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U.S. Citizen Was on the Verge of Self Deporting After Being Detained for Weeks at Squalid Immigration Facility

The young man was finally released from custody this week.

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Francisco Erwin Galicia says conditions were so bad while he was in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) that he was on the brink of signing deportation papers—even though he's a U.S. citizen born in Dallas.

Galicia was traveling with his younger brother to a college soccer scouting event when CBP picked him up. On their way to the event, they were stopped at a CBP checkpoint. Galicia told the agents that he was a United States citizen and showed them his Texas ID card, his Social Security card, and his birth certificate. 

It wasn't good enough.

The Dallas Morning News reports that the problem could have stemmed from an old visa that Galicia's mother obtained for him when he was a minor, which said that he had been born in Mexico. Whatever the case, Galicia wound up in CBP custody for more than three weeks. 

His younger brother, who is not a U.S. citizen, self-deported to Mexico, where he could make their family aware of the situation.

Galicia lost 26 pounds during his 23 days in custody, and he says he was not allowed to shower during his time there. He told the News that he was kept in a holding area with 60 other men, where they were forced to sleep on the floors with only aluminum-foil blankets for bedding. 

"It was inhumane how they treated us," Galicia told the News. "It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there."

CBP agents told The New York Times that they had been sounding the alarm for some time about conditions in the Border Patrol station in Clint, Texas—where hundreds of migrant children were being held—as well other facilities in the El Paso area, where conditions have been deteriorating.

"Since late May, two contracted doctors working at the Santa Teresa and El Paso stations, where illegal immigrants are held following arrest, walked out while on the job because of the conditions," the Washington Examiner reported recently. 

CBP was also reportedly holding 900 people at an El Paso facility that was meant to hold only 125. One cell, meant for 12 people, was holding 76. A cell meant for eight people instead held 41, while 155 people were housed in a cell meant for 35. 

Galicia was finally released from CPB custody on Tuesday.

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  1. “US CITIZEN WITH TWO SETS OF CONTRADICTORY DOCUMENTS ALLOWING HIM TO SKIRT EITHER MEXICO’S LAWS OR OURS DETAINED FOR WEEKS WHILE IT WAS DETERMINED WHICH WAS LEGITIMATE AND WHICH WAS A FORGERY OR OBTAINED BY FRAUD AND PERJURY ”

    There, fixed it for you

    1. Oh, add “US CITIZEN WHO WAS DETAINED WITH HIS BROTHER WHO WAS NOT A US CITIZZEN, HAVING TWO SETS OF CONTRADICTORY DOCUMENTS ALLOWING HIM TO SKIRT EITHER MEXICO’S LAWS OR OURS, DETAINED FOR WEEKS WHILE IT WAS DETERMINED WHICH WAS LEGITIMATE AND WHICH WAS A FORGERY OR OBTAINED BY FRAUD AND PERJURY

      1. Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too. Also, the whole overcrowding thing? Trump and the agencies were saying this for months, but we were woke-splained by the democrats that there was no border crisis and that Trump was just a racist. As far as I’m concerned, this shit’s on the Dems.

        1. “As far as I’m concerned, this shit’s on the Dems.”

          Yep.

          If our leaders (D and R) would fix the asylum laws, this problem would largely be solved.

          1. Agreed. It would probably also help if we stopped creating a profitable environment to be a cartel, a la the drug war.

            Frankly, I’d be fine with something similar to what we had on Ellis Island, where it was essentially open immigration, as long as we were able to log and look at who was coming in and quarantine those who were sick.

            Not that this would ever fly of today’s hi-tech world where everything needs to be tracked by the gov’t.

            1. * a cartel down in Central America.

              Thought I should clarify.

            2. 90% of the illegal aliens arriving today wouldn’t be allowed through Ellis island and would be sent back, because they wouldn’t meet requirements for entry

            3. Dark flame the Ellis island approach is my idea as well.

              Actually I think it would work better with the new tech. Every time you buy a plane ticket you get a background check. When the cop pulls you over for speeding they have your record and if you have a CC permit right from their car.

              It would not be difficult to just enter the data and run through any number of data banks in minutes. They could even take digital fingerprints.

              With this guy all they had to do was run a few checks. They had no criminal charges against him and by law they should have been required to release him. It is preposterous that they can detain people indefinitely.

    2. And by all means, let’s not even talk about why there are CBP checkpoints miles and miles north of the border, stopping cars (on what basis?) to interrogate people as to their immigration status. No no let’s talk about the confusing state of the citizen’s paperwork that he shouldn’t have had to present in the first place due to the Fourth Amendment.

      1. “confusing state of the citizen’s paperwork”

        That is a…generous description.

        1. ” the confusing state of Howard Hughes’ biography and Hitler’s Diary”

          ” the confusing state of the FISA application to spy on Page or Papadopoulos”

          “the confusing state of Willie Nelson and Wesley Snipes tax returns”

          “the confusing state of George W Bush’s military records in CBS’ story”

          1. The confusing state of the DNC funds allocated to Hillary and not Bernie

            The confusing state of the dossier used to justify investigation of Trump and Russia

            The confusing state of Kamala Harris’ position on using political power for personal vendettas

            1. The confusing state of the Houston PD’s no-knock warrant…

              1. I’m confused just reading this thread.

      2. let’s not even talk about why there are CBP checkpoints miles and miles north of the border

        Are you suggesting CBP confine its actions to some kind of structure that runs narrowly along the border?

      3. Fix the asylum laws, and confine CBP to the actual border.

    3. Good point, Habeas Corpus doesn’t apply if the cops are confused. Must be great to feel the need to reflexively defend the CBP like a good little bootlicker.

    4. So detain then investigate? Was he arrested and charged with a crime? Yeah I know due process sucks but we got a thing called the Constitution and you know I kind of like that it limits the activities of our government.

      1. Republicans aren’t interested in your “due process” blather . . . especially when they’re lathered up on bigotry, fear, resentment, and ignorance.

        1. It’s Democrats who are responsible for this crap, not Republicans.

      2. Not so sure any more.
        If we had a constitution you would not need “papers” to exercise your second amendment rights.
        If we had a constitution, if I did have papers from my residence state, California would damn well have to honor them.
        If we had a constitution, either the baker could refuse to decorate the cake, or Facebook would have to carry everyone’s comments.

        1. Why is it that this constitution thingy only seems to make an appearance is when it’s to the disadvantage of the people it was written to protect?

      3. Exactly. Too many statist circle jerkers around here would rather bitch about this guy’s confusing documentation when the real point here ought to be, he shouldn’t be arbitrarily stopped in the first place and he shouldn’t have to provide papers to anyone on demand when he isn’t accused of doing anything wrong.

        1. “confusing documentation”

          Aka fraud.

          But we all know those on team Kirkland don’t care about such things

          1. Team Kirkland has been the winning (liberal-libertarian) team in America throughout our lifetimes, you bigoted rube, and is positioned to continue to shape American progress against the wishes and works of right-wing slack-jaws.

            This is what makes America great.

            Carry on, clingers. Until the day of your particular replacement arrives, that is.

  2. The own goal aspect of this story is hilarious.

    Lessons learned:
    1. CBP detention center better than Mexico. Almost as bad, but better.
    2. Given the option of losing 26 lbs. and spending 23 days with 60 other dudes, nights under foil blankets or Mexico, choose losing 26 lbs., foil blankets, and 60 other dudes.
    3. The US is so much better than Mexico or a CBP holding facility that it’s worth 26 lbs., 23 days, foil blankets, and rooming with 60 other dudes to get/stay here.

    Kinda makes Mexico seem like some kind of absolute shithole relative to the US.

    1. Your idiocy is both hilarious and predictable, for a Trumpista.

      1. It’s almost a form of nationalism.

        If you took your average native, put a paper in front of them asking them to renounce their citizenship, and told them you’d hold them until they did, I strongly suspect many of the so-called ‘nationalists’ would renounce well prior to this guy.

        1. Hell, I’ve said it more than once myself: if I had to give up my vote but got to keep my taxes, I’d renounce my citizenship tomorrow.

          1. Still wondering why America has been rejecting your stale preferences throughout your lifetime, clinger?

            1. Nope. Just haven’t seen anyplace else more willing to accommodate my preferences.

              1. Enjoy the rest of your life as a culture war casualty, complying with my preferences.

            2. And, empirically, neither the US nor Mexico was willing to entertain this guy’s preferences and he still chose a CBP detention center on the promise of the US rather than Mexico.

        2. #metoo!!

  3. Amazing how many Trumpistas dodge the question of inhumane detention conditions, non-border checkpoints, slow document verification, and all the other hallmarks of a police state, all to concentrate on, say the little brother.

    He beat Hillary (which is a good thing) does not mean he is a saint who can do no wrong.

    1. Plastic straw bans and bratty college kids: unacceptable assaults on our personal freedoms.

      Power-crazed cops forcing citizens to show papers then detaining them anyway: cool and good.

    2. Pelosi and Nadler could have solved the problem months ago but they had other distractions to worry about, such as the RUSSIANS!

      1. The media had both minimized this (no crisis at the border, when numbers of border jumpers are 10-20x what they’ve been in the past) and exploited it (conditions are squalid at best). If they’d Amit we have a crisis without calling it racist, maybe we could start to fix things.

    3. Amazing that sarcasmic here can even tie his shoes.
      Though, to be fair, we’ve seen no evidence it actually can.

    4. What does any of this have to do with Trump? The same crap existed under Clinton and Obama.

      And the solution to this is not to let these people into the US, the solution is to quickly send them back to Mexico or elsewhere.

  4. Der TrumpfenFuhrer will not be content with the abuse of immigrants (whether legal or illegal), until their corpses are stacked up like cords of wood, as they were in Auschwitz. It’s all red meat for the knuckle-draggers!

  5. Again, the answers are down a few limited roads. We get more funding for the facilities which are being overrun by migrants attempting to enter the US in record numbers. We change, decrease or speed up the vetting process so people don’t have to spend as much time in the facility. We insta-deport people without a hearing at all, or last, we just shut down the border protection and all related institutions and open the borders completely.

    1. Combination of choices 2 and 4. We fully legalize immigration, and streamline the vetting process to focus only on stopping known violent criminals and terrorists.

      1. We fully legalize immigration, and streamline the vetting process to focus only on stopping known violent criminals and terrorists.

        I’m no expert on the vetting process, but I’ll bet you when you cut through all the rhetoric on both sides about immigration, you’ll find that this part of the vetting process is what takes so much time.

        1. Yep, to vet people you first have to establish who the fuck they are and where they are from. Thus the time sink.

          1. And yet somehow we can screen people and get them through customs at the airport in minutes or maybe hours, instead of weeks or maybe months.

            1. You mean when things are streamlined at a port of entry and nation-states in good standing revoke passports from their criminals we can quickly and efficiently vet people with passports at ports of entry?

              Huh.

              1. How are you going to vet that 8 yr old boy crossing with the 40 yr old man when neither has and documentation? Are they related or is he using the kids as a tool?

              2. So people from Guatemala or Mexico can’t fly here? Huh.

                It would of course make sense to require valid ID to immigrate, as long as the immigration itself is legalized. Provide people with a reasonable legal path for migrating, without quotas and sponsorship and skills requirements and all that BS, and they will use it.

                1. They are required to leave and they’re not legally employable unless certain hoops occur. For instance, yes, I fly to Europe to see the sights, but I can’t legally engage in employment.

                  In the Philippines and many other countries I can’t legally own property, even though I can legally fly and pass through their port of entry with my passport.

                  Most Americans would be a tad surprised as to how most of the rest of the world restricts their immigration.

            2. The people who took time to get proper documentation are vetted more quickly than people with no documentation? You dont say. Someone alert the Nobel committee for this astute observation.

              1. If proper ID was all that people needed to immigrate here, the vast majority would get the ID and immigrate.

                1. See my comment above, proper ID won’t get you immigration into any country that I know of.

      2. Even Ellis island required health checks and pledges to not be dependent on government. For fuck sake you guys dont care about the welfare state at all.

        1. Francisco Galicia required none of that.

          An American citizen who was just driving from one place to another in his own country was detained without warrant or criminal charge under horrible conditions for 23 days.

          I don’t care if you are a conservative, liberal, libertarian, democrat, trumpist, anarcho-communist syndicate or any of that crap. It is an outrage. There is no excuse for it.

          Libertarians today have no cojones. Libertarians were radicals offering a new vision of liberty, autonomy, and limited government.

          1. Its not an outrage because this guy’s situation has much more to the story that the media is not talking about.

            reason always picks the losers as propaganda examples. Then when all the facts come out, its #MemoryHole time.

            1. A loser.

              How is the corn this year?

              Well tell me how much more there is to the secret story.

              In the meantime here is some music while we are waiting.

              Joe Cocker and Leon Russell. The hairiest guys in music ever.

              Get me a ticket for an aeroplane…ain’t got time for
              We all know the rest.
              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHA15B8iNI

              1. This situation will improve in a few years.

                I sense that better Americans have learned recently that we have far too many authoritarian, stale-thinking, right-wing bigots working in our law enforcement agencies. A purge seems to be in order.

                Winning the culture war has consequences.

                So does losing, clingers.

  6. The conditions in holding can be awful all over the country. The conditions in LA County Jail have been awful for decades that way. I’ve heard more than one person say that they’d rather do a month in the state pen than stay the night in LA County Jail, and people have been pleading guilty just to get transferred out of there for a long time. The reason those awful conditions have been allowed to fester in LA County like that, for so long, is obvious: It’s the Republicans who have controlled the LA County Board of Supervisors for decades. If we finally get some Democrats in there, maybe things will change. It’s the same problem all over California.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/california-fresno-county-jail-deaths

    1. OBL, is that you?

  7. It is good to see confirmation that stays in these facilities are completely voluntary. With the exception of the very rare cases like this one. The only reason people have to stay here, is because they want into the US that badly. They can walk out the door anytime they want.

  8. “The Dallas Morning News reports that the problem could have stemmed from an old visa that Galicia’s mother obtained for him when he was a minor, which said that he had been born in Mexico.”

    And, yet, in perfectly free societies, innocent people are falsely accused; it’s just that in a free society, they get ample opportunity to defend themselves in court. From what I can tell, this guy was never prosecuted.

    If there were no evidence to arrest him and put him in holding like that, he’d have a pretty good case for being falsely imprisoned. I don’t know how the government obtained the expired visa that said he was born in Mexico, but if he gave law enforcement an expired visa that says he was born in Mexico, it’s not unreasonable for the government to suspect that he might be here on an expired visa and that he was born in Mexico.

    I don’t mean to distract people from the bad conditions narrative if that’s what we’re going for. Bad conditions in holding are unacceptable regardless, and I’m sure the House Democrats who voted against giving Homeland Security more money to deal with the flood of detainees feel terribly guilty about it. I bet they can’t even sleep at night it bothers them so much! From a libertarian perspective, I see paying for the good treatment of people who are awaiting a hearing to be a legitimate expense of government. That’s what the “necessary and proper” clause was really about.

    1. If I were detained by the government because they thought I was a citizen of another country, I wouldn’t be able to deport myself because there would be no other country to deport to which leads me to believe that he had some type of paper work that wasn’t legit.

      Not that that is an excuse to detain people for weeks, keep them in inhumane conditions or make immigration so difficult that we have all these issues.

      1. Deport yourself to Europe. Enjoy a two week vacation.

    2. If there were no evidence to arrest him and put him in holding like that, he’d have a pretty good case for being falsely imprisoned. I don’t know how the government obtained the expired visa that said he was born in Mexico, but if he gave law enforcement an expired visa that says he was born in Mexico, it’s not unreasonable for the government to suspect that he might be here on an expired visa and that he was born in Mexico.

      This is all explained in the article. When he was stopped, he gave CBP a Texas ID and a photo size version of his birth certificate from his wallet. They didn’t believe it and detained them, then found the “expired visa” record.

      I’d like to know on what basis they didn’t believe the Texas ID was legitimate.

      And yes I hope he does go after CBP for false imprisonment.

      1. So in America a citizen has to carry all of that around and it still isn’t good enough.

        I am hosed not even sure where my original SS card and birth certificate are.

        And there are people here who think this is OK? Wow.

        Oh and Jeff I wouldn’t bet on him getting any legal action against the authorities. That is not how a police state works.

        1. So this guy was stopped at a random checkpoint – we don’t know the basis on which he was stopped – he presented valid ID, but the authorities didn’t believe him and detained him anyway – and the right-wing circle jerkers here on this forum are bashing this guy for not having his papers completely in order. It’s just incredible, and incredibly sad.

          1. Man up and take some responsibility for once in your life, jeff.
            Your ilk encourage illegal immigration. Over the last 30 years, this has resulted in an estimated 20-50 million illegal immigrants residing in the country.
            Illegal aliens who neither owe nor feel any loyalty for our sovereign nation, and – as I’ve personally witnessed happen 3 times – can simply skip town or the country without a trace after committing major crimes.
            One might consider the possibility that situations such as the article cites may not occur if the illegal alien population was far smaller and if the US had a stable entry system, rather than one which is horrendously abused.

            And what of the man detained? Does he bear no personal responsibility, the key corollary of liberty, for not rectifying his mother’s fraud?
            Not to you – it’s nothing but victims and oppressors to you.
            But it satisfies your feelz.
            Perhaps that’s something you ought to reflect upon, but we know self reflection is not something you do.

            1. You have it exactly backwards. Why do you think there was this random CBP checkpoint in Texas in the first place? To TRY TO REDUCE THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT POPULATION. They are DOING what you ask of them and THIS is the result, innocent citizens being harassed, detained, and almost deported.

              Trying to toss out all the “illegals” will mean MORE innocent people will be hassled, not less.

              The War On Illegal Migration is no different fundamentally than the War On Illegal Drugs. The state ultimately cannot stop free people from engaging in behavior that does not harm anyone’s rights, but they will certainly try, and in so doing, they will sacrifice all of our liberties in the process. The more they try, the stricter the enforcement gets, the more of our liberties that are shredded.

              If you had your way, Nardz, these types of incidents would be a daily occurrence. Just a few cracked eggs on the way to the glorious nationalist paradise that you envision. And besides who gives a shit about this guy anyway. His papers were a mess. Why didn’t he have his papers in order like every good citizen does? Sheesh. The authoritarians around here make me want to puke.

          2. Are you kidding? This wasn’t some random arrest over not having his papers in order. Galicia was driving around his younger brother who clearly was in the country illegally!

            That means either he was illegal himself or he was smuggling. Take your pick.

            1. What was the “probable cause” to stop their car? Does it even matter to you?

            2. Galicia was driving around his younger brother who clearly was in the country illegally!

              How would the CBP agents “clearly” have known this?

        2. “So in America a citizen has to carry all of that around and it still isn’t good enough.”

          When bigoted hands are removed from the levers of state power, soon enough, this situation seems likely to change for the better.

          In part, I hope, because all of the clingers will be purged from federal law enforcement agencies.

          1. It was lefties and progressives like you who created the need for proving citizenship in the first place, because you created massive handouts for US citizens.

            Get rid of the government handouts and we can open the borders again.

        3. What, a cosmopolitan, educated American like you doesn’t have a passport?

          In any case, good advice: get your birth certificate and get your passport. You do need proof of citizenship in practice because there are many interactions that require proof of citizenship. And, yes, that’s perfectly OK.

      2. A Texas ID is not proof of citizenship.

        It appears his birth certificate was, indeed, fake.

        1. A Texas ID is not proof of citizenship.

          https://www.dps.texas.gov/driverlicense/applyforlicense.htm

          ou will need to provide proof of the following to apply for a driver license:

          U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence
          Texas Residency
          Identity, and
          Social Security Number
          Evidence of Texas Vehicle Registration* for each vehicle you own. Registration must be current. Visit Texas DMV vehicle registration for more information. (New Residents who are surrendering an out-of-state driver license only)
          Proof of Insurance* for each vehicle you own
          *If you do not own a vehicle, you will sign a statement affirming this.

          Texas is not one of those states which grants driver’s licenses to undocumented immigrants.

          It appears his birth certificate was, indeed, fake.

          And you know this how?

  9. What kind of shitty concentration camps are we running when a concentree can just self deport?

    1. I agree. Can’t get away with that crap in North Korea or China. Perhaps they could give us some pointers at the next summit meeting.

  10. Supreme Court paves way for Trump administration to use military funds for border wall

    The Supreme Court sided with the Trump administration on Friday in lifting a freeze backed by a lower court that had halted plans to use $2.5 billion in Pentagon funds for border wall construction.

    reason will cry about this. Clearly reason did not expect it, so they had no propaganda piece already done on the topic.

  11. The article confirms that people can leave the detention facilities any time they want if they self-deport.

    As for Galicia himself, his birth certificate was fake according to reports. It is, in fact, implausible that the older of two brothers was born in the US and the younger was an illegal alien.

    If his birth certificate was not fake, he should be charged with transporting and harboring illegal aliens.

    1. Should he receive any sort of restitution whatsoever for being wrongfully detained for so long?

  12. Huh. So this sort of thing seems to happen with more frequency.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/julia-isabel-amparo-medina-immigration-border_n_5c96aa60e4b0a6329e177fbb?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

    But don’t worry, I’m sure the authoritarian assholes around here will find a way to blame the 9-year-old for her own detention.

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