The FBI Hopes These Cute Puppies Will Distract You From Unconstitutional Civil Asset Forfeitures
Surrender the Fifth Amendment or the dog dies.

Law enforcement officials have tried every trick to attempt to convince Americans to accept civil asset forfeiture, the controversial process that allows the police to take and keep the money and property of those who are suspected, though not convicted, of criminal activity. In particular, police and prosecutors often insist that they need the seized money and property to help fight the war on drugs.
Polls show that most Americans disapprove of these seizures when they understand what they actually are. Most Americans rightfully think that law enforcement should have to convict somebody of a crime before taking their stuff.
The FBI, faced with such disapproval, and hoping to protect its controversial methods, has now brought out the big guns: adorable puppies. Among other things, the FBI uses civil asset forfeiture to extricate pups when they raid dog-fighting operations. So the agency has put together a video and story purporting to show how important civil asset forfeiture is for the care and safety of such animals.
The FBI claims that historically it has had to euthanize the animals found in dog-fighting operations because the agency couldn't adopt them out until after the dogs' owners had been convicted. More recently, the FBI says, it has used civil asset forfeiture to get legal control over the dogs more quickly. The FBI explains:
"Typically, when you're dealing with cash or jewelry or some other inanimate object, it doesn't matter if you wait until the end of the criminal case to deal with it," said Mary Hollingsworth, an attorney with the Wildlife and Marine Resources Section in DOJ's Environment and Natural Resources Division (ENRD). "Dogs may start to decline physically and psychologically after about six months, even in the best shelter setting. They are not meant to be in cages with limited human interaction and exercise for long periods of time."
It's obvious that the intended message here is that civil asset forfeiture is a necessary tool for keeping these dogs alive. But there's an even better solution. The story notes that that these pups had foster families before they were fully adopted. If the FBI is unable to adequately care for the live creatures it seizes, fostering the dogs would seem to be a perfectly adequate fix while the dogs' owners are being prosecuted.
The federal code outlawing animal fighting allows for the dogs to be held by any "authorized person," and the FBI's own story notes that its agents immediately team with private partners for kenneling and animal care upon seizure of the dogs. So why not just foster all dogs that are seized in such cases? The dogs would be well cared for and properly socialized by loving homes. If it turns out that the dogs' owners are innocent, the dogs can be returned to them. No animals need to languish and die in cages.
Throwing live animals into the mix doesn't magically make it more ethically acceptable or constitutional to seize a person's property without first securing a conviction. There are ways to manage these pups without violating the Fifth Amendment. This video is not the justification for civil asset forfeiture that the agency is looking for.
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First, if you don't like the LAW then CHANGE THE LAW. The law is the law Libertarians, and if you don't like it change it.
Second, government not only protects citizens from terrorism, racism, immigrants sexism, ageism and every other conceivable threat, they save puppies from dog-fighting gangs staffed by the dregs of society, which are almost certainly littered with ILLEGAL immigrants.
Build the wall to save the puppies!
Hey at least you didn't use your shitty OBL sock for this one.
Dude above has never said anything even approaching funny - just butthurt whining from a leftist sympathizer. Like all progressives, utterly lacks a sense of humor. Completely without talent.
OBL has some misses, but between those he gets some really good ones in. More than that, he clearly enjoys his schtick - unlike Captain Butthurt above.
I stand by my assertion.
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IM TOTALLY NOT A PSYCHO!!!
"IM TOTALLY NOT A PSYCHO!!!"
Of course, that's exactly what a real psychopath would say.
You know, it's sad and pathetic that you have nothing better to do than to circle jerk with your right-wing buddies here and just shit all over the place.
Shut up bitch, we're talking about you not to you.
"it’s sad and pathetic that you have nothing better to do than to circle jerk with your right-wing buddies"
No cunt, what is sad and pathetic is that you have nothing better to do than cry like a bitch about it.
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Hahaha haha. Jeff is a fucking loser.
So they'll adopt those puppies out to people, then one day they'll bust down those people's doors and shoot those dogs for barking.
WTF? I didn't click to reply to you. There was one box to type and it wasn't under your comment at all.
The new comments sections is the worst.
I had trouble believing it, but they actually made the comments worse. Still no edit, and we lost the preview feature.
"The law is the law..."? Tell it to the LEOs, the biggest lawbreakers. Who will protect us from our so-called protectors? Who arrests, charges, tries, convicts, sentences, and imprisons LEOs when they break the law? What about law makers who routinely pass unconstitutional laws? What about the NDAA that redefines "due process" to mean no process?
I have a good solution to this issue: asset forfeiture should be used to fund public defenders and the legal aid society, that way when these CRIMINALS are arrested they are certain to receive a good lawyer, as is required under our CONSTITUTION.
"and to have the Assistance of Councel for his defence."
You added the word "good."
The ideal answer for the situation. One way or another no government agency should have access to seized property. Public Defenders maybe but that is still too close to the plundering agencies who have revealed that they are pirates just not on the high seas. They have no incentive to fight crime and god forbid actually stop crime unless it is a finders keepers deal??!!
I am totally qualified to take in dogs and have been paid to do so but it sounds as though the agency already has a "friends and family" plan that will house the pups for only a small portion of plunder. No others need apply.
Another notch down the ladder for the G-men, they were never needed anyway, that is until Hoover came along with piles of files of dirt and now he is a building that is home to the pirates. They could nail Dillinger even under the harsh conditions of an air conditioned movie theater in July. But it took a Texas Ranger and some cohorts waiting in a mosquito infested thicket sitting for hours to ambush The Barrow 'Gang'. No popcorn or zesty pizza while they waited either. (One of the lawmen took the crime car for a souvenir but was soon contacted by the folks it had been stolen from. "Give it back and we do not care about all the holes in it, it belongs to us". Catching criminals in a stolen car does not mean the car belongs to the cops even though they found it, it belongs to the PUBLIC they SERVE.
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Aw heck, just shoot the dumb animals - I mean the dogs, not the FBI agents...
Nice distinction without a difference.
Sigh... How is there even federal code against dog-fighting? I keep reading Article 1 section 8 and I can't find it.
Look under the commerce clause, and/or general welfare.
It's out there - - - -
Nah, they don't care anyway. Who needs the elastic clause when the expected course of action is to ignore the constitution?
The elastic clause? Is that in the same article as the santa clause?
They should have used these puppies.
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“The FBI claims that historically it has had to euthanize the animals found in dog-fighting operations because the agency couldn't adopt them out until after the dogs' owners had been convicted.”
Really? We can’t adopt the dogs, but we can kill them? Who dreams up this nonsense?
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So LEOs love puppies.
Now do the video where they shoot bigger dogs.
They did say the "euthanized" the mother of the puppies. What they didn't say is they did it with a Glock 17M.
They pack Sigs last I heard... or whatever they find while on the job.
They do seem to have that 'flavor of the month' vibe going. I thought it odd they went to the 9 in 2016 after all that smack talk about the 40 being so much better. But it makes sense they'd follow the military and adopt the new Sig too, assuming they did. Wouldn't want to be caught with an outdated gat.
They could hire ex-deputy Keenan Wallace, who is an expert in dealing with dogs of that size.
Hey, if taking an innocent person's car/house/cash/business/personal property saves just one cute puppy...
how, they gonna shoot 'em?
""The FBI claims that historically it has had to euthanize the animals found in dog-fighting operations because the agency couldn't adopt them out until after the dogs' owners had been convicted. ""
Destruction of evidence?
Also destruction of property if the dog's owner is acquitted. Methinks that's an FBI fib of sorts... it was never "required" they just did it because they are jerks who wanted to not have to deal with the dogs before they realized they could use them as PR.
"...the agency couldn’t adopt them out until after the dogs’ owners had been convicted."
Then hurry the fuck up and convict them.
This isn't rocket surgery.
If there was no civil asset forfeiture laws, then a lot of law enforcement officials wouldn't be able to afford their third vacation home in the Bahamas.
Just think of the tragedy that would be!
"Typically, when you're dealing with cash or jewelry or some other inanimate object, it doesn't matter if you wait until the end of the criminal case to deal with it"
...because the FBI doesn't really care about seizing cash or jewelry, it just cares about seizing puppies.
Which is pretty much the opposite of the truth.
But take them at their word, pass a law that protects people's cash and jewelry and other inanimate objects from seizure prior to conviction. That would meet their objections, or so they would have us believe.
In practice, they don't fantasize about cute little puppies, they fantasize about taking cash, jewelry and cars.
"But take them at their word, pass a law that protects people’s cash and jewelry and other inanimate objects from seizure prior to conviction. That would meet their objections, or so they would have us believe."
How about this?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I think it gets more specific than this - the sixth Amendment prescribes how criminal prosecutions are to be conducted.
But my narrower point was to suggest that a statute protecting "only" cash, jewelry and cars from arbitrary seizure is not actually what the FBI is after. They're using the puppies as shields to protect what they most desire - the power to take cash, jewelry and cars.
Read a bit further, Amendment V:
"No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
And the meaning of "due process of law" needs to be codified, such that it requires an action against an individual and not some blanket law passed that says law enforcement can do something, because the legislature said it could.
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I think John Wick has a way to cite the FBI's failing in this area.
To fix, not cite. No idea how I typed that in there.
Too much blood in your caffeine stream?
I going to blame sugar. Either not enough or too much.
What puzzles me is why the courts continue to uphold forfeiture when it is clearly a violation of the 4th Amendment. The courts accept the argument that forfeiture is acceptable as long as it serves a higher [ more money for police ] purpose.
Using that logic I should be able to rob a bank without penalty if I claim a "higher purpose" of needing the money to finance a vacation.
A real vacation, maybe. But for sure if you need it to attend an overpriced university four a four year vacation, then you are good to go.
Is there a shortage of puppies?
Aren’t puppies fungible?
Won’t fostering/adopting these puppies just lead to the killing of some other puppies?
Everyone knows that cash needs to be properly socialized. We all know the outcome the last time a Jackson went rogue and started getting ideas about the rights of the common man.
Don't forget to spay or neuter your $10 bills. Heaven forbid they start multiplying on their own and we end up with stray $10s running around everywhere.
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