Paid Leave

Bill de Blasio Proposes Mandated Paid Vacations Because 'New Yorkers Need a Break'

"If you work hard and you don't get a break, that's not fair," de Blasio said.

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio today proposed a plan requiring private employers to provide their workers with 10 days per year of paid vacation.

The proposal would benefit hundreds of thousands of full- and part-time employees who don't have access to paid time off (PTO), de Blasio's office claims. If the plan is approved by the New York City Council, all private businesses with five or more workers would need to offer their workers two weeks of vacation time.

"New Yorkers need a break," de Blasio said today from City Hall. "If you work hard and you don't get a break, that's not fair."

The proposal is the first of its kind in the United States, according to The New York Times. De Blasio's office specifically highlighted the 470,000 combined employees in the city's professional services, retail, hotel, and food industries who don't get paid vacation.

"It's bad for your physical health. It's bad for your mental health," the mayor said. "It's no way to live."

Under the plan, workers would be able to take time off for any reason once they've been employed for 120 days. Companies would be allowed to require that employees give two weeks' notice before taking time off, or deny PTO requests if too many workers are taking off at the same time.

It doesn't sound like employees could automatically take 10 days of PTO after 120 days of employment. According to The Washington Post, workers would accrue their PTO gradually over the course of their employment.

The proposal probably has a decent chance of passing. The city council is dominated by Democrats, and judging from some of their reactions in de Blasio's press statement, a good number already appear to support the proposal.

But support is far from universal. "Everyone wants employees to have a fair amount of vacation time, but one-size-fits-all government mandates tend to make it harder to hire, grow businesses and create jobs," Michael Steel, a Republican strategist who used to work for former House Speaker John Boehner (R–Ohio), told the Post. "This sounds like that's what this would do."

Kathryn Wylde, president and CEO of the Partnership for New York City, a local business group, agrees. She called the plan "another example of municipal overreach into the city's private sector economy."

"Most New York City employers are doing whatever they can to attract and keep good workers and do not need the government dictating their benefit policies," Wylde said in a statement. Many of the businesses that would be affected, she said, "are struggling retailers, who are facing rising rents and online competition."

Steel and Wylde bring up fair points. If private employers believe offering their workers paid vacation time will increase productivity, morale, or profits, then they will. Most businesses already do this, with the Bureau of Labor Statistics reporting that 76 percent of private industry workers had access to PTO as of March 2017.

The problem is that PTO doesn't make sense for every business.

"When policymakers like de Blasio mandate benefits, it results in a reduction in salary/wages, or other employee benefits for employees," says Vanessa Brown Calder, a policy analyst at the Cato Institute who specializes in social welfare, housing, and urban policy. "That is because employers are interested in limiting total costs (compensation) for a given productivity level," Calder told Reason in an email.

If private employers are forced by the government to offer those benefits, then they may decide to cut wages as a result. But let's say workers at any particular company make $15 an hour (which is the minimum wage for business in NYC with 11 or more employees): Their wages can't legally be cut any more. In order to make ends meet, the business may end up cutting hours or even laying off some employees.

Mandatory benefit proposals essentially tell workers and companies what kind of compensation packages are acceptable. In reality, some workers would gladly trade higher pay for more time off. "However, not all employees would," notes Calder. "When policymakers like De Blasio mandate benefits, it (counterintuitively) reduces employees choices."

There are other reasons why de Blasio's plan isn't a good idea. "Mandates that make employees more expensive offer less incentive for businesses to hire more and more highly skilled employees (that's bad news for lower-wage workers)," wrote Independent Women's Forum Carrie Lucas in a July 2017 piece for Reason. "A government one-size-fits-all paid leave program would also discourage voluntary alternative work arrangements like job-sharing and telecommuting that benefit employers and employees."

Lucas was specifically referring to proposals that provide new parents with paid leave. But it's the same idea. Paid family leave and paid vacation time are both great policies when employers decide to implement them. But forcing such policies on businesses and their workers can, often does, and likely will have unintended consequences.

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  1. “If you work hard and you don’t get a break, that’s not fair.”

    Jesus Christ I’ve just about had it with this nauseating ‘not fair’ crap.

    Fucken babies. Grow up.

    1. Easy for you to say, Rufus. You already get your 10 days. Plus 9 days of holidays!

      1. But that’s only 19 days!!!! I need at least – counts fingers – at least 14 more!

  2. that’s not fair

    You know, when my kids were five years old I started teaching them that the most important rule is that life isn’t fair. What is this nutbag’s excuse?

    1. What I always tell my daughter. Adjust your expectations accordingly.

      If you’re an adult and still saying stupid shit like that, I have to wonder about you.

      Asshole politicians enabling people with such nonsense.

      1. There’s literally nothing fair about life and the human experience.

        1. Voluntary exchange is about as fair as you can get.

          1. Yes, and as soon as someone gets ‘screwed’ or ‘loses out’ it’s claimed ‘not fair!’

            Yeh well, the Bears lost on a FG miss. That’s life. GO EAGLES!

            1. Go Cowboys.

            2. Double Doink

              Fly Eagles Fly

              1. I’m a big fan of wind power. That makes for a great place for Eagles to fly into.

        2. Glad you agree, now tell it to employers. Oh wait, you’re a slaver.

    2. DeBlasio belongs in federal prison for sedition, not in political office.

  3. Why stop at 10 days? Why not 180 or 360 days of PTO?

    Fuck employers! Fuck taxpayers! This is about fairness!

  4. I should not have to repeat this:
    In a free and honest transaction between two parties, both end up with more value after the transaction. This is self-evident; I want that shirt more than I want the $20, and the seller wants the $20 more than the shirt. We are both better off. The nearly constant trading in a modern, relatively free society is the reason we’re all better off than we were sometime in the past; it’s what makes us wealthy.
    In a coerced transaction, at least one, and possibly both agents end up worse off; those transactions lower humanity’s wealth. Such as this one.

    1. But how do we know if it was fair? If I don’t have $20 and still want your shirt then I should have it in respect to fairness. And two weeks off. It was a lot of work quibbling over a free shirt.

  5. “New Yorkers need a break,” de Blasio said today from City Hall. “If you work hard and you don’t get a break, that’s not fair.”

    Ok- fine. You get paid vacation, but you can forget about that raise you were expecting. Fair enough?

    1. Or the flexible time off when a home emergency arises. Or bringing your kid/dog/cockatoo to work when your daycare mom has to take care of something. Or getting packages delivered to work. Or a zillion other things that go into voluntary contracts.

      1. Wow, sink lower. I’m sure you got more nonsense to spout.

        1. If by nonsense you mean the methods employers will use to attempt to maintain productivity at previous levels without increasing employment, then carry on.

          Your best of intentions doesn’t mean everyone else has your lack of imagination or requirement to actually turn a profit. That evil word profit where the owner of the business actually gets a paycheck always comes back up. I know! Horrible!

          1. No requirement,I mean.

  6. See, this sort of idea is just stupid. I get it, the supporters want people to have some vacation time to spend with their families. That would be nice, in a perfect world. The answer isn’t to coerce businesses to give it to them.

    1. It happened here. But we have something called CSST or CNEST that covers that. Of course, I have to pay 3% into it.

      See?

      SOCIALIZED CIVILITY!

      Even better, they won’t serve me in my language because, you know, insecure morons:

      https://bit.ly/2CepL8Q

      1. Needless to say, I keep my distance from them wherever possible. Any literature they send me goes straight into the garbage.

  7. New Yorkers need a break due to living in their hyper-scaled, Calhoun rat experiment of a city.

    1. What does that make the rats?

  8. New Yorkers deserve a break from de Blasio.

    1. Why? They voted for the progressive-socialist twit. Let them lie in that bed.

      1. I agree. Most New Yorkers are subnormal progtard trash. They deserve to suffer for what they have done. They also inflict people like Hillary, AOC amd Andrew Cuomo on the world.

        Goddamn them to Hell.

  9. When are companies going to start saying no? Honestly, it has to be all corruption–why else would they stay?

    1. Well Bezos just moved in. This must be A OK with him.

  10. “New Yorkers need a break,” de Blasio said today from City Hall.

    John Stossel sues for infringement.

  11. .”A government one-size-fits-all paid leave program would also discourage voluntary alternative work arrangements like job-sharing and telecommuting that benefit employers and employees.”

    Gotta love nonsense like this.

    Sorry mate, but if your job was even considering accommodating things like “job-sharing” and “telecommuting”, then you’re either a contract worker (in which case this law doesn’t apply) or you’ve already got benefits.

    The jobs this hits are the low/no-skilled jobs in retail and food service. The jobs where if you start making demands or asking for better compensation, you just get fired and replaced. There is no negotiation, because the supply of would-be employees far out-paces the demand for employees.

    So no. This doesn’t forestall negotiations, because the people actually impacted were the ones powerless to negotiate in the first place.

    1. It contorts and distorts voluntary contract negotiations. Your claimed empathy for the poor is a figment of your blinkered imagination, because the poor already do have a negotiating power in choosing which jobs they apply for. Statists like you and deBlasio are usurping that negotiating power with every chance you get. Not a day goes by that some poor schmuck is fired or not hired because you clowns have made it impossible for employers to hire them.

      1. Your claimed empathy […]

        I didn’t claim I had any empathy.

        That said, if you re-read what I wrote, I’m saying that line is nonsense. Whether the move overall is good or bad is something I didn’t opine on and don’t care about.

        1. “I didn’t claim I had any empathy.”
          Correct; you just used innuendo and hoped it was obvious until you were called on our bullshit.

          “That said, if you re-read what I wrote, I’m saying that line is nonsense.”
          So you’re full of shit.

          “Whether the move overall is good or bad is something I didn’t opine on and don’t care about.”
          More ducking and weaving when called on bullshit.
          Lefty bullshit artist trying and failing.

          1. Innuendo? What innuendo? That was all pretty straight forward.

            That said, the “ducking and weaving” you’re accusing me of is just me pointing out that “a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf” was responding to things I hadn’t actually said.

            1. “Innuendo? What innuendo?”
              This:
              “So no. This doesn’t forestall negotiations, because the people actually impacted were the ones powerless to negotiate in the first place.”

              1. Yeppers, that’s what I thought I read and was responding too. I guess it means something different in prog-speak.

                1. Apparently the Enigma is how some people improve their own lives. It’s too much to expect someone to improve their own lot in life to negotiate for an improvement in wages.

                2. “Yeppers, that’s what I thought I read and was responding too. I guess it means something different in prog-speak.”

                  Just once, a lefty fucking ignoramus might offer an honest argument without the ducking, weaving, misdirection and all the rest.
                  But that would require that fucking ignoramus to be other than a lefty; they (all of them, every one) never do.
                  EE, fold it until it is all corners and stuff it up your ass. I’m tired of your attempts at sophistry.

    2. EscherEnigma|1.9.19 @ 5:08PM|#
      “…The jobs this hits are the low/no-skilled jobs in retail and food service. The jobs where if you start making demands or asking for better compensation, you just get fired and replaced. There is no negotiation, because the supply of would-be employees far out-paces the demand for employees.”

      Lefty idiot makes one more claim minus cites.
      Hey, scumbag! Put up or shut up.

      1. Lefty idiot makes one more claim minus cites.

        Nah, y’all trained me that taking the time to properly cite and source my statements was a waste of time. And it’s not like the comment I objected to was cited or sourced either, so worst you can say is that I’m as bad as a “righty idiot”.

        1. EscherEnigma|1.9.19 @ 5:24PM|#
          “Nah, y’all trained me that taking the time to properly cite and source my statements was a waste of time.”
          No, scumbag, you make bogus claims and have no cites; you were trainied in lefty lying long before you got here.

          “And it’s not like the comment I objected to was cited or sourced either, so worst you can say is that I’m as bad as a “righty idiot”.”
          No cite required in pointing out that it interferes with vo0lunttary agreements, so as a lefty idiot, you’re two for two.
          Fail, scumbag.

          1. Nah. If you go back a while in my posts, I used to give out cites a lot more. When I talk on other platforms (including other conservative ones) i continue to do so. Just not here. ’cause while I don’t find any more agreement when I talk to people on American Conservative and the like, I do find that they’re less likely to just… spew… like you do here.

            Ironic, isn’t it? It’s easier for me to have civil discussions with people who think I’m a hell-bound sinner that’s ruining American values and destroying Christianity, then it is for me have civil discussions with so-called libertarians who claim to actually care about Free Speech and so-on.

            As a side note, you should learn some basic html. Even if you don’t want to go for a full blockquote, using italics really improves the readability of your posts and helps delineate the quote from the response.

            1. EscherEnigma|1.9.19 @ 6:00PM|#
              “Nah. If you go back a while in my posts, I used to give out cites a lot more….”
              Sure you do.

              “Ironic, isn’t it? It’s easier for me to have civil discussions with people who think I’m a hell-bound sinner that’s ruining American values and destroying Christianity, then it is for me have civil discussions with so-called libertarians who claim to actually care about Free Speech and so-on.”
              You mean others who buy your bullshit? Why is that Ironic?

              “As a side note, you should learn some basic html. Even if you don’t want to go for a full blockquote, using italics really improves the readability of your posts and helps delineate the quote from the response.”
              As a side note, you should stuff your advice up your ass.

    3. Everyone’s powerless in lefty land.

    4. We should totally just flood New York with more people willing to work for less than those people. It’s not like it will contribute to their lack of power or anything.

    5. You know, back when I was working in those low-skilled employment areas, I never WANTED to take a vacation because I was grabbing all the hours I could. It used to be more likely for my manager to call me and tell me to take the day off than calling me up and telling me I needed to show up for an extra shift.

      Making it mandatory for people to take paid days off in those jobs seems like it’s just going to reduce the opportunities even more for people who want the extra work.

  12. I wish I had a full time job of doing nothing but thinking up cockamamie ideas to get publicity for that sweet sweet government pension.

  13. First free medical care, now this. Gotta love New York!

  14. Were life fair, I would be a 6’5″ stunningly handsome football player with a ten … no, that isn’t fair … a TWELVE inch dick and a genius IQ. Oh, and I’d be a master pianist.

    1. Cue “twelve-inch pianist” joke.

    2. Why not a four inch penis and use it three times?

    3. Acts of God/nature/non-human actors will not always seem fair, and yes, people need to accept that. But people’s interactions with each other should be fair, i.e. just. The exhortation to accept that “life isn’t fair” if you are treated wrongfully, meaning if your rights are violated, does not seem very libertarian to me.

      Now in this case, is it more unfair to workers not to get paid vacations, or to employers to have to pay people for work they aren’t doing? Probably the latter. On the other hand, people can’t be expected to work every day of their lives without a break. But generally speaking, they aren’t.

  15. “”If you work hard and you don’t get a break, that’s not fair,” de Blasio said.”

    It’s not fair if people can’t have whatever they feel entitled to for the price of feeling entitled.

    What’s never established is that the government’s forcible extraction of the gimme out of someone else’s hide is fair.

  16. “Most New York City employers are doing whatever they can to attract and keep good workers and do not need the government dictating their benefit policies,” Wylde said…. Steel and Wylde bring up fair points. If private employers believe offering their workers paid vacation time will increase productivity, morale, or profits, then they will.

    Marxists like de Blasio don’t believe that. They think employers are in command, & therefore that employees do need gov’t dictating benefits.

  17. NYC is obviously a workers’ paradise, so I assume said workers will want to spend their new leisure time in NYC, right?

  18. So if you own your own business and have no employees, will he pay for you to take a day off?

    1. “So if you own your own business and have no employees, will he pay for you to take a day off?”

      Probably, but it’ll be pro-rated such that you’ll do better if you go to work.

      1. You can go on strike against yourself until this improves.

  19. He’s New York’s craziest mayor since Fernando Wood.

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  21. Yes, live isn’t fair. So do we need government to make it fair? Bad idea.

  22. “Vote for me and get paid vacation. No, it’s not a bribe.”

    1. “Vote for me and get paid permanent unpaid vacation. No, it’s not a bribe.”

  23. This one is just too easy. Only one vacation needs to be paid for: De Blasio’s. As long as he’s out of town, people are safe and secure. And it’s a cheap investment when compared to the economic damage he can wreak by continued community involvement. Send him anywhere – even if it costs $20k a month to do it.

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