Whistleblowers

Trump, Not the Whistleblower, Has Acted Illegally

The president's threats might prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward to expose executive abuse.

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Partisans of this president are looking for every way to undermine and smear the Ukraine whistleblower. They have accused the person of being a Democratic hack. They have questioned the whistleblower's motives and integrity. And they have speculated that he or she is part of a deep state conspiracy to take down President Donald Trump.

But Trump himself took the cake when he demanded to know the identity of the person while saying that whoever did so was "close to a spy."

"You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart with spies and treason, right? We used to handle it a little differently than we do now," he said, hinting that the person deserved severe punishment—perhaps even execution.

But there is a vast difference between a domestic spy who sells out his country to another for personal gain and a whistleblower who tries to protect his country from corrupt officials abusing the powers granted to them.

If anything, Trump's actions are more in line with a spy's given that he is using his public office for private gain. As Frank Bowman, University of Missouri law professor and author of High Crimes and Misdemeanors: A History of Impeachment for the Age of Trump, notes, in authoritarian states like Vladimir Putin's Russia, it may be seen as normal for a leader to use state power to ensure his continuation in office. In this country, a president's interest in getting re-elected is considered to be a private, rather than a public, interest. (Dislosure: Bowman is my tenant.)

That's why, argues The Volokh Conspiracy's Ilya Somin, to the extent that Trump threatened to withhold congressionally authorized aid to Ukraine until President Volodymyr Zelenskiy promised to dig up dirt on Trump's political opponent, he basically demanded an in-kind political contribution, a kind of private benefit that 18 USC Section 601 explicitly outlaws. Soliciting foreign contributions for a political campaign is not illegal, per se. But what is potentially criminal—along with being unconstitutional—is that Trump tried to use congressional aid as leverage to do so.

The whistleblower, by contrast, has scrupulously adhered to the law.

University of Texas' Stephen Vladeck points out that the amended 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) laid out the channels and procedures that whistleblowers must follow in order to expose wrongdoings by higher-ups in intelligence agencies—both to protect classified information and themselves from retaliation. This means that the whistleblowers dealing with sensitive intelligence cannot leak the information to the press or the public. Rather, they must share their concerns with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) who, in turn, is required to transmit credible concerns to the director of national intelligence (DNI). The director then has seven days to transmit this information to congressional intelligence committees along with his (or her) own comments.

In this case, the whistleblower did exactly what he was supposed to do. Unlike Daniel Ellsberg of Pentagon Papers fame and Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency contractor who exposed government surveillance of ordinary Americans, both of whom illegally (and heroically for anti-war, anti-surveillance libertarians!) copied classified information and released it publicly, the whistleblower, in this case, did none of those things. He stayed within official channels.

But the folks whom he reported his concerns to didn't. Vladeck notes that for the first time in the 21-year history of the revised FISA statute, DNI Joseph Maguire did not forward the whistleblower's complaints to Congress. Why? Because the Department of Justice told him not to, even though the DOJ Office of the Inspector General, a quasi-independent watchdog, deemed it worthy of congressional scrutiny.

Yet the president has the temerity to accuse the whistleblower (and those around him) of being spies who have committed treason while advocating that we deal with them like we used to do in the "old days" when we were apparently smarter. These are the kinds of threats that, if not unambiguously rejected, could prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward to expose executive abuse. They are more worthy of banana republics led by authoritarian rulers who have contempt for any law that holds them accountable.

Trump has gotten himself into big trouble. And he will seemingly stop at nothing to get himself out of it—even if that means personal attacks, threats, and trashing of the institutions and norms painstakingly erected over the course of the last 250 years.

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  1. Why is all this not a valid exercise of Article II powers by POTUS Trump = The latest Ukraine chapter in the ongoing saga to overturn the 2016 election.

    To me, the POTUS pretty much gets a ‘hall pass’ on the conduct of foreign policy. He can talk to unsavory people, say unsavory things, lie his ass off, make outrageous demands. Presidents do this every day.

    How is this different?

    1. It is not. But you have to remember that Dalmia is a profoundly stupid and dishonest person. So, she has managed to convince herself that Trump telling the Ukrainian President that he should look into Biden’s corruption is somehow wrong.

      1. “Dalmia is a profoundly stupid and dishonest person.”

        She’s flat out lying here. It’s one thing for an opinion writer to only talk about the facts that fit their narrative, but it’s another to invent them.
        She deserves to be fired for this garbage.

        1. Prove it, you sniveling coward.

          1. Fuck off Hihn, you ban evading piece of shit.

            1. FAILS TO PROVE!

              TOTAL BASS ACKWARDS.

              CLAIMS THE PERSON DEMANDING PROOF IS THE ONE BEING EVASIVE!!! OMFG.

              Trumpsters

      2. Reason is more and more infested with Demorrhoid cancer cells. When you see their name on the line, you just ignore the article and go to the comments for gold.

    2. The worst, however, are the writers at Volkh. Dalmia is legitimately stupid and can at least claim not to understand what is going on. The guys at Volkh can’t claim that. They know what complete horseshit this is. And they are taking positions they know are false because whoever pays their salaries is telling them to do so. They are pushing real damaging lies. I honestly don’t know how they sleep at night.

      1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything/2019/09/26/48801f66-e068-11e9-be7f-4cc85017c36f_story.html

        Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden ‘did not violate anything’

        Out-take:

        “Giuliani has alleged that Hunter Biden was involved in corruption during his nearly five years on the board of Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company.
        Giuliani has not offered any evidence.”

        With the emphasis on, no evidence being offered… Kinda like the armies of supporters of the Trumptatorship here on these comment pages! A private citizen serves on the board in Ukraine… And we have no evidence of his wrong-doing there. He quit a half a year ago, knowing that there might be the APPEARANCE of familial conflicts of interests. Now we have a POTUS clearly using his office to meddle in the affairs of other nations… For his USA political-campaign interests! But the armies of supporters of the Trumptatorship, predictably, come clambering and clamoring to his defense! Surprise, surprise! What is truth? It depends on your political leanings and alliances! There IS no “truth”!

        And then the conservatives will get all up in arms about “cultural relativism”!

        “My tribe GOOD! Your tribe BAD!” That’s the only “truth” put forth here by MANY commenters!

        1. That’s nice and all, but the investigation was torpedoed and never comprehensive, so he’s basically commenting on what little he knows. Not very useful really.

          1. Liar.
            Pathetic.
            Or prove it.

        2. This coming from Hihn who has spent the entire last 3 years nursing Russiagate fever dreams.

          Fill up the fake cum reservoir on your Obama Bad Dragon with sodium cyanide before your next session Hihn.

          1. Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

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            1. Please stop spamming. I flagged you.

              1. I’m SOOOO scared!!!

                Meanwhile… WHAT does it take, before conservatives will support impeaching the Head of the Trumptatorship?!??!

                Under Hitler, the German armed forces swore personal allegiance to Hitler… Not the German nation or some code of law. Personal allegiance (not the good of the whole) is a scary place to go. But THAT is where Orange Hitler wants to take us!

                https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/politics/trump-mueller-barr-australia/index.html

                Trump pressed Australian Prime Minister to help with Justice review of Russia probe origins

                WHO is disloyal to MEEEE?!??! Is what Trump is all about! Flush OUT all of the people who are disloyal to MEEEE!!!!

              2. “8o degrees” continues the centuries-old tradition. Right-wingers burning witches and books and censoring non-conformers to their diktats. Be very afraid.,

                1. It’s the boldface that gives the instability away.

                  1. That’s RIDICULE, retard
                    So is this. (smirk)

                    1. And the name calling. Unstable.

                    2. Not name-calling, when the PROOF of your infantile fuckup is clearly visible.

                      So, you’re also a retard on name-calling vs supported arguments.

                      A third screwup now?

                    3. And the name calling.

                      YOU said “instability” so you’re now ALSO a lying sack of shit.
                      A supported argument, chuimp

            2. Most Righteous Feelz –

              The prosecutor who was sacked pursuant to Obama’s orders as conveyed by Biden claims that he was fired BECAUSE he was investigating Biden’s son.

              In fact, he has made out an affidavit so declaring. Three other former Ukranian prosecutors have as well.

              Does not the President have the power to ask foreign heads of state for assistance in investigating crimes committed by former presidents?

              1. The prosecutor who was sacked pursuant to Obama’s orders as conveyed by Biden claims that he was fired BECAUSE he was investigating Biden’s son.

                Hunter was NEVER investigated, you pathetic traitor,

                Does not the President have the power to ask foreign heads of state for assistance in investigating crimes committed by former presidents?

                WHAT WAS THE CRIME? (snort)

                Ukraine Prosecutor Says No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Bidens
                Ukraine’s prosecutor general said in an interview that he had no evidence of wrongdoing by U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden or his son, despite a swirl of allegations by President Donald Trump’s lawyer.

                Trump betrayed your blind loyalty to him. You have been totally suckered. Do you even care?

                Your version is the wackiest yet.
                Your turn. No whining, PROOF.

                1. Hunter not being investigated is the point you blithering idiot.

                  1. MOAR PROOF! JesseAz a lying sack of (you know)

                    The prosecutor who was sacked pursuant to Obama’s orders as conveyed by Biden claims that he was fired BECAUSE he was investigating Biden’s son.

                    Versus the Clown Goober

                    Hunter not being investigated is the point

                    (sneer)

                    you blithering idiot.

                    READY FIRE AIM!
                    As a general rule, babies like you SUCK as bullies.

                2. What was the crime in Mueller?

                  1. There could be none, as Mueller stated, per DOJ policy. so he didn’t look for crime, as he also stated. While you’ve been napping for so long.

                    He merely gathered evidence, while memories were still clear .. for later prosecution … plus five likely criminal acts handed off to the Southern District of New Your, which have curiously disappeared. What are the odds those criminal charges will be filed, closer to the election?

                    Stop napping and keep up!

        3. It doesn’t matter if a Ukrainian law was broken, Hunter was given a job he had no qualification for, other than the fact that his last name was Clinton Bush Kennedy Biden. Laws don’t have to be broken for there to be corruption and conflicts of interest.

          1. It doesn’t matter if a Ukrainian law was broken, Hunter was given a job he had no qualification for,

            Based on …WHAT?
            TELL US THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE A BOARD MEMBER, SINCE YOU’VE LOST AGAIN

            Just like Trump. Every loss is followed by a new lie … from thousands of them.

            1. So you’re just going to ignore the fact that everyone is pleading for you, for your own sake, to please, please, just take your meds.

              1. No kidding.

                But why would such a rude arrogant person listen to our pleas? It’s all about him.

              2. DenverJ called out as a phony, is AGAIN challenged:

                TELL US THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE A BOARD MEMBER, SINCE YOU’VE LOST AGAIN

                ANOTHER FAILURE!!! … MORE WHINING AND COWARDLY EVASION.

                “Pity the fool.”

              3. MORE COWARDLY BULLSHIT FROM DENVERJ

                REPAT FOR THE PSYCHO LIAR

                Based on …WHAT?
                TELL US THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE A BOARD MEMBER, SINCE YOU’VE LOST AGAIN

                PUT UP OR SHUT UP, PSYCHO.

            2. Don’t flag him you cretin. His deranged ramblings are the highlight of any thread, they really break up the Trump circle jerk when the sane commenters like soldiermedic aren’t around. 2

        4. It’s Viktor Shokin, the targeted Ukrainian prosecutor that was fired at Biden’s directive, who has the first hand eye witness recounting of what happened, not his hand picked successor put into office after the ouster of Viktor Shokin.
          And according to Viktor Shokin in sworn statements, there most definitively was an investigation into the gas company Burisma, that Hunter Biden worked at, and the investigation was prematurely ended when Viktor Shokin fired.
          They didn’t get into Burisima’s alleged corruption, or Hunter Biden’s involvement, because they were stopped in time to do so.
          It is not so much that Hunter Biden was found innocent of anything, it is that the investigation that could have found out if he was innocent or not, was shut down before it could be found out.

          1. And according to Viktor Shokin in sworn statements

            PROVE IT, YOU BRAINWASHED PSYCHO.

        5. “Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden ‘did not violate anything’”

          Shokin, who has said he WAS investigating Burisma and Biden, was fired per Joe’s demand. His successor, lo and behold, found no problems with Hunter.

          Not sure how this defends your argument,

          1. PROVE IT, LIAR

        6. What does that have to do with the bullshit allegations against Trump?

          I ask, as someone who voted for neither of the NYC Demorrhoids.

          1. Nothing, They’re like trained seals. Trump’s morning tweets are how he manipulates them. Note: they know NOTHING about ANYTHING.

      2. And they are taking positions they know are false because whoever pays their salaries is telling them to do so.

        Yup, there are only three possible positions here:

        1. John is right and everyone who disagrees is stupid
        2. John is right and everyone who disagrees is lying
        3. John is right and everyone who disagrees has corrupt motives

        1. 5. Chemleft is a Media Matters Fifty-center who is paid to spam here.

          1. Hey, how do I get paid to spam?
            I really could use the money.

            1. Sign up at Media Matters. Rich Uncle Soros has given them grants aplenty to fund their online astroturfing campaigns.
              To prove your left-wing street cred though, you’ll have to personally abort and eat a fetus.

      3. John
        I honestly don’t know how they sleep at night.

        Or how to feed or clothe yourself!

    3. Rightwing goobers DEFEND Trump inviting s foreign government to interfere in our 2020 election Pathetic.

      Likewise, he publicly invited Russia to interfere in 2016, and Russia hacked the DNC server less than 24 hours later.

      Trump was correct when he famously said his supporters should not be trusted, They would lie to defend him of even cold-blooded murder. When the accepted so blatant an insult, we knew we’d have the worst set of brainwashed drones ever, worse even than Orwell’s 1984.

      1. “Likewise, he publicly invited Russia to interfere in 2016, and Russia hacked the DNC server less than 24 hours later.”

        Well, the DNC said they did. The FBI was not permitted to investigate.

      2. Hi, welcome to Reason where we’re neither left nor right, even by the retarded definitions of each you use.

        BTW, even Hillary’s pets disproved the Russian birth certificate allegation. You should find a new song.

    4. Joe Biden is corrupt trash now. Corrupt Trash like Joe Biden and his Druggie Son do not matter. America matters more than corrupt druggie Biden trash.

      1. Says the drooling psycho.

        1. Fuck off Hihn, your Mom’s calling you to go take your meds.

          1. Says the INFANTILE drooling psycho.

            1. Wait! Wait! I know this one!

              “I know you are, but what am I?”

    5. It’s different because it’s Trump. Period. And I see no note taken that sometime in the last year or so, the “whistleblower” form has been amended to permit non-first-hand information, which used to be required. Indeed, the language of the requirements still instructs whistleblowers to describe what they WITNESSED. In this instance, absolutely nothing was witnessed by the whistleblower. It’s pure hearsay gussied up with alarm bells of pure speculation.

      TDS has infected Reason. And, if you pronounce that, it sounds terribly like “tedious.” Which it is.

      1. From what I understood, any changes in regulatory standards or procedure, must first be published as a proposed change in the Federal Register, then subject to public opinion and commentary, then recommended one way or another, then changed or not by the Director of the agency.
        This sounds like a change that did not follow any of those rules.
        And should not even be effective because of that .

        1. Trumpsters EAGERLY brainwashed! Puppets on a string.

          Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

          Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

          1. Moron. I didn’t even vote for Trump. I simply have a functional brain, unlike your tediously deranged self.

            1. Silvie1,
              What in HELL does THAT whining have to do with PROOF that you’re a bat-shit crazy bullshitter??

        2. The Deep State has gone off the deep end – whatever they do in service of removing Trump is worthy. Risking, of course, the collapse of the rule of law, as breach of law with impunity by the exalted-of-power leads to contempt for all law.

          Risking:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqReTJkjjg

    6. Here comes this shill again.

  2. FBI sting fail? send in the clowns I mean CIA …

  3. #TrumpUkraine is tied with #TrumpRussia as the biggest scandal in world history. Fortunately — and as I predicted throughout 2018 — we have a #BlueWave Congress that will do its patriotic duty and #Impeach.

    This is the tipping point. The walls are closing in. It’s the beginning of the end.

    1. You realize Russia and the Ukraine are at war with each other, right, shithead?
      And neither has the GDP of New Jersey, thus putting them below the interest level of Trump.

    2. “It’s the beginning of the end.”

      I’ve been hearing that since June of 2016.

      You retards are fucking hilarious. Or pathetic.

  4. The TDS is strong with this one.

    1. Says the whiny pussy.

  5. Since Valerie Plame this is the third known incident of the CIA involved in domestic politics. I thought that was illegal. Given this and the shenanigans to change the rules on hearsay I see no reason for a CIA agent to remain anonymous.

    1. The rules weren’t changed. Trump suckered you again.

      I see no reason for a CIA agent to remain anonymous.

      Typical fascist … and ignorant.
      It’s done to protect whistleblowers. chump, from vindictive assholes like Trump.

      Why do YOU want them punished? We know what Trump is afraid of. What do you want to suppress?

    2. Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

      Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

      1. Hmm…looks like Trump is still president.

        Better luck next time.

        1. How does that erase the crazy-ass fucking lie?
          How is that even remotely relevant to the point?
          COWARDS always create diversions when proven wrong.
          Anything else, Sluggo?

          OH WAIT, YOU SAY “CONSPIRACY,”
          Never mind.

    3. So you also fucked up the Valerie Plame incident?

  6. In this case, the whistleblower did exactly what he was supposed to do. Unlike Daniel Ellsberg of Pentagon Papers fame and Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency contractor who exposed government surveillance of ordinary Americans, both of whom illegally (and heroically for anti-war, anti-surveillance libertarians!) copied classified information and released it publicly, the whistleblower, in this case, did none of those things. He stayed within official channels.

    And if he wasn’t an apple, he’d be an orange!

    1. Telling a lie is apparently okay as long as you do so within official channels and the lie is about the evil Trump!!

      1. There’s a kind of wild-eyed sweaty desperation in the bullshit of Trump supporters these days. Let’s try a calm review, shall we?

        (1) Trump strong-armed a foreign government to serve his personal ends – traded the favor of the United States for private gain – and colluded with another country to influence an election. These are not acceptable actions.

        (2) It was pure quid pro quo just by what we know already, only slightly more subtle than a mafioso boss. And we’ll surely learn more in the coming days about other (sleazy) approaches.

        (3) We’ve been “good” to you; we expect “reciprocal” action; we demand a “favor”. Yet it’s only when Trump get to his demands that the case for impeachment becomes clear.

        (4) First came Crowdstrike. Trump’s former Homeland Security Adviser, Thomas P Bossert, was interviewed on television yesterday about this. He said Trump was briefed on CrowdStrike conspiracy theories several times – both by himself and others. They led DJT step by step thru the evidence which proves those theories false. But evidence or truth wasn’t relevant to Trump’s ends.

        Instead, he walked the Ukrainian President through the narrative, telling Zelensky exactly what he wants parroted. The Ukrainian president then was instructed to work with his (Trump’s) personal attorney to have the story more properly engineered. The CrowdStrike nonsense is bat-shit crazy lunacy; Trump was soliciting a lie.

        (5) Then followed Shokin. Hunter Biden was mentioned only briefly to set the story; everything thereafter was about the prosecutor’s firing. Trump made clear to Zelensky just who he wanted targeted : Joe Biden.

        (6) But it’s only another crude lie. When Biden pressured Ukraine over Shokin he was following the orders of the President, the policy of the State Department, and the aims of the European Union, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund. He was also cheered by every reform group in Ukraine itself, where street protests demanded Shokin’s ouster.

        (7) Over at the National Review, Jonah Goldberg said “the charge that Joe Biden was freelancing foreign policy to protect his son simply doesn’t hold water if you spend five minutes reading up on it. Biden was acting on orders from President Obama in coordination with allies and State Department policy to force the former Russia-backed Ukrainian regime to fire a dirty prosecutor who was failing to properly investigate corruption, including at the firm Hunter Biden worked with.”

        (8) As Goldberg says, Shokin wasn’t even investigating Burisma – (the company that gave Hunter Biden a position on its board). In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky.

        (9) The “Biden was protecting Hunter”meme is lying on a grotesque level. Biden was ordered to pressure Ukraine and was following the directives of the President and State Department.

        (10) Nonetheless, Zelensky was led through another falsehood word by word. It’s the only sure way to suborn perjury.

        (11) So Trump didn’t just strong-arm another nation’s leader to support his reelection, he demanded that leader lie to do so. How can anyone support that?

        1. Nobody gave a shit about any of this until Trump pointed at Crowdstrike and the Ukraine, and it started coming out that the administration has been poking

          The Australian government even agreed back in May to cooperate with Barr’s investigation.

          Fucking LOL at grb desperately trying to convince us that the intelligence community isn’t trying to cover their ass here. No wonder the Dems recruited so many intel spooks to run for election last year; sounds like some CIA fucks are about to get a helicopter ride.

          1. that should be, and it started coming out that the administration has been poking around how the Mueller investigation actually got started.

          2. CRAZY Red Rocks ALSO swallows that Crowdstrike is owned by a wealthy Ukrainian!!!

            Its’ a US CORPORATION, shares traded on NASDAQ,HQ in California, office outside DC … the super high-tech security firm that uncovered proof it was Russia who hacked the DNC server …. within 24 hours of Trump PUBLICLY ASKING RUSSIA to interfere in THAT election (2016) … Trump later said he would NOT tell the FBI if Russia offered to interfere in our election … later invited Ukraine to interfere in the NEXT election.

            The Crowdstrike Conspiracy is super-wacko for super wackos, as crazy as Pizzagate, Uranian One and Birtherism. THIS lie says Crowdstrike is owned by a rich Ukrainian, was working to help Hillary, and has Hillary’s server hidden in Ukraine … as Trump states in the Ukrainian”transcript” he was stupid enough to release … confirming the psychological collapse he’s been in for nearly a month.

            “BUT AT LEAST HE’S NOT HILLARY” (snorf)

        2. grb
          September.30.2019 at 7:34 pm
          “There’s a kind of wild-eyed sweaty desperation in the bullshit of Trump supporters these days. Let’s try a calm review, shall we?”

          You’re a laugh riot (and a fucking lefty ignoramus) grb.

    2. Someone should link Shikha what the whistleblower regulations actually say and not what she thinks they do. The regulations cover malfeasance solely of the agency the actor is a part of. The office of the president is not under the auspices of the IC.

          1. Thanks for backing up the federalist article dumbass. Try reading your link next time.

            1. Where in the law does it say only first-hand knowledge may be reported?

        1. Yeah, that is fake. The law never required only first-hand knowledge before filing a complaint.

          Here is the form from May 2018:

          https://www.scribd.com/document/427767481/Icwpa-Form-401-24may18

          See page 5 of this form.


          1.I know about the information I am disclosing here based on (check all that apply):

          I have personal and/or direct knowledge of events or records involved

          Other employees have told me about events or records involved

          Other source(s)
          (please explain)

          1. Jesus fucking christ Jeff. Try reading a link for once. It had nothing to do with firet hand reporting you dumb piece of shit.

        2. Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

          Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

  7. Dalmia is the best stripper in the joint when it comes to click bait.

    1. lol exactly.

  8. Partisans of this permanent, un-elected, all-powerful administrative state are looking for every way to undermine and smear the duly elected president.

    1. ANOTHER whiny goober says the Founders were WRONG to provide for impeachment in our Constitution! OMFG.

      to undermine and smear the duly elected president.

      Elected PRESIDENT, not emperor. You disgrace our Constitution, as badly as he does.

  9. Yo Shikha,
    A “whistleblower” is someone that has information that they can prove. It’s someone on the inside that knows something. What we have here is gossip, Trump released the phone call, the media threw out all but 540 words, and that’s what you’re going on.
    The premise of your entire article is based on “I feel Trump was pressuring someone.”
    You are bad at your job.

    1. YOU’RE FULL OF SHIT, PUPPET-DANCING-ON-A-STRING.
      THE INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATED THE EVIDENCE AND FOUND IT CREDIBLE AND TROUBLESOME. ALL SUPPRESSED BY YOUR FOX NEWS. SO YOUR BLUNDER IS BOTH A LIE AND IGNORANT OF THE PROCESS.

      The premise of your entire article is based on “I feel Trump was pressuring someone.”

      Find a 12-year-old to read and explain it for you. Or … read it yourself!

  10. Calling this person a whistleblower os.the height of ignorance. He fails almost every requirement of an actual whistleblower. second hand information. Mere policy disagreement. Issue with an action outside of his agency (president is not under the IC).

    Must me twist words to make idiotic points like Shikha? Absent from shikhas analysis is any actual legal analysis. We get it, you dont like Trump.

    1. No requirement for first hand knowledge for whistle blower status. Just read the law, dude.
      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

      1. “No requirement for first hand knowledge for whistle blower status. Just read the law, dude.
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

        Care to cite the relevant parts?
        Do so, or STFU, asshole.

        1. (sneer)
          Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

          Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

    2. After the transcript and reporting from the last few days, whining about the whistleblower seems a bit like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic: More therapeutic than useful to any real end.

  11. They are more worthy of banana republics led by authoritarian rulers who have contempt for any law that holds them accountable.

    Just out of curiosity, which of our humble public servants in Washington do you know who don’t believe that they’re above the law? By that criterion, we’ve been a banana republic for at least as long as I’ve been alive.

  12. ORANGE MAN BAD

    1. Actually, a psycho.

      1. TheLibertyTruthTeller
        September.30.2019 at 8:04 pm
        “Actually, a psycho.”

        As claimed by a fucking lefty ignoramus.

    2. Orange Man bad?!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!

      We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!
      See theatlantic.com and search for below search-string as title…

      “The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet”

      He pussy-grab His creditors in 7 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me reality schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!
      All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!

      Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!

  13. “Actually, a psycho.”

    That’s not the case. A psychopath wouldn’t have paid Stormy Daniels off. He would have gutted her and molested the corpse. She’s still walking around with a sense of shame and her organs intact.
    Buffoon? Probably.

    1. THIS goober doesn’t know hat a psychopath is!.
      A TOTAL lack of conscience, incapable of feeling guilt, thus NEVER apologizes.

      Go ahead, now make a bigger fool of yourself.

  14. All of you, stop for a minute; we’re doing shots. Salud! Ok, back to whatever.

    1. Point of order?

      It’s about 9:30 the next morning, and I’m just reading this now. Do I need to still follow along or can I defer the shot(s) until later?

      I mean, I don’t want to be impolite or anything, but I do need to be productive at some point this morning.

      1. 9:30? You were supposed to be catching up.

  15. Trump, Not the Whistleblower, Has Acted Illegally

    OK, TEAM GOP, ITS TIME TO GO TO CIVIL WAR!!! YAAAAWWWWPPPP!!!!

  16. CBS News released a survey on Sunday that had 55% of respondents in favor of the opening of the impeachment inquiry, while 45% were not. That survey was conducted Sept. 26-27.

    #THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN
    #IT’S MUELLER TIME

    1. “#THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN
      #IT’S MUELLER TIME”

      You’re laugh riot!
      S/he’ll be here all week! Please tip the waitstaff regardless of his/her quality. They had nothing to do with it.

  17. “They have questioned the whistleblower’s motives and integrity. And they have speculated that he or she is part of a deep state conspiracy to take down President Donald Trump.”

    Questioning the motives and integrity of unnamed sources in the CIA is entirely reasonable, and yet that isn’t even necessary when the information in the transcript of the phone call contradicts the whistleblower’s allegations.

    If the fact is that there was no quid pro quo in the transcript when the whistleblower said there was one, then that alone is a perfectly valid reason to question the motives and integrity of the whistleblower–regardless of whether he or she is an unnamed source in the CIA.

    Meanwhile, when unnamed sources in the CIA are making allegations that are being cited as cause for impeaching Trump, it isn’t unreasonable to suspect that it might be part of a “deep state” attempt to take down Donald Trump. After all, that is what is happening: unnamed sources in the CIA are making allegations aimed at taking down Donald Trump. Why pretend otherwise?

    1. How would we know Ken? Did you hear the call?

      No, you read a small MEMO of it drafted by the people around the president himself. Even that sanitized version is BS.

      God you people are so short of brains you couldn’t qualify for lemmings.

      1. wearingit
        September.30.2019 at 9:29 pm
        “How would we know Ken? Did you hear the call?”

        Are you really interested in proving what a fucking ignoramus you are?

        1. Are you really interested in proving what a fucking ignoramus you are?

          Just above … PROOF jammed up your sorry ass,
          As always.

    2. “Questioning the motives and integrity of unnamed sources in the CIA is entirely reasonable”

      Since when? Even if it is just someone accusing someone of sexual assault with no evidence. Their claim is evidence enough which means the source is more than legit. When it comes to something massive like the president then all claims must be true and those making the claims are noble people. Even peeing on hookers. Good people made that claim.
      Haven’t you figured this out yet?

      1. That’s why an Inspector General reviews the evidence and interviews any name witnesses … while your keep your head jammed up your ass, like EVERY whiny Trumptard,

      2. No. Taking the claims of unnamed sources at the CIA with a grain of salt is always warranted. As always, the question is whether the CIA’s claims are in harmony with the available evidence–and in this case, the claims of the whistleblower were contradicted by the transcript of the phone call.

        Even without that transcript, the CIA is a clandestine organization shrouded in secrecy, and they engage in covert operations. Using subterfuge is their standard operating procedure. What they say isn’t necessarily false just because they said it, but because their entire organization is committed to concealment and deception, their claims alone would be insufficient to justify removing an elected president from office without evidence to confirm their claims.

        In this situation, we have evidence regarding their claims, and all the evidence we’ve seen so far–the transcript of the phone call–has contradicted their claims rather than confirmed them.

        It appears that your desire to see Trump impeached is such that it makes you believe an accusation of an unnamed source at the CIA, even after that claim has been shown to contradict the evidence in the form of the call transcript. Of course, just because your irrationality has an explanation doesn’t make it any less irrational.

        1. Sarc meter needing repair?

  18. “That’s why, argues The Volokh Conspiracy’s Ilya Somin, to the extent that Trump threatened to withhold congressionally authorized aid to Ukraine until President Volodymyr Zelenskiy promised to dig up dirt on Trump’s political opponent, he basically demanded an in-kind political contribution”

    To the extent that Trump’s nephew is a chimpanzee, Trump is a monkey’s uncle. However, I haven’t seen any evidence that Trump’s nephew is a chimp, and, likewise, I haven’t seen any evidence that Trump threatened to withhold aid from the Ukraine unless the president dug up dirt on Biden.

    Here’s the link to the transcript.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html

    Show me where Trump, “threatened to withhold congressionally authorized aid to Ukraine until President Volodymyr Zelenskiy promised to dig up dirt on Trump’s political opponent”.

    I accuse you of making shit up. Go ahead. Quote where Trump did what you said he did. I dare you.

    1. Here’s a link to Joe Biden bragging about doing what you’re falsely accusing Trump of doing–and there’s no need for a whistleblower.
      You can hear it straight from Biden’s own mouth at 1:20 in this video:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4

      1. Jesus wtf was that? Anyways, Dalmia is just another progressive in libertarian clothing. She voted for HRC, she parrots the left’s lies about illegal immigration, and she’s generally just dishonest in her writings.

        1. Boy, that’s a whole mess of BS you got there Denver. Amazing you can spill that all out onto the keyboard.

          1. Yeah? Which part was BS?

        2. Wasn’t there a Libertarian up for president in 2016?
          Why would a libertarian writer not vote for the Libertarian candidate?

          1. There are plenty of libertarians who don’t believe that the purpose of libertarianism is to seize the reigns of power to inflict libertarianism on the unwilling using the coercive power of government.

            There are even libertarians who think that our participation in elections is used by the government to legitimize the horrible shit the government wants to do to us and, thus, that by participating in elections, we’re carrying water for authoritarian socialists, whether we realize it or not.

            There are libertarians who think that the only way we’re likely to have influence on politics is if one of two major parties embrace our ideas, and they’ll typically try to get their fellow libertarians to support the more libertarian capitalist candidate of the two–which hasn’t been a Democrat since at least before Barack Obama.

            Also, there are people who write for libertarian magazines about libertarian ideas but aren’t libertarians just like there are people who write for auto magazines about cars but aren’t automobiles.

      2. KEN SCHULTZ CRAZY BULLSHIT AGAIN!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=RpQZ0e-Ux7w
        “I remember going over (to Ukraine), convincing our team … that we should be providing for loan guarantees. … And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from (then Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko) and from (then-Prime Minister Arseniy) Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor (Shokin). And they didn’t. .

        CAUGHT RED-HANDED!

        COMPARE …. SEE THE PARTS FALSELY EDITED BY SCHULTZ’S RUSSIAN SOURCE …. RUSSIAN SOURCE,… RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE …

        Shame on you, Ken

        1. “RUSSIAN SOURCE …. RUSSIAN SOURCE,… RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … RUSSIAN SOURCE … ”

          We can hope TDS is fatal.

        2. You link to a video of Biden shaking down the Ukrainians to prove that he didn’t really shake down the Ukrainians?

          Doesn’t anybody else understand what’s being alleged here?

    2. Sikka is just another

  19. You’re right but don’t let the fascists here hear it. They’re already trying to burn you at the stake with their stupidity.

  20. Well, if this whole affair persuades rank-and-file Republicans to question their support for the surveillance state in general, then that would be a silver lining in this whole sad mess.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist
      September.30.2019 at 9:28 pm
      “Well, if this whole affair persuades rank-and-file Republicans to question their support for the surveillance state in general, then that would be a silver lining in this whole sad mess.”

      Well, if Jeff and his idiot compatriots had brains, they might have accepted that they LOST, losers.
      And the adults might not have to deal with them.

  21. Except he isn’t a whistleblower the DOJ said Trump isn’t a member of the intelligence community so he can’t have the whistle blown on him by this person. I call them The Gossip.

    1. That’s as crazy as anything Trump says

      WHISTLEBLOWERS ARE PROTECTED FOR CALLING OUT
      Anyone
      At any level
      In all three branches of government.

      Trumptards are SCARED SHITLESS, just like Trump.

      You also LIED about the DOJ.

      1. The law literally limits it to those in the agency idiot. God damn you people are dumb.

        1. Like all your other PROVEN bullshit?

  22. Ridiculing Trump has NEVER been more FUN!

    Intelligence community watchdog debunks whistleblower conspiracy pushed by Trump and other Republicans

    The intelligence community inspector general is forcefully pushing back against assertions made by President Donald Trump and several Republican lawmakers about the whistleblower complaint that has rocked Washington.

    In a rare statement released Monday, the inspector general addressed a false claim pushed by Trump and some of his allies on Capitol Hill, including House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy of California and Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, that the whistleblower lacked firsthand knowledge of the conduct outlined in the complaint and therefore the allegations were based on “hearsay.” But the statement from the inspector general made clear that the whistleblower was not simply communicating secondhand knowledge.

    “The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information,” the statement read. “The ICIG reviewed the information provided as well as other information gathered and determined that the complaint was both urgent and that it appeared credible. “

    The whistleblower NAMED all the other first hand sources, but we don’t know how many (if any) became whistleblowers also.

    DAMN. Trump IS bringing down the GOP.

    1. Fucking LOL at Dumbfuck Hihnsano standing up for our brave intelligence spooks, who have certainly never conducted illegal practices in the organization’s entire existence.

      1. Psycho is delusional again ….

    2. TheLibertyTruthTeller
      September.30.2019 at 9:39 pm
      “Ridiculing Trump has NEVER been more FUN!…”

      Making fun of lefty fucking losers is also enjoyable, lefty fucking loser.

      1. Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

        Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

        1. Link didn’t work.

          But it scarcely matters, because the Trump-dick-suckers here don’t want to be bothered by any facts anyway. They “persuade” other people by calling them names.

  23. Just saw 90-year-old Daniel Ellsberg interviewed about his days as a whistleblower—back when there was no such thing as a law to protect whistleblowers. Brought to mind that probably the best thing the whistleblower can do to stay safe is to go public, like Ellsberg eventually did. The whistleblower testifying behind closed doors in a hearing room half-full of Republicans loyal to Trump seems like a hard project to manage.

    1. You are probably right. Although I feel for the whistleblower’s family. If the whistleblower does go public, the family is going to be subjected to a lot of undeserved scrutiny.

      1. Even your fake emotional empathy is pathetic.

        1. “Fake emotional empathy”? You’re turning into a Tulpa-bot now.

    1. “RIP TRIUMP !!!!”

      The Ds seem to be making sure he’ll win 2020.

  24. If, by some chance, Pence has to take over, I hope he’s less wimpy than he was back when he watered down the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

    In short, Pence should stop *shilling* for the Dems.

    1. Watered down the *Indiana* RFRA.

      Because with “cucky” attitudes like that, the progs will make mincement of him.

      They’ll *pound* him senseless.

  25. “The president’s threats might prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward to expose executive abuse.”

    “Threats” not in evidence, just to be clear.

  26. You losers are so sad. now a full 70 percent of America does not believe the Democrats. You morons in the media with your childish fantasies have handed trump the next election. I feel so sorry for America. We let the moron Millennials we entrusted to our future mess it all up and just hand it to trump twice. It’s like we raised moron children.

    (cries for the moron children we raised the absolutely nobody believes)

  27. Here’s how bad the Media and the DNC messed up:
    TWO WEEKS AGO: 71 percent of America believed in Impeachment.
    Today?
    49 percent. Yup. The moron milllennials in the media actually succeeded in making almost 25 percent of us believe in trump.

    Please stop letting Millennials make important decisions. They are useless.

    Hope this helps.

  28. Joe Biden is corrupt trash now. Corrupt Trash like Joe Biden and his Druggie Son do not matter. America matters more than corrupt druggie Biden trash.

  29. Just to be on record.

    Puuuuuuleeeeezzze. Spare us the histrionics.

    If anything about this presidency Obama? Wharrgarbl.

    Trump, a piece of shit? H-Okay.
    White House leakers, pieces of shit? H-Okay.

    Not the same white House. Not the same opposition. Not the same media. Nothing has the be the same as before.

    Reeeeeeeeeeeee

  30. So John Brennan before he leaves CIA changes a rule- rumors are now to be treated as fact not raw data ( which should never be released to the public) and a rumor becomes the latest way to attack Trump. Now we know why when Gina Haspel took over CIA she bypassed all of Brennan’s people and coaxed agents out of retirement. The Clinton profiteers cannot be trusted with even basic intel.
    The press is abusing the term whistleblower. If the coup plotter had told of abuse within HIS job that would be a whistleblower. Now the press is cheering the coup plotter on while still saying Snowden should be put to death. Hmmmmm.
    Ever since CIA created a fake dossier to throw Joe McCarthy off before the Army hearings it broke its rule on involvement with domestic politics. That is the issue here. not a fake whistleblower. Should CIA pick our presidents and overrule the voters?

    1. HOW BRAINWASHED CAN A GOOBER BE???

      Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

      As full of shit as Trump!!

      Another one bites … another one bites … another one bites the dust

      1. Your link returns a page unavailable error.

  31. The president’s threats might prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward to expose executive abuse.

    The president didn’t make any “threats”. What he did do is spread FUD for whistleblowers. There’s a difference. Try to understand it.

    Furthermore, we don’t want this kind of “whistleblower” to come forward. Literally: whistleblowers who provide hearsay information are not acceptable under whistleblower guidelines. That alone tells you that this is a political hitjob.

    You want to worry about an abuse of power and use of threats to whistleblowers by governments? Look at Obama’s war on whistleblowers. It was absolutely disgusting. It’s one of the reasons I despise Obama’s presidency so much.

  32. There is video of Biden bragging about doing exactly what Trump is being accused of doing.

    It is always projection with this crowd. Rest assured that whatever Trump stands accused of, his political opponents have already done in spades.

    And that’s what has them coming unglued. The Mueller investigation failed, Trump has broken their serve and now he is the one pressing the advantage.

  33. The problem with third party whistleblowers is that hearsay is usually not allowed in court. And the people who actually saw the issue would not be protected by whistleblower law since they are not the whistleblower.

  34. I like how everyone is still refusing to answer this question; how do you investigate a corrupt politician who currently stands for election and is running against you? If Trump did exactly what you’re accusing him of, then Obama should have been impeached as well. And in the event of a genuinely corrupt person seeking office, how do you investigate them at all?

  35. The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state… ([etc].
    https://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Letter-of-Transmittal.jpg

  36. From my point-of-view all that is going on is a coup from the Left.

    As I recall under Pres. Obama the Pres. of Libya was assassinated, the Pres. of The Ukraine was removed by a coup, we sent $1B to Iran, we supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt that led to a Military coup, we entered the Syrian and Yemen civil wars, and by removing our Military from Iraq allowed ISIS to be created.

    All of this and more, and no one talked about Impeachment. I guess killing millions, legally, is alright if you are a Dem. Pres.

  37. “… a whistleblower who tries to protect his country from corrupt officials abusing the powers granted to them…”

    This is an unproven assumption that, in this instance, has every indication of being false.

  38. I’ll get concerned when a real whistleblower actually comes forward. So far this LEAKER ain’t it. And he’s been wrong more than right.

  39. I repeat: How about you learn the difference between “whistle-blower” and “snitch”. Big difference and if you trendy little bastards would just stick to the language you may someday be a real journalist, do not count on it but maybe.

    Snitches get stitches.

  40. Dear Reason Magazine,
    I will NOT be subscribing again to your magazine, any remaining issues making it to my house will be thrown into the trash. Very disappointed that you have lost your fact checking capabilities and have decided to throw your lot with the biased main stream press. 
    If you watch or read the transcript (from Washington Post) of President Trump’s remarks, he said: “I want to know who’s the person that gave the whistleblower, who’s the person that gave the whistleblower the information, because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? With spies and treason, right? We used to handle them a little differently than we do now.”
    Why in the world did your writer, Shika Dalmia, state the following? “But Trump himself took the cake when he demanded to know the identity of the person while saying that whoever did so was “close to a spy.” …But there is a vast difference between a domestic spy who sells out his country to another for personal gain and a whistleblower who tries to protect his country from corrupt officials abusing the powers granted to them.” That is either an incompetent reading of the transcript or an absolute bald faced lie. The President called the people who gave the whistleblower information close to spies, NOT the whistleblower. At least the NY Times got it right saying: “Trump Calls Whistle-Blower Source ‘Close to a Spy’ ”
    Since the article contains many biased statements. Example A: “If anything, Trump’s actions are more in line with a spy’s given that he is using his public office for private gain.” This has not been proven, not even close. The National Intelligence didn’t even initially bring the complaint forward because it didn’t meet the criteria for urgent concern. All of which is again misinterpreted in your article. Additionally the transcript of the call did not show any wrong doing, no quid pro quo. And your article does not inform the reader that the standards for accepting whistler blower complaints were recently changed from first hand account to second hand accounts. We don’t even know if people actually leaked information to the whistle blower, we just have to take his word for it, apparently. 
    Reason Magazine, are you not able to see your own bias? You owe this country, and your subscribers an honest and fair evaluation of events and of the President. I may not have voted for him initially, but he is our President and our democratic system depends on the veracity of our public news and the press’ honest intent in asking fair questions and not taking sides in the presentation of the facts.   I used to think that your magazine was “reasonable” and not biased. How wrong have I been proven. You have lost my readership and also my respect. Good bye Reason Magazine. 

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