Navy Confirms Authenticity of UFO Videos Published by Blink-182 Frontman's Extraterrestrial Research Organization

The videos show a U.S. military jet's encounter with what appears to be a fast-moving, unidentified object.

Former Blink-182 frontman Tom DeLonge's extraterrestrial research organization has gained some much-needed credibility following the U.S. government's confirmation that three videos published by the group in 2017 and 2018 do in fact show unidentified flying objects (UFOs).

"The Navy designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena," Joseph Gradishe, official spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, told the news website The Black Vault in an article dated September 10.

The first two of these videos were published in December 2017 by To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences (TTSA), a group DeLonge helped found in 2015, on the same day The New York Times published them as part of a story on the U.S. Department of Defense's efforts to track UFOs.

A third video was released by TTSA in March 2018.

The videos show cockpit footage from a Navy F/A 18 Super Hornet crew's encounter with a small, quickly moving UFO that appears to have no wings or source of exhaust.

TTSA originally claimed that the videos had been declassified. According to Gradishe, they were never cleared for release.

"The Navy has not released the videos to the general public," he told The Black Vault.

While the authenticity of the videos has been confirmed, what they actually show is still a complete mystery.

Nevertheless, the Navy's confirmation that the videos are in fact real will no doubt fuel debates about the potential existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life and the continued relevance of pop-punk.

 

Comments

[Ron]

I hope theres intelligent life out there since theres none here

[Ron]

actually I thinks it a pretty awesome admission

[loveconstitution1789]

That there are "Unidentified Flying Objects"?

Big leap from UFOs to alien life confirmation.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

I should introduce you to some of my co-workers.

Not that they're aliens, but any evidence (or lack thereof) if confirmation of alien life to them.

[Ron]

did you see the videos they are doing things that we can't they may be alien if not a natural phenomenon. I'm always hopeful anyway

[loveconstitution1789]

I'm up for other life. It would be pretty shocking that this is the only planet of its kind that can support life and we just happened to be that life.

I always joke that we are a penal colony where our ancestors were dropped off here for being Alien undesirables.

[Granite]

It’s all holograms done by the military. See Emmanuel Dehlinger’s “ ovnis armee the military unmasked. “

[IceTrey]

Have you never seen what crows are capable of?

[John]

If you believe in aliens visiting earth, you have to believe that the standard model of understanding the universe is wrong. Interstellar travel is completely impractical under the laws of physics as we know them.

I don't know how to explain this. But it seems like it is more likely to be some kind of strange natural phenomena than aliens.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Do you really believe that the laws of physics as known today are any limit on what will be discovered in 100 years?

Might as well judge airplanes and electronics and weaponry now by what was known in 1919.

[BLPoG]

Do you really believe that the laws of physics as known today are any limit on what will be discovered in 100 years?

Yes. [1]

Might as well judge airplanes and electronics and weaponry now by what was known in 1919.

Yes. [2]

[1] Entropy is the real deal.

[2] The first patent for a jet engine was filed in 1921. While it took time to become standard, the basic aerodynamic principles of flight were worked out fairly quickly in the decades following the Wright brothers. Actually, most of the really fundamental principles had already been worked out - the rest was engineering.

As for electronics, with the exception of understanding quantum phenomena, most of that had been worked out as well (with improvements being in engineering).

With the exception of on-board computing and nuclear weapons, the basics of modern weaponry were pretty well established in 1919. There is a reason the model 1911 is still around.

Your examples are terrible.

[John]

The basic science of nuclear weapons was worked out by the mid 1930s. The Manhattan project was an incredible feat of engineering but very little new science was done.

[BLPoG]

Good point. Similar to the jet example, then. It baffles me that so many people buy into this "all of our knowledge will be subverted and/or meaningless" in X years idea.

We do, in fact, know some things, and there are great many other things we can say with high confidence from those fundaments.

[BearOdinson]

I wouldn't categorically say interstellar travel doesn't/won't/can't happen. However, as BLPoG alluded to entropy is a bitch!
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this ain't rocket science.
The speed of light in vacuum is a "hard limit" (just like my wife and anal sex!).
So our choices are:
1) Deal with it and spend a LONG time traveling. This would take Incredible patience on the part of the traveling species (either through generation ships, or some sort of suspended animation);

2) Tunnel "through" space to make the distance shorter (i.e. the diameter of a ball instead of going around on the surface). This means stable wormholes. Good luck with that. The only thing that can hold open a wormhole is "exotic matter". And matter with a negative energy density has yet to be even hinted at existing;

3) Or bend space-time to shorten the distance (folding space, or space warps, etc.) This would required the ability to manipulate gravitational fields on a scale that is literally mind-numbing. No, annihilating some protons with anti-protons isn't going to do it, Mr. Scott.

There really aren't any other choices.

[Juice]

“hard limit” (just like my wife and anal sex!)

Is a hard limit some kind of attachment for her strap-on?

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

There really aren’t any other choices.

2 words: ludicrous speed.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

I'm sure there are other possibilities, all in the realm of your 2,3. The point is that today's science is not the end of knowledge any more than 1919's science was. I think you agree with that, and the short-sighted pessimists don't.

[Agammamon]

But there's still the correspondance principle. All the new science still has to explain the old observations. So Relativity will certainly be overthrown - but it won't be thrown out. Relativity ecompasses Newtonian physics and expands on it. Whatever replaces relativity will have to do the same. So, to travel FTL, it will have to have some sort of framework that both allows FTL *and doesn't contradict relativity where relativity has already been confirmed*.

The means somehow allowing FTL while still not allowing special frames of reference. Its possible to do that but in such a situation FTL is functionally time travel. And time travel allows causality to be broken. If causality can be broken - well, we haven't seen that happening and, frankly, if it could be we wouldn't be around to observe it since our very existence depends on causality.

[Nietzschebot]

There are always choices. Suppose these things aren't vehicles but rather living machines that travel and explore indefinitely. Then, they would not need to solve these problems. Or suppose that they are probes from a species billions of years old with stable technology. They could wait a billion years for a round trip since they would have data coming in constantly from the other incredibly large number of probes sent out. Or suppose that they are probes that use some form of quantum communication. That would cut time in half for gathering information. Or suppose they have been here all along. These, among an indefinite number of other possibilities, open up choices, even if cosmic speed limits are in place.

[n00bdragon]

but this ain’t rocket science.
Actually, it sort of literally is, but your point is understood.

1) Deal with it and spend a LONG time traveling.
Fortunately, time is a function of velocity and distance, not the other way around. The practical result of this is that the closer one gets to the speed of light the less time it takes to get there. A hypothetical spaceship traveling at the speed of light could travel anywhere* instantly (as perceived by people on the ship).

All that said, whatever is on that video is not aliens. Aliens COULD come to earth, but we'd see them coming a looooooong way off (like thousands of years before they get here).

* Assuming where you want to go is stationery in reference to your starting point and not also moving. Any place you want to go that's moving away from you faster than you are traveling towards it is going to be unreachable. See The Big Rip.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

"so many people buy into this “all of our knowledge will be subverted and/or meaningless” in X years idea."

Ain't what I said. I said "Do you really believe that the laws of physics as known today are any limit on what will be discovered in 100 years?".

You did your best to read it silly, but my point is not that tomorrow's science will violate some law of thermodynamic or relativity. It is that today's science is ignorant about the future. No FTL? Sure, by Einstein. Who says he has the last word? For all we know, some theoretical constructs already known will turn into practical wormholes in 50 or 100 years.

So what if the theoretical basis for jet engines or nuclear power were known 20 years before the practical results were achieved? All that does is prove my point, that the future is not limited by today's knowledge.

[BLPoG]

The "idea" I made reference to was broader than your initial statement, but my point about constraints, especially as applied through already-known fundamentals, stands. More knowledge isn't the same as unconstrained knowledge.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

"" “Do you really believe that the laws of physics as known today are any limit on what will be discovered in 100 years?”."'

Some things will hold true. Some things will not.

This is the same problem the climate change crowd has when they claim the science is settled.

[Ken Shultz]

The classical physics model of gravity is a lie. What we have is a convenient fiction that happens to coincide with precise measurements that are more than sufficient to design bridges and airplanes and such. Engineers use that model of gravity to design bridges the same way my girlfriend drives a car--she couldn't tell you anything about how or why an engine works, but she can drive a car just fine.

No one has ever observed a graviton--and that may be because they don't exist. Photons have no mass and yet they're affected by the gravity, suggesting that whatever gravity is doing, it's doing by bending space. Whatever it is that makes your keys fall to the floor when you drop them, it may be an illusion--like the illusion of the sun orbiting the Earth. What's happens to your keys when you drop them may be happening to the space between your keys and the Earth rather than to the keys themselves.

We can describe the effects of gravity, but we do not know the mechanism by which it works--and that is a really fundamental thing not to know.

For all we know, gravity could be the will of God.

[Echospinner]

It’s turtles all the way down.

The kabbalists believe that everything, the vibration of every atom is sustained by the will of G-d. It is interesting but tells you nothing about things nor G-d in my understanding.

[DenverJ]

The video is software artifacts. Travel between the stars is for self replicating nanobots comprising an AI.

[loveconstitution1789]

Black Holes might be the answer. Where does all that matter it sucks in go?

If Einstein was absolutely correct that space time can be bent and if all Galaxies have a super massive Black Hole at the center, then maybe there are actual shorter distances between galaxies we thought were not feasible to travel between.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

"Where does all that matter it sucks in go?"

Converted to energy in the accretion disk?
Ejected in the relativistic jet?

[Juice]

It's trapped in the black hole. Well, until it ultimately radiates away as Hawking radiation in a 100 brazillian years.

Anyway, here's what I've been wondering for a while. Antimatter could form a black hole just like regular matter. Let's say you have two equally massive black holes, one made of regular matter and one made of antimatter. Now collide them or merge them or whatever. What happens? The matter and antimatter have to annihilate each other producing energy/light (gamma radiation, really). But, light can't escape a black hole. But, the matter and antimatter that were warping spacetime so that no light can escape is all gone now. So is the energy released by the collision and the black hole(s) is(are) now gone? Or is the light not allowed to escape, turning back on itself, sort of compressing back into matter/antimatter, like this. Then that matter/antimatter mixture would immediately annihilate again. So it may be an endless cycle going on inside the black hole and we'd never see it. Or it would eventually equilibrate into some kind of exotic state of something that's neither matter, antimatter, or energy, but again we'd never see it.

[Agammamon]

There really isn't any such thing as an antimatter black hole. Or a matter one for that matter. Once below the event horizon whatever fell in the hole is absolutely destroyed. No information about it remains except mass, charge, and angular momentum.

Keep in mind that a black hole's gravity is so powerful that it overcomes *quantum mechanics* - that thing that keeps neutron stars from collapsing further - to shove everything down into a (potentially, but not really) infinitely small volume. There is no 'matter' in a black hole - matter has no meaning when not only have your electrons been shoved inside your protons but even the resulting neutrons have been shoved inside each other so the whole thing is one single subatomic particle - that might be several kilometers in diameter.

A black hole made out of matter and a black hole made out of antimatter colliding do the same thing as two black holes made out of matter - or antimatter.

[Echospinner]

Thanks for that. Even my limited understanding of the physics can get that explanation.

[Ron]

I believe the standard model can be modified to work within existing parameters to exceed existing limitations. Pie in the sky yes but some of us are working on it.

lead theoretical physicicst for Resdraw Scientifica

[Ron]

who can't spell o well

[CE]

just make sure there's not a housefly in the other pod when you first test the teleporter on yourself

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I don’t know how to explain this. But it seems like it is more likely to be some kind of strange natural phenomena than aliens.

They've always been here...

[loveconstitution1789]

We are the Aliens as a branch of that?

[Agammamon]

interstellar travel is completely practical under the laws of physics as we know them.

Its our *cultural and personal hangup* that render it impractical. We just don't want, generally, to take off on a one-way trip with no expectation of returning and a completely alien culture even if we did.

Here's a pre-worked example.

v = Δr/ [(Δ/vs) + (1/α) ln(2α/γ)]

Δr = average radial distance traveled (i.e., distance as meaured from the center of the empire)
Δ = average distance traveled
vs = ship speed
Δx/vs = average travel time (years)

Assuming the mean separation between settlements (Δ) is 7.2 light years (2.2 parsecs), local population growth rate (α) is 10-3 per year, and the emigration rate (γ) is 10-4 per year, this means the colonization wave will travel at about 2 x 10-3 light-years per year (5 x 10-4 parsecs per year). This would colonize the entire galaxy in a mere 60 million years.,/b>

60 million years is nothing. The dinosaurs weren't even around 60 million years ago.

[Agammamon]

Now, with that said - we'll never meet aliens worth meeting. 'Angels or Apes, never Men'. They will either be, at best, living in trees or so far beyond us as to basically be Lovecraftian horrors but never like minds.

[CE]

if they were just a couple of hundred years ahead (rather than a half a billion), that would be useful.

[fafalone]

Well since our models can't reconcile quantum mechanics with everything else, they're obviously wrong.
There's ways to achieve FTL that are consistent with the theories as they stand, and we'd need a grand unified theory to even rule those out.
And even if FTL ultimately is impossible, it's absolutely possible to explore and colonize the universe at sublight speeds; robotically, or with people merging with machines. There's nothing impossible about keeping our minds or even bodies alive for the hundreds or thousands of years it takes to travel. And further, because of time dilation, it's even fully possible to explore the galaxy in a human lifespan, even if the information took much longer to get back to earth.

Looking at how we've gone from harnessing electricity a mere few hundred years ago, to where we our now, it always amazes the absolute certainty people have when predicting the technology that will exist a million years from now.

[MatthewSlyfield]

" Interstellar travel is completely impractical under the laws of physics as we know them."

And of course we already know everything there is to know in this area.

Sorry, this simply isn't a valid argument.

A better argument against aliens visiting the Earth (and my actual opinion on the issue): Assuming an alien civilization with the knowledge/technology for practical interstellar travel, it it exceedingly unlikely that we would have anything they want or need that they can't get (or make) more easily elsewhere.

[CE]

they don't have us to study, or take back for their zoos

[MatthewSlyfield]

Perhaps, but the latter wouldn't require large numbers of visits over an extended period of time.

[mad.casual]

I don’t know how to explain this. But it seems like it is more likely to be some kind of strange natural phenomena than aliens.

Yeah, I lean towards opto-electronic distortion of some sort. Even if you assume the physics underlying interstellar travel are a little dodgy and allow for some play, the idea that interstellar beings just happen to be joyriding around in our atmosphere is kinda dumb and the idea that they're in our atmosphere doing science on Earth is even dumber. Especially if you assume or agree that we can effectively see the edge of the universe from our vantage point here on Earth.

[CE]

Could be interdimensional travel, or wormhole/gateway shortcut travel.

Another oddity in relativity that people don't think about often is that if you travel near the speed of light (not even exceeding it), time moves much more slowly for you. So you wouldn't even need multiple generation ships to make long journeys. You might age 20 years while the people back home age 2000 years. Of course, you could never go back.

[CE]

A fact which popular sci-fi completely ignores. Han Solo and Captain Kirk blast around their galaxies at incredible speeds, but when they meet up with old friends, lovers or enemies years later, they've all aged the same amount.

[M L]

Science suggests interstellar travel isn't possible, and it is highly likely that this assessment will never change. People don't like to hear that because they really like aliens and star wars.

[Dillinger]

*potential* existence?

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

First video: Not very long, worse resolution than the second video, and the FLIR lock is suspiciously steady as the plane turns; if it were actually tracking, I'd expect some wiggle as the plane tries to match the target.
Second video: "Clearly oblong" is one heck of an exaggeration. It ain't clear at all, its outline is fuzzy, and it's only about twice as wide as high, and at that resolution, hardly significant. The "high rate of speed" is across the flight path and easily accounted for by a camera shift. The resolution is probably not anywhere good enough to fire on under any peace time rules of engagement.
Third video: A little tiny dot that is only 4 miles away? The others must have been only a quarter or half mile away to be as large as they were.

I am no WSO and have no idea of the capabilities of the FLIR. Maybe it can track as smoothly as shown here. But the objects themselves are not impressive. If that's the best evidence they can get for flying saucers, they better try harder.

[Juice]

little tiny

No, it was big huge!

[CE]

if it's not an optical illusion or a software glitch, it's a craft of some sort with capabilities greater than the craft the pilots are flying (and assumed to be top of the line). Could be biological though -- a hummingbird would seem alien to a turtle.

[Eddy]

You know how the government could *really* mess with people?

They could announce that "yes, our planet is being visited by aliens and we've been doing autopsies - here's the UFO footage and the autopsy footage."

The people who believe the government is always lying and covering up, will assume that there actually *aren't* any aliens, and that the authorities are trying to whip up an "alien panic" to justify more funding.

[Juice]

And then they rip off their fake human skin...

[Uncle Jay]

That UFO was probably the last sane person leaving California.

[Ray McKigney]

Has anyone seen Emilio Lizardo lately?

[BLPoG]

Why is there a watermelon there?

[Ray McKigney]

Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy.

[Still Curmudgeoned (Nunya)]

The important fact left out of this article is that Travis Barker is a fantastic percussionist.

[Echospinner]

One of the best in the business.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Blink 180 who?

[Longtobefree]

Not really good evidence.
The best evidence of intelligent life in the universe is that they stay away from us.
On the other hand, all that dodging around could be democrats at debate practice?

[CE]

What do Democrats in the debates have to dodge? All of the questions have been marshmallows so far.

[Pooneil]

And exactly why is this on Reason? It is old non-news.

[Eddy]

That's what THEY want you to think.

[loveconstitution1789]

The Jacket is the Lizard-King?

[Mongo]

You Reason city-slickers just missed the 40th anniversary of the Aug 27 UFO attack on a state patrolman in northwest Minnesota - the most documented UFO encounter in the 20th-century.
It's easy to find online: Google or wiki 'Val Johnson Incident.'

[CE]

I did. Sounds suspiciously like ball lightning.

[Ken Shultz]

I'm looking to see the objects stop and start again and/or change direction.

I'm not seeing any of that.

[mad.casual]

On the first two videos there are other objects that appear to be 'moving' the exact same way the objects of interest are 'moving' but, presumably aren't objects of interest because reasons.

[Agammamon]

TTSA originally claimed that the videos had been declassified. According to Gradishe, they were never cleared for release.

"The Navy has not released the videos to the general public," he told The Black Vault.

Being declassified and being released are not the same thing. Its entirely possible for these things to be declassified but not released - simply because no one ever bothered.

Same - is there any evidence they were classified? This all looks like basic 'gun camera' footage. That stuff usually isn't classified - you can find tons of these videos, including ones that show actual combat, and from multiple countries, all over the internet.

Like this one from Brazil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvxZTcLHFk0

[Conchfritters]

Military disinformation campaign. If extraterrestrial space craft are violating our airspace with impunity they will never come forward and admit it, and likely they’ve known about this shit for decades and they’ve learned a lot more than what they’re telling us - and why would they tip off Russia or China that they know about this shit. If what those cameras are capturing is swamp gas or Venus then might as well pretend that it could be extraterrestrial, and keep people guessing.

[Agammamon]

If extraterrestrial craft are violating our airspace with impunity why do you think only the military/government would know about it?

The skies are heavily watched - by civilians.

[Echospinner]

Best thread of the week here. Enjoyed the contributions from those who know about the physics involved.

Also to mention again as Still C. did. Travis Barker.

Feeling This by Blink 182 one example.

Copied from a drummers site since I will never be that good.

“Barker pays homage to John Bonham in the opening eight bars: a triplet shuffle in bar two, accented flat flam eighths between the snare and hi-hat in bar three, and off beat bass drum doubles in bar four. He repeats the idea in bars five through eight. As the vocals enter in measure nine — and the drums pop out in the mix — Barker simplifies his pattern, and the outlines of a 3:2 son clave come into focus. In the chorus, he adds a left-hand cowbell clave while his right hand and foot cover the rest of the groove.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4kMZ23T9VHE

Don’t let the hotness dancers distract, well not on the second time. These guys had serious chops.

[AlmightyJB]

Breaking news! Unidentified Flying Object was.......Unidentified!

[Brandybuck]

> The Navy designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena

That does NOT mean they are spacecraft. That does NOT mean they are aliens. That does NOT mean they are some soft of advanced technology.

All it means is that they have not been identified. End of story. Interesting sure, but no reason to be fueling your woo crank.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

^^ This.

The fallacy is that UFO = flying saucer.

[CE]

well, it certainly isn't the planet Venus, or swamp gas, or mass hysteria. so what is it?

[IT Shabake]

Blink-182 is the best rock band that has ever existed
مشاوره قبل ازدواج

[Brent]

Am I going to be the only one pointing out that "former" frontman was left out of the headline and then the picture shows the band with Tom's replacement?

[rpullman]

Maybe they are drones, operating by entangled controls and capable of constant acceleration.

[Rohit Mehra]

did you see the videos they are doing things that we can’t they may be alien if not a natural phenomenon. I’m always hopeful anyway
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[M L]

They're not extraterrestrial aliens, they're extradimensional spirits messing with humans.

[Hank Phillips]

I've seen better Commodore 64 graphics. When Fermi asked "where are they" there were sth like 124 solar systems close enough to have noticed the Earth becoming as bright in the radio spectrum as the sun back in 1920 when radio stations got moving. Today that is over 8400 systems, but the distances--unless lightspeed is not a limit--do not augur well for anyone having noticed, then headed this way, and decelerated for a visit. The last thing the military lied about as a saucer turned out to be a baloon-hoisted gadget for detecting Soviet explosions, as revealed in Atomic Adventures.

[Sevo]

Hank, one of the most intelligible posts you've ever made here.

[Sevo]

I once saw a UFO south of SF in the western sky after dark; pointed it out to my wife. We agreed it looked like something 'flying' which we could not identify.
We then went and had a nice dinner.