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Whistleblower Report Alleges Trump Used Presidential Power for Personal Gain

Plus: how Paul Manafort may be involved, the Crowdstrike conspiracy theory, and more...

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"I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election…" The whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump that has fueled an impeachment inquiry was made public this morning.

"This interference includes, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President's main domestic political rivals," says the complaint, dated August 12. The writer was "not a direct witness to most of the events described" but found colleagues' accounts "to be credible because, in almost all cases, multiple officials recounted fact patterns that were consistent with one another."

It goes on to state that there were about a dozen people on the July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy. According to the complaint, this was expected to be a "routine" call and White House officials were subsequently instructed to "lock down" records of the conversation. It also says that efforts related to Zelenskiy and to digging up potential Biden dirt started long before July. (Read the whole complaint here.)

Records viewed by investigative journalist Murray Waas suggest that the initial impetus for Trump's interest in Ukraine was to suss out potential fodder for pardoning Paul Manafort and discrediting the special investigation being undertaken by Robert Mueller.

"Attorneys representing Trump and Manafort respectively had at least nine conversations relating to this effort, beginning in the early days of the Trump administration, and lasting until as recently as May of this year," Waas claims in The New York Review of Books. He continues:

Through these deliberations carried on by his attorneys, Manafort exhorted the White House to press Ukrainian officials to investigate and discredit individuals, both in the US and in Ukraine, who he believed had published damning information about his political consulting work in the Ukraine. A person who participated in the joint defense agreement between President Trump and others under investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, including Manafort, allowed me to review extensive handwritten notes that memorialized conversations relating to Manafort and Ukraine between Manafort's and Trump's legal teams, including Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

As personal lawyer and all-around fixer, Giuliani fills roles Manafort and Michael Cohen previously filled for Trump.

"The new disclosures in this story underscore how this scheme originated in the long-running coordination between Trump, Giuliani, and Manafort to frustrate the Mueller investigation," Waas sums up.

Since yesterday, when a transcript of Trump's phone call with Zelenskiy was released, Zelenskiy himself has weighed in and more information about the scope of Giuliani and Trump's meddling has come out.

ABC reported yesterday that Serhiy Leshchenko, a former Zelenskiy advisor, said "it was clear" that Trump would only talk to Zelenskiy "if they will discuss the Biden case. This issue was raised many times. I know that Ukrainian officials understood." But Leshchenko apparently disputes this:

For the Ukrainian president's part, he said on Wednesday:

I'm sorry, but I don't want to be involved in…elections of USA….We had, I think, a good phone call. It was normal, we spoke about many things, and you read it that nobody pushed it, nobody pushed me.

There's some room for interpretation in the summary of the Zelenskiy phone call that the White House put out yesterday, but it certainly isn't the good look that Trump seems to think it is.

One element that peaked interest was Trump's seemingly random mention of the private security firm Crowdstrike ("I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say CrowdStrike…I guess you have one of your wealthy people….The server, they say Ukraine has it") and the company's subsequent insistence that it has no idea why it was invoked. Crowdstrike was the firm hired by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to examine its servers, and the group that concluded "two separate Russian intelligence-affiliated adversaries" had been behind the infiltration and distribution of the DNC emails.

Trump's interest in Crowdstrike seems to be for basically bonkers conspiracy-theory reasons. First, he has repeatedly claimed the company is based in Ukraine when it's actually located in California, with no apparent connection to Ukrainians. Second, Trump appears to buy into a conspiracy theory surrounding Crowdstrike, the DNC emails, Seth Rich, and a secret server.

"Not only has he endorsed this nonsensical theory on Twitter and in press conferences," writes Andy Kroll, "but we now know he does it in private calls with foreign leaders and is using the power of the oval office to press for actual investigations."

In August, Texas financial advisor and conservative commentator Edward Butowsky filed a federal lawsuit against Crowdstrike, the Democratic National Committee, law firm Perkins Coie, and others. The suit alleges that the law firm was hired by the DNC to hide "the Russian collusion hoax" and that Perkins Coie in turn "retained CrowdStrike for the purpose of creating the false narrative that the Russian government had hacked the DNC's servers."


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  1. “I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election…”

    This tune sounds familiar.

    1. Anonymous sources say….

      1. …that it’s Butthurt City all up in here today.

          1. You are the Mayor of Butthurt City.

            1. They give me a whole AirBnb to myself. Don’t be jelly.

        1. Keep taking that pounding chipper. You’re good for nothing else.

          1. Such erudition, I have never seen before! You ARE the Champion! If I wear something nice, to include a pearl necklace, will You be my Salty Dawg?

            Cutting to the heart of the matter, Your intellect shines forth! Accordingly, I bet that You could debug the following codes in Your sleep:
            Include Hashtag (#My_Tribe_Rules) Begin Auto_Synthesize [ Interpolate ( Anode[31:0], Cathode[31:0], Elbow[31:0] ), Function ( $RU$12’hBAD ) ] ; Loop_Count <= Loop_Count + 1'b1 ;
            PrintF "Access permission denied. Please address any appeals to Putin, or, to Trump via Putin.", end; end module ;

            If You will please help me get this code to compile, they might stop calling us "witches"!

    2. Hello!

    3. Any comment on his support for a political rival of Trump’s? None?

    4. The complaint is literally just documented rumor mill. I know the credible standard was lowered after kavanaugh… but wtf. How is this more credible than 80k a year to a VPs son?

      1. It is totes credible if it was written by a woman.

        1. Hmm. Better check the complaint for the words “I feel”.

      2. A month. Whoops.

        1. I should have refreshed before committing below

      3. 80k a year? The price of Coke must have really dropped.

    5. I guess the difference between the former Secretary of State doing this and the President is that the first hired someone to do the dirty work.

    6. Hello.

    7. The lame attempts at deflection sound really familiar…

      1. “The lame attempts at deflection sound really familiar…”

        Pointing our hypocrisy is ‘deflection’ to fucking lefty ignoramuses.
        BTW, the lame attempts to somehow ‘get’ Trump are REALLY tiresome.
        Here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjvRJLUWwFs

  2. After Boehm and other non partisan media analysts spend the day discussing how we cant trust Trump to have released authentic transcripts, they decide to edit out 500 words between favor and talks of Biden from said transcript to make it look bad.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/liberal-media-deceptively-misrepresents-trump-zelensky-transcript-on-air/

    1. NPR did it too.

      It’s like the “Neo-Nazis are fine people” canard all over again. They’ll just keep repeating the lie.

      1. It’s identical to it. They go with Trump asking for a favor and then forget that the favor involved investigations into the 2016 election.

        1. “the favor involved investigations into the 2016 election.”

          It *involved* the election but only in one direction – the Crowdstrike nonsense.

          This is you softpedaling what Trump actually did.

          1. Double down on ignorance Jeff. It suits you.

          2. Shorter Jeff “lying is fine if you get Trump for me”

            1. Truer words are beyond the powers of most mere mortals! If I lose 10 or 170 pounds, can I be Your butler?

              I bet your coding skills are world-famous! Accordingly, can You PLEASE help me compile the following:
              Transubstantiate Scientological Logical-alloy, Deploy-Begin Instantiate Substantiate My_Tribe_Good_Your_Tribe_bad
              DisplayModuleCall “WARNING! Don’t stick it in crazy!”, end; end module ;

              Now if You will only PLEASE help me get this code to compile, I promise to totally forget about “that incident” with You, the goats, the green paint, the kiddie porn, and the dwarves!

              1. ” I promise to totally forget about “that incident” with You, the goats, the green paint, the kiddie porn, and the dwarves!”

                Can you make ME forget about seeing you with all that too SQRLSY? I was just trying to use the urinal.

          3. Are you even capable of rational thought?

            Mueller investigation literally ended pretty close to this call. Mueller found no evidence Trump or his team were involved in hacking the DNC servers per his report. So he asks someone who was supposedly connected, Ukraine, to help if they have the server where it was rumored to be. And you think this is trump doing what?

            How fucking stupid are you?

            1. I think this is Trump pushing a crazy conspiracy, and in only one direction – that helps him and hurts Democrats, and not as some neutral-sounding “investigation into election meddling”.

              1. Oh no, the head of a political party is looking to make the other political party look bad! This is unprecedented!

                1. Maybe we should open a 2.5 year investigation to get to.the bottom of it! Jeff is actually this dumb.

                2. The head of a political party is abusing his official position and soliciting the help of a foreign government to make the other political party look bad! Oh no!

                  No one cares that Trump tweets dumb things about Democrats. It’s the whole abuse of power thing that is problematic.

                  1. And your evidence for this abuse is a phone cal where no abuse occurred, some weird consprcscy theory about Giuliani, and 3rd party gossip.

                    But you wonder why we laugh at you.

                    1. No I get it. Because Trump didn’t say TODAY I AM GOING TO ABUSE MY POWER, he is totally not abusing his power.

                      You sit here and troll all day because you have a sad life and routinely forget to take your medicine.

                    2. TRUMP SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR REFUSING TO SEND TAX MONEY TO A FOREIGN POWER UNLESS THEY LOOK INTO CORRUPTION!! SO LIBERTARIAN!!!

                    3. Lololl so why do YOU sit her and troll all day lolololol how fucking stupid ARE you

                    4. Jeff still doesnt know what conjecture is and how it isnt fact. My god he really is retarded.

                3. Oh no, the head of a political party is looking to make the other political party look bad! This is unprecedented!

                  Trump’s not the ‘head of a political party’. Trump is the elected President of the United States. We don’t live in the UK.

                  Ronna Romney McDaniel is the head of the RNC. Mitt’s niece.

                  The chief executive of the US is seeking help in investigating corruption in the 2016 election process.

                  Because that’s part of his job.

              2. Everything you’ve discussed this week is a conspiracy you moron.

                1. Your wit and wisdom is boundless! The cheesiness of Your Grated Cheese is indeed GREAT, Oh Great Grated-Cheese Cheesy One! Blessed Are the Cheese Graters!If I make sure to brush my teeth and get a bath, will You help me with my logic homework?

                  With Your Mastery of infinity and beyond, I bet that You could help me debug the following source codes:
                  Include Hashtag (#America… Love It or Leave It) Begin Whilst_If_Forever_Invoke_ThemNotUs_Me_Wright_U_Wrong
                  DisplayModuleCall “Orange Man Bad.”, end; end module ;

                  If You’d only PLEASE apply Your Vast Skills here, to help in the debug effort, chances are good that we’d get some shiny ribbons to put on our chests!

                    1. I dont bother with sqrsly socks anymore. Only recognize his insanity as sqrsly. Maybe he can be trained.

            2. “”I think this is Trump pushing a crazy conspiracy”‘

              If Clinton let the FBI do the forensics on the server instead of taking the server to her IT people, there would not be ammo for a conspiracy. If Trump did this, you would believe he had something to hide in doing so.

              1. Hell, Trump releases a transcript of a phone call and Jeff thinks he has something to hide still.

                1. I’d like to know what Giuliani was doing in Spain in the beginning of August.

                  Wouldn’t you?

                  1. No, because I’m not a weirdo conspiracy theorist and I don’t carry anyone’s water.

                    1. Right, so you’re not carrying water for Team Trump. Nope, not at all.

                    2. My posts are right here to be read. Quote where I am then.

                  2. No.

                    I’d like to know what the whistleblower thinks they knew as the transcript shows that they knew shit about the call.

              2. “If Clinton let the FBI do the forensics on the server instead of taking the server to her IT people, there would not be ammo for a conspiracy.”

                Considering the current right-wing view of the FBI – yeah, there would still be conspiracies.

                Plus, it’s Hillary. She ordered both Seth Rich and Vince Foster murdered. Remember?

                1. Like your Giuliani conspiracies, or different because you said so?

                  1. Giuliani himself admitted that he was traveling to Ukraine in order to dig up dirt on Democrats. It wasn’t even a secret.

                    1. Which has nothing to do with this accusation, barring your conspiracy theory. So yes, exactly like your Giuliani conspiracy theory.

                    2. “”Giuliani himself admitted…”

                      Steele testified that he received money from the Hillary camp and the purpose of the dossier was so Hillary could contest the election.

                    3. Then the dossier was used by the US government to set forth a plan to contest the election.

          4. “the Crowdstrike nonsense.”

            Is this the first time you’ve argued that an FBI investigation isn’t needed to resolve a question of legality or criminal action?

            1. Well, Trump isn’t involved so it’s nothing.

              Nut no, Jeff isn’t covering for his prog fellow travelers.

            2. There is no connection between Crowdstrike and the Ukraine, except that the owner of Crowdstrike is a former Ukrainian citizen who came to the US in the 1980’s for heaven’s sake. Believing that there is some current Crowdstrike-Ukraine connection is the nonsense to which I am referring.

      2. NPR was one of the 3 links in there doing the exact same edit. It’s just coincidence they all edited the exact same way.

        1. This is basically how modern journalism works. If it hasn’t been already been coordinated ahead of time by a Journolist sharegroup, one outlet will put out their story, and then every other media bobblehead outlet will re-tweet it, cite it as fact, and pass it off as their own work rather than do real, actual journalism to call people up and find out for themselves.

      3. Media and the DNC. Enemies of the people. Change my mind.

        1. Silver lining is that Lefties are desperate at this point, Trump is definitely getting reelected.

          1. Even Goober-Mint (sneer) Almighty isn’t as smart as You are! All hail! If I wear something nice, to include high heels, can I tag along on Your coat-tails?

            You probably know every coding language world-wide! So, I bet if You could spare the time, You could help debug the following:
            Include Hashtag (#Orange_Man_Bad_UberTruth) Begin Differentiate [ Subtrahend ( Reverse[31:0], Accrual[31:0], Debenture_Bond[31:0] ), Contents ( $BR$549 ) ] ; Loop_Count <= Loop_Count + 1'b1 ;
            Invoke DisplayModule "You are being "Red Flagged". No guns, knives, or screwdrivers for YOU!", end; end module ;

            Master-Coder, PLEASE help me! If we can debug this code, I promise to totally forget about "that incident" with You, the gerbils, the cranberry sauce, and the vacuum cleaner!

              1. It has Hihn all over it; they must have furloughed him from the psych ward of Askaban prison.

                How are your dementors Hihn? Treating you ok?

    2. I have been laughing in the faces of Lefties who are trying to make this shit sandwich stick.

      Edward Snowden is a Whistleblower and Congress won’t do anything to protect him from the very Deep State that is violating the US Constitution.

      Fuck Lefties and their lies.

      1. Its literally worse than both kavanaugh shams. I didn’t think it was possible.

        1. Anyone who does not believe that Trump will be reelected by a wider margin than in 2016 is not willfully not paying attention.

          This outrage by Lefties is literally evidence that THEY know Trump will win reelection. It’s what desperate people do.

          1. I don’t know if it’s desperation or their self contained moral superiority; guess it really doesn’t matter because it all ends the same.

  3. Whistleblower Report Alleges Trump Used Presidential Power for Personal Gain

    the gasp heard ’round the world

    1. Power for Personal Gain

      Unlike any of the congresscreatures calling for Trump’s ouster.

      1. Remember when Nancy Pelosi and others were caught using insider knowledge to enrich themselves but it was totally ok because they hadn’t written a law against it.

    2. I’d ask how since Ukraine didn’t even know the aid was delayed at all until a month after the call, per the NYT.

      Now, sure, the NYT is hardly a trust-worthy source…but they wouldn’t report anything that wouldn’t harm Trump.

      1. Nyt forgets to spin occassionally.

      2. The Ukrainian government knew that Congress approved the aid.
        The Ukrainian government knew that they hadn’t received the aid yet.
        It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to figure it out.

        1. The money isn’t given out in one lump sum.

          According to the NYT, they had NO idea there was ANY delay until a month after the call.

          Try and keep up.

          1. They didn’t know about the bureaucratic details surrounding the delay in this country, yes. But they knew they didn’t yet have the money.

            1. It

              DOESN’T

              ARRIVE

              IN

              A

              LUMP

              SUM

              GOD DAMMIT HOW ARE YOU THIS STUPID LOLOLOLO

              1. So? They hadn’t receive any of it, lump sum or not.

                1. It means that a delay wouldn’t be noticed or unusual you idiot, but you know that. It’s why you’re already retreating from this stupid point.

                  1. a delay wouldn’t be noticed

                    Conjecture.

                    1. As much as yours that it would be noticed is. Mine at least has evidence.

                2. Esper and Bolden both held it up under a contemporary DoD review dumbfuck. You think trump is on the accountant’s office writing checks?

        2. Jesus Christ you’re fucking stupid Jeff.

          It’s not your McDonald’s direct deposit.

          1. There’s no way jeff is competent enough to work at McDonald’s

        3. Remember, jeff knows more than the Ukraine or the Ukrainian president.

        4. “”It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to figure it out.””

          A rocket surgeon would wait for more conclusive evidence before forming an opinion.

          1. Jeff is going to lie an claim he hasn’t formed an option, he’s just douchily pretending to be asking questions.

  4. Complaint: “A bunch of people told me that Trump threatened to withhold aid if Ukraine didn’t investigate Biden.”

    Narrator: The complainant was misinformed.

    1. I will never not hear Morgan Freeman’s voice.

      1. He did a great intro for Chappelle’s Sticks and Stones.

  5. “I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election…

    Anyone still not think that there is a Deep State of bureaucrats and sympathetic politicians working to undermine the USA and our Constitution?

    Lefties seem to have the crippling mental illness and are 100% serious about this like they were with Mueller. Trump is definitely gonna get more than 302 Electoral College votes this time.

    1. Jeff. Tony. But they are basically retarded.

      1. I like Tony, but jeff can get turked by a syphilitic bear

        1. Fuck you too, asshole.
          You should join your pal Shithead and express your violent fantasies elsewhere.

          1. Violent fantasies?

            You’re the one happy to enaghe the apparatus of state to mow down your enemies over a fake dossier and gossip.

            1. mow down your enemies

              No, just the criminals.

              1. No, you’re also going after Trump. We can see what you wrote in this thread.

                1. As I said earlier.
                  People in positions of power and public trust should be held to a higher standard. That applies just as much to Trump as it does to Biden.

                  So I am absolutely fine with investigating Biden for purported improper activities. I am also absolutely fine with investigating Trump for purported improper activities.

                  And for that I’m told to go kill myself by Nardz and other violent shitheads. While you look on and say nothing. Hmm.

                  1. Except biden and the 3 democrats who wrote to the Ukraine threatening aid.

                    1. “That applies just as much to Trump as it does to Biden.”

                    2. “Except that Biden actually openly and demonstrably threatened their aid, which Trump didn’t do”

                    3. Trump’s threats were just more subtle, that’s all.

                      But no I get it, people in positions of power should be held accountable, only if they’re Democrats.

                    4. “chemjeff radical individualist
                      September.26.2019 at 12:38 pm
                      Trump’s threats were just more subtle, that’s all.”

                      I. E. Not present. So, I was completely correct whan I said “Except that Biden actually openly and demonstrably threatened their aid, which Trump didn’t do”

                      Which makes you wrong by your own admission.

                    5. “But no I get it, people in positions of power should be held accountable, only if they’re Democrats.”

                      TRUMP SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR REFUSING TO SEND TAX MONEY TO A FOREIGN POWER UNLESS THEY LOOK INTO CORRUPTION!! SO LIBERTARIAN!!!

                  2. Just some friendly advice, jeff.
                    Your life is worthless and you’re clearly in the midst of a very painful breakdown

                    1. Nardz, fuck off.

            2. And I do notice that you never say a goddamn thing about any of the right-wingers here on this forum who engage in explicitly violent language. Hmm I wonder why.

              1. I noticed my rejoinder stung you and you started attacking me for it.

    2. “deep state” lol
      The person who leaked the info on this transcript had to be someone IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

      1. You really are that much of a tool

      2. TRUMP released the transcript, for fuck’s sake.

        As far as the complainer, gossip exists. Doesn’t mean there is anything to it.

      3. “multiple U.S. Government officials”

        I LOVE how desperate you are over this Jeff.

        1. I’ll mention that multiple government officials had no qualms lying to FISA courts to spy on a politician they did not like for literally zero reason.

      4. According to pedo Jeffey there are NO bureaucrats that work in the White House.

      5. Did you even read the fucking complaint?

  6. …Glenn Kessler factchecks “Trump’s repeated suggestions that Hunter [Biden] struck it rich with a sketchy deal in China.”

    The “failing Hunter Biden” in Trump’s tweets would look better anyway.

    1. Is Kessler arguing he DIDN’T?

      Or that noted loser and guy who was kicked out of the military drug use with no useful skills outside of being Joe’s kid Hunter made these deals without his dad’s help.

      …while flying to Beijing WITH his dad.

  7. President Trump asking a foreign government or any foreign national to get dirt on a political rival is an impeachable offense.
    Judge Napolitano’s Chambers

    Time for the Trump-Trash to throw Judge Napolitano under the bus.

    Also the acting DNI is a Nave Seal – the Trump-Trash will slander him too.

    1. Is a Nave Seal related to the Harbor Seal?

      1. A nave seal prevents water damage to the church.

    2. Napalitoan has been 0-5 on criminal predictions against trump and those on trumps orbit. In fact Flynns business partner was just acquitted this week. Another loss for Mueller and Napolitano.

      1. Nap lost his mind when Trump, correctly, decided to not name him for any court.

        Why libertarians defend him is baffling.

        1. Because he says orange man bad.

        2. Btw, Amash was the only non democrat house member to vote with pelosi on the surprise impeachment vote (the one declaring it impeachment forced by the Republican minority leader) on Tuesday to get them on record. Hes totes libertarian.

          1. Because “real libertarians” stand up for Trump. Got it.

            1. No, they call for impeachment for no reason.

              I bet Reason would’ve totally behind impeaching Obama over Fast and Furious…

              1. “no reason”

                This coming from a guy who thought Trump’s ONLY two substantive errors were (1) cruise missiles in Syria and (2) troops in Saudi Arabia.

                Lol.

                1. So name the crimes and evidence.

                  This thing you’re doing is obvious. Stand up like a fucking man and name the crimes and evidence.

                  1. Go ahead and read yesterday’s discussion. It was all laid out there.

                    But I doubt it would do a single thing to change your mind. Trump said ‘NO OBSTRUCTION NO COLLUSION’ and that’s good enough for you.

                    1. I did. You didn’t list anything there either.

                      And now you’re just pussying about the thread casting aspersions again.

                      Youd list it if you had anything.

                    2. In yesterday’s discussion it wasn’t presented by ME, you imbecile. Go read the whole thing.

                    3. Jeff was kind enough to link a CNN article, and claim it was a “transcript”.
                      Jeff’s not real bright.

                    4. Are you claiming grb offered criminal evidence retard? It was all conjecture. Again list the crimes and evidence baby jeffrey you fucking idiot.

                    5. “Jeff was kind enough to link a CNN article, and claim it was a “transcript”.
                      Jeff’s not real bright.”

                      This was an honest mistake, I posted the wrong link from my browser tabs. I corrected the mistake and posted the correct link.

                      The least you could do is acknowledge that and not condemn me for it.

                    6. Jesse, read the whole discussion.

                    7. “The least you could do is acknowledge that and not condemn me for it.”

                      Mmmmm nah. You’ll get the benefit of the doubt when you stop pretending other people said things then spend an hour blaming them because you fabricated an argument from thin air.

                      As it stands, you look like a liar who got caught and you get no absolution for it.

                    8. Caught Wearing Trudeauface
                      September.26.2019 at 11:18 am
                      I did. You didn’t list anything there either.

                      And now you’re just pussying about the thread casting aspersions again.

                      Youd list it if you had anything.

                      chemjeff radical individualist
                      September.26.2019 at 11:29 am
                      In yesterday’s discussion it wasn’t presented by ME, you imbecile

                      Jeff, admitting I was right then calling me an imbecile for being right.

                      *chefs kiss*

                2. “This coming from a guy who thought Trump’s ONLY two substantive errors were (1) cruise missiles in Syria and (2) troops in Saudi Arabia.”

                  They were his biggest ones for me. Sorry.

                  I’ll note that you still buy every conspiracy about him in spite of all of them being fabulously wrong to date.

                  1. Fuck man he still thinks the fake dossier is REAL LOLOLOLO

                  2. He blames Trump for war between SA and Yemen.

            2. No they engage the apparatus of state to investigate a man for basically nothing continuously over the course of several years.

              1. “basically nothing”

                1. Youll notice he didn’t say I was wrong.

                  Name the crime and the evidence Mr Cast Aspersions.

                  1. A fake dossier and 2nd hand gossip about a call the person wasn’t actually on.

                    You’re responsible for this shit Jeff. You and people like you pretending that is evidence and not just you being a shithead partisan

                    1. Sure. Just a “fake dossier”. Go with that.

                    2. That’s all there was to go with. That and th gossip.

                      Unless, after the 3rd try at asking you, you’d like to list what else there is.

                    3. It means that a delay wouldn’t be noticed or unusual you idiot, but you know that. It’s why you’re already retreating from this stupid point.

                    4. Huh. So Carter Page was under surveillance because of a “fake dossier”. Is that what you are going with?

                    5. Holy shit wtf CARTER PAGE?

                      WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TRUMP YOU IGNORAMUS AHAHAHAHAHAH

                      CARTER PAGE AHAHAHHHAAH

                    6. SUDDENLY IT IS ABOUT CARTER PAGE AHAHHAHAJAJ

                      HE KNOWS ALL HE HAS IS A FAKE DOSSIER AND GOSSIP SO

                      “CARTER PAGE” AHAHAHAHHA

                    7. “”Huh. So Carter Page was under surveillance because of a “fake dossier”. Is that what you are going with?””

                      That’s the only thing that it publicly known about the FISA warrant. Sure they say there was others and that could be true. But didn’t the FISA keep refusing a warrant until the dossier was added as evidence?

                    8. “But didn’t the FISA keep refusing a warrant until the dossier was added as evidence?”

                      Exactly.

                    9. Why do you guys engage Jeff? You know he’s not really here to actually debate stuff, even if he’s more polite about it then the Rev or SPB. Just ignore him, the effort can’t be worth it.

                    10. You missspelled Tulpa. He is not here to debate stuff.

                    11. You spent an hour arguing against a point no one made then blaming me.

                      THEN you ran.

                      So, yeah, we can see how much you value debate.

            3. They dont use the criminal code to go after political opponents you dumbshit.

              1. “Real libertarians” hold accountable those who wield power, not try to endlessly defend them or complain when they have it rough or serve as their unpaid shill on the Reason comment forums.

                1. So, point out where you have tried to hold the FISA abusers responsible then.

                  Or the prosecutors who railroadedPeople ike Flynns partner?

                  Your outrage is selective and in one direction.

                  1. Yup my outrage is selective, as is the outrage of every single living human being. I get more outraged over certain things more than others.

                    And yes my outrage is more directed against the right-wing than the left-wing. Because it’s the right-wing that is currently in charge. And it’s being led by a particularly buffoonish and horrible human being.

                    So yes, you nailed it completely that time. Good job.

                    1. TRUMP SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR REFUSING TO SEND TAX MONEY TO A FOREIGN POWER UNLESS THEY LOOK INTO CORRUPTION!! SO LIBERTARIAN!!!

    3. The Child porn sock is back.

      1. It. Was. Just. A. Lost. Password.

        #StopSmearingButtplug

        1. No we’re talking about the kiddie porn he posted.

        2. Reason will reset your password for you. He was banned for child porn.

    4. Can I assume you’ve finally joined the right side of history on impeachment, Mr. Buttplug? I recall earlier you said impeachment wasn’t necessary because the harsh recession would prevent Drumpf’s reelection anyway.

      Here’s the MoveOn impeachment petition again.

      1. Impeachment without conviction is a waste of time.

        1. Fuck, you sad diddler, IMPEACHMENT is a waate of time, there’s no there there.

    5. So wait, they’re right because of the jobs they did? Or above reproach?

      That makes sense to you, like posting child porn links did?

    6. Napolitano is a talking head in the corporate media circus. He’s hardly a libertarian. Why should anybody respect him?

    7. Dildo was staring at his naval when he typed this and he got distracted half way through.

  8. President Trump asking a foreign government or any foreign national to get dirt on a political rival is an impeachable offense.

    Relatively speaking?

    1. But Hillary paying Fusion GPS to get dirt on Trump from Russian intelligence is totally okay and nothing to even look into. These people have gone barking mad. They used to just be stupid and dishonest. Trump has driven them into madness.

      1. Dont forget State under Obama working with britain, Australia, and ukraine for said dirt. Not the same.

        1. And the FBI using FISA to spy on Trump. This thing was clearly planned and created out of nothing. it was meant to distract the public from something. Maybe the US attorney out in Utah is about to indict someone. Or maybe Trump is closing in on the DNC server. This didn’t just come out of nowhere. The Democrats are panicked about something.

          1. But pee tapes is far more evidence then Hunters bank account.

            1. Jeff still thinks they’re real lololol

          2. maybe Trump is closing in on the DNC server.

            Or someone else’s server?

          3. Clearly based on Obama’s video with former Ukraine President and the Biden family being involved in the area, Lefties wrongly assumed Ukraine would be part of Russia by now and all the evidence washed away.

            Now that Putin’s puppet in Ukraine is gone and Ukraine is siding with the USA, the alarm bells have went off at the DNC.

            Democrat illegal activity typically has co-conspirators. Its the co-conspirators involved with Hunter Biden and Joe Biden that are scared shitless.

            It’s like the violent criminals that didn’t know DNA was a thing and left a bunch of DNA at crime scenes before 1990s. Now they are scared shitless that evidence being used to catch them before they die as free men.

    2. But not when they do it

  9. So we have a transcript of the actual phone call and the testimony of everyone involved or with first hand knowledge of the issue and none of that shows any evidence of wrong doing. Against all that, we have a someone who heard a rumor from someone that they can’t name.

    This shit would make the prosecutors at Stalin’s show trials blush.

    1. Democrats are making maduros show trials seem on the up and up.

      1. Yea, but look who they’re playing too: the Jeffs of the world

        1. Sure. The transcript shows “no evidence of wrong doing” because it didn’t use the literal words QUID PRO QUO in bold text, repeated multiple times, and Trump saying “JUST TO BE CLEAR, I’M BRIBING YOU”.

          And even then I’m sure you all would find a way to argue that Trump didn’t really *mean* it.

          1. So tell us where we can find what it is Trump wanted in return. So far, and granted it’s only a transcript of one call, I haven’t seen any request for anything in return.

            Just because you can imagine a plausible scenario, doesn’t mean it’s true.

            1. He dispatched Giuliani. He’s the guy who did the legwork.

              1. So your answer is to go ask someone else?

                That’s what you say when you don’t have an answer.

              2. If all this is so obvious, then you should be able to do better than that.

                1. He hasn’t yet. I think he is well aware he is on the wrong side of this, it’s why all you see from him is snark and insinuation

              3. TrickyVic, you’re right in that Trump did not explicitly say on the phone call, I WANT YOU TO DO THIS THING FOR ME IN EXCHANGE FOR THE MONEY. Trump is smarter than that.

                Trump asked for two favors, then dispatched Giuliani off to meet with them. All while the money was being held up. Not long after, the money was released.

                Here is a detailed timeline of events:
                https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

                If the only evidence you will accept is Trump saying directly to Zelenskyy, “I’M BRIBING YOU”, then yeah that isn’t going to be forthcoming.

                1. “”If the only evidence you will accept is Trump saying directly to Zelenskyy, “I’M BRIBING YOU”, then yeah that isn’t going to be forthcoming.””

                  You criticism and misguided beliefs of what I’ll accept are not evidence.

                  1. Well, the transcript has been posted.
                    I also posted a detailed timeline of what happened:

                    https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

                    Putting the two together, it looks like Trump asked for favors during the call, and then dispatched Giuliani in person in order to fulfill the terms of those favors.

                    Sure, it COULD be all innocent and nothing at all happened. If you give Trump and Giuliani the benefit of the doubt. I see no reason to do that here.

                    1. This is conjecture you fucking retard.

                      “then dispatched Giuliani in person in order to fulfill the terms of those favors.”

                      It is the sum of your whole accusation.

                    2. Okay, so what do you think Giuliani was doing in Madrid in early August, meeting with Ukrainian representatives?

                      Especially considering Giuliani had canceled a trip earlier in the year that was explicitly about trying to dig up dirt on Democrats.

                    3. “Putting the two together, it looks like”

                      This is why you shouldn’t fabricate arguments Jeff. You did and now, because you do, any speculation by you is worthless.

                      You could have humbly admitted your mistake. Now you’re just a liar.

                    4. “Okay, so what do you think Giuliani was doing in Madrid”

                      That’s not evidence nor is speculation about it.

                      This is why you’re so reluctant to actually engage with this discussion, especially about evidence. You know you have a shit pile worth nothing. It’s why you’ve been sarcastically casting aspersions all morning.

                    5. Giuliani outright boasted that he was going to Europe to dig up dirt on Democrats. It’s not even a secret.

                    6. When you ask “what do you think he was doing” you are asking for conjecture. Do you not know what the word means?

                    7. Giuliani + Spain + diggin up dirt = impeach Trump for Ukraine.

                      Make the math work and don’t sound like a waterhead.

                2. Well that’s necessary for the crime dick head, so thanks for admitting he didn’t do anything.

                3. Just security?? Really?? A leftist outfit based in NYU operated by Center for Human Rights and Global Justice??

                  Weren’t you just accusing others of using partisan links yesterday dumbfuck?

                  They offered no analysis of evidence except conjecture in that timeline. There is no proof of threats by giuliani. You just bitched about conspiracy theories above.

                  God what a joke.

                  1. Do you have a better timeline?
                    Do you have evidence demonstrating events on the timeline are misrepresented
                    I don’t claim that they are the ultimate authority, only that it is a good summary of events.

                    But if you have additional information to add, please do so.

                    1. Shorter chemjeff: “PROVE THIS NEGATIVE GAIZ”

                    2. I’m not asking anyone to prove a negative. I’m presenting a source of information. If you believe the information is incorrect, please feel free to post your corrections.

                    3. “I’m presenting a source of information”

                      You’re also engaging in gross and obvious specuation, and you’re a partisan.

                      So, yeah. Worthless.

                    4. I’m presenting a source of information.
                      Either point out where it’s wrong or STFU about it.

                    5. I’d rather talk about your conjecturing after bitching about conjecturimg.

                  2. Translation: You can’t find anything wrong with it per se, but you will discount it just because I posted it.

                    I suppose if I post a link to the Bible, you’ll trash that too.

                    1. “Translation”

                      You argued for over an hour over “permanently” and then when you realize no one said it and you fabricated it, blamed me for your fabrication.

                      So we know what your translations are worth.

                    2. There you go. When you can’t win on the merits, trash the speaker. That is your modus operandi.

                    3. I told you what is wrong with it the timeline shows Giuliani went to ukraine. Full stop. The rest of the supposed analysis was conjecture. Jesus christ Jeff. Stop doubling down on stupid. This is as bad as Cohen being in Prague.

                    4. No Jeff, you admitted you misinterpreted when you got “permanently” wrong, so your attempt to summarize by snark or saying “Translation” is to be judged in light of your history of being wrong with such things.

                      You’re literally crying about your own admission.

          2. Poor Jeffrey should just stick to something he can do well.

            We at reason don’t know what that is, as it sure as hell is not careful analysis of news or in this case non-news.

          3. Even if he had pressured them, what exactly is wrong with an investigation of the Bidens?

            1. Nothing is wrong with an investigation into the Bidens. What they did smells fishy too.

              The pressuring bit, however, is just a wee bit problematic.

              1. The current document does not show any evidence of pressure being applied whatsoever. Period. But if you have other evidence, evidence, not your opinion, I would like to see it.

                1. Look, if you are only going to accept Trump stating in words “I’M PRESSURING YOU” then yeah you’ll be disappointed.

                  But this is the timeline:
                  – He delays the money
                  – He says “I have a few favors to ask of you”
                  – He dispatches his lawyer
                  – Lawyer meets with them
                  – He releases the money

                  1. “”Look, if you are only going to accept Trump stating in words “I’M PRESSURING YOU” then yeah you’ll be disappointed.”‘

                    Once again misrepresenting. Being that you will misrepresent my opinion, I can assume you would misrepresent other things too.

                    A timeline in and of itself doesn’t prove anything.

                    1. A speculation about timeline isn’t even evidence.

                    2. I said “IF you will only accept…” I didn’t state it as if it were your opinion. Geez lighten up a little bit.

                      You are right that the timeline doesn’t PROVE anything.

                    3. You create a scenario in you own mind about what I would accept, and disappointed about. I’m just pointing that out. I’m not going to crucify you with it.

                      “”You are right that the timeline doesn’t PROVE anything.””

                      A timeline isn’t even evidence. It’s a use the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

                    4. No, the timeline is EVIDENCE. It is not PROOF. It demonstrates the sequence of events.

                    5. No Jeff, the speculation necessary to construct it excludes it as evidence.

                      Come the fuck on man.

                    6. “”It demonstrates the sequence of events.””

                      It’s your speculation that is interpreting what the sequence of means. Absent your interpretation, the sequence is not evidence of anything other than a sequence.

                      Look up post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

              2. “The pressuring bit, however, is just a wee bit problematic”

                In other words, not a crime but Orange man bad

              3. Was there more or less pressure than from the letter the 3 democratic senators sent?

                1. Is that a whataboutism I am detecting from you Jesse?

                  Please keep up, the topic is Trump’s phone call.

                  1. TRUMP SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR REFUSING TO SEND TAX MONEY TO A FOREIGN POWER UNLESS THEY LOOK INTO CORRUPTION!! SO LIBERTARIAN!!!

    2. “none of that shows any evidence of wrong doing”

      If you’re going to be a mouthpiece for Trump, you might as well get paid for it.

      1. Yes Jeff, don’t point out any actual evidence or reason why my assertion is wrong. Just yell names. That will convince everyone. They will figure you didn’t make an argument out of kindness or something.

        You are a moron Jeff. Just a fucking moron.

        1. John, you should have seen him posting over at the Ace of Spades blog. Same stupid pointless and contrarian shit that always ran to the left. This is why Ace kicked his stupid ass off his site.

      2. And if you’re going to be an apologist for leftists, you might as well go hang out at Balloon Juice.

        1. Except I”m not an apologist for leftists and that irritates you to no end.

          1. Except I”m not an apologist for leftists

            Sure, that’s why you rush to defend them every time they get criticized.

            1. So I’m a “lefty” because I don’t buy into the ridiculous right-wing critiques of lefties. Is that it?

              1. Please. It’s like you think no one remembers you tripping over yourself to cry about Oberlin getting jackhammered.

                1. See there you go. Another example of where I’m called a “lefty” because I didn’t endorse the ridiculous right-wing position.

                  Oberlin was a left-right culture war issue. The protestors were the ones who caused harm to the business in question. Officials at the school had only a minor role, if any. But because Oberlin the college was found guilty, I’m supposed to rejoice? Well yeah, if I were a tribal red-teamer who celebrates whenever any leftie gets their comeuppance. But I’m not. The protestors should have been the ones on the hook, not the college. The college had deep pockets and so that is why they suffered the judgment.

                  1. “See there you go. Another example of where I’m called a “lefty” because I didn’t endorse the ridiculous right-wing position”

                    You’re called a lefty because you do things like defend them incessantly, and use government to destroy your enemies, like you’re doing now, over a fake dossier and gossip.

                    It’s like you think we weren’t here for “Russia” and didn’t see you eat that giant shit pile up and ask for seconds.

                  2. Oberlin was a left-right culture war issue.

                    Manufacturing a hate hoax and trying to get a long-time small business to go bankrupt is a culture war issue?

                    Another example of where I’m called a “lefty” because I didn’t endorse the ridiculous right-wing position.

                    Please. You were crying like a bitch about it and desperately trying to minimize the role that Oberlin and its administrators played in the protests.

                    But because Oberlin the college was found guilty, I’m supposed to rejoice?

                    When Oberlin facilitates defamation, yes, you are, you dumbfuck waste of carbon molecules.

                    The protestors should have been the ones on the hook, not the college.

                    Since the college was involved, yes, they should have. You’re just pissed that your lefty boos got cornholed.

                    1. “But because Oberlin the college was found guilty, I’m supposed to rejoice?”

                      He’s all for opposing corruption and criminals, until he loses and it’s one of his criminals.

                    2. The punishment was disproportionate to the level of involvement that Oberlin itself had to the commission of the crime. That was my entire argument and it still is. That is a fair reading of what happened. It was the STUDENTS who committed the crime and Oberlin itself had a very small role in matters.

                      You were crying like a bitch about it and desperately trying to minimize the role that Oberlin and its administrators played in the protests.

                      No. I was stating fairly what Oberlin did. You were EXAGGERATING and OVERPLAYING what Oberlin did, because Oberlin is a perceived enemy of the right. I didn’t join in the right-wing chorus and that is why you call me a lefty. Period.

                    3. Jeff, proving he’s right about you by extending your leftist argument isn’t proving what you think.

            2. I find myself defending Trump a lot and I would hardly call myself an apologist for Trump. I think a lot of people here find themselves in that position. It goes both ways.

              1. I didn’t vote for Trump and won’t now.

                Boom. Now leftist idiots, what?

          2. So, what do you think you’re doing RIGHT NOW?

            1. Right now, I’m opposing corrupt activities within my own government.

              That some lefties happen to agree with my position on this immaterial. Some righties also agree with my position on this.

              Moreover, that lefties agree with me that corruption by the President is bad, it does not automatically mean that I now agree with lefties that, say, the Green New Deal is a good idea.

              See how that works? Good. Now take your meds.

              1. “Right now, I’m opposing corrupt activities within my own government”

                Over a fake dossier and second hand gossip. You’re not opposing corrupt activities, you’re being a useful tool for the left.

                “That some lefties happen to agree with my position”

                Total coincidence. It happens constantly, and rarely if ever the other way, but just a total coincidence.it’s lotke you literally have no self awareness and think you aren’t actually a prog who doesn’t want to admit it.

  10. Are there no regulators with enough of a spine to openly reject what *they know* is manufactured hysteria?

    Nope – regulators going to regulate. Deregulate then.

  11. She tell us that the transcript does NOT show a “compelling case” for impeaching

    Looks like someone wants to win in the general election but not the primary.

    1. TULSI2020

      I look forward to the Polynesian Princess scalping Pochahontus in the October Dem debate.

      1. I shudder at the thought of the Democratic debate re-enactment that SIV will stage in his chicken coop. Mostly because of what that poor hen will have to go through to make her look like Elizabeth Warren.

        1. I’m sure you enjoyed masturbating to that thought in your room at the airbnb.

          1. I deeply envy your utterly profound thoughts! Astonishing, astounding! As permitted by the Proper Top Men, can I join Your fan club?

            You probably know every coding language world-wide! So, I bet You’d have no trouble helping me debug the following:
            Include Hashtag (#America… Love It or Leave It) Begin Preversion Subversion Module_Call Booty_Call Dude_B_Bad[32:0]
            PrintF “I’m sorry, Dave, but I’m afraid I can’t do that.”, end; end module ;

            If You’d only PLEASE apply Your Vast Skills here, to help in the debug effort, the other kids might finally STOP pulling Your hair!

  12. “The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler factchecks “Trump’s repeated suggestions that Hunter [Biden] struck it rich with a sketchy deal in China.””

    Is this still a thing? We are still saying glen Kesslers outfit isnt biased despite multiple research studies showing bias and laughable “true but other reasons” so half true ratings?

  13. So it’s a nutty conspiracy theory to wonder why the DNC gave their sergers to a private contractor instead of the FBI to search for evidence of a crime? And nuttier to want it in the hands of law enforcement?

    ENB has gone full orange Man Bad

    1. You’re misrepresenting what she actually wrote. She wrote about Trump’s believing the private contractor has connections to the Ukraine.

  14. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii) continues to strike a different note on impeachment than her Democratic presidential competitors:

    Because calling for impeachment is admitting you don’t think you can beat him.

    1. Who would have thought that the daughter of a cult leader would be the most sane Democrat.

      1. Ivanka is a Democrat?

        1. You’re so tiresome and boring.

          1. He can’t rest properly, but the little room is all he can afford.

      2. +100

        1. Tulsi has seen crazy and evidently does not want most of it.

          She has her own craziness to be part of the Party of slavery.

  15. The Anti-Defamation league has added the OK hand gesture “along with several others on Thursday to its longstanding database of slogans and symbols used by extremists.”

    Yeah, extreme biceps punchers.

    1. Holy shit do these people not know a 4chan joke?

      Fuck, there was a time where the ADL wasn’t a sad joke.

      1. When was that?
        The ADL was founded to defend the reputation of a convicted child killer.

      2. Wonder if they’re going to add hand signs from the Piru Bloods, MS-13, and other minority gangs to the mix.

      3. All it really shows is that some white supremacists are dumb suckers just like a lot of the media.

    2. “OK”

        1. DIDN’T LOOK.

          Shit.

      1. I’m offended that Windows 10 and macOS are both still using this racist term in dialogs after it has been co-opted by white supremacists.

    3. The ADL said something along the lines of, “Right-wing groups have co-opted the symbol.”

      Well, no, no, they haven’t co-opted anything, unless the rest of us roll over and concede to a tiny, fringe group that they have co-opted it. At best, they have tried to co-opt the symbol.

  16. #TrumpUkraine is the tipping point. The walls are closing in. It’s the beginning of the end.

    I was right about the #BlueWave in 2018. I’m currently being proved right about impeachment in 2019. And in 2020 I’ll be vindicated again when a Democrat wins the White House.

    Not a bad prediction record for a “troll” or “parody account”!

  17. The walls are closing in!

  18. In 2016, didn’t Clinton’s presidential campaign pay money to a law firm, in order to pay an opposition research firm, Fusion GPS, to hire a British former intelligence agent to reach out to his contacts in Moscow (former KGB agents), to ask for dirt on Trump? Asking for a friend..

    1. It’s different when Lefties use foreign spies and foreign governments to influence US elections.

    2. In addition to the Obama administration instructing the Australian and British governments to try to entrap Trump campaign associates.
      But collectivists like jeff will continue carrying their water

      1. At this point they are carrying a bucket of Lefty crap throwing it at walls, hoping anything will stick.

  19. Are there no regulators with enough of a spine to openly reject what *they know* is manufactured hysteria?

    Regulators are probably the ones keeping that factory going.

  20. So, they are continuing with the coup.

    Remove Trump and, rest assured, the results will not be pleasant.

    I am not HOPING for bloodshed…but I fully expect it.

    1. No politician on earth is worth fighting for.

      1. Patriots would not necessarily be fighting for Trump. Trump is representative of the fact that there are bureaucrats working to destroy this Republic.

        Patriots see attacks on Trump for no good reason as attacks on them. If we cannot even have elections where the rules were followed and the losers use cheating to try to win, then what’s the point of keeping up the charade.

        1. If we cannot even have elections where the rules were followed and the losers use cheating to try to win, then what’s the point of keeping up the charade.

          This. I would fight for the right not to have the outcome of a valid election undone by bureaucrats.

    2. They are not going to remove Trump from office. If they ever did, however, the mob that would descend on Washington over it would be like nothing they have ever seen. The people who voted for Trump would not stand for it. They have no idea the kind of fire they are playing with.

      1. “The Million Pitchfork March”

        1. “White Trash Revolution!”

          1. Is that code for some child porn link?

      2. They are trying to bleed him for the election by being under another year of investigation, because it is unlikely the Senate will remove him.

      3. Nothing would happen, John. People would go on with their lives.

        1. I used to think that but that is not going to be true forever. A lot would happen. You live in a bubble and totally underestimate the kind of loyalty that Trump has engendered in a lot of people. I have never seen anything like it.

          1. A lot of my friends are Trump supporters. And I spend a lot of time outside suburbia in the countryside. I know Trump has a rabid following. Nevertheless, these people have a life to lead and jobs to go to. They will fume and rage, but they will keep showing up to work.

            1. Sure they do. But, it doesn’t take all of them. There are tens of millions of Trump supporters. A few hundred thousand on the national mall showing up to start burning shit down is all it takes.

              1. I don’t know. Violence seems more like a leftist thing.

                1. Petty street violence, anyway. I don’t want to find out what the right’s threshold for violence is. Everyone has a breaking point.

                  1. Yeah, that is scary to think about. I’d like to think that people on the right have the common sense to burn down government buildings and not local shops that support the very neighborhoods that they live in, but who knows.

              2. Well, let’s hope we don’t have to find out who is right.

    3. Gee, you sound like Kurt Schlichter.

      “I’m hoping that I don’t have to shoot hippie lefties in the face… but I’m going to have to shoot hippie lefties in the face.”

      1. Hippies are rightwing now. Try to keep up.

        1. Citation needed.

          1. The Boomer generation.

      2. Hippies are Nazis that smoke dope.

    4. I’ll freak out if Mike Pence becomes President.

      1. That is something that should worry everyone.

  21. Abolish mandatory minimums.

    Reason Pitchbot says: The Libertarian Case for Mandatory Maximums

  22. Biden’s son belongs in front of a Senate committee.

  23. Google and the Lefties are trying to push that video of Obama speaking with Ukraine President from top query returns.

  24. Records viewed by investigative journalist Murray Waas suggest that the initial impetus for Trump’s interest in Ukraine was to suss out potential fodder for pardoning Paul Manafort…

    So no one is at all encouraged that the president was seeking justification for his pardon? That’s gotta count for something.

    1. Looking to see if someone actually deserves a pardon is an impeachable offense Fist. How dare Trump actually look and see if Manafort is innocent or in some way deserving of a pardon or commutation. That is treason right there.

      These people are terrifying.

    2. I’d also like to see those records. Sorry, but the press doesn’t get ANY benefit of the doubt ever again.

  25. The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler factchecks “Trump’s repeated suggestions that Hunter [Biden] struck it rich with a sketchy deal in China.”

    FACT – a half a million dollar salary per year for doing virtually nothing is chump change. That’s even below the level where Elizabeth Warren would consider you evil.

    1. She couldn’t answer the question yesterday if shed have a problem with her VPs son being on a foreign board. On video. She gets flustered. It’s hilarious.

        1. WaPo Glenn Kessler article

          Its also in ENB headlines.

  26. According to White House officials… this was ‘not the first time’ under this Administration that a Presidential transcript was placed into this codeword-level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive… information.

    I’m guessing the first time it happened under this administration isn’t the first time it happened.

    1. It’s almost like executive privilege is a thing. And almost like the resistance has been leaking transcripts of calls w foreign leaders.

  27. The complaint claims the conversation record was “locked down” on a special system even though it contained nothing remotely related to national security. So why was it classified in the first place? Perhaps the WH thought the Biden corruption allegations in themselves were potentially damaging?

    1. All forms of diplomatic communication is kept secret. You don’t generally want the world to hear what you are telling the leader of another nation in private.

      1. Yep. For “national security”.

      2. All foreign communication starts at classified confidential. This was the vast majority of the classified material on Hillary’s server. It is considered classified until reviewed and released.

      3. Unless you’re Hillary, who thinks you can store that shit on a server she owns.

        1. Yeah, but it wasn’t like a clandestine server the Clinton’s hid in their bathroom or anything.

      4. correct you don’t always want teh other countries to here you praising one leader while bashing other world leaders for not doing their part which is what is in the transcript. that said it normally doesn’t bother Trump to tell people to pay up. but standard procedures apply

      5. Also, didn’t Trump have calls to foreign leaders leaked at the start of his administration?

        Why the hell would he trust these fuckers?

  28. THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ALL THAT IT STANDS FOR. STICK TOGETHER, PLAY THEIR GAME, AND FIGHT HARD REPUBLICANS. OUR COUNTRY IS AT STAKE!

    Lol. Has a certain “L’etat c’est moi” quality to it.

    1. Nancy Pelosi still isn’t moving forward with impeachment–because she’s scared.

      I’d say you have more balls than Pelosi, but that’d probably get your panties in a bunch.

      1. What do you know that Pelosi doesn’t know?

        1. Well I know Pelosi doesn’t want all her corruption being spilled out in all of this. She understands that when you go to war, that the other side gets to shoot back.

          1. +100

      2. Ken, I’m quoting Trump’s tweet from above.

        TRUMP evidently thinks Pelosi is out to “destroy the Republican Party and all that it stands for”.

        1. Nancy isn’t doing that, she needs republicans to be that bad guy… “you need people like me, so you can point your fingers and say ‘there that’s him, that’s the bad guy'”

          But the actual talking heads of the democratic party want full submission, including socialism and the removal of meat, cars, and civil liberty. Keep pretending they aren’t, I’ll keep believing them when they say it.

        2. Trump has a knack for lumping people hated by some with people hated by most. It’s been a tactic of the media for decades, he’s the first republican to fight back.

          What may I ask are the democrats pursuing policy wise? Because if you look at their agenda it has nothing but “orange man bad” listed for the next year and a half

          1. +100

          2. Well you can see the bills that the House has passed over the past year. Gun control, public funding of elections, something called “paycheck fairness” which sounds cringeworthy.

            You can blame the media outrage complex for focusing on only the items that drive people in paroxysms of rage.

            1. They’re all cringeworthy. We should be so lucky they haven’t done a damn thing and have no policy. Orange man bad isn’t a winning strategy, its a fundraising one

    2. Not at all. But then again, the left think Trump is Literal Hitler. So no surprise. Can I get a Kublai Khan?

    3. I accidentally hit the stupid flag for review button. Didn’t mean to. I hate typing on a phone. Sorry. Fwiw I ask Reason to ignore.

      1. The stupid flag is the correct flag for all Jeff posts.

        1. Isn’t it your turn to suck Hawley’s dick this morning? Or maybe it’s Giuliani’s dick. Or maybe you got promoted to sucking the Tiny Orange Dick itself.

          1. “Isn’t it your turn to suck Hawley’s dick this morning? Or maybe it’s Giuliani’s dick. Or maybe you got promoted to sucking the Tiny Orange Dick itself.”

            Jeff turned 5 today.

          2. Jeff, can we tone it down with all the dick sucking comments ? I mean, I like where your head is at, constantly thinking about dicks and dick sucking, but I read these comments to my kid’s every morning while I drive them to school and it’s getting harder to come up with appropriate replacements that fit the situation. Maybe just say ‘Isn’t it your turn to shake Hawley’s hand this morning?’ etc.
            Thanks.

          3. I wonder why somebody as tolerant as you resorts to gay innuendos so quickly when you disagree with somebody.

            1. Same reason that lefties always think of a penis every time they see a gun.

      2. You permanently landed on the stupid flag.

  29. “”I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election…” “”

    So why didn’t those officials file a whistleblower complaint? Since they are not the complainant, I don’t think they get anonymity like the complainant does.

    1. Good observation.

  30. I could be wrong but it looks like in this Roundup, Reason has devoted more words to utter bullshit than it did to 3 years of an attempted coup.

    1. My scroll wheel is on the verge of destruction.

    2. Don’t forget 8 years of war crimes. Then another three.

      I’d much rather read Shikha articles that ignore the obvious problems of combining welfare state and open borders than argue about some dumb phone calls, at least those include libertarian thought.

      There used to be a whole lot of “left-right=zero” but now it seems to be about “left+right=clicks”

  31. I want to remind people that before this whistleblower thing broke not only was trump was reaching as high as 53% approval from noted conservative shill polling rasmussen. But was getting consistantly above 48% from more neutral outlets. It was so bad WAPO had an article about it Sunday pointing to anonymous signs for dems. Trumps approval was higher than Obamas at this point 2011. So that’s kind of what this was all about. Whistlblower’s lawyers comes from an outfit that pays for leaks and has worked closely with dems in the past.

    1. I don’t think they ever thought he’d release the transcript. So this backfired on them, but they needed something. I just can’t get over the knee capping of Biden to do it.

      1. Trump is really good at flipping the script on Lefties. He knows that he is clean, so anytime the Lefties trying to get shit to stick to walls, Trump dumps something that hurts Lefties.

        As you said, Lefties didn’t think Trump would release the actual transcripts. Trump looks at this as an excellent opportunity to get others looking at Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and it had nothing to do with Trump doing it or his campaign. Its fucking genius!

        Hillary tried this tactic with the pee dossier and British/Russian spies and it backfired.

      2. And meanwhile donations pour into RNC coffers.

  32. So let me understand this…whistleblower laws allow an anonymous witness to accuse someone of criminal behavior based on hearsay evidence, and this is a good thing under a legal system where the accused has a right to face their accuser?

    1. TRUMP WILL WIN REELECTION IF SOMETHING IS NOT DONE!

      Something must be done!

      If you see something, say something.

    2. I think the idea behind it is that the someone being accused isn’t just another citizen; they are powerful enough to crush the accuser if their identity were revealed.

  33. Considered as a practical matter, for a scandal to take hold several things must happen :

    (1) It mustn’t burn out early, but have new fuel to feed the fire. The news today includes multiple reports of Trump attempts to make the Ukrainians service his needs dating back to April. The whistleblower complaint includes many new details as well.

    (2) It mustn’t be vulnerable to a he-said/she-said counterattack : The call transcript accomplished that on its own, but the whistleblower complaint also included names of multiple witnesses, some of whom the Inspector General has already interviewed.

    (3) It mustn’t be vulnerable to a counter-narrative. The Right’s meme on Biden firing Shokin is a nonstarter, at odds with a Mt Everest of documented facts. It was a nonstarter yesterday and will be likewise tomorrow. Read Rightists who feel the need to be “serious” vs “fever swamp” (I use the National Review) and you see it already written off.

    (4) Having the scandal party act guilty is pure gold. The whistleblower complaint includes details of how records of the Ukrainian call was treated differently than any corresponding call. These details are factual : It can be established if they happened or not. The complaint names people who reacted to Trump’s transgressions with panic and attempted a clean-up.

    (5) Finally, there is a marker in the reaction of the scandal party’s supporters. The spittle-spraying sputtering rage of Trump toadies in these comments is a klaxon-horn of desperation.

    It also has good entertainment value……

    1. Looks like someone realizes this absurdity is not going to work and has a sad. Life is hard dude and even harder if you are stupid.

    2. The spittle-spraying sputtering rage of Trump toadies in these comments is a klaxon-horn of desperation.

      Unlike the “impeach the motherfucker” histrionics of the accusers.

      1. Both are entertaining.

    3. But a modest goal could be accomplished anyway.

      Trump won’t get impeached but he could be tarnished enough to lose reelection. When the Wingnut Party concocted a fake scandal like Benghazi it had an effect even though it was entirely made up.

      1. Sarah Palin’s Buttplug
        September.26.2019 at 10:31 am
        “Trump won’t get impeached but he could be tarnished enough to lose reelection.”

        Or turds like you could turn it into a landslide; time for Trump to be grooming a successor.
        Oh, and turd? The hag sill won’t be POTUS; go whine somewhere else.

      2. “Trump won’t get impeached but he could be tarnished enough to lose reelection.”

        But you already made clear he would lose in 2020 regardless, because he caused a harsh recession.

        You need to stop thinking about impeachment in terms of how it might affect 2020. Again, 2020 was always a lock for Democrats because incumbent parties simply cannot win in an economy this bad. Instead, impeachment should be viewed as the only appropriate response to #TrumpRussia and #TrumpUkraine. (And the concentration camps too.)

      3. “…entirely made up.”

        wait, I thought it was totes a spontaneous demonstration in response to a Youtube video?

      4. Kinda like #RussiaGate?

      5. “”When the Wingnut Party concocted a fake scandal like Benghazi it had an effect even though it was entirely made up.””

        I always find this funny. Investigating the deaths of US citizens at a US embassy that occurred at Benghazi is a Wingnut thing. But let’s cry foul when the US doesn’t investigate the death of a non-US citizen journalist at a foreign embassy.

    4. “The spittle-spraying sputtering rage of Trump toadies in these comments is a klaxon-horn of desperation.”

      Poor fucking lefty ignoramus grb! Poor shit is losing again!
      Life is so unfair; grb always loses, but he’s always on the right side of things, right you miserable piece of shit?

    5. grb
      September.26.2019 at 10:21 am
      “Considered as a practical matter, for a scandal to take hold several things must happen :…”

      BTW, you left out that someone other than fucking lefty ignoramuses needs to find it credible.
      You lose.

  34. If you’re in D.C., come hang out with us tonight:

    Need more details on audience participation before I make a decision.

    1. Where are you going to be?

      1. Outside Baltimore, but for free whores I’ll make the 45 min trip.

        1. Free whores are worth what you pay for them.

        2. Are you thinking they might be giving out samples like a Costco? Seems doubtful considering the forum is about the legality of getting paid for sex.

          Maybe you have a coupon?

  35. More bad economic news.

    Charles Koch current net worth: $59.7 billion

    I bet our billionaire benefactor is just as happy as I am that Drumpf’s Presidency has effectively been ended by #TrumpUkraine. The tariffs and immigration restrictions have destroyed our economy, hitting Mr. Koch especially hard. I mean, a net worth under $60 billion? Unacceptable!

    #DrumpfRecession
    #VoteDemocratToHelpCharlesKoch

  36. Excellent as (almost) always, but it’s “pique” interest, not “peak”. Like anyone under a hundred and ten gives a damn, right?

  37. Anonymous whistleblower comes forward with multiple first hand collaborating witnesses or it didn’t happen.

  38. At this point, as soon as I read the accusing words “Trump said…”, my eyes glaze over. It’s always something from the accusers, and usually something retarded. Shouting “Squirrel!” and pointing randomly is more rational than what they’re doing. Who knows? At some point, Trump might actually do something illegal but by then, nobody even marginally sane will be listening anymore.

    Would it be too much trouble for the whole pack of deranged democrats to take a timeout to read “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” and perhaps reflect, for just a moment, on what they’re doing? Alas, I suspect it would.

    1. I don’t understand why they can’t just disapprove of his policies. If you don’t like Trump’s policies, say so. There is nothing wrong with that. If you think he is a bad President because of that, that is not unreasonable. Why they can’t do that and can only come up with one bat shit crazy thing after another is beyond me.

      1. Admit he’s legitimate?

        How gauche.

      2. They desire hate. They need a Goldstein.

      3. They disagree with his politics openly and often.

        He’s also committed impeachable offenses by the dozens.

        Even though for some reason Republicunts don’t have to ever account for their past beliefs or horribleness, I encourage you to keep standing by Trump. This will surely turn out well for you.

        1. And Bush was Hitler, and Mitt Romney was a white Supremacist. We know the routine. At some point don’t you ever get tired of being a hateful moron who is manipulated into believing whatever you masters tell you to believe? Is thinking for yourself that hard?

          Let me let you in on a secret. It is not 1943, you are not in France, and you are not in the RESISTANCE. You are just another dimwitted partisan with delusions of grandeur. Nothing about your political beliefs make you a good or a worthy person. You are not fighting some noble fight against anything. You are just another asshole with an opinion.

          Get over it. Go get a life and figure out a way to stop hating yourself and come up with some reason to have some self worth that don’t involve your bizarre political beliefs. It will be better for everyone and most of all you.

          1. +100

          2. as always great response John

          3. Trump extorted a foreign head of state in order to get dirt on his political opponent.

            1. If your team did the exact same thing would you be in a tizzy or would you dismiss it? Everyone here knows you would dismiss it. Because your team has no principles other than might makes right.

              1. True story. Bill Clinton extorted his biggest critic Robert (Say) McIntosh into staying silent when Clinton ran for president.

                McIntosh’s kid was arrested for cocaine possession. Some say the arrest was political, but perhaps it was really valid. Clinton tells McIntosh that if he keeps his mouth shut he would get his son out of prison early.

              2. My team can’t so much as send a personal email on a work account without it being a cosmic scandal.

                I picked a team because it is more moral, has standards of decency, has actual ideas instead of retarded agitprop, and can’t commit vast crimes and misdemeanors and be forgiven by the “moral arbiters” of our society.

                Fix your own self, son.

            2. No he didn’t. There is absolutely no evidence of that. Moreover, the Democrats spent the entire 2016 election working with the Russians to get dirt on Trump. So, you can’t claim to be so upset about Trump supposedly doing it if you didn’t care when democrats did it, and you didn’t.

              Trump released the transcript. There is nothing there. The President of Ukraine says Trump never pressured him to do anything. The only evidence Trump did comes from a single person with no firsthand knowledge of the issue who says he heard a rumor that this happened. Literally he says he heard from someone, whom he can’t name, that this happened.

              Tony, as much as I kick you around, you are not completely brain dead. You know that this is bullshit. You only claim it isn’t because it allows you to have delusions of grandeur about your politics. You are not convincing anyone and you just look crazy. Moreover, telling yourself lies is never good. Just for once in your life face reality as it is.

            3. Tony, there is literally zero evidence of this. At all.

              1. Except for the transcripts.

            4. “”Trump extorted a foreign head of state in order to get dirt on his political opponent.””

              Except the person you say was extorted disagrees when he said no one pressures him but his 6 year old daughter. When an alleged victim disagrees about what happen, a case is usually dropped. So no extortion.

              If using foreign entities to get dirt on your political opponent when you are an active member of government is unlawful then you would have to admit Hillary broke that law when her campaign paid for the Steele dossier.

      4. I think it has to do with the inability of progressives to accept that the people who they dismiss as hicks in flyover country rejected The Most Qualified Candidate Ever in favor of Donald Trump. When your entire political platform consists of cramming your preferred policies down the throats of unwilling people you condescendingly relate to as inferiors, it’s certainly got to be disorienting to find yourself on the losing end when the votes are all tallied.

        1. I think that is part of it. And also that they get their entire sense of self worth from their politics. If Trump is just a President they don’t like, then they are not special. If he is the worst thing ever, then they are special people fighting the noble fight against evil. It is pathetic. But such are the wages of getting your self worth from your politics.

          1. “And also that they get their entire sense of self worth from their politics.”

            There’s the problem right there. How sad is it, that your self worth is defined by your ability to force unwilling people to do things they don’t want to, because you know better than they do what’s in their own best interest?

          2. This. As a somewhat old fart, I find their constant wailing that we are living in some sort of horrible Dark Ages pathetic and amusing. The 1970s were worse, and we survived that and even had some good times.

            My parents looked at the complaints about the 70s and said “hold my beer” since they experienced the Great Depression and World War 2 without anywhere near as much hysteria as today’s “progressives”.

            1. They all have 60s envy. They all want some great cause to fight for and hate that they live in basically stable boring times. It takes an enormous fool to want to face uncertain times and great evil. But they are the fools who are up to the task.

              1. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part. And we’re just the guys to do it.

        2. I think it has to do with the inability of progressives to accept that the people who they dismiss as hicks in flyover country rejected The Most Qualified Candidate Ever in favor of Donald Trump.

          No, it’s the inability of progressives to accept that they lost to people they believe to be dumb hicks. Trump’s just the scapegoat.

          1. +100

          2. They don’t hate Trump. Trump has been in the public eye for over 30 years and Progressives never had an issue with him. Who they hate are his supporters and by extension Trump for daring to represent their interests.

            Anyone who thinks Progs wouldn’t start murdering large numbers of people in this country if they ever got the chance is kidding themselves.

            1. “Anyone who thinks Progs wouldn’t start murdering large numbers of people in this country if they ever got the chance is kidding themselves.”

              Well yeah, it’s called tolerance. Tolerant people don’t tolerate intolerance, and large numbers of people in this country are intolerant. So in the name of tolerance those intolerant people must be murdered. Then we can get on with being tolerant and inclusive.

      5. “Why they can’t do that and can only come up with one bat shit crazy thing after another is beyond me.”

        Because the left considers ad hominem attacks to be valid arguments. His policies are bad because he’s a bad person. What about the policies is bad? Him, that’s what! Trump is a bad person so his policies are bad!

        1. That is exactly it sarcasmic. Leftists believe the validity of your position is determined by your character not the merits of the position itself. If you are a bad person in their view, you are wrong regardless of the facts or logic.

          The case of the kid in Iowa who raised all of the money for the children’s hospital is a perfect example of that. A non leftist sees that as a feel good story and doesn’t even think to wonder what his “character” is like. The leftist reporter looked at him and thought “what if he is a bad person or holds wrong opinions? We need to do a background check”. It is sick.

          1. Principals, not principles.

  39. My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.

    1. Sounds credible. Run with it.

    2. So basically, the whistleblower is REO Speedwagon.

    3. Mueller….Mueller…..

      1. lol +1 something -doo economics.

  40. also, objection hearsay.

  41. Can we at least agree that the Republican theory that skeezy businessmen make better political leaders than actual politicians is hereby debunked?

    1. The Democrat presidential primary debates are demonstrating the contrary.

    2. Poor Tony and Team Blue.

      Imagine how insane they will be after Trump wins reelection. I thought they used up all their insanity during 2017 and 2018 but I was wrong.

      1. Oh lc, keep being a dolt forever. They love you for it.

        1. Poor troll wearingit.

          So desperate for someone to talk to it.

        2. Are you talking about yourself wearingit? My advice is to stop being a delusional moron and start seeing reality as it is. Stupid and delusional never works out well for anyone.

    3. Other than being terrible on trade, Trump really isn’t that bad of a president. He’s a bombastic buffoon to be sure, but what does that have to do with his policies?

    4. Trump’s far cleaner than Hillary, Biden, or Obama.

      I mean, he’s been demonized for years now and the press has turned up jack shit.

      1. True, but they are beyond impeachment now because the GOP when they controlled both houses of Congress, restrained themselves. When Dems impeach Trump, it will set off a precedent for whatever party controls the House to impeach a president of another party. Maybe perpetually focusing the House on impeachment will not leave them time to legislate more socialism.

      2. Consult other parts of the press.

    5. No

    6. “Can we at least agree that the Republican theory that skeezy businessmen make better political leaders than actual politicians is hereby debunked?”

      Hmm, let’s see…
      That crooked hag who stole the WH silver, sold political access while she was a sitting SoS, set up her own comm system to bypass any FOIA requests, compared to Trump who is guilty of being Trump.
      No, shitbag. You STILL lose.

    7. “”Can we at least agree that the Republican theory that skeezy businessmen make better political leaders than actual politicians is hereby debunked?”‘

      Bloomberg was a much better mayor that de Blazio. So no, it’s not debunked.

    8. Can we at least agree that the Republican theory that skeezy businessmen make better political leaders than actual politicians is hereby debunked?

      Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot agree!

    9. Trust you to not notice that actual politicians ARE skeezy businessmen.

    10. Advancement of that theory has not been exclusive to Republicans.

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  43. “People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook. Well, Trump is not a crook.” — Richard M. Nixon.

    1. One thing is for sure, Nixon was not nearly as much of a crook as Democrats have been for decades.

      Luckily, we won’t have to deal with the Democrat Party much anymore. They don’t even realize that they are relegating themselves to regional instead of national politics.

      1. It’s amazing that Nixon got nailed given what his direct predecessor did.

        1. His direct predecessor did not have enough hubrus to guarantee getting caught.

  44. Ahh yes- so obstructed clearly in the first investigation and then thought, why not invite more foreign interference?

    Nail his ass to the wall if he’s guilty. Anybody who wants rule of law would agree, no? Or are you all just lackeys and morons?

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    2. Guilty of what? You can’t seem to explain that. You have the man, now you are going to find the crime. You are all about the “Rule of Law” you know.

      1. Abuse of power, John. God, you guys are dumb. Want some links?

        1. Abuse of power that you can’t name. You people are lunatics.

          1. And obstruction of justice.

            1. “And obstruction of justice.”

              More lefty bullshit from a lefty bullshitter.

            2. Deleting Emails under subpoena is obstruction of justice. But I don’t see you complaining about that.

        2. LeaveTrumpAloneLibertarian
          September.26.2019 at 11:42 am
          “Abuse of power, John. God, you guys are dumb. Want some links?”

          Sure! We need a good laugh.

    3. wearingit
      September.26.2019 at 11:16 am
      “Ahh yes- so obstructed clearly in the first investigation”
      Bullshit claim

      “and then thought, why not invite more foreign interference?”
      And more bullshit.
      Did you have a point, other than making bullshit claims?

    4. But what about mens rea?

    5. A merry band of pro-Trump commenters, who seem to not have any other demands on their time, have moved into the Reason commentariat in the past few months.

  45. “I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election…”

    El oh el.

  46. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii) continues to strike a different note on impeachment than her Democratic presidential competitors:

    Tulsi! Tulsi! Tulsi!

    1. Pretty hilarious how the DNC is blind to the fact that a lot of people across the aisle would be perfectly fine with Tulsi beating Trump in 2020, despite the fact that she supports a lot of stupid shit being pushed by the party at large.

      1. Gabbard as President with a Republican Congress would not be the worst outcome, especially if RBG keels over and is replaced by Trump before he leaves office. I would prefer Trump but I would take Gabbard and a R Congress over any of the other Democratic candidates by a mile and then some.

        1. There’s really nothing that Trump could hammer her on that would do much in the way of damage. Call her a cult member? Who gives a shit? At least she’s shown evidence at moderating her positions, can talk to the few remaining white working class members of the party who haven’t jumped ship without coming across as condescending, and most important (to me, anyway), she’s openly calling for the end of American interventionism in the Middle East. And unlike Trump, there won’t be a lot of neocons orbiting around her trying to convince her that the party rank-and-file would think that pulling out of there would be disrespectful to the troops.

          This woman gutted Kamala Harris, a media and DNC darling, on national TV. Trump’s carny act wouldn’t faze her a bit.

  47. The Johns of the world think that we’re out for political gain because that’s the only value that the Johns of the world retain, and they can’t imagine other people actually possessing a moral core. Let’s call it psychopathy+.

    Does it really matter if John actually believes that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex slave ring from a pizza restaurant? It’s the difference between stupidity and mendacity. Who gives a fuck. You’re irrelevant to the world except to the extent that you are destroying it for no other reason than protecting your provincial horseshit beliefs from reality.

    Trump is a great president. The greatest. He says so. And what is a libertarian but a person who believes everything that comes out of the mouth of a fake-baked demented political leader?

    1. “Does it really matter if John actually believes that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex slave ring from a pizza restaurant?”

      Good lord, is Mr “RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!” actually mocking somebody for believing a laughable conspiracy theory (that he, to the best of my knowledge, never once claimed to believe)?

      1. Tony is an expert straw man slayer.

      2. What are you asserting is false about the Mueller report?

        I’ll wait.

    2. Tell us all how morality works, Tony.

    3. Riiiiiight… Impeachment at this stage of the game is the moral center of the Democratic party coming to the fore. It has nothing to do with attempting to muck with what is an increasingly likely Trump re-election in 2020 due to the hilariously awful DNC front-runners- and their mostly awful back-bench.

      But sure, Biden’s your man.

      1. Hell, the Dems were able to see the future, given that impeachment resolutions were being passed Trump’s first month in office.

        1. Sorry, proposed. Not passed.

    4. No one on here has ever claimed that Hillary Clinton ran a sex ring. Again Tony, you just lie to yourself to feel important and avoid reality.

  48. Build the wall, lock her up, drain the swamp, burn it all down.

    The wall’s not built, she’s not locked up, the swamp’s not drained – guess we’re moving on to burning it all down.

    You know why the Trumpalos support Trump no matter what? Because they don’t give a fuck about the Rule of Law. Know why they don’t give a fuck about the Rule of Law? Because people like Hillary Clinton skate on shit that would get one of the Little People thrown under the jail because the Rule of Law only applies to the Little People. I mean, day after day we see the Brickbats here on Reason where the King’s Men get away with shit no mundane would be allowed to get away with – how long do you expect people to play by the rules when it’s obvious the other side doesn’t play by the rules?

    It’s the same reason people support the crazies like Bernie Sanders – literally anything is better than the fucked-up shit we got going on now in Washington. Why not steal and lie and cheat and rape and pillage while we’re at it? Our Lords and Masters get away with it, it’s our turn now.

    Go ahead and impeach Trump, we’ve tried the soap box and the ballot box and you’re rigging the jury box, you know what comes next. Trump is not destroying America – he’s the last hope for saving it. The fact that a fucking avowed socialist is seriously in the running for the highest office in the land rather than standing barefoot on a street corner drunkenly yelling at pigeons is a pretty good indication that she ain’t worth saving.

    1. “You know why the Trumpalos support Trump no matter what? Because they don’t give a fuck about the Rule of Law.”

      You should seek treatment.

      1. Sevo,

        You missed the part where he said:

        Trump is not destroying America – he’s the last hope for saving it. The fact that a fucking avowed socialist is seriously in the running for the highest office in the land rather than standing barefoot on a street corner drunkenly yelling at pigeons is a pretty good indication that she ain’t worth saving.

        I have seen JK post some knee-jerk reactionary comments, but this is an astute observation borne of frustration with the shitshow that is American politics today. I even like the way he phased it.

        Civil discourse requires listening (or reading) to the end of the comment before deciding whether you agree or disagree. Otherwise, you just look like a dick.

        1. Sevo… Civil discourse

          Lol

          1. Also unicorns! Don’t forget unicorns! They exist, too!

    2. Bernie Sanders – literally anything is better than the fucked-up shit we got going on now in Washington.

      The Dotard is terrible but Bernie?

      THEY ALL SUCK!

  49. Whisteblower complaint released:

    Hmm, got the basic timeline of the call wrong. Of course, the whistleblower didn’t HEAR the call or SEE the transcript. His info is, of course, second hand. (complained Trump brought up Giuliani and the Biden investigation. He did neither, for example).

    Complaints that Trump classified the transcript “too highly” basically. Seems like a lame complaint given that the IC has LEAKED info in calls between Trump and world leaders. I’d have advised him to classify all such material very, very highly.

    Complaints about Rudy Giuliani based on THIRD hand accounts (people heard from other people). Referencing Ferris Bueller’s Day Off don’t seem out of bounds. People told other people who told the complainer that there were concerns about national security. Nobody DIRECTLY involved seems to agree.

  50. If only Trump had typed out “Hey Ukrainian President. I need a favor. Mugsy across the street has been saying bad things about me. Can you look into what his son has been doing. I heard he was in your country. I’ll send my lawyer over there to help you’se out. I’ve got a bunch of missiles and crap in it for you” on his phone with an old OS version while not running a VPN then you guys would be upset. I got it.

    1. If only you had one bit of evidence, then maybe those who are not fucking lefty ignoramuses would believe you bullshit.
      You don’t. They don’t.
      Fuck off and die.

      1. Funny how some people have such a low bar to believe shit, but then raise the bar when their party is in power.

        1. Hillary didn’t break any laws. Some of those emails didn’t say “classified” on them. How was somebody who had a role in CLASIFYING emails supposed to know that they were classified or not?

          1. I didn’t know what the letter C meant!

  51. So, this is interesting. As of this morning I cannot reply to anything under my regular login. I checked my comments from yesterday and the comment I posted under Ronald Bailey’s article on AGW yesterday shows ‘Your comment has been flagged for moderation’, but it contained no links (nor profanity, nor off-topic commentary). Ron Bailey even responded directly to my comment in the thread. That entire comment thread including my comment and Ron’s reply are not visible when not logged in to that account.

    I have seen my comments flagged before when trying to post multiple links, but it never prevented me from making new comments.

    Sad Piggy Face :P(

    1. Sometimes people go to reply to a comment, and hit the flag button accidentally when the screen loads in a weird manner. If your comment got flagged, I doubt it was on purpose.

      1. It was on purpose. I flag all comments.

  52. chick in the burger dress is growing on me

  53. “Whistleblower Report Alleges Trump Used Presidential Power for Personal Gain”

    Seeing as he is the president and as a result has presidential power I think anything he does could potentially provide him with personal gain since he is a US citizen.
    According to the transcript of the phone call it looks like the “presidential power” he used was being able to get a phone call with the Ukrainian president. (I’ve been trying for weeks and he won’t pick up or return my calls)
    If you’re the president, call a president of another country, and inquire about something a US citizen did then, well, who cares? How is that a no-no?

    1. Chemjeff clearly missed the window for his meds. 64 posts. The rest are mostly Tulpa trolling him.

  54. If Trump wanted “personal gain”, he’d stop being president and go back to being a billionaire.

    It’s in everybody’s best interest if Trump is re-elected. Gag.

  55. Whistleblower whistles for personal gain.

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