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MoveOn, Maddow Can't Move on From Mueller Worship: Reason Roundup

Plus: Ohio vice cop indicted for murder, FFC would police "the new kids online beat," and crony Federal Reserve appointments on the way?

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 4.5.2019 9:45 AM

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Robert Mueller–themed spins on classic rock songs soared through Times Square yesterday, as activists rallied for the federal government to "Release the Report" on the Trump-Russia investigation. Dispatches from the rally and others like it—organized by MoveOn and promoted by Rachel Maddow—totter somewhere between terrifying and hilarious, an overwrought and toxic mix of radical chic, boomer nostalgia, preening politicians, media malpractice, and Democratic fundraising.

But the carols. First, the carols, in all their ridiculous and impressively awful glory, like the essence of Bush-era liberal bloggers distilled down to platonic form and then performed en masse. Here are the lyrics of one, to the tune of Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive" (bonus points for casual stigmatizing both sex work and gay men):

It goes on.

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As journalist Michael Tracey points out, the Mueller report is scheduled to be released later this month (as it should be). William Barr suggested his redacted version would be ready in mid-April. The theatrics yesterday were basically just haggling over about 10 days (although from the tone and content of the speakers and organizers, attendees could be forgiven for not realizing that). "Virtually no one, including Trump himself, has advocated against release of the Report," tweeted Tracey, who took all of the above carol photos. "So what's the point of these rallies? Answer: to give expression to liberal paranoia, anxiety, and rage."

MoveOn's Twitter timeline is filled with pictures of rallies large and small across the country yesterday. (It's hard not to notice a distinctly older and less diverse crowd than at other recent rallies and marches around progressive causes.) A few more shots from the #ReleasetheReport rallies:

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But it wasn't just random (and well-intentioned, if woefully misled by media and politicians) people showing up. Lots of legislators took the opportunity to grandstand:

Holding back the Mueller report is a matter of national security. Congress must get an un-redacted version now. #ReleaseTheReport

— Richard Blumenthal (@SenBlumenthal) April 4, 2019

Enough with the delays.

Enough with the excuses.

Enough with the objections.

It's time for Attorney General Barr to #ReleaseTheReport and the underlying documents so that Congress and the American people can see it for themselves. https://t.co/aga1r7owTa

— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) April 5, 2019

FOLLOWUP

Ohio vice cop indicted for murder. Andrew Mitchell, the former Columbus police officer recently arrested on federal charges, has also been indicted by a grand jury in Ohio. Mitchell is charged with murder and voluntary manslaughter for the 2018 shooting of Donna Castleberry in the back of his police car.

FREE MINDS

Policing "the new kids online beat." The '90s are back, baby! At a "Truth About Tech Conference, sponsored by Common Sense," Sen. Ed Markey (D–Mass.) just unveiled "The Kids Internet Design and Safety (KIDS) Act," which aims to regulate online advertising and punish people for content that is "harmful" to children. Both children's television and the burgeoning internet saw a whole lot of a couple decades ago, as bipartisan techno-paranoia prevailed. Now that speech suppression, tech regulation, obscenity laws, and the like are fashionable again, I suppose this revival was only a matter of time. "The Federal Trade Commission [FTC] would be the cop on the new kids online beat," reports Broadcasting & Cable. More:

Common sense describes the bill as addressing "the disconnect between existing laws and today's reality to extend vital values and protections of the 1990 Children's Television Act to cover all media platforms and promote digital well-being."

Markey has been active on the children's media front. He has also proposed updating his Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA), has called on Facebook to stop paying teens for data, and has called on the FTC to investigate Google Play and in-app marketing to kids.

FREE MARKETS

Crony Federal Reserve appointments on the way? President Donald Trump is reportedly considering Heritage Foundation policy analyst Stephen Moore and "former Godfather's pizza boss and 2012 GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain" for open seats on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, as Brian Doherty noted at Reason yesterday. "Neither Cain nor Moore are technically trained academic economists, which alarms many, although…board members with more varied real-world experience might be useful voices in central bank decision-making," writes Doherty:

It is less lack of academic/technical training that's disturbing as the clear sense that both men are being appointed not for expertise but for team-playing loyalty to Trump. Cain has recently been running a pro-Trump political action committee, America Fighting Back; Moore was a former Trump economic adviser during his 2016 campaign.

Read more here.

QUICK HITS

  • The U.S. House yesterday passed a bill saying America must end support for Saudi-led war in Yemen. "The final vote was 247-175, with 16 Republicans joining 231 Democrats in approving the resolution," Joe Setyon reported last night. " Just one congressman voted present: the libertarian-leaning Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.)"

Since I've been asked several times why I voted present on the Yemen withdrawal joint resolution, here again is my explanation from the last time we voted on this: https://t.co/5rjP7ajr4S. Today's vote was on the nearly identical Senate version.

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 4, 2019

  • Always read Stephanie Slade on election polls.
  • New Mexico just decriminalized both small amounts of marijuana and "drug paraphernalia." According to the Drug Policy Alliance, it's the first state to get rid of paraphernalia penalties.
  • Who the heck even are these Democratic candidates anymore?
  • The issue of legalized prostitution is a matter for the Nevada legislature, not the courts, state lawyers argue in a response to suit seeking to shut down the state's legal brothels.
  • What Carr says:

Facebook issues a new and expanded call for the government to police your online speech, in interview with @GStephanopoulos.

It asks for your speech on "divisive" issues - including posts on immigration - to be regulated by the government as if it were a campaign ad.

No thanks. pic.twitter.com/9a6VhlKjbH

— Brendan Carr (@BrendanCarrFCC) April 4, 2019

  • The European Parliament will vote in May on whether it's illegal to call meatless products burgers. Some are proposing that what's commonly known as veggie burgers must henceforth be referred to as veggie discs.
  • The more you know:

16 USC §§718g, 707 & 50 CFR §91.24(b) make it a federal crime for judges in the Federal Duck Stamp contest to not spend at least two hours reviewing the artwork submitted by duck stamp contestants before the contest begins.

— A Crime a Day (@CrimeADay) April 5, 2019

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    ...as activists rallied for the federal government to "Release the Report" on the Trump-Russia investigation.

    Don't stop believin'.

    1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      "Knock, knock"

      "Who there?"

      Hello.

      "Knock, knock"

      "Who's there?"

      "Rhodes. WE WANT OUR FUCKEN DEGREE BACK RACHEL".

      1. Rich   6 years ago

        Sounds more like the School of Hard Knocks.

        1. Eddy   6 years ago

          Crusty is into the School of Hard Knockers.

          Gee, where is he nowadays?

          1. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

            One too many posts critical of Hil?

          2. Crusty JuggIer   6 years ago

            I've been working my way through to the final of a youth chess tournament in Seoul. I entered as an eight year-old boy named Heung Pork which means it was incredibly challenging to play against the older, more experienced children. In the quarterfinal game I beat a boy of fifteen in seven moves. He cried and his parents were upset. While I was browsing the seafood market yesterday morning, a very old lady came to me and showed me some sort of witchcraft or devilry that enabled me to project my visage onto the walls of faraway places at will. In the middle of the night perhaps you will awake to see my smiling face above your bed, watching you.

        2. Anomalous   6 years ago

          It's a Hard Knock Life.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    It's time for Attorney General Barr to #ReleaseTheReport and the underlying documents so that Congress and the American people can see it for themselves. https://t.co/aga1r7owTa
    ? Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) April 5, 2019

    Barr is doing them a favor, letting them extend this paranoia ride as long as possible.

    1. Sevo   6 years ago

      "Barr is doing them a favor, letting them extend this paranoia ride as long as possible."

      They don't need him. Once it's obvious there's nothing there, they'll demand a new investigation.
      Religions don't need facts.

      1. Rich   6 years ago

        An investigation into the redactions, at least.

      2. Ordinary Person   6 years ago

        From your perspective truth would look like conspiracy.

        1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

          That is a good way to describe Russia Fever Dream dead-enders

          1. Ordinary Person   6 years ago

            Release the report and we'll find out. You're the one with a fixed view.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

              Release the report and we'll find out. You're the one with a fixed view.

              An appropriate rejoinder from a shitlib who constantly moves the goalposts.

            2. Just Say'n   6 years ago

              My view is based in simple logic and the utter lack of evidence. Not to mention the fact that the biggest proponents of the Russia Fever Dreams hysteria were associated with the intelligence community and neocons (two groups that exist to lie). Your view is based on blind faith. You're not well. Seek help, in all seriousness

            3. Enjoy Every Sandwich   6 years ago

              And when that doesn't pan out your way, you'll just demand a new investigation.

            4. Sevo   6 years ago

              "From your perspective truth would look like conspiracy."

              On top of being a fucking ignoramus, you're a laugh riot.

            5. Jerryskids   6 years ago

              It's too late to release the report, Barr's already had time to doctor the report and remove all the parts that refer to Trump committing treason.

              What Barr should have done is immediately turned the report over to Nancy Pelosi, right after marking it "Eyes Only" and making her sign the cover letter stating that this report may contain classified and/or privileged and/or otherwise legally non-disclosable information and that failure to protect the contents of the report from anyone else's eyes but her own is a federal felony for which she will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

              A few minutes later, when the leaks start hitting the NYT, send over a half-dozen FBI agents to her office, arrest her, frog-march her off in handcuffs and hit her with a few dozen charges carrying a couple centuries in prison.

              1. Sevo   6 years ago

                OBL's got some real competition this morning...

    2. CatoTheChipper   6 years ago

      Barr isn't just letting them hold on to their collusion delusion. When Barr releases the redacted report as scheduled, you can bet that the #Resistance will claim that Barr only released the report because of their political pressure. That way they can congratulate themselves once again. Of course, the #Resistance will continue to protest regarding the redactions even if Barr is legally required to make such redactions.

  3. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   6 years ago

    As journalist Michael Tracey points out

    Ugh, he's such a hack. I've been calling him out for months as a #TrumpRussia denialist phony progressive. He's almost as bad as Glenn Greenwald, although I'd say GG is even more dangerous since he has like 10 times as many Twitter followers.

    1. a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf   6 years ago

      GG is even more dangerous since he has like 10 times as many Twitter followers

      Whoa! I had no idea the Kardashians were such existential threats!

    2. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

      This is good one.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    ...Sen. Ed Markey (D?Mass.) just unveiled "The Kids Internet Design and Safety (KIDS) Act," which aims to regulate online advertising and punish people for content that is "harmful" to children.

    Thank Gaia none of that is subjective.

    1. Rich   6 years ago

      Teletubbies hardest hit.

    2. Necron 99   6 years ago

      Anyone else hear this in their head when you read that drivel?

      Children, children,
      Future, future.
      Are you ready for the children, whoa whoa whoa!
      The future is a coming, hey hey hey!
      Children, children,
      Future, future
      Children, children,
      Children are the future!
      Kids!

    3. Longtobefree   6 years ago

      So when I am emperor, I will designate all sexual advocacy as harmful to children.
      I will designate all political speeches as harmful to children.
      I will designate all news programs as harmful to children.
      I will designate all references to any and all 'preferences' to 'compensate' for past actions of any and all groups as harmful to children.
      I will designate removal of any and all statues as harmful to children.
      I will designate public employee run schools as harmful to children.
      I will designate divorce as harmful to children.
      I will designate all social media as harmful to children.
      I will designate hollywood as harmful to children.
      I will designate abortion as VERY harmful to children.
      How does the KIDS act sound to you now?

  5. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Now that speech suppression, tech regulation, obscenity laws, and the like are fashionable again, I suppose this revival was only a matter of time.

    Why didn't the Framers think of the children?

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

      Why didn't the Framers think of the children?

      They were chattel, which is another good reason to pull down all their temples.

  6. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   6 years ago

    MacKenzie Bezos to Be Fourth-Richest Woman After Divorce

    Good for her. She earned it.

    1. Rich   6 years ago

      "I've spent enough on you to buy a battleship!"

      "And you've spent enough *in* me to float one!"

      1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

        I don't get it. Are we supposed to imagine millions of little sperm holding up a battleship?

        1. Rich   6 years ago

          "It's easy if you try."

        2. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

          *BUCS style obvious joke about how "this is my fanfiction I'm writing right now" or other obvious jokes*

    2. Idle Hands   6 years ago

      Look at that stock gap though between her and Bezos, more evidence of the patriarchy in this country. She was there from the begining, equal work for equal wage I always say.

      1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        That explains why it's called Mackenzie Bezo's company.

      2. Trollificus   6 years ago

        Hey, gotta put the weasel word in there..."equivalent work"."substantially similar work". The whole delusion of "The Gender Wage Gap" relies entirely on pretending two things are the same that are not the same.

        So I guess they also use lies and illogic to prop it up. "Our THREE main weapons are..."

        1. Trollificus   6 years ago

          Any way, by their (specious) argument, he built the huge selling site by years of hard work, innovation, aggressiveness and risk-taking. She took the dick. So..."substantially similar"...

    3. Eddy   6 years ago

      Didn't Bezos run off with some skank?

      1. Sevo   6 years ago

        Haven't really followed it, but it seems he managed to get on camera in a manner guaranteed to piss off his former wife.

        1. John   6 years ago

          He hooked up with some third rate newsbabe who isn't even as hot as his wife. That woman cost him $35 billion. The most expensive piece of ass since Cleopatra got Mark Antony killed. And without question the most overpriced one in history

          1. Sevo   6 years ago

            Prolly looked good on camera...

    4. Ecoli   6 years ago

      I agree. She did earn it. She was an integral part of Amazon for years.

      Besides that, Jeff Bezos is a moron for chasing that skank. He could afford the best tail in the world and he got infatuated with a skank. What is the world coming to?

      1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        Amazon is likely coming to a peak.

        The Lefties have not turned on Bezos yet but when they do, Amazon will go straight into the toilet.

        The anti-Amazon HQ 2 in NY and VA are signs of whats coming from the Lefties.

        Bezos hitched his wagon to the Lefties and he did well while it lasted. I doubt Amazon will survive without Lefty support. Too many rural America Walmart shoppers that wont use Amazon much.

        1. Ecoli   6 years ago

          On this I have to disagree. Amazon is just too convenient to fail. I like Walmart, and shop there, but Amazon is my go-to place when shopping. I wish it weren't so because I think Bezos is a douche-bag, especially after he tossed out his perfectly serviceable wife for a two-bit ho.

          1. Tu­lpa AKA "feeling smug"   6 years ago

            Wal Mart is doing everything Amazon is doing now.

            1. Ecoli   6 years ago

              Walmart is late to the game, and they don't do e-commerce as well as Amazon.

              Amazon has a strangle hold on on-line shopping.

              Sad. But true.

              1. Trollificus   6 years ago

                And Walmart can't really beat them on price for the online-purchase-home-delivery market. Amazon has some brutal "cost saving procedures" and "enhanced process efficiencies" built in to their warehousing/distribution model.

                I haven't liked Bezos since they patented "one click". Jebus. Also patented "using a computer that has been turned on for shopping" and "shopping while awake". Ass.

  7. Conchfritters   6 years ago

    Herman Cain would make a good choice - he doesn't need to know where Uzbekistan-stan is in order to be a Fed Governor.

    1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

      The more the Fed is exposed as a joke- the better. As if working for Government Sachs is somehow better than having a pizza salesman on the board

      1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

        Plus I want to hear about his 9-9-9 plan for the Fed

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

          9-9-9? Are you out of your mind?

          1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

            Off topic, but you were right about the Amash vote yesterday. I was a little too critical considering that how he voted made no difference to the final passage of the legislation. If he had a principled opposition to parts of the legislation that was a good opportunity to make that opposition known.

            1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

              Thanks, man. I appreciate that. You are good people.

            2. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

              This is why I like you, Just Say'n. You can be awfully cantankerous at times, but you seem to be operating from a point of genuine inquiry and questioning.

      2. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

        As long as that pizza salesman doesn't push pineapples on pizza.

        Truly abhorrent. There oughta be an amendment.

        1. Eddy   6 years ago

          Godfather's was the pizza you can't refuse.

          Federal reserve notes are the currency you can't refuse.

          1. Conchfritters   6 years ago

            Their taco pizza is quite good.

        2. Colossal Douchebag   6 years ago

          Members of the Church Of The Hawaiian Pizza do not seek your blessing.

          1. Trollificus   6 years ago

            REAL authentic Hawaiian Pizza has pineapples and SPAM.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    It is less lack of academic/technical training that's disturbing as the clear sense that both men are being appointed not for expertise but for team-playing loyalty to Trump.

    The country is sharply divided; why shouldn't its government be, too? Deep staters versus loyalists. May the better partisan overlords win!

    1. Eddy   6 years ago

      Don't blame me, I voted for Swamp Kodos!

  9. Nardz   6 years ago

    Does anyone else think it's weird that a bunch of "concerned citizens" showed up in groups to demonstrate about Congress getting a report?
    The theater billing is weird.
    Holding up placards that spell "release the full report to Congress now" is weird.

    It's almost as if someone were putting on a really, really stupid play.
    Yet these are "adults" rather than high school kids reading the script.

    1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

      It's funny to contemplate the ridiculous idea that these people have more mental capacity than the average high schooler. My son is in high school and I know a lot of kids with more smarts and maturity than just about any of these wack job "progressives".

      Reading from scripts is all they ever do.

    2. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

      Sometimes I yearn for a true gonna catastrophy just so those kinds of people have to worry about securing food and water to live, rather than find ways to occupy a few hours every day. How many of them are trust fund babies?

    3. Colossal Douchebag   6 years ago

      It's almost as if someone were putting on a really, really stupid play.

      Told by an idiot? Full of sound and fury? Signifying nothing?

      1. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

        All the world is a really, really stupid stage.

    4. Chuckles the Snarky Piggy   6 years ago

      MoveOn (formerly known as MoveOn.org) is an American progressive public policy advocacy group and political action committee.[2] Formed in 1998 in response to the impeachment of President Bill Clinton

      Beyond stupid into lunacy. A group formed specifically to tell people to move on from the Clinton impeachment is unable to let go of conspiracy theories about a different president.

      It's like rain on their wedding day...

      1. John   6 years ago

        Move on spent the years 01 to 04 claiming Gore was robbed of the presidency. The irony of their name was completely lost on them.

      2. Trollificus   6 years ago

        "unable to let go of contributions and funding from sympathetic 'commies with money'" more like.

    5. Sevo   6 years ago

      Nardz|4.5.19 @ 9:55AM|#
      "...The theater billing is weird..."

      That's some Oakland idiot famous for putting lefty whines on his marquee.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Since I've been asked several times why I voted present...

    Ultimately worked well for Obama the legislator.

  11. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   6 years ago

    More bad economic news.

    Samsung Profit Drops Most in Four Years as Chip Prices Slump

    Intel downgraded by Wells Fargo on weak 2019 demand and increased AMD competition

    #DrumpfRecession
    #UnbanPalinsButtplug

    1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

      Hey socky, having AMD competitive with Intel is one of the best thing to happen in the tech sphere in a long time. So it's a positive.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

        Though in the long run it's bad for us all as a competitive AMD was explicitly mentioned in Revelations as a sign of the apocalypse.

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

          A Modest Destiny?

        2. Anomalous   6 years ago

          AMD is the AntiChip.

        3. $park? is the Worst   6 years ago

          I think we're safe until Cyrix comes back with the world's first quantum chip.

          1. Trollificus   6 years ago

            "The Quantium I!! It's already solving problems you don't yet know you have!!"

  12. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Who the heck even are these Democratic candidates anymore?

    Not Trump.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    The issue of legalized prostitution is a matter for the Nevada legislature, not the courts...

    AND CERTAINLY NOT THE INDIVIDUAL.

  14. Rich   6 years ago

    Holding back the Mueller report is a matter of national security.

    OK, Blumenthal. Then surely you'll help push for Auditing the Fed.

  15. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

    Funniest thing Tony's said in a long time:

    "How many women would you say have "charisma"? It's a sexist concept."

    ----Tony

    http://reason.com/blog/2019/04.....nt_7746164

    1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      Tony walks too much on the sunshine.

      1. Rich   6 years ago

        He *may* be thinking "charisma" is the name of a woman.

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

          It is.

          1. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

            Wood.

            1. Colossal Douchebag   6 years ago

              ISWYDT

            2. Ecoli   6 years ago

              #metoo

  16. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

    Protestors: Release the report!

    Mr. Burns: Release the hounds.

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      Crusty: release the chinchillas!

      1. Anomalous   6 years ago

        Crusty is all about the release.

    2. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      Tony: Release the Black Shirts on non-Lefties!

  17. colorblindkid   6 years ago

    How many young progressives today even know that Move On was founded, and names, entirely on the premise that the country should ignore the rape and sexual harassment accusations against Bill Clinton? Like, it is so farcical it is hilarious, but the media and press at large pretend like it's totally normal and this all isn't one big fucking joke.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

      And, they received their start up funds [$50K] directly from none other than George Soros for this very purpose.

    2. Michael Ejercito   6 years ago

      You are right about that.

      this legal ethicist wrote about the consequences of the success of that defense.

      http://ethicsalarms.com/2012/0.....ent-476699

      I'd put it this way: The way liberals rallied to excuse and enable Clinton set the cause of creating a cultural consensus against sexual harassment back decades, and that led to more harassers, bold predators, and abused women.

      I said so at the time. I hope Bill's hypocritical feminist supporters are proud, because this was predictable, as well as disgusting.

      - Jack Marshall

  18. Rich   6 years ago

    The European Parliament will vote in May on whether it's illegal to call meatless products burgers. Some are proposing that what's commonly known as veggie burgers must henceforth be referred to as veggie discs.

    They should vote on whether it's illegal to call vegetables "veggies". Are we three years old?

    1. $park? is the Worst   6 years ago

      Rounded vegetable meal product patties

      Let's make sure nobody has a desire to eat one.

      1. Rich   6 years ago

        Perhaps the European Parliament will rename them "Theresas".

      2. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

        I'd rather have brisket.

      3. mad.casual   6 years ago

        Rounded vegetable meal product patties

        Biodegradable puck.

      4. Ska   6 years ago

        Beyond burger and impossible burger are actually pretty tasty. There, I fucking said it.

    2. Eddy   6 years ago

      Unpatriotic vegetable matter.

    3. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

      The Brits did make it illegal to call Pringles potato chips (crisps), because they're only about 27% potatoes. That one I can see.

      How do they feel about Turkey burgers? Lamburger?

      1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

        Europe does this all the time. They are all in for using the government to aid various food industries. Just look at all the different copyrights they enforce for various cheeses and Champagne. Things like that.

        1. Conchfritters   6 years ago

          Parmesan cheese from Wisconsin is the best.

          1. Jerryskids   6 years ago

            Illinois has a decent Champaign.

            1. Heedless   6 years ago

              It's pronounced "cham-pag-en."

  19. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Facebook issues a new and expanded call for the government to police your online speech, in interview with @GStephanopoulos.

    I don't suppose George bothered to bring up the very prevalent and natural criticism of what Zuckerberg is doing, that it could be seen as an attempt at regulatory capture to restrict competition. I would like to hear some actual journalist try to get a response to that.

    1. colorblindkid   6 years ago

      I don't suppose ABC puts "Bill Clinton's Campaign and Communications Director" underneath Georgie's name whenever on screen either. He was basically the Kelly Anne Conway of the Clinton administration. It was his job to lie and make all of the sexual harrassment and rape accusations against Clinton go away.

      The fact that he is considered a serious journalist and nobody questions this is a fucking embarrassment.

      1. CatoTheChipper   6 years ago

        That it ever happened that Georgie was considered a serious journalist after 1993 should be an embarrassment.

        However, American MSM journalists are incapable of embarrassment, utterly incapable of embarrassment.

        1. colorblindkid   6 years ago

          The recent rehabilitation of Dan Rather's career by the press at large, without even addressing his past, is one of the most absurd thing I have ever seen in my life. They really are the enemy of the people, but then again so are Democrats and Republicans and Trump. I'm not singling them out. Journalists are just equally sinister and terrible for this country as politicians are now, because they all act like poltiicians.

        2. Cyto   6 years ago

          Worse than all of that, the over-the-top dishonest mouthpiece for Clinton and hard-core DNC shill has been one of the best network journalists over the last 20 years.

          Just let that marinate for a moment.

    2. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

      I don't suppose George bothered to bring up the very prevalent and natural criticism of what Zuckerberg is doing, that it could be seen as an attempt at regulatory capture to restrict competition.

      I doubt he even grasps the concept.

  20. Rich   6 years ago

    a federal crime for judges in the Federal Duck Stamp contest to not spend at least two hours reviewing the artwork

    "Quack 'em up!"

    1. a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf   6 years ago

      You left out the weird part:

      16 USC ??718g, 707 & 50 CFR ?91.24(b) make it a federal crime for judges in the Federal Duck Stamp contest to not spend at least two hours reviewing the artwork submitted by duck stamp contestants before the contest begins.

      I would think the crime would be reviewing the artwork before, not after. Smacks of an inside job.

      1. Eddy   6 years ago

        Let's play duck-duck-gate!

      2. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

        The Federal Duck Stamp is one of those programs that has done a lot of good for conservation. And it's basically a user fee, so there is no forced participation. I know, I know, it would be better to let the market handle this, but if it's what we got right now, it's not bad.

  21. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

    It becomes clearer as time goes on that the Democrat alternative to talking about the Mueller report is discussing the issues--and the issues are a loser for Democrats.

    Closed primaries will likely be won by the Democrat who can be the most extreme on the Green New Deal, Medicare for All, and reparations for slavery. Those issues are losers in general election.

    Want to see how those issues are playing in swing states? The latest data point is from a few days ago, when a conservative beat a liberal in Wisconsin in an election to the Wisconsin state supreme court.

    http://madison.com/wsj/news/lo.....30fb0.html

    Smart people know that the Democrats can't win on the issues and tearing each other apart over hair sniffing. That's why they want to drag out the Mueller probe. That's why they're going after Trump's inauguration expenses. They can only win on the issues if they somehow make Trump the issue.

    1. CatoTheChipper   6 years ago

      Don't forget about #MeToo, "gun safety", regulation of the Internet, and Russia! Russia! Russia!

    2. Cyto   6 years ago

      Not just a conservative. An apparently quite fringe conservative. If you can't beat that, in this fever-pitch climate? ... you ain't got nuthin'

      1. John   6 years ago

        And beat it in a blue leaning swing state no less. It is not like this was Mississippi or something.

    3. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      Wait until Census 2020 results come in too. Blue states like Commifornia will be losing House seats to Red states like Georgia.

      More Electoral College votes for Red states in 2024? Uh-oh.

  22. Rich   6 years ago

    Google to pull plug on AI ethics council

    The council had run into controversy over two of its members

    , IBM's Watson and the infamous Stuxnet worm.

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      The Vox report said Google employees had signed a petition calling for the removal of one of the members over comments about transsexual people, and added that the inclusion of a drone company executive had raised debate over use of Google's AI for military applications.

      I just know some AI somewhere is behind this.

      1. Chuckles the Snarky Piggy   6 years ago

        I just know some AI somewhere is behind this.

        The politicians devolve the Presidency into a steaming pile of garbage and eventually the military has no choice but to put Skynet in charge of the missile systems.

      2. John   6 years ago

        Those same employees returned to their jobs helping the Chinese police state capture dissidents and censor the internet after signing the letter

  23. What's that smell?   6 years ago

    It totally baffles me that these protest bots cannot or will not see that most commoners, those outside their sphere, see them as fools, tools, and puppets. Are they not aware that they are turning people away and sending them to Trump's camp? Or is that the endgame? Are the savvy enough to want a 2nd Trump term to continue the orchestrated outrage to drum up more seats in congress and the Holy Grail of increased, endless fundraising.?

    1. Nardz   6 years ago

      Our ruling caste is very, very, very incompetent

      1. Cyto   6 years ago

        As is possibly evidenced by the threats to completely close the border with Mexico to stop the flow of drugs... I cannot think of many responses to drugs that could be classified as more incompetent that the path we have chosen so far, but this one is a good candidate.

    2. FreeRadical   6 years ago

      You are absolutely right.

      All of this mindless hysteria from these people have driven me to the previously unthinkable position of voting for Trump.

      It's just too entertaining to pass up.

  24. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    16 USC ??718g, 707 & 50 CFR ?91.24(b) make it a federal crime for judges in the Federal Duck Stamp contest to not spend at least two hours reviewing the artwork submitted by duck stamp contestants before the contest begins.
    ? A Crime a Day (@CrimeADay) April 5, 2019

    The defense? Absence of Mallard.

    1. juris imprudent   6 years ago

      You should just goose step right on out of here.

    2. Anomalous   6 years ago

      They would be running afowl of the law.

    3. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

      You quack me up.

    4. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      No harm, no fowl?

    5. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

      I say you're all birds of a feather

    6. Bender B. Rodriguez   6 years ago

      They just keep pecking away at our liberties.

  25. Just Say'n   6 years ago

    I was a little too critical of Amash when I saw how he voted, but it wasn't as if his vote would have changed the results. If the guy wants to stand on principle when his vote doesn't matter for final passage fair enough. He's still better than the vast majority of people in Congress

  26. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Some are proposing that what's commonly known as veggie burgers must henceforth be referred to as veggie discs.

    Why won't they finally outlaw vegetables altogether? Vile weeds.

  27. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   6 years ago

    Always read Stephanie Slade on election polls.

    Just please don't let her write about abortion access ever again. Can't believe Reason lets someone work here who literally wants to turn this country into The Handmaid's Tale.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

      I think you need to start doing some reading on Catholics. You'll quickly find that we are not to be trusted.

      I recommend starting your reading here.

  28. Tony   6 years ago

    I don't understand why Congress isn't entitled to every letter of the report. At least the leadership. They are not unaccustomed to handling sensitive information.

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   6 years ago

      The Republicans are panicking because they know Mueller uncovered major bombshell revelations. I'm confident Democrats will win this battle and eventually #Impeach.

      The walls are closing in.

      1. CatoTheChipper   6 years ago

        The Mueller report isn't the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.

        Its bombshells will eventually explode when they are revealed. Rachel Maddow and Rep. Schiff have said this over and over again.. Actually, we already know all we need to know about this: Trump announced his fealty to the Russians when he publicly begged Putin to release Hillary's e-mails. It's just a matter of time before all is made clear. The deplorable, illiterate, toothless, smelly, MAGA-hat-wearing racists in the Trump camp will deny what the Mueller report will demonstrate to be plainly true as much then as now, but we all know that they are tools of Putin.

        1. Sevo   6 years ago

          Not quite OBL-level, but a damned good effort!

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

            As you noted earlier, he [OBL] does have some competition today

    2. Just Say'n   6 years ago

      Because spreading innuendo from a grand jury report is not only illegal, but also not the job of Congress (despite what Adam Schiff thinks).

      Sorry that your insanity has been exposed. Get treatment

      1. Cyto   6 years ago

        So, this entire thing started with a faked up "opposition research" file from the Clinton campaign that didn't have any takers, even in a press that was fully in the tank for her campaign. So the Obama administration used that information to begin wire-tapping and spying on the Trump campaign. And they took the information from those wiretaps, illegally "Unmasked" Americans who were not supposed to be targeted and spread that classified information around the government specifically so it could be leaked to start an investigation designed to lead to impeachment.

        I'll remind everyone that during the Kavanaugh hearings the Senate Democrats on the committee treated sensitive documents as sacrosanct. Feinstein did not leak the private letters sent to her in order to force public revelations.

        ?? she passed them off to Chuck Schumer and let his office do it. And in full view of the press, as Savannah Guthrie was at the midnight meeting at Schumer's NYC pad where the entire plan went down, along with other DNC mucky-mucks and other members of the press. Funny how that never got any play on the network news... And funny how NBC kept pretending that nobody had any idea where the leaks came from.

        So yeah... they are well experienced in handling information, and they have well developed channels for that purpose.

      2. Cyto   6 years ago

        So, this entire thing started with a faked up "opposition research" file from the Clinton campaign that didn't have any takers, even in a press that was fully in the tank for her campaign. So the Obama administration used that information to begin wire-tapping and spying on the Trump campaign. And they took the information from those wiretaps, illegally "Unmasked" Americans who were not supposed to be targeted and spread that classified information around the government specifically so it could be leaked to start an investigation designed to lead to impeachment.

        I'll remind everyone that during the Kavanaugh hearings the Senate Democrats on the committee treated sensitive documents as sacrosanct. Feinstein did not leak the private letters sent to her in order to force public revelations.

        ?? she passed them off to Chuck Schumer and let his office do it. And in full view of the press, as Savannah Guthrie was at the midnight meeting at Schumer's NYC pad where the entire plan went down, along with other DNC mucky-mucks and other members of the press. Funny how that never got any play on the network news... And funny how NBC kept pretending that nobody had any idea where the leaks came from.

        So yeah... they are well experienced in handling information, and they have well developed channels for that purpose.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

          Best synopsis I've read on the matter Cyto, thanks.

      3. Tony   6 years ago

        But it's the job of the Attorney General?

        The first leaks we get from the Mueller people is that they're pissed off about how the report has been characterized.

        I don't care how much you suck Trump's dick, shouldn't you be for more transparency rather than less?

        1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

          I'm totally in favor of more transparency. I would like to see every word of the report released. Trump has said as much too.

          However, there may be legitimate national security reasons to redact portions. But I know that "national security" can be a cover for shenanigans.

          So I think that an unredacted version should be supplied to at least members with security clearances.

          1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

            Screw national security (that's always a lie anyways). I don't think we should be trafficking in grand jury reports. As much of the report as possible should be released, but no more wild goose chases about a conspiracy theory that doesn't even make sense

            1. Tony   6 years ago

              After Hillary's emails, we stop this crap!

              1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

                Sorry you are butt hurt. Maybe you should grow-up?

                1. Tony   6 years ago

                  Maybe you should care at least as much about your current president being extremely corrupt as you do about a non-president being not very corrupt.

                  1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

                    One of the funniest things you've said Tony!

                    1. Cyto   6 years ago

                      Yeah, do we have any indications of Trump (the president) being corrupt?

                      I don't think he's been plugged in or competent enough to be corrupt or corrupted.

                      Heck, how could you enter into some corrupt deal with the guy? He is by far the most unpredictable national figure of my lifetime. He just inked a trade deal with Mexico, and he's threatening tariffs and actually closing the border. You'd have to be insane to sign up for some shady dealings with him.

                    2. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

                      Corrupt is a vague catchall. There is a continuous back off on criticism. Generalizing the complaints to make them vaguer and vaguer. Corrupt is a good extreme of this.

              2. Sevo   6 years ago

                "After Hillary's emails, we stop this crap!"

                Shithead here is stupid enough to continually refer to that hag's most obviously illegal actions as if you proves something other than she managed to skate on proven crimes that would have landed nearly anyone else in the slammer.
                If that isn't proof of some really low-level IQ, I don't know what would be.
                Fuck off, you pathetic piece of shit.

          2. Cyto   6 years ago

            Beyond "national security considerations", do we really need to see some dirt they dredged up to try to pressure some functionary into "rolling over" (or lying) and giving up Trump? With 400 witnesses before the grand jury, there is bound to be a bunch of stuff about some dude having an affair, or some secretary who bought herself a couple of nice things on the company dime... whatever.

            They were in full-on process-crime extortion mode.

            Tossing all of that into the frenzy that is the DNC "get Trump" machine would be pretty irresponsible.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

          The first leaks we get from the Mueller people is that they're pissed off about how the report has been characterized.

          Yeah? Who, exactly? The only thing that's come out is "some people" are claiming that the summary doesn't match up.

          The investigation is over. It's done. They have nothing to lose by putting their name out there, because they know that guys like Schiff are going to run cover for them and coach them about what to say.

          If that report had any basis in fact, the people making the claim would have gone on the record. The fact they didn't is a much stronger indicator that the report does not, in fact, come to a completely different conclusion than Barr's summary.

          1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

            It was another report of "unknown sources with knowledge about grumblings from Mueller's team". The same shotty journalism that ruined Tony's critical thinking skills. The corporate press can't get passed the fact that they behaved terribly during this whole episode.

            Considering that Mueller publicly shot down some media reports during the investigation (the infamous Buzzfeed bombshell that wasn't), if he stated opposition to Barr's behavior then I think that would be newsworthy.

            If we want to go down the "obstruction of justice" without an underlying crime route then I think it's time to start admitting that half of the country had their brain broken by Trump's election.

          2. Tony   6 years ago

            I see words but all I hear is that particular slurping sound that comes from orally pleasuring Donald Trump.

            I'm so happy you're satisfied with Barr's two sentence fragment quotes of the 400 page report. I'll chalk it up to libertarians not caring about being informed citizens because they don't believe in the system anyway.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

              I'm so happy you're satisfied with Barr's two sentence fragment quotes of the 400 page report.

              Anyone who actually believes that the report will have sufficient information to arrive at a conclusion that is completely different from the summary is straight-up retarded.

              You're not retarded, so I'm presuming this is just you being dishonest out of partisan desperation.

              1. Tony   6 years ago

                Are the people who wrote the report retarded? Because they seem to have an issue with the Barr whitewash.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

                  Now you're just deflecting. And if they were that pissed about it, they should have no problem putting their name on the record as whistleblowers. Otherwise, they're a bunch of fucking cowards.

        3. BYODB   6 years ago

          Unnamed leaks titled 'some members' of the team. Very convincing.

          1. Tony   6 years ago

            Easy way to clear it all up. Since you are interested in shielding the president from political harm and believe that the report doesn't cause any of that, we're both on the same page about releasing it as fully as possible.

            1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

              Poor Tony. He still thinks Trump will not serve 8 years as President.

            2. BYODB   6 years ago

              Since Mueller himself is determining the redactions, and the reports release date is already known, I can't say what is possessing you shit yourself in public.

              If you think Mueller is trying to cover up his own report, well, he's also the one who wrote the damn thing. If that's something you believe, than the fix was in as soon as Mueller was appointed.

              It's a bit late to whine about that now after you've been defending the guy for, what, two years now?

        4. Nardz   6 years ago

          "The first leaks we get from the Mueller people is that they're pissed off about how the report has been characterized."

          According to anonymous friends of anonymous friends of anonymous Mueller people

    3. FreeRadical   6 years ago

      Yup. Any amount of redaction is all you need to keep your head exploding forever. So fun for the rest of us.

      1. Tony   6 years ago

        Trolling the libtards is not a national political agenda.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

          Maybe they shouldn't treat politics like a religion, then.

        2. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

          Its so easy and fun.

          I mean you Lefties are pretty stupid.

          Lefties used to be able to control information before the internet but all the Lefty lies get exposed and recorded for future throwing in your face.

          You people really messed up in America. You should have controlled the internet from Day 1. There is just too much factual history and records of Lefty misdeeds to try and sweep under the carpet.

          1. Tony   6 years ago

            You wouldn't know a fact if one showed up on your cousin's tits.

            1. BYODB   6 years ago

              It's really a pretty racist thing to say such mean things about Pakistani Muslims. After all, fucking cousins is right there in their religion.

            2. 0x1000   6 years ago

              This is a lot like watching retarded midgets fight over an empty Twinkie box, but I lol'd.

    4. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      ""I don't understand why Congress isn't entitled to every letter of the report.""

      Because the rules regarding the Mueller appointments says the report will be delivered to the AG, not Congress. Rules that the dems have known were in place for the last two years and never complained about it.

      People who know the rules, then only complain about them when they don't get their way are behaving like children.

      1. Tony   6 years ago

        Yeah, every time the rules fuck over a Democrat, we reform them so as not to fuck over the next guy who's inevitably a Republican. How nice for them.

        1. Cyto   6 years ago

          Yeah, they are uniquely stupid in that regard.

          "We won't negotiate on our judicial nominees! We invoke the Nuclear Option! ? ooops.

          "elections have consequences!!" Oops.

          "I have a pen and a phone!!" Oooops.

          "Sex is a private matter! Nobody should pay attention to such things, even if there are rape allegations" (admittedly it has only cost them one time, but wow, did it ever boomerang, in spades!)

          It seems like we swapped out a functional government for a bunch of elementary school playground knuckleheads sometime between the end of the Clinton-Gingrich era in 1999 and the 2000 election. It was coming unglued before then, but it was operating on inertia from the old-timers. Now? A bunch of finger-pointing babies who don't have a thought in their heads.

        2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

          ""Yeah, every time the rules fuck over a Democrat""

          So why wait for two years to complain?

        3. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

          ""Yeah, every time the rules fuck over a Democrat""

          So why wait for two years to complain?

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

        Similarly, Hillary knew the rules for the election would count the Electoral College, not the popular vote. Yet she wanted to complain about the EC.

        Sore losers complain about rules after the face.

        1. Tony   6 years ago

          And partisan goosesteppers change the subject to the "rules" when the subject is principle.

          1. Cyto   6 years ago

            And the Electoral College is the principle.

            It exists for a reason.

            Maybe you want to live in a world where our leaders are chosen only by the people living in the 5-10 most populous cities in the nation, but most of the rest of the country would prefer to have a say in how their country is governed as well.

            1. Cyto   6 years ago

              Actually, taking a look at it, the top 4 most populous metropolitan areas gets you past 50 million people. So probably only the top 5 would do it.

            2. Cyto   6 years ago

              Actually, taking a look at it, the top 4 most populous metropolitan areas gets you past 50 million people. So probably only the top 5 would do it.

            3. Cyto   6 years ago

              Actually, taking a look at it, the top 4 most populous metropolitan areas gets you past 50 million people. So probably only the top 5 would do it.

            4. Tony   6 years ago

              It exists, but not for any good reason.

              1. Sevo   6 years ago

                "It exists, but not for any good reason."

                As if the opinion of some adolescent whiner were worth anything.
                Fuck off.

              2. FreeRadical   6 years ago

                Cyto just gave you a compelling reason. Do you care to address it?

                I suspect not, because your hate and intolerance of "those people" who are below your station would come shining through. In your mind, and most progressives, those people are only fit to be ruled by your benevolent hand.

            5. Tony   6 years ago

              Instead we get a system where the dumbest dumbfucks are made president against the popular will because rural voters get 100 times the representation as urban voters. What a fantastic system.

              1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

                Wow Tony! I didn't actually think you would prove my point so resoundedly!

          2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

            ""And partisan goosesteppers change the subject to the "rules" when the subject is principle.""

            Who's arguing principles? Definitely not you.

            You believe in principals, not principles. You own posts show that to be true.

          3. Tu­lpa AKA "feeling smug"   6 years ago

            "I want to break the law to expose lawbreaking" is Tony's loser of an argument. And he likes making it.

    5. colorblindkid   6 years ago

      You can say the same thing about all of the information that led up to the investigation and the Steele Dossier. It's all political theater, and nobody actually cares about the truth, particularly not journalists.

      1. Tony   6 years ago

        No, particularly not Trump supporters. The rest of us do.

        Your problem is you don't understand that you've chosen a tribe because you were instructed to and you can't think for yourself. We've chosen a tribe because they're objectively better.

        1. a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf   6 years ago

          Nice what you imply, that Trump supporters can't think for themselves because they chose Trump, while you can think for yourself because you chose a better tribe.

          Some of us have not chosen any tribe because we literally do think for ourselves.

          1. Nardz   6 years ago

            Tony provides us a wonderful illustration of the progressive (hive) mind.

            I, for one, am grateful

            1. Tu­lpa AKA "feeling smug"   6 years ago

              He's been full on parody for a while

        2. colorblindkid   6 years ago

          The Obama and Hillary personality cults are as strong as Trump's. At least I understand Obama's. The personality cult around Hillary Clinton is a fucking mystery.

        3. Chuckles the Snarky Piggy   6 years ago

          Objectively better? Bernie, the 2nd place democrat finisher in the last election, is a fucking socialist. Socialist governments killed 200 million of their own citizens in the 20th century.

          Objectively better? You need to pull your head out of your ass. I would hate to see you starve to death on the free-range organic farm they send you to when they collectivize. Plus, all those dead bodies are going to release methane, which is going to ruin their glorious plans for a new ice age.

        4. Ecoli   6 years ago

          Your tribe is ruled by a horrible hag. Hillary is, and was, objectively worse.

          Politic better in the future, or kneel before Trump.

    6. bevis the lumberjack   6 years ago

      "I don't understand why Congress isn't entitled to every letter of the report".

      By law, you can't release testimony from a grand jury session. So to give them everything would be a violation of the law.

      1. Tony   6 years ago

        You can if a judge says so, mostly for the purposes of public interest.

        To what extent the president of the US is corrupt is a question the public might be interested in.

        1. bevis the lumberjack   6 years ago

          But no judge has said so, and as far as I know nobody has asked a judge to say so.

          So Barr has to redact at least the grand jury stuff. That in itself makes the demonstrations in this article and the posturing among Congresspersons look goofy. At least you can excuse the protestors for being idiots who don't understand the law. The people in Congress should theoretically know better.

          Is there a concern that Barr could over-redact using the national security or ongoing investigation excuse? Sure. That's happened something like a bazillion million times in administrations run by both tribes. Seems to me that you can't criticize Barr for that until you see what he redacts. But I'm trying to be rational and fair, unlike the tribalists?...

        2. Tu­lpa AKA "feeling smug"   6 years ago

          Then get a judge to say so, and until then, stop acting like such a bitch.

  29. FreeRadical   6 years ago

    I worked at a Godfather's all through high school. Mmm, I haven't has Godfather's "pizza" in forever.

    All the pot we smoked at work sure made it delicious!

    1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

      Better than Cici's at least. Far worse pizza buffet than Peter Piper Pizza though. Wish we had PPP in Colorado...

  30. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

    The EU wants the UK to stay in the EU. I suspect they'll keep granting extensions so long as the UK keeps asking for them.

    May all but promised to step down if her last ditch effort to get parliament to approve the exit deal with the EU wasn't approved. If she's reneging on that promise, the question is how long they'll go before the party replaces her. Regardless of whether she's reneging, she might as well call another parliamentary election if she can. I doubt the Tories will win enough seats to overcome the resistance of the MPs from Ulster, but if she won't be the PM anyway, then that's the alternative to a hard Brexit.

    She should stop asking for extensions and just take the hard Brexit at this point. The EU doesn't want a hard Brexit either. If they got one, they'd be highly motivated to work on the worst problems as quickly as possible. Meanwhile, the MPs she needs to support a soft Brexit won't flip until the only alternative to her plan is a hard Brexit. May needs to stop asking for extensions already. It's just making things worse.

    1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

      The EU wants to make an example out of the UK to dissuade other countries from following suit. Brussels has never cared about the democratic will ever since their constitution was voted down in a French referendum.

      1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

        "The EU wants to make an example out of the UK to dissuade other countries from following suit."

        I think that's true to a certain extent, but the problem is that the UK is such a big fish, they aren't the ones you'd want to make an example of--they're the ones you want to scare by making an example of someone else.

        If we were talking about a smaller country, things would be different. The EU might not mind as much if a problem country like Italy or Greece wanted to leave. They want to keep the UK in the EU. And I still think that's what they're trying to do.

        1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

          I don't know about that. Italy or Greece leaving the EU would likely be even messier considering that they both use the euro, unlike the UK. Also, Italy is the fourth largest economy in the EU (UK being the second largest) so I doubt Brussels would put up less of a fight if they left.

          1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

            See my comment below.

            Without Greece and Italy's misbehavior, the Eurozone crisis wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad, and nothing has changed since then to stop Italy, in particular, from doing the same thing again in the future.

            If Italy can overspend in the future without suffering the effects of inflation like they would if other Eurozone countries weren't picking up the slack, then why wouldn't they do that--again?

            The UK isn't a bad actor that way. The UK is a strong economy.

            Losing Italy would be a long term plus for the Eurozone, even if there were some short term problems. Losing the UK is a long term negative for the EU, and there isn't anything good about it for the EU in the short term either.

            If you want to make an example of somebody, make it somebody who doesn't represent a long term fundamental threat to the Euro. The next time the Chancellor of Germany wants to bail out a country like Greece or Italy, the German people may want to exit the EU.

            1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

              "If you want to make an example of somebody, make it somebody who doesn't represent[] a long term fundamental threat to the Euro [like Italy]."

              Fixed!

          2. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

            Yeah, but it's all just mopeds, ski boots, and focaccia bread.

            1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

              They are the number one exporter of dudes who do nothing but smoke cigarettes and catcall women.

              1. Trollificus   6 years ago

                Per capita, not nearly as high as Puerto Rico, though.

      2. DRM   6 years ago

        Since before then; see the long history of demanding the Irish vote twice.

    2. juris imprudent   6 years ago

      How abhorrent is the prospect of a Corbyn govt, that Parliament won't toss her out on a vote of no confidence?

      1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

        Labour has already tried to replace him as leader twice, right?

        If they had someone more centrist in leadership, that would make things easier.

        If often seems to be the case that what's happening in the U.S. is also happening in the rest of the world. We're all subject to the same economic forces, the same headlines, some of the same demographic trends, etc. Everywhere I look in the English speaking world anyway, from the U.S. to Canada and from the UK to Australia and New Zealand, I'm seeing electorates on the left that are lurching to the far left and electorates on the right that are becoming more populist on issues like trade and immigration. So, the left in the UK can't put a Joe Biden in leadership either?

        Ugh.

        1. colorblindkid   6 years ago

          And under it all is a sensationalist, propagandist press fueling the flames.

    3. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      Italy would be bigger than the UK.

      It's a founding member of the ECC, gave more to integration than the UK, is part of the Euro and its economy roughly as big as the UK.

      Italy would hurt the EU more than the UK.

      Not sure why you would put Italy. Spain I can see but not Italy.

      1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

        chose

      2. Just Say'n   6 years ago

        Italy uses the euro, ergo their exit from the EU would have larger ramifications for the bloc

        1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

          It's ridiculous to even put Italy in the same sentence as Greece.

          A net giver to the EU who have contributed far more than the UK who never jumped in fully demands more respect than that.

          1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

            It's ridiculous to even put Italy in the same sentence as Greece.

            Oh, the irony.

            1. Tu­lpa AKA "feeling smug"   6 years ago

              God you're fucking stupid.

        2. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

          "Italy uses the euro, ergo their exit from the EU would have larger ramifications for the bloc"

          And the ramifications would be positive, right?

          If currencies trade on the basis of how much debt is issued in that currency, then countries with high debt levels leaving the Eurozone should make the currency rally--OTBE.

          Again, I'm not sure everyone is grokking the fact that when Italy spends far more than it takes in in taxes, it hurts the value of the Euro. If Italy had their own currency, their misbehavior wouldn't hurt other countries in the Eurozone.

          1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

            Ken, I think you need to knock it off with the 'bad actor' and 'misbehaviour' shtick.

            Italy's debt ratio is one thing, but the bottom line is it always met the threshold criteria of the EU. It it's a NET GIVER to the EU budget. And again, their debt is nothing like Greece or Spain in that it's an industrial and manufacturing power and member of the G7. It has CASH FLOW power those countries don't have.

            Italy's economy is closer aligned to France. And it's a MAJOR trading partner with Germany where BOTH countries owe each other money.

            You're talking like those tiresome Hypoborean chauvinists.

            I stand by Italy leaving the Euro is much more detrimental than the UK.

            1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

              I suggest you read this article from yesterday.

              "If you're seeking the key to the euro zone's economic outlook, all roads lead to Rome.

              Italy's public debt of ?2.4 trillion ($2.7 trillion) is significantly bigger than its economy and among the largest in the currency union, making it the most dangerous. This debt mountain threatens the financial stability of Italy and the future of the euro: Any plans to strengthen the single currency must solve the question of who will bear this burden."

              Bloomberg, April 4, 2019

              http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....ly-problem

              I maintain that Italy is a bad actor and they represent a fundamental threat to the Eurozone. The reason relatively fiscally responsible countries like the UK and Sweden didn't and don't want to be part of the Eurozone is because of countries like Italy. Italy is a problem. Their departure would be negative in the short term, but their continued presence in the Eurozone is a problem over the long term. If we're talking about countries you want in or out, the EU and the Eurozone would want the UK over bad actors like Italy. You don't make an example out of someone you want to stay. If you want to make an example of someone, it's a bad actor that you might be better off without over the long term anyway.

      3. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

        The point was that Italy, like Greece, is a major threat to the Euro because of their debt.

        http://tradingeconomics.com/eu.....ebt-to-gdp

        They've improved recently, but their outstanding debt still ranged up to 132% of GDP vs. 54-81% of GDP for Germany.

        The sacrifices Germany is making in terms of fiscal restraint in order to sustain the value of the Euro against inflation were largely being squandered by bad actors like Greece and Italy.

        France effectively required Germany to accept the burden of the Eurozone's fiscal responsibility as a condition for France's support for Germany's reunification, but Greece, Italy, and Spain went way too far in abusing that. As an export based economy, Germany benefits from having a weaker currency than they would without, say, France's overspending. That being said, no way Greece, Italy, and Spain could have spent as much as they do without suffering inflation if it weren't for Germany's fiscal discipline picking up the slack.

        1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

          So, anyway, my point was that if bad actors like Greece or Italy were to leave the zone and the currency, there's an argument to make that this would be a good thing over the long run--since they can't be trusted to be fiscally responsible. The problem of a central currency with individual countries setting their own budgets independently still hasn't been fixed, and one way to fix it would be for bad actors to leave. That's what I was trying to say that they might prefer if Greece or Italy left rather than the UK.

          The UK accepting the currency would be a good thing for the Euro. The UK leaving the EU is a bad thing for the EU.

  31. FreeRadical   6 years ago

    ANY amount of redaction of the report will give them all they need to keep bleeting about this forever. One word blacked out will do it.

    Of course it won't matter a mote if the redactions are for legitimate national security reasons.

    1. Just Say'n   6 years ago

      The un-redacted FISA documents would be more interesting. So weird that Democrats aren't demanding that information

      1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

        Weird, no. They love the idea of a secret court used to safeguard the power of the State. I suspect many of them would be quite happy to see its jurisdiction greatly expanded.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

        The un-redacted FISA documents would be more interesting.

        That's likely one of the reasons that Flynn hasn't been formally sentenced yet, and might not even get any prison time at all. Remember that the judge who recused himself from the Flynn case was the VERY SAME JUDGE who issued all those shady FISA warrants to begin with?

        Did it every occur to leftists why Flynn took a guilty plea, and then immediately whipped around and started fighting that verdict as hard as he could? Did they even know that five motions were filed less than a week later concerning "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree"? Well guess what--Flynn and his team, earlier this year, filed for a Protective Order "Governing Discovery" regarding the sentence. This meeting will be conducted in secret, in front of a federal judge, and evidence will be presented that Flynn was framed under a corrupted FISA system. What's notable here is that the Mueller team presented *no objection whatsoever* to the submission of evidence.

        Maybe the left shouldn't have put all their rotten eggs in Mueller's basket, because he's going to break their hearts again.

      3. Ecoli   6 years ago

        I would like to see Obama's unredacted application to Columbia and Harvard much more than an unredacted Mueller report.

    2. Tony   6 years ago

      Any defense of keeping the report secret is on its face a desire to see Trump shielded from at least political consequences of his own misdeeds and at most evidence of impeachable offenses.

      Stop being so fucking partisan. This is a libertarian place.

      1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

        I want the whole thing released. But thanks for proving my point: ANY redaction is in your mind "keeping the report secret". And yet some redaction in these kinds of reports is the norm and has been going on for years.

        Partisan. Funny. I voted for Johnson in '16 but the massive hysteria on your side is going to make vote for Trump next time.

        Not because I like him all that much. It's because it's healthy to have a guy who doesn't give a fuck who can knock down the ridiculous concepts of Dear Leader and his all powerful and benevolent State. And I think a lot of Trump supporters are in the what the fuck camp. Tear down your self-important and isolated establishment.

      2. Marcus Aurelius   6 years ago

        ... Says the statist.

      3. Enjoy Every Sandwich   6 years ago

        I want the whole thing released, but not just to partisan hacks in Congress. So if Schiff goes running to his pals on CNN claiming that he's seen "ironclad proof" of collusion the rest of us can verify it for ourselves.

        1. Tony   6 years ago

          I'm good with that.

          Believe it or not, I think it's better if the president is not a corrupt traitor, but I don't trust, so it needs to be verified.

      4. Colossal Douchebag   6 years ago

        Do you even hear yourself?

      5. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        Didn't Democrat vote for the law that typically keeps Special Counsel reports confidential?

        1. Tu­lpa AKA "feeling smug"   6 years ago

          Shhh Tony is emoting.

  32. Cyto   6 years ago

    I am enjoying watching a bunch of national politicians who said that they were going to impeach Trump before he even took office and insisted that 2.5 years was not too much time to investigate a story that their compatriots manufactured are now proclaiming that a week is far too long to spend digesting and redacting a 300 page report from that investigation.

    As with discword and turtles, in our world it is buffoons all the way down....

  33. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   6 years ago

    Beto might make my top tier of 2020 candidates if he keeps this up.

    WATCH: Beto O'Rourke compares President Trump's rhetoric and actions on immigration to rhetoric and actions he would expect to have heard during Nazi Germany's Third Reich.

    #LibertariansForBeto

    1. Tony   6 years ago

      He managed to make an analogy? Is his emo listening tour over?

      1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

        Interesting. So you don't like Beto? Who's your favorite right now Tony?

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

          Yeah, Tony, if you had to get it on with one of the Dem candidates, which one would it be?

          1. Tony   6 years ago

            Beto.

            1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

              Yeah, Beto's got a little hotness to him.

            2. Dillinger   6 years ago

              looks like he'd be really boring.

              1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

                Tony needs a power bottom and Beto looks like a lazy guy.

                Sorry Tony, no lawyer babies for you and Beto.

            3. Mickey Rat   6 years ago

              Puta?

        2. Tony   6 years ago

          Warren.

          1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

            I respect that you don't think with your dick, Tony.

            1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

              Elizabeth Warren is 1/1024 dude, so Tony is not off the hook.

  34. Rockabilly   6 years ago

    The TDS is real bad and fatal to the brain.

    Thoughts and prayers.

    1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

      TDS does seem to be more than a temporary insanity type thing.

      TDS seems to cause permanent brain damage, as it is constant and affects multiple parts of these people's lives.

  35. Dillinger   6 years ago

    too many shots of Zuckerberg's ugly mug lately how about we go 2 days w/o having to look at him

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      He looks like Geppetto forgot to screw on the nose.

      1. Dillinger   6 years ago

        if Punching Zuckerberg In the Face was a PPV event I would purchase.

    2. Ecoli   6 years ago

      Does anybody else think Zuckerberg looks like Elizabeth Holmes' twin?

      They both have those vacant, serpent-like eyes.

  36. Ron   6 years ago

    If congress gets the full report it should be released to teh public for we know that certain members will claim there is prove in there wether there is or isn't. they are quite good at Orwellian speak

  37. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

    To be fair to people like Maddow, what else do they have?

    1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

      The Green New Deal, reparations for slavery, and Medicare for All.

      Collusion with the Russians sounds the least crazy of the four if you ask me, but that's not saying much.

    2. Dillinger   6 years ago

      alternate avenues of employment, perhaps not on television.

  38. Rockabilly   6 years ago

    TDS Leftist FIRED For Harassing Jewish Man In MAGA Hat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAWEslbEoh4

  39. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

    I'm gonna play at "OpenBorders LIberaltarian".

    More bad news for the economy!

    "The unemployment rate held steady at 3.8% last month, just above a 49-year low of 3.7% touched last fall. Average hourly wages for private-sector workers grew 3.2% from a year earlier, a strong increase, but a slowdown from February's 3.4% gain, the best since recession ended in 2009."

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-....._lead_pos1

    "U.S. Jobs Grew by 196,000 in March as Hiring Bounces Back
    The unemployment rate held steady at 3.8%, just above a 49-year low touched last fall"

    So, the bad news is that wage growth has slowed down since February--and will continue to slow until we get that Russian agent out of the White House.

    How'd I do?

    1. Ken Shultz   6 years ago

      One of the other reasons the Democrats and sycophants in the media like Maddow don't want to shut up about the Mueller report is because it's so hard to make an issue out of criticizing the economy.

      Who are you going to believe--MSNBC or your own lying eyes?

      1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        +1

      2. Sevo   6 years ago

        "One of the other reasons the Democrats and sycophants in the media like Maddow don't want to shut up about the Mueller report is because it's so hard to make an issue out of criticizing the economy."

        On another site, some lefty seriously used the slow-down as proof that Trump's efforts are killing the economy. I mentioned that as any growth approaches what has been shown to be the max, it's bound to slow down.
        Like OP and Tony above, this idiot couldn't be bothered with facts....

  40. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

    Cliff plunge that killed family of 8 ruled a murder-suicide

    Two women drugged themselves and their six adopted children before intentionally killing the entire family by driving off a California cliff last year, a special coroner's jury has ruled.

    A jury of eight women and six men unanimously found Thursday that Jennifer and Sarah Hart, both 38, committed suicide and that their six children ? ages 12 to 19 ? died "at the hands of another, other than an accident" in the Mendocino County murder-suicide on March 26, 2018, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

    I wonder if this story is going to carried much by MSM. Lesbians who are a tiny minority in the USA, then murder all their 6 adopted children by driving over a cliff into the Pacific Ocean.

    1. $park? is the Worst   6 years ago

      Why does this need to be a national story? Because lesbians?

      1. FreeRadical   6 years ago

        I took his meaning to be that had it been someone disfavored by the press, Trump supporters or religious people, it would have been splashed around to show how fucked up they are.

    2. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

      It seemed to be big news right after it happened. Or maybe it just penetrated my bubble.

  41. colorblindkid   6 years ago

    I've said from the start that the Russia investigation was far closer to Whitewater than Watergate. The only difference is which side the media and press were rooting for.

  42. Michael Ejercito   6 years ago

    Tell me again how MoveOn.org got started?

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

      $50K from Soros

  43. Enjoy Every Sandwich   6 years ago

    I'm idly wondering what will happen if the Democrats get their hands on the unredacted Mueller report and it still doesn't prove "collusion". What will they do then? Well, other than that "scream at the sky" thing.

    1. Ray McKigney   6 years ago

      "Trump has something on Mueller."

      1. AlmightyJB   6 years ago

        Mueller's been working for Putin this whole time.

        1. Eddy   6 years ago

          Mueller *is* Putin!

    2. Tony   6 years ago

      How do you feel about a new investigation into the oranges of that investigation?

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  45. Chest Rockwell   6 years ago

    Jesus I thought liberals were supposed to be educated?

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