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If He Thinks It's Such a Good Idea, Why Won't Rand Paul Name the Whistleblower Himself?

Plus: Jeff Sessions and Michael Bloomberg won't go quietly, Facebook's forbidden emojis, a win for raw milk sellers, and more...

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Not illegal to out "whistleblower." Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) has been calling on his colleagues to put a public spotlight on the man who introduced the world to the Trump-Ukraine scandal and shaming the press for not printing the suspected whistleblower's name. This has earned Paul accolades from the MAGA crowd but has elicited mixed feelings, at best, from libertarians, who argue that doing so could have a chilling effect on future reporting of possible corruption.

Paul has defended himself by arguing that there's nothing illegal about outing the government employee who first raised concerns about President Donald Trump's July call with the Ukrainian president.

"The whistleblower statute protects the accuser from being fired but says nothing about skeptics revealing his name," said Paul in an emailed statement Wednesday. "There is absolutely no statute that prevents anyone, other than the inspector general[,] from releasing the accuser's name."

That's true, as Andrew C. McCarthy points out at National Review:

The law imposes this highly qualified confidentiality requirement only on the [inspector general of the intelligence community]. It does not bind other government officials, much less members of Congress, the media, and the public. The point of the law is to shield whistleblowers from reprisals (being fired, demoted, denied promotion, transferred to Anchorage, etc.), not from public identification.

What's more, the figure in this case may not fall under the statutory definition of a whistleblower, in which case he isn't owed any special legal protections at all.

"Under that statute, protected status is given to an official who reports on intelligence activities within the jurisdiction of the director of national intelligence," writes McCarthy. "The statute does not apply to the president's conducting of foreign policy, including his communications with foreign heads of state."

And yet… The question of whether people can legally name the whistleblower is separate from whether they should.

Paul could legally name the person right now. What's stopping him? ("Naturally, he wants someone else to take the heat while he carps from the well-appointed cheap seats," McCarthy suggests.)

It's also distinct from the question of Trump having a right to "confront his accuser." This supposed right has been at the core of Trump and his people's complaints about the current impeachment goings-on in the House of Representatives. It's also a complete mangling of constitutional law and blatant attempt to confuse the issue.

So, one more time for those with their MAGA hats on a little too tight: Yes, the Sixth Amendment provides certain confrontation and access rights to defendants in criminal trials. But Trump is not a defendant at a criminal trial, and have the impeachment proceedings have not yet reached any phase anywhere analogous to a criminal trial. Which means Trump has no constitutional right or reasonable expectation to publicly face his "accuser" right now.

It may be "reasonable to expect that Trump should be allowed to face the whistleblower if his impeachment proceeds to the Senate and the whistleblower's testimony is used as evidence," as Reason's Scott Shackford suggested yesterday. And "if the whistleblower won't come forward, Paul can use that as justification for declining to remove Trump from office."

But "the way Paul is talking about revealing the whistleblower now—during the investigation itself—is akin to the police revealing the names of witnesses to a suspect long before that suspect has been charged with any crime," Shackford continued. If Paul's efforts occurred "in an actual criminal investigation rather than an impeachment investigation, would look a lot like witness intimidation."

Earlier this week, Paul proposed legislation that would expand current whistleblower protections to government contractors. That's good. But Paul's bill also says this:

Congress reaffirms that, in the case of criminal prosecutions and impeachments arising from the disclosures of whistleblowers, the accused has the right to confront his or her accuser in such proceedings and that right is not superseded by the whistleblower protections.

Let's not confuse a lack of special treatment for Trump with the denial of a defendant's due process rights.


ELECTION 2020 

Nobody:

 

Absolutely nobody:

 

Michael Bloomberg and Jeff Sessions: We're baaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Sessions announced yesterday that he'll be running for his old Senate seat; Bloomberg is reportedly joining the sprawling Democratic presidential field.


FREE MINDS

Emoji obscenity and our scary internet future. "For many adult industry entertainers, artists, and activists, losing access to [large social media venues] has become increasingly common," writes Siouxsie Q at Rolling Stone. Attempts to appease government regulators mean ever-increasing rules around what can be said. From Q:

Now, Facebook has gone so far as to explicitly outline its supremely staunch position on the use of "suggestive emojis" to solicit sexual communication—which means the days of using cartoon eggplants and peaches in your thirst trap mirror selfies are most likely numbered. Instagram representative Stephanie Otway clarified in an email that the company is taking action only on emojis "used alongside an implicit or indirect ask for nude imagery, sex or sexual partners, or sex chat conversations."

Taken alone, things like this may not seem like such a big deal. But Q points out that "sex workers have lost the lions share of their advertising and screening options in the past year." Simply "remaining visible has been a challenge due to a massive chilling of online speech related to all forms of sex, sexuality, and sexual health, along with a culture of community policing, that has resulted in bodies and stories that are already at the margins being further excluded, harassed, and silenced."

For more on emoji crackdowns and social-media "community standards," see this piece from XBiz's Gustavo Turner.


FREE MARKETS

Court strikes down Kansas ban on raw milk advertising off the farm. The victory means raw milk peddlers in the state can start advertising anywhere others are allowed, rather than be confined to marketing their milk only on their own property.

Coraleen Bunner—a plaintiff in the lawsuit, along with her husband—said in a press release that it will "be nice to have the freedom to talk about what we do. We throw out excess milk on a regular basis because we can't talk about it."

With help from the Kansas Justice Institute (KJI), the Bunners challenged the state's rule regarding raw milk ads, arguing that it violated their constitutional right to free speech. "The government's speech-ban was offensive," KJI Litigation Director Samuel MacRoberts said in a statement. "This quick and decisive victory is a win for the speech rights of all Kansans. The Bunners have the absolute right to advertise raw milk."

The Kansas attorney general has agreed not to challenge the state court ruling declaring the raw milk advertising ban unconstitutional.


FOLLOWUPS

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin is still refusing to concede the race to Democrat Andy Beshear, who outpolled Bevin by just a few thousand votes (out of 1.4 million). So what's next? "The state's Constitution and laws provide for several measures to decide a close or disputed election, and experts say that in the end, the voters may not have the final say," explains The New York Times.

The FDA disagrees with Kellyanne Conway. The president's advisor said the U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not have jurisdiction over vape shops and e-liquids. The agency disagrees. Jacob Sullum explains here.


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  1. The whistleblower statute protects the accuser from being fired but says nothing about skeptics revealing his name…

    THE DEEP STATE CAN HIDE IN THE SHADOWS NO LONGER.

    1. ENB and others are being willfully obtuse. Once again, for those with their Orange Man Bad pins on, this has ZERO to do with protecting anyone. If the whistle blower needed protection, he would be DEAD or his life ruined right now, because everyone with the power to harm or ruin him knows exactly who he is.

      No, the phrase “Naming the whistle blower” is short hand for “Talking about the inconvenient fact that his background casts considerable doubt on his motives and story.” And ENB knows this, by the way. If the media named the guy, then the media would be expected to at least touch on his background. As long as he is considered a pseudo-anonymous person, they can pretend that such discussions aren’t relevant.

      ENB is hiding behind “protecting the whistle blower” because she really does not want to talk about how inconvenient this guy his. The entire media is invested in the narrative of a duty-bound worker, whose conscience was shocked so much that he risked filing a whistle blower report, not the fact that a partisan operative is stirring up shit.

      1. No, the phrase “Naming the whistle blower” is short hand for “Talking about the inconvenient fact that his background casts considerable doubt on his motives and story.”

        Not really. It’s shorthand for ‘Enough about the story. Let’s talk about his motives.’ or perhaps ‘Enough of trying to smear the R’s. Let’s try to smear the D’s.’

        1. The story being that he heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend that Trump was messing around.

        2. The problem is that he’s not a whistleblower.
          The Ukraine complaint was engineered by a group of people, supported by significant institutional power in the intelligence community, the Democratic Party and in the establishment press.

          ENB is being deliberately deceitful when she says “but has elicited mixed feelings, at best, from libertarians”.
          Actual libertarians paying attention know there are light years worth of difference between Edward Snowden’s actions and these clowns.

      2. Trump Atlanta visit

        Uh-oh, Trump is successfully convincing BLACK WOMEN voters in the South to support him!!!!

  2. Michael Bloomberg and Jeff Sessions: We’re baaaaaaaaaaaaack!

    Hey, they some crazy how got elected before.

    1. Instapundit said it best “Finally, someone is addressing the Democrats’ desperate shortage of old, white people who want to tell everyone how to live.”

      1. Sanders and Warren are running wildly successful campaigns on the premise that there shouldn’t be any billionaires. Clearly what the party wants is… a billionaire to say the exact same shit.

        1. Are they really that successful? They can’t even get a clear lead over a senile hair-sniffer who can’t even talk without his dentures falling out.

          1. Ole’ Red-Eye Joe still has some fight in ‘im.

  3. Instagram representative Stephanie Otway clarified in an email that the company is taking action only on emojis “used alongside an implicit or indirect ask for nude imagery, sex or sexual partners, or sex chat conversations.”

    Ixnay on the oontay ickday ixpay.

    1. Opportunity for 4chan to spread some new “translations”.

  4. Looks like a certain ex ukranian ambassador lied during her deposition when she claimed she wasnt working with DNC staff. Uncovered emails say she met with them willingly.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-obamas-ukraine-ambassador-allegedly-lied-under-oath-in-impeachment-inquiry-congressman-suggests

    Also in news… after the john solomon report involving state department foia showing state department name dropping Hunter Biden in talks regarding Burisma… senate is seeking all records or communication at State involving Hunter and the lobbyist firm using his name to help Burisma.

    1. Roger Stone had a swat team show up to his house and is now on trial for lying under oath. I am sure the same will happen to this broad right?

      1. Notice how the Reason chimps all applauded wildly when Stone was perp walked. Militarized police are bad when they’re arresting black crackheads on their 23rd murder rap. Militarized police are the firm hand of justice when they’re rousting a 90 year old white guy out of his bed at 3 o clock in the morning.

      2. The ‘libertarians’ here at Reason would be gravely concerned if she was treated like that.

        It could signal the end of the Republic.

      3. The police units in boats in the canal behind his house in case he tried to make a water escape really get me. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    2. Step out of your fantasy world, Trumpkin. This is just more evidence that Trump should be impeached. You call it “lying,” but we true patriots, saviors of the state, are beholden to a higher loyalty. Yovanovtich is a hero. Biden is a hero and clearly did nothing wrong, ever. Stop smoking conspiracy theories.

      -grb, Tony, De Oppresso Liber

      1. You forgot mike and for some reason square = circle is now fine with a corrupt process as long as it doesnt actually end in impeachment at the senate.

        1. Given the cadence in their writing and general inanity of their screeds, I get the sense that most of these posters are all the same person, but maybe that’s just me.

          1. I agree mike is probably baby jeffrey. They utilize the same argument style and then start pretending they didnt say what they blatantly said when called out.

            1. I don’t use socks here, Jesse. I never have.
              Maybe for once you will try to understand honestly the point of view of others instead of insulting and demeaning them.

              1. Do you find it odd then, that someone who talks just like you claimed he’s been around a long time but didn’t know who “that Jeff guy” was?

                1. I have only been commenting here for a couple of years. I’m not an old-timer like some around here.

              2. Tulsa is the self-appointed sock puppet police. Of course being obsessed with accusing people of being sock puppets is just a way to avoid any substance or real debate.

        2. ” for some reason square = circle is now fine with a corrupt process ”

          It’s a fookin mystery, I tell ya.

          1. Never said the process was fine. I believe my characterization was more along the lines of “not strictly illegal and clearly very bad, short-sighted politics that in no way will result in impeachment.”

            Hyperbolic characterizations of the inquiry as a secret police coup, while also pretending Trump is a private citizen with no powers of his own is also bad, short-sighted politics.

            1. Hyperbolic characterizations of the inquiry as a secret police coup

              But that’s not hyperbole! That’s just the stone-cold rational truth! It’s a coup! Sean Hannity told me so, and I trust Hannity more than I trust the lying New York Times! /sarc

        3. Some of us aren’t Team Red partisans who go off the deep end whenever someone says something mean about Dear Leader Trump.

          Some of us don’t buy into wacky conspiracy theories or claims of mass delusion to try to understand why people often come to differing conclusions when presented with the same set of facts.

          Some of us don’t spend all day in a Team Red media bubble and accept rightwing narratives as fact. Like, for example, the idea that an impeachment attempt constitutes a “coup” or “overturning an election”, or that there is a Deep State running everything and thwarting the will of God-Emperor Trump.

          1. Some of us don’t spend all day sticking up for lefty boos, either, yet here you are.

            1. I know, right? Lefties should be presumed guilty in all things! Righties on the other hand, their victimhood complex should be perpetually fed.

              1. I know, right? Righties should be presumed guilty in all things! Lefties on the other hand, their victimhood complex should be perpetually fed.

          2. Reason is a Team Red media bubble?

            1. I’m talking about people like Jesse who only cite right-wing sources.

          3. Funny thing is that I, who am not in a Team Red bubble and believes a lot (but not all) of what I read in the MSM still think The Atlantic is very biased against conservatives.

            1. Was typing that from my phone and didn’t say what I really meant to say: even I, lefty sock puppet that I supposedly am, just can’t read “The Atlantic”. They are so absolutely blatantly on Team Blue.

        4. Honest question Jesse:
          Do you think there is a legitimate reason for a reasonable, fair-minded person to be concerned with what Trump did with regards to Ukraine?

          1. I’ll answer: I think it AT MOST should be considered a distasteful act. Do I think we should be having Impeachment Hearings? Absolutely not.

            If Trump legitimately said something closer to what has been alleged, like “Hey, I don’t like this Biden guy, go dig up dirt on him or you won’t get money”, I think that may be sanction-able. I would still consider it less impeachable than Obstruction, which is what all the same talking heads insisted was impeachable when the Mueller report came out.

            But that is expressly not what happened. Trump asked that a specific investigation into a specific set of allegations be researched. That is NOT the same as digging up dirt. And, there is not yet any smoking gun evidence that Trump EVER declared a quid pro quo. The only “Witnesses” claiming such a thing are stating hearsay. Nobody has come forward to say “yeah, Trump told me to hold the money until they investigated Biden.” The closest they got was Sondland saying “I presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anti-corruption statement”- and this is after he had testified and came back later with the written statement. It is a presumption, and it isn’t about Barisma- but rather general anti corruption.

            Now let me flip this back at you. If you were president, and you saw this timeline from your predecessor, do you really think it would be wrong to investigate?
            T-1 year: Executive targeted for investigation hires the children of several prominent government officials.
            February: Ukrainian prosecutor steps up investigation, siezing several assets of the executive.
            Mid Feb: Children reach out to the number 2 State Department official (who happens to be Dad’s ol buddy). They also contact whitehouse and other leaders “for talks”
            1 Week Later: Dad holds money hostage unless they fire the prosecutor.

            Even if this prosecutor was corrupt, he was targeting the employer of Biden’s son- an employer who the State Department had previously alleged as being corrupt; whose bank had lost billions of dollars in US loan guarantees; Who US Aid canceled a co-sponsorhip on an event because they seemed to be a bad actor. Can you really say that it is wrong for trump to expect that to be investigated, even IF it might help him politically? If it was any other official who is not a presidential rival, would it be ok?

            1. If Trump legitimately said something closer to what has been alleged, like “Hey, I don’t like this Biden guy, go dig up dirt on him or you won’t get money”, I think that may be sanction-able.

              Is this close enough?

              “Ambassador Taylor recalls that I told Mr. Morrison in early September 2019 that the resumption of U.S. aid to Ukraine had become tied to a public statement to be issued by Ukraine agreeing to investigate Burisma.”

              https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/05/read-gordon-sondlands-revised-testimony-about-trump-pressuring-ukraine.html

            2. If you were president, and you saw this timeline from your predecessor, do you really think it would be wrong to investigate?

              It would not be wrong to investigate per se.

              It would be wrong to withhold Congressionally appropriated funds for the purpose of demanding an investigation.

              1. It would be wrong to withhold Congressionally appropriated funds for the purpose of demanding an investigation.

                But that’s not what got the Dems in a lather. It’s the accusation that the investigation was ordered to find corrupt activity for the purpose of deliberately harming Biden.

                But when the Obama administration does the same thing to deliberately harm Trump, it’s a-ok.

                1. You are probably correct that what got the Democrats into a lather is that Trump was (allegedly) targeting the Bidens.

                  However, what should concern an American citizen who would like more honest, less corrupt government? That the President may have used public funds allocated by Congress for an entirely different purpose to pressure a foreign government dig up dirt on his political opponent.

              2. Also, a person who seriously wanted to investigate Burisma would not pursue it the way Trump allegedly did it. They would realize it’s a complex matter that needs an investigator to head the effort. Any rational President would realize he, and his personal lawyer, are too busy to handle it themselves. A serious person would not just toss off a request for an investigation from the Ukraine in some hallway conversation and a phone call – they would have an investigator working on it full time.

          2. Do you think there is a legitimate reason for a reasonable, fair-minded person to be concerned with what Trump did with regards to Ukraine?

            Chem….You ask a fair question; I shall answer.

            The answer is yes, there is reason for a reasonable, fair-minded person to be concerned. Hence, Congress is investigating (we can argue the way they are going about it). Thusfar, there is bupkis. There just isn’t a malign motive or intent here.

            What I think you need to think about (concede?) is that a POTUS can pursue a policy that advances US interests while simultaneously conferring a political benefit. That is not by definition, wrong, unethical or illegal. In another day or time, that would have been called smart politics.

            There has been zero direct evidence that POTUS Trump explicitly conditioned military aid (which was in fact granted) on Ukraine conducting an investigation on former VP Biden. What we have is a lot of hearsay, and second-fourth hand speculation, but actual hard evidence? Nope.

            1. Why must it be conceded? If the same action (investigating the Bidens) benefits the country by fighting corruption and also benefits the President’s 2020 re-election campaign, then the investigation could have been set up so that the candidate (Trump) is not personally involved. And certainly not the candidate’s personal lawyer.

              To do otherwise is to mix governmental and personal political goals unnecessarily.

              1. Mike, the problem with this part of your answer …then the investigation could have been set up so that the candidate (Trump) is not personally involved is that this matter came about from conduct of foreign policy. The POTUS referred President Zelensky to his personal attorney, and the Attorney General. What you propose divorces the POTUS from the conduct of foreign policy (his job) and that is not right.

                Maybe I am not following you. How precisely does an investigation like that get set up without the involvement of the POTUS? Please clarify.

                Personally, I don’t think it is unethical to pursue a foreign policy that advances US interests (as in…Yo Ukraine, wtf did you do in our 2016 election?) and his own political interests (Creepy Joe is maybe not so squeaky clean, just look at his son) simultaneously. We have 230 years of POTUS’ doing exactly that. Quid pro quo is the currency of diplomacy. That is an objective fact. What on earth is a POTUS to do…persuade countries to do things for us based on a winning personality?

                1. Atlas posts a BRILLIANT parody, ridiculing the claim by Trump’s attorney, in open court, that Trump has every right to shoot somebody on
                  Fifth Avenue. Denying Trump that right would be an attempted coup, seeking to overturn the election of our
                  President
                  Supreme Ruler

                  Brilliantly parodies Trump’s wacko claim, that he had an ABSOLUTE RIGHT to use taxpayer dollars, to EXPLICITLY advance his own political agenda .. by bribing a corrupt foreign government to influence his own partisan interest

                  1) Parodies that Trump and his attorneys LIED that a quid pro quo existed …until overwhelmed by the growing mountain of evidence and testimony.
                  2) Then was forced to admit the quid pro quo .. but blamed it on Mulvaney — who is now SUING the President for doing so
                  3) Which is all kinda silly, Atlas parodies, because Trump had every right to do … what he DENIED doing, until being PROVEN a liar
                  4) Ridicules the crazy claims about Hunter Biden.
                  5) Ridicules TRUMPIAN WHATABOUTISM … (“Creepy Joe” is **MAYBE*** not so squeaky clean)
                  6) Ridicules Trump’s style of bullying and intimidation (” wtf did you do in our 2016 election?”).
                  7) But the ABSOLUTE funniest part is ...

                  What on earth is a POTUS to do…persuade countries to to do things for us interfere in our election based on a winning personality?

                  Monty Python level of brilliance!

                  1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano’s fan fiction reaches new lows of stupidity.

        5. OK, that’s a fair cop. I’m not really fine with corruption, but political manipulation is par for the course in Washington, D.C. so I can only get my blood pressure worked up so much over the House impeachment inquiry since it has no real consequences.

          Trump isn’t going to be removed from office, and this whole thing may end up boosting his popularity in the polls, so it should be comforting to Trump partisans that he’ll probably win re-election in the end.

          1. ^ Exactly this.

            1. *smirk*

          2. Mike….I worry for the long-term implication of what we are seeing play out here. Nothing good will come of this. The average American has a pretty good idea of where the line gets crossed between pissing off the opposition with a policy choice and actually doing something worthy of removal from office. That line is getting blurred and it really should not be.

            I don’t think impeachment was meant for removal from office for policy difference grounds, or based on personality.

        1. Don’t you have a soy convention to be attending right now, shitlib?

      2. I love your shitty strawman. Must feel good to get those punches out on something. Why didn’t anyone put up a fight yesterday when grb was schooling all of you?

        1. What’s the point of fighting back against fan fiction?

  5. Court strikes down Kansas ban on raw milk advertising off the farm.

    Another victory for John Stagliano.

    1. Drinks are on Rocco today!

  6. If He Thinks It’s Such a Good Idea, Why Won’t Rand Paul Name the Whistleblower Himself?

    Because until the Committee actually comes out and says who it is, it’s all just speculation (well-founded speculation, but speculation nonetheless).

    1. My guess is that Rand Paul has named the whistleblower, he’s leaked the name to CNN, the NYT and the WaPo, ABC, CBS, NBC – all the major news outlets. The information doesn’t meet their journalistic standards.

      Besides, Adam Schiff already told them the whistleblower’s name a month ago so they could plan their defenses and counterattacks. You think these people report “news”? That they just throw this information out there and let the chips fall where they may? No, they strategize ahead of time, they anticipate where the story is going and they plan two steps ahead, by the time they report the story they already know what the reaction is going to be and have their counter-narrative at the ready.

      1. My guess is that Rand Paul has named the whistleblower, he’s leaked the name to CNN, the NYT and the WaPo, ABC, CBS, NBC – all the major news outlets.

        Wouldn’t be surprising at all. No one wants to be the guy accused of doxxing the whistleblower. It’s a much better posture at the moment to let the guy remain anonymous and complain about it.

        1. That’s a fair assessment considering who the “whistleblower” works for. The CIA tends to be pretty punitive to anyone trying to undermine their efforts. What did Schumer say about “Six Ways From Sunday Of Getting Back At You”?

    2. Yet several commenters here claim they KNOW who it is. Even though they don’t work in Washington, D.C. and just read it somewhere.

  7. The state’s Constitution and laws provide for several measures to decide a close or disputed election, and experts say that in the end, the voters may not have the final say…

    They’ll ask Russia.

    1. I’m sure there are a few cartons full of uncounted ballots waiting in someone’s car trunk that will settle this.

    2. Kentucky has a weird process… the senate can actually overrule an official count in a recount. They dont actually have to do a recount, just vote for who won. Democrats actually did that in the late 1800s leading to riots and death.

      1. Wait, they had antifa in KY in the 1800’s?

        1. Democrats have always been violent statists.

      2. imagine how pissed off so many people would be if they did that this time around? Then again… if the other team isn’t bothering to play by the rules, why should you?

  8. The president’s advisor said the U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not have jurisdiction over vape shops and e-liquids. The agency disagrees.

    Regulators are the government workers who fight tooth and nail to expand their workload.

  9. “If He Thinks It’s Such a Good Idea, Why Won’t Rand Paul Name the Whistleblower Himself?”

    Why not act like a real journalist and name Ciaramella yourself? Especially with all of the information about his connections to Biden and other anti trump leaks.

    1. As an aside… this is especially true as Ciaramella was the lead for Ukraine in 2016 when the asking if Sokin to step down occurred. He was directly working on the conditions to Ukraine for the 1 billion. He was involved in those conditions. This fact can be read as a conflict as he becomes a material witness into any investigation into Biden. So any ukrainian investigation into the 2016 firing would necessarily involve Ciaramella. His a reporter is not interested or curious about this fact is just weird.

      1. He is also listed in the Mueller report as leaking to the NYT. The rumor is that his name is all over the Waiting for Guffman IG Report that has been going to be released any day now for a year. Ciaramella seems to be the Leonard Zelig of the Deep State. It would be easier to list the crimes he isn’t associated with than the ones he is.

        1. That would make sense why the democrats are so cock sure the name of the whistleblower doesnt matter. They seem to protest too much.

      2. Those are all great reasons to subpoena Ciaramella, not as a whistleblower, but as a witness in an investigation into Burisma. It’s a shame that Trump didn’t take the reasoned action of setting up a legitimate investigation into Burisma, structured so that he wouldn’t be open to charges of personal involvement or benefit. He could have started the process of establishing an investigation about four years ago, when the trail was still hot.

    2. The Democrats have their panties all in a twist over Trump’s “Russian collusion,” meanwhile it is clear as day that major elements in the Ukrainian government, along with their native born collaborators in the State Department, did everything in their power to sink Trump in 2016 and, evidently, are still at it.

      1. I don’t think they did a lot to sink trump during the election, that is just a side show.

        Ukraine is a warning to all of us what happens when the government starts throwing billions of dollars around like you or I would throw change to a busker on the street.

        Consider this: $10 Billion to Ukraine is chump change to the government. It is a rounding error in our budget. But it is more money than 99.99% of the people, and 90% of the companies in this world make. So this Barisma executive spends a couple hundred thousand dollars- maybe a million dollars hiring the children of important policy makers and funding some “Foreign Policy Think Tanks” in Washington. And now for want of a couple billion dollars, Ukraine is super important to the US. Disengaging from Ukraine is a horrible idea- all because that billion dollars was enough to get leverage on every important policy maker in the United States.

        1. Well, there’s always this – and it looks like many of the same actors are at it again.

          https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/441892-ukrainian-embassy-confirms-dnc-contractor-solicited-trump-dirt-in-2016

          But you are right. Ukraine is a bottleneck of corruption, disinformation, and perpetually shifting allegiances, all operating haphazardly, an uncharted whirlwind, at the behest of unscrupulous billionaires with international clout. Up is down and down is up. In other words, it is a perfect place for American politicians, of all stripes, to do business while simultaneously accusing their opponents to engaging in criminal activity by doing the exact same thing.

          This is exactly why everyone is so nervous about Trump poking around. Everyone already has their fingers in the pie and here comes Trump, with a fucking ice cream scoop and a shitty grin on his face, threatening not only to take the biggest bite but to throw the pie on the floor. The scandal will go nowhere, at the end of the day, because everyone running the impeachment circus is implicated in one way or another. The last thing anybody in Congress wants is a real investigation and, to avoid it, they will throw Biden under the bus, sooner or later, and then pretend like the whole thing never happened.

    3. In addition to being a bunch of left-liberal Obama mommas, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of these DC-based fake libertarian assholes at Readon know Eric Ciaramella personally.

    4. C.J. Ciaramella should name the whistleblower. He already knows how to spell it.

  10. President Donald Trump “was never completely hinged,” a former White House official told The Atlantic‘s Peter Nicholas.

    Hence his election victory.

    1. Clinton’s supporters must not think much of her if they keep reminding everyone she lost to an insane racist clown. Usually you talk up your vanquisher. “No shame in being beaten by the best!”

      1. “I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!”

        “You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?”

        “No!… *damn*”

      2. Not only did they not let it drop, they spent most of his Trump’s first term keeping it front and center in the news that the DNC’s servers were hacked uncovering embarrassing internal Democratic politics. The stupidity of that astounds me.

    2. Election victory is somehow validation of one’s hingedness?

  11. The FDA disagrees with Kellyanne Conway. The president’s advisor said the U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not have jurisdiction over vape shops and e-liquids. The agency disagrees.

    Kellyanne Conway is absolutely correct for once. The FDA itself is unconstitutional and has no jurisdiction over anything, much less vape shops.

  12. “Bloomberg is reportedly joining the sprawling Democratic presidential field.”

    Although he’s unlikely to break into my top tier of candidates, I am a fan of Bloomberg. In fact he’s one of the people I mention when my progressive friends complain about billionaires influencing our political system. I remind them of his massive financial contributions to common sense gun safety efforts.

    #LibertariansForBloomberg
    #BillionairesKnowBest

  13. Homeland Security expects to have obtained biometric data—i.e., face, fingerprint, and iris scans—on a minimum 259 million people by 2022…

    Why are we giving them our body parts???

    1. It’ll be on the Christmas cards they send out this year.

  14. The released testimony transcripts revealed the whistleblower’s name like two or three days ago.

    *shrugs*

    1. It’s been out longer than that, but for some reason, Reason refuses to acknowledge or print the name

      1. If his identity really has been revealed, why would Reason need to do anything to add to that?

  15. The Project on Government Oversight is suing for the release of records related to Immigration and Customs Enforcement data collection, facial recognition programs, and other surveillance.

    PGO WANTS OUR BIODATA NOW, TOO???

  16. http://victorygirlsblog.com/media-protect-trump-whistleblower-same-media-destroy-abc-epstein-whistleblower/

    ENB follows the media herd in caring deeply about the “whistle blower” at the CIA but not saying a word about CBS firing the person who blew the whistle on ABC covering up for Epstein.

    1. The only thing Reason loves more than Mexicans is kiddie fuckers. As luck would have it there is a tremendous amount of overlap.

      1. Oh, yeah. I remember when Reason had “We Love Kiddie Fuckers Week”.

    2. CBS firing somebody for what they did at ABC is, apparently, NOT collusion also.

    3. It really does surprise me Reason hasn’t covered this story more. It has everything from sex work to sex crimes to corruption to immigrants, plenty of libertarian content

      1. Project veritas isnt real media! They dont even have corporate offices in D.C.!

    4. Covering up for serial sexual predators

      Once again it’s principals over principles with ENB. It’s all about wielding political power, everything else they say is just horseshit.

    5. …not saying a word about CBS firing the person who blew the whistle on ABC covering up for Epstein.

      You can pick between two reasons:
      1. That’s different
      2. Too local

    6. Isn’t the default libertarian position something along the lines of ‘yadda, yadda, yadda… private company?’ Liberatrianism, as a whole, doesn’t always have a good answer for counter-balancing powerful and vindictive people/organizations who can distort markets.

      Although, interference of a prior employer with the employment contract of an individual with a separate entity would be a good angle to look at.

      1. Isn’t the default libertarian position something along the lines of ‘yadda, yadda, yadda… private company?’

        Yadda, Yadda, Yadda … no.

        Libertarianism, as a whole, doesn’t always have a good answer for counter-balancing powerful and vindictive people/organizations who can distort markets.

        Yadda, Yadda, Yadda … related to your error above.

        Although, interference of a prior employer with the employment contract of an individual with a separate entity would be a good angle to look at.

        How can the old employer interfere with the new one … without the consent of the individual ot the new employer … which is not interference, by definition.

        Unless the old employer is government … and passes a law forcing the interference.

        Example: Military Draft
        *Draftees have full reemployment rights, in most cases.
        *That means the private employer must rehire the employee, if they seek re-employment in a timely fashion
        * Employee enjoys same “seniority” rights, as if they had never left (tends to mean union jobs, in larger employers.
        * The reemployment mandate applies even to employers whose entire workforce was drafted … even if the workforce is one person.
        *The intention is to offset damage caused by force … by forcing more damage.
        *Libertarians, by opposing the draft since our founding, have defended the equal rights of … both employers and employees.

        Among the confusion held by progressives (not all their positions are wrong)
        Yes, corporations are not people …. but their owners are.
        Likewise, my car is not a person … but I am.
        My car has no rights …. but I do.

        Any questions?

  17. On The View, Whoopi Goldberg pushed back against Sen. Kamala Harris’ proposal to extend the school day until 6 p.m.

    end public schooling. Controversy over.

    1. Solves the public school shooting problem, too.

    2. Out of all the view stories o would have thought they’d talk about Reid and goldberg blatantly lying about Reids black face and Sunny claiming she was a lawyer to prove the whistleblower act makes naming Ciaramella illegal.

    3. end public schooling. Controversy over.

      (lol) Now tell us how to convince a majority of voters to agree. (lol)

      ANY problem can be solved EASILY … . by anyone reciting slogans atop an Ivory Tower … IF mandated by a dictatorship, (controlled by their own gang, of course. Even Ayn Rand, THE most extreme on limiting government, ridiculed their CONTEMPT for Consent of the Governed, and Will of the People.
      **For those who may be new here … several dozen posters, with “woodchipper” handles ALL celebrate feeding live humans into woodchippers,
      for the BLASPHEMY of disagreeing with their Holy Word … grinding the
      disrespetful’s flesh and bones into mush … EXTOLLING a grisly scene in the movie “Fargo.”
      It’s how they feel manly! 🙂

        There are no woodchippers online, of course, so they created CYBER-bullying. Cyber-bullies do their stomping around, beating their chests and BELLOWING, online.
      Do I exaggerate? See for yourself, then decide for yourself..

      Do a page search for “I, Woodchipper” to see the online version of the same “mentality” … unprovoked assaults for …. DISAGREEING

      ***Hitler had his Brownshirts, civilians publicly beating and killing anti-nazis in public venues (bars, restaurants, and the like). Trump leads today’s Brownshirts … online … programming their robotic minds … on Twitter


      ***Do a google search for Hitler’s “rallies.” The language is German … but the similarities are virtually self-evident.


      ; Feel free to disagree with me. Libertarians “will defend, to the death, your right to do so.” OUR ONLY RESTRICTION … NO AGGRESSION … WHICH IS WHY THE NEW BROWNSHIRTS HATE US THE MOST … FOR CALLING THEM OUT SINCE THE LATE 1960S. (At the time, it was easy to see thEY restored the McCarthyism of the 1950s.)

      ; *** Here’s how WE do it.
      I defend YOUR rights, in return for you defending mine. What a deal!
      Reality: NO rights have ANY value … unless defended by others.
      So it’s also about … survival.

      Here are >some other names to page search. Sevo … Red Rocks White Privilege … Last of the Shitlords … Woodchipper (without the “I,” ) … “Ugh” says the prog … R Mac …(and the phrase “Fuck off”) Their names are posted in self-defense

      Why so many? It’s like any other market. Reason.com is the ONLY major political web site that REFUSES to monitor their comments. So this “market” is the ONLY “safe zone” for these thugs … and WHY their number keeps growing here. Reason SAYS they’re defending free speech … a LAME EXCUSE FOR VIOLATING THE CORE LIBERTARIAN MORAL VALUE, NAP (Non-Aggression-Principle)
       

      Reason.com literally NURTURES AND DEFENDS the EXTEME aggression you see here … NOT FOR FREE SPEECH. The ONLY persons banned and purged are … LIBERTARIANS, DEFENDING LIBERTARIAN VALUES. FIVE SUCH BANS/PURGES … ALL OF
      THEM of MYSELF …

       
      SO WHY will THIS not be purged? THIS IS JUST THE LATEST POST … I NOW TAKE SCREENSHOTS OF THE ENTIRE PAGE … DELETING ME NOW WOULD BE LIKE GANG RAPING KITTENS, KNOWING THAT I’M TAPING IT ALL. (I’ve also taped many prior censorship/purging of libertarian values)
       

      WHY?
       
      TO DEFEND LIBERTY FROM ONE OF IT’S GREATEST THREATS.
      A Cato survey, conducted by a top independent pollster, found that 59% of Americans would SELF-define with libertarian values, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. (now well over60% on marriage equality alone) …. but the next survey question …. THE LIBERTARIAN LABEL IS REJECTED BY 91% OF LIBERTARIANS … AT A TIME WHEN VOTERS ARE OPEN TO EVEN RADICAL CHANGE.
       

      ON UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE ; … I AM FORCED TO CONCLUDE THAT REASON.COM — I’VE READ THE MAGAZINE SINCE IT BEGAN, BUT … S AMONG THE GREATEST THREATS TO LIBERTARIANISM … THEIR COMMENTS section.
       

      IT’S NOT JUST ME. Many prominent libertarians have expressed similar concerns for years … and been ignored.
      (The “free speech” bullshit)

      (As an Internet professional since 1993 … the third monitor of the first online libertarian forum … I know that 80-90% of those who read these comments NEVER post their own. THIS voiceless majority are the libertarians. This is for them. The first step in taking back America is … TAKING BACK OUR MOVEMENT.)

  18. the days of using cartoon eggplants and peaches in your thirst trap mirror selfies are most likely numbered.

    “Oh, very well. We’ll use turnips and figs.”

  19. The Institute for Justice is petitioning the U.S. Supreme Court “to resolve whether the Constitution allows private developers to grant themselves the right to use eminent domain to seize someone else’s private property for their own gain.

    Kelo 2.0, here we come

    1. Grant themselves eminent domain? WTF? Isn’t granting yourself eminent domain just a lawyerly way of saying you are stealing something?

      1. Yes. And 5 liberal justices thought that was just okay.

  20. “Virginia Circuit Judge Stephen Mahan sentenced an 18-year-old woman to 10 days in jail because he didn’t like the way she closed a courtroom door.”

    who told him to put his dick in there?

    1. She was probably mocking his gavel pounding.

    2. That particular power of judges is overdue for being clipped.

      They already have way too much power over people’s lives as it stands, but allowing them to have absolute power to toss people in jail absent a fair trial before an objective adjudicator is ridiculous and unamerican.

      What is worse, most of the times when this sort of thing bubbles into the public consciousness it is because someone has an attitude and gets rebuked by a judge in a petty way – and people cheer loudly. We had one in West Palm Beach a year or two back where a young woman said goodbye in a way that offended the judge (I think she said “adios” to a Latina judge), so the judge altered the judgement and threw the book at her, and then proceeded to bait her for several moments, racking up additional time for contempt.

      That should not be permissible. We should not allow our jurists to have that level of discretion, where they can turn a $500 fine into a $5,000 fine and a month in jail because they didn’t like the way someone looked at them.

      1. I completely agree. Just wait til you hear what they do to men in child custody hearings

        1. Oh, great! Now you are going to come off like one of those ‘men’s rights’ guys who hide their misogyny behind things like unjust family court rulings……

          That being said, I think it has gotten a lot better. Back when I was in college in the early 80’s I wrote a paper on the issue and at that time women got full custody and child support in 98% of contested cases.

          I know that in Florida they have a formula that awards 50/50 time and splits the money based on a formula as well. I’m sure it still screws men disproportionately, but it certainly is better than 98% against.

          (that being said, Florida rules are favorable enough that the douchebag ex husband of a close family friend is contemplating giving up his kids entirely because that formula says he’ll only owe another $500 per month, which is way cheaper than actually having his kids. I’ll never understand that one. He doesn’t even show up to get them when it is his turn half the time. Can you imagine? And his son is young – like second grade young. And his oldest is a middle school girl. Way to go, Dad!)

  21. If the Mexican government made it so a civilian could own a firearm, I truly believe all this stuff would calm down a lot quicker than anyone would realize…

    They’re not led by their best and brightest.

    1. Quickest way to end the cartel takeover in mexico is legalize guns for citizens. But the government wont do that because the cartel pays so well.

    2. The guy is deluded. The cartels are fully militarized and while they probably don’t currently have tanks/helicopters, they can get them in days. Many of them were trained in insurgency ops at Fort Benning. They are very much our Frankenstein creation

      Anyone who thinks an individual with a fucking plinkplink AR-15 is gonna do dick against the cartels is beyond stupid

  22. With all due respect, Elizabeth, I can’t use *that* news.

  23. If He Thinks It’s Such a Good Idea, Why Won’t Rand Paul Name the Whistleblower Himself?

    Lol, no need, your retarded inquisitors already did it accidentally on one of the transcripts. Of course the name was already known weeks prior to that. It’s Eric Ciaramella, in case you’re curious.

    1. Fuckin’ LOL at the Dems doxing their own “star” witness. What a bunch of American heroes.

      1. Did you notice how that was the top story on all of the nightly news programs?

        Yeah, me neither.

        It is almost as if nobody actually cared about that actual fact, but simply wanted a bludgeon to wield.

  24. On The View, Whoopi Goldberg pushed back against Sen. Kamala Harris’ proposal to extend the school day until 6 p.m.

    Is that the only thing that happened on The View recently?

    1. I think Tits McGee and her boyfriend were on recently.

      1. Apparently, Trump’s kid went on yesterday and turned the show into a remake of the opening scene of “Thank You For Smoking.” That fat dago sow Joy Behar ended up having to scold the audience after Jr. won them to his side.

        1. The ‘grow a pair’ movement seems to be seeping outside of the Oval office.

          I saw a clip circulating yesterday where a never-Trump State Department employee was directly confronted by another guest on a talking head show and directly accused of covering for Biden.

          That’s something that we just haven’t seen since at least 2008.

          1. Best comment on this I have seen is that Fredo suddenly has turned into Sunny. My God did he make those people look like fools.

            1. Turning into Michael would be even better.

              1. There’s hope for Eric…

    2. My guess is Whoopi is heavily invested in the government-subsidized daycare industry.

      1. She’s probably afraid her fellow Hollywood kiddie-diddlers will have a smaller pool of victims to choose from.

  25. I think keeping a kid in school until 6:00 is like institutionalizing them…

    Hence Harris’s support for it.

  26. The Democratic Party’s steady embrace of the Koch / Reason open borders agenda continues!

    Bernie Sanders’ immigration plan would put moratorium on deportations, end ICE raids

    This is especially important since a few years ago Sanders was spewing nonsense like “Open borders is a right-wing plot to depress wages.” Now even the most economically left-wing Democratic candidate is moving toward Charles Koch’s position of unlimited, unrestricted immigration.

    #VoteDemocratForOpenBorders
    #ImmigrationAboveAll

  27. Juul continues to cave to panic.

    Their customer base is the woke.

  28. Are we witnessing the death of rude media?

    Bedtime for Gonzo.

    1. You’re on a roll today, Fist!

  29. https://twitter.com/nathanattrill/status/1192670115017310208

    I’m so glad Reason pushed for free trade with the communist regime harvesting organs from political prisoners. If I want to buy one from them I can, right? Free markets!

    1. Seriously though they violate the NAP like crazy and should be called out for it. Looking forward to CIA stooge articles about crimes that didn’t happen!

      1. Seriously though they violate the NAP like crazy

        How would you know?
        Give examples, not whining
        How can you be so easily brainwashed by the Authoritarian Right?

    2. If you don’t want to trade with them, then dont.

      It’s not the government’s job to decide for you if some third party is moral enough for you to give them your trade.

      Also that’s not even the reason for the ‘trade wars’. It has NOTHING to do with their immoral government.

      1. Wait… you’re stupid enough to believe the Chinese government isnt heavily involved in their corporate workings? Let me laugh at you some more.

        1. That’s not what I said but if you want to use Tik Tok go ahead. The principle is really quite simple to understand.

          1. So if I am hearing this correctly, it’s okay for me to buy harvested organs of political prisoners because free market?

            1. The idea is, the state shouldn’t substitute its moral judgment for that of the individual.

            2. you are hearing incorrectly. It is NOT ok for you to buy organs of political prisoners harvested by the state. Similarly, it’s not ok for YOUR state to interfere with you trying to buy some soy sauce from someone who happens to live in that other shitty government.

              Simple eh?

    3. This report was released like 2 weeks ago… and for some reason most of the media is oddly silent. Cleansing of a people to harvest organs would normally be a big story. Then again we had Duranty at the NYT in the 30s downplaying other disgusting acts… so precedent is there.

      1. I have really been amazed at the collapse of the 4th estate. I came of age in the era of Watergate, where being an objective investigative reporter was the highest calling. They made movies about it and everything.

        Now they all see themselves as super-important to the functioning of the government. Without their propaganda, the nation would collapse!

        We’ve gotten to a bizarre place where any attempt to “get the story” in a way that doesn’t fit the narrative is actively suppressed. We have ABC with the smoking gun on their suppression of the Lolita Express story – which is astonishing… you have sex, sexual exploitation, rich and powerful, a president, a prince, statutory rape…. even a private island. That is as juicy as a story gets.

        But we also have the mundane… the press covering for Jussie Smollette, not just when his story was highly implausible, but even after it completely fell apart. And even more mundane – the dogpile against Sandman and his MAGA hat. They kept pushing that story for a long, long time after extensive video evidence completely debunked it.

        If you’ll go to those lengths about political-adjacent stories that are actually of no consequence… what will you do for a story that is actually important?

  30. “All Marines now have the right to bear umbrellas”

    Oh, FFS! What about the right to kitty-cat umbrellas?

  31. Apparently, only female Marines were allowed to use umbrellas up until now.

    Embarrassing.

  32. Protests to Shave $275 Million From Hong Kong Disneyland Profit

    Communism’s tyranny is okay as long as it keeps profits flowing.
    -Globalists

  33. Virginia Circuit Judge Stephen Mahan sentenced an 18-year-old woman to 10 days in jail because he didn’t like the way she closed a courtroom door.

    And she made a citizen’s arrest for the way he left the seat up.

  34. Homeland Security expects to have obtained biometric data—i.e., face, fingerprint, and iris scans—on a minimum 259 million people by 2022

    “Homeland Security”, one of the most Orwellian institutions ever dreamed of. I will vote for any candidate who vocally supports getting rid of that institution.

    1. I can’t imagine how that name made it through, and I was around for the whole thing!

      They might as well go ahead and create that ministry of Truth they have been talking about lately too.

      1. Ministry for the Security of the Socialist Fatherland…No really—just vote for me and consider it done

  35. “Against European Union–style ‘hate speech’ laws.”

    For an alternate perspective on this issue, I recommend Reason contributor Noah Berlatsky’s piece Is the First Amendment too broad? The case for regulating hate speech in America.

    #BringBackBerlatsky
    #LibertariansForRethinking1A

  36. The Equal Rights Amendment is back.

    We’ve run out of new performative victimhood that we’re rerunning old ones.

  37. New book by anonymous op-ed author details difficulties staff had in briefing Trump

    Here is what Lefties don’t understand. The more they say Trump won’t listen “to reason” and he is a threat to America, the more Trump becomes popular.

    The reason is more and more Americans know the MSM are Propagandists and full of shit. Most of what they print is suspect.

    1. It is funny how they spin that. He is difficult to brief and won’t listen to reason is just another way of saying he doesn’t buy bullshit and expects the people briefing him to know what they are talking about and have answers.

      Basically, all of these assholes are pissed Trump isn’t listening to them and doing what they tell him like a “normal President” does. You see Presidents are not supposed to actually change anything or hold anyone accountable for doing their job. That is just crazy talk and a threat to the Republic right there.

      1. That’s willful mis-characterization. Numerous stories have made it clear that Trump has attention span issues, doesn’t read, etc. No rational observer can follow his Twitter feed and conclude he is a hinged person.

        1. Poor mike laursen. No links to actual video that we can see for ourselves.

          List some names of the people making these claims so we can see what they are about. Dollars to doughnuts, the people complaining are weak bureaucratic shitbirds who don’t have anything good.

          1. Let’s start with someone completely outside the world of bureaucratic shitbirds, who has spent a lot of time hanging out with Donald Trump — Penn Jillette:

            https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/penn-jillette-donald-trump/

            “Really weird stuff that you’ve never seen before. You have never seen someone who’s never laughed sincerely, and never made a joke. He will laugh in a bully way—‘Haha! You look kind of fat, Joe!’ He’ll do that. But never even a joke.”

            “He’s crazy and he’s venal. He’s empty. He’s obsessed with what anybody says about him at any time.”

          2. Penn Jillette, the LINO who stumped for Hillary.

    2. It’s funny how you say more popular when every poll confirms the exact opposite.

      But hur dur dur, go on about polls now…

      1. You deserve the Sean Kealiher treatment.

      2. I wish you would cite one of those polls that has President Hillary’s popularity too.

  38. Against European Union–style “hate speech” laws.

    Forget it, Jacques. It’s Eurotrash Town.

    1. LOL

      You just posted another link showing billionaires are losing money. That proves the economy sucks. Don’t try to spin it with irrelevant or misleading “Dow” and “S&P” and “unemployment rate” nonsense.

    2. And Paul Krugman.

    3. A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters with negative GDP. While growth has slowed lately, we are a long ways away from two consecutive quarters of negative GDP. Even if you hate Trump, it would have been smart to stay invested the past three years.

        1. A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters with negative GDP

          A persistent and long-standing myth, WAY too simplistic, and false.

          For well over 50 years, official dates for our business cycles are established and announced by the National Bureau of Economic Research, under contract by the Labor Department, for well over 50 years.

          “The Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) is generally seen as the authority for dating US recessions. The NBER, a private economic research organization, defines an economic recession as: “a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales”.

          That’s the short version. The details and explanations are quite lengthy and perhaps understandable only to those well-versed in economics.

          https://web.archive.org/web/20070929144118/http://www.nber.org/cycles/recessions.html

  39. South Carolina appellate court: it’s not defamation to say someone acted like a “racist douchebag.”

    Everyone is both.

  40. Michael Bloomberg is the antidote to Donald Trump

    Haha. Donald Trump is gonna crush Mikey “Hihn” Bloomberg.

    1. I’d like to take this opportunity to point out that reading and watching his news service is in no way an endorsement of his views.

      Bloomberg is a bit like Kamala Harris.

      He’s from a big progressive state, and he loves using the law and law enforcement to inflict his will on average people for their own good.

      “The Sugary Drinks Portion Cap Rule,[1][2] also known as the Soda Ban,[2] was a proposed limit on soft drink size in New York City intended to prohibit the sale of many sweetened drinks more than 16 fluid ounces (0.47 liters) in volume to have taken effect on March 12, 2013.[3] . . . . The regulation was strongly supported by Mayor Michael Bloomberg”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugary_Drinks_Portion_Cap_Rule

      If Bloomberg thinks the police should get involved in stopping people from drinking large soft drinks, you can guess what he thinks of ending the drug war, legalizing prostitution, or, for goodness’ sake, gun control. Because he isn’t as socialist as Sanders and Warren doesn’t mean he isn’t awful.

      I suspect Bloomberg is in a delusional state–because of Trump’s success. Under normal circumstances, there’s no reason to think the American people want to be like New York City any more than they want chlamydia. But Donald Trump is about as New York City as you can get, right? If Trump can win the presidency despite being a billionaire casino magnate from New York City with a foreign trophy wife, then why can’t Bloomberg?

      The problem with that thinking is that the media mostly made Trump seem like a man of the people by smearing him with the same epithet they used for the average Americans they routinely denounced as deplorables. Once middle American started hearing Trump smeared with the terms they were routinely called, they started looking at Trump and thinking, “Gabba Gabba one of us!”

      That isn’t about to happen for Bloomberg. That can’t happen for Bloomberg if the mainstream media won’t denounce as him as everything racist, misogynist, xenophobic, and unholy. Bloomberg will never be Trump, and it eats him up inside. The day Trump won the presidency, I bet Bloomberg’s dog hid under the couch and wouldn’t come out for weeks when Bloomberg was in the room. He wants to be Trump so bad it makes him spit.

      1. I think the accolades he received for telling Trump not to let the door hit him in the ass on the way out of the state may have gone to his head.

        My neighbor’s kid worked for Bloomberg’s presidential campaign for a couple of years, before switching to Biden. (he can really pick ’em!) He was trying to tell me how Bloomberg was going to be the president and I just shut the whole thing down with “No chance, not with that soda ban. He is completely unelectable with that on his resume.”

        The room was aghast – a bunch of hardcore democrats that included mom and dad after all – but there was no more discussion of “he’s going to win” after that. Even the delusionally partisan know that much.

      2. Bloomberg kept NYC in check; he kept the cops in the street, and the homeless off them. Compared to today, NYC under Bloomberg was a pleasant place to live. Now, under De Blasio, it’s a fucking shithole; and I say that as a New Yorker.

        Yes, Bloomberg was “progressive” and he shoved bike lanes and soda bans in our face, but – for the most part – he was sane. If he runs however, he’ll flail. The entire “stop and frisk” crackdown under his watch will be thrown in his face and he’ll never escape the label of “racist.” Never.

  41. Watch until the end to see what happens under socialism

    The graph doesn’t take into account kulaks and takers.

  42. •President Donald Trump “was never completely hinged,” a former White House official told The Atlantic’s Peter Nicholas. “The trip from where he was to unhinged, as he is now—that was not a long trip.”

    Sick burn, Atlantic!

    Meanwhile, with Trump distracting the media with his antics, Cocaine Mitch flipped the 3rd Circuit, is about to flip the 2nd, and is pushing more conservative judges into the 9th.

  43. Trump’s demands of Ukraine came down to three words: ‘Investigations, Biden and Clinton,’ official’s testimony states

    Now we see why the lunacy from the Lefties has reached this level. The hearsay from this federal employee had Trump wanting Hillary investigated too.

    Hillary is NOT running in 2020, so that stupid claim that the federal government cannot investigate political candidates does not apply to that bitch.

    1. Stupid Trumpkin …. Hillary is definitely thinking about running …. and she opposes Trump politically …. so, basically, that makes her a political opponent, forever, and, therefore, immune from investigation, forever …. and also it is obvious that she did nothing wrong, so stop crying about the e-mails, and – for that matter – neither did Joe Biden, or his eminently qualified son, Hunter. And, Guiliani is a bald asshole, planting seeds of doubt and rumors …. like Iago …. evil rumors, to divide the country …. and undermine the rule of law …. and, you know, we have a higher loyalty …. so, just shut the fuck up!

    2. For someone who supposedly loves the constitution you seem quite ok with “your side” trampling all over it daily.

      1. The 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back.

      2. What’s being trampled here?

      3. “For someone who supposedly loves the constitution you seem quite ok with “your side” trampling all over it daily.”

        You lead an active fantasy life, but that is not surprising for a lefty ignoramus.

    3. What is your point? It’s well documented that Trump has wanted revenge on Hillary ever since they ran against each other.

      1. Or Trump just wants to clean the Capitol area of criminals that use the government as their own piggy bank.

        Trump was elected to enforce the Rule of Law on immigration, crimes by corrupt politicians, and crimes by corrupt bureaucrats.

        1. If he was serious about investigating the Bidens or Hillary Clinton, he could have done a better job of establishing a competent investigation. As it stands, neither has been investigated.

        2. Nobody believes that your serious.

          Orange man bad as far youre concerned.

          It will be fu to watch you switch to another sock after Trump reelection and the DOJ indictments of major Democrats.

          1. Fucking reason this shitty new format.

            Autoplay videos work better than the comment boxes, so people can prevent misspellings.

    4. Biden is a spoiler candidate to get Hillary in the door. Specifically, he picks for VP someone completely unsuited to the presidency, and 2 months into the general steps aside for medical reasons*. The DNC sorrowfully decides that the VP candidate is unsupportable but says hey, we’ve got this totally not decrepit and permanently pickled old hag sitting right here.

      *Which are almost certainly real and he knew they were present prior to running.

      1. WHEN ALT-RIGHT WORSHIPS ALEX JONES!!

  44. “AP Interview: Ex-speaker Bercow brands Brexit a huge mistake”
    […]
    “He says Britain’s 2016 referendum to leave the bloc “isn’t the final word on the subject” and would be democratic to hold a new public vote on EU membership.'”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ap-interview-ex-speaker-bercow-brands-brexit-a-huge-mistake/ar-BBWpPEZ

    And I’ll bet he’d see it as ‘democratic’ to keep voting on it until he got his way.
    Scumbags politicos are certainly not a US monopoly.

    1. “Great” Britain is actually a time portal to show us where we will be in one generation.
      Pay attention.

    2. The elites will allow you to vote until you finally get it right.

  45. Billionaires’ wealth falls for first time since 2015

    I was assured this was a zero-sum game and the rich always gets richer.

    1. The primary objective of Koch / Reason libertarianism is to make billionaires even richer. You just proved the Drumpf economy is a complete failure by that most important metric. So thanks for making my point for me!

      #VoteDemocratToHelpBillionaires

  46. More bad economic news.

    Charles Koch current net worth: $62.0 billion

    This represents an increase of only $2.62 billion this year. Drumpf’s tariffs and immigration restrictions are preventing the rapid increase in billionaire wealth that Koch / Reason libertarianism demands.

    #DrumpfRecession

    1. The guy is well diversified – and energy hasn’t done particularly well this year after the war with Iran failed to materialize.

  47. “From toast of town to toxic: Facebook CEO on outs with Dems”
    […]
    “Now, with the 2020 elections approaching, Democrats especially are homing in on the conduct of the social media giant and its refusal to fact-check political ads and remove false ones.”
    Read more here: https://www.modbee.com/news/business/article236978671.html#storylink=cpy

    Sumbitch won’t be part of the D campaign like he was for Obo! Get back on the res, Zuck.

    1. I can write an app that will be 100% accurate in fact checking political ads.
      if ad = political
      then result = lies
      endif

      1. Great pseudo code!

        No go ahead and implement it for real…. in obfuscated LISP.

      2. Amateur. Watch a professional at work:

        if facebook_ad then:
        result = lies

    2. Circa 2008 when Facebook was Obama’s secret weapon to get the youth vote, the progs were in love with Zuck. Hell Obama had a special council of tech advisors in the whitehouse directly picked from Facebook and Google to help him win the next election do government stuff.

      Now, Russia buys a few thousand goofy ads that accomplished nothing but coincides with a big prog disastrous defeat of Trump winning the election and Facebook is on the outs!

    3. there was some bullshit pro Newsom add on my facebook the other day, the first political add i’ve seen yet and I complained that it was fake news and facebook said they have eliminated it from FB, I was surprised. I don’t mine them blocking it from me since I requested that but others might be interested in it fake or not.

  48. When Rand Paul voted against cutting $772 billion from Medicaid–a socialist welfare program (because of what the bill didn’t do)–staff around here were falling all over themselves to oppose the same Senate bill.

    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849

    I thought that was completely irrational. At the time, I suspected they were so enamored of Rand Paul that even when he votes against cutting $772 billion from entitlement programs, they’ll still support him!

    Back then, I thought they were selling their principles short in support of their hero–Rand Paul derangement syndrome. Little did I know that their Trump Derangement Syndrome is such that they’ll throw Rand Paul under the bus just as quick as anything if he gets in the way of their Trump hatred.

    Sheesh.

    Captain Obvious says, “It’s not enough for a Republican to out the “whistleblower”. If the people he leaked to in the media don’t confirm his identity, there will still be a question of whether they’re cross examining and investigating the right person”.

    Until Woodward and Bernstein confirmed the identity of Deep Throat, no one’s accusations really mattered. If Woodward and Bernstein had refused to confirm Deep Throat’s identity, even after Deep Throat’s death, there would still be questions in the public mind about whether so and so was the real Deep Throat, whether Deep Throat was more than one person, etc., etc.

    If you want to substantiate testimony that is being used by the Speaker of the House in a way that is meant to overturn the results of a presidential election (in an election year, no less), then the witness needs to be cross examined or his allegations need to be substantiated in some other way. And the primary factor isn’t the law or even the Constitution (not directly). The primary concern is that if they remove a president on the basis of insufficiently substantiated testimony, the government of the United States may lose its legitimacy with a tremendous number of people–over the course of years. And if you think what comes after people losing faith in democracy (in its proper place) is Libertopia, think again.

    If populists can’t get their voices heard by way of democracy (because democracy is a fraud), they don’t give up on getting their voices heard. They give up on classically liberal principles. You know who else rose to power in the aftermath of a democratic government that had completely lost its legitimacy?!

    1. Well, beyond that….

      The only actual substance was “he made a call and asked for dirt on his opponent”. The administration released the transcript in fairly short order. So there is nothing left to actually investigate there.

      And the other “bombshell” was this convoluted story about moving the transcript to another server where he couldn’t access (and potentially edit) it. Which was proof positive of a cover-up.

      Except… they released the transcript. You know…. the one they were covering up.

      Soooooo……..

      The only real value he has as a witness is “why did this come forth”? Is it an honest whistle being blown, or is this another partisan attack?

      Now, it is highly improbable that we will ever get an honest answer on that one. But the fact that he chose to do the formal “whistleblower” process instead of just leaking it to a friendly member of the press is pretty dispositive.

    2. Pinochet? (OK I cribbed from Rufus below)

    3. George Washington during the Articles of Confederation?

  49. Wait until the ghost of Allende comes back to haunt Chile.

    We’re #1! Get it!

    /socialists begin raping and pillaging.

    1. In ENB’s link at the Atlantic, check the sources that are being used–and how frequently.

      1) “White House aides worried that he was spending too much time cocooned in the building. So they went to a senior official and pitched an intervention of sorts”

      2) “You’ve got to get him out of the White House!” they said to their colleague, a person close to the White House told me.”

      3) “A person close to Trump told me that the president feels isolated and has complained that he has no one in whom he can confide.”

      4) “Though this White House has always been dysfunctional, earlier generations of West Wing aides seemed to grasp not only what Trump wanted, but what he may have needed at a human level—even if he didn’t know it himself.”

      5) “Hope Hicks, his former communications director who worked out of a closet-size office near the Oval Office, was secure enough in her position that she’d offer unvarnished advice Trump didn’t necessarily want to hear, according to former White House officials”

      6) “Trump didn’t necessarily want to hear, according to former White House officials.

      7) “Former aides tried to give Trump’s day some structure.”

      8) “That was his day,” the person close to the White House told me.

      9) “A former White House official who is still in touch with his colleagues in the building described Trump’s routine these days as follows:”

      10) “They sometimes tucked in printouts of cable-news chyrons in hopes of raising his spirits, the former White House official told me.”

      11) “Now, though, Trump is less willing to unburden himself to aides he doesn’t know or trust as well, wary as he is of leaks, multiple former White House officials have told me.”

      12) “A lot of times when he’s venting—a tweetstorm—it’s often because he feels, No one is helping me on this, so I have to pound my chest and do it,” said the former White House official.

      13) ““He was never completely hinged,” another former White House official told me.”

      14) “It’s all politics, all the time,” the first former Trump White House official told me.”

      15) “He just has no life,” the person close to Trump recently told me.”

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/11/donald-trump-all-alone-white-house/601537/

      In all of my life, I have never seen a longer list of bullshit claims attributed to a longer list of unnamed sources–and he finishes it off by knocking Trump for wanting to know the identity of the person who’s made the accusations against him.

      It reads like satire!

      1. That wasn’t supposed to be a response to anybody, but now that I’ve had to say that, I should add that a former member of the Sanders campaign team has told me that Bernie Sanders is a lonely wanker of a wackadoodle, and when he gets into a tizzy, which happens all the time, the only way they can get him to calm down is to let him play with his cat.

        1. Well, Ken, you don’t have to worry. Soon those anonymous sources won’t be talking to reporters.

          They’ll be testifying before the impeachment committee. Apparently one of them has already testified to learning that the president presented a quid pro quo to the Ukrainians by reading about it in the New York Times.

          1. She never talked to the President, didn’t listen in on the call, and made her conclusion about his state of mind during the call based on what she read in the New York Times.

            This is what the news media calls “devastating testimony ” for the President. It is like we all died and were sent to a Fellini movie or something.

            1. But it must be true…. they lead with this story on the Nightly News and on Today the next morning!

              And because of the ABC “whistleblower” and their response, we know for a fact that they have high journalistic standards and insist on multiple sources of verification of everything they publish.

        2. Riddle me this Ken, given the media’s track record for lying and getting stories wrong, what reason is there to think that any of that is true or that any of those sources even exist?

          1. None!

            That piece works best as satire.

            If you stayed up all night trying to think of a better way to make fun of journalists right now, you could hardly come up with anything better than that piece.

            It’s full of hearsay bullshit backed with an uncountable number of anonymous sources–and then it excoriates Trump for not trusting anonymous whistelblowers?!

            LOL

            Christopher Hitchens used to write for The Atlantic. He’d have thought that piece was fucking hilarious.

      2. looks like an SNL board.

      3. Last summer, the gripe was the time he spent on the links, right? Well it looks like he’s wrong pretty much whatever he does; it’s almost like he’s guilty of being Trump.

      4. 11) “Now, though, Trump is less willing to unburden himself to aides he doesn’t know or trust as well, wary as he is of leaks, multiple former White House officials have told me.”

        So… someone is leaking information about Trump’s mental state, claiming it’s bad because the President is unwilling to trust people due to the fear of leaks? And this is somehow supposed to be taken as crazy behavior instead of justifiable precaution?

  50. Reviewing the results of the Virginia elections. The Democrats added another MeToo to their ranks of elected officials. Joe Morrissey was elected to the Senate. He was caught having sex with a 17 year old employee of his law office back in 2013.

    1. This is as it always has been.

      In the early 90’s, sexual harassment was the bludgeon of choice. You simply could not survive if workplace harassment was alleged. One prominent Republican senator was run out of town on a rail because of the “harassment” of dictating his memoirs to be transcribed by his secretary. Said memoirs included some of his sexual conquests – which is entirely unacceptable. So he had to go.

      Fast forward a couple of years… we have a young junior employee confronted by a high official in a hotel room that she was summoned to by the same high official. He pulls out his penis and requests that she service him. The same high official later stands accused of attempted rape – in his government office, no less! And later still, he admits to a fairly exploitative affair with an unpaid intern. And those same activists who had spent the prior two decades railing against workplace sexual harassment and demanded that a senator be removed for the offense of including his sexual exploits in his memoir….. completely backed that second high official who was accused of rape, sexual assault and exploiting young office staff. The only explanation – partisan ties.

  51. This “Whistleblower” scenario is quite unique, and I’m impressed at the lengths people are going to in order to ignore the uniqueness.

    This is not a scenario where some low level employee is trying to tell the world about something a big corporation is doing that is harming the environment, or killing babies with unsafe products, or anything like that.

    What is unique here is that we have had allegations that there exists a conspiracy of holdovers from the Obama administration to derail the Trump administration and force him from office. We have a lot of evidence that supports this allegation as well, starting well before he was even sworn in, and publicly attested to by Obama administration officials in a New York Times article shortly after the inauguration.

    It is in this climate that the “whistleblower” comes forward. Their first attempt to spy on, plant and manufacture evidence against and impeach Trump had just failed, after more than 2 and a half years of effort. Now comes an allegation from strange quarters – the CIA?? And it very quickly seems that there is more here than meets the eye.

    The document he submitted is released after a short delay, and it makes it clear that this isn’t just some analyst who feels that it is his duty to come forward and expose corruption. The memo is clearly written by a lawyer, and clearly written in a way that is primarily designed to be of use to Trump’s political enemies.

    Then we learn that he has been working with the Democrat’s primary partisan hack on impeachment for quite some time before this memo is sent up the chain.

    All of that presents an environment where the identity of and actions of the whistleblower become very relevant. It is entirely possible that he is simply a very concerned citizen who just happened to think that a politician asking another politician to investigate political corruption was a horrific offense. But it is also entirely plausible that this guy has been a partisan mole for quite some time and his actions are entirely motivated by his partisan leanings.

    Now comes the team-based-politics question that reveals which set of blinders you are wearing: Which is worse? A president of the United States asking a foreign leader who took office on an anti-corruption platform to find out what happened with a prior administration that may have been pressured into acting against the interests of the United States by a former US official? Or a president of the United States using the organs of the government to spy on a political rival, setting in motion a set of actions designed to prevent the orderly transfer of power and subvert the presidential election?

    1. That is a great summation Cyto.

    2. He’s a fuckin’ CIA guy!

      The devil can quote the bible and tell the truth, too, but when you’re talking about someone from an organization that actively topples governments employing subterfuge, etc . . .

      The truth is the truth no matter where it comes from, but when you tell me you’re from the CIA and you’re here to tell me the truth, I’m not about to give you the benefit of the doubt.

      1. There is also the angle of the CIA and the government of Ukraine.

        The former prosecutor guy says that the “he is corrupt” stuff was always from the CIA – that it was the CIA talking when all of those “European governments” were saying he was corrupt too.

        Now, I doubt we’ll ever know anything of the truth of that…. but it is a bit interesting that the CIA went so apoplectic over people digging around into Ukraine, election interference and Biden spiking a prosecutor.

    3. Rand Paul is full of shit. PROF
      https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8003989

      And you’re merely brainwashed

      A president of the United States asking a foreign leader who took office on an anti-corruption platform to find out what happened with a prior administration

      LIE
      That’s NOT what he did … and Obama was NOT born in Kenya.

      1. Ok then!

        I guess we know which set of partisan blinders you put on every morning….

        1. Cyto denies ABSOLUTE PROOF …

          1) The text of the 6th Amendment, link to proof.
          2) A VIDEO OF RAND LYING ABOUT THE SIXTH, link to proof

          I guess we know which set of partisan blinders you put on every morning…

          *sneer*
          LIBERTARIANS ARE NOT PARTISAN!

          *** Click link for PROOF that Cyto is a psycho … along with Sevo and Red Rocks (if anyone needs proof) (smirk)
          https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8003989

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano continues linking to his own stupidity.(chortle)

            1. Dumbfuck Trumptard DEMANDS that I re-post the same explanations, EVERY time I correct a Trumptard … especially when the PROOF also proves him full of shit … as I prove here.

              He “THINKS” that his psycho lies will cause people to NOT click the link.
              Red Rocks can be PROVEN a SEVERE PSYCHO in roughly five seconds.

              Click the link https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8003989

              Do you see PROOF of what the 6th Amendment says?
              Do you see PROOF that Rand is a FUCKING LIAR on the 6th Amendment .. A VIDEO OF HIM STATING THE LIE.

              Next (smirk)

                1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano still claims that the Sixth Amendment allows for anonymous accusations.

                  That’s why he earns a (chortle), because his stupidity is so blatant.

      2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano links to his own stupidity again.

        1. “Dumbfuck Hihnsano links to his own stupidity again.”

          The guy claims to have been employed in IT at some point, but he can’t seem to figger out how to post a link.

          1. Have you seen his webpage? If he worked in IT, it was in the early 90’s when everyone had the After Dark (flying toasters) screen saver on their 286.

            1. HEY FULL-OF-SHIT UNICORN! 
              THE WEB SITE SAYS IT’S AN ARCHIVE OF MY PUBLISHED POLITICAL WRITING … IN THE MID-90s, HOW COrRUPT ARE YOU? .. I ONLY LINK TO THE SITE WHEN CRAZY CONSERVATARDS SAY I’M A LEFTY.

              HOW PSYCHO IS UNICORN ABATTOIR … AND HOW BIG A LIAR … AND HOW MUCH A COWARD?

              See PROOF in 15 seconds … at this link http://libertyissues.com/archive.htm

              MOAR NEXT, loser

      3. Oh, and to the substance… that is exactly, precisely what he did.

        You can add the interpretation of “in order to dig up dirt on a political opponent” to it – and it is not entirely unreasonable to do so. But the “why” of it isn’t an available fact, while the what is.

        The same goes for the Obama administration’s actions, of course. The only evidence that we have of their motives is the times when they have publicly stated that their motives were to take down the Trump administration and initiate an impeachment inquiry. Other than that, you simply have their actions to go on.

        1. ANOTHER COWARDLY DIVERSION BY TRUMPTARD

          1) The text of the 6th Amendment, link to proof.
          2) A VIDEO OF RAND LYING ABOUT THE SIXTH, link to proof

          https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8003989

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano thinks this means that the accused has no right to know who’s bringing accusations against them.

            1. “FOR ALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS”

              There is NO right to confront everyone interviewed for an INVESTIGATION … ONLY THOSE WHO TESTIFY AT A RESULTING TRIAL.

              (yawn)

              1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano tries to qualify now that he’s been shown to be an idiot again.

        2. MOAR CYTO BULLSHIT.

          You can add the interpretation of “in order to dig up dirt on a political opponent” to it – and it is not entirely unreasonable to do so.

          SMELL THE BULLSHIT???

          NOT WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS,

          Are you a liar or stupid? Well …

          The same goes for the Obama administration’s actions, of course. The only evidence that we have of their motives is the times when they have publicly stated that their motives were to take down the Trump administration and initiate an impeachment inquiry

          PROVE IT.
          WHY WOULD THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TRY TO “IMPEACH” A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR???

          BWAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAA

          Say hi to Alex Jones (snort)

    4. Which is worse:

      What the president actually did, or what this supposed conspiracy is conspiring to do next???

      Oh No!

      1. What did the President actually do?

        1. Oh right. He had a “perfect” phone call. How could I have been mistaken.

          What do you think the president did?

          1. You seem to have a problem answering the question.
            Put up, or stfu.

            1. As if I care about your opinion of me, Sevo.
              Now go back to yelling at kids on your lawn.

              1. “As if I care about your opinion of me, Sevo.”

                It’s not my opinion of you, you pathetic piece shit. It’s YOUR inability to answer a question.
                Now, put up or STFU. And go back to playing with your tiddly winks.

                1. Actually, he completely misread that query.

                  The question wasn’t what Trump did vs what some conspiracy might someday do.

                  The question was what Trump did (and the plausible negative interpretation of those motives and actions) vs what Obama and Clinton and their followers actually did. We know for dead certain that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. We know as a flat fact that the Obama administration sent spies to infiltrate the Trump campaign and transition team. We know with absolute certainty that the Obama administration attempted to frame Trump campaign officials for process crimes in order to coerce them into providing damaging information that could be used against Trump.

                  We also know with metaphysical certitude that the Obama administration, the Clinton campaign and the DNC all worked with and paid people to obtain “dirt” on Trump from the Russian government.

                  What is new in this “conspiracy” is that Ukraine was also possibly involved, and that Biden had some dealings in the matter, and that his son benefited financially from Dad’s relationship with Ukraine and political power in the US. Which is where Trumps’ phone call comes in. And the question becomes… can a US president ask what happened, or not?

                  Apparently we are all OK with a US president using the FBI and CIA to spy on political opponents. And we are apparently all just fine with an outgoing administration abusing its authority to undermine the incoming administration and to place individuals around the government explicitly with instructions to take illegal actions that would precipitate an impeachment inquiry after the inauguration. These are all well-documented facts that we treat as “ho-hum” boring nothing-burgers.

                  But when Ukraine comes a’calling because they are upset about past US involvement in Ukraine and they claim that they have been trying to tell the US government about Ukrainian interference (on behalf of Clinton) in the 2016 election…. that isn’t interesting. In fact, that is nutty, despite the fact that it directly tracks with other information that we have.

                  Hence, the impasse. Because there is no way that a sitting US president should have ever taken that call from Ukraine saying they had problems with US officials conveying information about the 2016 election. Not once he found out that Joe Biden might have played a role. That immediately places that entire topic off-limits.

          2. What did the President actually do?

            1. Legally – Extortion.
              Will you LIE about the Hobbs Act … a seventh time today?

              And, today, committing fraud by running a fundraiser for our vets … THEN STEALING MOST OF THE MONEY … NOW FORCED TO PAY A $2 MILLION SETTLEMENT.

              THAT’S NOW TWICE THAT TRUMP IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT FORCED TO PAY A SETTLEMENT … FOR FRAUD … WHILE IN OFFICE.

              THE FIRST WAS A STAGGERING $25 MILLION … FOR MASSIVE FRAUD BY TRUMP UNIVERSITY.

              Anything else? (smirk)

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege
              What did the President actually do?

              Are you SERIOUS???
              TRUMP defrauded … OUR VETERANS with a fundraiser … then THE SLIME pocketed the money

              https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-donald-trump-ordered-pay-2m-collection-nonprofits/story?id=66827235

              President Donald Trump ordered to pay $2M to collection of nonprofits as part of civil lawsuit

              President Donald Trump has been ordered by a New York State judge to pay $2 million to a group of nonprofit organizations as part of a settlement in >a civil lawsuit stemming from persistent violations of state charities laws.

              The payment is the final resolution to a case brought by the New York attorney general’s office after the Trump Foundation held a fundraiser for military veterans during the 2016 campaign.

              The televised fundraiser took in nearly $3 million in donations that were dispersed on the eve of the Iowa caucuses as directed by then-campaign chief Corey Lewandowski.

              The two million must be paid by President Trump himself for breaching his fiduciary duty to properly oversee the foundation that bears his name.

              “I direct Mr. Trump to pay the $2,000,000, which would have gone to the Foundation if it were still in existence, on a pro rata basis to the Approved Recipients,” Judge Saliann Scarpulla wrote.

              The lawsuit filed by the state’s attorney general accused President Trump — along with his children, Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka — of conflating charity with politics, repeatedly using charitable donations for personal, political and business gains, including legal settlements, campaign contributions and even to purchase a portrait of Trump to hang at one of his hotelsThis was a civil vredic for repeated criminal actions. Gues what’s next.

              It began with one of Trump’s crazy lies … about his greatness … which EXPLODED in his opus. It was his ASSHOLE insult of a Gold Star family, whose son had died defending our country … plus similar insults to other military leader. So he barked that he raised $3 million for our vets. Fact-checker and news journalists IMMEDIATELY began investigating the claim … WHICH IS THEIR FUCKING JOB — and reported it as just another LIE. Apparently, they also gave the evidence to the NY AG … as they should on criminal matters … so now we add FRAUD and LAW-BREAKING, by him, Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka … to all his proven lies.

              Remember, Trump was the first President EVER forced to pay a $25 million settlement … for FRAUD … while in office.

              What kind of SCUM screws veterans charities and nonprofits … to enrich himself …. and his campaign … by FRAUD?

              Look for MANY more crimes and/or lawsuits, as Trump is forced to provide ever mote financial records.

              1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano posts fan fiction again.

  52. Someone in the IEA thread pointed out Bolivia has risen 49% under socialist rule.

    I don’t know much about Bolivia. Can someone explain? I’m sure there’s a reason.

    1. They are still at the bottom in that info-graphic. It is easy to improve 50% when you are very near zero. Heck, it is pretty easy to improve 300% when you are that low.

      They could have increased by 500% and still not made it to the top of that list.

    2. They were near the bottom, most SA countries are some degree of socialist, and rising coffee prices drastically helps Bolivia, since it’s one of the main export crops.

      1. So … Unicorn Abattoir … says that socialism helped reverse one of the worse economies in South America … but LIES about the reason!!

        This is his seventh PROVEN lie on this page … coffee pirces are DOWN (snort)
        https://www.macrotrends.net/2535/coffee-prices-historical-chart-data

        1) The lowest since 2002

        2) Since he tool office in 2006
        From $1.0845 to $0.9847

        3) The online chart shows a SHARP an steady drop since 2010

        Economics is a bit too complex for memorized slogans.
        For example
        Bush1’s violation of “No new taxes” … ready? ….
        ENDED the shortest recession in 100 years (a tie at 2 quarters).
        Followed by the longest recovery EVER .. Clinton inherited a 22-month recovery, which ran through his entire 96 months, and ended in Bush2’s 2nd month.

        That’s 119 months .. longest ever .. after a tax INCREASE.

        Will we see an 8th screwup?

  53. “The question of whether people can legally name the whistleblower is separate from whether they should.”

    Wrong. The question is whether it’s newsworthy and in the public interest to name him. Which it is.

    And if it is, then why is the media not making him?

    1. The same people who doxed a guy for making an internet meme about Trump and CNN and tried to ruin his life now pretend to be so concerned about protecting people in the public eye’s privacy.

      Just when you think they can’t sink any lower, they do.

    2. LOCK HIM UP … THIS IS A CRIME BY TRUMP.
      TRUMP defrauded … OUR VETERANS with a fundraiser … then THE SLIME pocketed the money

      https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-donald-trump-ordered-pay-2m-collection-nonprofits/story?id=66827235

      President Donald Trump ordered to pay $2M to collection of nonprofits as part of civil lawsuit

      President Donald Trump has been ordered by a New York State judge to pay $2 million to a group of nonprofit organizations as part of a settlement in >a civil lawsuit stemming from persistent violations of state charities laws.

      The payment is the final resolution to a case brought by the New York attorney general’s office after the Trump Foundation held a fundraiser for military veterans during the 2016 campaign.

      The televised fundraiser took in nearly $3 million in donations that were dispersed on the eve of the Iowa caucuses as directed by then-campaign chief Corey Lewandowski.

      The two million must be paid by President Trump himself for breaching his fiduciary duty to properly oversee the foundation that bears his name.

      “I direct Mr. Trump to pay the $2,000,000, which would have gone to the Foundation if it were still in existence, on a pro rata basis to the Approved Recipients,” Judge Saliann Scarpulla wrote.

      The lawsuit filed by the state’s attorney general accused President Trump — along with his children, Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka — of conflating charity with politics, repeatedly using charitable donations for personal, political and business gains, including legal settlements, campaign contributions and even to purchase a portrait of Trump to hang at one of his hotelsThis was a civil vedict for “repeated CRIMINAL actions. Guess what’s next? :-).

      Remember, Trump was the first President EVER forced to pay a $25 million settlement … for FRAUD … while in office.

      What kind of SCUM screws veterans charities and nonprofits … to enrich himself, Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka …. and his campaign … by FRAUD?

      Look for MANY more crimes and/or lawsuits, as Trump is forced to provide ever mote financial records.

      1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano having another bitchfit.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege
          Dumbfuck Hihnsano having another bitchfit.

          COWARDLY DIVERSION
          AND SO FUCKING INFANTILE

          THIS IS HOW CYBER-BULLIES FUNCTION.
          1) PUNISH ME HERE
          2) FAR AWAY FROM ME HUMILIATING HIS PATHETIC ASS … HIS LATEST ASSAULT HERE … Now PROVING him a PUSSY WITH AN ATTITUDE! (SNEER)

          https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005254

          READY … FIRE … AIM …. AS RAGING “GENIUS” RED ROCKS —FUCKUP OF THE CENTURY — WHEN HE ADMITS TRUMP AND RAND PAUL LIE ABOUT 6A

          WARNING: May cause peeing in your shorts!! ???? ???? ????

          HE’S BEEN CYBER-STALKING ME FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS … SINCE I FIRST HUMILIATED HIM LIKE THIS. HOW MANY YEARS WILL THIS CAUSE ME? (sneer)

          There is a name for people so totally lacking in shame … no conscience … totally incapable of guilt. No, not just Trump, the clinical definition of PSYCHOPATH, look it up.

          Cont’d

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano continues his diaper-filling bitchfit, two years after I owned his ass like Kunta Kinte. (snort)

      2. Hey Hihn! They’re letting you use the Internets in the nursing home again, huh? What’d you do, promise to tone down the ass-rape threats?

        In your latest boldface screed you forgot to mention that the AG wanted a big chunk of money from Trump as a punitive penalty, and that said penalty request was shot down by the judge. Why no punitive money if Trump was such a bad actor?

        Incidentally, fuck you, you senile scum, for forcing me to defend that putz.

        1. In your latest boldface screed you forgot to mention that the AG wanted a big chunk of money from Trump as a punitive penalty, and that said penalty request was shot down by the judge. Why no punitive money if Trump was such a bad actor?

          Because you’re a typical .. gullible .., brainwashed … PSYCHO … asshole!!!

          The judge DID reject the AG’s $2.8 million request, but .. (sneer).

          Why no punitive money if Trump was such a bad actor?

          TRUMP WAS FORCED TO PAY $2 MILLION … WHICH WAS IN THE TITLE OF THE LINK I POSTED … IN BOLD … YOU FUCKING PSYCHO.

          SO YOU’RE JUST ANOTHER BRAINWASHED .. GULLIBLE … IGNORANT … TRUMPIAN .. SNOTTY PUNK

          PLUS … UP YOUR PATHETIC ASS WITH THIS …
          (my emphasis, to enhance my RIDICULE of you)

          The settlement also included an admission from Trump that he personally misused foundation funds and called for mandatory training requirements for the now-defunct foundation’s directors — Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump

          *sneer*

          **** MY FAVORITE CRAZY MISFUCK OF THE DAY ***

          **** “Incidentally, fuck you, you senile scum,”

          So …. a “senile” old fart, aged 77 …KICKED YOUR SORRY ASS TO THE CURB !

          AND YOU ARE WORSE THAN SENILE!!!
          Like ALL Trumptards (snort)

          Posted in DEFENSE of an unprovoked assault … by one of THE dumbest … whiny pussies on the page … and posted GLEEFULLY.

        2. Freddy the Jerk
          Hey Hihn! They’re letting you use the Internets in the nursing home again, huh? What’d you do, promise to tone down the ass-rape threats?DESPITE YOUR SEXUAL FANTASIES… “JAMMING IT UP YOUR ASS” MEANS PROVING YOU A PSYCHO … AS I DO HERE.

          AND AS I DID THERE. https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8004926

          AND NEARLY A DOZEN TIMES ON THIS PAGE?
          IS THAT WHY YOU’RE NOW CYBER-STALKING ME? REVENGE?

          1. reformat

            Freddy the Jerk
            Hey Hihn! They’re letting you use the Internets in the nursing home again, huh? What’d you do, promise to tone down the ass-rape threats?

            DESPITE YOUR SEXUAL FANTASIES… “JAMMING IT UP YOUR ASS” MEANS PROVING YOU A PSYCHO … AS I DO HERE.

            AND AS I DID THERE. https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8004926

            AND NEARLY A DOZEN TIMES ON THIS PAGE?
            IS THAT WHY YOU’RE NOW CYBER-STALKING ME? REVENGE?

  54. Huh. I had no idea Uruguay was so prosperous. Good for them.

  55. ENB is too kind.  Rand Paul, by echoing Trump’s bullhsit of a constitutional right here, LIES about the Constitution, to demand a literal police state. Just like his father. Rand’s base, like Ron’s, is the alt-right, for which Ron is the spiritual godfather.

    This comment will likely unleash the usual raging hatred, unprovoked assaults, fuck-yous and other brutishness, as Authoritarian Right THUGS snarl and impose the same censorship of other views they’ve pursued for centuries, burning books and wiches, and censoring all forms of communication.

    So ,… *smirk* … I’ll include the entire 6th Amendment … which PROVES both Trump and Paul are fucking liars.

    Libertarians KNOW that Trump’s vindictive and vengeful natured always INTENDS to attack and destroy any and all threats to his reign. It excites his base .. the Authoritarian Right.

    Libertarians should not be surprised that Rand is an eager co-conspirator. … like his dad, exploiting the CRAZY claim that he’s a strict constitutionalist. … an enabler of nazis and racists.

    ENB says Trump’s ONLY constitutional claim requires a criminal prosecution. Since his low IQ, mind-controlled cult SCREECHES, like Trump, “Fake NEWS … Deep State Conspiracy … Witch Hunt” .. and the like … WATCH AND SEE. if they now also deny the actual Constitution. That’s WHY I include a link. 🙂

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

    Also note, it’s the WITNESS that “confronts” … NOT TRUMP … MOAR SHAMELESS BULLLSHIT by Rand Paul,

    All I need now is PROOF that Rand Paul is FULL OF SHIT .. NOT fake news … an actual video, with his exact words ….. ON FOX, of course!! (smirk)

    1. Click
      for the video!

      “Well the Sixth Amendment is pretty clear,” Paul told Fox Business host Stuart Varney on Tuesday. “It is part of the Constitution, part of
      the Bill of Rights.”“It says you get to confront your accusers,”
      he added. “So I think it is very clear the only constitutional mandate here.

      -I’m just another libertarian … defending assaults on liberty for decades ….from abuse by authoritarians
      BOTH left and right …

      Because, as we’ve said for over 50 year …. Left – Right = Zero
      Over 60% of Americans now agree. Teams Red and Blue are already less than 40%; their time is expiring.

      (Typically, I’d now be dismissed and ridiculed, for using boldface and all caps. That’s like PROCLAIMING, “I lost on the issue again,” to the brutish
      mindset)

      1. the bold draws me to your posts.

        1. That’s the point … as SOME of us learned in high school.

          1. When you were in high school they were still teaching Olde English.

            1. PROOF: Freddy the Jerk is .. WORSE THAN A JERK …
              THE
              ABSOLUTE
              BIGGEST
              DUMBFUCK
              ON
              THE
              PAGE

              SEE him CRUSHED here: (smork)

              https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8004926

    2. Cool! Now we can do the whole “it depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is” thing that we do with the second amendment on the sixth!

      Well done!

      Maybe we should be doing the same thing with “Congress shall make no law” and the first amendment too? That would be a quick end-run around these free-speech advocates who want to be able to spout ugly opinions in public.

      1. Cool! Now we can do the whole “it depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is” thing

        CLINTON LIED ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION??? 🙂

        that we do with the second amendment on the sixth!

        I JUST PROVED YOU FULL OF SHIT ON THE SIXTH 🙂

        BE MORE SPECIFIC ON YOUR (POSSIBLY) GREATER IGNORANCE OF THE SECOND … WHICH IS ABOUT WHICH WEAPONS ARE PROTECTED BY 2a …. NOT ABOUT THE RIGHT ITSELF ,…FOR ONLY 80 YEARS NOW! … AND I’LL USE SCALIA’S HELLER TO RIDICULE WHATEVER YOU SAY!

        first, what’s YOUR lame excuse (of many) … that the NRA was POWERLESS against the 1994 “Assault Weapons Ban” (what it’s called) … for ten long years … until it expired … because such bans have been constitutional, now for 80 years.
        ANOTHER CONSPIRACY? How were YOU suckered?

        Most guntards are as eagerly brainwashed and manipulated on 2A … as progtards are to be manipulated and brainwashed on Medicare
        For All. Both will swallow even the craziest bullshit, when their brainwashing
        has been proven.

        Maybe we should be doing the same thing with “Congress shall make no law” and the first amendment too?

        ANOTHER DEEP STATE CONSPIRACY!.

        Maybe you should go back to high school – – if you ever left .. and RElearn about conflicting rights.
        ALL unalienable rights are ABSOLUTE.
        How would YOU resolve a conflict between two rights, both absolute.?

        (Question EXPLODES the brains in so many of you people)

        1. You still peddling that tired “we are only allowed weapons in common use at the time of the signing of the BoR” statist bullshit? And treating an out-of-context quote from Scalia as some kind of inerrant word-from-God?

          You’re no libertarian.

          1. Yeah… Obviously my point is invalid. Because we have been presented with links that show that we’ve taken “shall not be infringed” and somehow squished that into “unless it is in ways that a court deems important, necessary or irrelevant”. That’s exactly, precisely the point. “Shall not be infringed” is pretty simple language. It doesn’t really allow much debate – and yet we have decided that there is a silent “unless we deem it important” right after the word “infringed”.

            And you are obviously on to something with the inalienable rights thing. I mean, congress making no law with respect to freedom of speech and the press definitely comes into conflict with the rights of people not to be offended. Those are definitely inalienable too. And what of the right of “the people” to decide that certain ideas are dangerous? That’s an inalienable right too!!

            We are definitely making progress. We have a bill of rights of 10 items. The 9th and 10th are already dead. The second is on life support. The first is under heavy attack. We’ve just been informed that the 6th doesn’t mean you get to be presented with your accuser in a court of law and to question them – it means that people have the right to confront you with their accusations.

            So that’s 4 down. Quartering troops has already been compromised when the troops aren’t army troops but are instead law enforcement officials. So that makes 5.

            Dang, this bill of rights thing is kinda on life support.

            And the 4th… yeah… that might be making a comeback…. if it wasn’t for that danged border exclusion zone that includes 90% of the population. So 6 down.

            The fifth… well, we are pretty strong on double jeopardy and due process…. but oh, no! That’s where the whole “takings” thing is. Eminent domain. Asset forfeiture. Yup…. dead letter.

            Ouch, 7 out of 10 either severely compromised or outright dead.

            That leaves the 7th. I dunno, can you have a jury trial in a $20 dollar dispute?

            The second… well, we covered that.

            And that leaves number 8. Well, we do pretty well with “cruel and unusual punishments”, historically speaking. Oh… but then there’s excessive fines. Dang! With asset forfeiture, unmowed grass forclosures… yeah…. that one’s dead too.

            Not one of those isn’t seriously compromised. Daggum folks! You’d think we’d be a little more on top of it than that!

          2. ANOTHER MASSIVE FUCKUP BT FREDDY THEJERK PSYCHO LIAR

            https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

            Miller’s holding (1939) that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

            ((Pages 54-56 are a VERY lengthy list of gun prohibitions at and around ratification. Scalia was an originalist; NOBODY here, who opposes any and all regulations is.

            And treating an out-of-context quote from Scalia as some kind of inerrant word-from-God?

            IT’S THE LAW OF THE LAND, jERK,

            ANOTHER brainwashed tool of the NRA.

        2. Add me to your enemies list.

          1. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. (SNORT)

            1. Freddy the Jerk
              Add me to your enemies list

              I’ve added you to my PSYCHO DUMFUCK LIST FOR ALL YOUR BRUTISH ASSAULTS … ALL OF WHICH ARE JAMMED UP YOUR ASS

              BECAUSE YOU ARE TOTALLY OUR OF CONTROL WITH RAGING HATRED … PROVEN A PSYCHO .. YET AGAIN!

              ANOTHER MASSIVE FUCKUP BY FREDDY THEJERK, PSYCHO LIAR

              You still peddling that tired “we are only allowed weapons in common use at the time of the signing of the BoR” statist bullshit? And treating an out-of-context quote from Scalia as some kind of inerrant word-from-God?

              *sneer*
              *smirk**snort*

              https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
              Miller’s holding (1939) that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

              Pages 54-56 are a VERY lengthy list of gun prohibitions at and around ratification. Scalia was an originalist; NOBODY here, who opposes any and all regulations is.

              And treating an out-of-context quote from Scalia as some kind of inerrant word-from-God?

              I TREAT IS AS THE LAW OF THE LAND, WACKJOBAND WHAT PART OF THE “CONTEXT” … WHOOOOOOOOOSHED OVER YOUR HEAD??>
              ANOTHER brainwashed tool of the NRA. /blockquote>

              Posted in defense of yet another drive-by-assault

        3. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is still assmad that the government’s not taking my guns.

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is still assmad that the government’s not taking my guns.

            COWARDLY DIVERSION
            AND SO FUCKING INFANTILE

            THIS IS HOW CYBER-BULLIES FUNCTION.
            1) PUNISH ME HERE
            2) FAR AWAY FROM ME HUMILIATING HIS PATHETIC ASS … THE MOST RECENT ONE HERE

            https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005254

            READY … FIRE … AIM …. AS RAGING “GENIUS” RED ROCKS —FUCKUP OF THE CENTURY — WHEN HE ADMITS TRUMP AND RAND PAUL LIE ABOUT 6A

            WARNING: May cause peeing in your shorts!! ???? ???? ????

            HE’S BEEN CYBER-STALKING ME FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS … SINCE I FIRST HUMILIATED HIM LIKE THIS. HOW MANY YEARS WILL THIS CAUSE ME? (sneer)

            There is a name for people so totally lacking in shame … no conscience … totally incapable of guilt. No, not just Trump, the clinical definition of PSYCHOPATH, look it up.

            Cont’d

            1. Cont’d

              This is NOT posted for readers … and NOT posted for Red Rocks …. This is posted to SHAME Reason.com … into being libertarian again ….

              … to STOP NURTURING AND DEFENDING the absolute craziest of the alt-right … in blatant defiance of NAP (Non-Aggression Principle) …. but BANNING AND PURGING libertarians for DEFENDING LIBERTARIAN VALUES, often (like here) suffering unprovoked assaults by STALKING CYBER-TERRORISTS,

              As detailed here.
              https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005194

              -Just another libertarian … defending liberty for nearly 50 years … from abuses and aggression by both the left and right.

              Left – Right = Zero

              1. I’m still shaking my gun ownership in Dumbfuck Hihnsano’s face, and there’s nothing he can do about it.

    3. What Dumbfuck Hihnsano deliberately omits is that the 6th Amendment means that the accused gets to know who is actually accusing him. That’s whole point of the “confronted” clause–to prevent someone accused of a crime from being convicted due to anonymous accusations.

      1. Which is kinda amazing…. as you can see in my rant above, the 6th is probably the least compromised of the 10 amendments in the bill of rights.

      2. READY … FIRE … AIM …. AS RAGING “GENIUS” RED ROCKS —FUCKUP OF THE CENTURY — SAYS TRUMP AND RAND PAUL LIE ABOUT 6a

        WARNING: May cause peeing in your shorts!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

        What Dumbfuck Hihnsano deliberately omits is that the 6th Abendment means that the accused gets to know who is actually accusing him. That’s whole point of the “confronted” clause–to prevent someone accused of a crime from being convicted due to anonymous accusations.

        **** THERE IS NO CRIME .. EVEN BEING CONSIDERED.

        *** BEING ACCUSED MEANS BEING CHARGED AND TRIED

        ******* HOW
        ******* CAN
        ******* ANYONE
        ******* BE CONVICTED
        ******* WITH NO FUCKING TRIAL?

        (HUMONGOUS FUCKING SNEER AT THE CRAZY DUMBASS TRUMPSTER!!!)

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano still claiming that the 6th Amendment allows for anonymous accusations. That’s why he’s Dumbfuck Hihnsano.

  56. >>who argue that doing so could have a chilling effect on future reporting of possible corruption.

    *would have* if this nonsense had anything to do with the present reporting of possible corruption

  57. It is amusing to see the two sides of this to talk completely past each other.

    On one hand, you have a bunch of angry people pissed off about what Trump and Giuliani did.

    On the other hand, you have a bunch of angry people pissed off about what Schiff and the whistleblower did.

    Maybe someone could come along and slap a little sense into these people.

    How about this:
    1. Don’t send your personal lawyer to conduct shadow diplomacy on your own personal behalf but with the implied backing of the US government.
    2. Don’t use impeachment as a weapon for every disagreement between parties.

    I can’t ever vote for either of these two clown parties ever again. DC has turned into a bunch of bitchy gossipy teenagers.

    1. Luckily, my Libertarian Party will definitely choose a viable alternative this time…. Yup… definitely won’t be wasting that vote this time around….

      1. Honestly, I think the way forward, for those of us who completely reject this entire clown show, is electoral reform. Change ballot access rules, change voting methods (ranked choice voting etc.), just make changes so as to enable more voices to be heard and to diminish the power of vested interests wanting to keep the clown show going because it secures their power.

      2. Even the boot head guy is looking good!

        1. I dunno about that, but that shoe on head girl was pretty cute. What ever happened to her?

          1. 1 google search later….

            She’s still around

            Pretty funny too: “Hey, Media! The suffragettes didn’t fight for my right to vote so you could tell me who to vote for!”

      3. I can’t wait until I hear McAfee’s campaign slogan.

        Something something whale-sex something…

  58. “Let’s not confuse a lack of special treatment for Trump with the denial of a defendant’s due process rights.”

    And don’t insult my intelligence by telling me this is nothing more than a typical criminal investigation. Impeachment is ultimately a political process, which means ultimately that the American people are the jury. The case for impeachment needs to be made to us. We are entitled to know who the accuser is so that we can assess his credibility. This is particularly true when, unlike the Mueller investigation, the “investigators” here have been strategically leaking information that serves their purposes, and when the ”investigators” have been actively looking for grounds to “impeach the motherfucker” since November 2016 and have repeatedly fallen short up to now.

    If there is a case to be made against Trump, make it. Prove to us that this is not going to be a repeat of Michael Cohen supposed being ready to tell us that he was “ordered” to lie. Trump’s haters have cried wolf once to often, and I feel very much like one of the townsmen.

    So, one more time for those with their pussy hats on a little too tight: the public has excellent reason to be skeptical of the latest allegation that is supposed to bring Trump down, and is entitled to know who the accuser is and to assess his/her credibility for itself.

    1. You lose … and always will … so drop the LAME EXCUSES

      First, you have NO RIGHT to know ANYTHING about ANY ongoing investigation … UNTIL THE PUBLIC TRIAL … IF THERE IS ONE … despite Rand Paul’s SHAMELESS BULLSHIT about the Constitution

      Second, TRUMP defrauded … OUR VETERANS with a fundraiser … them THE SLIME pocketed THEIR money

      https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-donald-trump-ordered-pay-2m-collection-nonprofits/story?id=66827235

      President Donald Trump ordered to pay $2M to collection of nonprofits as part of civil lawsuit

      President Donald Trump has been ordered by a New York State judge to pay $2 million to a group of nonprofit organizations as part of a settlement in >a civil lawsuit stemming from persistent violations of state charities laws.

      The payment is the final resolution to a case brought by the New York attorney general’s office after the Trump Foundation held a fundraiser for military veterans during the 2016 campaign.

      The televised fundraiser took in nearly $3 million in donations that were dispersed on the eve of the Iowa caucuses as directed by then-campaign chief Corey Lewandowski.

      The two million must be paid by President Trump himself for breaching his fiduciary duty to properly oversee the foundation that bears his name.

      “I direct Mr. Trump to pay the $2,000,000, which would have gone to the Foundation if it were still in existence, on a pro rata basis to the Approved Recipients,” Judge Saliann Scarpulla wrote.

      The lawsuit filed by the state’s attorney general accused President Trump — along with his children, Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka — of conflating charity with politics, repeatedly using charitable donations for personal, political and business gains, including legal settlements, campaign contributions and even to purchase a portrait of Trump to hang at one of his hotelsThis was a civil verdict for repeated violations of the law. Guess what’s next?

      It began with one of Trump’s crazy lies … about his greatness … which EXPLODED in his puss. It was his ASSHOLE insult of a Gold Star family, whose son had died defending our country … plus similar insults to other military leader. So he LIED that he had raised $3 million for our vets. Fact-checker and news journalists IMMEDIATELY began investigating the claim … WHICH IS THEIR FUCKING JOB — and reported it as just another LIE. Apparently, they also gave the evidence to the NY AG … as they should on criminal matters … so now we add FRAUD and LAW-BREAKING, by him, Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka … to all his proven lies.

      Remember, Trump was the first President EVER forced to pay a $25 million settlement … for FRAUD … while in office.

      What kind of SCUM screws veterans charities and nonprofits … to enrich himself …. and his campaign … by FRAUD?

      Look for MANY more crimes and/or lawsuits, as Trump is forced to provide ever mote financial records. It’s only just starting.

      1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano celebrating Bitchfit Friday.

  59. Thank heavens we have such a “stable genius” in charge.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360

    As different as George W. Bush and Barack Obama were in temperament and policy preferences, one general told me, they were remarkably alike in the Situation Room: Both presidents asked hard questions, wanted prevailing views challenged, insisted on a variety of options to consider, and weighed potential outcomes against broader goals. Trump doesn’t do any of that. Despite commanding the most sophisticated intelligence-gathering apparatus in the world, this president prefers to be briefed by Fox News, and then arrives at decisions without input from others.

    1. Oh, goody! One more anonymous ‘source’ telling us that Trump isn’t like Obo or Bush!
      Well, I guess that’s the tipping point, right Jeff?

      1. BEND OVER SEVO … ANOTHER LIE PROVEN.
        https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8003989

        Since you got CRUSHED by the facts … again … shout “fuck off,” or some other of your LOSER gambits.

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano sure does like to write about things “exploding in his puss.”

          1. YES … I CELEBRATE showing how Trump’s DISGRACEFUL LIE about our vets … exploded in HIS puss. 🙂 🙂 🙂

            What did YOU do?

            ***Red Rock’s CONTEMPT for American vets … who risked and lost lives .,.. dismissed by a COWARD (him), who sneaks around, under an alias, for the sole purpose of … unprovoked assaults against ANYONE who does not support HIS Authoritarian Right agenda, is … well … morally appalling by him or her,

            THIS is what the sack of shit lied about … click the link

            It began with one of Trump’s crazy lies … about his greatness … which EXPLODED in his puss

            HIS PUSS = TRUMP’S PUSS (smirk)

            THIS is what Red Rocks DEFENDS, as PROVEN at the link

            It was (Trump’) ASSHOLE insult of a Gold Star family, whose son had died defending our country …plus similar insults to other military leaders. So he LIED that he had raised $3 million for our vets. Fact-checkers and news journalists IMMEDIATELY began investigating the claim … WHICH IS THEIR FUCKING JOB — and reported it as just another LIE. Apparently, they also gave the evidence to the NY AG … as they should on criminal matters … so now we add FRAUD and LAW-BREAKING, by him, Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka … to all his proven lies.

            Trump dId raise the $3 MILLION for our vets …. THEN STOLE IT, aided by Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka.
            The very definition of a crime family.

            1. Fuck off, Hihn. And die.

            2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano admits he likes things exploding in his puss.

              1. Red Rocks: NOW 23 PROVEN PSYCHO ATTACKS ON THIS PAGE

                It began with one of Trump’s crazy lies … about his greatness … which EXPLODED in his puss

                Dumbfuck Hihnsano admits he likes things exploding in his puss.Hihnsano is … TRUMP!!!

                COWARDLY DIVERSION
                AND ANOTHER PSYCHO LIE

                THIS IS HOW CYBER-BULLIES FUNCTION.
                1) PUNISH ME HERE
                2) FAR AWAY FROM ME HUMILIATING HIS PATHETIC ASS … MOST RECENT ASS-KICK HERE …. PROVING him a PUSSY WITH AN ATTITUDE! (SNEER)

                https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005254
                READY … FIRE … AIM …. AS RAGING “GENIUS” RED ROCKS —FUCKUP OF THE CENTURY — WHEN HE ADMITS TRUMP AND RAND PAUL LIE ABOUT 6A

                WARNING: May cause peeing in your shorts!! ???? ???? ????

                HE’S BEEN CYBER-STALKING ME FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS … SINCE I FIRST HUMILIATED HIM LIKE THIS. HOW MANY YEARS WILL THIS CAUSE ME? (sneer)

                There is a name for people so totally lacking in shame … no conscience … totally incapable of guilt. No, not just Trump, the clinical definition of PSYCHOPATH, look it up.

                Cont’d

                1. NOT posted for readers … NOT posted for Red Rocks …. posted to SHAME Reason.com … into being libertarian again ….

                  … to STOP NURTURING AND DEFENDING the absolute craziest of the alt-right … in blatant defiance of NAP (Non-Aggression Principle) …. but BANNING AND PURGING libertarians for DEFENDING LIBERTARIAN VALUES, often (like here) suffering unprovoked assaults by STALKING CYBER-TERRORISTS,

                  as detailed here.
                  https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005194

                  -Just another libertarian … defending liberty for nearly 50 years … from abuses by both the left and right.

                  Left – Right = Zero

                  1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano never denied that he likes things exploding in his puss.

        2. “Since you got CRUSHED by the facts … again … shout “fuck off,” or some other of your LOSER gambits.”

          The “facts” regarding an issue I never addressed? How long has it been since you’ve found you can’t remember anything for longer than a minute or so, you pathetic piece of shit?
          Fuck off and die where you won’t stink up the place; raise the world’s IQ in a measurable amount and make it a better place!


          1. RAND PAUL HUMILIATED FOR WRONGLY CLAIMED WHISTLEBLOWWE MUST FACE TRUMP BECAUSE IT’S IN THE CONSTITUTITION

            Well the Sixth Amendment is pretty clear,” Paul told Fox
            Business host Stuart Varney on Tuesday. “It is part of the
            Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights.” “It says you get to confront your
            accusers,”
            he added. “So I think it is very clear the only
            constitutional mandate here,

            How many other Trumptards have LIED about 6A? How many more will?
            Trump is NOT the only psycho in the alt-right. 🙁

            VI Amendment
            In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

            1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano thinks this means that the accused has no right to know who’s bringing accusations against them.

              1. “In all criminal prosecutions”

                I PUT IT BOLDFACE … HE STILL SCREWS UP! 🙂
                OR IS HE A TYPICAL LYIN’ TRUMPTARD?

                1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is assmad that he can’t make anonymous accusations.

    2. the most sophisticated intelligence-gathering apparatus in the world

      LOL.

  60. The CBS firing is even worse.

    There is literally zero proof she leaked anything. She had ACCESS to the video and that is all.

    CBS fired somebody because ABC asked them to without them actually having done anything wrong or improper.

    It might be time to investigate the collusion in the MSM…

    1. I wonder if ABC killed the story because the CEO of Disney went to the island at least twice. Seems suspicious, no?

    2. That whole thing makes me *really* curious about potential state and federal labor law violations as well as defamation if she wasn’t the actual leaker. Hope there is a massive lawsuit against both those companies pending.

      Although, we all know the real reason for the firing was to warn everyone else that even if they no longer work for the company they blow the whistle on, their head will still roll. Especially given that Project Veritas is claiming multiple other insiders have been contacting them since this story broke.

  61. In other news, Donald Trump, president of the US, is ordered to pay $2m in fines for criminally misusing his charity’s funds. Trump was caught using funds raised for veterans for his election campaign.

    I’m sure Jesse, John, etc. will have a great reason for supporting this kind of behavior.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50338231?ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&fbclid=IwAR02DRMSYrXLlDR-mMAlz_lJHk2DSMcCKm7sQjirQ6g4o_FyUxDy97UK8zo&fbclid=IwAR2JnUlQMQFn2m4ZBMclOL0riV_YV3p1D_F-uOGb83BJtBryzGWYzg-OyWI

    1. You got beaten to the punch by a senile old pervert.

    2. Now do the Clintons.

      1. MOAR WHATABOUTISM!!!

        WHEN DID CLINTON LIE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION?
        DEFRAUD AMERICAN VETS?.
        LIE TO DEFEND NEO-NAZIS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS?

        Clinton lied about … consensual sex … but DID NOT bribe her silence, by violating campaign finance laws,.

        You PUSSIES are like an 8-year-old child WHINING, “He did it first, Mommy (sniffle)

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano gets assmad when Dems are criticized.

          1. redrock drops by to name call and not make a rational argument, as is tradition.

            1. Making a rational argument with Dumbfuck Hihnsano is an exercise in futility. Mockery is the only thing he deserves.

              As do you.

    3. Really? “Criminally”?

      “New York’s attorney general, Letitia James, who brought the civil lawsuit ….”

      1. The attorney general who ran for office on a platform of “I will use my office to ‘get’ Trump, Trump’s family and anyone associated with Trump.”

        Yes, that was actually the campaign promise – not some hyperbolic interpretation.

        That is how horrifically bad we are as a society. The citizens of New York thought it was just fine and dandy to elect someone as top prosecutor who promised to use their office for political purposes. Holy crap, we are doomed!

        1. The idiots are going to spin this into some idiotic story about veterans getting screwed. But, Trump is correct. This was a rather trifling statutory violation wherein the campaign, rather than the foundation, disbursed the charitable funds. Nobody lost a god damn cent and Foundation ended up donating everything it had left.

          1. You are talking about all the “idiots” who find charity fraud disgusting? This was a pattern. He bought art for himself and stole from a kids’ cancer foundation too. Stop carrying water for a conman.
            https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#119253616b4a

            1. I am not going to debate legalities with somebody incapable of reading legal documents, let alone understanding them.

              1. Too smart for us? Ok, sure. Standing up for a conman who grifts cancer kids and vets is an odd look to go for, but you do you.

                1. Too smart for you, certainly. When you spew asinine interpretations of actual legal documents and findings, and then get called out on your bullshit, you don’t get to revel in snark.

                  You come off like a moron, as most others in these comments are apt to point out.

                  1. Still waiting on a single sourced argument that refutes anything I’ve posted here. All you guys have done is sling insults and quibble about the wording.

                    Are you ready to admit that Trump is a grifter who has been caught, again? Are you ready to admit that Trump is not even trustworthy enough to be on a board of a charity? Or would you rather try to find asinine, pedantic details to argue over?

                    1. Still waiting on a single sourced argument that refutes anything I’ve posted here.

                      You claimed the actions were criminal, except criminal charges weren’t issued. No one needs a “sourced” argument to refute that, you useless spook.

                    2. Still waiting on you to twist yourself into a pretzel trying to explain how Trump managed evade his “criminal” liabilities in a civil lawsuit.

                      Do you even understand the difference between the criminal and civil legal systems? Or is “criminal” just a term you throw around without any regard for what it actually means?

                      Because, frankly, you are being criminally stupid and I’m done being civil.

                    3. You never were civil.

                      What’s the point of focusing on the use of the word “criminal”? Trump broke laws. Whether the penalties for breaking those laws is civil or criminal, he committed crimes. Fortune magazine, among other mainstream sources have called the issue a “criminal lawsuit”. Fuck me for not being a lawyer in NY.

                      What is telling is that you jump all over the misuse of a word, but have absolutely no argument otherwise. You are defending a serial defrauder of charity, based on nothing more than pedantry. Disgusting.

                      And you keep ignoring the self dealing, fraud, etc.. Again, this is part of a much larger pattern going back to the 80’s.

                    4. “Please watch this misdirection because I fucked up my own argument about civil and criminal charges.”

      2. The lawsuit was civil, but the actions are criminal. Which is why he was already forced to shutter the sham charity.

        https://www.npr.org/2018/12/18/677778958/trump-foundation-to-dissolve-amid-new-york-ags-investigation

        “a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation — including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more. This amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump’s business and political interests.”

        1. //The lawsuit was civil, but the actions are criminal.//

          Just stop. This is getting ridiculous.

          1. Yes, criminal acts. https://www.charitiesnys.com/pdfs/statute_booklet.pdf

            Start around page 12. I lost count of how many codes the Trump charity was in violation of.

            Keep up that strong defense of individual rights…to fraudulently solicit charitable donations.

            1. The word “criminal” literally appears twice in that entire document, and in neither instance does it refer to any sort of criminal penalty.

              Posting random links that don’t support your contentions, incoherent as they are, doesn’t improve your standing.

              Learn. To. Read.

              Imbecile.

    4. “As stated above, I find that the $2,823,000 raised at the Fundraiser was used for Mr. Trump’s political campaign and disbursed by Mr. Trump’s campaign staff, rather than by the Foundation, in violation of N-PCL §§ 717 and 720 and EPTL §§ 8-1.4 and 8-1.8. ****However, taking into consideration that the Funds did ultimately reach their intended destinations, i.e., charitable organizations supporting veterans, I award damages on the breach of fiduciary duty/waste claim against Mr. Trump in the amount of $2,000,000, without interest, rather than the entire $2,823,000 sought by the Attorney General.****** Further, because the parties have agreed to dissolve the Foundation, I direct Mr. Trump to pay the $2,000,000, which would have gone to the Foundation if it were still in existence, on a pro rata basis to the Approved Recipients.”

      Yea, real horrible shit here. “The veterans got screwed!” No, they didn’t.

      Try reading the actual legal documents.

      1. Not like this was the first time. This is a pattern. Last time he stole from a kids’ cancer foundation. Nice.

        https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#119253616b4a

      2. Yes, they did. Trump eventually paid the money when it became obvious he was caught. He’s a conman.

        1. //Trump eventually paid the money when it became obvious he was caught.//

          This was not stipulated to, nor was it a finding of the court. So, you basically just made that up to compensate and/or distract from the fact that you don’t understand the nature of the litigation, the terms of its resolution or, apparently, the English language.

          The legal filings are available publicly. I suggest you read them, if you can.

          1. So, enlightened one. Tell us all the good deeds that the Trump Charity did. Tell us why a “billionaire” needs to “borrow” from his and his son’s sham charities.

            1. Tell us why you can’t read and insist on lying about things you don’t understand. That was the topic at hand.

              1. What’s to lie about? We have the court docs available to us, as you have said. In those docs, Trump admits to self dealing, among other things. But only after he had his lawyers assert that he couldn’t be sued because the president is above the law. Hilarious!

                1. Cite to the docket number, the document, the page, and the paragraph. Then we can talk.

                  1. “Allow me to assign you some homework to derail the conversation because I have no argument.”

                    1. Look at that, Mr. “I have a citation for everything” has no citation.

      3. TRUMP says you’re full of shit!

        The veterans got screwed!” No, they didn’t.
        Try reading the actual legal documents.

        *I* know WHY you were too chicken-shit to post a link.

        How’d ja miss THIS, Sluggo? 🙂 🙂

        The settlement also included an admission from Trump that he personally misused foundation funds and called for mandatory training requirements for the now-defunct foundation’s directors — Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump

        We’re learning that Trump’s CORE base are THE lowest scum on earth. And SO self-righteous about it. Birds of a feather. …
        🙁

  62. >>it’s not defamation to say someone acted like a “racist douchebag.”

    the South Carolina defamation elements define how it is not.

  63. I see Hihn is still around and is still insane. This place has become such a statist sucking shithole. Speaking of the staff anyway. I suppose it is because “Orange Man Bad”. TDS knows no bounds. And Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself.

    1. *snort*
      https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/rand-paul-gets-humiliated-for-wrongly-claiming-whistleblower-must-face-trump-because-its-in-the-constitution/“>RAND PAUL HUMILIATED FOR WRONGLY CLAIMED WHISTLEBLOWER MUST FACE TRUMP BECAUSE IT’S IN THGE CONSTITUTI

      At a campaign rally with Trump in Kentucky on Monday, Paul insisted that media should print the whistleblower’s name, which would give GOP lawmakers the coverage they need to begin smearing the public servant.

      “Well the Sixth Amendment is pretty clear,” Paul told Fox Business host Stuart Varney on Tuesday. “It is part of the Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights.”

      “It says you get to confront your accusers,” he added. “So I think it is very clear the only constitutional mandate here, if someone will accuse you of something that might remove the president from office, for goodness sakes shouldn’t they come forward to present their accusations in person?”

      VI Amendment
      In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

      Also note, it’s the WITNESS that “confronts” … NOT TRUMP … MOAR SHAMELESS BULLLSHIT by Rand Paul,

      1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano thinks that “confronted” means “not facing accusers”, cites Raw Story (LOLOLOLOL) as an authoritative source.

        1. It’s the witness who confronts the accused. Sixth Amendment. Rand Paul lied. Proven.

          ONE MORE TIME: Click my link for a video of Rand’s PSYCHO LIE … on Fox.

          Umm, the VIDEO is the source. (sneer)
          Trump is not the only psycho on the alt-right.
          His supporters scurry around, like cockroaches on a string, spreading brainwashed lies programmed by Trump and Fox. The robotic mind.

          They also swallowed Trump’s LIES on who launched the assaults in Charlottesville … to defend Trump’s neo-nazis and white supremacist supporters … ALSO DENYING UNDENIABLE VIDEO PROOF … IVANKA AND JARED ARE JEWISH, but Trump defends anti-semitic nazis, as Red Rocks cheers.

          Trump not the only psycho in the alt-right. 🙁 🙁

          BREAKING NEWS: Giuliani Associates Urged Ukraine’s Prior President to Open Biden Probe …from the lefties at Wall Street Journal. 🙂
          Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman pushed then-president Poroshenko to announce probes in return for U.S. state visit
          https://www.wsj.com/articles/giuliani-associates-urged-ukraines-prior-president-to-open-biden-election-probes-11573247707
          .
          Quid pro quo. Extortion per the Hobbs Act.
          Trump likely out of office before Christmas, 2019

          More later …

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is assmad because he’s wrong about the 6th Amendment.

  64. The “whistleblower” is not really a whistleblower. The point of having hearings secret is so the committee leadership (Schiff & Co.) can manage the information given to the press. Bleh to all that. I say, as the Fifth Dimension used to sing, “Let the sunshine in.”

    1. NOW the excuse is that the Inspector General lied that he had investigated the charges and found them credible.
      (That means he interviewed the FIRST-HAND witnesses and evidence reported by the whistleblower.)

      Not that you’re a gullible Trumptard … as manipulated as the progtards are on Medicare for All. No, not at all.

      Left – Right = Zero.

  65. I thought this one was rather obvious. Rand can out the person, but then he could face repercussions at his job or even be held liable for a civil case.
    The media has freedom of the press and they’re allowed to have anonymous sources. You know what I’m talking about. The same things that allowed everyone to write years of bullshit for the past 4 years.

    1. Rand’s cote base is the alt-right, like his dad’s.
      But not even close to what he needs to get re-elected.

      1. Rand can get removed from committees and shit like that. Doing something like naming the person can make it harder for him to do his job. The media on the hand doesn’t have to worry. They even outed the Kavanaugh accuser because it worked to their advantage. Doing this would be much easier seeing as it is already out.

        1. NON-RESPONSIVE

          1. That’s what Dumbfuck Hihnsano’s ex-wife said about his micro-dick.

            1. That’s what Dumbfuck Hihnsano’s ex-wife said about his micro-dick.</blockquote

              COWARDLY DIVERSION … AND SO FUCKING INFANTILE

              THIS IS HOW CYBER-BULLIES FUNCTION.
              1) PUNISH ME HERE
              2) FAR AWAY FROM ME HUMILIATING HIS PATHETIC ASS … THREE HOURS EARLIER

              Now PROVING him a PUSSY WITH AN ATTITUDE! (SNEER)

              https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005254
              READY … FIRE … AIM …. AS RAGING “GENIUS” RED ROCKS —FUCKUP OF THE CENTURY — WHEN HE ADMITS TRUMP AND RAND PAUL LIE ABOUT 6A

              WARNING: May cause peeing in your shorts!! ???? ???? ????

              HE’S BEEN CYBER-STALKING ME FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS … SINCE I FIRST HUMILIATED HIM LIKE THIS. HOW MANY YEARS WILL THIS CAUSE ME? (sneer)

              There is a name for people so totally lacking in shame … no conscience … totally incapable of guilt. No, not just Trump, the clinical definition of PSYCHOPATH, look it up.

              Cont’d

              1. —-
                Cont’d

                This is NOT posted for readers … and NOT posted for Red Rocks …. This is posted to SHAME Reason.com … into being libertarian again ….

                … to STOP NURTURING AND DEFENDING the absolute craziest of the alt-right … in blatant defiance of NAP (Non-Aggression Principle) …. but BANNING AND PURGING libertarians for DEFENDING LIBERTARIAN VALUES, often (like here) suffering unprovoked assaults by STALKING CYBER-TERRORISTS,

                As detailed here.
                https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005194

                -Just another libertarian … defending liberty for nearly 50 years … from abuses by both the left and right.

                Left – Right = Zero

                1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is assmad that I own him like Kunta Kinte, whines like a bitch on the HnR comment board.

    2. Considering the Democrats already outed him by naming him in the most recent committee transcript, it really doesn’t matter at this point whether Rand names him or not.

      1. That was LAME
        RAND IS STILL A COWARD and still a crazed psycho.

        Rand-The-Crazed-Psycho ALSO stated .., on the video YOU say does not exist … “We know the whistleblower was involved with Joe Biden.” (gasp)
        OMIGOD! RAND PAUL WAS ‘INVOLVED’ WITH BIDEN … FOR SIX YEARS! BWAAA HAAAA (pees pants laughing)

        How many government employees were “involved” with the Vice President????

        HOW ANY TRUMPTARDS ARE AS STUPID AS SENATOR RAND PAUL.. The Vice President presides over Rand Paul’s Senate!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        “Under the Constitution, the vice president serves as the president of the Senate and presides over the Senate’s daily proceedings.

        RAND IS DUMBER THAN MOST HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS!
        IN EIGHT YEARS … HE NEVER NOTICED …
        * Biden at the front of the Senate Chamber!
        * Then replaced by Pence.

        EIGHT YEARS IN A FUCKING COMA!
        An ideal Trumptard!!!

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano going manic because no one buys his spew.

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano going manic because no one buys his spew.

            COWARDLY DIVERSION
            AND SO FUCKING INFANTILE

            THIS IS HOW CYBER-BULLIES FUNCTION.
            1) PUNISH ME HERE
            2) FAR AWAY FROM ME HUMILIATING HIS PATHETIC ASS … MOST RECENTLY BELOW … … Now PROVING him a PUSSY WITH AN ATTITUDE! (SNEER)

            https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005254
            READY … FIRE … AIM …. AS RAGING “GENIUS” RED ROCKS —FUCKUP OF THE CENTURY — WHEN HE ADMITS TRUMP AND RAND PAUL LIE ABOUT 6A

            WARNING: May cause peeing in your shorts!! ???? ???? ????

            HE’S BEEN CYBER-STALKING ME FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS … SINCE I FIRST HUMILIATED HIM LIKE THIS. HOW MANY YEARS WILL THIS CAUSE ME? (sneer)

            There is a name for people so totally lacking in shame … no conscience … totally incapable of guilt. No, not just Trump, the clinical definition of PSYCHOPATH, look it up.

            Cont’d

            1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is assmad because he got beat like a bitch on gun control.

              That’s why even his own kids hate his guts.

  66. “If He Thinks It’s Such a Good Idea, Why Won’t Rand Paul Name the Whistleblower Himself?”

    Because he is an all-talk, blustering, isolated, anti-social, ineffectual pussy.

    1. Arthur L. Hicklib certain knows about “all-talk, blustering, isolated, anti-social, ineffectual pussies” because he sees them all the time.

      It’s called a mirror.

      1. How stupid is Red Rocks??

        Rand-The-Crazed-Psycho ALSO stated .., on the video YOU say does not exist … “We know the whistleblower was involved with Joe Biden.” (gasp)
        OMIGOD! RAND PAUL WAS ‘INVOLVED’ WITH BIDEN TOO … FOR SIX YEARS! BWAAA HAAAA (pees pants laughing)

        How many government employees were “involved” with the Vice President????

        HOW ANY TRUMPTARDS ARE AS STUPID AS SENATOR RAND PAUL.. The Vice President presides over Rand Paul’s Senate!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        “Under the Constitution, the vice president serves as the president of the Senate and presides over the Senate’s daily proceedings.

        RAND IS DUMBER THAN MOST HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS!
        PLUS, IN EIGHT YEARS … RAND I>NEVER NOTICED …
        * Biden at the front of the Senate Chamber!
        * Then replaced by Pence.

        EIGHT YEARS IN A FUCKING COMA!
        An ideal Trumptard!!!

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano going manic because no one buys his spew.

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano going manic because no one buys his spew.

            ANOTHER COWARDLY DIVERSION FROM VIDEO PROOF
            WHICH HE TOTALLY REVERSES DOWNPAGE!!
            AND SO FUCKING INFANTILE

            THIS IS HOW CYBER-BULLIES FUNCTION.
            1) PUNISH ME HERE
            2) FAR AWAY FROM ME HUMILIATING HIS PATHETIC ASS … MOST RECENTLY HERE … PROVING him a PUSSY WITH AN ATTITUDE! (SNEER)

            https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005254

            READY … FIRE … AIM …. AS RAGING “GENIUS” RED ROCKS —FUCKUP OF THE CENTURY — WHEN HE ADMITS TRUMP AND RAND PAUL LIE ABOUT 6A

            WARNING: May cause peeing in your shorts!! ???? ???? ????

            HE’S BEEN CYBER-STALKING ME FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS … SINCE I FIRST HUMILIATED HIM LIKE THIS. HOW MANY YEARS WILL THIS CAUSE ME? (sneer)

            There is a name for people so totally lacking in shame … no conscience … totally incapable of guilt. No, not just Trump, the clinical definition of PSYCHOPATH, look it up.

            Cont’d

            1. Cont’d

              This is NOT posted for readers … and NOT posted for Red Rocks …. This is posted to SHAME Reason.com … into being libertarian again ….

              … to STOP NURTURING AND DEFENDING the absolute craziest of the alt-right … in blatant defiance of NAP (Non-Aggression Principle) …. but BANNING AND PURGING libertarians for DEFENDING LIBERTARIAN VALUES, often (like here) suffering unprovoked assaults by STALKING CYBER-TERRORISTS,

              As detailed here.
              https://reason.com/2019/11/08/if-he-thinks-its-such-a-good-idea-why-wont-rand-paul-name-the-whistleblower-himself/#comment-8005194

              -Just another libertarian … defending liberty for nearly 50 years … from abuses by both the left and right.

              Left – Right = Zero

              1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is assmad because he got beat like a bitch on gun control.
                That’s why even his own kids hate his guts.

  67. Whistleblower? If there is one, then can someone please point out who he is?

    Because all I see is some bureaucrat who ran to Schiff to share third hand information and speculation made on public channels. The guy never spoke to Trump, wasn’t in on the phone call, had no hand in QPQ.

    There’s almost nothing the “whistleblowers” revealed that would put anyone’s lives in danger if their names were made public. This whole thing is a farce.

    1. Whistleblower? If there is one, then can someone please point out who he is?

      NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.
      ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU’RE DUMBER THAN A BOX OF ROCKS

      Because all I see is some bureaucrat

      TRUMPTARD “SEES” SOMEBODY HE DOESN’T KNOW WHO!!! 🙂

      who ran to Schiff to share third hand information and speculation made on public channels. The guy never spoke to Trump, wasn’t in on the phone call, had no hand in QPQ.

      PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
      FULL OF SHIT ON THIRD HAND.

      YOU “SEE” SOMEONE UNKNOWN TO YOU .,.. BUT TOTALLY CLUELESS ON REPORTED FACTS. ALL THE NAMED SOURCES MUST BE QUESTIONED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, TO ENTER THE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT … TO PROTECT THE WITNESSES FROM PUNISHMENT BY THE NAMED OFFICIAL.

      1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano standing up for his Deep State boo, Eric Ciaramella.

  68. Umbrellas.

    The only time a man appears dignified with one is if he is holding it over the head of a lady.

  69. Marines with umbrellas? Those umbrellas better have swords in them to be pulled out in case of emergency.

    Also:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ

  70. Maybe some kind of James Bond umbrella which doubles as a machine gun and your own personal helicopter?

    1. The penguin had one of those.

      1. I knew I got the idea from somewhere.

        IIRC the umbrella, when opened up, was also bulletproof.

  71. The Dems will let that whistleblower blow their blues away.

  72. TRUMP defrauded … OUR VETERANS with a fundraiser … them THE SLIME pocketed the money

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-donald-trump-ordered-pay-2m-collection-nonprofits/story?id=66827235

    President Donald Trump ordered to pay $2M to collection of nonprofits as part of civil lawsuit

    President Donald Trump has been ordered by a New York State judge to pay $2 million to a group of nonprofit organizations as part of a settlement in >a civil lawsuit stemming from persistent violations of state charities laws.

    The payment is the final resolution to a case brought by the New York attorney general’s office after the Trump Foundation held a fundraiser for military veterans during the 2016 campaign.

    The televised fundraiser took in nearly $3 million in donations that were dispersed on the eve of the Iowa caucuses as directed by then-campaign chief Corey Lewandowski.

    The two million must be paid by President Trump himself for breaching his fiduciary duty to properly oversee the foundation that bears his name.

    “I direct Mr. Trump to pay the $2,000,000, which would have gone to the Foundation if it were still in existence, on a pro rata basis to the Approved Recipients,” Judge Saliann Scarpulla wrote.

    The lawsuit filed by the state’s attorney general accused President Trump — along with his children, Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka — of conflating charity with politics, repeatedly using charitable donations for personal, political and business gains, including legal settlements, campaign contributions and even to purchase a portrait of Trump to hang at one of his hotelsThis was a civil vredic for repeated criminal actions. Gues what’s next.

    It began with one of Trump’s crazy lies … about his greatness … which EXPLODED in his opus. It was his ASSHOLE insult of a Gold Star family, whose son had died defending our country … plus similar insults to other military leader. So he barked that he raised $3 million for our vets. Fact-checker and news journalists IMMEDIATELY began investigating the claim … WHICH IS THEIR FUCKING JOB — and reported it as just another LIE. Apparently, they also gave the evidence to the NY AG … as they should on criminal matters … so now we add FRAUD and LAW-BREAKING, by him, Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka … to all his proven lies.

    Remember, Trump was the first President EVER forced to pay a $25 million settlement … for FRAUD … while in office.

    What kind of SCUM screws veterans charities and nonprofits … to enrich himself …. and his campaign … by FRAUD?

    Look for MANY more crimes and/or lawsuits, as Trump is forced to provide ever mote financial records.

  73. In Seeking to Join Suit Over Subpoena Power, Mulvaney Goes Up Against the President
    TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Even in a White House of never-befores, this may be one of the more head-spinning: The president’s chief of staff is trying to join a lawsuit against the President.Mick Mulvaney works only about 50 steps from the Oval Office as he runs the White House staff but rather than simply obey President Trump’s order to not cooperate with House impeachment investigators, he sent his lawyers to court late Friday night asking a judge whether he should or not.

    The latest defense by the White House looks like sheer and total desperation … that it was Mulvaney who developed and signed off on … the quid pro quo that never happened  It may be
    amusing to see how Trumpsters deal with this one.
    After their strenuous
    denials of any qpq, Trump’s own attorneys just threw them all under a bus. After mountains of tetim0my, they threw in the towel.

    Trump betrayed yet another of his most loyal supporters. ; If Mulvaney was expected to take a bullet for the President, ; and instead said “F you,” Trump may be close to the Nixonian resignation that many now predict.

    John Bolton, another Trump betrayal, is also pursuing similar legal action … seeking to defy Trump’s orders by testifying to the House investigation. Bolton’s motivation is less obvious …or is it? Remember, Trump boasted that he had fired Bolton, another apparent “proof” of his (Trump’s) masculinity. … then attacked Bolton for saying he had offered to resign.

    In the deep weeds, Trump allies, led by Fox, claim that Democrats asked the lawsuit by Bolton’s top aide, Kupperman, who refused a subpoena, should be thrown out because the Kupperman subpoena had been withdrawn … half true and dishonest. The reason stated for withdrawal was an almost identical case is much further along, to settle the issue of subpoena power … Don McGhan’s subpoena. On every other issue (so far). the House’s explicit constitutional authority is supreme. Does this include their power to subpoena?./p>

    I’m still dizzy from Trump’s attorneys saying he has every right to shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue!

    1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is dizzy, all right. That’s why nothing he ever posts is correct.

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