalpel was needed. It is going to be a disaster.

            1. Given the breadth of the included crimes, I think we can see that this law is a giant hammer of insanity when a scalpel was needed.

              Indeed. I think you engage in this kind of thing when you make baseless accusations about defending pedophiles.

              1. I didn’t say you were defending pedophiles. But supporting an ROR for a person caught filming child porn is insane.

        2. gracias for the list.

        3. Filming child porn, no bail. Really? That’s what you are defending?

          I defended no such thing.

      2. “Although I agree that there are plenty of crimes on that list that are violent crimes, I’d also like to point out that there are plenty of crimes on that list that are not violent crimes.”

        And by “point out” you mean “notice what literally everyone else does, but instead of simply moving on, sperg out like my pedestrian as fuck observation is worth piping up over”

    4. JFC, some of those crimes should be punishable by summary execution. They’re letting armed robbers out w/ no bail.

    5. Geez, that is one hell of a list. Maybe the question to ask now is what crimes will require bail.

      In the People’s Republic of NJ, that we extensively reformed those bail laws doesn’t surprise me. Our progressive State AG is truly, how shall I say it….a state treasure. /sarc

    6. Let’s make this easy for the idiots.

      These are crimes that shouldn’t be subject to bail reforms–particularly the type that releases people on their own recognizance.

      2nd degree Burglary of a residence
      2nd degree Burglary as a Hate Crime
      3rd degree Burglary of a commercial building
      3rd degree Burglary as a Hate Crime
      2nd degree Robbery aided by another person
      2nd degree Robbery as a Hate Crime
      3rd degree Robbery
      Using a child to commit a controlled substance crime
      Criminal injection of a controlled substance into another person
      3rd degree Assault
      3rd degree Assault as a Hate Crime
      Reckless Assault of a child by a day care provider
      Reckless Assault of a child
      Stalking (multiple counts)
      Stalking as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      Vehicular Assault (multiple counts)
      Aggravated Vehicular Assault
      Aggravated Assault on a child under 11 years-old
      Aggravated Assault on a child under 11 years-old as a Hate Child
      Menacing (multiple counts)
      Menacing as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      1st degree Stalking while committing a sex offense
      Criminal Obstruction of Breathing
      Criminally Negligent Homicide
      2nd degree Vehicular Manslaughter
      Aggravated Vehicular Manslaughter
      2nd degree Manslaughter
      Unlawful Imprisonment (multiple counts)
      Unlawful Imprisonment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      Custodial Interference (multiple counts)
      Substitution of children
      Coercion (multiple counts)
      Coercion as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      Criminal Trespass (multiple counts)
      Criminal Trespass as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      3rd degree Arson
      4th degree Arson
      5th degree Arson
      3rd degree Arson as a Hate Crime
      4th degree Arson as a Hate Crime
      5th degree Arson as a Hate Crime
      Grand Larceny (multiple counts)
      Grand Larceny at a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      Obstructing governmental services with a bomb
      Escape (multiple counts)
      Aggravated Harassment (multiple counts)
      Aggravated Harassment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      Aggravated Harassment of an employee by an inmate
      Assisting in female genital mutilation
      Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
      Possession of an obscene sexual performance by a child
      Promoting a sexual performance by a child
      Possessing a sexual performance by a child

      And these are crimes that SHOULD be subject to bail reform

      Criminal sale of a controlled substance (multiple counts)
      Criminal possession of a controlled substance (multiple counts)
      Criminal sale of a controlled substance in or near a school
      Criminal sale of a controlled substance to a child
      Criminal sale of a prescription for a controlled substance by a pharmacist
      Criminal possession or creation of Methamphetamines
      Reckless Endangerment (multiple counts)
      Promoting a suicide attempt
      Aggravated Labor Trafficking
      Possession of burglar’s tools
      Unlawful possession of a police scanner
      Criminal Mischief (multiple counts)
      Criminal Mischief as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      Criminal Tampering (multiple counts)
      Cemetery Desecration (multiple counts)
      Aggravated Cemetery Desecration (multiple counts)
      Reckless Endangerment of property
      Tampering with a consumer product (multiple counts)
      Graffiti
      Possession of Graffiti tools
      Aggravated Grand Larceny of an ATM
      Petit Larceny
      Petit Larceny as a Hate Crime
      Computer Tampering (multiple counts)
      Computer Trespass
      Unauthorized use of a computer
      Unlawful duplication of computer materials (multiple counts)
      Welfare Fraud (multiple counts)
      Criminal use of a public benefits card (multiple counts)
      Criminal possession of a public benefits card (multiple counts)
      Unauthorized use of a vehicle (multiple counts)
      Auto stripping (multiple counts)
      Theft of services
      Unauthorized use of a credit card
      Jostling
      Fraudulent Accosting
      Criminal Possession of Stolen Property (multiple counts)
      Forgery (multiple counts)
      Criminal possession of a forged instrument (multiple counts)
      Criminal possession of forgery devices
      Criminal possession of a Vehicle ID Number
      Forgery of a Vehicle ID Number
      Falsifying business records (multiple counts)
      Tampering with public records (multiple counts)
      Offering a false instrument for filing (multiple counts)
      Insurance Fraud (multiple counts)
      Health insurance fraud (multiple counts)
      Criminal diversion of prescription medications (multiple counts)
      Commercial bribery (multiple counts)
      Rent Gouging (multiple counts)
      Residential mortgage fraud (multiple counts)
      Aggravated identity theft (multiple counts)
      Bribery (multiple counts)
      Perjury (multiple counts)
      Bail jumping (multiple counts)
      Obstructing governmental administration (multiple counts)
      Obstructing governmental administration with a self-defense spray device
      Killing a Police Dog or Police Horse
      Obstructing emergency medical services
      Promoting prison contraband (multiple counts)
      Resisting arrest
      Hindering prosecution (multiple counts)
      Making a false sworn statement
      Bribing a witness
      Receiving a bribe as a witness
      Bribing a juror
      Receiving a bribe as a juror
      Providing a juror with a gratuity
      Tampering with a juror (multiple counts)
      Tampering with physical evidence
      Compounding a crime
      1st degree Criminal Contempt – refusing to be sworn in as a witness
      2nd degree Criminal Contempt
      ALL Gambling offenses
      ALL Prostitution offenses
      Providing indecent material in minors (multiple counts)
      Riot (multiple counts)
      Criminal Anarchy
      Harassment (multiple counts)
      Harassment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      Criminal nuisance (multiple counts)
      Falsely reporting a crime
      Pointing a laser at an aircraft (multiple counts)
      Harming a service animal (multiple counts)
      Public lewdness
      Illegal eavesdropping
      Dissemination of unlawful surveillance (multiple counts)
      Non-support of a child (multiple counts)
      Endangering the welfare of a child
      Endangering the welfare of an incompetent or physically disabled person
      Endangering the welfare of a vulnerable elderly person
      Endangering the welfare of a disabled person (multiple counts)
      4th degree Criminal possession of a weapon
      Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds
      Criminal possession of a firearm
      3rd degree Criminal possession of a weapon
      Criminal purchase or disposal of a weapon
      Unlawfully wearing a body vest
      Unlawfully fleeing a police officer in a vehicle (multiple counts)
      Enterprise corruption
      Money Laundering (multiple counts)
      Money Laundering in support of terrorism (multiple counts)
      Corrupting the government (multiple counts)
      Criminal solicitation (multiple counts)
      Conspiracy (multiple counts)
      Conspiracy as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
      Criminal facilitation (multiple counts)

      Having those other crimes on the list and defending their being placed there undermines the entire idea of bail reform.

      1. Hey look, someone reasonable. This board is becoming more of a wasteland than I realized.

  3. Another way to handle things like this is hold the government accountable for keeping you from paying your bills. If the government detains you while awaiting trial, make them pay your existing salary until found guilty, or released and you have a new job or get the old one back; if you are found guilty, add that expense to the sentence.

    They’d be a lot less interested in detaining people, and possibly somewhat less interested in pursuing weak cases.

    (I’d also like to prohibit prosecutors from dropping charges except as part of a plea deal, and every charge you are acquitted on deducts from the sentencing for the ones you are found guilty of. That would cut way down on overcharging and make plea deals fairer.)

    Put some teeth into “presumed innocent until found guilty.”

    1. “”Another way to handle things like this is hold the government accountable for keeping you from paying your bills.””

      How is the government held accountable when it has to give out more taxpayer money?

      1. It is a deterrent. If you have any better ideas on how to hold governments accountable, please describe them.

        1. “It is a deterrent”

          AHAHAHAHAHAHA

          1. AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

            HE THINK TARIFFS ARE LITERALLY TAXES, THAT ““Promoting a sexual performance by a child” ISN’T A REAL CRIME, AND THAT GOVT PAYING OFF FROM YOUR TAXES IS A DETERRENT

            AHAHAHAHAHAHA

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        2. “”It is a deterrent.””

          For who? Government doesn’t feel the pain when the taxpayer pays.

          NYC has spent hundreds of millions over the past 10 year regarding police misconduct cases. What did NYC learn? Fucking nothing. Has it deterred NYC or the NYPD from the same behavior. NO.

  4. that will be released under the new law, a description that suggests to the reader or viewer that these are people who have already been found guilty.

    It also presumes that the accused wouldn’t have been able to make bail in the first place.

    Because:

    There are also situations in which bail is set at a reasonable amount, but the arrestee still cannot afford to make the payment. When this happens, the arrested individual must wait to ask the judge to lower the bail amount at a special bail hearing or during the defendant’s first court appearance. Depending upon your financial situation, the judge may decide to lower your bail amount, which could make it easier to get out of jail.

    Generally, the purchase price of the bond is about 10% of the value. Therefore, if your bail is set at $5000, you can expect to pay about $500 in order to purchase a bail bond.

    1. “It also presumes that the accused wouldn’t have been able to make bail in the first place.”

      This. Was there a giant calamity of people being held years without trial for gambling or prostitution or possession of personal quantities of dope? No. Those people got ROR’d, or minor cash bond. (And they still blew those court cases off, but who gives a shit?)

      You want to exempt non-violent offenders from bail. OK. God is in the details, but OK. You want to exempt people with a burglary or manslaughter case from bail? Are you nuts?

      1. In order to stop a black high school kid from spending a month in jail over weed or jumping a turnstile, we absolutely need to give child molesters and homicidal drunk drivers an opportunity to flee. There was literally no other way this law could have been drafted. They had to go full retard.

        1. “”There was literally no other way this law could have been drafted. They had to go full retard.””

          That’s NYS for ya.

          There is a legitimate reason for reform. But leave it up to NYS to screw it up.

      2. I play a game with myself now that I call “compared to what”. Whenever someone points out some kind of awful institutional injustice in America I ask myself, “compared to what”. This isn’t an excuse to dismiss the injustice– often it is an injustice that we should be addressing. But it’s helpful to know how other developed nations’ systems work. As of late, I’ve been doing a little light studying of the Japanese justice system. Say what you will, but America is so full of checks, balances and oversight, with options tacked on for every special circumstance, it makes Japan look like a 12th century penal colony.

        In Japan, there is no bail. You sit in jail awaiting the results of an investigation and/or indictment.

        An arrest in Japan will usually result in a minimum of ten days detention, with the possibility of that ten days being extended for another ten on request of the prosecutor, including the 72 hours they’ll hold you upon initial arrest– for a total of 23 days. That’s without being charged.

        If you’re a foreigner, the likelihood of spending the full 23 days is almost guaranteed. If there are multiple charges, that can increase to double that, or 46 days. No charges, no trial.

        Also, in Japan you do have the right to remain silent, but the authorities construe that as guilt.

        In Japan, trial lawyers refer to their system as “hostage justice”. Their conviction rate is 99.9%. As a result, most people confess to crimes they haven’t committed just to get out of year-long detentions for very minor crimes which are almost guaranteed if you are indicted– because there’s no bail system.

      3. At least for misdemeanors, they can only hold someone 72 hours.
        If you get arrested for smoking weed and can’t post bail, you’re still out after 3 days.
        Sucks, but not exactly indefinite detention

  5. >>whether people accused of hate crimes should be given more scrutiny

    rational basis for friendly crimes.

  6. A bit racial, but this is a choice to be able to prove who can survive. Who is healthy, he wins.

  7. The problem is that neither system can be moral if you only look at it from the numbers. Here’s how I look at it:

    Cash bail: if you’ve wrongfully arrested someone, you already wronged them. Even if the arrest was correct, you’re making things worse by detaining them for being poor.

    No cash bail: regardless of whether you’ve wrongfully arrested someone, letting them go results in some people being wronged who didn’t do anything wrong and have not been wronged prior.

    If the choice is between severity of injustice vs. number of people afflicted, at least try to understand the other side. I lean in favor of reducing the number of people afflicted. Keep cash bail. It causes problems for those already wronged by our police, but at least it doesn’t create more new victims and spread the misery around.

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