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Trump Caves to Lindsey Graham; U.S. Troops To Stay the Neverending Course in Afghanistan

Plus: Scott Walker pisses off millennial vets, sexting without affirmative consent is illegal in Texas, and more...

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A U.S.–Taliban deal will leave many American troops in Afghanistan. "Under the proposed deal, the initial withdrawal would include roughly 5,000 of the 14,000 U.S. troops in the country," The Washington Post reported Thursday. 

"We're going to keep a presence there," Trump told Fox News' Brian Kilmeade yesterday. "We're reducing that presence very substantially. We're not fighting a war over there. We're just policemen."  

But this comes after an announcement from Trump last December that the U.S. would be withdrawing 7,000 from Afghanistan within weeks. That didn't pan out. The new plan is the latest in what's becoming a Trumpian habit: promising a different path than his predecessors in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, only to cave to the more militaristic forces in his party and in the broader media/corporate/political establishment.

In this case, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) has been one of the harshest critics of Trump's impulses to pull back the U.S. presence in Afghanistan and the Middle East. "Graham, one of Trump's closest allies on Capitol Hill, has repeatedly warned the president not to trust the Taliban to control al-Qaeda and other militant groups in Afghanistan," notes the Post:

Some within the Trump administration have sent the same message. Trump has maintained that bringing U.S. troops home from Afghanistan is his long-term priority. On Sunday, Graham said Trump and his would-be 2020 Democratic presidential rivals are "all wrong" on the issue.

Graham—a security hysteric of epic proportions—also chastised Trump about Afghanistan in a Washington Post op-ed on Wednesday.

People in the Trump administration said earlier this month that the president still wants all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan by 2020.

And so here "is where we find ourselves," as Matt Welch wrote in the July issue of Reason:

with a president who accurately declares in his State of the Union address that "great nations do not fight endless wars," even while 14,000 of the troops under his command still suffer and inflict death more than 200 months (and 2,300 Americans killed) after U.S. forces first overthrew the Taliban government.

"We should leave Afghanistan immediately," Trump tweeted as far back as March 2013. "No more wasted lives." He was right then, and presumably still leans that way now.

Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) thinks the "problem is that several of his advisers that he has appointed don't necessarily agree with him. So they either countermand his sentiments or talk him into delaying."

(See also: "Here Are 3 Bad Reasons Why We're Still in Afghanistan"; "Sens. Rand Paul, Tom Udall Introduce Bill to End the War in Afghanistan"; "Why Are We Still in Afghanistan?")

The American people are more in line with Paul's impulses than with those of forever-warmongers like Graham. As Lucy Steigerwald wrote here in January:

The long life of the Afghan war makes it hard to remember how popular it was when it began. As the fighting began, 80 percent of America supported it. Nobody in Congress except Rep. Barbara Lee (D–Calif.) was prescient enough to vote against the Authorization for Use of Military Force and its open-ended-enough-to-attack-a-dozen-more-countries wording. Not until 2014 did a majority of Americans begin to regret that the war ever started.

Now some polls suggest it's nearly as unpopular as the wildly unpopular ill-fated war in Iraq.

Speaking of both wars, people have been calling B.S. on Wisconsin Republican Gov. Scott Walker's recent attempt to slam Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) Walker tweeted "How many members of the true Greatest Generation fought and died so @AOC and her generation could have the peace & prosperity they enjoy today?" This, critics note, makes light of millennial military service in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And while Trump has been talking down these military misadventures, his actions don't always reflect the same. As Brian Doherty pointed out here last year, "if you're assessing how serious a peacenik Trump is prepared to be, you should contemplate some hard facts about Washington's longest-lasting active war: the U.S.-led operations in Afghanistan."

According to an interesting analysis that Niall McCarthy of Statista has done of Air Force Central Command data, 2018—the first full year that the Trump administration has run the Afghanistan coalition—saw in just its first nine months more bombs dropped on Afghanistan than any other year in the history of the war: 5,213. The entire year of 2010, the previous record, saw just 5,101.

The number of bombs dropped had declined to 947 in 2015; in 2016, it was 1,337. But after "Trump announced a new Afghan strategy last August and committed more troops to the country," McCarthy writes, "the number of bombs dropped by the U.S. coalition has surged dramatically."



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Sexting illegal in Texas without affirmative consent. Texas is enacting a law making it illegal to text or direct message someone an unsolicited image of a "sexually explicit" nature. "Many people—especially women—get unwanted sexually explicit pictures by text or social media. It's disgusting. Now, it's illegal in Texas," wrote Republican Gov. Greg Abbott last Friday.

The law, which takes effect September 1, makes it illegal to send any sexually explicit imagery that "is not sent at the request of or with the express consent of the recipient." What could go wrong…? 


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Elizabeth Warren's "economic patriotism" is just protectionism dressed up in a different phrase, writes J.D. Tuccille. We're already seeing the negative effects of this tendency in the Trump administration, with its "America First" economics.

"There's no reason to believe other countries will be more receptive to a hypothetical President Warren's foreigner-bashing and trade-tinkering just because she sticks a different brand name on bad policy," writes Tuccille. "Protectionism and nationalism would still draw retaliation."


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  1. Man sues Popeyes for running out of chicken sandwiches

    TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) – A Tennessee man claims he spent “countless hours” finding something else to eat after Popeyes Chicken ran out of its popular crispy sandwich this week. So he’s suing the chain for wasting his time, WTVC reported.

    The lawsuit, which is seeking $5,000 in damages, alleges that Popeyes engaged in “false advertising” and “deceptive business practices by entity to public.”

    1. claims he spent “countless hours” finding something else to eat

      Dismissed!
      *** pounds gavel ***

      1. Does this sound like a man who had ALL he can eat?

    2. I am starting to believe you are Bubba Cathy.

    3. Do these sound like the actions of a man who had “all” he could eat?

    4. Imagine being countless hours away from any restaurant other than Popeyes.

    5. That is so stupid. He should have sued because they only give you 2 free sauces per meal and make you pay extra for the rest. 2 sauces is only enough for like 9 fries!

      First time they asked me to pay for sauce was the last time I visited Popeyes.

      1. You know who else skimped on the sauces?

        1. Hannibal Lecter?

  2. Hong Kong activist Joshua Wong charged in crackdown on protests

    The Commies were just buying time to identify leaders of the protests so they could be arrested outside of the large protest crowds.

    1. Socialism is an evil disease of the brain.

    2. Confucius say: “Man who get lost in Hong Kong going Wong way.”

      1. Man who walk through airport door sideways going to Bangkok.

  3. Sexting illegal in Texas without affirmative consent.

    Reverse read receipts.

    1. Do emojis signify consent?

      Eggplant = YESSSSSSSS!

      1. “It sounds like steam escaping.”

    2. So if the recipient is in Texas and the sender is in another state, who’s laws apply? Asking for a friend.

      1. I was wondering what would happen if someone in Louisiana sent a pic of his junk to someone in New Mexico and it traversed fiber through Texas

  4. A U.S.–Taliban deal will leave many American troops in Afghanistan.

    Most neo-libertarian president evah?

    1. All he has to do is start a trade war with Afghanistan as well and he will be the mostest libertarian president evah

      1. Afghanistan is VITALLY ESSENTIAL to keeping America free!!! If the terrorists win in Afghanistan, they’ll take over the entire galaxy!!! Human freedom will die FOREVER, EVERYWHERE!!!!

        1. Never fear, Space Force is here!

          1. To infinity and beyond!!!

            War is the health of the state!

            If we ever get tired of fighting in Stanstanstanstanstanistan, maybe we could fight nuclear wars against hurricanes… AND bedbugs!

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-use-nuclear-weapons-against-bedbugs/2019/08/28/c5cb6b20-c9c4-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html

      2. Does he actually have to start a trade war or can he just Twitter that he’s starting a trade war and then not actually follow through with it? Maybe give Afghanistan a deadline and later extend the deadline and then claim he never set a deadline?

    2. “Most neo-libertarian president evah?”

      Pretty much, as those afflicted with TDS REALLY resent.

      1. No love for Silent Cal?

      2. Notice the TDS people and reason don’t care that there will still be a troop reduction below what Obama and Bush had in Afghanistan.

        Its like our federal budget and reason. If you can make the cuts that reason wants, be against any budget cuts.

        1. Ah yes. The TDS defense combined with whataboutism.

          Can you just say that you disagree with Trump on this one and Reason is right?

          1. reason is wrong again.

            The TDS, shitty writing, and whatbaoutism of reason

            The president long campaigned on bringing troops home, but in 2017, at the request of Mr. Mattis, he begrudgingly pledged an additional 4,000 troops to the Afghan campaign to try to hasten an end to the conflict.

            WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered the military to start withdrawing roughly 7,000 troops from Afghanistan in the coming months, two defense officials said Thursday, an abrupt shift in the 17-year-old war there and a decision that stunned Afghan officials, who said they had not been briefed on the plans.

            President Trump made the decision to pull the troops — about half the number the United States has in Afghanistan now — at the same time he decided to pull American forces out of Syria, one official said.

            The announcement came hours after Jim Mattis, the secretary of defense, said that he would resign from his position at the end of February after disagreeing with the president over his approach to policy in the Middle East.
            NYT Dec 20, 2018

            1. President Trump made the decision to pull the troops — about half the number the United States has in Afghanistan now

              So you agree that we should have troops in Afghanistan then?

              I say pull them all home. Half is a half-assed start.

              1. Pulling them all out is an invitation to warlordism, Al Qaeda and ISIS (ISIA) resurgence, and terrorism in Europe and most likely in the US as well.

                5000 troops in Afghanistan is a small price to pay to keep Afghanistan in Afghanistan.

  5. Elizabeth Warren’s “economic patriotism” is just protectionism dressed up in a different phrase…

    What can she do? The current president co-opted the Democrats’ shtick.

  6. sexting without affirmative consent

    Nice album name, as opposed to “sexting with negatory consent”.

    1. Van Halen release an album called “For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge”

      How far we’ve fallen since then.

    2. Or nugatory consent.

  7. We’re not fighting a war over there. We’re just policemen.

    Someone might want to show the president Blackhawk Down.

    1. Mohamed al-Confucius say: “Man who meddle in Somalia suffer from Blackhawk Down Syndrome, inshallah.”

    2. Unless he’s in the film, why would he watch it?

  8. “Can a minor legally engaged in consensual sexual activity be his or her own pornographer through the act of sexting?” Yes, rules Maryland’s top court by a vote of 6–1.

    The question remains: why would you want to expend state resources to prosecute it? The answer: evidentiary examination.

    1. Hey, what is asset forfeiture, chopped liver?

      1. Why can’t it be all of the above?

        C’mon baby, forfeit that asset. Don’t worry, I qualified for immunity.

  9. We’re not fighting a war over there. We’re just policemen.”

    “But, enough about Baltimore.”

  10. More bad economic news.

    Panera is losing nearly 100% of its workers every year as fast-food turnover crisis worsens

    We Koch / Reason libertarians know exactly what would fix this problem — unlimited, unrestricted immigration and no minimum wage.

    #DrumpfRecession

    1. True story – I have never eaten at Panera. Doubt I ever will. Don’t care.

      1. It’s terrible, highly overrated.

    2. Most fast food places probably have 100% turnover every month, dam Kids they won’t keep still

    3. Its almost like minimum wage jobs are a temporary stepping stone towards a more sustainable career.

      1. Nah, it’s oPeN bOrDeRs. Damn foreigners taking jobs rightfully owed to Americans at a higher price…because…reasons…

  11. “Can a minor legally engaged in consensual sexual activity be his or her own pornographer through the act of sexting?” Yes, rules Maryland’s top court by a vote of 6–1.

    If you are old enough to kill a baby, or change from a woman to a man or a man to a woman, your are old enough to send dirty pictures.
    #Picturesarespeech

    1. But don’t you dare light up a freaking cigarette!

  12. In fact, you have an absolute God-given and inalienable right to be on the losing end of this argument…

    He’s giving the white supremacists permission to be Nazis!

  13. A federal drug agent got someone to buy a truck so that the agent could seize it in a bust and use it for his own work.

    At least he’s using it for his work, which he seemed to enjoy greatly right up until his bust.

    1. That’s the kind of outside-the-box thinking we need!

  14. “It’s amazing how prone Republicans are to ignore the more than two million veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, most of whom are millennials.”

    Gee. It’s too bad we did not have a Nobel Peace Prize-winning Democrat in office between 2008 and 2016 to put an end to these wars.

    Hey wait a minute….

    1. Much like New York City public schools, the Nobel Prize has stopped being merit based.

    2. I don’t know where they get that most are “Millennials”. Maybe a plurality, but a good many are “Xers” and some are Boomers. No one is checking any of this, but from my experience “Millennials” are probably no more than 45 percent of the crop of veterans from the recent wars and maybe not that many.

      1. The absolute youngest gen-Xers are 39 now. I’d wager that most of the grunts these days are millennials.

        1. I am an Xer at age 52. The birthdates after 1964 are when generation X supposedly begins. With the wars going from 2002 until he present that’s a lot of time for there to have been plenty of Xers and boomers in the fight.

          1. I think I misread your original comment. I didn’t really register that you meant vets from the entire length of the Forever War. I thought you meant those who are serving currently. Not that it matters since we’re both just guessing without data.

        2. “The absolute youngest gen-Xers are 39 now”

          According to an arbitrary defintion that has changed a dozen times. Let me be as clear as possible here. There is no objective defintion of the cohorts. Stop acting like there is.

            1. So your claim is both false and meaningless.

              But you knew that.

  15. “Graham, one of Trump’s closest allies on Capitol Hill, has repeatedly warned the president not to trust the Taliban to control al-Qaeda and other militant groups in Afghanistan,”

    Graham’s instincts in matter of wars have been wrong every single time. Not the guy i would hold council with.

    1. New rule: Neocon twats like Graham, and their extended families, have to live in the countries they nominate for endless peace-keeping/police actions.

      1. They already do.

  16. A federal drug agent got someone to buy a truck so that the agent could seize it in a bust and use it for his own work.

    LOL

  17. Police hospitalize 72-year old man with 39 weapons and war memorabilia based on one report from son

    “The 72-year-old man, who was not identified, was reported to police by his son who feared for his father’s wellbeing and told officers that there were firearms inside the home, Lieutenant Dennis Rosenbaum of the Philadelphia Police Department said Thursday.”

    “I don’t think they’re going to be trying to get the weapons back,” Rosenbaum said. “I’ve talked to the family today as of an hour ago and they just don’t want them to wind up in the wrong hands. They seem to be very nice people.”

    1. reported to police by his son who feared for his father’s wellbeing and told officers that there were firearms inside the home

      WTF? Basically this shitheel swatted his father who the police have interred and are now investigating to see if they can come up with weapons violations.

      If you worry about someone’s well being, involving the police is about the worst idea imaginable.

  18. “Can a minor legally engaged in consensual sexual activity be his or her own pornographer through the act of sexting?” Yes, rules Maryland’s top court by a vote of 6–1.

    While this framing supports the outrage culture Reason both supports and criticizes it is not accurate. There was someone else in the video. Imagine an underage male releasing a sex video including an underage female and himself and then claiming his participation means the video cannot be illegal. This is what you’re arguing for because you’ve so internalized the belief only women can be victims you’re not recognizing contradictory facts.

  19. From an election year standpoint, withdrawing from Afghanistan doesn’t make much sense. If things went bad in Afghanistan after we pulled out, like, say, ISIS emerged after Obama started pulling out of Iraq, whoever wins the Democratic nomination would lambaste Trump for it–just as sure as the Democratic nominee will take a hard right to play to the middle just as soon as the Democratic nomination is secured. The votes Trump would win for having pulled out of Afghanistan are presumably dwarfed by the votes he would lose if he withdrew and things went south. And there’s no reason to think that withdrawing from Afghanistan won’t benefit the Taliban in various ways.

    I’m on board with the idea that the presence of the U.S. military makes stability more unlikely–over the long term. In the short term, making the U.S. withdraw from Afghanistan will make the Taliban declare victory over the United States, and the Taliban will be able to do things it can’t do now with the U.S. military there. I still think we should withdraw from Afghanistan anyway because the benefits outweigh the downsides over the long term, but withdrawing before November of 2020 probably isn’t conducive to getting your ass reelected if you’re Donald Trump.

    1. Its true, he will be more flexible after his reelection.

    2. it doesn’t matter the left will attack him either way and Trump seems fairly immune to that so go ahead and get the troops out.

      1. Elections are decided by swing voters.

        The idea that it doesn’t matter what you do because the left will criticize you anyway is absurd in that context.

        If one alternative potentially opens you up to the scorn of swing voters, and the alternative doesn’t do much to help you with swing voters at all, then the choice is obvious if your primary concern is being reelected–regardless of whether the left will criticize you no matter what you do.

        If you model the American people, it isn’t 150 million deplorables vs. 150 million LGBT environmental activists. There are extremes on both sides who dominate the headlines, and the vast majority who are at various levels of support for various issues in the middle. Trump won the election in 2016 by persuading constituencies that typically vote for Democrats to vote for him instead.

        Plenty of those registered Democrats voted for him because they’re anti-trade with China and anti-immigration–yes, blue collar, anti-immigration Democrats. He needs to give those people as few reasons to go back to vote for the Democrats as possible if he wants to win again in 2020.

    3. In the short term, making the U.S. withdraw from Afghanistan will make the Taliban declare victory over the United States, and the Taliban will be able to do things it can’t do now with the U.S. military there.

      ^ This.

      I expect that this is why “withdraw” morphed into “draw down,” like we did with Iraq. The idea, I have little doubt, is to make the US a less visible presence in Afghanistan, and claim a kind of cease-fire, putting the Taliban back into power but in a way that keeps them on a shorter leash than they would be on if we pulled all of our troops out entirely.

      Because, as you say, if the Taliban were let off-leash, things would go back to just how they were in 2001, if not worse, and Trump would be blamed for it.

      Plus, the point of being in Afghanistan doesn’t have anything to do with making life better for Afghans. It’s about having bases and troops at hand and at ready if we go to war with Iran. All we really need is some place to mobilize to if and when things ramp up. This is also why we “can’t” leave Iraq.

      “Something-something entangling alliances.”

  20. So, this stupid war, which should have lasted three months, will continue… perhaps for another eighteen years? Endless war. Please, Make Orwell Fiction Again.

    1. Where can I buy a MOFA hat?

      1. I got one from Amazon… several available from about $4 to $10

    2. What it looks like is that after 18 years our foreign policy experts have finally accepted that if there’s going to be a native government in Afghanistan, it’s going to be the Taliban. So now we have to pretend that the stated goal wasn’t overthrowing the Taliban and call restoring the Taliban to a stable position of power “victory.”

      We will then continue to occupy the country and protect the Taliban from overthrow by the more moderate forces we used to call “allies.”

      1. Putting the in-patients in charge of the asylum?

      2. But we’ve always been at war against Eurghanistan.

        1. +
          For some of us, that is true. In the future, what are the odds it will be true for everybody?

  21. The U.S. has been at war for the majority of my life. We are a war nation, a violent aggressor nation and a police state that loves the idea of throwing people in prison.

    1. With no end in sight.

    2. We are a war nation, a violent aggressor nation

      In fairness, our media doesn’t pay much attention to the shit European countries pull overseas. The current situation in Libya, for example, is much more directly the fault of France and England than it is the US, even though the US did participate a little bit.

      While we do stupid things that are often contrary to our own interests, we’re not the worst player in any particular region I know of.

      1. I’m not saying that anything you said is wrong, but I don’t really care whether or not we are the worst, I just care that we’re bad on this stuff. I don’t think we should be competing for “not the worst nation” when it comes to initiating wars.

        1. I don’t think we should be competing for “not the worst nation” when it comes to initiating wars.

          Agreed.

  22. “The law, which takes effect September 1, makes it illegal to send any sexually explicit imagery that “is not sent at the request of or with the express consent of the recipient.” What could go wrong…?”

    Hey, wanna see a picture of my junk?

    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0418.html

  23. I watched most of the new Dave Chappelle bit on Netflix, the one Lil’ Robbie was talking about the other day, where he goes after LGBT . . .

    He’s throwing rocks, but he’s hiding behind his own minority status to do it.

    He wanted to tell a joke using the word “f-word” (a slur for gay men) on his TV show.
    The network executives called him in and said he can never use that word on the network.
    He asked why he can use the “n-word” with impunity on the network but not the “f-word”.
    The network executive responded, “Because you’re not gay”.
    Chappelle responded, “Well, I’m not a [n-word] either”.

    *the crowd erupts in applause*

    This subroutine is about the racism of white network executives.

    It is not about freedom of speech.

    The routine goes on to equate the opioid epidemic impacting poor whites today with white people ignoring the plight of the crack epidemic on the black community in the past.

    From using slurs for LGBT to discussing the opioid epidemic, support for gun ownership, even not supporting abortion . . . every breach of left wing dogma seems to be justifiable in this show–so long as it’s overall context is about black people going after white people.

    In other words, we’re not really breaking new ground at all. It’s still about group identity overwhelming every other consideration. He goes so far as to say that although he doesn’t support abortion *huge applause*, men need to stay out of the debate–because they aren’t women. I wish it were controversial to say that it’s okay to do whatever you want–so long as you stay in your group identity lane–but, unfortunately, that isn’t controversial at all.

    Richard Pryor had a routine in which he said that Stevie Wonder playing the piano while blind didn’t impress him. If Stevie Wonder wanted to impress him, he should take the wheel of a car.

    Chappelle staying in his group identity lane doesn’t impress me. I might be impressed if he stood up for the free speech rights of idiots–no matter their group identity.

    1. you didn’t see him standing up for the free speech rights of everyone? the entire thing was named “sticks and stones” for christ’s sake.

      sorry you got hurt watching, snowflake

      1. Thanks for the insightful comment. If it’s called “Sticks and Stones”, then it must be about free speech regardless of group identity–no matter the content of the routine itself. Wow, how did I miss that?! Anyway, at least I stood up for the free speech rights of people like you.

        1. i just saw a different show i guess.

          the f—t vs n—-r joke was a statement about how you DON’T have to be a word to use a word. dave doesn’t consider himself a n—-r or a f—-t.

          i really enjoyed watching him break all the rules of leftist dogma. it didn’t once occur to me to assume he was only getting away with it because he was black. i thought it was cause he was funny. are you jealous people don’t laugh at you for adroitly calling out leftist idiocy when you see it?

          on abortion, i think he told men to stay out of it so he could pull the bait and switch and suggest men should have the right to abandon their kids. abandoning is not as bad as killing right? imo, this was his way of giving his actual opinion on abortion (it’s worse than abandoning your kids) and pointing out the logical inconsistencies in our usual discourse. i definitely didn’t see it as a defense of identity politics.

          perhaps i’m doing to much projecting. i think it’s likely we both are. i’m happy i got to watch the insightful funny version, though.

          1. Ken did it because he was quoting, but why did you self censor?

            And don’t tell me it’s decorum, Mr. “Rothtard”

            1. lol.

              whom exactly was ken quoting? it certainly wasn’t dave chapelle. he doesn’t say “x-word” ever.

              i was just trying to match ken’s civility as i was replying to him.

              1. I havent seen it so i dont know and Ken used quotation marks. Which indicate quoting.

                “i was just trying to match ken’s civility”

                Ok Mr. “Rothtard” I’m sure its not something else then.

                1. No you dont get it, he gets to use any formulation of “tard” for the same reason blacks get to use “nigger”.

                2. dude. i laughed. your comment was legit funny to me.

                  i then explained why i didn’t type nigger or faggot out. just because you can say words, and strongly assert the right to say words, doesn’t mean you need to all the time.

                  Ken seemed clearly uncomfortable actually quoting chappelle, and i was being considerate.

                  or do you want to tell me what “something else” is? i’d love to know my true intentions.

                  1. Wwll thank you.

                    In response to your question, I’m not known for dissembling. If I thought you were weak and craven and cowed by SJW’s I would say so. Your nom de plume indicates you dont mind being offensive, so the decision to self censor was weird and jarring.

                    1. Thank god you got to the bottom of that mystery. Phew!

                    2. Wow, how did a conversation that didn’t involve you get you so upset.

          2. on abortion, i think he told men to stay out of it so he could pull the bait and switch and suggest men should have the right to abandon their kids. abandoning is not as bad as killing right

            Exactly. I was going to address this since Ken decided to leave this important info out, but I figured, eh fuck it. I’m glad you pointed this out.

        2. he pulled a similar bait and switch with his two impressions. the first was a racist founding fathers one (to get everyone thinking political), then he roasted the entire audience for thinking his vindictive retard impression was trump instead themselves.

          it was brilliant. it required a setup that was cheap and lowbrow, but if you got stuck there, you missed the point. i think the abortion thing was the same pattern.

    2. In my opinion, its perfect. This puts the leftists in a position where they have to decide openly – can a black man make fun of LGBTQIA+ people? Who’s higher than whom in the victim Olympics?

      He talks about things from his perspective of being black, sure, but I don’t that as “hiding behind his minority status.”

      This subroutine is about the racism of white network executives.

      It is not about freedom of speech.

      Who gives a shit? It was funny. Cry me a river.

      The routine goes on to equate the opioid epidemic impacting poor whites today with white people ignoring the plight of the crack epidemic on the black community in the past.

      From using slurs for LGBT to discussing the opioid epidemic, support for gun ownership, even not supporting abortion . . . every breach of left wing dogma seems to be justifiable in this show–so long as it’s overall context is about black people going after white people.

      So? Who gives a shit? It was funny. I don’t see why he has to tell his jokes from your preferred perspective. All that matter is – was it funny?

      You sound like a SJW, just from the other side.

    3. That’s the one thing that always bugged me about Chappelle. No matter where his jokes went or how they were told, the underlying premise is that whites are racist.

      1. the underlying premise is that whites are everyone is racist.

        FTFY

      2. I think its hilarious because some white people really are racist. It’s even funnier when he points out that someone like a network executive is trying to censor him for using a racist term while, incidentally, being a little bit racist herself.

        Its funny. A lot of people say kinda racist shit without realizing its kind of racist. Most of my friends that happen to be minorities think its kind of funny too. They tend to poke fun at people when they accidentally say something racist because they like to watch PC white people squirm over it.. its almost a litmus test (Can you handle the heat?) not too dissimilar from when a group of potential friends make fun of someone in to see if that person will throw it back at them (if they do, they’re cool, if they get upset, they’re annoying).

        Some white people are racist. Its fun to joke about it.

        1. They tend to poke fun at people when they accidentally say something racist because they like to watch PC white people squirm over it.

          Yeah – I worked for six years for a Punjabi Sikh who found it absolutely hilarious to accuse white people of ‘not liking brown people’ just to watch them squirm. He would also use it to get change orders approved “what, you don’t like my price because I’m a brown-skinned Asian guy?” and then enjoy people stammering and apologizing.

    4. “In other words, we’re not really breaking new ground at all. It’s still about group identity overwhelming every other consideration. He goes so far as to say that although he doesn’t support abortion *huge applause*, men need to stay out of the debate–because they aren’t women. I wish it were controversial to say that it’s okay to do whatever you want–so long as you stay in your group identity lane–but, unfortunately, that isn’t controversial at all. ”

      I don’t think men should be completely left out of the debate. We need to be absolutely fair about this. They should have some input commensurate with the actual contribution they put into making a baby. We can calculate this. Since we’re talking about what amounts to “jiggle, jiggle, spurt” as as a man’s contribution in the majority of cases — if we’re being generous and round up, that equates to roughly six minutes of effort when successful), compared to the 394,500 minutes a woman carries a fetus in her womb, we get men’s contribution at approximately 0.002% of the baby-making process. If we allow 60 minutes for a debate, we get roughly 1/1000th of a second. This isn’t enough time for a man to have a thought about abortion, consider it, open his mouth, and then, ideally, shut it before offering his opinion on what a woman should or should not do. We need to be fair, though, so we’ll round up to at least one second for men’s equal input on this matter.

      But I jest… we should really add in the time men spend trying to woo women into bed. How long does it take to text and send “Netflix and Chill”?

      1. “I don’t think men should be completely left out of the debate. We need to be absolutely fair about this. They should have some input commensurate with the actual contribution they put into making a baby”

        It’s weird how you don’t use this metric when making men subsidize your life choices.

      2. If there’s an ethical argument for why women shouldn’t kill their fetuses, it’s valid or not regardless of the sex of the person making the argument.

        Suggesting that people’s arguments are invalid because of their race, sex, religion, etc. is getting to the essence of what we’re talking about when we talk about ad hominem fallacies and what we’re talking about when we talk about bigotry.

        1. Again, Chappelle’s political incorrectness appears to be grounded in group identity–which isn’t politically incorrect. In fact, group identity is probably the foundation upon which political correctness is built.

    5. Let me help.

      This subroutine is about the racism of white network executivesliberals.

      There.

      And this–

      He goes so far as to say that although he doesn’t support abortion *huge applause*, men need to stay out of the debate–because they aren’t women.

      Did you feel the blast of wind as that passed over your head?

      He wasn’t trying to say this–“I wish it were controversial to say that it’s okay to do whatever you want–so long as you stay in your group identity lane–but, unfortunately, that isn’t controversial at all.”

      He was saying ‘Men aren’t Women’ — the stating of which is, depending on what part of the West you live in, a fireable or jailable offense.

      ‘Men aren’t Women’ is the line that gets trotted out in every abortion debate by feminists and leftists alike–only to be abandoned when they want to extend abortion rights to transwomen. When you say it then, the shrieking harpies and himpies descend upon you in a fury of SJW righteousness.

      I’m thinking you read things differently, Ken.

    6. Sorry you didnt like it Ken.

      If you have watched Chappelle over the last 20 years (Chappelle Show) he did skits where he got shit from Black Americans too.

      He is one of the few comedians today that does not really care about being Politically Correct.

      I think the most important thing is for people to not cower to censorship and Dave Chappelle has fought that for some time.

      1. His non-political correctness appears to be grounded in group identity–certainly as it was presented in that show. And I’m not sure that’s politically incorrect at all.

  24. A note to our Millennial veterans: this former Marine thanks you for your service.

    However, both in terms of absolute numbers and as a percentage of their generation more Boomers fought in Vietnam than Millennials have fought in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    More members of the GI Generation were killed on Okinawa in a 3 month period than all the Millennials who died in 18 years of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

    So yes, you have served your country well. But no, you are not “the Greatest Generation”.

    1. No one is claiming they are the ‘greatest generation’. That is a rather stupid appellation that Brokaw coined for the WW2ers.

      Scott Walker didn’t serve a single day and, like most of that sort, believes strongly that others need to sacrifice so that he can judge whether they sacrificed ‘sufficiently’ enough in order to be able to speak. He has proven that he is scum.

    2. +100

      Millennials cry about war and bitch about their military service.

      Not only did 407,000+ American men die and 671,800+ were wounded in WWII but some families lost multiple men. The Sullivan family lost 5 brothers at one time.

      Thanks to all military members to served their country. Now vote for politicians (not Democrats and not RINOs) who do not get the USA involved in stupid shitholes around the World which tends to drag the USA into war.

      Bin Laden said part of his justification for attacking the USA was because of our involvement against Iraq in 1990-1991. Another reason was keeping US troops stationed on Arab land.

      Imagine no Gulf War, Trade Center Bombing 1993, September 11 attack, Afghanistan invasion, Iraq War 2003….Endless War….

      1. Are you really gatekeeping mourning the deaths of American soldiers? “You damn kids get off my lawn! And take those corpses witcha!”

        1. I’m sorry you don’t have any perspective in life.

          Call 911 for a Whaaaaabulance!

          1. I know several millennials who have been killed or wounded in the Middle East. If you wanna characterize the pain that they and their families suffer as ‘crying and bitching’, that’s fine. Just don’t be surprised when people call you a piece of shit, which you are.

  25. In other news, Madeleine Westerhout, Special Assistant to the President and Director of Oval Office Operations, “resigned” after being caught leaking to the press about things she shouldn’t have been. Somebody needs to find out who it is at the White House that keeps hiring these terrible people, from Jeff Sessions to “The Mooch” to Jerome Powell, and fire their ass. Whoever it is that keeps making these awful picks sure as hell isn’t doing Trump any favors and certainly isn’t the great judge of character that Trump is.

    1. I don’t mind the executive branch hiring people who will leak things.

      1. We call them patriots. Constitutionalists.
        Heroes.

  26. What you don’t have, though, is the right to take out your frustration at failure in the political arena by resorting to violence.

    The use of violence is the sole privilege of those who succeeded in the political arena.

  27. • “Your right to free speech does not automatically mean that people will agree with you. In fact, you have an absolute God-given and inalienable right to be on the losing end of this argument,” U.S. Attorney Justin Herdman told a room full of Ohio police chiefs yesterday.

    Great quote. Even better that he was speaking to advocates of white supremacists, not the police chiefs..

    Now let me speak generally to those who are advocates for white supremacy, or white nationalism. I am talking directly to you. The Constitution protects your right to speak, your right to think, and your right to believe. If you want to waste the blessings of liberty by going down a path of hatred and failed ideologies, that is your choice.

    Democracy allows you to test those ideas in the public forum. If you want to submit your beliefs to the American people and get their reaction, please be my guest. Keep this in mind, though. Thousands and thousands of young Americans already voted with their lives to ensure that this same message of intolerance, death, and destruction would not prevail – you can count their ballots by visiting any American cemetery in North Africa, Italy, France, or Belgium and tallying the white headstones. You can also recite the many names of civil rights advocates who bled and died in opposing supporters of those same ideologies of hatred. Their voices may be distant, but they can still be heard.

    Go ahead and make your case for Nazism, a white nation, and racial superiority. The Constitution may give you a voice, but it doesn’t guarantee you a receptive audience.

    Your right to free speech does not automatically mean that people will agree with you. In fact, you have an absolute God-given and inalienable right to be on the losing end of this argument.

    What you don’t have, though, is the right to take out your frustration at failure in the political arena by resorting to violence. You don’t have any right to threaten the lives and well-being of our neighbors. They have an absolute God-given and inalienable right to live peacefully, to worship as they please, to be free from fear that they might become a target simply because of the color of their skin, the country of their birth, or the form of their prayer.

    Threatening to kill Jewish people, gunning down innocent Latinos on a weekend shopping trip, planning and plotting to perpetrate murders in the name of a nonsense racial theory, sitting to pray with God-fearing people who you execute moments later – those actions don’t make you soldiers, they make you criminals. Law enforcement doesn’t go to war with cowards who break the law, we arrest them and send them to prison.

    Unless the local police support the assault, and the President lies about who launched it.

    1. HIhn is just so tedious. Great job bringing forth the context of a quote and then ruins any point he may have made with TDS nonsense and a mischaracterization of who did what in Charlottesville.

      This is why so many tell you to fuck off, Hihn. You just don’t understand that there is a time to shut up, sit down and allow people come to their own conclusions.

        1. Poor lunatic Hihn. Just yelling at himself now.

      1. TDS nonsense and a mischaracterization of who did what in Charlottesville.

        (smirk)

        Absolute, undeniable proof …. How so many Trumpsters suffer severe denial (a psychiatric problem)

        Now Trump’s totally shameless lie about Charlottesville, sucking up to white supremacists and neo-nazies. Bad enough that he said both sides were to blame. But he also went bat-shit crazy, saying the counter-protesters charged the nazis, swinging clubs. TOTAL psycho.

        cont’d

        c

        1. Cont’d

          Initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking iwth clubs, against peaceful protesters
          “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
          Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
          Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

          Cont’d

        2. Cont’d

          The actual video …Trump’s own voice … stating a PROVEN lie … as a snotty punk.

          https://youtube.com/watch?v=xgOfyqy1r2o
          “What about the alt left that came charging at, as you say, at the alt right? Do they have any assemblage of guilt? What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do,

          TRUMP IS A FUCKING FASCIST ,.. LYING TO DEFEND NAZI AND RACIST VIOLENCE

          Cont’d

        3. Cont’d
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          4 men charged in violent Charlottesville rally described as ‘serial rioters’

          Three members of a white supremacist group were sentenced to prison Friday for kicking, choking and punching multiple people during the 2017 “United the Right” rally in Charlottesville and other rallies in California. The three were members of the California-based militant white supremacist organization “Rise Above Movement.” The group no longer exists, according to the attorney’s office.

          A fourth defendant, Cole Evan White, will be sentenced at a later date, the attorney’s office said.

          “These defendants, motivated by hateful ideology, incited and committed acts of violence in Charlottesville, as well at other purported political rallies in California,” U.S. Attorney Thomas T. Cullen said.

          “They were not interested in peaceful protest or lawful First Amendment expression; instead, they intended to provoke and engage in street battles with those that they perceived as their enemies.”

          Guilty … Court of Law … Another conspiracy? … TDS? … (lol)

          This is why so many tell you to fuck off, Hihn. You just don’t understand that there is a time to shut up, sit down and allow people come to their own conclusions.

          (omfg) Conclusions based on refusing to see evidence!!! … And PROUD of denying in-con-veeeeenn-yent facts!
          SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SIT DOWN (by YOUR rules)

          Watch this thread. Trump, Chuckles and Tulpa are not the only sad sacks in the alt-right.

          Posted in self–defense of infantile aggression (in shameful defense of violent fascists and racists, and their orange hero)

  28. And by “policeman” Graham means “targets”.

  29. Miami orders scooters removed from streets before hurricane Dorian turns them into flying projectiles

    Who would have known that all cities needed was an approaching hurricane to get rid of those scooters.

  30. Trial Date Set For Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 4 Others Charged In 9/11 Attacks

    reason missed this? I wonder if Trump will get the Nobel Prize for giving these assholes trials and closing down Gitmo.

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  32. Reason’s Narrative: Trump Caves to Lindsey Graham; U.S. Troops To Stay the Neverending Course in Afghanistan

    Reality: Under the proposed deal, the initial withdrawal would include roughly 5,000 of the 14,000 U.S. troops in the country.

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