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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: 'I Have a Lot of Common Ground With Many Libertarian Viewpoints'

The democratic socialist congresswoman also criticized Republican hypocrisy.

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) spends much of her time in the public eye separating herself from the pack in Washington, D.C. Sometimes that means criticizing the GOP, other times, lamenting what she sees as the sheepishness of her own party. But in an Instagram live stream last week, the democratic socialist congresswoman told viewers that she does find some commonality with libertarians.

"I actually think I have a lot of common ground with many libertarian viewpoints in [the Republican] party," Ocasio-Cortez said, emphasizing her stances on immigration, the military, and privacy rights. Her admission comes not long after she and Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) publicly agreed on the need to prohibit former congresspeople from becoming lobbyists, as well as to make hormonal birth control available over the counter.

"True libertarians, which many happen to be in the Republican Party, true libertarian viewpoints are pro-immigration," she explained on Instagram. Advocates of smaller government do indeed acknowledge that immigrants help the economy, and many dismiss the notion that the federal government is capable of determining optimal migration levels.

Ocasio-Cortez also told Instagram viewers that her "anti-interventionist" and "anti-war" positioning fits in line with a libertarian mindset. "From the perspective of small government, there are Republicans who are very consistently anti-war and anti-military spending," she said.

But those libertarian-leaning Republicans are an increasingly small minority within their own party. Just this June, the GOP pushed to pass the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) with a $30 billion increase in spending, after last year's version allotted more than twice the military spending of Russia and China combined. While the Democrats' version of the bill won out in the House, it still increased spending by $20 billion.

That hypocrisy isn't lost on the congresswoman, who criticized the intellectual inconsistency within their ranks. "The Republican Party in Congress is no longer ideological conservative, they are kind of this political mob," she said. "You can't count on them to reliably hold certain views anymore because they will advance certain views if it helps the president but then abandon those same principles if it doesn't help the president."

The GOP has always betrayed its principles when it suits them. Democrats have done the same. In contemporary American politics, no policy is bigger or more important than the party.

Ocasio-Cortez is right, however, that the Republican party's small-government ideals seem to have dissipated even more rapidly under Trump. Congressional GOPers have abandoned free trade and supported massive spending increases without offsetting budget cuts. And the party got a bit dimmer with the recent departure of Rep. Justin Amash (I–Mich.), the libertarian-leaning congressman and erstwhile Republican who left the GOP because he'd had enough of his colleagues' double-dealing.

And with Amash out of the party, Ocasio-Cortez will be hard-pressed to find many libertarian-minded Republicans she can work with.

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  1. AOC just upstaged OBL.

      1. OBL is non-binary, and an honorary person of color, not an actual person of color.

        1. What’s the initiation ceremony like?

          1. Bring a box of tissues, to be sure.

            1. BUKKAKE congress?

              1. Wild Bill Clinton is so jealous.

        2. Is that what obc means? I honestly have no idea.

    1. If prominent politicians are “upstaging” me by agreeing with what I’ve been writing here for almost two years, I’d like to be upstaged more often.

      1. Would you also like to be upskirted?

      2. “Prominent”?

      3. Given your handle, are you truly “open borders” (anyone can come in, no checks necessary), or “open immigration” (as I am)?

        1. THAT is a great question, RK!

      1. Unicorn Abattoir upstaged Eddy?

        1. I posted first, so technically I upstaged Fist.

    2. The Libertarian case for Alexandria Octavio Cortez.

      1. AOC is open borders, so #SocialistBarbie share’s Nick’s “core value”:
        In the 21st century, libertarians are going to have make common cause with the globalists of all parties, with the people whose core value is the right of individuals to move freely around the planet.

        Watching The Brink made me think that for all the other differences Reason has with the socialist magazine Jacobin, it may matter far more that we share a belief in open borders.

        https://reason.com/2019/04/12/steve-bannons-economic-nationalism-is-th/

        Open Borders Uber Alles!

        1. Open borders like the USSR? Like East Germany? Like China? Like Korea? Like Cuba?

          The one thing we know for sure is that communists are liars. The end justifies the means and they’ll say whatever they need to to get a little sympathy.

        2. Your full of shit on open borders … and we do not allow conservatards to define us.

          1. Well reasoned retort!

            1. Your own link proves you lied. Better?
              It’s YOUR job to prove, not mine to disprove. Elementary logic.
              I have called you out. You have FAILED

              This is like those wacko conspiracy emails. They have a link which says “confirmed by snopes” … which is also a lie but nobody every clicks, because. they WANT TO BELEEB.

              I check. You lose.
              And open borders is a core bullshit line for the alt-right.

              1. Hi, Hihn!

                I so missed your insane spittle flecked rants!

  2. What she doesn’t understand about libertarians is that there’s a difference between saying you support their ideas and actively supporting them. It works very well with the identity politics crowd, but libertarians can actually recognize how anti-libertarian she is.

    1. No they can’t, otherwise they wouldn’t write shit like this

      1. A libertarian wrote this article?

        1. At Reason? They don’t allow libertarians to write here.

          Only Progressitarians. Soon, socialists and NeoCons.

          1. Neoconitarian does have a certain ring to it…

        2. Binion is the same sort of libertarian that Ibn Saud was.
          From that perspective AOC is practically Rand Paul.

      2. Great, no I gotta gonna back and actually read the article instead of just reading the comments.

    2. Perhaps I’m being too technical but can you have common ground with a viewpoint?

      You have viewpoints which give you common ground with other people that share those view points. I guess she just can’t come out and say she has some common ground with libertarians.
      Am I off base here?

      1. She’s trying to pull a few to the dark side. A broken clock might be right twice a day, but all her about taxes and spending and that while small government thing before you lose your straight face.

        1. Looks likes it’s working.

          AOC clearly has as fanboy in Billy.

      2. The problem is that there isn’t really common ground. Libertarians believe in freedom of movement and freedom of choice and reducing market restrictions, which is why we’re largely happy with open immigration. They create more consumers and also more competition in the labor market, helping to drive down costs.

        That’s undermined when the people who say they’re open borders also support free healthcare for all immigrants, free housing, and guaranteed jobs with a $15 minimum wage. We can’t really work with her because she’s driving the opposite direction we are. If she accidentally finds herself voting for a decent policy, we’re not going to disapprove, but we can’t try to actually work with someone like her.

        1. Name checks out.

        2. I would agree…it isn’t really common ground. I often find that I agree with some socialists and such about some of the problems (e.g., corporate subsidies, forever wars, etc.); however, I identify those as problems for COMPLETELY different reasons and hence the solutions I have are COMPLETELY different. In my view…this isn’t common ground.

        3. Freedom of movement of people means freedom of movement of their politics.

          Countries are people.
          Import big government voters. Get bigger government.

          Open borders + democracy = invasion + subjugation

      3. I don’t think you’re off base Vic.

        Partisans tend to view the other side as cartoonish caricatures. It’s hard to admit you’ve got something in common with someone you habitually vilify.

      4. Off-base, and OUT OF THE BALLPARK.

    3. About the only thing her views have in common with libertarian views is that they’re both expressed using words.

    4. Agreed. She’s a psychopath and pathological liar and we should not trust anything she says.
      I’m not sure we can even trust what she does or will do. I would expect her to betray even her own allies from time to time.

    5. The New Green Deal, tell you what to eat, what to drive, what and where to live, dictate your medical care and a butt load of new taxes for it all.
      Anything libertarian in there?

      1. Socialism Green Is People

      2. Anything libertarian in there?

        Nobody says there was. Except you and your fellow lying bigots.

    6. How can a “thinking mind” be so totally ignorant? Or is it dishonest?

      What she doesn’t understand about libertarians is that there’s a difference between saying you support their ideas and actively supporting them.

      What does she not support, of the ones listed here. Put up or shut up.

      Why do you oppose Ted Cruz for supporting HER proposal for a lifetime ban on congresscritters EVER becoming paid lobbyists???

      How has she NOT supported anti-intervention, anti-war and personal privacy issues … WITH libertarians and OPPOSING authoritarian Republicans? Is THAT what caused your rant, that she stands with libertarians against the authoritarian right?

      Was it wrong for Ben Carson to.support her proposal that a criminal conviction NOT bar anyone from housing. WHERE, in our Constitution, do convicted criminals lose ALL their Constitutional rights, a) ever or b) after competing the legal punishment? And why has NO libertarian defended the fundamental rights involved here?

      It works very well with the identity politics crowd, but libertarians can actually recognize how anti-libertarian she is.

      Not nearly as bad as your hysteria. And your own identity politics. Will you say the same for Social Conservatives?

      And how would you know what libertarians believe … on anything?

      1. Hihnfaggot, you were banned from this site. So go away, and preferably commit suicide.

        1. You’re obviously full of shit.
          I’m not Hihn
          And I am here.

          And do you always punish people for saying things you disagree with, Herr Shithead?

      2. Another #SocialistBarbie fanboy.

    7. Absolutely Thinking Mind. As a long time libertarian, I’ll only agree with open borders when we get rid of all the forced government transfer of money from those who produce to those who don’t. Otherwise we’re just inviting foreigners to interfere in our elections, and vote to transfer more money to the non-productive along with more money to rich campaign cash contributors to the Democrat and RINO parties (in the form of government favors at our expense).

      Regardless, I don’t want people with communicable diseases, criminal records immigrating here. When we get rid of welfare, then I’ll welcome anyone else, but until then I don’t welcome people looking for a free lunch or healthcare at taxpayer expense.

  3. AOC has as many Libertarian views like Hitler had sympathy for Jews.

    1. I believe her as much as I believe jeffrey or chipper.

    2. OT, but too good to let slide:

      Joe Biden told a group of mostly Asian and Hispanic voters Wednesday that “poor kids are just as bright” as white children.

      1. Who says politicians are never honest?

        1. Who says “Don’t look at me” IS honest?

      2. Biden was addressing the Iowa Asian and Latino Coalition, which has been meeting with Democratic presidential candidates as it prepares to make an endorsement next week.

        Speaking about his education plan, which would triple federal investment in lower-income school districts, Biden said the country should challenge students and increase the number of advanced placement programs in those schools.

        “We have this notion that somehow if you’re poor you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids,” Biden said, before adding: “Wealthy kids. Black kids. Asian kids. No, I really mean it. But think how we think about it.”ON-topic and too good to let slide. (lol)

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/08/09/joe-biden-iowa-gaffe-poor-kids-as-talented-as-white-kids-des-moines-asian-and-latino-coalition/1964509001/

        1. Lucky he didn’t tell the Asian and Latino Coalition. “Hey brown kids,hang it up, you don’t stand a chance.”

      3. That was hilarious! I guess “poor” has a different meaning to some.

    3. AOC has as many Libertarian views like Hitler had sympathy for Jews.

      She obviously has more than you have.
      Of the positions listed here, which does she not defend, WITH a source. No hate-babble.

  4. Libertine. Not Libertarian.

  5. >>>common ground with many libertarian viewpoints

    mdma and free love?

    1. Nothing is more libertarian than hating capitalism and wanting the government to control every facet of life.

      1. You should check out Jeffrey Tucker’s latest column at aier about capitalism.

        1. Tucker’s an alt-right fascist, who says the Liberty Caucus are libertarian … where the founding libertarian just quit it.

          It’s a

      2. could probably let the opinions slide for the afternoon.

    2. mdma and free love?

      Have somebody read and explain the article for you.

  6. …the democratic socialist congresswoman told viewers that she does find some commonality with libertarians.

    The cucks at Reason, anyway. Am I right, fellow commenters?

    1. I just realized this was written by Billy Binion, so he might actually buy this garbage.

    2. They do want to get invited to those cocktail parties.

    3. The cucks at Reason, anyway. Am I right, fellow commenters?

      Yes, but they’re as non-libertarian as you.
      And she’s as libertatrian as the alt-right.

      Cut the dishonest bulkshit and pimping for the goobers..
      Of the positions reported here, which ones do you challenge, and why?

      Also wny is Ted Cruz a fucking traitor to you, for working with her to pass HER idea?

      Should Ben Carson be shot …for praising her proposal that people with a criminal conviction should not be denied housing? Where is that denial delegated by the Constitution.

      Not everyone is so consumed by raging tribal hatred, at the level of bigotry and lying,.

  7. She must be reading Reason

    1. I find your assumption that she can read very presumptuous.

      1. She looks at the pretty pictures and calls that “reading”.

    2. She probably read all of the comments by OBL and thought “They believe exactly what I do!!!”

    3. BB, AM, SD, MW, but nor RS, and never JS

  8. As Morgan Freeman would say…

    1. This Is CNN?

      1. That is what Morgan Freeman would say!

    2. He crawled through a river of shit and came out clean on the other side?

    3. “I don’t want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.”
      — Morgan Freeman

    4. “Donald Trump is the Honey Boo Boo of rich people.”
      — Morgan Freeman

    5. “That’s called a kiss from the lips that never smile.”

    6. “Quit bogarting that joint, man.”

    7. This is my step-grandaughter, isn’t she hot?

      1. Was waiting for that one. But my god man, you forgot the quotation marks! This shit’s important!

        Haha

  9. “True libertarians, which many happen to be in the Republican Party, true libertarian viewpoints are pro-immigration,”

    Unfortunately, in this day and age, you need to define pro-immigration.

    1. And, thank goodness she’s arrived to finally settle the debate over what makes a “true libertarian”!

    2. Unfortunately, in this day and age, you need to define pro-immigration.Thank the Trumptards, who see only their police state or OPEN BORDERS,

      Why does Trump want to slash LEGAL immigration?
      Why is he full of shot on who pays his tariffs.
      Why has he added FEWER auto jobs than Obama for the same period?
      Why has he ALREADY added more new debt (CBO 2024 forecast) than Obama did AFTER 8 years … after campaigning to PAY OFF THE ENTIRE DEBT IN 8 YEARS?

      How can Trump add more new dent than Obama, when
      Trump inherited the longest recovery EVER for an incoming President … from Obama … who inherited the worst recession since the 1930s ,..from Bush?

    3. Good Pro-Immigration:
      Easy and expedited paths to let vetted immigrants in for work and/or to become citizens.
      Bad Pro-Immigration:
      Open the borders – let anyone in unvetted. Don’t worry about illegals here, and, in fact, let them vote.
      I’d like to think a true libertarian supports the good. Clearly, AOC, the Democrat party and many writers at reason support the bad. Sad.

      1. Libertarians would support that, except for any welfare burdens, which are quite minor since they pay taxes … without representation.

        But we also support transitioning back to private charities, churches, foundations and the like. Worked MUCH better.

  10. It will be interesting to see if she’s still anti-war when a Democrat becomes President.

    1. It will be interesting to see if she’s still anti-war when she needs to subjugate US citizens.

      1. Some of her policies would empower the IRS to use it’s military like troops on the citizenry.

      2. This! The Revolution is war! You can’t be commie/socialist and be antiwar because the whole theory is violent overthrow and subjugation until The Utopia happens which it never will.

        1. Bullshit. Hysteria. Democratic socialism is nothing like that
          I don’t support it, but I won’t lie about it.

          1. No lies here. Tse pravda!

            1. No lies here. Tse pravda!

              Now TWO lies by you.
              And STUNNING ignorance

              Sweden = WRONG
              Denmark = WRONG
              Norway= WRONG

              Merriam-Webster Dictionary: democratic socialism
              Democratic means an elected government.,

              If I were you, I’d be a lot more worried about the monsters under your bed, the ghosts behind the drapery, and the bleach in your water. The Deep State has targeted you

                1. Software Problem

    2. I haven’t even seen any real evidence that she’s anti-war or anti-intervention. There was like one story where she said we needed to get troops out of Syria. Beyond that I’m really not sure if she’s done anything to prove her anti-war credentials.

      1. Well that would have aligned her with what Trump wanted so the dems had to squash that fast.

      2. She wants to go to war with planes and polluters and plastic straw users…

      3. She’s anti-military only because she wants to repurpose the funds for more Government ran safety nets. Also, can we stop with the apples to oranges comparison already to the Chinese military budget and the Russian military budget. Their reported budgets are all lies. Their government pays their troops shit. Most are poorly trained and equipped conscripts (the have a few premier units well armed and trained but most are worse than our lowest tier National Guard and Reserve unit, BTW not bashing reservist because I was one myself). A good portion of the Chinese military training is political education. Their governments either own the military suppliers or closely regulate them. The currency value is shit.
        Cutting the US Defense budget is never done correctly. Instead of cutting fat, we cut equipment, training funds and troop numbers. Our preparedness at the end of 2016 was shit, despite budget increases, because a good portion of those increases are targeted to stuff the military doesn’t need. The first thing that needs to happen is to reform research and development and procurement. To many congress Critters abuse this system to get around the no earmarks rules. The second thing is cut at least half of the DoD civilians, especially in upper ranks. Third cut half of the 0-6 and above. We are way to top heavy in the military. Then cut rules that encourage waste (the list is long). Then we can truly figure out where the DoD budget is at

      4. I haven’t even seen any real evidence that she’s anti-war or anti-intervention

        Even after reading Slate Daily Kos and Huffington Post, etc, and watching MSNBC?

  11. Hey leftists, would it kill you to be a bit more hypocritical with your beliefs now and then? We could all use an occasional break from the abuse to our freedoms and wallets

  12. This is what I’ve been saying all along. It shouldn’t bother us Koch / Reason libertarians that democratic socialists disagree with us on minor issues like the minimum wage or billionaire tax rates. The key point is they agree with us on our fundamental, non-negotiable principle: open borders.

    And with the Presidency currently occupied by an alt-right white nationalist, I’ll welcome allies like AOC any day.

    #LibertariansForAOC
    #ImmigrationAboveAll

    1. Nick’s was better satire:
      In the 21st century, libertarians are going to have make common cause with the globalists of all parties, with the people whose core value is the right of individuals to move freely around the planet.

      Watching The Brink made me think that for all the other differences Reason has with the socialist magazine Jacobin, it may matter far more that we share a belief in open borders.

      #OpenBordersUberAlles
      #LibertariansForJacobins
      #LibertariansForSocialists

      https://reason.com/2019/04/12/steve-bannons-economic-nationalism-is-th/

  13. “Her admission comes not long after she and Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) publicly agreed on the need to prohibit former congresspeople from becoming lobbyists …”

    So, IIRC correctly, a “lobbyist” is defined, loosely, as someone who works more than “part time” lobbying the government on behalf of a third party. Such lobbyists who work “full time” need to be registered as such. The rest of them, which includes all of “The People,” need not register.

    So, the next time I need a former congress critter to speak on my behalf to the government, I will make sure I only employ them “part time”: twenty hours a week — no more. And, if they are really good at their job, I will be happy to reimburse them at the rate of $400/hr. See how effective that “law” will be?

    Occasional Cortex does have something in common with Cruz: they both would like to limit our access to petition the government. Wow, how “libertarian.” NOT

    1. But now you don’t have to pay for their health benefits since they are working part time. Why does AOC want limit healthcare access? People will DIE!

      1. LOL. Well, at $400 per hour, I am sure they can afford their own healthcare!

    2. I think her newly former chief of staff and campaign head is a lobbyist.

      1. I am thinking that makes sense. I mean, who would know more about which palms to grease than a lobbyist? Or in which closets the skeletons are kept?

    3. Not to mention which: why is it libertarian to want government to decide who can do what job?

      1. I don’t know about you, but when I hire someone to do something, I just … hire them. And I don’t ask to see their “papers” or their “licenses.”

  14. What I don’t get…

    Her Green New Deal that was mocked was an “early draft” released by “mistake”.

    But there has yet to be a new, correct version. Why?

    1. Invisible ink.

      Better for the planet.

    2. Because it was actually drafted by her Chief of Staff, who recently resigned under a campaign ethics investigation.

      1. He admitted that the GND wasn’t really about the environment, and was about remaking the economy. So now people can point to his own words about the intent, so the GND is dead.

        1. So what’s next, sneaking in socialism under gun control, anti-terror, or big tech?

            1. No stone left unturned.

        2. He admitted that the GND wasn’t really about the environment, and was about remaking the economy.

          And admitted that they only tacked on the “Green” angle at the last minute to jazz it up a bit, knowing full well that nothing in the bill has anything whatsoever to do with the “Environment.”

    3. We’ve got 11 years left as a civilization, so no rush to get the final version of the GND.

  15. “The Unconventional Libertarianism of the Green New Deal.”

    1. “The Libertarian Case for the Green New Deal”

    2. The Unconventional Human Rights in Auschwitz

      The Unconventional veganism of Jimmy Dean, Oscar Mayer, and Colonel Sanders

      The Unconventional love affair between Toby Keith and Natalie Maines

  16. true libertarian viewpoints are pro-immigration

    No. They are against the initiation of violence on peaceful people whether they are immigrants or not.

    1. FFS. If we break down every single issue as being only for or against something, then it’s simply a matter of statistics that libertarians have something in common with EVERY congress critter.

      1. Not sure why this replied here. Oh well. The squirrels know best.

        1. The squirrels are the true libertarians… Expect when they steal each other’s nuts.

          1. I do expect them to steal nuts. Not sure what that’s got to do with anything.

  17. All politicians are big spenders. But only the democrats push centralized economy ran by the government. That has to be the antithesis of a libertarian society.

    Compared to AOC, a border hawk republican who votes for spending is arguably more friendly to a broad libertarian agenda – school choice, food freedom, 2A rights, low regulation, etc. Of course they have to toe the conservative party line in some instances.

    The GOP last took (what might be considered) a principled stance on spending during the sequestration fight, and the resulting government shutdown achieved little while damaging the party’s image. If a GOP president and the party united against a budget with increased spending, the government will almost certainly shut down. Because there’s no chance in hell the democrats and the media will ever take kindly to any cuts, even just cuts to increased rate of spending. “They’re killing grandmas” talking point would rule the day.

    There won’t be spending cuts unless the public wants it, and the democrats admit more moderates within the ranks who are willing to compromise. That’s the reality. A prolonged fight over spending cuts will eventually turn the tide of public opinion against the likes of Rand Paul, because everyone wants free stuff, even conservatives. Remember that the GOP was firmly united on repealing ACA but retreated to “fixing” it when the law gained popularity as people realized the odds of repeal became more likely.

    1. “But only the democrats push centralized economy ran by the government. ”

      At this point the GOP is becoming the party of a centralized economy controlled by the government. It is the GOP that is pushing tariffs, trying to impose restrictions on tech companies, pouring billions into agriculture to offset the tariffs, and spending trillions on the “military”, which is a massive distortion of our economy that the GOP never recognizes. We now have a choice between international socialists (the Dems) and national socialists (the GOP). I don’t see much libertarianism in either party.

      1. We now have a choice between international socialists (the Dems) and national socialists (the GOP).

        ^ This.

    2. “There won’t be spending cuts unless the public wants it”

      Thank you for this. I hear people on all sides bitching about politicians constantly, without ever considering whether these politicians are doing EXACTLY what the people want. It certainly applies here, and I think it applies in a lot more cases too.

  18. “True libertarian viewpoints are pro-immigration”

    True libertarian viewpoints are pro private property rights, meaning that a property owner or (contractual) community of property owners can decide who is able to immigrate.

    “For free in conjunction with trade then means trade by invitation of private households and firms only; and restricted trade does not mean protection of households and firms from uninvited goods or services, but invasion and abrogation of the right of private households and firms to extend or deny invitations to their own property. In contrast, free in conjunction with immigration does not mean immigration by invitation of individual households and firms, but unwanted invasion or forced integration; and restricted immigration actually means, or at least can mean, the protection of private households and firms from unwanted invasion and forced integration. Hence, in advocating free trade and restricted immigration, one follows the same principle: requiring an invitation for people as for goods and services.”- Hans-Hermann Hoppe

    1. Hoppe is a racist and not really a libertarian any more. His anti-immigration arguments, just like his argumentation ethics, are total and complete bullshit.

      1. “Everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler!”

    2. For the libertarian argument for free movement of people, read Michael Huemer and Adam Tebble. Or any other libertarian not associated with Lew Rockwell.

      1. We’re playing “No True Libertarian” now?

    3. Where is this “contractual” community of property owners that is stopping me from hiring someone, or renting a house to someone, solely based on where they live now? Why do they get to regulate who I can do business with?

      1. It’s called “local and state government.” In some instances, you can add “HOA management boards” to the list as well, and it happens whenever you sign for a mortgage.

  19. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: ‘I Have a Lot of Common Ground With Many Libertarian Viewpoints’

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….

    wait, did she say “common ground” or “nothing in common”?

    1. My laugh was so contagious, it spread to the border of this website.

        1. I would rather have the superpower of invincibility, but I’ll take it.

          1. “the ability to break the third wall!”

      1. Looks like Reason needs to build a wall in the comments section….

    2. AOC is about as Libertarian as Elizabeth Warren is native American.
      I can’t believe I’m the first on this thread to post this lame joke.

    3. Just because YOU oppose the libertarian positions she holds ….
      While you claim you’re ENTITLED to slurp at the government teat … by passing unconscionable deficits to your own children and grandchildren, without their vote!

      How many men force their own children to support them, against their will?

      1. I’ll clarify a long and complex thread. That’s addressed to LC1789, an entitlement queen, commented at 4:38 PM on the 8th.

        1. Hey Hihn, you’re a welfare queen living off the taxpayer dole in a Medicare facility. You’re going to die under a Trump administration. Why wait?

  20. From the article… “…she and Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) publicly agreed on the need to … making hormonal birth control available over the counter.”

    Whoa, some “common ground” between the main two main flavors of bottom-scum-sucking-dogs in DC!!!

    I am looking forward to cheap plastic flutes (for fuck’s sake!!!) being made OTC!!! WHEN is it gonna happen?!?!?

    To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!

    1. I am looking forward to cheap plastic flutes (for fuck’s sake!!!) being made OTC!!! WHEN is it gonna happen?!?!?

      When Ian Anderson becomes head of the FDA?

      1. let’s go living in the past

    2. Senators hate Ted Cruz.

      That seems like a good thing to me.

      1. In Washington, it’s almost more important to have the right enemies than the right friends.

      2. Who cares? Do you deny those positions are supported by libertarianism?

        1. Do you deny that you are a sad old obsolete piece of shit welfare leech?

    3. SQRLSY One,

      Why do YOU say those are NOT libertarian positions? As if you’d even know!
      Just checking, since you y sound like the alt-right.

      1. Hey Hihn, you sound a senile old welfare queen abandoned by his ashamed family in a Medicare facility. That’s no way to live. Maybe you should stop.

        1. Everyone knows WHY you are attacking me so viciously, even stalking me down the page. PLEASE CONTINUE HUMILIATING YOUR CAUSE.

          Thank you and God Bless.

  21. This shit is genuinely funny to me now. You turned yourselves into OBL.

    I am no longer Here For The Outrage, I am now Here to Troll. This progressive clown show of a publication used to stand up to people shouting for violence, now you’re promoting her. You used to believe in freedom, and here you are supporting a wannabe communist dictator.

    you utter twats

    1. Why do you believe AOC wants to be a “communist dictator”? Show your work.

      1. Hahaha.

        1. Why are you laughing?
          YOU are just as crazy on communism vs democratic socialism.
          Pimping bullshit and hysteria for the asses.

          1. Hey Hihn, you are severely mentally ill and treatment is futile. Do the honorable thing.

      2. She Guevara is no less libertarian the Che Guevara.

      3. She wants to be in charge of a centrally planned economy wherein everyone will supposedly have an equal amount of economic security, even those who are unwilling to work. She is a legislator with no apparent interest in the process of passing laws to such effect; she merely wants her will to be enacted and followed by the rest of us.

        1. The story says you’re full of shit,
          On the visible evidence, worse than even her

          1. Hey Hihn, you’re too senile to understand the source of your daily pills. Calm down, go have a nice bath, and slit your wrists.

      4. Yeah I don’t know about the “dictator” part, but she is certainly quite happy with the socialismzs.

        1. That’s not communism.
          When did you sell your soul to the alt-right?

          1. Hey Hihn, your soul has no value. Why prolong the inevitable?

      5. Not sure if she wants to be the dictator, but she does want to be the dictator enabler.

        She wants to empower the state is such a way that it attracts people who want to be a dictator.

        1. I believe the descriptor you’re looking for is “dictator-,adjacent”

      6. Just a hunch, and 10,000 years of human history?

    2. I’m here for my daily Two Minutes Hate on Progressitarians.

    3. I am now Here to Troll

      That’s all you’ve ever done. Now you’re alt-right mentality s even wackiwr

      This progressive clown show of a publication used to stand up to people shouting for violence, now you’re promoting her.

      LIAR.
      Do you support Trump’s HORRENDOUS LIE — defending violent nazis and racists at Charlottesville … when the cocksucker said the “alt-left” launched the violence by attacking and charging with clubs … which is what HIS supporters did?

      DID YOU BELIEVE HIM?, ..

      You used to believe in freedom, and here you are supporting a wannabe communist dictator.

      THAT tags you as an alt-right wacko … or MASSIVELY stupid on what communism is, and a dictator.

      SHE has more class and maturity than you do. Shame on you.

      1. Hey Hihn, YOU’RE A RANTING SENILE LUNATIC WELFARE QUEEN.

        You SHOULD really CONSIDER using a GUN to SHOOT YOURSELF in the HEAD.

  22. her “anti-interventionist” and “anti-war” positioning

    I can’t recall ever hearing one word from her on foreign intervention and wars. She’s certainly non “anti-interventionist” with respect to domestic policy.

    1. INTERVENTIONISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DOMESTIC POLICY.
      SO, YOU WOULDN’T KNOW IF YOU HEARD IT OR NOT!

      1. HEY HIHN, ALLCAPS MAKES YOU LOOK EVEN MORE DERANGED AND SENILE THAN YOU ALREADY ARE. KILL YOURSELF.

  23. “And with Amash out of the party, Ocasio-Cortez will be hard-pressed to find many libertarian-minded Republicans she can work with”

    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    YES, please keep going with this. Please believe her. Please ignore her blatant and open racism toward all white people. Please “work with her” to push ideological genocide. Maybe She’ll gulag you last? Please push this crap show into oblivion

    Keep clowning yourselves, I’ll be here to watch you burn this mother down

    1. “Ocasio-Cortez will be hard-pressed to find many libertarian-minded Republicans she can work with”

      Work with on what? Her Green New Deal, which reads like something that Stalin would have done next after the White Sea Canal?

      The woman is the furthest thing from Libertarianism, though she’s probably for food trucks, weed, and ass sex.

      1. All she wants is buy some rope off them.

      1. She is Latina. They don’t consider that white anymore (somehow). It used to be groups tried to get accepted as white, now they are fighting to not be labeled white. On another note, you notice it is only those who are descended from the Iberian peninsula or one of the colonies who can describe themselves as Latin(x)? Arianna Grande, who is Italian was accused of cultural appropriation when she referred to herself as Latina. Obviously they’ve never studied history or which people invented the Latin language.

        1. Actually, they are white if they are to the right of Mao, and therefore worthy of hate; they are people of color only if they are true believers worthy of a place on the central planning committee.

        2. she is Latina. They don’t consider that white anymore (somehow)

          How uninformed can you be?.
          Hispanics can be EITHER brown or white … which is on EVERY online poll or survey.

          And has ALWAYS been that way.

          1. Hey Hihn, the results of the latest online survey are in. It turns out 100% of respondents are in favor of you killing yourself.

          2. Ariana is Latin, but not Hispanic.

  24. “The Republican Party in Congress is no longer ideological conservative, they are kind of this political mob,” she said.

    So…you want them to be conservative?

    1. “Republican Party in Congress” == “political mob”, yes! Has been true AT LEAST IF NOT MORE since Der TrumpfenFuhrer got elected!

      (Is true of the Evil Party as well as the Stupid Party for some time now, not sure how long).

      What else is new? Will there be more news at 11:00?!? Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!!!

    2. Democrats have been labeling Republicans with these kinds of exceptional labels since Goldwater. The only ones who give a shit about such things are largely gone from the party now.

      1. But the democrats have been right about those labels since Goldwater.
        They told me if I voted for Goldwater the US economy would go into a tailspin, there would be race riots in the major cities, and we would drift into an interminable land war is southeast Asia.
        Yet, I voted for Goldwater anyway; and damn if it didn’t all come true.

    3. If you don’t know what ideological means, then she is MUCH smarter than you! Not everyone is consumed by partisan hatred, In fact, very few Americans, left, right or middle, would emulate your ilk on that,

      The vast majority DETEST all the tribal hatred these days.
      from BOTH (self-righteous) sides

      1. Hey Hihn, everyone DETESTS you. Everyone you have ever met. And your family especially. You should ease their burden and their shame and kill yourself.

  25. This is a warning for Libertarians to change some of their viewpoints.

    1. She is full of shit and so is reason.

    2. Which ones, Sport?
      (We ignore you authoritarians)

      1. You ignore reality because you’re senile and have the mental capabilities of a small child as a result of your illness. What kind of quality of life do you have? Do the dignified thing brother.

  26. I’m going to give Mr. Binion the benefit of the doubt and assume that he is simply reporting in a neutral manner on the public comments of a prominent member of Congress that had a vague connection to libertarianism, and not actually doing something silly like endorsing AOC or anything.

    1. That would be an easier position to defend if he hadn’t spent so much time tipping his cap to AOC for her views on the Republican party while making no mention of the decidedly anti-libertarian positions AOC espouses on the vast majority of issues.

    2. “I’m going to stick my head in the sand and pretend because even I’m embarrassed by Reason going down on #SocialistBarbie”

    3. You;d have to be the biggest dumbfuck in the universe to assume otherwise … as so many here are by doing so..

      1. Hey Hihn, you are dumber than chemjeff which is a remarkable achievement. You’re also completely insane and a welfare leech. Kill yourself.

        1. But he’s a much better dancing clown.

  27. AOC is full of shit and so is reason.

    1. The Reader’s Digest summary of this article.

    2. Says the hypocrite who demands ENTITLEMENT to slurp the government teat .. of money stolen from his own children and grandchildren.

      1. You’re a welfare queen living on Medicare at the expense of society Hihn. Be glad that we tolerate we instead of letting you die. In exchange for our kindness you should preserve whatever shred of dignity you ever might have had and kill yourself.

  28. Republicans are not a monolithic bloc, for better or worse. They do not all have the same positions or prioritize them the same way. When a significant number of them did stand on principle in the recent past, they were called extremists ideologues for doing so.

    Furthermore, in a representative republic, you are not going to get everything you want, when you want it, especially when you have scant majorities in the legislative houses. You have to take what you can get, and being willing to spend political capital on one principle may mean you do not have it to spend on others.

    It is quite easy for libertarians to gripe about lack of principle in the major parties, and there is much merit to it to be sure, but libertarians do not govern and what compromises they are willing to do may look very different if they did.

    1. but libertarians do not govern and what compromises they are willing to do may look very different if they did.

      It is a difficult conversation, to be sure.

      If AOC came out tomorrow and said “abolish the NSA and legalize weed”, I am sure more than half of the commenters here would say “I don’t care, AOC is an abomination, there is nothing that she can say that would persuade me to voice any support for her whatsoever”. And they’d have some good reason to do so. But if those same people were Libertarian legislators, it would be a different discussion I think.

      1. I think we have agreed to support her policy of ending ICE.

        1. How am I supposed to keep my rum and coke cold?

      2. chemjeff regained his sanity!

        1. Coming from a senile mentally ill welfare queen that’s quite a compliment!

      3. It’s amazing how the delusional alternate reality scenarios in your head support the inevitable conclusion that international communism is the only practical solution to politics.

  29. Billy needs to put down the crack pipe before he puts fingers on the keyboard.

  30. AOC is an ass sucking shithead.

    1. Ass sucking shitface, if she’s ass sucking.

      Don’t get lazy on the metaphors.

    2. When this is all Ken has to say, you know Reason had gone too far.

      Libertarians for the extermination of whites!

  31. I got as far as “true libertarians in the Republican party…”

    1. There WERE, long ago.
      Before Ron Paul fucked it all up (not alone).

      1. Hey Hihn, Hank Phillips the ranting conspiracy theorist makes you look sane. You should consider that while you put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

  32. It’s hard to get excited about AOC’s open boarders and non-war when they’re footnotes to the $800 trillion green dream plan…

  33. Well, that headline is going to go over well here. Half the commentators define their “libertarianism” around not being Democrats/liberals.

    1. That’s the other half of the battle.

    2. Yeah, and they’re blatantly authoritarian right.

      1. You’re blatantly senile and obsolete Hihn. You’re on the verge of dying under a Trump presidency anyway. Why not get a jump on the inevitable?

  34. AOC “I share a lot in common with libertarians. For example a lot of libertarians like ketchup with their fries and guess what? So do I!”

    1. Fake news!!
      French fries require oil. She hates oil.
      Q.E.D.

      1. Fries/chips are better with malt vinegar. They really require beef tallow, but the herbivores freak out over that.

  35. she and Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) publicly agreed on the need to prohibit former congresspeople from becoming lobbyists and making hormonal birth control available over the counter.

    Need clarification, Billy. Is that “prohibit … EITHER becoming lobbyists OR making hormonal birth control available”, or “prohibit … from becoming lobbyists THEN making hormonal birth control available”?

    1. More birth control clearly leads to fewer lobbyists. At least that was my takeaway from this article.

      1. Fiind a 12-year-old to read an explaond

        1. Hey Hihn, it’s hilarious when you spit out 5 typos in a one sentence post because your brain is so fucking rotted. Why do you want to continue living like this as a pathetic welfare queen? Kill yourself.

  36. Well she did say, “I’ll end the failed war on drugs, legalize marijuana, end cash bail, and ban private prisons and bring about real criminal justice reform. I’ll crack down on the overreaching intel agencies and big tech monopolies who threaten our civil liberties and free speech.” Oh wait, that was Tulsi Gabbard.

  37. “true libertarian viewpoints are pro-immigration”…….lol…she is much an intellectual lightweight as writers for Reason….lol

    1. “true libertarian viewpoints are pro-immigration”…….lol…she is much an intellectual

      Yeah, she knows what’s blatanttly obvious abiius. (lol)

      1. Hey Hihn, you know what’s blatantly obvious? That you’re a mentally ill subhuman welfare leech who should kill himself.

  38. Reagan prioritized the Cold War over fiscal conservatism.

    W preferred compassion. His limited efforts on reforming social security proved it was indeed the third rail of politics.

    I do think that at the state and local level Republicans are far more fiscally conservative than Democrats. YMMV

    1. Reagan prioritized the Cold War over fiscal conservatism.

      MASSIVE BULLSHIT. Google the Grace Commission. THE most serious attempt to ACTUALLY slash government spending — unlike the bullshit slogans of Ron/Rand Paul.

      Peter Grace was an entrepreneurial billionaire, like Perot, but sane.
      He recruited a large team of professional accountants and managers to go out into the departments, all across America, to find how to PRUDENTLY be cut spending. . No bullshit congressional committees! They found a LOT. $10 trillion by 2000, if it had passed — roughly HALF the current debt. Plus 19 years more of reduced spending

      What happened? It was buried in committee, by a REPUBLICAN Senate — so they’ve always been full of shit on deficits. That’s when he began talking about a Line Item Veto, against his own party!

      Later, he wanted to use the collapse of the Cold War, to convert military spending to spending cuts, where the term “peace dividend” came from.
      That proved hopeless also.

      NO president has been more fiscally determined. Ever. Combine that with his leadership on gay rights, way back in the 70s (with Goldwater) … and you see our first libertarian President. Not even any CANDIDATE comes close.

      1. Hey Hihn, you’re mentally ill and you were functionally retarded long before you lost your mind. Do your family and society a favor and kill yourself.

  39. Foreign journalists (at the Daily Mail) do the work Americans just won’t do and find out background of El Paso shooter’s family.

    It took lots of leg work – they had to look up a book written by the shooter’s dad – talk about rigorous research.

    “EXCLUSIVE: El Paso Walmart mass shooter Patrick Crusius’ father admits to nearly 40 years of drug addiction which tore apart his family and claims he has spoken directly to Jesus”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7319821/El-Paso-Walmart-shooter-Patrick-Crusius-father-penned-book-life-drug-addiction.html

  40. “Reason” has been infiltrated by progressive leftists. I assume that this Binion character is one of them.

    1. The “infiltrated” ship set sail years ago.

      The Long March Through the Institutions trampled the libertarianism out of Reason, and replaced it with fanboys of #SocialistBarbie.

    2. He’s the same one that had a shitfit over Oberlin getting dunked on for its left-wing mob tactics.

    3. Libertarians have been fiscally conservative and socially liberal for 50 years, which EXPLODES BRAINS in the alt-right (and it’s predecessors)

      But they’re dying off, as over 60% of Americans would SELF-define as … fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

      Republicans have been HORRIBLE on personal issues for decades, mostly from the Christian Taliban. Their TOTAL failure, fiscally, peaked under Trump, where, by last year, they had ALREADY added more new debt than Obama did AFTER 8 years (CBO 2024 forecast). And just added MORE!

      Also the first administration to increase the deficit by over 40% … in a single year … with a booming economy. These are the times to pay down debt .. and Trumpass did campaign on paying off the entire federal debt … in 8 years!i Trumpsters be suckers of the century.

      1. Hey Hihn, you’ve been a worthless welfare queen for as long as you’ve been alive. You should do something about that.

  41. Judging by the comments there is again no middle ground. Its all zero-sum. If she is not with me on everything then she is against me on everything. How about getting a few things done if both side can agree. What is wrong with that?

    1. Thank you moderate NPC for promoting the work of a woman that just today said white people have a virus of white supremacy inside of them, and it can be engaged at any time. Please please please keep going

      1. I guess that’s a yes vote for zero sum.

        1. They’re assholes …. YOU will understand how she is VASTLY superior to all of them. As part of the original story on Cruz offering to help achieve HER goal, this is what she said.

          She shared a video of Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson saying he agreed with her that people with criminal records should be able to get housing.

          “So often, bipartisanship is marketed as: a) something only ‘centrist moderates’ are capable of, or b) giving up your principles to ’get things done’,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “I couldn’t disagree more. You don’t have to abandon your principles to agree. Being curious about other people’s values helps, too.”

          How many LOSERS here, DEMAND that she abandon her principles, which just PROVES how pathetic they are.

          I never agreed with Ted Kennedy — after his leadership in 197Os deregulation … but he was the best legislator in 50 years … and passed more landmark legislation that I LIKE, than anyone else … always with a Republican co-sponsor … who was often … ORIN HATCH, which the screeching goobers will NEVER understand.,

          While the 12-year-old boys stand around, comparing their (tiny) dicks. The adults are working together and achieving things. They kids lose. for the same reason Trump does — they always play for a win-lose .. which is MANLY …. never a win-win, because who the FUCK would make a deal with them that they LOSE? duh
          It worked in real estate, because he bullied people (but FAILED in ALL his actual businesses) .. which is why EVERY foreign leader kicks his snarling ass. THEY DO NOT NEED HIM.

          Why is this rocket science? NOBODY will work with a snarling bully unless they are forced to. if you cannot force them, shut the fuck up and sit down, dumbass. Or you’ll wind up achieving NOTHING, as a whiny pussy.

          1. Stop replying to your own sockpuppet accounts you pathetic communist welfare leeching piece of subhuman shit. You are disgrace to humanity and your family. Stop putting them through this embarrassment, do the dignified thing, kill yourself.

            1. if some Ds and Rs worked together to _repeal_ some boneheaded laws, that I would respect!

    2. Hey Hihn, if you kill yourself I promise I will keep posting delusional rantings under your sockpuppet accounts.

  42. Wow, Reason really published this. “Ackshually, AOC is the Hispanic Ayn Rand.” Despite Reason’s recent leftward tilt, I never thought I’d read that here.

    Aside from her desire to completely control the US economy and micromanage every aspect of American life, she’s totes libertarian.

    1. Wow, Reason really published this. “Ackshually, AOC is the Hispanic Ayn Rand.” Despite Reason’s recent leftward tilt, I never thought …

      You clearly don’t know how to.
      Losers never do.

      Libertarians have been fiscally conservative and SOCIALLY liberal for over 50 years. Oppose EITHER and you MUST be an AUTHORITARIAN.
      On top of the already noted ignorance.

      1. You’ve been an obsolete welfare queen for the last 50 years. Time’s up you pathetic old worthless piece of shit. Make it easier on yourself and everyone else and do the job yourself.

  43. Speaking of Reason Hot Takes, if (or rather, when) China decides to send the PLA into Hong Kong and go all Tiananmen Square on the protesters I fully expect to read an article from Boehm patiently explaining how it was all caused by Trump’s tariffs.

    1. And if Trump doesn’t criticize it strong enough Shackleford or Shikha will state it is because he likes toadying up to dictators. And if he criticizes it to much, it is because he is to close to Putin.

  44. Just because I want the trains to run on time doesn’t mean I would ally myself to National Socialists.

    1. Yeah, we can agree that when the big hand points here and the little hand there, it’s a certain time.
      There’s a bit more agreement, but not enough to keep me from holding my nose when she pitches her commie crap.

    2. And “small government” giving us the ‘green new deal’? Liar or stupid.

      1. And “small government” giving us the ‘green new deal’? Liar or stupid.

        That comment makes you BOTH
        And a psychopathic liar.

        1. Hey Hihn, you’re retarded and mentally ill. You should kill yourself instead of sucking up taxpayer dollars prolonging the inevitable.

    3. The Japs. Those cats really know how to run a train.

  45. Sorry she is a loon….. The idea that Republicans are against Immigration is SILLY. Then again OAC and many call the people streaming across the border, breaking our immigration laws and costing the US over 200 Billion a year are not Immigrants, They are Illegal Aliens. There are HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of people around the world who would like to come here because of what Americans have built here but we cannot take them all. We cannot even get people off the Street in San Francisco or have them stop killing each other in Chicago. How are we supposed to take everyone?

    1. One million immigrants a year. Not enough though, too many are based on merit, not enough based on skin color.

      1. We naturalize 1M new citizens per year, we take in more immigrants than that.

    2. Solving San Fran and Chicago is simple, end drug prohibition.

      1. Really, because ending alcohol prohibition ended all crime and homelessness? Oh, so when it doesn’t work completely, what else will we blame it on? Ending drug prohibition will have little to no impact on homelessness. And the gangs will find something else illegal to do. Yes the war on drugs is a failure but ending it is not some magic wand that will end all organized crime.

        1. He never said it was.
          Learn how to follow a thread.
          Then see what he responded to.
          And apologize, as any honorable person would.

    3. Sorry she is a loon….. The idea that Republicans are against Immigration is SILLY

      Trumptards be … tards.
      World class.

      1. Hey Hihn, ask the orderlies if they have any cyanide you can put in your coffee.

  46. I had to come back and read it again. I thought to myself… so,etimes you misread, sometimes you get too fired up…. I read it again, and again, and holy shit it’s even worse than I thought.

    Today she said all white people have a white supremacy virus that can be activated at any time. So once you get your open borders and the new green deal, you’re no longer going to be able to complain about the devastating economic impacts, because that’s your “white supremacy virus” acting up, and you’ll have to get sent for re-education… me? I’ll be dead and gone.. don’t worry though, at least you’ll have your precious penniless Guatemalans ready to move into your house after you get sent away.

    1. Today she said all white people have a white supremacy virus that can be activated at any time.

      That’s not what she said.

      This is what she said:

      https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-white-supremacy-trump-el-paso-1453192

      In a series of tweets posted in the wake of the shooting in El Paso, Texas, by a suspected white supremacist that killed 22 people, Ocasio-Cortez said racism is the “original sin” of the country and has never truly gone away.

      Ocasio-Cortez described how there is a difference between white supremacists and white supremacy, comparing the latter to a virus.

      “Supremacists are those who have been completely overcome by the disease, but supremacy—the virus—exists on a larger scale beyond just the infected. It also lays dormant.”

      The congresswoman used several examples throughout history, leading right up to President Donald Trump’s supporters chanting “send her back” about Rep. Ilhan Omar at a rally in North Carolina, as proof that white supremacy has frequently been active in the U.S.

      The chanting arrived after Trump suggested Omar, Ocasio-Cortez and two other congresswomen of color “go back” to their own counties despite all four being U.S. citizens and three being born in this country.

      “White supremacy is often subconscious and clearly, our nation has not been inoculated,” she wrote. “WS is our nation’s original sin; the driving logic of slavery, of Native genocide, of Jim Crow, of segregation, of mass incarceration, of ‘Send Her Back’. It never went away. It was just dormant.”

      Ocasio-Cortez added that ending white supremacy in this country will be difficult as it will require a lot of self-reflection.

      “We wish it was as simple as denouncing a white hood, a burnt cross, vile language. But we need to address where supremacy *begins,* not just where it ends,” she said.

      “Recognizing white supremacy in ourselves—our institutions, our subconscious, our own past remarks or acts (no matter how consciously unintentional), is what makes the healing work ahead challenging.

      “It is incredibly important that we recognize that perfectly normal, good people are capable of aiding racism & white supremacy.

      “Recognizing that is not about pillorying people. It’s about learning to recognize *the virus* & end an oppressive system designed to hurt us *all.*”

      She’s basically discussing the concept of unconscious bias. Maybe comparing it to a “virus” was an inapt comparison. But unconscious bias is a real thing. Even the alt-righters will sometimes point out that human beings are “pre-disposed” to favor members over their own race. I don’t think she’s wrong about the concept of unconscious bias itself. If she or anyone else were to propose state-imposed “re-education” of course that would be wrong, but it’s not wrong to talk about bias.

      1. Hell yeah I’m for white supremacy. Whites created the modern world. The Enlightenment was brought into being by a bunch of white Scottish dudes. The Dutch and English created worldwide commerce. What have Africa and South America given the world? Ebola and tomatoes?

        1. The pie chart of human innovation and progress is decidedly ummmm, pale.

          People see what they see. Is that a “virus”?

        2. Umm, yeah. Maybe this is part of the problem right here.

          1. Then again maybe the problem is that you’re a fucking communist retard who should gas himself. Just a thought.

        3. The Dutch and English created world wide commerce?

          The Italians did before them.

      2. “The chanting arrived after Trump suggested Omar, Ocasio-Cortez and two other congresswomen of color “go back” to their own counties ”

        “…their own countries…” is speciously added onto what Trump actually said.

        What he actually said was “Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done.”

        The words “totally broken and crime infested places” very accurately defines the Squad’s home districts.

      3. Thanks, Ryan is a crazy-fuck, hate-spewing liar.
        And WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH over IceTrey’s “head” (???????)

        She’s not even here, but KILLING all the haters and bigots.

        1. You should consider KILLING yourself Hihn. You are useless and obsolete costing taxpayers thousands of dollars. Do the right thing for society.

      4. That’s not what she said.

        This is what she said:

        So… yeah, that’s actually exactly what she said, which is why you felt the need to paraphrase it immediately afterward despite providing the full quote to make it mean something other than what it says. You should kill yourself before the right wing juggernaut gets to you. Do it for humanity.

  47. I guess if you count my viewpoints that water is wet, fire is hot, ice is cold, the sky is blue and nice things are nice, AOC and Hitler and I do share a lot of common ground. I wouldn’t bet on whether or not it’s just me and Hitler that agree that 2+2=4, however.

    1. It’s probably not safe to trust her ability to do math, economics degree notwithstanding.

  48. “It Might Be Time To Cut My Right-Wing, Trump-Loving In-Laws Out Of My Kids’ Lives…

    “Then, shortly after Heather Heyer was run down and murdered by driver spurred on by fellow white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia, and after the president said that there were “good people on both sides,” I sent my mother-in-law a text. As a Jewish woman with half-Jewish children, I wanted her to know that her support of a president who says incendiary, race-baiting things affects people like me. It affects my kids.

    “In a winding, wending message, I told her how Jews have been targeted since the dawn of time, and how the particular brand of hate espoused by white supremacists, and, tangentially, the president, was pretty familiar to me; I had experienced it my entire life. It was likely her grandkids would, too. I was hopeful that a human connection — that the world through the eyes of a real, live liberal (and her daughter-in-law, no less) and not just a Fox News caricature — could convince her that words and actions matter. I was hopeful that she might show courage in the face of an obvious wrong.

    ““Thank you for your note,” she wrote back. We never spoke of it again.

    “This was probably when I started to believe that my in-laws would never change.”…

    “…I can’t just go on pretending that we’re a normal family. It’s not like I can just leave them with the kids for the night and hope they don’t say something awful about a marginalized group of people while I’m out enjoying a martini with my husband. That safety has been stolen from both of us.

    “When I asked them to stop watching right-wing cable news in the living room of our home (“You’re afraid of the truth,” my father-in-law snapped back), they rerouted to their computers. They now take solace at the kitchen table, laptops kissing, where they sift through whatever degradation the right happens to be pushing at that moment. Tucker Carlson drones on, and then Sean Hannity. They cannot get enough, and they will not stop. Days fade from bright to bruise as they sit at their computers, happily held hostage by alternative facts.

    “Their hatred is expanding, and it’s expanding quickly….

    ““You’re choosing politics over family,” my mother-in-law says when we bring these things up. But she’s wrong about that. Really, I’m choosing my own family over her politics, over her intolerant behavior….

    “What I do know is that, as my in-laws’ bigotry grows more entrenched, fomented by American radicalism, the idea of them in our lives seems less and less possible.”

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-cutting-off-relatives_n_5d448ed4e4b0ca604e31f5ba

    1. John already posted this earlier today, and we had a nice, friendly discussion that led to a mutual understanding that brought us closer together.

      1. Then I should have known better than to risk that again.

    2. They aren’t the bigots sweetheart.

    3. If she’s Jewish her kids are Jewish. It passes through the mother. She doesn’t even know the basic tenets of her faith.

    4. Isn’t Kushner Jewish, and his and Ivanka kids Jewish? What Anti-Semetic has Trump supposedly done?

      1. Speculating out loud about cuckolding his son-in-law is probably bad enough.

    5. Now Trump’s totally shameless lie about Charlottesville, sucking up to white supremacists and neo-nazies.

      Bad enough that he said both sides were to blame. But he also went bat-shit crazy, saying the counter-protesters charged the nazis, swinging clubs.

      UNDENIABLE proof that TRUMP is a fucking psycho bigot
      The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs


      “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
      Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
      Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.
      Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry.

      These are Racists and Jew-Haters.
      Ivanka and Jerod are Jewish.
      Trump threw his own daughter under a bus. What a piece of shameless shit.

      Left – Right = Zero
      Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
      As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction, roaring like dinosaurs, chirping like dodo birds.

      1. Hey Hihn, have you ever considered sharpening the plastic spork they give you with your TV dinners at 5:30 PM in your Medicare assisted living facility and stabbing it directly into you carotid artery?

        1. Now Trump’s totally shameless lie about Charlottesville, sucking up to white supremacists and neo-nazies. Bad enough that he said both sides were to blame. But he also went bat-shit crazy, saying the counter-protesters charged the nazis, swinging clubs. UNDENIABLE proof

          The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
          “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
          Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
          Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

          Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry.

          These are Racists and Jew-Haters.
          Ivanka and Jerod are Jewish.
          Trump threw his own daughter under a bus. SHAMEFUL.

          Left – Right = Zero
          Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
          As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction, roaring like dinosaurs, chirping like dodo birds.

  49. I have a lot of common ground with Democrats, right up to where they hate me for being rich.

    1. What do you mean, they *love* your money!

  50. A true libertarian would never be in the Republican party.

    1. Not a fan of Rand Paul, I take it?

      A true libertarian politician would be too busy either getting shot, or shooting in the circular firing squad so beloved by that party.

      Remember people: first you win, then you purge the unbelievers. Not the other way around.

      1. Anyone who thinks Rand Paul is a libertarian … cannot think,
        To be fair, he’s not a total bat-shit crazy bigot, like his dad.
        Just a raging moral hypocrite, who shut down the government over spending, LYING that he cared about the deficits … then voted FOR a tax cut that’s even WORSE on the deficit ….making Trump worse than even Obama on debt!!! (CBO 2024 forecast)

        Possibly one of the RETARDS who says tax cuts are “keeping more of my own money” … STOLEN FROM THEIR CHILDREN’S MONEY, WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE

        Rand is trapped, His base is the same as Trump’s. The alt-right, largely created by his dad’s states rights bullshit, and his DICTATORIAL attempt to suspend the Constitution for gays.

        The entirety of fiscal conservatism is dead. Slain by the alt-right

        1. Fuck off and die you old piece of shit welfare queen. You’re going to die under a Trump presidency long before Medicare goes broke regardless of how much money you steal vicariously from everyone else to preserve your own pathetic waste of a life.

    2. What exactly is a true Libertarian?

      1. Anyone who accepts and lives by the NAP.

        1. That’s a lie, NAP alone, promoted by BIGOTS like Paul ad Rothbard.
          And others in the alt-right

          It takes NO aggression to deny equal rights to … niggers and faggots …or woman’s suffrage …among many other authoritarian abuses..

          Fiscally conservative and socially liberal is the ONLY (short) principle that denies ANY government abuse, active or passive. in BOTH economic and personal matters.

          1. Kill yourself you retarded old obsolete communist piece of shit. Comrade Stalin would commend you for it.

    3. Also would a true Scotsman be in the GOp?

      1. As soon as the Republicans get used to guys in dresses, they’ll welcome him with open arms.

  51. I mean, sure. If you take ANY two people on the planet there is probably at least ONE thing they agree on. Hitler liked sugar, etc. But that someone shares some minuscule number of views with an electorate does not make them a viable candidate. No libertarian will ever vote for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez just because she’s pro immigration or digital privacy because she’s a straight up jack-booted assume-the-position kulaks-first-against-the-wall racist commie weirdo. I’m all for lessening the partisanship and hatred in modern times and I’m willing to compromise to a great extent in voting for people who share a good number of my beliefs that I strongly support even if they think little or actively oppose other beliefs I hold but maybe don’t care about quite as much, but there is a limit. AOC’s entire platform is so anathema to libertarian ideals that picking out the parts of it which DON’T offend libertarians is like pretending grenades aren’t that dangerous because the pin is harmless.

    1. Mix even one small dog turd in a quart of ice cream, and I’m not eating it.

      1. With AOC it’s more like Billy Binion telling us to eat an entire oil drum of dog shit because there’s a chocolate chip in there somewhere.

      2. Mix even one small dog turd in a quart of ice cream, and I’m not eating it.1) Nobody asked you to?
        2) Why are you allowed to comment here. a LARGE dog turd??

        1. I was going to respond and explain the concept of analogy, but then I realized that this is Hinh.

    2. Who are YOU to deny that libertarian principles and issues include … EVERYTHING listed here. Non-intervention, anti-war, immigration and privacy?

      No libertarian will ever vote for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez just because she’s pro immigration or digital privacy

      COWARDLY DIVERSION. Only a brainless alt-righter would refuse to work with her — OR WITH ANYONE WHO’S WILLING?.

      straight up jack-booted assume-the-position kulaks-first-against-the-wall racist commie weirdo.

      Which makes you a bat-shit crazy bigot.

      AOC’s entire platform is so anathema to libertarian ideals that picking out the parts of it which DON’T offend libertarians …

      HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?

      but there is a limit

      Hysteria much?
      WHO SAID A SINGLE SYLLABLE ABOUT VOTING FOR HER???

      1. Why do you bother running multiple sockpuppet accounts when you literally copy and paste the same content between them? Are you actually that delusional you diaper shitting old welfare queen? Go towards the light. Everything will be fine.

  52. In other news, another white male asshole decided to troll a Wal Mart in Springfield Missouri, by showing up in ‘body armor,’ fatigues, and an AR. Wherein he started pushing a cart around the store, recording himself with a phone.

    A firefighter with a CCW held him at gunpoint til the cops showed up. https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Heavy-police-presence-at-Walmart-Neighborhood-Market-in-south-Springfield-528602951.html

    Does the Left have an infinite supply of these chuckleheads on speed dial, to show up at stores and scare the shit out of people?

    ARs, or any other self-loading rifles, are going bye bye if another couple of these guys show up and start killing.

    1. Fake news, good guys with a gun never stop mass shooters.

    2. Missouri is an open carry state. The kid was assualted by the “good guy”.

  53. “I actually think I have a lot of common ground with many libertarian viewpoints in [the Republican] party,” Ocasio-Cortez said, emphasizing her stances on immigration, the military, and privacy rights.

    If you think of libertarianism as a grab bag of policies, you probably do. But, AOC, you’re a self-proclaimed socialist. Not only does that mean that you are anti-liberal, it means that you will betray anybody who works with you sooner or later.

    1. If you think of libertarianism as a grab bag of policies

      If you think that’s what she said, or even remotely close, then your alt-right credentials are now much shinier.
      But your IQ is in the toilet.

      Tell me YOUR positions on immigration and the military.
      Then stop witlessly empowering socialists.
      REWARDING people for stating sound positions has always worked better than …. bullying someone for agreeing with us.

      She clearly has far more class than you do. And maturity. On this page anyhow.

      Are you also pissed at Ted Cruz for working with her, when he should be punching her in the face, like you did? He saw something by her that he liked on Twitter, they quickly bonded, and are now working together on legislation. Goddamn adults.

      (How many psychos will now screech that I’m her supporter … while the adults know I supported certain of her comments, exactly as I stated … which is what it means to have and apply principles. )

      1. Hey Hihn, your IQ was sub-75 even before the dementia. Shut up and die you useless old sack of shit. It’s time.

      2. You are obviously functionally illiterate.

        1. Tell him why. I’m sure he’d enjoy crushing a another alt-right bully.
          Translation. Don’t be so damn childish.

          1. Childish is creating sock puppets and referring to yourself in the third person. You’re like a three year old holding his hands over his eyes and thinking that makes him invisible.

            1. Cowardly evasion

              Tell him why. I’m sure he’d enjoy crushing a another alt-right bully.

              Called out.
              FAIL

              1. They apparently allow internet access in asylums for the criminally insane now.

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  55. The only common ground AOC will ever share with libertarians would be the mass graves after the socialist take over.

    1. She’s just as close as the alt-right is.
      Which of these is NOT libertarian … to you.?

      1) Ted Cruz joining HER proposal to ban ex congress-critters from EVER being paid lobbyists. They’re still working on a bill, and co-sponsors are already lining up … from both parties (Mentioned here, so WHY do you defend corrupt cronyism)

      2) Ben Carson has praised her proposal that a criminal record should not bar people from housing.

      How are her other positions reported here, NOT libertarian: non-intervention, anti-war and privacy?

      OR … are you pissed that she said (correctly) the libertarian core of Republicans no longer exists. Libertarian Republicans, Reagan and Goldwater were THE strongest defenders of homosexuals … way back in the 70s, 2 decades before Clinton shamelessly signed DADT and DOMA, and nearly 4 decades before Obama “evolved” .

      Reagan, a devout and very public Christian, was ATTACKED by leaders of the Christian Right, Falwell and Robertson, as “all talk” because he did not work to advance their (unconstitutional) agenda … which Trump and today;s GOP suck up to. When they tried to sabotage his re-election, Christians stood with Reagan, ignoring their most influential pastors.

      So … why are those positions of hers not libertarian? Or are you perhaps clueless about our values, and instead really defending today’s GOP by attacking her.?

      1. You know what is libertarian Hihn? Killing yourself so that you are no longer a burden on society and an embarrassment to your descendants.

        1. Proof always pisses off the alt-right.
          Would humankind be better off if people
          1) Stated only provable facts?
          2) Bullied anyone they disagreed with — and PROUD to be a thug?

  56. AOC seems to have found a savvy political adviser, having made several unifying comments in the past week.

    Billy reinforces his position as one of so very few libertarians left at Reason.

    And, predictably, he has pissed off all the alt-right haters here.

    THAT is how success is measured.

    1. Seriously? When did communism become Libertarian? Are you stoned or just stupid?

      1. VOLUNTARY communism has been libertarian forever … Ayn Rand had endorsed hippie communes in the 1960s. Since when has voluntary anything been NOT libertarian?

        Democratic socialism is NOT communism, despite all the shameful alt-right hysteria.

        THAT attitude is WHY progressives have been kicking our ass for decades, in the court of public opinion, on virtually all major issues.
        Like the assholes who want to slash or repeal Medicaid … when Americans had ALWAYS paid for indigent health care, voluntarily.
        Who wins, if Bernie and Elizabeth are the ONLY ones offering what voters are willing (and eager) to support?

        You don’t repeal it. You how a better way to do it ,.. where WE have FUCKING FAILED (especially on Medicare)

        Salesmanship 101. “You’re not there to prove your prospect wrong. You’re there to AGREE with your prospect, and to show how YOUR product or service will best provide what your prospect ALREADY WANTS.”

        I had that on every classroom wall, front and center, when I ran sales training for a billion-dollar corporation. IIRC, we taught that to new hires as young as 19 ,…. KIDS who were thus smarter than than the ENTIRE fiscal right (conservative and libertarian).

        Are you stoned or …. can you tell me how we provided indigent health care before Medicaid, and what percentage of people had treatment?

        Anything else?

        1. P.S. I was being polite there I NEVER equated her OR communism to libertarians.

          But I did make a valid observation (and prediction).

          “And, predictably, he has pissed off all the alt-right haters here.”

        2. “VOLUNTARY communism has been libertarian forever”

          You’re correct. But that’s not what Democratic Socialists are seeking. At all.

          Democratic Socialists are of the opinion that their ideas are so great, they must be mandatory for everyone. Or else.

          1. You’re correct. But that’s not what Democratic Socialists are seeking. At all.

            I know what they are. Explain it to Widhalm19, who LIED about what I said, shamelessly.

            Democratic Socialists are of the opinion that their ideas are so great, they must be mandatory for everyone. Or else.

            How is the Christian Taliban any better .. relative to THESE libertarian founding principles?

            “Governments have had only two purposes, overall. To defend individual liberty, or to impose one set of values by force. “

            BOTH parties are the latter, but with opposite goals.
            .
            “Liberals want government out of your bedroom and into your wallet. Conservatives want government out of your wallet and into your bedroom.”

            And they are both now at or near their very worst on those. (Because a growing majority has rejected loyalty to both, leaving more control to the furthest extremes in each. (See the battle among Democrats, where most rank-and-file are NOT progressives, and never have been).

            When we say “fiscally conservative and socially liberal” — which over 60% of Americans would self-define as — that is shorthand for
            defending BOTH economic AND personal liberty.

            And “Left – Right = Zero” (by the full standards of liberty)

            All of that has been the core of libertarianism (the values not the ideology) for 50 years now.

            1. Hey Hihn, have you considered drinking that gallon of bleach off the cart when the maid comes to change your bed pan?

        3. VOLUNTARY communism has been libertarian forever

          And Marxist communism is not voluntary. And not the subject of this discussion. I know you’re an old piece of obsolete shit waiting to die, but do try to keep up with the conversation.

          1. (Boldface and tone in SELF-DEFENSE from aggressions, by a PROVEN (here) PSYCHO BITCH

            Psycho Bitch
            And Marxist communism is not voluntary

            Nobody said it is … except the RIGHTWING JERK that I CORRECTED … immediately above what you “responded” to
            ..
            WHY DID YOU FUCKING LIE ABOUT WHAT I SAID?
            I CORRECTED THE FOOL WHO STUPIDLY INTERJECTED MARXIST COMMUNISM.

            Are YOU that fool, seeking vengeance under an alias?
            PROOF you are a massive fucking liar.
            https://reason.com/2019/08/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-i-have-a-lot-of-common-ground-with-many-libertarian-viewpoints/#comment-7887916

            Widhalm19 (your fellow fool)
            Seriously? When did communism become Libertarian? Are you stoned or just stupid?

            (My correction — restoring your bitch-fueled deletions)
            VOLUNTARY communism has been libertarian forever …Ayn Rand had endorsed hippie communes in the 1960s. Since when has voluntary anything been NOT libertarian?

            ((What you deleted))
            *****Democratic socialism is NOT communism, despite all the shameful alt-right hysteria.****

            Speaking of alt-right hysteria .. you ASSAULTED me … for saying what YOU SAY IS CORRECT … against YOUR alt-right comrade.

            You people, have NO shame.
            Is your mother proud of how you turned out?

            1. And he goes full Hihn.

        4. Libertarianism is the OPPOSITE of communism you stupid fuck. Communism is dependent on authoritarianism asshole. After reading your idiotic comments here, clearly, either you are retarded or a Leftist cum stain.

          1. Libertarianism is the OPPOSITE of communism you stupid fuck.1) nobody said otherwise, chump
            2) And what you say is only true for state communism. Who are you to deny ANYONE the right to form voluntary associations?
            3) Libertarians also have no problem with the Israeli kibbutzim. Why do you
            4) How many times will you repeat the same fuckup. It’;s not me who made an ass of you You did it try yourself.

            YOU deny voluntary associations. We don’t allow you alt-right authorita
            y q yoyureml;t allow tghe ,

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            Only state commubnism, chump.

            Communism is dependent on authoritarianism asshole. After reading your idiotic comments here, clearly, either you are retarded or a Leftist cum stain.

            1. (My tone and boldface in DEFENSE from repeated AGGRESSION by a serial STALKERLAKER

              YOU deny voluntary associations. We don’t allow you alt-right authoritarians tio define libertarianism.

              Only state communism, chump.

              Communism is dependent on authoritarianism asshole.

              (SNEER)
              Like the hippie communes? VOLUNTARY.
              The Israeli Kibbutz? VOLUNTARY
              The Oneida Community? VOLUNTARY?

              WHO ARE YOU TO DENY ANYONE THE RIGHT TO FORM VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS?

              It’s your ilk who think Denmark and Sweden are communist
              LIE about Democratic socialism.

              BrainwasheD hysteria. the Authoritarian Right.

              FOURTH CHALLENGE; WHERE DO YOU GET THE BAT-SHIT CRAZY NOTION THAT IS SAID COMMUNISM AND LIBERTARIANISM ARE THE SAME … PUT UP OR SHUT UP, COWARD>.

        5. AOC is not advocating voluntary communism, she is advocating democratic socialism, a totalitarian ideology

  57. Are we sure that she’s not misspronouncing librarians.

    1. She has obviously never encountered either a librarian or a libertarian, so she may actually not know the difference.

      1. Why would she have to, authoritarian?

        1. Where did I say or imply that she was obligated to?

          I mean, many people have never encountered either a librarian or a libertarian. Just look at yourself. It’s OK, it’s a free country!

  58. Cortez is a low IQ communist. There is NOTHING Libertarian about her politics.

    1. Nobody said otherwise …. which says a lot about your IQ.

      She’s now working with Ted Cruz on legislation, at HIS initiative, when he praised her proposed LIFETIME ban on ex-Congresscritters EVER being paid lobbyists, (60% of recent critters are now paid lobbyists, exploiting their connections)

      Ben Carson has just praised her proposal that a criminal record should still be eligible for housing.

      Educate yourself here ..
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/lets-make-a-deal-aoc-and-ted-cruz-yes-thats-right-teaming-up-to-fix-washington/2019/05/30/bb9dbbfa-832c-11e9-bce7-40b4105f7ca0_story.html

      And leave things to the adults in the room.

      1. Well, sure because living in public housing is a Constitutionally protected right spelled out right there in the 87th Amendment. Right there where its says “the right of the people to public housing shall not be infringed”, showing how clearly having a criminal record should never impact that right.

        1. Well, sure because living in public housing is a Constitutionally protected right spelled out right there in the 87th Amendment

          Ummm, why would it have to be?
          And where is YOUR preference in the Constitution?. Be specific.

          It actually IS in the Constitution, unless you can explain how a criminal conviction voids ALL your fundamental rights. And WHY would you deny property rights to criminals who have completed their confinement or parole? Be specific.

          1. You live in a Medicare facility on our dime Hihn. Just be glad we don’t pull the plug and let nature take its course.

            Btw you’re still going to die under a Trump presidency. MAGA. LMAO

            1. That has (a) a lie and (b) has no relevance
              Plus your PSYCHO BITCH assaults have already been HUMILIATED, and you PROVEN a BULLSHITTER, here

              https://reason.com/2019/08/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-i-have-a-lot-of-common-ground-with-many-libertarian-viewpoints/#comment-7888639

              (posted in defense of multiple aggressions by a typical alt-right thug)

            2. Viola Davis. There is no such thing as a Medicare facility, Sevo.

          2. So criminal violations should not be used to deny people of all their Constitutional rights? Only their 2nd Amendment rights? You know, one of the rights that doesn’t emanate from 9th, which is not to say that the 9th is less important, but that the 2nd clearly says “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

            I’m just saying that if a fundamental right, named specifically in the Constitution and protected with the words “shall not be infringed” can be infringed up and down the spectrum of laws and regulation and denied entirely based on criminal convictions, then surely a less clearly defined and protected “right” to live in public housing can be denied based on on criminal convictions. I mean, the Constitution does not say that “the right to live in public housing shall not be infringed”, but even if it did, the treatment of 2nd Amendment rights teaches us that criminal convictions can warrant denial of the rights, right?

      2. She’s now working with Ted Cruz on legislation, at HIS initiative, when he praised her proposed LIFETIME ban on ex-Congresscritters EVER being paid lobbyists, (60% of recent critters are now paid lobbyists, exploiting their connections)

        And “lifetime bans” on anything are libertarian… how?

        Ben Carson has just praised her proposal that a criminal record should still be eligible for [government] housing [programs]

        And government housing programs are libertarian… how?

        1. And “lifetime bans” on anything are libertarian… how?

          Here? Corruption, Abuse of power.

          And government housing programs are libertarian… how?

          Equal rights are libertarian … the alternative is CRONY CAPITALISM, so you FAIL again … SELECTIVE RIGHTS ARE NOT LIBERTARIAN.

          FIFTH REQUEST: WHY DO YOU DENY THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO FORM VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS?

          HOW CAN YOU BE SO IGNORANT OF VOLUNTARY COMMUNES .. WHEN WELL-KNOW EXAMPLES INCLUDE
          HIPPIE COMMUNES … VOLUNTARY
          ISRAELI KIBBUTZ ,.. VOLUNTARY
          ONEIDA COMMUNITY .. VOLUNTARY

          AND WHERE… IN YOUR ADDLED BRAIN … DID I EVER SAY OR IMPLY THAT AOC IS LIBERTARIAN?

          YOUR DISGUSTING HATRED, BIGOTRY AND AUTHORITARIAN “MIND” CANNOT ACCEPT THAT A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST CAN AGREE WITH LIBERTARIANS ON ANYTHING … ONE MUST HATE AND DESPISE THEM BECAUSE ALT-RIGHT HYSTERIA IS … AUTHORITARIAN.

          NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU ,… A COOKIE CUTTER MENTALITY WHERE NOBODY CAN HAVE AN INDEPENDENT MIND, THEY MUST ALL MINDLESSLY CONFORM TO THEIR TRIBE ,.. ON EVERYTHING … WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING,

          THIS IS HOW YOU BARGED IN … A HATE-SPEWING BIGOT.

          Cortez is a low IQ communist. There is NOTHING Libertarian about her politics.

          IMMIGRATION
          ANTI-INTERVENTION
          ANTI-WAR
          RESTORE EQUAL RIGHTS OF CRIMINALS ONCE THEIR PUNISHMENT IS ENDED.

          ANY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE MAKES YOU A FRAUD, A LIAR AND A MORAL REPROBATE.

          LOW IQ .. WHEN YOU ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT OF VOLUNTARY COMMUNES?

          BY WHAT RIGHT DO YOU DEMAND THAT COMMITTING A CRIME FORFEITS ALL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS … FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES … IN YOUR FUCKING GULAG?

          1. “RESTORE EQUAL RIGHTS OF CRIMINALS ONCE THEIR PUNISHMENT IS ENDED.”

            Including 2nd Amendment rights, right?

          2. Here? Corruption, Abuse of power.

            So for private citizens to get paid to talk to elected representatives is “corruption, abuse of power” according to you?

            And government housing programs are libertarian… how?

            Equal rights are libertarian

            I agree. For example, I have never had a right to “government housing programs”, even though the units are nicer than what I lived in for may years. Those units are targeted selectively at demographics voting for Democrats.

  59. I trust her view of Libertarianism like I trust a dinner party at Hannibal Lecter’s house.

    1. I trust your honesty even less, since you lied, rather blatantly, about two points, hers and the articles.

      No offense, but we libertarians have rejected judgments, by both left and right, from our beginning.

      And MOST libertarians are non-judgmental. It’s part of our secret handshake..

      1. I lied? What the heck are you referring to? Chill, kid.

        1. Hihn is a brain-rotted old prick left to die in a Medicare facility because his entire family hates him.

        2. I lied? What the heck are you referring to? Chill, kid.

          Already stated, punk aggressor

          1. Lol. As stated? Your statements are consistently utter nonsense.
            Let me guess… I’m also a Russian bot, according to your logic? I bet you’re a ton of fun at dinner parties.

      2. You’re not a libertarian, you’re a troll.

        1. How would you know,
          When you’re such a fucking phony who claims libertarians MUST be judgmental …. because you are.

          1. How would you know,

            From your political views. It’s pretty self-evident.

            When you’re such a fucking phony

            Whatever I am or am not has no impact on what you are.

  60. I have a mustache. Both Hitler and Stalin had mustaches. OMG, I have a lot in common with fascists and Communists!

    1. Yes you do have a lot in common. Their level of dishonesty, including their rejection of truth, and their compulsion for slander.

      And that was infantile.

      1. Pick one sock and stick to it Hihn, you sad piece of demented shit.

  61. Left libertarians ain’t very libertarian …

    1. PROUDLY ignorant! Lemme ‘splain somethin’, Lucy

      Libertarians come from both the left and the right, because libertarians are a mix of both — the left on personal issues, the right on fiscal issues.

      For the vast majority of us (I’ve worked with hundreds) … their PASSION remains with their origins. They accept the other half, as the price one pays for living in TOTAL freedom. Unlike yourself.

      A left libertarian retains PASSIONATE about social tolerance.
      A right libertarian retains PASSION for economic liberty.
      They BOTH support the package — fiscally conservative and socially liberal — but their activism is on their own original side of the mix.

      Here’s why.
      Social conservatives are authoritarian statists, IF they work to impose their values at gunpoint (government). They may disagree on gay marriage, but do they only the thugs want to ban it.

      Economic liberals are authoritarian on fiscal issues, IF they work to impose their values at gunpoint. They may prefer communal living, but only for themselves. Hundreds of small businesses, perhaps more. operate as communes, both the business and housing are communally owned. Most of THEM tend to be fiscally conservative — I’ve known a few — because small business can be more fragile against government. They can be economically liberal WITHOUT mandating it on anyone else.

      Over 60% of Americans would self-define as libertarian values (fiscally and socially) but reject the libertarian IDEOLOGY (political).

      Pure liberals and pure conservatives, on both fiscal and social issues, are obsolete, or soon will be, at less than 40% combined.

      Americans are now strongly “live and let live” — but remain voiceless in the political realm.

      Liberty is a mutual benefit society, not a members-only country club.
      Ignore the theory, everyone’s liberty depends OTHERS being willing to defend theirs. The more the better.

      All the class warfare is the leaderships inventing bullshit threats that only THEY can save us from. “Give me power and money.” The War on Christianity, or the Rich not paying their share of taxes ,… both of which are bullshit for the gullible.

      riaNS INCYUNMES B

      1. Hey Hihn, you’re a worthless piece of subhuman shit and every single person you have ever interacted with hates your fucking guts. Kill yourself.

        1. Lemme ‘splain somethin’, Lucy

          Libertarians come from both the left and the right, because libertarians are a mix of both — the left on personal issues, the right on fiscal issues.

          For the vast majority of us (I’ve worked with hundreds) … their PASSION remains with their origins. They accept the other half, as the price one pays for living in TOTAL freedom. Unlike yourself.

          Balance of ADULT comment here:
          https://reason.com/2019/08/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-i-have-a-lot-of-common-ground-with-many-libertarian-viewpoints/#comment-7888132

  62. “Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: ‘I Have a Lot of Common Ground With Many Libertarian Viewpoints’
    The democratic socialist congresswoman also criticized Republican hypocrisy.”

    The first part of that makes the second part laughable. Yes, sweetie, a LOT of Libertarians want to grant the Government so much control that automobiles and air travel could be eliminated.

    1. The first part of that makes the second part laughable.

      Only to your alt-right
      Plus it’s totally irrational

      Yes, sweetie, a LOT of Libertarians want to grant the Government so much control that automobiles and air travel could be eliminated.

      Yes, hunk, lying about the topic is so very libertarian.

      1. Take your medication Hihn. All of it. At the same time.

        1. And whatever else anyone gives him; he could fuck off and die if we get lucky.

  63. Came for the shitshow when when the far righties that have taken over get reminded libertariaism isn’t a wing of the Republican party and actually has a ton of views more compatible with the left than right, was not disappointed.

    1. Just read their insane bullshit BEFORE you typed that.
      Is there anything funnier than the authoritarian right trying to explain libertarianism … when they are as far from us, overall as AOC?

      They’re pissed because she called them out. Correctly. The entire Congress is less libertarian now than Reagan/Goldwater/Friedman/ alone … with the biggest losses under Trump.

      1. Stop replying to yourself Hihn you sad old useless sack of shit. You’re going to die while Trump is still in office. LMAO.

  64. Yeah, but AOC has more common ground with Chairman Mao, Hugo Chavez and the Castro Brothers (both sets of brothers).

    1. So does Trump. What’s your point?

  65. So lunch at a water-front bar and grill, golf’s on one of the TV’s. Wife tells me it’s a Trump property (just across the Hudson from NYC), but at one point, I look up, see a middle-aged black guy in the gallery and the reason I notice him is the #16 team jersey he’s wearing with the name TRUMP curved over the top…
    Some ‘people of color’ don’t seem to find Trump the horrible racist the horrible racists have been calling him.
    Oh, and fuck off and die, Hihn.

    1. Probably akin to farting in church, I’ll point out this recent poll:

      Asked if they would support a candidate who was focused on “strengthening our border to reduce illegal immigrants,” 70 percent said they were likely, including 61 percent of Hispanics, 63 percent of blacks, and 69 percent of Independents.
      Monthly Harvard-Harris Poll: July2019

      1. That poll is USELESS, except to alt-right WACKOS who think ANYBODY (significant) is for open borders

        Umm, how many support a path to citizenship, for Dreamers.
        THAT is relevant, and you LOSE bigly.

        1. Fuck off and die, Hihn.

    2. (boldface in defense of multiple aggressions by a cyber-terrorist)

      Sevo
      Oh, and fuck off and die, Hihn.

      Now Trump’s totally shameless lie about Charlottesville, sucking up to white supremacists and neo-nazis. Bad enough that he said both sides were to blame. But he also went bat-shit crazy, saying the counter-protesters charged the nazis, swinging clubs.

      UNDENIABLE proof that Trump lied — shamelessly — massively — to defend his neo-nazi and white supremacist supporters
      The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
      “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
      Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
      Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear, many with NAZI helmets. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.
      Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred, bigotry, neo nazis and white supremacists.

      These are Racists and Jew-Haters.
      Ivanka and Jerod are Jewish.
      Trump threw his own daughter under a bus. SHAMEFUL.

      Left – Right = Zero
      Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
      As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction, roaring like dinosaurs, chirping like dodo birds.

  66. That girl can straight off go fuck herself.

    She’s an illiberal, illiterate twit. She identifies as a socialist and has nothing in common with libertarian thought or classical liberalism or its values or intellectualism.

    Reason on the other hand may beg to differ.

    1. u i9t eShe identifies as a socialist and has nothing in common with libertarian thought or classical liberalism or its values or intellectualism.

      Nobody said she did, which makes YOU the illiterate, plus a blatant liar, plus no closer to libertarianism than she is/

      1. We’re at a point where buffoons like this chump and AOC can read straight from Marx and still claim not to be Marxist. Worse, turn around and then say ‘see? It sounds libertarian!’

        Messed up intellectual quandary we find ourselves in.

        Ocasio-Cortez is a lying, socialist, illiberal, ignorant illiterate. That this buffoon who holds a fricken economics degree thinks the unemployment rate is low because people have two jobs and proposed a retarded credit card bill (and really, she’s a walking disaster of stupid comments and assertions) only a financial illiterate could accept thinks she has similar views with libertarians is preposterous and astonishing.

        She’s a left-wing turd. A progressive all the way. Nothing about her is principled. Mark my words, that chick would use force when it serves her.

        Clear enough?

        Now fuck off.

        1. UNEMPLOYMENT IS LOW FOR THE SAME REASON TRUMP KICKED OBAMA’S ASS…. LOW LABOR FORCE PARTICIPATION … WHICH HE HAS FAILED TO RAISE HIGHER THAN WHAT OBAMA LEFT HIM.

          AND WHEN THE RECORD LOW WAS REACHED, IT WAS CAUSED BY PEOPLE ABANDONING THE LABOR FORCE.

          FACT, THERE IS AN UNEMPLOYMENT INDEX — DO YOU EVEN KNOW THERE IS MORE THAN ONE? — WHICH SHOWS A NEAR-RECORD HIGH OF PART-TIME WORKERS WHO WANT FULL-TIME.

          Actually, Trump us doing worse that she said! DEBT.
          As of last year, Trump has added more new debt in two years than Obama added after EIGHT years! (CBO 2024) … and just added MORE!

  67. It the other 95% that she has in common with liberals, extreme leftists, Marxists and Communists that should scare the daylights out of any sane person.

    1. As scary as the Christian Taliban?

  68. This isn’t unusual. I have far-left-wing acquaintances who say that they’re libertarians. They’re also quite stupid.

    1. Oh, no, they think it’s quite sane to equate freedom with the big state.

      UBI, free education, debt forgiveness, it all sets you free. The state is the great enabler.

  69. Nice to Reason hinting at its favored presidential candidate for 2028.

    But they really need to come out and declare for Tulsi Gabbard lest they look a little shy.

  70. This is a libertarian moment. You are at the cool kids table, instead of at an Ayn Rand dork table.

  71. So AOC agree with Libertarians on immigration and spending… Great!! Where is is he free market capitalism?

    Used to be YouTube vid of a college kid at some Q&A event who identified himself as a “Socialist Libertarian.” Seems to me, he missed the key point. And so does AOC.

  72. Most likely a waste of time. Her district is furious with her. The world press may love her but “all politics is local”. She will not be re-elected. Omar is even worse, with a 9% approval rating.

    It is fun to play on the world stage but you still have to keep the voters happy.

  73. AOC has absolutely nothing in common with libertarians.

    1. Several positions. ALL libertarian

      Ted Cruz is working to co-author a bill with HER proposal to ban ex congresscritters from EVER becoming paid lobbyists. Why do you oppose that, when House and Senate members are becoming co-sponsors, from BOTH parties.

      Ben Carson has praised her proposal that people with criminal convictions NOT be denied housing. What’s your problem with THAT?

      Why do you reject anti-war, anti-intervention and personal privacy issues?

      What have you ever done, beyond pissing, moaning and hating?
      And pretending your authoritarian mentality has even a clue on libertarianism?

      1. You’re an idiot.

        1. Proved you a dumbfuck, so your rage is understandable.

          1. Says the known unstable mind who writes in bold all cap.

            /makes coo-coo gesture.

      2. Ex-congresspeople have a right to do whatever job they want.
        I don’t believe that the government should provide housing, with the exception of the military, and high-level officials like the President.

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  75. “…..many dismiss the notion that the federal government is capable of determining optimal migration levels.”… and this negates all of her Green Deal if control over all aspects of our lives.

  76. It’s cute how much “libertarians” have in common with Marxists. Watch out useful idiots.

  77. It’s funny even the Democrats and socialists claim they have libertarian values. Heck, even Hillary “sounded” a bit libertarian in her speeches. But we’ve learned, politicians lie to get elected.

    The good news: it shows libertarian ideas are winning!!!

  78. [There are far too many comments here for me to ever see any replies to this, so have at it with all your fuckoffhihns and obldoesitbetters. Why the heck doesn’t Reason have forums, anyway? But I digress.]

    Her admission comes not long after she and Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) publicly agreed on the need to prohibit former congresspeople from becoming lobbyists

    What in all tarnation? Opposing the First Amendment is now considered libertarian?

    Stop the fucking carousel.

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