Whistleblowers

Trump, Not the Whistleblower, Has Acted Illegally

The president's threats might prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward to expose executive abuse.

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Partisans of this president are looking for every way to undermine and smear the Ukraine whistleblower. They have accused the person of being a Democratic hack. They have questioned the whistleblower's motives and integrity. And they have speculated that he or she is part of a deep state conspiracy to take down President Donald Trump.

But Trump himself took the cake when he demanded to know the identity of the person while saying that whoever did so was "close to a spy."

"You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart with spies and treason, right? We used to handle it a little differently than we do now," he said, hinting that the person deserved severe punishment—perhaps even execution.

But there is a vast difference between a domestic spy who sells out his country to another for personal gain and a whistleblower who tries to protect his country from corrupt officials abusing the powers granted to them.

If anything, Trump's actions are more in line with a spy's given that he is using his public office for private gain. As Frank Bowman, University of Missouri law professor and author of High Crimes and Misdemeanors: A History of Impeachment for the Age of Trump, notes, in authoritarian states like Vladimir Putin's Russia, it may be seen as normal for a leader to use state power to ensure his continuation in office. In this country, a president's interest in getting re-elected is considered to be a private, rather than a public, interest. (Dislosure: Bowman is my tenant.)

That's why, argues The Volokh Conspiracy's Ilya Somin, to the extent that Trump threatened to withhold congressionally authorized aid to Ukraine until President Volodymyr Zelenskiy promised to dig up dirt on Trump's political opponent, he basically demanded an in-kind political contribution, a kind of private benefit that 18 USC Section 601 explicitly outlaws. Soliciting foreign contributions for a political campaign is not illegal, per se. But what is potentially criminal—along with being unconstitutional—is that Trump tried to use congressional aid as leverage to do so.

The whistleblower, by contrast, has scrupulously adhered to the law.

University of Texas' Stephen Vladeck points out that the amended 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) laid out the channels and procedures that whistleblowers must follow in order to expose wrongdoings by higher-ups in intelligence agencies—both to protect classified information and themselves from retaliation. This means that the whistleblowers dealing with sensitive intelligence cannot leak the information to the press or the public. Rather, they must share their concerns with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) who, in turn, is required to transmit credible concerns to the director of national intelligence (DNI). The director then has seven days to transmit this information to congressional intelligence committees along with his (or her) own comments.

In this case, the whistleblower did exactly what he was supposed to do. Unlike Daniel Ellsberg of Pentagon Papers fame and Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency contractor who exposed government surveillance of ordinary Americans, both of whom illegally (and heroically for anti-war, anti-surveillance libertarians!) copied classified information and released it publicly, the whistleblower, in this case, did none of those things. He stayed within official channels.

But the folks whom he reported his concerns to didn't. Vladeck notes that for the first time in the 21-year history of the revised FISA statute, DNI Joseph Maguire did not forward the whistleblower's complaints to Congress. Why? Because the Department of Justice told him not to, even though the DOJ Office of the Inspector General, a quasi-independent watchdog, deemed it worthy of congressional scrutiny.

Yet the president has the temerity to accuse the whistleblower (and those around him) of being spies who have committed treason while advocating that we deal with them like we used to do in the "old days" when we were apparently smarter. These are the kinds of threats that, if not unambiguously rejected, could prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward to expose executive abuse. They are more worthy of banana republics led by authoritarian rulers who have contempt for any law that holds them accountable.

Trump has gotten himself into big trouble. And he will seemingly stop at nothing to get himself out of it—even if that means personal attacks, threats, and trashing of the institutions and norms painstakingly erected over the course of the last 250 years.

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  1. Why is all this not a valid exercise of Article II powers by POTUS Trump = The latest Ukraine chapter in the ongoing saga to overturn the 2016 election.

    To me, the POTUS pretty much gets a ‘hall pass’ on the conduct of foreign policy. He can talk to unsavory people, say unsavory things, lie his ass off, make outrageous demands. Presidents do this every day.

    How is this different?

    1. It is not. But you have to remember that Dalmia is a profoundly stupid and dishonest person. So, she has managed to convince herself that Trump telling the Ukrainian President that he should look into Biden’s corruption is somehow wrong.

      1. Biden’s SON’S corruption. The investigation was into his SON. A point that seems to get lost in the “smearing his political opponents” stupidity.

        And WHEN did so many people get so invested in defending corrupt politicians, as long as it is their corrupt politicians? (I know I know, always)

        Wait wait, these people actually think they’re the hero of this story because they’re circling their wagons around JOE BIDEN?

        1. Look man, they gave Biden’s son that job because of reasons not as a way to launder bribes to Biden.

          1. It’s only coincidence that Hunter got these deals the same week his dad was in the country.

            When John Kerry’s son dissolves a business partnership with Hunter and tells state about it, maybe there is an issue. Kerry saw no problem with 1.5 billion from china but even he had an issue with ukraine.

            1. It’s only coincidence that Hunter got these deals the same week his dad was in the country.

              Prove it, psycho.

              Kerry saw no problem with 1.5 billion from china but even he had an issue with ukraine.

              How in HELL are those related? Are you one of the WACKOS who thinks Biden threatened to withhold funding to the Ukraine … also with NO evidence, in fact, the evidence PROVES it a lie,

              1. You fucking idiot, there is video of Biden bragging that he threatened to withhold funding.

                1. HEY CRAZY FUCKHEAD, DENVER J — BRAINWASHED LOON OF THE WACKY RIGHT.

                  THERE WAS NO FUNDING … WHICH IS WHAT HE SAYS … SO YOU ALSO SWALLOWED A BULLSHIT HEADLINE AND NEVER LISTENED TO THE TAPE AT THAT ONE HOUR LINK.

                  READY? (SNEER)

                  0:58 TO CRUSH YOUR PATHETIC BULLYING.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=RpQZ0e-Ux7w
                  “I remember going over (to Ukraine), convincing our team … that we should be providing for loan guarantees. … And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from (then Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko) and from (then-Prime Minister Arseniy) Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor (Shokin). And they didn’t. .

                  Shame on you, WHINY PUSSY

                  1. Hey dumbass, he threatened to withhold a billion dollars in loan guarantees, which is still foreign aid, unless they fired a member of their government. And you think Trump asking them to help with an investigation is wrong? You’re an idiot. A partisan, knee jerk reacting, TDS suffering, moron who would impeach any republican simply for the crime of not being a fucking big government authoritarian douchbag.

                    1. That’s Hihn. Any engagement is worthless; he’s beyond demented and would do the world a favor by fucking off and dying where we can’t smell him.

                    2. MOAR BULLSHIT BY DENVER J.
                      Called out as a psycho … CHANGES HIS STORY!!!

                      First: “Biden bragging that he threatened to withhold funding.

                      Now: which is still foreign aid

                      Loser. AGAIN!

                    3. “Hey dumbass, he threatened to withhold a billion dollars in loan guarantees, which is still foreign aid, unless they fired a member of their government. And you think Trump asking them to help with an investigation is wrong?”

                      Two Cases :

                      Case One : Biden withheld money from Ukraine by order of the President, per State Department policy, per the request of the European Union, and in conjunction with the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. Everyone was united in pressing for Shokin’s ouster because the prosecutor was hopelessly corrupt.

                      For instance, in 2014 the EU demanded ten reforms to establish an independent judiciary in Ukraine, then watched Shokin block every one. He was infamous for shielding people from charges of corruption, particularly members of the previous regime who had looted the country. One of his own subordinate prosecutors was arrested for taking bribes, with several million dollars worth of diamonds found in his house. Shokin released him, dropped all charges, returned the diamonds.

                      He was deeply loathed inside Ukraine, and every single reform group inside the country applauded Biden’s pressure and cheered it’s success. When Shokin was fired, the Kyiv Post wrote this : “By the end of his term he was likely one of the most unpopular figures in Ukraine, having earned a bad reputation for inaction and obstructing top cases.”

                      Yesterday it was the turn of former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine John Herbst (a veteran of the George W. Bush administration) to contradict the Trump argument that Biden did something wrong pressuring Ukraine. Herbst said Shokin was an untrustworthy “corrupt prosecutor,” who the United States, the European Union, the International Monetary Fund and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development all wanted out of the job.

                      No amount of spin or alternate facts will ever make Shokin’s firing about Hunter Biden. That smear cannot be rescued by anyone who has the slightest respect for the truth. It is a lie, pure and simple….

                      Case Two : Trump pressures Ukraine for his own personal gain. He holds up military aid to a country fighting a Russian invasion. He colludes with a foreign leader to affect a U.S. election. And his demand was two “investigations” where he laid out the story he wanted told, step by step – signaling to the Ukraine president who to target and what lies to support. Because both of Trump’s faux-investigations (CrowdStrike tin-foil-hat lunacy and the Biden Was Protecting Hunter canard) are clear lies. We’re all used to Trump’s obsessive lying, but this time he was demanding lies from a foreign leader.

                      Yep. Case One & Two are different. Only a partisan, knee jerk moron could deny it. And that’s why impeachment is justified…..

                    4. Another day and more humiliation for Trump supporters. Aren’t you guys embarrassed at being embarrassed daily? Seems like constantly being slimed by Trump’s slime trail of lying, corruption and incompetence would get old, but damn if you supporters don’t continue to try and scrub off the stink. Developments :

                      (1) Trump froze Ukrainian aid back in June, not July as previously reported.

                      (2) The State Department Inspector General asked for an emergency session briefing Congress on reports of retaliation against State Department witnesses cooperating with the investigation. Perhaps more impeachment charges?

                      (3) Secretary of State Mike Pompeo finally admitted he was on the call after several days of evasive weaseling. Apparently he didn’t get the word from Trump that the call was “perfect” and “good”, because he’s been trying to duck any connection to it. Today we also learned Pompeo pressured U.S. Representative to Ukraine Negotiations Kurt Volker to resign after the whistleblower news broke, apparently as some kind of damage control. Volker rejected Pompeo’s demand that no one from State testify. Let’s hope he speaks freely.

                      (4) Oh, and Trump had an out-of-control meltdown news conference while sitting alongside Finnish President Sauli Niinistö today. The guy is already losing it (not the Finn)

                      Trump supporters, save what self-respect you have left. Cut the chord.

                    5. But … But … THE ORANGE JESUS … A 21st century savior!

                  2. What does Biden’s ass taste like Hihn? Does suckng him off publicly like you are really get you going?

                    1. Is it Hihn? I can’t remember who always whined about being bullied. So many idiots, and they all look the same on the webs.

                    2. Yup. So is the other one. SQRLSY. Both Hihn.

                    3. THREE TRUMPTARDS DENYING VIDEO PROOF
                      … and being infrantile

                      Like Trump, they go APE-SHIT when proven wrong
                      And childish, (sneer)

                  3. OMG, how stupid can you be?

                    1. Sorry 80 deg that was meant for Hihn.

                    2. JoeB throws a raging hissy fit ,., because PROOF was provided .,.. but Trumptard beleeb screeching tops proof. (sneer)

                      The proof is here, punk:
                      https://reason.com/2019/09/30/trump-not-the-whistleblower-has-acted-illegally/#comment-7952434

                      And the Hihn conspiracy!!! How is he on the Pizzagate, Birtherism and Crowdstrike conspiracies?

                  4. Hihn’s back! Hey Hihn, if you aren’t going to take your anti-psychotics, can I have them, you looney motherfucker?

                    1. I do proof. You a whiney pussy.

                2. What a psycho,
                  You can’t tell the difference between Biden acting OPENLY in concert with other nations including Ukrainian reformers vs. Trump acting in secret to dig up dirt on his rivals

                1. How does a goober respond to ABSOLUTE proof?

                  Wow you’re dumb.

                  If he says more, he gets humiliated. Several times on this page alone!!!
                  Bullies for Trump

        2. “Biden’s SON’S corruption.”

          Had Little Biden done nothing but cash his paychecks it would be at least questionable, but not necessarily corrupt. At least not his corruption.

          When Slow Joe went to bat against the Ukraine in order to protect the source of Hunter’s paycheck that was corruption. And there is no argument that changes that reality. Slow Joe should have never let himself become compromised by his son’s employment choices, but he did and so it is all on him.

          1. But, when Biden’s son was legally in trouble in the Ukraine, Biden got on a plane to the Ukraine pronto & told them unless you fire the prosecutor & leave my son alone, no US Billion Dollar Aid package will be given to you!…He is on tape admitting this & there is an affidavit where the fired prosecutor, under oath admits all this….And is there any doubt that Obama knew all about this?…..This is way worse than anything Nixon, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or Trump has ever done!
            From the Affidavit:
            ________________________________________________________

            He alleges, “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings…a natural gas firm active in Ukraine. Jose Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors. I presume Burisma, which was connected with gas extraction, had the support of the US Vice President Joe Biden because his son was on the Board of Directors.”

            He claimed that Poroshenko asked him to consider winding down the investigation but he refused to close it. He claimed Poroshenko told him if he didn’t stop investigating Burisma the US via Biden would refuse to release the money.
            ____________________________________________________

              1. You’re acting like Biden knew who he was and where he was at the time. Like he had the mental acuity to realize that it was the same prosecutor that might be a problem for his son. For all we know, when Biden said this at the Foreign Affairs forum, he was remembering something he read someplace and got confused. Stop picking on Biden for the things he says. You know it’s not fair to expect him to know who he is or what he’s saying, never mind any possible implications. Sheesh.

            1. The big trouble with your conspiracy lie is that the old prosecutor WASN’T investigating Hunter

          2. Don’t forget all the millions the Bidens made in China too directly due to VP Biden’s influence!!!

            1. I’m too busy laughing, at your tribal bullshit … and gullibility.

              1. And Hillary did not turn the State Dept into the Clinton Foundation State Dept. either, right??…..LOL!!!

                1. You forgot the Uranian One bullshit, conspiracy freak.
                  (sneer)

      2. “Dalmia is a profoundly stupid and dishonest person.”

        She’s flat out lying here. It’s one thing for an opinion writer to only talk about the facts that fit their narrative, but it’s another to invent them.
        She deserves to be fired for this garbage.

        1. Prove it, you sniveling coward.

          1. Fuck off Hihn, you ban evading piece of shit.

            1. FAILS TO PROVE!

              TOTAL BASS ACKWARDS.

              CLAIMS THE PERSON DEMANDING PROOF IS THE ONE BEING EVASIVE!!! OMFG.

              Trumpsters

      3. Reason is more and more infested with Demorrhoid cancer cells. When you see their name on the line, you just ignore the article and go to the comments for gold.

    2. The worst, however, are the writers at Volkh. Dalmia is legitimately stupid and can at least claim not to understand what is going on. The guys at Volkh can’t claim that. They know what complete horseshit this is. And they are taking positions they know are false because whoever pays their salaries is telling them to do so. They are pushing real damaging lies. I honestly don’t know how they sleep at night.

      1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything/2019/09/26/48801f66-e068-11e9-be7f-4cc85017c36f_story.html

        Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden ‘did not violate anything’

        Out-take:

        “Giuliani has alleged that Hunter Biden was involved in corruption during his nearly five years on the board of Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company.
        Giuliani has not offered any evidence.”

        With the emphasis on, no evidence being offered… Kinda like the armies of supporters of the Trumptatorship here on these comment pages! A private citizen serves on the board in Ukraine… And we have no evidence of his wrong-doing there. He quit a half a year ago, knowing that there might be the APPEARANCE of familial conflicts of interests. Now we have a POTUS clearly using his office to meddle in the affairs of other nations… For his USA political-campaign interests! But the armies of supporters of the Trumptatorship, predictably, come clambering and clamoring to his defense! Surprise, surprise! What is truth? It depends on your political leanings and alliances! There IS no “truth”!

        And then the conservatives will get all up in arms about “cultural relativism”!

        “My tribe GOOD! Your tribe BAD!” That’s the only “truth” put forth here by MANY commenters!

        1. “Former Ukraine prosecutor says”

          I don’t care what he says. It’s not definitive, or even evidence of anything you stupid slaver fuck.

          1. ANOTHER Trumptard screeching “Fake News” ,,, when they LOSE (Also close their eyes and cover their ears, while chanting, “La La La La La La,” over and over — and talking like a 12-year-old trashmouth..

            I don’t care what he says.

            And we all know why, Skippy.
            But I do hear your, “La La La La La La,”

            It’s not definitive, or even evidence of anything

            Also retarded!
            Why is a screeching retard more credible than the actual chief prosecutor IN THE RELEVANT COUNTRY????
            Because Trumptards are all brainwashed robots. Just like Berniebots and Elizabethbots,

            Proof again: Left – Right = Zero.

            1. Fuck off Hihn, you ban evading piece of shit.

              1. THE HIHN CONSPIRACY!!!
                By the same Trumptards who gave us Pizzagate, Birtherism, Crowdstrike …. LOSE on the message … SHOOT THE MESSENGER

                The same goobers who began burning books and witches. and censorship, for centuries

        2. That’s nice and all, but the investigation was torpedoed and never comprehensive, so he’s basically commenting on what little he knows. Not very useful really.

          1. Liar.
            Pathetic.
            Or prove it.

        3. This coming from Hihn who has spent the entire last 3 years nursing Russiagate fever dreams.

          Fill up the fake cum reservoir on your Obama Bad Dragon with sodium cyanide before your next session Hihn.

          1. Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

            So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…

            Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:

            Hi Fantastically Talented Author:

            Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.

            At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.

            Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .

            Thank You! -Reason Staff

              1. I’m SOOOO scared!!!

                Meanwhile… WHAT does it take, before conservatives will support impeaching the Head of the Trumptatorship?!??!

                Under Hitler, the German armed forces swore personal allegiance to Hitler… Not the German nation or some code of law. Personal allegiance (not the good of the whole) is a scary place to go. But THAT is where Orange Hitler wants to take us!

                https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/politics/trump-mueller-barr-australia/index.html

                Trump pressed Australian Prime Minister to help with Justice review of Russia probe origins

                WHO is disloyal to MEEEE?!??! Is what Trump is all about! Flush OUT all of the people who are disloyal to MEEEE!!!!

                1. Please stop spamming. I flagged you again.

                    1. No reason we can’t all do it.

                    2. I just did too.

                    3. Don’t flag him you cretin. His deranged ramblings are the highlight of any thread, they really break up the Trump circle jerk when the sane commenters like soldiermedic aren’t around.

                  1. Doesn’t matter. Reason seldom blocks people, and that’s probably good, and he’d just make a new account even if they did.

                    1. Oh no you miss the point. He’s triggered by flagging him, its what set off the crazyness from his other sock.

              2. “8o degrees” continues the centuries-old tradition. Right-wingers burning witches and books and censoring non-conformers to their diktats. Be very afraid.,

                1. It’s the boldface that gives the instability away.

                  1. That’s RIDICULE, retard
                    So is this. (smirk)

                    1. And the name calling. Unstable.

                    2. Not name-calling, when the PROOF of your infantile fuckup is clearly visible.

                      So, you’re also a retard on name-calling vs supported arguments.

                      A third screwup now?

                    3. And the name calling.

                      YOU said “instability” so you’re now ALSO a lying sack of shit.
                      A supported argument, chuimp

            1. Most Righteous Feelz –

              The prosecutor who was sacked pursuant to Obama’s orders as conveyed by Biden claims that he was fired BECAUSE he was investigating Biden’s son.

              In fact, he has made out an affidavit so declaring. Three other former Ukranian prosecutors have as well.

              Does not the President have the power to ask foreign heads of state for assistance in investigating crimes committed by former presidents?

              1. The prosecutor who was sacked pursuant to Obama’s orders as conveyed by Biden claims that he was fired BECAUSE he was investigating Biden’s son.

                Hunter was NEVER investigated, you pathetic traitor,

                Does not the President have the power to ask foreign heads of state for assistance in investigating crimes committed by former presidents?

                WHAT WAS THE CRIME? (snort)

                Ukraine Prosecutor Says No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Bidens
                Ukraine’s prosecutor general said in an interview that he had no evidence of wrongdoing by U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden or his son, despite a swirl of allegations by President Donald Trump’s lawyer.

                Trump betrayed your blind loyalty to him. You have been totally suckered. Do you even care?

                Your version is the wackiest yet.
                Your turn. No whining, PROOF.

                1. “Bubastis
                  September.30.2019 at 6:22 pm
                  That’s nice and all, but the investigation was torpedoed and never comprehensive, so he’s basically commenting on what little he knows. Not very useful really.”

                  He’s not going to stop being right just because it makes you cry you stupid shit eating slaver.

                  1. PROOF!
                    LIKE I DO!
                    (sneer)

                  2. WHERE’S YOUR PROOF!
                    LIKE I DO!
                    (sneer)

                    1. Fuck off Hihn, you ban evading psychotic.

                    2. STILL NO PROOF
                      JUST A WHINY PUSSY. LIKE TRUMP.

                2. Hunter not being investigated is the point you blithering idiot.

                  1. MOAR PROOF! JesseAz a lying sack of (you know)

                    The prosecutor who was sacked pursuant to Obama’s orders as conveyed by Biden claims that he was fired BECAUSE he was investigating Biden’s son.

                    Versus the Clown Goober

                    Hunter not being investigated is the point

                    (sneer)

                    you blithering idiot.

                    READY FIRE AIM!
                    As a general rule, babies like you SUCK as bullies.

                3. What was the crime in Mueller?

                  1. There could be none, as Mueller stated, per DOJ policy. so he didn’t look for crime, as he also stated. While you’ve been napping for so long.

                    He merely gathered evidence, while memories were still clear .. for later prosecution … plus five likely criminal acts handed off to the Southern District of New Your, which have curiously disappeared. What are the odds those criminal charges will be filed, closer to the election?

                    Stop napping and keep up!

        4. It doesn’t matter if a Ukrainian law was broken, Hunter was given a job he had no qualification for, other than the fact that his last name was Clinton Bush Kennedy Biden. Laws don’t have to be broken for there to be corruption and conflicts of interest.

          1. It doesn’t matter if a Ukrainian law was broken, Hunter was given a job he had no qualification for,

            Based on …WHAT?
            TELL US THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE A BOARD MEMBER, SINCE YOU’VE LOST AGAIN

            Just like Trump. Every loss is followed by a new lie … from thousands of them.

            1. So you’re just going to ignore the fact that everyone is pleading for you, for your own sake, to please, please, just take your meds.

              1. No kidding.

                But why would such a rude arrogant person listen to our pleas? It’s all about him.

              2. DenverJ called out as a phony, is AGAIN challenged:

                TELL US THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE A BOARD MEMBER, SINCE YOU’VE LOST AGAIN

                ANOTHER FAILURE!!! … MORE WHINING AND COWARDLY EVASION.

                “Pity the fool.”

              3. MORE COWARDLY BULLSHIT FROM DENVERJ

                REPAT FOR THE PSYCHO LIAR

                Based on …WHAT?
                TELL US THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE A BOARD MEMBER, SINCE YOU’VE LOST AGAIN

                PUT UP OR SHUT UP, PSYCHO.

            2. Don’t flag him you cretin. His deranged ramblings are the highlight of any thread, they really break up the Trump circle jerk when the sane commenters like soldiermedic aren’t around. 2

        5. It’s Viktor Shokin, the targeted Ukrainian prosecutor that was fired at Biden’s directive, who has the first hand eye witness recounting of what happened, not his hand picked successor put into office after the ouster of Viktor Shokin.
          And according to Viktor Shokin in sworn statements, there most definitively was an investigation into the gas company Burisma, that Hunter Biden worked at, and the investigation was prematurely ended when Viktor Shokin fired.
          They didn’t get into Burisima’s alleged corruption, or Hunter Biden’s involvement, because they were stopped in time to do so.
          It is not so much that Hunter Biden was found innocent of anything, it is that the investigation that could have found out if he was innocent or not, was shut down before it could be found out.

          1. And according to Viktor Shokin in sworn statements

            PROVE IT, YOU BRAINWASHED PSYCHO.

        6. “Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden ‘did not violate anything’”

          Shokin, who has said he WAS investigating Burisma and Biden, was fired per Joe’s demand. His successor, lo and behold, found no problems with Hunter.

          Not sure how this defends your argument,

          1. PROVE IT, LIAR

        7. What does that have to do with the bullshit allegations against Trump?

          I ask, as someone who voted for neither of the NYC Demorrhoids.

          1. Nothing, They’re like trained seals. Trump’s morning tweets are how he manipulates them. Note: they know NOTHING about ANYTHING.

      2. And they are taking positions they know are false because whoever pays their salaries is telling them to do so.

        Yup, there are only three possible positions here:

        1. John is right and everyone who disagrees is stupid
        2. John is right and everyone who disagrees is lying
        3. John is right and everyone who disagrees has corrupt motives

        1. 4. Jeff is lying and is De Opresso Liber among others.

          Fuck off now sock.

        2. 5. Chemleft is a Media Matters Fifty-center who is paid to spam here.

          1. Hey, how do I get paid to spam?
            I really could use the money.

            1. Sign up at Media Matters. Rich Uncle Soros has given them grants aplenty to fund their online astroturfing campaigns.
              To prove your left-wing street cred though, you’ll have to personally abort and eat a fetus.

      3. John
        I honestly don’t know how they sleep at night.

        Or how to feed or clothe yourself!

    3. Rightwing goobers DEFEND Trump inviting s foreign government to interfere in our 2020 election Pathetic.

      Likewise, he publicly invited Russia to interfere in 2016, and Russia hacked the DNC server less than 24 hours later.

      Trump was correct when he famously said his supporters should not be trusted, They would lie to defend him of even cold-blooded murder. When the accepted so blatant an insult, we knew we’d have the worst set of brainwashed drones ever, worse even than Orwell’s 1984.

      1. You gave some shit in your teeth slaver.

        1. Behold the CYBER-PUNK!

          Rightwing goobers DEFEND Trump inviting a foreign government to interfere in our 2020 election Pathetic.

          Likewise, he publicly invited Russia to interfere in 2016, and Russia hacked the DNC server less than 24 hours later.

          You gave some shit in your teeth slaver.

          THAT is a POOR LOSER

          Back in elementary school, remember that kid on the school bus?The one who’d yel; “SHIT” … then giggle like a school girl? This is what they become.

      2. “Likewise, he publicly invited Russia to interfere in 2016, and Russia hacked the DNC server less than 24 hours later.”

        Well, the DNC said they did. The FBI was not permitted to investigate.

      3. Hi, welcome to Reason where we’re neither left nor right, even by the retarded definitions of each you use.

        BTW, even Hillary’s pets disproved the Russian birth certificate allegation. You should find a new song.

    4. In this thread, chemlefft and his so k puppet de oppreso Liber try and to rally fail to refute the fact that the whistleblower regs were changed.

      In fact, he’s so fucking dumb, HE PROVES THE OPPOSITE HAHAAHAHAJAJAJA

      1. Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

        Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

    5. Joe Biden is corrupt trash now. Corrupt Trash like Joe Biden and his Druggie Son do not matter. America matters more than corrupt druggie Biden trash.

      1. Says the drooling psycho.

        1. Fuck off Hihn, your Mom’s calling you to go take your meds.

          1. Says the INFANTILE drooling psycho.

            1. Wait! Wait! I know this one!

              “I know you are, but what am I?”

    6. It’s different because it’s Trump. Period. And I see no note taken that sometime in the last year or so, the “whistleblower” form has been amended to permit non-first-hand information, which used to be required. Indeed, the language of the requirements still instructs whistleblowers to describe what they WITNESSED. In this instance, absolutely nothing was witnessed by the whistleblower. It’s pure hearsay gussied up with alarm bells of pure speculation.

      TDS has infected Reason. And, if you pronounce that, it sounds terribly like “tedious.” Which it is.

      1. From what I understood, any changes in regulatory standards or procedure, must first be published as a proposed change in the Federal Register, then subject to public opinion and commentary, then recommended one way or another, then changed or not by the Director of the agency.
        This sounds like a change that did not follow any of those rules.
        And should not even be effective because of that .

        1. Trumpsters EAGERLY brainwashed! Puppets on a string.

          Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

          Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

          1. Moron. I didn’t even vote for Trump. I simply have a functional brain, unlike your tediously deranged self.

            1. Silvie1,
              What in HELL does THAT whining have to do with PROOF that you’re a bat-shit crazy bullshitter??

        2. The Deep State has gone off the deep end – whatever they do in service of removing Trump is worthy. Risking, of course, the collapse of the rule of law, as breach of law with impunity by the exalted-of-power leads to contempt for all law.

          Risking:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqReTJkjjg

    7. Here comes this shill again.

  2. FBI sting fail? send in the clowns I mean CIA …

  3. #TrumpUkraine is tied with #TrumpRussia as the biggest scandal in world history. Fortunately — and as I predicted throughout 2018 — we have a #BlueWave Congress that will do its patriotic duty and #Impeach.

    This is the tipping point. The walls are closing in. It’s the beginning of the end.

    1. You realize Russia and the Ukraine are at war with each other, right, shithead?
      And neither has the GDP of New Jersey, thus putting them below the interest level of Trump.

    2. “It’s the beginning of the end.”

      I’ve been hearing that since June of 2016.

      You retards are fucking hilarious. Or pathetic.

  4. The TDS is strong with this one.

    1. Says the whiny pussy.

    2. Oooh he triggered you cry about him more!!!

      1. Says the whiny pussy.

        RIDICULE IS NOT BEING TRIGGERED
        TRIGGERING CREATES WHINY PUSSIES.
        Google it, chump

        1. He’s not the one spamming all-caps and foaming at the mouth. Serious question Hihn, what state do you live in? Geographically I mean, not the constant state of denial.

          1. He lives in Washington, or at least he did at some point in the past. He ran for some functionary state position fifty years ago and came in fourth in a three person race. He’ll tell you all about it if you prod him enough…it was the high point of his life.

            1. Oh, and he’s also a gun grabber. He likes to screech about how Trump is a Nazi but also supports eliminating the ability of citizens to defend themselves against the supposedly tyrannical government of Donald Trump.

              In other words, he’s a pure fucking idiot.

              1. Losers get nasty

                Oh, and he’s also a gun grabber. He likes to screech about how Trump is a Nazi but also supports eliminating the ability of citizens to defend themselves against the supposedly tyrannical government of Donald Trump.

                AND A TOTAL PSYCHO LIAR!

                They travel in a pack, like wild dogs.
                With the same IQ
                Trumpian Thugs

                1. Nobody gives a shit about you, Hihn. You’re so pathetic that you can’t even post under your real name anymore because it has so little credibility.

                  1. PROVE YOUR BULLSHIT, YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT.
                    LOSE ON THE MESSAGE … SHOOT THE MESSENGER … PUNKS.

                    CREDIBILITY IS EARNED … BY CONTENT … NOT BY NAME. (SNORT)

                    WHO BELIEVES THE CHICKENSHIT WHO REFUSES TO PROVE PURELY PERSONAL ATTACKS???

                    ONLY OTHER THUGS. (SNEER)

  5. Since Valerie Plame this is the third known incident of the CIA involved in domestic politics. I thought that was illegal. Given this and the shenanigans to change the rules on hearsay I see no reason for a CIA agent to remain anonymous.

    1. The rules weren’t changed. Trump suckered you again.

      I see no reason for a CIA agent to remain anonymous.

      Typical fascist … and ignorant.
      It’s done to protect whistleblowers. chump, from vindictive assholes like Trump.

      Why do YOU want them punished? We know what Trump is afraid of. What do you want to suppress?

    2. Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

      Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

      1. Hmm…looks like Trump is still president.

        Better luck next time.

        1. How does that erase the crazy-ass fucking lie?
          How is that even remotely relevant to the point?
          COWARDS always create diversions when proven wrong.
          Anything else, Sluggo?

          OH WAIT, YOU SAY “CONSPIRACY,”
          Never mind.

    3. So you also fucked up the Valerie Plame incident?

  6. In this case, the whistleblower did exactly what he was supposed to do. Unlike Daniel Ellsberg of Pentagon Papers fame and Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency contractor who exposed government surveillance of ordinary Americans, both of whom illegally (and heroically for anti-war, anti-surveillance libertarians!) copied classified information and released it publicly, the whistleblower, in this case, did none of those things. He stayed within official channels.

    And if he wasn’t an apple, he’d be an orange!

    1. Telling a lie is apparently okay as long as you do so within official channels and the lie is about the evil Trump!!

      1. There’s a kind of wild-eyed sweaty desperation in the bullshit of Trump supporters these days. Let’s try a calm review, shall we?

        (1) Trump strong-armed a foreign government to serve his personal ends – traded the favor of the United States for private gain – and colluded with another country to influence an election. These are not acceptable actions.

        (2) It was pure quid pro quo just by what we know already, only slightly more subtle than a mafioso boss. And we’ll surely learn more in the coming days about other (sleazy) approaches.

        (3) We’ve been “good” to you; we expect “reciprocal” action; we demand a “favor”. Yet it’s only when Trump get to his demands that the case for impeachment becomes clear.

        (4) First came Crowdstrike. Trump’s former Homeland Security Adviser, Thomas P Bossert, was interviewed on television yesterday about this. He said Trump was briefed on CrowdStrike conspiracy theories several times – both by himself and others. They led DJT step by step thru the evidence which proves those theories false. But evidence or truth wasn’t relevant to Trump’s ends.

        Instead, he walked the Ukrainian President through the narrative, telling Zelensky exactly what he wants parroted. The Ukrainian president then was instructed to work with his (Trump’s) personal attorney to have the story more properly engineered. The CrowdStrike nonsense is bat-shit crazy lunacy; Trump was soliciting a lie.

        (5) Then followed Shokin. Hunter Biden was mentioned only briefly to set the story; everything thereafter was about the prosecutor’s firing. Trump made clear to Zelensky just who he wanted targeted : Joe Biden.

        (6) But it’s only another crude lie. When Biden pressured Ukraine over Shokin he was following the orders of the President, the policy of the State Department, and the aims of the European Union, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund. He was also cheered by every reform group in Ukraine itself, where street protests demanded Shokin’s ouster.

        (7) Over at the National Review, Jonah Goldberg said “the charge that Joe Biden was freelancing foreign policy to protect his son simply doesn’t hold water if you spend five minutes reading up on it. Biden was acting on orders from President Obama in coordination with allies and State Department policy to force the former Russia-backed Ukrainian regime to fire a dirty prosecutor who was failing to properly investigate corruption, including at the firm Hunter Biden worked with.”

        (8) As Goldberg says, Shokin wasn’t even investigating Burisma – (the company that gave Hunter Biden a position on its board). In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky.

        (9) The “Biden was protecting Hunter”meme is lying on a grotesque level. Biden was ordered to pressure Ukraine and was following the directives of the President and State Department.

        (10) Nonetheless, Zelensky was led through another falsehood word by word. It’s the only sure way to suborn perjury.

        (11) So Trump didn’t just strong-arm another nation’s leader to support his reelection, he demanded that leader lie to do so. How can anyone support that?

        1. “There’s a kind of wild-eyed sweaty desperation”

          You mean like creating a “parody” of what actually happened?

        2. Nobody gave a shit about any of this until Trump pointed at Crowdstrike and the Ukraine, and it started coming out that the administration has been poking

          The Australian government even agreed back in May to cooperate with Barr’s investigation.

          Fucking LOL at grb desperately trying to convince us that the intelligence community isn’t trying to cover their ass here. No wonder the Dems recruited so many intel spooks to run for election last year; sounds like some CIA fucks are about to get a helicopter ride.

          1. that should be, and it started coming out that the administration has been poking around how the Mueller investigation actually got started.

          2. CRAZY Red Rocks ALSO swallows that Crowdstrike is owned by a wealthy Ukrainian!!!

            Its’ a US CORPORATION, shares traded on NASDAQ,HQ in California, office outside DC … the super high-tech security firm that uncovered proof it was Russia who hacked the DNC server …. within 24 hours of Trump PUBLICLY ASKING RUSSIA to interfere in THAT election (2016) … Trump later said he would NOT tell the FBI if Russia offered to interfere in our election … later invited Ukraine to interfere in the NEXT election.

            The Crowdstrike Conspiracy is super-wacko for super wackos, as crazy as Pizzagate, Uranian One and Birtherism. THIS lie says Crowdstrike is owned by a rich Ukrainian, was working to help Hillary, and has Hillary’s server hidden in Ukraine … as Trump states in the Ukrainian”transcript” he was stupid enough to release … confirming the psychological collapse he’s been in for nearly a month.

            “BUT AT LEAST HE’S NOT HILLARY” (snorf)

        3. grb
          September.30.2019 at 7:34 pm
          “There’s a kind of wild-eyed sweaty desperation in the bullshit of Trump supporters these days. Let’s try a calm review, shall we?”

          You’re a laugh riot (and a fucking lefty ignoramus) grb.

    2. Someone should link Shikha what the whistleblower regulations actually say and not what she thinks they do. The regulations cover malfeasance solely of the agency the actor is a part of. The office of the president is not under the auspices of the IC.

            1. Lose again? (sneer)

              1. Ahahah look how triggered you are SQRLSY AHAAHAHAHAHA FUCK OFF SLAVER LOLOLLL

                1. Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

                  Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

              2. TheLibertyTruthTeller
                September.30.2019 at 7:59 pm
                “Lose again? (sneer)”

                Fuck off and die, Hihn.

                1. KAPOW!
                  Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

                  Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

          1. Quote the fake news part Jeff you piece of shit. It’s totally you to throw up a link and not actually quote from its vast contents.

            (a)Office of Inspector General of the Intelligence Community
            There is within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence an Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community.

            (b) PurposeThe purpose of the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community is—
            (1) to create an objective and effective office, appropriately accountable to Congress, to initiate and conduct independent investigations, inspections, audits, and reviews on programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence;
            (2) to provide leadership and coordination and recommend policies for activities designed—
            (A) to promote economy, efficiency, and effectiveness in the administration and implementation of such programs and activities; and
            (B) to prevent and detect fraud and abuse in such programs and activities;
            (3) to provide a means for keeping the Director of National Intelligence fully and currently informed about—
            (A) problems and deficiencies relating to the administration of programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence; and
            (B) the necessity for, and the progress of, corrective actions; and
            (4) in the manner prescribed by this section, to ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept similarly informed of—
            (A) significant problems and deficiencies relating to programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence; and
            (B) the necessity for, and the progress of, corrective actions.
            (c) Inspector General of the Intelligence Community
            (1) There is an Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, who shall be the head of the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, who shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
            (2) The nomination of an individual for appointment as Inspector General shall be made—
            (A) without regard to political affiliation;
            (B) on the basis of integrity, compliance with security standards of the intelligence community, and prior experience in the field of intelligence or national security; and
            (C) on the basis of demonstrated ability in accounting, financial analysis, law, management analysis, public administration, or investigations.
            (3) The Inspector General shall report directly to and be under the general supervision of the Director of National Intelligence.
            (4) The Inspector General may be removed from office only by the President. The President shall communicate in writing to the congressional intelligence committees the reasons for the removal not later than 30 days prior to the effective date of such removal. Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to prohibit a personnel action otherwise authorized by law, other than transfer or removal.
            (d) Assistant Inspectors GeneralSubject to the policies of the Director of National Intelligence, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community shall—
            (1) appoint an Assistant Inspector General for Audit who shall have the responsibility for supervising the performance of auditing activities relating to programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director;
            (2) appoint an Assistant Inspector General for Investigations who shall have the responsibility for supervising the performance of investigative activities relating to such programs and activities; and
            (3) appoint other Assistant Inspectors General that, in the judgment of the Inspector General, are necessary to carry out the duties of the Inspector General.
            (e) Duties and responsibilitiesIt shall be the duty and responsibility of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community—
            (1) to provide policy direction for, and to plan, conduct, supervise, and coordinate independently, the investigations, inspections, audits, and reviews relating to programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence;
            (2) to keep the Director of National Intelligence fully and currently informed concerning violations of law and regulations, fraud, and other serious problems, abuses, and deficiencies relating to the programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director, to recommend corrective action concerning such problems, and to report on the progress made in implementing such corrective action;
            (3) to take due regard for the protection of intelligence sources and methods in the preparation of all reports issued by the Inspector General, and, to the extent consistent with the purpose and objective of such reports, take such measures as may be appropriate to minimize the disclosure of intelligence sources and methods described in such reports; and
            (4) in the execution of the duties and responsibilities under this section, to comply with generally accepted government auditing.
            (f) Limitations on activities
            (1) The Director of National Intelligence may prohibit the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community from initiating, carrying out, or completing any investigation, inspection, audit, or review if the Director determines that such prohibition is necessary to protect vital national security interests of the United States.
            (2) Not later than seven days after the date on which the Director exercises the authority under paragraph (1), the Director shall submit to the congressional intelligence committees an appropriately classified statement of the reasons for the exercise of such authority.
            (3) The Director shall advise the Inspector General at the time a statement under paragraph (2) is submitted, and, to the extent consistent with the protection of intelligence sources and methods, provide the Inspector General with a copy of such statement.
            (4) The Inspector General may submit to the congressional intelligence committees any comments on the statement of which the Inspector General has notice under paragraph (3) that the Inspector General considers appropriate.
            (g) Authorities
            (1) The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community shall have direct and prompt access to the Director of National Intelligence when necessary for any purpose pertaining to the performance of the duties of the Inspector General.
            (2)
            (A) The Inspector General shall, subject to the limitations in subsection (f), make such investigations and reports relating to the administration of the programs and activities within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director as are, in the judgment of the Inspector General, necessary or desirable.
            (B) The Inspector General shall have access to any employee, or any employee of a contractor, of any element of the intelligence community needed for the performance of the duties of the Inspector General.
            (C) The Inspector General shall have direct access to all records, reports, audits, reviews, documents, papers, recommendations, or other materials that relate to the programs and activities with respect to which the Inspector General has responsibilities under this section.
            (D) The level of classification or compartmentation of information shall not, in and of itself, provide a sufficient rationale for denying the Inspector General access to any materials under subparagraph (C).
            (E) The Director, or on the recommendation of the Director, another appropriate official of the intelligence community, shall take appropriate administrative actions against an employee, or an employee of a contractor, of an element of the intelligence community that fails to cooperate with the Inspector General. Such administrative action may include loss of employment or the termination of an existing contractual relationship.
            (3) The Inspector General is authorized to receive and investigate, pursuant to subsection (h), complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules, or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety. Once such complaint or information has been received from an employee of the intelligence community—
            (A) the Inspector General shall not disclose the identity of the employee without the consent of the employee, unless the Inspector General determines that such disclosure is unavoidable during the course of the investigation or the disclosure is made to an official of the Department of Justice responsible for determining whether a prosecution should be undertaken, and this provision shall qualify as a withholding statute pursuant to subsection (b)(3) of section 552 of title 5 (commonly known as the “Freedom of Information Act”); and
            (B) no action constituting a reprisal, or threat of reprisal, for making such complaint or disclosing such information to the Inspector General may be taken by any employee in a position to take such actions, unless the complaint was made or the information was disclosed with the knowledge that it was false or with willful disregard for its truth or falsity.
            (4) The Inspector General shall have the authority to administer to or take from any person an oath, affirmation, or affidavit, whenever necessary in the performance of the duties of the Inspector General, which oath, affirmation, or affidavit when administered or taken by or before an employee of the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community designated by the Inspector General shall have the same force and effect as if administered or taken by, or before, an officer having a seal.
            (5)
            (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the Inspector General is authorized to require by subpoena the production of all information, documents, reports, answers, records, accounts, papers, and other data in any medium (including electronically stored information, as well as any tangible thing) and documentary evidence necessary in the performance of the duties and responsibilities of the Inspector General.
            (B) In the case of departments, agencies, and other elements of the United States Government, the Inspector General shall obtain information, documents, reports, answers, records, accounts, papers, and other data and evidence for the purpose specified in subparagraph (A) using procedures other than by subpoenas.
            (C) The Inspector General may not issue a subpoena for, or on behalf of, any component of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence or any element of the intelligence community, including the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
            (D) In the case of contumacy or refusal to obey a subpoena issued under this paragraph, the subpoena shall be enforceable by order of any appropriate district court of the United States.
            (6) The Inspector General may obtain services as authorized by section 3109 of title 5 at rates for individuals not to exceed the daily equivalent of the maximum annual rate of basic pay payable for grade GS–15 of the General Schedule under section 5332 of title 5.
            (7) The Inspector General may, to the extent and in such amounts as may be provided in appropriations, enter into contracts and other arrangements for audits, studies, analyses, and other services with public agencies and with private persons, and to make such payments as may be necessary to carry out the provisions of this section.
            (h) Coordination among Inspectors General
            (1)
            (A) In the event of a matter within the jurisdiction of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community that may be subject to an investigation, inspection, audit, or review by both the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community and an inspector general with oversight responsibility for an element of the intelligence community, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community and such other inspector general shall expeditiously resolve the question of which inspector general shall conduct such investigation, inspection, audit, or review to avoid unnecessary duplication of the activities of the inspectors general.
            (B) In attempting to resolve a question under subparagraph (A), the inspectors general concerned may request the assistance of the Intelligence Community Inspectors General Forum established under paragraph (2). In the event of a dispute between an inspector general within a department or agency of the United States Government and the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community that has not been resolved with the assistance of such Forum, the inspectors general shall submit the question to the Director of National Intelligence and the head of the affected department or agency for resolution.
            (2)
            (A) There is established the Intelligence Community Inspectors General Forum, which shall consist of all statutory or administrative inspectors general with oversight responsibility for an element of the intelligence community.
            (B) The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community shall serve as the Chair of the Forum established under subparagraph (A). The Forum shall have no administrative authority over any inspector general, but shall serve as a mechanism for informing its members of the work of individual members of the Forum that may be of common interest and discussing questions about jurisdiction or access to employees, employees of contract personnel, records, audits, reviews, documents, recommendations, or other materials that may involve or be of assistance to more than one of its members.
            (3) The inspector general conducting an investigation, inspection, audit, or review covered by paragraph (1) shall submit the results of such investigation, inspection, audit, or review to any other inspector general, including the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, with jurisdiction to conduct such investigation, inspection, audit, or review who did not conduct such investigation, inspection, audit, or review.
            (i) Counsel to the Inspector General
            (1) The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community shall—
            (A) appoint a Counsel to the Inspector General who shall report to the Inspector General; or
            (B) obtain the services of a counsel appointed by and directly reporting to another inspector general or the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency on a reimbursable basis.
            (2) The counsel appointed or obtained under paragraph (1) shall perform such functions as the Inspector General may prescribe.
            (j) Staff and other support
            (1) The Director of National Intelligence shall provide the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community with appropriate and adequate office space at central and field office locations, together with such equipment, office supplies, maintenance services, and communications facilities and services as may be necessary for the operation of such offices.
            (2)
            (A) Subject to applicable law and the policies of the Director of National Intelligence, the Inspector General shall select, appoint, and employ such officers and employees as may be necessary to carry out the functions, powers, and duties of the Inspector General. The Inspector General shall ensure that any officer or employee so selected, appointed, or employed has security clearances appropriate for the assigned duties of such officer or employee.
            (B) In making selections under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall ensure that such officers and employees have the requisite training and experience to enable the Inspector General to carry out the duties of the Inspector General effectively.
            (C) In meeting the requirements of this paragraph, the Inspector General shall create within the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community a career cadre of sufficient size to provide appropriate continuity and objectivity needed for the effective performance of the duties of the Inspector General.
            (3) Consistent with budgetary and personnel resources allocated by the Director of National Intelligence, the Inspector General has final approval of—
            (A) the selection of internal and external candidates for employment with the Office of the Inspector General; and
            (B) all other personnel decisions concerning personnel permanently assigned to the Office of the Inspector General, including selection and appointment to the Senior Intelligence Service, but excluding all security-based determinations that are not within the authority of a head of a component of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
            (4)
            (A) Subject to the concurrence of the Director of National Intelligence, the Inspector General may request such information or assistance as may be necessary for carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Inspector General from any Federal, State (as defined in section 3164 of this title), or local governmental agency or unit thereof.
            (B) Upon request of the Inspector General for information or assistance from a department, agency, or element of the Federal Government under subparagraph (A), the head of the department, agency, or element concerned shall, insofar as is practicable and not in contravention of any existing statutory restriction or regulation of the department, agency, or element, furnish to the Inspector General, such information or assistance.
            (C) The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community may, upon reasonable notice to the head of any element of the intelligence community and in coordination with that element’s inspector general pursuant to subsection (h), conduct, as authorized by this section, an investigation, inspection, audit, or review of such element and may enter into any place occupied by such element for purposes of the performance of the duties of the Inspector General.
            (k) Reports
            (1)
            (A) The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community shall, not later than October 31 and April 30 of each year, prepare and submit to the Director of National Intelligence a classified, and, as appropriate, unclassified semiannual report summarizing the activities of the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community during the immediately preceding 6-month period ending September 30 and March 31, respectively. The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community shall provide any portion of the report involving a component of a department of the United States Government to the head of that department simultaneously with submission of the report to the Director of National Intelligence.
            (B) Each report under this paragraph shall include, at a minimum, the following:
            (i) A list of the title or subject of each investigation, inspection, audit, or review conducted during the period covered by such report.
            (ii) A description of significant problems, abuses, and deficiencies relating to the administration of programs and activities of the intelligence community within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence, and in the relationships between elements of the intelligence community, identified by the Inspector General during the period covered by such report.
            (iii) A description of the recommendations for corrective action made by the Inspector General during the period covered by such report with respect to significant problems, abuses, or deficiencies identified in clause (ii).
            (iv) A statement of whether or not corrective action has been completed on each significant recommendation described in previous semiannual reports, and, in a case where corrective action has been completed, a description of such corrective action.
            (v) A certification of whether or not the Inspector General has had full and direct access to all information relevant to the performance of the functions of the Inspector General.
            (vi) A description of the exercise of the subpoena authority under subsection (g)(5) by the Inspector General during the period covered by such report.
            (vii) Such recommendations as the Inspector General considers appropriate for legislation to promote economy, efficiency, and effectiveness in the administration and implementation of programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence, and to detect and eliminate fraud and abuse in such programs and activities.
            (C) Not later than 30 days after the date of receipt of a report under subparagraph (A), the Director shall transmit the report to the congressional intelligence committees together with any comments the Director considers appropriate. The Director shall transmit to the committees of the Senate and of the House of Representatives with jurisdiction over a department of the United States Government any portion of the report involving a component of such department simultaneously with submission of the report to the congressional intelligence committees.
            (2)
            (A) The Inspector General shall report immediately to the Director whenever the Inspector General becomes aware of particularly serious or flagrant problems, abuses, or deficiencies relating to programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence.
            (B) The Director shall transmit to the congressional intelligence committees each report under subparagraph (A) within 7 calendar days of receipt of such report, together with such comments as the Director considers appropriate. The Director shall transmit to the committees of the Senate and of the House of Representatives with jurisdiction over a department of the United States Government any portion of each report under subparagraph (A) that involves a problem, abuse, or deficiency related to a component of such department simultaneously with transmission of the report to the congressional intelligence committees.
            (3)
            (A) In the event that—
            (i) the Inspector General is unable to resolve any differences with the Director affecting the execution of the duties or responsibilities of the Inspector General;
            (ii) an investigation, inspection, audit, or review carried out by the Inspector General focuses on any current or former intelligence community official who—
            (I) holds or held a position in an element of the intelligence community that is subject to appointment by the President, whether or not by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, including such a position held on an acting basis;
            (II) holds or held a position in an element of the intelligence community, including a position held on an acting basis, that is appointed by the Director of National Intelligence; or
            (III) holds or held a position as head of an element of the intelligence community or a position covered by subsection (b) or (c) of section 3041 of this title;
            (iii) a matter requires a report by the Inspector General to the Department of Justice on possible criminal conduct by a current or former official described in clause (ii);
            (iv) the Inspector General receives notice from the Department of Justice declining or approving prosecution of possible criminal conduct of any current or former official described in clause (ii); or
            (v) the Inspector General, after exhausting all possible alternatives, is unable to obtain significant documentary information in the course of an investigation, inspection, audit, or review,
            the Inspector General shall immediately notify, and submit a report to, the congressional intelligence committees on such matter.
            (B) The Inspector General shall submit to the committees of the Senate and of the House of Representatives with jurisdiction over a department of the United States Government any portion of each report under subparagraph (A) that involves an investigation, inspection, audit, or review carried out by the Inspector General focused on any current or former official of a component of such department simultaneously with submission of the report to the congressional intelligence committees.
            (4) The Director shall submit to the congressional intelligence committees any report or findings and recommendations of an investigation, inspection, audit, or review conducted by the office which has been requested by the Chairman or Vice Chairman or ranking minority member of either committee.
            (5)
            (A) An employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report such complaint or information to the Inspector General.
            (B) Not later than the end of the 14-calendar-day period beginning on the date of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. Upon making such a determination, the Inspector General shall transmit to the Director a notice of that determination, together with the complaint or information.
            (C) Upon receipt of a transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), the Director shall, within 7 calendar days of such receipt, forward such transmittal to the congressional intelligence committees, together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
            (D)
            (i) If the Inspector General does not find credible under subparagraph (B) a complaint or information submitted under subparagraph (A), or does not transmit the complaint or information to the Director in accurate form under subparagraph (B), the employee (subject to clause (ii)) may submit the complaint or information to Congress by contacting either or both of the congressional intelligence committees directly.
            (ii) An employee may contact the congressional intelligence committees directly as described in clause (i) only if the employee—
            (I) before making such a contact, furnishes to the Director, through the Inspector General, a statement of the employee’s complaint or information and notice of the employee’s intent to contact the congressional intelligence committees directly; and
            (II) obtains and follows from the Director, through the Inspector General, direction on how to contact the congressional intelligence committees in accordance with appropriate security practices.
            (iii) A member or employee of one of the congressional intelligence committees who receives a complaint or information under this subparagraph does so in that member or employee’s official capacity as a member or employee of such committee.
            (E) The Inspector General shall notify an employee who reports a complaint or information to the Inspector General under this paragraph of each action taken under this paragraph with respect to the complaint or information. Such notice shall be provided not later than 3 days after any such action is taken.
            (F) An action taken by the Director or the Inspector General under this paragraph shall not be subject to judicial review.
            (G) In this paragraph, the term “urgent concern” means any of the following:
            (i) A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters.
            (ii) A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.
            (iii) An action, including a personnel action described in section 2302(a)(2)(A) of title 5, constituting reprisal or threat of reprisal prohibited under subsection (g)(3)(B) of this section in response to an employee’s reporting an urgent concern in accordance with this paragraph.
            (H) Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the protections afforded to an employee under section 3517(d) of this title or section 8H of the Inspector General Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. App.).
            (I) An individual who has submitted a complaint or information to the Inspector General under this section may notify any member of either of the congressional intelligence committees, or a staff member of either of such committees, of the fact that such individual has made a submission to the Inspector General, and of the date on which such submission was made.
            (6) In accordance with section 535 of title 28, the Inspector General shall expeditiously report to the Attorney General any information, allegation, or complaint received by the Inspector General relating to violations of Federal criminal law that involves [1] a program or operation of an element of the intelligence community, or in the relationships between the elements of the intelligence community, consistent with such guidelines as may be issued by the Attorney General pursuant to subsection (b)(2) of such section. A copy of each such report shall be furnished to the Director.
            (l) Construction of duties regarding elements of Intelligence Community
            Except as resolved pursuant to subsection (h), the performance by the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community of any duty, responsibility, or function regarding an element of the intelligence community shall not be construed to modify or affect the duties and responsibilities of any other inspector general having duties and responsibilities relating to such element.

            (m) Separate budget account
            The Director of National Intelligence shall, in accordance with procedures issued by the Director in consultation with the congressional intelligence committees, include in the National Intelligence Program budget a separate account for the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community.

            (n) Budget
            (1) For each fiscal year, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community shall transmit a budget estimate and request to the Director of National Intelligence that specifies for such fiscal year—
            (A) the aggregate amount requested for the operations of the Inspector General;
            (B) the amount requested for all training requirements of the Inspector General, including a certification from the Inspector General that the amount requested is sufficient to fund all training requirements for the Office of the Inspector General; and
            (C) the amount requested to support the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency, including a justification for such amount.
            (2) In transmitting a proposed budget to the President for a fiscal year, the Director of National Intelligence shall include for such fiscal year—
            (A) the aggregate amount requested for the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community;
            (B) the amount requested for Inspector General training;
            (C) the amount requested to support the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency; and
            (D) the comments of the Inspector General, if any, with respect to such proposed budget.
            (3) The Director of National Intelligence shall submit to the congressional intelligence committees, the Committee on Appropriations of the Senate, and the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives for each fiscal year—
            (A) a separate statement of the budget estimate transmitted pursuant to paragraph (1);
            (B) the amount requested by the Director for the Inspector General pursuant to paragraph (2)(A);
            (C) the amount requested by the Director for the training of personnel of the Office of the Inspector General pursuant to paragraph (2)(B);
            (D) the amount requested by the Director for support for the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency pursuant to paragraph (2)(C); and
            (E) the comments of the Inspector General under paragraph (2)(D), if any, on the amounts requested pursuant to paragraph (2), including whether such amounts would substantially inhibit the Inspector General from performing the duties of the Office of the Inspector General.
            (o) Information on website
            (1) The Director of National Intelligence shall establish and maintain on the homepage of the publicly accessible website of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence information relating to the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community including methods to contact the Inspector General.
            (2) The information referred to in paragraph (1) shall be obvious and facilitate accessibility to the information related to the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community.
            (July 26, 1947, ch. 343, title I, § 103H, as added Pub. L. 111–259, title IV, § 405(a)(1), Oct. 7, 2010, 124 Stat. 2709; amended Pub. L. 112–87, title IV, § 403, Jan. 3, 2012, 125 Stat. 1888; Pub. L. 112–277, title III, § 309(a), Jan. 14, 2013, 126 Stat. 2474; Pub. L. 113–126, title III, § 304, title VI, § 603(c), July 7, 2014, 128 Stat. 1395, 1421; Pub. L. 114–113, div. M, title III, § 303, Dec. 18, 2015, 129 Stat. 2913.)

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            1. “.” = period, Mary is having her period! Being entirely TOOOO lazy to write down HER thoughts… IF she has any!… She spews the encyclopedia at us! Or is that perhaps her encycloperiod?

              1. Um, it’s his encyclopedia actually slaver. It’s the link he posted.

                Wow, now you look super stupid. Slaver.

                1. I mean, God, what a total idiot you look Whihny slaver.

                  1. I mean, I say it RIGHT THERE how can you be so dumb slaver.

                    1. I don’t understand how he could be so stupid lololo he just keeps giving me ammunition. What a stupid slaver.

                    2. Mary, get a bigger cunt-rag! You’re bleeding cunt-blood all over the place! Cleanup on aisle #666-bitch ASAP please!

                    3. He was right though, it wasn’t his encyclopedia it was from the link. Does that really trigger you this badly? No never mind I don’t care.

                    4. Ahahah he knows I was right, what do you think set off his Whihnsanity in this thread lololol

            2. Fucksticks NEVER provide a linkl.. and lie about the content.
              The whiny pussies cannot do anything but rant and rave.
              Trump is gone.

              1. Lie about the content of what if they never provide a link?

                1. Ahahaah he’s so triggered he can’t even make sense ahahahahah

              2. Fucksticks NEVER provide a linkl.. and lie about the content.

                Dumbfuck Hihnsano knows all about lying what’s in the links he posts.

                1. Fucksticks NEVER provide a link

                  So THREE genius fucksticks prove me correct!

                  Plus all the times I posted links here.

                  DUH.

          2. Thanks for backing up the federalist article dumbass. Try reading your link next time.

            1. Where in the law does it say only first-hand knowledge may be reported?

              1. Where did anyone but you claim that was required?

                Ahahahaha FUCK YOU I WIN AND IT’S HERE FOREVER AHAHAHAHAJA

                1. Sean Davis wrote Friday about a secret update to the intelligence community inspector general’s “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” complaint intake form. It revamped the procedure to allow hearsay complaints, while prior versions of the form had included an admonishment that the IC IG could not find a complaint credible without “reliable, first-hand information.”

                  THAT is the claim, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT “reported” YOU STUPID FUCK

        1. Yeah, that is fake. The law never required only first-hand knowledge before filing a complaint.

          Here is the form from May 2018:

          https://www.scribd.com/document/427767481/Icwpa-Form-401-24may18

          See page 5 of this form.


          1.I know about the information I am disclosing here based on (check all that apply):

          I have personal and/or direct knowledge of events or records involved

          Other employees have told me about events or records involved

          Other source(s)
          (please explain)

          1. IC IG

            ICWSPUrgent Concern Disclosure Form
            Page ii
            IC IG ICWSP Form 401 Rev: 24MAY18
            FIRST-HAND INFORMATION REQUIRED
            In order to find an urgent concern
            “credible
            ,

            the IC IG must be in possession of reliable, first-hand information. The
            IC IG cannot transmit information via the ICWPA based on an employee’s second
            -hand knowledge of wrongdoing.This includes information received from another person, such as when a fellow employee informs you that he/shewitnessed some type of wrongdoing
            . (Anyone with first-hand knowledge of the allegations may file a disclosure inwriting directly with IC IG.) Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide sufficientlegal basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you think that wrongdoing took place, but canprovide nothing more than second-hand or unsubstantiated assertions, IC IG will not be able to process thecomplaint or information for submission as an ICWPA

            That’s FROM YOUR LINK AHAHAHAHAHAHAHJ

            YOU FUCKING BLITHERING RETARD TOU DIDNT READ YOUR OWN SOURCE AHAHAHAHAHHAH WHAT A GOD DAMNED MORON AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

            WATCH JEFF SPIN LIKE A FUCKING GYROSCOPE AHAHAHAHAH

            Oh and page 5?

            It doesnt say anything like you claimed ahahahaha you lose bitch ahahahahahahah
            It ASKS IF OTHER EMPLOYESS HAVE TOLD YOU SO IT CAN DISMISS YOUR CLAIMS IT NEVER SAYS THAT SECOND HAND INFO IS OK AHAHHAAHAHAHAHA

            IC IG ICWSP Form 401 Rev:
            24
            MAY18
            IC IG – ICWSPUrgent Concern Disclosure Form
            Page 3
            Part 2: Details of Your Disclosure
            1.I know about the information I am disclosing here based on (check all that apply):

            I have personal and/or direct knowledge of events or records involved

            Other employees have told me about eventsor records involved

            Other source(s)
            (please expl

            YOU TOTLLY FUCKED UP IDIOT AHAHAHAHAJ. OU DIDNT READ HE INTRO AND THOUGHT IT MEANT THAT 2ND HAND INFO WAS OK AHAHAAHAJAJ YOU NEVER READ YOUR OWN SOURCES YOU FUCKING MORON AHAAJAJAJAJAJAAAJ

            1. I CANNOT WAIT to see the STUPID fucking contortions this is going to elicit from the SOCK LOLOLOLO

              “THE FORM SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEARER” AHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHJA

            2. Oh I read the whole thing.
              (You’re going to say “no you didn’t”. That is because you have a habit of gaslighting.)

              The old form permits submissions that rely on second-hand information.

              The preface says that the ICIG must be in possession of first-hand information. Not that the whistleblower must be the one to deliver it.

              It’s the ICIG’s job to investigate for a period of time to uncover whatever first-hand information he/she can and then deem the report “credible” if he/she is successful.

              You helpfully quoted the entire law above. All can see how there is nothing in the law that requires only first-hand info before submitting a complaint. On the contrary, it’s the ICIG’s job to investigate it and come up with that first-hand info if he/she can. Here is the relevant section of the law that you yourself quoted:

              (5)
              (A) An employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report such complaint or information to the Inspector General.
              (B) Not later than the end of the 14-calendar-day period beginning on the date of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. Upon making such a determination, the Inspector General shall transmit to the Director a notice of that determination, together with the complaint or information.
              (C) Upon receipt of a transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), the Director shall, within 7 calendar days of such receipt, forward such transmittal to the congressional intelligence committees, together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.

              Nothing there says that the report must only contain “first hand information”.

              Also in the law that you yourself quoted, it was last amended in 2015. So, not exactly changing the rules in order to “get Trump”.

              1. Um, you’re the only one talking about the rules for making a complaint. It’s telling that you know hat is actually being asked, and that it makes your side look stupid, so you find something ELSE to claim instead. Because you know the rules WERE changed for FIDING A COMPALINT CREDIBLE and that makes, your side looks like scum.

                Because you kill strawmen.

                Thank you SOOOOO MUCH for this magnificent win at your expense.

                1. Because you know the rules WERE changed

                  The law was last amended in 2015.

                  And once again. Nothing in the law that you cited requires first-hand info on the part of the whistleblower in order to have a valid complaint. Nothing.

                  1. Who said it did you fuck, the discussion is that it requires first hand knowledge to be ACCEPTED AS CREDIBLE you sad goalpost shifting loser NO ONE CARES THAT YOU CAN TURN IT IN YOU INSIPID CLOWN Ahahahaha kill that straw man, we can all see you were wrong LOLOLOOL keep pretending you don’t know it lololoo

                    1. Shorter Jeff “the law allows 2nd hand observers to put it in the box like anyone else”

                      Ahahahahahahah aha NO ONE SAID OTHERWISE AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAJ

                      WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIM AHAJHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH THATS WHY ACE BANNED HIM AHAHAAHJA

            3. And, just so everyone knows, Tulpa likened conversations here as akin to “Thunderdome”. So I don’t expect Tulpa to answer honestly or fairly or in good faith.

              I’m mainly responding just to give clarity to others who are reading. Not because I really care what Tulpa’s opinion on any matter is, because I don’t. Tulpa belongs in a group home under constant supervision and heavy medication.

              1. You think everyone can’t see you moving the goalposts and killjng strawmen with “complaint” when the discussion is “the rules were changed to accept it as credible?”

                You think that low rent diversion will work you sad fuck?

                No, of course not. That’s why you make it about me and complain because you get bruised.

                YOUR OWN SOURCE PROVED YOUR SIDE WRONG AHAHAHHAJAJAJAJA

                GO AHEAD. LIE ALL NIGHT AGAIN I’M GAME.

                1. You think everyone can’t see…

                  There’s your gaslighting again. Presenting as fact what is instead your conjecture.

                  But I’ve made my point for everyone to see. I know how this proceeds: you getting more and more unhinged, with various use of ALL CAPS and sockpuppets and gaslighting and goalpost moving and outright lies, because hey, this is “Thunderdome”, right?

                  I don’t expect to change your mind, or John’s mind, or Jesse’s mind, or the mind of any of the other right-wing bootlickers around here. Simply pointing out what the law actually says, and what the form actually says.

                  I’ll let you have the last word, because I can’t prevent you from having the last word anyway, since you’re clearly off your meds again and probably going to go on a 12-hour binge of shitposting and trolling before collapsing in a pile of sweaty exhaustion.

                  Get help Tulpa.

                  1. “But I’ve made my point for everyone to see”

                    That’s you’re a mendacious lying piece of garbage who I own? Yes you have. That yiu kill claims no kne made? Yes you did.

                    “Get help Tulpa”

                    More than you gave tonight by making a fool of yourself and losing? Nah that’s gilding the Lilly ahahahajaajajaj

                    NO ONE IS DISCUSSING WHAT IT TAKES FOR A SECRETARY TO ACCEPT THE CLAIM YOU SAD OBVIOUSLY EMBARRASSED FUCK LOLOLOOL

                    1. Tulpa has become Hinh. This is a lovely development.

                    2. The Hihn Conspiracy is only part of the VAST conspiracy against gclancy51 and his fellow Trumptards … EVERY time they are PROVEN crazy,

              2. “…I’m mainly responding just to give clarity to others who are reading…”

                No, you’re lying and pitching the TDS views. Don’t bother claiming otherwise; no one ever bought your halo-waving.

                1. He’s fogging things up with claims no one here made because he looks stupid and wrong.

                  Just like you said Sevo.

                2. And you, Sevo, need to get out more. Stop being such a grumpy old man.

                  1. NO ONE IS DISCUSSING WHAT IT TAKES FOR A SECRETARY TO ACCEPT THE CLAIM YOU SAD OBVIOUSLY EMBARRASSED FUCK LOLOLOOL WHY DO YU ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS RESORT TO LYING AND STRAW MEN LOLOLOL

                  2. “And you, Sevo, need to get out more. Stop being such a grumpy old man.”

                    Did your mommy say that was clever?
                    You, Jeff, need to get out more, quit changing the subject, and quit being a fucking ignoramus.
                    Are you angry about being called on bullshit yet one more time? Quit bullshitting and it won’t happen.

          2. Jesus fucking christ Jeff. Try reading a link for once. It had nothing to do with firet hand reporting you dumb piece of shit.

            1. He’s hiding behind a claim no one made about “complaint” when the discussion was “accepted as credible.”

              1. I mean..
                Fuck HIS OWN LINK PROVES THE COMPLAINT IS NOT CREDIBLE FROM JUMP LOLOLOOOL

        2. Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

          Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

  7. Dalmia is the best stripper in the joint when it comes to click bait.

    1. I think most people are wise to her.

  8. Partisans of this permanent, un-elected, all-powerful administrative state are looking for every way to undermine and smear the duly elected president.

    1. ANOTHER whiny goober says the Founders were WRONG to provide for impeachment in our Constitution! OMFG.

      to undermine and smear the duly elected president.

      Elected PRESIDENT, not emperor. You disgrace our Constitution, as badly as he does.

  9. Yo Shikha,
    A “whistleblower” is someone that has information that they can prove. It’s someone on the inside that knows something. What we have here is gossip, Trump released the phone call, the media threw out all but 540 words, and that’s what you’re going on.
    The premise of your entire article is based on “I feel Trump was pressuring someone.”
    You are bad at your job.

    1. YOU’RE FULL OF SHIT, PUPPET-DANCING-ON-A-STRING.
      THE INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATED THE EVIDENCE AND FOUND IT CREDIBLE AND TROUBLESOME. ALL SUPPRESSED BY YOUR FOX NEWS. SO YOUR BLUNDER IS BOTH A LIE AND IGNORANT OF THE PROCESS.

      The premise of your entire article is based on “I feel Trump was pressuring someone.”

      Find a 12-year-old to read and explain it for you. Or … read it yourself!

  10. Calling this person a whistleblower os.the height of ignorance. He fails almost every requirement of an actual whistleblower. second hand information. Mere policy disagreement. Issue with an action outside of his agency (president is not under the IC).

    Must me twist words to make idiotic points like Shikha? Absent from shikhas analysis is any actual legal analysis. We get it, you dont like Trump.

    1. No requirement for first hand knowledge for whistle blower status. Just read the law, dude.
      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

      1. And for the second time, quote it. That’s a huge law. Find it and prove your case. No excuses please.

      2. And by the way, there isn’t one NOW. Which is the whole point. So is that cite frome before the change or after?

        1. Where’d you go jeff? You fuckng bitch.

          1. How many whiny Trumptards say the Intel Inspector General … and the director of National Intelligence … don’t know what a whistleblower is … but semi-literate goobers DO know.

            NOBODY could INVENT anything so crazy!

      3. “No requirement for first hand knowledge for whistle blower status. Just read the law, dude.
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

        Care to cite the relevant parts?
        Do so, or STFU, asshole.

        1. (sneer)
          Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

          Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

    2. After the transcript and reporting from the last few days, whining about the whistleblower seems a bit like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic: More therapeutic than useful to any real end.

      1. You’re right, your case is like the titanic. You probably should stop whinjng about the whistleblower.

        Meanwhile, bringing up that the reporting rules were changed is fine.

        1. Hey psycho!
          Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

          Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

  11. They are more worthy of banana republics led by authoritarian rulers who have contempt for any law that holds them accountable.

    Just out of curiosity, which of our humble public servants in Washington do you know who don’t believe that they’re above the law? By that criterion, we’ve been a banana republic for at least as long as I’ve been alive.

  12. ORANGE MAN BAD

    1. Actually, a psycho.

      1. Why are you introducing yourself SQRLSY?

      2. TheLibertyTruthTeller
        September.30.2019 at 8:04 pm
        “Actually, a psycho.”

        As claimed by a fucking lefty ignoramus.

    2. Orange Man bad?!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!

      We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!
      See theatlantic.com and search for below search-string as title…

      “The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet”

      He pussy-grab His creditors in 7 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me reality schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!
      All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!

      Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!

      1. Ahahahah I totally broke you Whihny ahhaahhahahaahahha

  13. “Actually, a psycho.”

    That’s not the case. A psychopath wouldn’t have paid Stormy Daniels off. He would have gutted her and molested the corpse. She’s still walking around with a sense of shame and her organs intact.
    Buffoon? Probably.

    1. THIS goober doesn’t know hat a psychopath is!.
      A TOTAL lack of conscience, incapable of feeling guilt, thus NEVER apologizes.

      Go ahead, now make a bigger fool of yourself.

  14. All of you, stop for a minute; we’re doing shots. Salud! Ok, back to whatever.

    1. Point of order?

      It’s about 9:30 the next morning, and I’m just reading this now. Do I need to still follow along or can I defer the shot(s) until later?

      I mean, I don’t want to be impolite or anything, but I do need to be productive at some point this morning.

      1. 9:30? You were supposed to be catching up.

  15. Trump, Not the Whistleblower, Has Acted Illegally

    OK, TEAM GOP, ITS TIME TO GO TO CIVIL WAR!!! YAAAAWWWWPPPP!!!!

    1. Dont you have some children to molest and then liquidate Shreek?

      1. (smirk)
        Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

        Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

  16. CBS News released a survey on Sunday that had 55% of respondents in favor of the opening of the impeachment inquiry, while 45% were not. That survey was conducted Sept. 26-27.

    #THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN
    #IT’S MUELLER TIME

    1. “CBS News released a survey”
      AHAHAHAHAAH HE STILL BELIEVES SURVEYS!!! AND CBS AHAHAJAJJAAJ

      #THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN
      #IT’S MUELLER TIME

      “I’ll take ‘Things Democrats said that they look stupid for’… for 1000 Alex”

      AHAHAHAH YOU’LL GET HIM THIS TIME SHREEK AHAHAHAAJ

    2. “#THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN
      #IT’S MUELLER TIME”

      You’re laugh riot!
      S/he’ll be here all week! Please tip the waitstaff regardless of his/her quality. They had nothing to do with it.

  17. “They have questioned the whistleblower’s motives and integrity. And they have speculated that he or she is part of a deep state conspiracy to take down President Donald Trump.”

    Questioning the motives and integrity of unnamed sources in the CIA is entirely reasonable, and yet that isn’t even necessary when the information in the transcript of the phone call contradicts the whistleblower’s allegations.

    If the fact is that there was no quid pro quo in the transcript when the whistleblower said there was one, then that alone is a perfectly valid reason to question the motives and integrity of the whistleblower–regardless of whether he or she is an unnamed source in the CIA.

    Meanwhile, when unnamed sources in the CIA are making allegations that are being cited as cause for impeaching Trump, it isn’t unreasonable to suspect that it might be part of a “deep state” attempt to take down Donald Trump. After all, that is what is happening: unnamed sources in the CIA are making allegations aimed at taking down Donald Trump. Why pretend otherwise?

    1. How would we know Ken? Did you hear the call?

      No, you read a small MEMO of it drafted by the people around the president himself. Even that sanitized version is BS.

      God you people are so short of brains you couldn’t qualify for lemmings.

      1. No. You got a transcript we’ve been over this.

        transcribe verb
        tran·​scribe | \ tran(t)-ˈskrīb \
        transcribed; transcribing
        Definition of transcribe
        transitive verb

        1a: to make a written copy of
        b: to make a copy of (dictated or recorded matter) in longhand or on a machine (such as a typewriter)
        c: to paraphrase or summarize in writing
        d: WRITE DOWN, RECORD

        You look extremly stupid when you lie and can’t even do that properly.

          1. Another Trumptard fuckup! Trump SAID he would provide a ful, non-redacted transcript.,

            It’s CALLED a Summary, and says THIS on Page One.

            https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-transcript-read-ukraine-president-phone-call-transcript-pdf-released-today-joe-biden-crowdstrike-2019-09-25/

            CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty “Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A numper of factors can affect ‘the accuracy of the recod,including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word “inaudible” is used to indifate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.

            We KNOW it’s bullshit if SEVO believes it. (sneer)

            (flush)

      2. wearingit
        September.30.2019 at 9:29 pm
        “How would we know Ken? Did you hear the call?”

        Are you really interested in proving what a fucking ignoramus you are?

        1. Are you really interested in proving what a fucking ignoramus you are?

          Just above … PROOF jammed up your sorry ass,
          As always.

    2. “Questioning the motives and integrity of unnamed sources in the CIA is entirely reasonable”

      Since when? Even if it is just someone accusing someone of sexual assault with no evidence. Their claim is evidence enough which means the source is more than legit. When it comes to something massive like the president then all claims must be true and those making the claims are noble people. Even peeing on hookers. Good people made that claim.
      Haven’t you figured this out yet?

      1. That’s why an Inspector General reviews the evidence and interviews any name witnesses … while your keep your head jammed up your ass, like EVERY whiny Trumptard,

      2. No. Taking the claims of unnamed sources at the CIA with a grain of salt is always warranted. As always, the question is whether the CIA’s claims are in harmony with the available evidence–and in this case, the claims of the whistleblower were contradicted by the transcript of the phone call.

        Even without that transcript, the CIA is a clandestine organization shrouded in secrecy, and they engage in covert operations. Using subterfuge is their standard operating procedure. What they say isn’t necessarily false just because they said it, but because their entire organization is committed to concealment and deception, their claims alone would be insufficient to justify removing an elected president from office without evidence to confirm their claims.

        In this situation, we have evidence regarding their claims, and all the evidence we’ve seen so far–the transcript of the phone call–has contradicted their claims rather than confirmed them.

        It appears that your desire to see Trump impeached is such that it makes you believe an accusation of an unnamed source at the CIA, even after that claim has been shown to contradict the evidence in the form of the call transcript. Of course, just because your irrationality has an explanation doesn’t make it any less irrational.

        1. Sarc meter needing repair?

  18. “That’s why, argues The Volokh Conspiracy’s Ilya Somin, to the extent that Trump threatened to withhold congressionally authorized aid to Ukraine until President Volodymyr Zelenskiy promised to dig up dirt on Trump’s political opponent, he basically demanded an in-kind political contribution”

    To the extent that Trump’s nephew is a chimpanzee, Trump is a monkey’s uncle. However, I haven’t seen any evidence that Trump’s nephew is a chimp, and, likewise, I haven’t seen any evidence that Trump threatened to withhold aid from the Ukraine unless the president dug up dirt on Biden.

    Here’s the link to the transcript.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html

    Show me where Trump, “threatened to withhold congressionally authorized aid to Ukraine until President Volodymyr Zelenskiy promised to dig up dirt on Trump’s political opponent”.

    I accuse you of making shit up. Go ahead. Quote where Trump did what you said he did. I dare you.

    1. Here’s a link to Joe Biden bragging about doing what you’re falsely accusing Trump of doing–and there’s no need for a whistleblower.
      You can hear it straight from Biden’s own mouth at 1:20 in this video:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4

      1. Jesus wtf was that? Anyways, Dalmia is just another progressive in libertarian clothing. She voted for HRC, she parrots the left’s lies about illegal immigration, and she’s generally just dishonest in her writings.

        1. Boy, that’s a whole mess of BS you got there Denver. Amazing you can spill that all out onto the keyboard.

          1. Wait wait wait youre stanning for….DALMIA?

            AHHAAHAHAJAHAHAHAHAHAH YOURE MORE PATHETIC THAN whihn ahahahahahahahaahahahaahahahahahajaaj

          2. Yeah? Which part was BS?

        2. Wasn’t there a Libertarian up for president in 2016?
          Why would a libertarian writer not vote for the Libertarian candidate?

          1. There are plenty of libertarians who don’t believe that the purpose of libertarianism is to seize the reigns of power to inflict libertarianism on the unwilling using the coercive power of government.

            There are even libertarians who think that our participation in elections is used by the government to legitimize the horrible shit the government wants to do to us and, thus, that by participating in elections, we’re carrying water for authoritarian socialists, whether we realize it or not.

            There are libertarians who think that the only way we’re likely to have influence on politics is if one of two major parties embrace our ideas, and they’ll typically try to get their fellow libertarians to support the more libertarian capitalist candidate of the two–which hasn’t been a Democrat since at least before Barack Obama.

            Also, there are people who write for libertarian magazines about libertarian ideas but aren’t libertarians just like there are people who write for auto magazines about cars but aren’t automobiles.

      2. KEN SCHULTZ CRAZY BULLSHIT AGAIN!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=RpQZ0e-Ux7w
        “I remember going over (to Ukraine), convincing our team … that we should be providing for loan guarantees. … And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from (then Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko) and from (then-Prime Minister Arseniy) Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor (Shokin). And they didn’t. .

        CAUGHT RED-HANDED!

        COMPARE …. SEE THE PARTS FALSELY EDITED BY SCHULTZ’S RUSSIAN SOURCE …. RUSSIAN SOURCE,… RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE …

        Shame on you, Ken

        1. Right but you’re a slaver who eats shit and is super triggered.

          1. Trumptard … faced with absolute proof ,.. GOES WHINEY PUSSY AGAIN. (snort)

            Why are they ALL so TERRIFIED by proof?
            Especially the-coward-with-no-name.

            1. Right but you’re a slaver who eats shit and is super triggered

              1. Trumptard … faced with absolute proof ,.. GOES WHINEY PUSSY AGAIN. (snort)
                Why are they ALL so TERRIFIED by proof?
                Especially the-coward-with-no-name?

                The proof is posted and linked here. Loser is trying to bury it.
                https://reason.com/2019/09/30/trump-not-the-whistleblower-has-acted-illegally/#comment-7952553

        2. “RUSSIAN SOURCE …. RUSSIAN SOURCE,… RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … ”

          We can hope TDS is fatal.

        3. You link to a video of Biden shaking down the Ukrainians to prove that he didn’t really shake down the Ukrainians?

          Doesn’t anybody else understand what’s being alleged here?

    2. Sikka is just another

  19. You’re right but don’t let the fascists here hear it. They’re already trying to burn you at the stake with their stupidity.

  20. Well, if this whole affair persuades rank-and-file Republicans to question their support for the surveillance state in general, then that would be a silver lining in this whole sad mess.

    1. Fuck off you sad pathetic sockpuppet.

      1. SO manly and adult! (swoon)

        1. Right but you’re a slaver who eats shit and is super triggered SQRLSY LOLOLO

      2. Oh look who is awake and off his meds again.

        1. No one cares about your nap or mental issues.

          Is that why you stupidly fucked up and gave me a huge win you fucking buffoon ahahahahahahaj

    2. chemjeff radical individualist
      September.30.2019 at 9:28 pm
      “Well, if this whole affair persuades rank-and-file Republicans to question their support for the surveillance state in general, then that would be a silver lining in this whole sad mess.”

      Well, if Jeff and his idiot compatriots had brains, they might have accepted that they LOST, losers.
      And the adults might not have to deal with them.

  21. Except he isn’t a whistleblower the DOJ said Trump isn’t a member of the intelligence community so he can’t have the whistle blown on him by this person. I call them The Gossip.

    1. That’s as crazy as anything Trump says

      WHISTLEBLOWERS ARE PROTECTED FOR CALLING OUT
      Anyone
      At any level
      In all three branches of government.

      Trumptards are SCARED SHITLESS, just like Trump.

      You also LIED about the DOJ.

      1. Right but you’re a slaver who eats shit and is super triggered

      2. The law literally limits it to those in the agency idiot. God damn you people are dumb.

        1. Shorter Jeff “but but but you CAN STILL TURN IT IN SO….
          SOMETHING!! TRUMPENDUMPERGASLIGHTINGIWASNTWRONG!!!”

        2. Like all your other PROVEN bullshit?

  22. Ridiculing Trump has NEVER been more FUN!

    Intelligence community watchdog debunks whistleblower conspiracy pushed by Trump and other Republicans

    The intelligence community inspector general is forcefully pushing back against assertions made by President Donald Trump and several Republican lawmakers about the whistleblower complaint that has rocked Washington.

    In a rare statement released Monday, the inspector general addressed a false claim pushed by Trump and some of his allies on Capitol Hill, including House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy of California and Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, that the whistleblower lacked firsthand knowledge of the conduct outlined in the complaint and therefore the allegations were based on “hearsay.” But the statement from the inspector general made clear that the whistleblower was not simply communicating secondhand knowledge.

    “The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information,” the statement read. “The ICIG reviewed the information provided as well as other information gathered and determined that the complaint was both urgent and that it appeared credible. “

    The whistleblower NAMED all the other first hand sources, but we don’t know how many (if any) became whistleblowers also.

    DAMN. Trump IS bringing down the GOP.

    1. Right but you’re a slaver who eats shit and is super triggered

      1. WHINY LOSERS, ENRAGED BY PROOF (sneer)

    2. Fucking LOL at Dumbfuck Hihnsano standing up for our brave intelligence spooks, who have certainly never conducted illegal practices in the organization’s entire existence.

      1. They’re the ones who fed him acid and made him like he is

      2. Psycho is delusional again ….

    3. TheLibertyTruthTeller
      September.30.2019 at 9:39 pm
      “Ridiculing Trump has NEVER been more FUN!…”

      Making fun of lefty fucking losers is also enjoyable, lefty fucking loser.

      1. Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

        Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

        1. Link didn’t work.

          But it scarcely matters, because the Trump-dick-suckers here don’t want to be bothered by any facts anyway. They “persuade” other people by calling them names.

  23. Just saw 90-year-old Daniel Ellsberg interviewed about his days as a whistleblower—back when there was no such thing as a law to protect whistleblowers. Brought to mind that probably the best thing the whistleblower can do to stay safe is to go public, like Ellsberg eventually did. The whistleblower testifying behind closed doors in a hearing room half-full of Republicans loyal to Trump seems like a hard project to manage.

    1. You are probably right. Although I feel for the whistleblower’s family. If the whistleblower does go public, the family is going to be subjected to a lot of undeserved scrutiny.

      1. Ahahahah YOUR OWN FUCKING LINK SAYS IT’S NOT A WHISTLEBLOWER AHAHAHAHAH YOU ARE SO STUPID THANK YOU FOR THIS AWESOME WIN YOULL TRY TO PRETEND YOU WERENT WRONG ABOUT AHAHAHAAJAJA

        1. The laughing hyena tells another psycho lie,

      2. “Tulpa likened conversations here as akin to “Thunderdome”. So I don’t expect Tulpa to answer honestly or fairly or in good faith.”

        Ahahahaha how are you, a grown man, ACTUALLY CRYING ABOUT THAT AHAHAHAHAJAAJ

      3. Even your fake emotional empathy is pathetic.

        1. Did you see how fast he ran away when he realized he was caught lying?

          Lololol his total failure in this thread is giving me a boner lololol

        2. “Fake emotional empathy”? You’re turning into a Tulpa-bot now.

    1. “RIP TRIUMP !!!!”

      The Ds seem to be making sure he’ll win 2020.

  24. If, by some chance, Pence has to take over, I hope he’s less wimpy than he was back when he watered down the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

    In short, Pence should stop *shilling* for the Dems.

    1. Watered down the *Indiana* RFRA.

      Because with “cucky” attitudes like that, the progs will make mincement of him.

      They’ll *pound* him senseless.

  25. “The president’s threats might prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward to expose executive abuse.”

    “Threats” not in evidence, just to be clear.

  26. You losers are so sad. now a full 70 percent of America does not believe the Democrats. You morons in the media with your childish fantasies have handed trump the next election. I feel so sorry for America. We let the moron Millennials we entrusted to our future mess it all up and just hand it to trump twice. It’s like we raised moron children.

    (cries for the moron children we raised the absolutely nobody believes)

  27. Here’s how bad the Media and the DNC messed up:
    TWO WEEKS AGO: 71 percent of America believed in Impeachment.
    Today?
    49 percent. Yup. The moron milllennials in the media actually succeeded in making almost 25 percent of us believe in trump.

    Please stop letting Millennials make important decisions. They are useless.

    Hope this helps.

  28. Joe Biden is corrupt trash now. Corrupt Trash like Joe Biden and his Druggie Son do not matter. America matters more than corrupt druggie Biden trash.

  29. Just to be on record.

    Puuuuuuleeeeezzze. Spare us the histrionics.

    If anything about this presidency Obama? Wharrgarbl.

    Trump, a piece of shit? H-Okay.
    White House leakers, pieces of shit? H-Okay.

    Not the same white House. Not the same opposition. Not the same media. Nothing has the be the same as before.

    Reeeeeeeeeeeee

  30. So John Brennan before he leaves CIA changes a rule- rumors are now to be treated as fact not raw data ( which should never be released to the public) and a rumor becomes the latest way to attack Trump. Now we know why when Gina Haspel took over CIA she bypassed all of Brennan’s people and coaxed agents out of retirement. The Clinton profiteers cannot be trusted with even basic intel.
    The press is abusing the term whistleblower. If the coup plotter had told of abuse within HIS job that would be a whistleblower. Now the press is cheering the coup plotter on while still saying Snowden should be put to death. Hmmmmm.
    Ever since CIA created a fake dossier to throw Joe McCarthy off before the Army hearings it broke its rule on involvement with domestic politics. That is the issue here. not a fake whistleblower. Should CIA pick our presidents and overrule the voters?

    1. HOW BRAINWASHED CAN A GOOBER BE???

      Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

      As full of shit as Trump!!

      Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

      1. Your link returns a page unavailable error.

  31. The president’s threats might prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward to expose executive abuse.

    The president didn’t make any “threats”. What he did do is spread FUD for whistleblowers. There’s a difference. Try to understand it.

    Furthermore, we don’t want this kind of “whistleblower” to come forward. Literally: whistleblowers who provide hearsay information are not acceptable under whistleblower guidelines. That alone tells you that this is a political hitjob.

    You want to worry about an abuse of power and use of threats to whistleblowers by governments? Look at Obama’s war on whistleblowers. It was absolutely disgusting. It’s one of the reasons I despise Obama’s presidency so much.

  32. There is video of Biden bragging about doing exactly what Trump is being accused of doing.

    It is always projection with this crowd. Rest assured that whatever Trump stands accused of, his political opponents have already done in spades.

    And that’s what has them coming unglued. The Mueller investigation failed, Trump has broken their serve and now he is the one pressing the advantage.

  33. The problem with third party whistleblowers is that hearsay is usually not allowed in court. And the people who actually saw the issue would not be protected by whistleblower law since they are not the whistleblower.

  34. I like how everyone is still refusing to answer this question; how do you investigate a corrupt politician who currently stands for election and is running against you? If Trump did exactly what you’re accusing him of, then Obama should have been impeached as well. And in the event of a genuinely corrupt person seeking office, how do you investigate them at all?

  35. The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state… ([etc].
    https://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Letter-of-Transmittal.jpg

  36. From my point-of-view all that is going on is a coup from the Left.

    As I recall under Pres. Obama the Pres. of Libya was assassinated, the Pres. of The Ukraine was removed by a coup, we sent $1B to Iran, we supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt that led to a Military coup, we entered the Syrian and Yemen civil wars, and by removing our Military from Iraq allowed ISIS to be created.

    All of this and more, and no one talked about Impeachment. I guess killing millions, legally, is alright if you are a Dem. Pres.

  37. “… a whistleblower who tries to protect his country from corrupt officials abusing the powers granted to them…”

    This is an unproven assumption that, in this instance, has every indication of being false.

  38. I’ll get concerned when a real whistleblower actually comes forward. So far this LEAKER ain’t it. And he’s been wrong more than right.

  39. I repeat: How about you learn the difference between “whistle-blower” and “snitch”. Big difference and if you trendy little bastards would just stick to the language you may someday be a real journalist, do not count on it but maybe.

    Snitches get stitches.

  40. Dear Reason Magazine,
    I will NOT be subscribing again to your magazine, any remaining issues making it to my house will be thrown into the trash. Very disappointed that you have lost your fact checking capabilities and have decided to throw your lot with the biased main stream press. 
    If you watch or read the transcript (from Washington Post) of President Trump’s remarks, he said: “I want to know who’s the person that gave the whistleblower, who’s the person that gave the whistleblower the information, because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? With spies and treason, right? We used to handle them a little differently than we do now.”
    Why in the world did your writer, Shika Dalmia, state the following? “But Trump himself took the cake when he demanded to know the identity of the person while saying that whoever did so was “close to a spy.” …But there is a vast difference between a domestic spy who sells out his country to another for personal gain and a whistleblower who tries to protect his country from corrupt officials abusing the powers granted to them.” That is either an incompetent reading of the transcript or an absolute bald faced lie. The President called the people who gave the whistleblower information close to spies, NOT the whistleblower. At least the NY Times got it right saying: “Trump Calls Whistle-Blower Source ‘Close to a Spy’ ”
    Since the article contains many biased statements. Example A: “If anything, Trump’s actions are more in line with a spy’s given that he is using his public office for private gain.” This has not been proven, not even close. The National Intelligence didn’t even initially bring the complaint forward because it didn’t meet the criteria for urgent concern. All of which is again misinterpreted in your article. Additionally the transcript of the call did not show any wrong doing, no quid pro quo. And your article does not inform the reader that the standards for accepting whistler blower complaints were recently changed from first hand account to second hand accounts. We don’t even know if people actually leaked information to the whistle blower, we just have to take his word for it, apparently. 
    Reason Magazine, are you not able to see your own bias? You owe this country, and your subscribers an honest and fair evaluation of events and of the President. I may not have voted for him initially, but he is our President and our democratic system depends on the veracity of our public news and the press’ honest intent in asking fair questions and not taking sides in the presentation of the facts.   I used to think that your magazine was “reasonable” and not biased. How wrong have I been proven. You have lost my readership and also my respect. Good bye Reason Magazine. 

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