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We're at the 'Concentration Camp Semantics' Stage of 2019 Now

Plus: crackdown on emotional support animals, the difference between "platforms" and "publishers," and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 6.19.2019 9:44 AM

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A concentration camp by any other name…Over the past 24 hours, American media has become embroiled in an intense debate over how to refer to government-run facilities for the detention of Central American migrants seeking refuge here and those caught crossing our southern border without permission. Are they "detention centers" or "concentration camps"? And how much does it really matter what we call them?

In a live video yesterday, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) said unequivocally that "the U.S. is running concentration camps on our southern border" and that "we need to do something about it."

The term concentration camp technically refers to any "camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy" (that's from the Holocaust Museum). These days, however, the term evokes only one thing for many Americans: Nazi death camps during the Holocaust.

That's why a lot of folks—including many Democrats—insisted that using "concentration camps" to refer to facilities run by U.S. immigration authorities just muddies the proverbial waters, creating a needlessly charged environment under which we must consider some very serious and real problems. For instance, here's MSNBC host Chris Hayes:

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Others opposed to using "concentration camps" clung to the technical differences between the identity-based detention orders that landed German Jews and other minorities in places like Auschwitz, and the infractions resulting in the detention of refugees and undocumented immigrants here.

But some pointed out that the identity/criminality distinction was not, historically, as clear cut as we may see it from our modern vantage point.

"For many Germans, the concentration camps were not seen as part of a program of political and racial terror, but a sensible policy, which sought to deal with the problems of uncontrolled immigration of Jews from the East and with the socially and politically deviant," tweeted historian Ned Richardson-Little.

Although Nazi propaganda emphasized a world Jewish conspiracy that posed an existential threat to the racial purity of the "Aryan" people, there was also an extensive effort to link Jewishness to problems of everyday criminality.

— Ned Richardson-Little (@HistoryNed) June 19, 2019

Others suggested that American has already lost its moral footing when our denial of having concentration camps turned on technicalities.

You know America is going to hell in a handbasket when people are debating the sematics of what constitutes a concentration camp.

— Elizabeth Thorp (@ElizabethEThorp) June 19, 2019

Those siding with Ocasio-Cortez were far from a homogeneous group politically. In response to Hayes' tweet invoking "Godwin's law"—the axiom, coined by lawyer Mike Godwin, that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"—Godwin himself responded that, no, this wasn't what he was talking about.

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In a follow-up tweet, Godwin added: "Stop thinking that if you didn't do all the same things the Nazis did, you didn't really run a concentration camp."

"Yes, 'concentration camps' is accurate," tweeted Washington Post and former Reason staffer Radley Balko with a link to this Esquire story.

Andrea Pitzer, author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, told Esquire: "We have what I would call a concentration camp system, and the definition of that in my book is, mass detention of civilians without trial."

Actor George Takei tweeted: "I know what concentration camps are. I was inside two of them, in America. And yes, we are operating such camps again."

Today The New York Times talks about one of the youngest victims of this system, whatever you call it. At four months old, "Constantin was ultimately the youngest of thousands of children taken from their parents under a policy that was meant to deter families hoping to immigrate to the United States," the Times reports.

The boy's family had come from Romania, seeking asylum from ethnic persecution of Roma there. The dad and boy went first, presenting themselves to border agents who locked the father up and took the boy. More:

In Constantin's case, it would be months before his parents saw him again. Before then, his father would be sent for psychiatric evaluation in a Texas immigration detention center because he couldn't stop crying; his mother would be hospitalized with hypertension from stress. Constantin would become attached to a middle-class American family, having spent the majority of his life in their tri-level house on a tree-lined street in rural Michigan, and then be sent home.

Now more than a year and a half old, the baby still can't walk on his own, and has not spoken.


FREE MINDS

A crackdown on emotional support animals is underway, following a sudden rash of complaints to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development over alleged housing discrimination by landlords who wouldn't allow pets that owners claimed were medically necessary. HUD has received "more than a thousand similar complaints" so far in 2019, reports The New York Times. More:

The number of people claiming they have a right to live with animals for their mental health — as well as to take them onto planes and into restaurants and stores — has been growing rapidly.

In 2011, the National Service Animal Registry, a for-profit company that sells official-looking vests and certificates for owners, had 2,400 service and emotional support animals in its registry. Now the number is nearly 200,000.

But the spread of such animals — the vast majority of them dogs — has also been met by concerns from landlords, airlines and other businesses that many Americans may be abusing the system. Critics say that pet owners are obtaining phony certifications or letters from online therapists to avoid paying fees or to get permission to bring creatures where they wouldn't normally be allowed.

Now, "more than two dozen state legislatures have enacted new laws to crack down on fraud."


FREE MARKETS

A reminder on the legal distinction between online "platforms" and online "publishers": there is none. At techdirt, Mike Masnick responds to ongoing claims from politicians and press that there is:

So, let's be clear, once again and state that there is no special legal distinction for "platforms," and it makes no difference in the world if an internet company refers to itself as a platform, or a publisher (or, for that matter, an instigator, an enabler, a middleman, a gatekeeper, a forum, or anything). All that matters is do they meet the legal definition of an interactive computer service (which, if they're online, the answer is generally "yes"), and (to be protected under [Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act]) whether there's a legal question about whether or not they're to be held liable for third party content.

Some people may want the law changed. And they may think that "internet platforms" should require some specific rules and regulations — including silly, unenforceable ideas like "being neutral," — but that's got nothing to do with the law today, and any suggestion that it does is simply incorrect.

More here.

And while we're on the subject: Jeff Kosseff, author of The Twenty-Six Words That Created the Internet, and Eric Goldman, a law professor, have curated an awesome archive of case documents related to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

Also, check out James Pethokoukis' post at AEIdeas, the American Enterprise Institute's blog, which implores folks not to "ruin the internet over flukey 'bias' incidents like the recent one on Pinterest." Sound advice!


QUICK HITS

  • Katharine Gorka, wife of loony-tunes ex-Trump official Sebastian Gorka, "is expected to be the new press secretary at Customs and Border Protection," according to CNN Politics.
  • The United Nations says there is "credible evidence" that Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman played a role in the death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and should be investigated.
  • You know it's bad when they won't tell you what a bill does other than "give U.S. law enforcement the tools it needs."
  • The world is seeing a record number of displaced people.
  • Using antitrust law to break up "Big Tech" is a "20th century solution to 21st century problems," said 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    A concentration camp by any other name…

    You know who else kept talking about concentration camps?

    1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      Hello.

      You're a buffoon, a clown and a complete fuckhead if you think those are concentration camps. And once again we see a) the ability of people to engage in mental gymnastics to prove a terrible and inaccurate analogy and b) the utter hypocrisy of the left. The anti-war left go silent when their guy is doing the killing and now they've found themselves another fake hill to die on with the migrant crisis.

      I musta missed the part where the United States of America was rounding up, enslaving and eventually killing migrants. Are these people not freely attempting to gain entry?

      This is spectacular ignorance on full display here and it's unacceptable.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      FDR?

    3. Aloysious   6 years ago

      The Boers?

      1. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

        The Bores?

        1. Aloysious   6 years ago

          Them too.

        2. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

          What about The Whores?

          1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

            I messed that up.

            The Whoars?

            1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

              The Oars?

    4. lap83   6 years ago

      everyone else on the internet?

    5. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      Michelle Malkin?

    6. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

      All those parents who sends their kids away in the summer to lose 100lbs?

    7. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      Joseph Stalin?

    8. KevinP   6 years ago

      It's disappointing to see Radley Balko go far left.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    ...creating a necessarily charged environment under which we must consider some very serious and real problems.

    You know who else didn't want to keep talking about concentration camps?

    1. Dillinger   6 years ago

      FDR?

    2. Conchfritters   6 years ago

      Pol Pot?

    3. Leo Kovalensky II   6 years ago

      Anyone with ADD?

  3. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    ...Godwin himself responded that, no, this wasn't what he was talking about.

    You know who else ended up jumping his very own proverbial shark?

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      Did he disappear in a puff of logic?

    2. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

      Barry Zuckerkorn?

    3. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      The Fonz?

    4. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      Steve Irwin?

    5. Unable2Reason   6 years ago

      Flipper?

  4. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    I know what concentration camps are. I was inside two of them, in America.

    America, you're no Jack Kennedy.

    1. Conchfritters   6 years ago

      We put Sulu in two concentration camps?? And he lived? Holy shit!

      1. Zeb   6 years ago

        People seem to be conflating concentration camps in general and The particularly evil Nazi version.
        The immigration detention camps aren't concentration camps because the people there are held under normal, civilian law. But the Japanese internment camps were certainly concentration camps. At the time the term had not become associated with the Nazi death camps.

        1. JesseAz   6 years ago

          We also dont use them as forced labor. And in general people dont line up to get into concentration camps.

      2. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

        "oh my."

      3. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

        I believe he was held at Ft. Chaffee in Arkansas for a while. Prez Carter sent Cubans there during the Cuban refugee crises in 1980.
        I think there were about 125,000 refugees and that was enough to overload the system and transfer them to places like Ft. Chaffee.

    2. damikesc   6 years ago

      ...yet he supports the party that PUT HIM THERE.

      Odd.

  5. lap83   6 years ago

    'Concentration Camp Semantics'

    at least in Nazi Germany the roundups were always on time

    1. sharmota4zeb   6 years ago

      There's a reason why the religious right in Israel keeps protesting train construction here.

  6. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

    If democrats would run on "every federal government building is a concentration camp and needs to go" I'd vote for that in a heartbeat

    1. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

      Public schools are concentration camps. Fact.

      1. sharmota4zeb   6 years ago

        😀

  7. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Today The New York Times talks about one of the youngest victims of this system, whatever you call it.

    Bureaucracy.

    1. colorblindkid   6 years ago

      Compare what happens at the border to what happens in state child protective services every day. I'm pretty sure far more American children are lost or die in government custody or are separated from their parents for bullshit reasons due to government incompetence and abuse than immigrant children at the border.

  8. colorblindkid   6 years ago

    I'm fine calling them concentration camps, but unless you are willing to say "Obama built and oversaw concentration camps that housed hundreds of thousands of brown people" then you don't actually think they are concentration camps and you are a delusional partisan fucking asshole disinterested in the truth.

    1. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

      You can call the sites "concentration camps" if I can call the occupants "invaders".

    2. Number 2   6 years ago

      This

  9. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    A crackdown on emotional support animals is underway...

    Like the America support buffalo, this system is being gamed out of existence.

    1. Juice   6 years ago

      *support bison

      1. Rhombus of Terror   6 years ago

        An ungulate so nice, they named it twice!

    2. Unable2Reason   6 years ago

      No matter how many handicap spots you add, there's always somebody to fill them. The parking spaces must be creating disabled people. There's no other possible explanation.

      1. Rat on a train   6 years ago

        I'm amazed at how fast the handicapped can run when the train is already on the platform.

  10. Old Mexican - Mostly Harmless   6 years ago

    ---"The term concentration camp technically refers to any 'camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy'" ---

    One thing I know is that from the standpoint of Trumpistas, who fap fap fap at the sight of brown human suffering, these are not 'concentration camp' **enough**.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

      What's worse, a border concentration camp or a trash-strewn, gang-ridden barrio?

    2. Sevo   6 years ago

      "One thing I know is that from the standpoint of Trumpistas, who fap fap fap at the sight of brown human suffering, these are not ‘concentration camp’ **enough**."

      One thing I know is that fucking TDS victims can't tell the truth if it were on the teleprompter.
      Fuck off, asshole. Seek help.

    3. Mickey Rat   6 years ago

      And there is the race card whine.

      1. Nardz   6 years ago

        Always amusing how the "anti" racists are reliably the first to bring up race in any discussion

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

          You see things according to your own filters. They see everything as a race issue. If a white man and a black man teamed together to rob someone, the arrest of the black man would be considered racists to those who see everything as racism.

          1. JesseAz   6 years ago

            Just like democrats. First race through the kkk. Then race through eugenics. Then race through bribing them with welfare. Then race through victim based intersectionality. when were democrats not looking through a race based lens?

      2. sharmota4zeb   6 years ago

        Didn't you know that the Roma are brown? 😉

    4. markm23   6 years ago

      The first use of "concentration camp" was by the British during the 2d Boer War. These were essentially POW camps for civilians, as part of destroying the farms that were the support network and hiding places for the guerillas. The death rate in these camps were high - rather like that in actual POW camps in the American Civil War, and mainly for the same reasons: the governments running the camps were ill-prepared to feed and house so many, nor to maintain sanitation and treat disease outbreaks.

      Most POW's were shipped to England or other colonies, where it was much easier to supply the POW camps, there were more doctors available, and the death rate was low. Probably due to the dubious legality of imprisoning the civilians at all, the Brits were unwilling to ship them out of the country, so food for the concentration camps had to be shipped overseas, and then hauled across land on the very supply routes that the guerillas were attacking. The food was always short, as was nearly everything else the camps required. But the British never _intended_ to kill civilians.

      By comparison, the Nazis used "concentration camp" as a dishonest euphemism for "forced labor camp" and "death camp". They _intended_ to kill the prisoners - while extracting a profit by working the stronger to death on inadequate rations. The phrase was a lie, intended to make the camps frightening enough for Germans to fear resisting or opposing Nazi rule, while not _knowing_ enough that resistance became a moral necessity.

      The USSR's Gulag probably reached similar death rates, by carelessness and neglect rather than planning.

  11. Sevo   6 years ago

    "In a live video yesterday, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) said unequivocally that "the U.S. is running concentration camps on our southern border"..."

    Yet one more reason to ignore this twit.

    1. KevinP   6 years ago

      AOC is a watermelon.
      Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

  12. Adans smith   6 years ago

    As I stated yesterday, AOC is a idiot.

  13. IceTrey   6 years ago

    So every jail is now a concentration camp because when arrested people are being held without a trail.

    1. colorblindkid   6 years ago

      Every refugee camp is a concentration camp, too.

      1. Longtobefree   6 years ago

        Just the ones where we use the inmates as slave labor and then kill them - - - -

  14. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    The United Nations says there is "credible evidence" that Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman played a role in the death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and should be investigated.

    The UN is as corrupt an entity as you can find. But no duh.

    1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

      It was the Russians.

    2. sharmota4zeb   6 years ago

      Did I tell you guys about the time I inserted a 10 foot metal pole into some Turkish real estate?

    3. damikesc   6 years ago

      Why am I supposed to be upset that a Muslim Brotherhood apologist got killed by rivals?

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

        Yes, you suppose to be more upset about that than some US citizens being murdered at an embassy.

        1. damikesc   6 years ago

          I don't give a shit. His death did not impact me one iota.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

            You didn't catch the sarcasm?

  15. Cyto   6 years ago

    Sometimes it is hard to tell whether an argument is honest or productive or if it is honestly motivated. Other times it isn't all that hard.

    When everyone who is on one side of an issue is a hardcore leftist and everyone who is on the other side of an issue is not, I think you have your answer.

    There is a lot to find interesting about this discussion over immigration. The left has been trying to use language to reframe the debate as good versus evil. This is bog-standard for them.

    The most ridiculous example of this is the repeated assertion that Trump is separating families. When this first started, it was widely reported that this was an obama-era policy that was the result of a Court ruling. The federal government is required to separate the children from the families while they are being held. This was a decision made by a judge, not by Donald Trump, and it did not even happen during the Trump Administration.

    Now we are arguing over the words "concentration camp". Because if we can call them concentration camps then the debate is over. Anyone supporting that is by definition evil.

    But short of passing a complete open borders policy, exactly what does anyone expect the government to do? Is there even one person here who seriously believes that any of those leftist activist Twitter denizens or CNN commentators would suddenly be on Trump's side if he opened the borders to all illegal immigrants and released all illegal immigrants?

    And exactly what would these folks have these illegal immigrants do if they were all released? It is illegal to hire them. They cannot work. So exactly how are they supposed to survive here? The only possible answer for this large number of people is for them to work illegally.

    When there are millions of illegal immigrants entering the country over a sustained number of years, as we have been experiencing for the last decade or more, there are not going to be any easy answers.

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      When everyone who is on one side of an issue is a hardcore leftist and everyone who is on the other side of an issue is not, I think you have your answer.

      Interesting framing. On one side, we have hardcore leftists. On the other side? No hardcore leftists. Just reasonable folk trying to keep fanaticism at bay. Mmmkay.

      1. Chinny Chin Chin   6 years ago

        Sometimes it is hard to tell whether an argument is honest or productive or if it is honestly motivated. Other times it isn’t all that hard.

    2. Rich   6 years ago

      And exactly what would these folks have these illegal immigrants do if they were all released?

      Well, a lot of "these folks" seem to think they make excellent nannies.

      1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

        Well, a lot of “these folks” seem to think they make excellent nannies slave labor.

      2. damikesc   6 years ago

        Yet get pissy when it is discussed "Hey, maybe we should release them where YOU live"

        People love to virtue signal when they have no skin in the game.

        1. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

          I wish Trump would go back to busing migrants to democrat strongholds. That was amusing as hell

    3. Leo Kovalensky II   6 years ago

      When everyone who is on one side of an issue is a hardcore leftist and everyone who is on the other side of an issue is not, I think you have your answer.

      There are libertarians who, shockingly, believe that government has no legitimate role in handing out permission slips for travel, work, freedom of association. It seems not everyone on that side of the issue is a leftist, but you do you.

      I'll echo what I said on this topic yesterday. References to "concentration camps" or "Kristallnacht" are inaccurate and I think harmful to the cause of freedom. They are devisive (at best) and tend to shut down conversation. In other words, I don't support their use in this case.

      1. John   6 years ago

        There are libertarians who, shockingly, believe that government has no legitimate role in handing out permission slips for travel, work, freedom of association. It seems not everyone on that side of the issue is a leftist, but you do you.

        Sure there are. But God damn own that and stop lying and pretending that you are for anything but total open borders. Time and again you fuckers claim "no one is really for open borders" only to turn around and say things like this that show that you do.

        If the government can't control the borders, then everyone gets in even if they are here to do harm or to take welfare and no matter how much harm their presence causes to the people already here. That is your position. Be honsest enough to own it. Every time someone is killed or harmed by an alien, they are just eggs in the big transgendered, gay, libertarian pot brownie Libertarians are making for America. But it is not a Utopian ideology or anything. You just want a transnational revolution and one world system of government.

        1. Zeb   6 years ago

          OK, and how about you acknowledge that it's possible to believe that open borders is the ideal in a better world and also to understand that it is a practical impossibility in the world that exists?
          No one is lying. What reason would there be to lie about it? It's people with strong (perhaps somewhat Utopian) beliefs seeking a practical compromise position.

          1. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

            " it is a practical impossibility in the world that exists"

            Negotiate with people who seek impossible outcomes? Sounds like a great way to spend time.

          2. BYODB   6 years ago

            It's not necessarily a lie. More often than not it's a product of an illogical mind. That makes discussing the subject mostly a waste of time when they're people like ChemJeff that believe that immigrants have a right to be in U.S. Federal Prison as a matter of natural law.

            Ignorance is strength, indeed.

          3. JesseAz   6 years ago

            You can be just as naive as the dumbass communist kids you laugh at. Sure.

        2. Nardz   6 years ago

          But they're going to do internationalist communism right this time!

        3. Leo Kovalensky II   6 years ago

          If the government can’t control the borders, then everyone gets in even if they are here to do harm or to take welfare and no matter how much harm their presence causes to the people already here.
          The government currently can't control the borders even though they have countless laws. Otherwise, why do we have a #NationalEmergency? Maybe you should step back and look at the issue from the perspective that laws and border enforcement aren't effective today. Do you really think the solution is more laws and more enforcement?

          I'm not an absolutist on borders, even though you paint me as one. There is a middle ground between allowing everyone to come here unimpeded and severely restricting work visas to a centrally-planned quota system. If you can't acknowledge that there is room in the middle of those two positions, then talking about this is a waste of time.

          Government has a legitimate function to keep out people who would do harm to the country. (I even bolded it so that hopefully you'll read what I'm actually saying this time.) Even Trump would admit that isn't every single immigrant. As I've pointed out, our current system of limiting people who simply want to come here and work has created an undue burden on the border patrol in which they can't effectively provide security against the slim minority of immigrants who would do us harm.

          Your preferred system of prohibition is part of the reason we have a "crisis" at the border today. Just like the extreme prohibition of illicit drugs has caused more harm than good.

          You just want a transnational revolution and one world system of government.
          LOL, this is what John does best. Building up and tearing down strawmen.

          1. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

            "in which they can’t effectively provide security against the slim minority of immigrants who would do us harm."

            There's your problem right there. It's not about single instances of harm, it's about millions upon millions of people crossing in a short period of time. Why allow such unstable migration to the detriment of citizens? Which millionth plus immigrant would be the straw that broke our backs? You think your family will enjoy the chaos of millions of poor people with no where to live roaming about your neighborhood? Grow up Peter Pan

            1. Leo Kovalensky II   6 years ago

              Then why doesn't your side come out and say what it really means? We don't want non-American poor people in our neighborhoods. Why hide behind "border security?"

              1. JesseAz   6 years ago

                Dont give a shit if they are american or non american. Goal is to have people provide for themselves to do the least amount of harm in general. Increasing the level of poor is stupid and ignorant no matter the country of origin including the united states.

                Now can you be honest in argumentation on this topic or you going to keep with the "you're racist" implications?

          2. JesseAz   6 years ago

            Leo, now use your argument on why bothering to make murder illegal. Watch how quickly you realize the naivete of your statements.

            1. Leo Kovalensky II   6 years ago

              Murder is clearly a violation of the vitcim's right to life. Use of force is justified.

              Who is the victim of immigration? And before you say society (ie the collective), consider that this is also Bernie Sanders's argument against immigration.

              You're advocating to use the full force of government to stop someone from potentially mooching off of some other government construct of collectivism. More government!

              1. Azathoth!!   6 years ago

                Who is the victim of immigration?

                No one is the victim of immigration.

                I am the victim of illegal immigration.

                There's a big difference. It's a very revealing tell that ALL of you endlessly try to make this about immigration when it's about people breaking into my country.

                1. ThomasD   6 years ago

                  The welfare state is a direct affront to my liberty.

                  Every person that enters this country and adds to that burden is an additional injury to me.

      2. JesseAz   6 years ago

        We call those people naive.

    4. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

      "But short of passing a complete open borders policy, exactly what does anyone expect the government to do?"

      Give them 40 acres and a mule?

    5. Mickey Rat   6 years ago

      Yes, the goal here seems to be to achieve an open borders policy by default by making practical enforcement of any restrictions beyond the pale. It is a dishonest approach, that appeals to emotion over reason.

      And whatever Trump has said to justify the separation policy, it was originally implemented for human trafficking concerns. Also, concentration camps are usually forced detentions of people who are already legal residents for extraordinary reasons, not part of attempting to put some order in a standard legal process for people who are not residents.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

        No one is really talking about open boarders. They want to give people coming across the southern border travel rights that don't exist for Americans. I haven't heard anyone complain about Americans having a right to cross into Mexico.

        1. Mickey Rat   6 years ago

          Well, yes they do not really care if any other countries borders are open or not.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   6 years ago

        And whatever Trump has said to justify the separation policy, it was originally implemented for human trafficking concerns.

        Trump's version of family separation policy had nothing to do with "human trafficking concerns". It was explicitly a policy of deterrence. To separate children from their parents *in order to send a message*, regardless of whether the kids were suspected of being trafficked or not.

        1. Mickey Rat   6 years ago

          That does not change that the policy prexisted the Trump Administration.

        2. JesseAz   6 years ago

          You say stupid shit. We literally have reports on the rates of non familial children/crossers fucktard Jeff.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    You know it's bad when they won't tell you what a bill does other than "give U.S. law enforcement the tools it needs."

    We have to pass it to find out how we can use it to fuck you all the way over.

  17. Rich   6 years ago

    Critics say that pet owners are obtaining phony certifications or letters from online therapists to avoid paying fees or to get permission to bring creatures where they wouldn't normally be allowed.

    Critics say that anyone who "needs" to bring creatures where they wouldn't normally be allowed should probably be institutionalized.

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      I see you've stopped inviting Crusty over?

      1. Rich   6 years ago

        Hey! It's a mutual understanding!

  18. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Using antitrust law to break up "Big Tech" is a "20th century solution to 21st century problems," said 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang.

    Buying votes, however, never goes out of style.

  19. NashTiger   6 years ago

    Every Elementary School is a Concentration Camp. They separate kids from their parents, the kids are not free to leave and those claiming to be parents are not free to walk in and free their children without rigorous background checks, and it is all built on age-based discrimination. And it lasts longer than 20 days

    1. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

      Hell yeah.

      1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

        There has never been an escape from stalag , I mean PS 13.

  20. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

    What the hell? Where is my comment about Sarwark's latest insane tweetstorm? I already closed that tab. I ain't looking for it again.

  21. Rich   6 years ago

    Concentration Moon, over the camp in the valley

  22. Eddy   6 years ago

    So Godwin himself goes Godwin, and what little chance there was for sensible discussion disappears.

    1. Cyto   6 years ago

      Excellent take, succinctly offered.

    2. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

      Doesn't Godwin automatically Godwin every discussion he tries to have?

    3. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      That's mind boggling. Yes, it is accurate what happened in Germany but to correlate it to this issue? Wow.

      That's some looooonnnnngggggg dubious stretch.

      I despise these people. Moral degenerates. Like bio-ethicists.

      This absolutely is about Trump. Not virtue or empathy or anything.

      Hayes is being the sensible one here.

      And where's John anyway?

      1. damikesc   6 years ago

        I didn't see Jews FLOCKING to Germany to be put in the camps.

        Maybe there is a part in history I'm unaware of where Jewish folks were streaming into Germany in massive numbers to be put in camps.

        1. MelvinUpton   6 years ago

          Mexicans aren't coming to the US for the holding camps though

          1. damikesc   6 years ago

            Jews weren't going to Germany PERIOD.

            And if 100,000 demand asylum and we can only listen to a fraction of the cases at a time...what would YOU do with the others?

            1. MelvinUpton   6 years ago

              I'm not arguing that they aren't necessary. But I am saying that they are holding people against their will.

              1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

                ""But I am saying that they are holding people against their will."'

                Are you not allowed to leave if you agree to return home?

                Many are being held because they want an asylum hearing for a country which they have chosen to migrate. They are being held because of their will to migrate coupled with a choking of the system due to volume.

                They come to America, America does not come to them and that's a big difference between Nazi Germany and the US. It wasn't just German Jews being murdered in those camps.

                1. MelvinUpton   6 years ago

                  I am not equating these camps to Holocaust concentration camps. But it's pretty easy for us to say that these people should just return to whatever poor Central American country they came from when we live in a comparable paradise. I will take the no-good-solution position on this one.

                  1. damikesc   6 years ago

                    It's not our job to fix Central America's problem. I don't want to nation build internationally...nor do I wish to import their problems here.

                  2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

                    It's pretty easy to say if you want to come please respect our laws. This is not horrible position to have. What country doesn't want you to respect their laws when you arrive?

                    1. MelvinUpton   6 years ago

                      Are you sure that immigrants bring crime or have you been listening to too much R propaganda

                    2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

                      ""Are you sure that immigrants bring crime"'

                      I didn't say they were bringing crime. But if you cross the border of a country illegally you are committing a crime.

                      Are you sure you are not listening to too much L propaganda which made you assume I was?

                    3. MelvinUpton   6 years ago

                      "[I]f you want to come please respect our laws." That line just sounds too GOP for me to accept. Our legal immigration system isn't the most efficient machine. Again, I don't know where I stand on this issue but I'm definitely not on the build-the-wall wagon.

                    4. Azathoth!!   6 years ago

                      <“[I]f you want to come please respect our laws.” That line just sounds too GOP for me to accept.

                      GOP?

                      Every country says it to everyone who crosses their borders--be it to migrate, to vacation, or to just pass through.

                      Why do you find the simple act of asking someone who wants to enter your country to obey the laws of said country to be problematic?

                      What's GOP about expecting people to comply with the fact that we drive on the right?

              2. damikesc   6 years ago

                No, they are not. They are free to leave. Just not into the USA.

                If they wish to return home...the door is wide open and they are more than welcome to do so.

                1. MelvinUpton   6 years ago

                  Why don't you fuck off to Venezuela and then we'll talk

                  1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

                    He would need a passport to go there. Do you think Venezuela would let him just walk in?

                    1. MelvinUpton   6 years ago

                      I don't think they get many visitors these days.

                  2. damikesc   6 years ago

                    I don't come from Venezuela nor am I demanding that they allow me into Venezuela. I'm not sure where you got your Ph.D in idiotic analogies, but you certainly deserved it.

  23. Cyto   6 years ago

    As to the term concentration camp, it is completely inapplicable in the situation. It is unquestionably a camp of sorts. But the "concentration" modifier implies that you were taking a dispersed subgroup of the population and concentrating them in one location.

    This debate is in reference to Asylum Seekers. They are not dispersed throughout the population, but are crossing the border and being detained while their status is determined. In many cases, such people are evaluated and released with vouchers and social worker support. Unfortunately, experience shows that the vast majority never show up for their Asylum hearing.

    So again, exactly what would you do? You are not going to get an open borders law from either the Democrats or the Republicans. So do you really advocate continuing the status quo of allowing illegal immigration with a wink-and-a-nod so that we can have an underclass of people who are not allowed to work? And easily exploitable population for low-wage jobs?

    1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      I love how ignoramus illiberal are EDUCATED us who are literate what the term 'concentration camps' are and in the case of that twat telling us how it's different from a 'death camp.' Fuck right off you stupid tart. I bet you she never read a single book on the issue.

    2. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

      I think you need to call them alleged asylum seekers, if their status is yet to be determined.

      1. Zeb   6 years ago

        They are still seeking that status. I'm pretty sure that makes them "asylum seekers".

  24. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Katharine Gorka, wife of loony-tunes ex-Trump official Sebastian Gorka, "is expected to be the new press secretary at Customs and Border Protection," according to CNN Politics.

    Government spox has always been one of the most irrelevant jobs in existence.

  25. Rich   6 years ago

    Hope for November 2032, if not for the next few weeks

  26. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

    AOC: "This one time, at concentration camp, ..."

    1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      "Anyone who took me literally is an idiot!"

      Of course she didn't *mean* the world was going to end in 12 years!

      1. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

        I think she was taken, literally, by a large number of men. And most were probably idiots...

        1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

          With those big teeth, I would be safer to take her from behind.

    2. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      AOC does have a rusty trombone for a mouth.

  27. JohannesDinkle   6 years ago

    If the Jews or Boers could have just walked out, then the camps would not have been so bad. Any illegal immigrant inside the camp has the option of going back across the border from whence he came.
    I have found that, if I want good lodgings, it is prudent to call ahead.

  28. John   6 years ago

    There are two aspects to the Holocaust comparisons. The purpose is not just to attack Trump but to also engage in a less crude form of Holocaust denial. When you compare the Holocaust to something that doesn't involve the murder of millions of people it doesn't just make the thing you are comparing it to look worse. It also makes the Holocaust look better than it actually was. And that is different only in degree but not in kind from saying it never happened at all.

    Now AOC is just an idiot. I don't think she had anything in mind other than emoting the usual "Republicans are Nazis" talking points. But others on the left like Omar know exactly what they are saying and doing here.

    1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

      I think the main point is to "start a dialogue" that creates an association in people's minds between Trump and the Nazis.

      The best thing we can do with this shit is ignore it.

    2. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      I for one never understood why so many Jewish Americans latched on to Socialists that mostly make up the Democrat Party.

  29. Rich   6 years ago

    "Take me home! I hate Granada!"

  30. Entropic Principle   6 years ago

    Funny how they ignored all this a few years ago when it was politically expedient to do so.

    And if they win the white house again they will go on ignoring it.

    But when you care more about migrants than your own citizens do not be surprised when your citizens vote you out of office.

    1. MelvinUpton   6 years ago

      They don't about the migrants, they care about the power they get by moral grandstanding over the migrants

  31. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

    The irony is it's the political positions of people like MxMarximus Illiteratus and Grandpa Gulag that lead to REAL death camps.

    Anyway...

    "Buchenwald was one of the first and the largest of the concentration camps within Germany's 1937 borders. Many actual or suspected communists were among the first internees.
    Prisoners from all over Europe and the Soviet Union—Jews, Poles and other Slavs, the mentally ill and physically disabled, political prisoners, Romani people, Freemasons, criminals, homosexuals, and prisoners of war—worked primarily as forced labor in local armaments factories. The insufficient food and poor conditions, as well as deliberate executions, led to 56,000 deaths at Buchenwald of the 250,000 prisoners who passed through the camp. The camp gained notoriety when it was liberated by the United States Army in 1945; Allied commander Dwight D. Eisenhower visited one of its subcamps.

    From 1945 to 1950, the camp was used by the Soviet occupation authorities as an internment camp, NKVD special camp Nr. 2. Between August 1945 and the dissolution on March 1, 1950, 28,455 prisoners, including 1,000 women, were held by the Soviet Union at Buchenwald. A total of 7,113 people died in Special Camp Number 2, according to the Soviet records. They were buried in mass graves in the woods surrounding the camp. Their relatives did not receive any notification of their deaths."
    .

    1. Chuckles the Snarky Piggy   6 years ago

      Many actual or suspected communists were among the first internees.

      Now there is an idea I can get behind!

    2. damikesc   6 years ago

      Hell, to make it sadder, you had a much higher chance of surviving as a Communist if you were in Nazi Germany than in the USSR. They was for the entire war, mind you.

  32. John   6 years ago

    Someone needs to tell AOC that the detention centers are Gulags. Send the immigrants out to dig canals, build subways, and do other work for the people. Do that and AOC would be the biggest supporter of ICE in Congress

    1. damikesc   6 years ago

      Why are so few willing to say the dirty truth?

      The Democrats do not have a problem with the Holocaust. They feel that we have done "enough" for the Jews and that the Jews now "owe" them.

  33. Rich   6 years ago

    You know it's bad when they won't tell you what a bill does other than "give U.S. law enforcement the tools it needs."

    A summary is in progress.

  34. Enjoy Every Sandwich   6 years ago

    The "concentration camps" remark looks to me like just part of the larger Democrat scheme for winning in 2020: Trump is Hitler, anybody who votes for him is a fascist, they've already turned us into The Handmaid's Tale, etc.

    Looking at their list of prospective nominees, I can see why they would be eager to change the subject.

  35. Inigo Montoya   6 years ago

    AOC’s spiritual ancestor FDR started up and ran concentration camps for Japanese-Americans (including native born ones), and more recently Central Americans were being caged up in the very same camps she’s complaining about during the reign of Trump’s predecessor and AOC’s buddy, so she and her party should know all about this kind of stuff.

  36. Rich   6 years ago

    Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) said unequivocally that "the U.S. is running concentration camps on our southern border" and that "we need to do something about it."

    Something like recalling Ocasio-Cortez?

  37. Earth Skeptic   6 years ago

    But the emotional cripples need their support beagles or weasels or wombats, and they love them. So of course they can take them everywhere. And they should be allowed to marry them. And then, the animals should be given the vote. And...

  38. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

    To make sure they caught the next mass shooter before he (or she) could act, Harris County Texas started going after students who made threats against the school.

    "Under Mr. Jordan, Harris County charged an unprecedented 216 students in the three months following the Feb. 14, 2018, Parkland shooting, including many with felonies. But when Mr. Jordan examined the cases last summer, he found that nearly 90% involved first-time offenders. More than half were 12-, 13- or 14-year-olds."

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/afraid-of-missing-the-next-school-shooter-one-prosecutor-charged-216-kids-now-hes-rethinking-11560936602?

    1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

      People thought that was ridiculous, so they revamped the system:

      "During the 2018-2019 school year, Harris County charged only 112 students for threats against schools, he said, and a smaller percentage were felonies than last year.

      “We’re not going to just charge kids for being idiots,” Mr. Jordan said of the new approach."

      ----Ibidem

      What an improvement!!? I don't suppose anyone should charge Harris County for being idiots, but if that were a crime, surely Harris Country would be a likely candidate for an indictment.

      IF IF IF kids who feel bullied by the system are more likely to go ballistic, then is Harris County's program actually increasingly the likelihood of a mass shooting?

      Given the remote likelihood of a mass shooting occurring in Harris County, I'd be willing to wager that the chances of being sent to juvenile hall because of Harris County's efforts are higher than the chances that Harris County will save any kid from a mass shooting.

      1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

        The beatings will continue until morale improves.

      2. Michael Ejercito   6 years ago

        How about these kids simply do not make threats?

        1. Altar'd Boy   6 years ago

          Arrest Bruce Springsteen for the lyrics to “growing up”!

  39. Dillinger   6 years ago

    >>>the term evokes only one thing

    this.

  40. creech   6 years ago

    I blame the media for refusing to publicize the Democrat's well thought out and comprehensive detailed plan for solving the immigration crisis. Maybe one or more of the 20 presidential candidates can spend his or her 30 seconds during the debate to lay it out for us?

    1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

      The Democrats' comprehensive immigration plan seems pretty clear to me:

      1) Let them all in.
      2) Give them all welfare.
      3) Register them all to vote.

      1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        Yup. This is Democrat Plan A.

    2. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      But first lemme pull a rabbit out of my ass!

      /Bullwinkle voice.

      We all know they'll do no such thing. They'll just play the 'OMG immoral gulags Orange Man Bad REEEEEE!' game.

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      What's funny is that the way to get the dems to shut up about the issues is to elect a dem president, not to actually solve the problem.

      They didn't care that Obama was deporting people in large numbers, separating kids, and whatnot.

      1. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

        This is how I feel about Obamacare and reducing the deficit

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

          I found it funny when people who claimed to like Obamacare complained about not having insurance. Reminding them that Obamacare required them to buy a plan by law, and they were not in compliance with the law would get you an evil look.

  41. Chuckles the Snarky Piggy   6 years ago

    Capitalist "concentration" camp = food + water + medical treatment + legal representation + better conditions than where they came from + result of voluntary travel + separated from family (illegal immigrants only).

    Socialist concentration camp = starvation + inhumane living conditions + forced labor until dead + torture + driven out of home + involuntary travel + separated from family.

    Gee, you would think that someone who identifies as a socialist would try not to bring up topics that have such associations.

    1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      The TDS tears hitting the keyboards of most reason staff makes it hard to write coherent thoughts down.

  42. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

    "And how much does it really matter what we call them?"

    A lot apparently, because words mean things. It seems quite important to some people that we call them concentration camps, so there must be some value in that term.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

      Fun parlor game. I'll play: No, it doesn't matter what we call them, so I'm going to call them High End Vacation Resorts.

  43. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

    That's why a lot of folks—including many Democrats—insisted that using "concentration camps" to refer to facilities run by U.S. immigration authorities just muddies the proverbial waters, creating a needlessly charged environment under which we must consider some very serious and real problems

    It shows that anyone who calls ICE Detention Centers "Concentration Camps" are lying morons.

    Illegal immigrants can leave Detention Centers anytime they want by simply saying they will self-deport.

    Nobody was getting out of a concentration camp until until the Socialists wanted you out. Death camps, hardly anyone got out.

  44. sharmota4zeb   6 years ago

    In a live video yesterday, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) said unequivocally that "the U.S. is running concentration camps on our southern border" and that "we need to do something about it."

    How does she feel about Hebron?

  45. sharmota4zeb   6 years ago

    Andrea Pitzer, author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, told Esquire: "We have what I would call a concentration camp system, and the definition of that in my book is, mass detention of civilians without trial."

    Umm ... at what point does a tourist become a civilian who cannot be deported or arrested for overstaying his visa?

    In related news, I decided to live in Israel for at least 6 years, because it took so fucking long for the government to buy me a ticket back home that I met a guy.

  46. damikesc   6 years ago

    This idiocy is why we need a wall.

    You will not give us a border. You refuse to do so. So, we demand a wall.

    If you worked WITH us, we'd have never demanded a wall. But you decided to fuck us over. Repeatedly.

    Sorry if lessons were learned.

  47. NolanLibertarian   6 years ago

    Concentration Camps (FDR's)
    Not sure younger folks know this shameful story. FDR used "concentration camps" to describe the Japanese "Internment camps" during WWII..

    They rounded up 120,000 Japanese- Americans after Pearl Harbor, half were children. The camps held them for four years. I think "prison camps" is most accurate. They were military captures with no trials, Their assets were seized, homes abandoned. Many died from inadequate health care. Most were citizens. All were legal residents.

    If this fits your historic interest, PBS has a great web site from a very detailed special they ran. "Children of the Camps"
    http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/index.html

    I tell all this for the punchline. Congress passed a bill, in 1988, which paid $20,000 reparations to each survivor, with an apology signed by President Clinton -- and THAT is the kicker -- for your FDR file.

    Excerpt from Clinton's apology. He's speaking of FDR.

    "In retrospect, we understand that the nation's actions were rooted deeply on racial prejudice, wartime hysteria and a lack of political leadership,

    Later investigations established that FDR's administration had evidence of no connections to Japan. A Japanese-American I know saidm strongly, that Japanese-Americans at that time hated Japan's government, for oppression of their relative back homes.

    I think we can call that Clinton's letter a kick in the balls to FDR!

    1. damikesc   6 years ago

      ...except AOC PRAISES FDR's humanity. Quite publicly.

      1. NolanLibertarian   6 years ago

        That's why I paste that in at various times, when it applies!
        I crapped my pants at Clinton's letter and almost. missed it. They have a screen shot of he actual letter, but the link is not as conspicuous as I'd like.

        Visiting the site shows brutally detailed reporting on the atrocities ... on PBS. When they knock one out of the park, it's a grand slam,.

    2. Rhombus of Terror   6 years ago

      My favorite part: nobody ever discusses the fact that Woodrow Wilson ordered a "papiere, bitte" policy on 250,000 German-Americans and FDR interned 11,000+ German-Americans during WWII...

      Italian Americans were also interned during WWII, but it appears to be less than 1,000. (Still heinous).

      But hey, none of that's important because Germans and Italians aren't "the right type" of people to be concerned about...at least not politicially...

      1. NolanLibertarian   6 years ago

        Thanks for the reminder. The Italian one was especially heinous, since my own German extraction was ignored. But it was FDR who refused a boatload(s?) of Jews fleeing Germany, who wound up back in Germany. (Nobody would take them)

        I've often thought that the western nations who established Israel, did it at least partly in guilt.

      2. markm23   6 years ago

        FDR interned 11,000+ German-Americans during WWII - out of millions. Similarly, a tiny percentage of Italian-Americans were interned. They may not have received fair hearings, but there was some _individual_ evidence that these people had responded to Hitler's and Mussolini's attempts to recruit these ethnic groups as spies and saboteurs, and a number of actual incidents of sabotage. (Innocent family members were also _voluntarily_ interned sometimes, when wives chose to go with their husbands and parents chose to bring their children along.)

        Contrast this with the internment of _all_ Japanese-Americans living within certain states. Not only was individual evidence not considered, but there was no evidence even against the group; not even _one_ Japanese-American from the west coast was a spy or saboteur.

  48. DRM   6 years ago

    The salient difference between these detention centers and concentration camps is that people are, of their own voluntary initiative, traveling hundreds of miles on foot to get into them, and at any point may choose to go back to their homes rather than remain in them.

  49. Number 2   6 years ago

    “"For many Germans, the concentration camps were not seen as part of a program of political and racial terror, but a sensible policy, which sought to deal with the problems of uncontrolled immigration of Jews from the East...”

    Seriously?
    I’m sure that there were millions of Eastern European Jews clamoring to immigrate in Germany after 1933, it being such a welcoming environment for them.

    I seem to recall that the “problem” was not “uncontrolled immigration of Jews from the East,” but uncontrolled expansion of Germany into the East.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      ""“”For many Germans, the concentration camps were not seen as part of a program ...""

      IIRC, they were not seen at all. The camps were secret.

  50. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

    Would the guy holding the sign be willing to share his room at his parent's house to accommodate some immigrants?

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      Or how much would he whine if his parents decided to make him share his room with some immigrants.

  51. Eddy   6 years ago

    Heck, let's describe everything as a concentration camp - apartment complexes, college dorms, Buddhist retreats (they camp out and work on their concentration, don't they?).

  52. Eddy   6 years ago

    By the way, why all the hate over an old Indian religious symbol? I mean, when you consider it in proper context blah blah blah...

  53. ejhickey   6 years ago

    Question: Can the people in the detention or "concentration "camps , drop their claims for asylum , leave the camps in order to return to their home countries? It seems as if they could since the purpose of having them in the camps is that they are waiting for a trial on the issue of whether they should be granted asylum status and granted entry to the US. If they have that right to leave under certain conditions , then it is really out of line to call these concentration camps or prisons since it is the asylum seekers' decision to stay

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      They can.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      Consider that despite all the horrors of slavery, some people think having to work a job to pay bills is slavery.

  54. awildseaking   6 years ago

    If George Takei's family got gassed, I wonder if he would still say ignorant shit like that. Creating facilities to keep illegal immigrants detained during their bullshit asylum claims is a perfectly logical response. There isn't any comparison to what the Nazis did and fuck him for using his victim status. Internment camps weren't concentration camps. We did not ethnically cleanse the Japanese.

    1. NolanLibertarian   6 years ago

      Sorry, he's correct.
      https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp
      Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial.

  55. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

    These facilities are not new. Obama was putting people in these concentration camps too. The next democrat president will continue to use these camps. If you want to call them that. That's one of many reasons I find this ridiculous. It's camps when Trump does it, but not when Obama does it. These facilities were paid for by congressional authorization. Probably by bipartisan vote.

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