Colorado's New 'Red Flag' Law Illustrates the Pitfalls of Disarming People Based on Their Future Behavior
The process for obtaining "extreme risk protection orders" that take away people's Second Amendment rights is rigged against gun owners from the outset.

This month Colorado became the 15th state to enact a "red flag" law that authorizes court orders forbidding gun possession by people deemed a threat to themselves or others. The new law, which has drawn strong criticism from Second Amendment advocates, including some county sheriffs, illustrates the civil liberties concerns raised by such attempts to identify and disarm people prone to suicide or homicide.
Colorado's Deputy Zackari Parrish III Violence Prevention Act, which takes effect next year, is named for a 29-year-old Douglas County sheriff's deputy who was killed in 2017 by a 36-year-old veteran with a history of psychological problems. The law allows a long list of people, including law enforcement officers, current or former household members, and people related by blood, marriage, or adoption, to seek a temporary "extreme risk protection order" (ERPO) against someone they believe "poses a significant risk of causing personal injury to self or others in the near future." The standard of proof at this stage, when the "respondent" does not have an opportunity to respond, is a "preponderance of the evidence," meaning he is more likely than not to pose a significant risk.
Depending on what counts as a "significant risk," the probability that the subject of a temporary order actually would have used a gun to hurt himself or someone else may be quite low. If 10 percent is significant, for example, that probability might be around 5 percent (51 percent times 10 percent). So even if judges are weighing the evidence with such precision, they will be taking away the Second Amendment rights of people who almost certainly would not have committed suicide or murder.
In practice, judges will be inclined to err on the side of what they take to be caution. When the only evidence comes from someone who believes the respondent poses a threat, judges will rarely, if ever, decline to issue a temporary ERPO. The possible downside of rejecting a petition—the death of the respondent or someone else—will weigh heavily on the judge's mind, while the temporary deprivation of the subject's constitutional rights will seem trivial by comparison.
A temporary ERPO lasts for up to 14 days, at which point the judge has to schedule a hearing where the respondent finally has a chance to challenge the claims against him. The respondent has a right to a court-appointed attorney if he cannot afford legal representation or would rather not pay for it. If he does not show up at the hearing, the court can issue an ERPO without any adversarial process.
To obtain an ERPO at this stage, the petitioner must present "clear and convincing evidence" that the respondent poses a significant risk. Unlike with the temporary, ex parte order, that risk need not be "in the near future." The judge may consider "any relevant evidence," including, but not limited to, recent threats or acts of violence, violations of civil protective orders, violations of previous ERPOs, criminal convictions involving violence or cruelty to animals, unlawful or reckless use of firearms, a "history of stalking," drug or alcohol abuse, recent acquisition of a firearm, a job requiring the respondent to carry a firearm, and "any available mental health evaluation or chemical dependency evaluation." While some of these factors are clearly relevant, others, such as illegal drug use or the purchase of a firearm, may have little or nothing to do with the question of whether the subject poses a significant threat to himself or others. Furthermore, the judge is authorized to consider literally any other fact or allegation that he deems relevant.
If the judge issues an ERPO, it lasts for 364 days unless the subject seeks early termination and shows by clear and convincing evidence that he does not pose a significant threat. That case will be hard to make, especially since "significant risk" is undefined and judges will not want to take the blame should something terrible happen after they terminate an order. The petitioner has a right to seek an extension of the order before it expires, based on the same standard of proof.
Eagle County Sheriff James van Beek argues in a Facebook post that the ERPO process makes gun owners "guilty until proven innocent." He notes that when the subject of an ERPO tries to have it terminated, "the burden of proof is not on the petitioner (the accuser), as in every other legal case, but instead, is placed on the respondent (defendant) to prove that the accusations are wrong." He observes that "proving one's sanity could be very difficult, as it is highly subjective." Nor is "proving one's sanity," however that's defined, enough to prevail, since a person may be considered a threat even if he does not qualify for a psychiatric diagnosis.
Van Beek also worries that "if a person is truly in a mental crisis, this aggressive approach will create even greater stress, possibly resulting in a violent overreaction, as their personal property has been taken, without a crime ever having been committed." When police seize guns from the subject of a temporary ERPO, Van Beek notes, it happens "with no warning or ability to defend themselves against the charges." Furthermore, he says, the possibility of that outcome may deter troubled people from seeking professional help.
The House version of the bill included a provision giving the respondent a civil cause of action against someone who files a "false or malicious" ERPO petition, allowing him to recover damages, costs, and attorney fees. But that provision did not make it into the final version of the law. With everyone from ex-girlfriends and former roommates to grandparents, in-laws, and second cousins empowered to seek ERPOs, the opportunities for malice or honest error are multiplied.
The basic problem, as with other "red flag" laws, is that the process is rigged against the respondent from the beginning. Once a temporary, ex parte ERPO is issued (as it probably will be), there is apt to be a bias in favor of extending it and against terminating it early, since the respondent already has been deemed a threat (even if the standard of proof was initially weak), and the possibly deadly consequences of letting him possess guns will loom large. Given that bias, the indeterminacy of "significant risk," and the difficulty of predicting a respondent's behavior, it seems inevitable that the vast majority of people who lose their constitutional rights under this sort of law will pose no real threat to themselves or others.
[This post has been corrected to reflect the excision from the final bill of the provision creating a civil cause of action against people who file "false or malicious" ERPO petitions.]
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"The basic problem, as with other 'red flag' laws, is that the process is rigged against the respondent from the beginning."
Feature, not a bug.
I was just going to post the same but you saved me the trouble.
Yeah, that was pretty clearly the plan with these laws.
If it saves just one person...
It will be a miracle on the order of the initial creation of the universe...
Unless that one person saved is a baby that survives an abortion attempt.
I was planning on watching this tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG7DGMgfOb8
Anyone who thinks these things won't be abused is either lying or doesn't understand human nature. If you are a judge deciding one of these cases, there is no downside to saying yes and taking the person's guns. If nothing happens, then you can say you prevented harm. If the guy still does something awful, you can say you tried.
In contrast, there is no upside to turning one of these things down. If nothing happens, no one is going to care or give you any credit for making the right decision. If something does happen, the judge who refused to take the perp's guns is going to be villified.
Given that set of incentives, there is no way anyone is ever going to win one of these hearings absent extraordiary circumstances.
It also makes it possible for anyone with a grudge to really fuck with you if you own guns. Or if you don't, but when guns are involved, the odds of someone getting shot by a nervous or trigger happy cop goes way up.
On the plus side, some of the pigs enforcing it will die.
Oh great, one more excuse for cops to shoot someone's dog.
These things are meant to be abused.
Will be interesting to see what happens when a stalking victim or domestic abuse is disarmed, then killed.
Who could foresee that?
That will be the fault of the judge who didn't disarm the muderer. The judge who left the victim defensless will be hailed as a brave public servent.
The victim probably would just have accidentally shot himself in the foot or something anyway.
Given the size and strength disparity between some poeple, the gun was going to be the leveler ... not all murders / abusers need firearms.
Too few people these days realize what an incredible equalizer reliable firearms were. Before guns, if you weren't a big, strong, trained fighter, you had little to no chance of defending against someone who was.
“Abe Lincoln may have freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal”
Abe freed none, but he certainly conscripted, enslaved, and taxed multitudes.
I agree. I am just saying how these idiots would spin such a situation
Who could foresee that?
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My crystal ball sees all !
"My crystal ball..."
I suppose bull riding is out of the question.
Especially when the stalker makes the red-flag complaint to disarm the future victim.
I can't WAIT for somebody to use this system to do that. Not that the progs will learn anything from it, but it will prove a point to the sane out there.
that take away people's Second Amendment rights is rigged against gun owners from the outset.
NO SPOILERS!
From the article:
The standard of proof at this stage, when the "respondent" does not have an opportunity to respond, is a "preponderance of the evidence,"
From the constitution:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Not public
No jury
No confrontation
No favorable witnesses
No counsel
Also no trial or criminal prosecution, technically speaking.
But I would say a conviction should be required before denying anyone rights that are explicitly guaranteed by the constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
There are no 'Red Flag' exceptions to the 2nd Amendment. The law is unconstitutional and should be struck down by the courts.
So? The same is true of the 16th Amendment copied from the Communist Manifesto. What of it?
Er, Constitutional Amendments are, by definition, Constitutional.
I wonder about you, Hank.
I wonder what would happen if a community decided to get an ERPO against a LEO they know to be a total asshole that shot someone while unarmed.
Judge would never allow it. Some animals are more equal and all that.
The Red Flag law is the trifecta. Using the 5th and 14th amendments of the U.S. Constitution, with the guarantee “due process of law” to all persons, to abrogate the 2nd Amendment.
"the burden of proof is not on the petitioner (the accuser), as in every other legal case, but instead, is placed on the respondent (defendant) to prove that the accusations are wrong."
So, in other words the respondent has to do the impossible and prove a negative.
Well, they have to provide a preponderance of evidence for a negative. Which is not impossible, but still is an unreasonable standard.
And it isn't really impossible in general to prove a negative. A good alibi can prove that you weren't in a particular place at a particular time, for example. A quick look outside can prove that it's not raining.
How to prove you aren't a danger to self or others, particularly if you are a LEO, soldier, MMA fighter, etc.
In point of fact, for meekness to be virtue, you MUST be dangerous. It is no virtue for the mouse to be meek. But the tom cat?
In a real sense, red flag laws have the net effect, if not intent, of revoking the 2A for competent men (i.e., able to be dangerous) in most walks of life, up to and including defenders of the household based on any accusation, valid or malicious.
We will find, through practice, that LEO accused of excessive force will never have their firearms pulled. But black men, and poor men, and disadvantaged peoples will overwhelmingly be affected.
"against someone they believe "poses a significant risk of causing personal risk to self or others..." This is like the Carl Sagan SETI formula that lines up a string of multiplied probabilities, each by definition smaller than one and based on beliefs, imaginings or hunches about ETs. The result HAS to be vanishingly unlikely but religiously attractive. If this idea is a Hail Mary by politicians to further undermine the Second Amendment while ignoring government initiation of force and overpopulation, it doubtless makes sense--to them.
Clearly, preventative gun confiscation will not always be enough, so be prepared for preventative incarceration, because future crime.
Just make them wear a badge on their left sleeve when out in public.
So... what about tattoos on their forearms? There's legal precedent for that too...
This is the legal equivalent to being "Swatted".
These Extreme Ruisk Protective orders do not go far enough. Here is what we need in addition to firearm confiscation:
- Any license to practice law or medicine that a person subject to an ERPO has should be suspended.
- Police should be able to search the persons and property of those subject to an ERPO.
- Persons subject to an ERPO should be required to wear a distinctive badge on the left sleeve when out in public. Failure to do so should be a capital offense.
- A public database of all persons who are subject, or have ever been subject, to an ERPO should be maintained.
While I’m sure on the surface it sounds like a good idea to a child (progressive)... When half the country already refers to gun owners as “gun-nuts”, it seems like a bad idea to take guns from “crazy people” when that term will quickly be redefined.
ERPOs are great because they're indefensible. They expose the anti-2A agenda for what it is; "I hate guns, nobody should have one, and I am a moral coward who will ruin the lives of millions of people so I can sleep at night knowing I did SOMETHING."
In short, insanity. These people are genuinely insane, anti-factual and irrational.
Whats the alternative? How could we have prevented the example deputy from being killed in this article?
Not have him be a cop.
Having now read the underlying details, stop having a policy of abducting people who don’t act dangerously, but do act outside of the way most people so.
Deputy Parrish was attempting to abduct a crazy veteran from his home at 5:30 in the morning, who had not made any threats (verbal or physical).
From his body cam (news article).
“He’s going through a manic episode,” Parrish is heard saying. “We’re going to take him for an M1.” (This is the code for an involuntary mental health evaluation)
Shortly after which the crazy vet defends himself.
Want to solve that? Stop seizing crazy (but not dangerous) people just because they’re crazy.
Ok, what about other cases then? If 5% of those subjected to the order would have used a gun, as mentioned in the article, how could they be identified from those who are just crazy?
I'd bet that well more than 5% of the drivers get traffic tickets at some time in their life (it's probably closer to 80%). On that basis, should we just issue traffic tickets randomly to licensed drivers and impound their cars? After all, they will probably endanger someone's life in the future (else, whatever motor vehicle code section they will likely be eventually charged under should be struck from the books as it doesn't contribute to public safety).
(Chicago already has a great infrastructure for impounding cars, perhaps they can offer courses to other municipalities who may not have developed the administrative and physical infrastructure for fast and profitable impounding.)
Institutionalize people before they get out of control.
Soma tablets for all!
Doesn't pot legalization already do that? Oh, wait, MANDATORY use of pot would do that.... next on the agenda. 🙂
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So much for that governor and all of his "Libertarian-leaning," eh?
Ruby Ridge and Waco were effectively red flag operations.
The question isn't when will these red flag orders be abused, it's how many innocent people will police and the government sacrifice in enforcing them.
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As usual, this law isn't intended to address anything... It is simply intended to be harassment directed at gun owners. Any sane person knows this will be abused like crazy. Angry ex-girlfriends will make MILLIONS of these requests over the years nationally as more states have such laws. Probably 38 of them will be legit.
I know tons of dumb broads who have filed restraining orders against ex-boyfriends for literally no reason. "I don't want to see him at the bar, so I got a restraining order! Now if he shows up and I'm already there he can't come in, and if he does I can call the cops!"
This will be that on steroids, because of the "cops showing up armed, coming to take guns from a known armed person, which will have the pigs shitting their pants up front and trigger happy" angle of this whole thing. There laws will be nothing but trouble, and cause more deaths than they ever prevent I bet...
Gee, tell me again why so many decent folks rail against having to register their firearms. Gee, I just don't understand...…. I mean, common sense and all that....
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