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Mount Holyoke, a Women's College, Can't Find a Logo Gender Neutral Enough to Please Its Trans Students

The Venus symbol "has a long history of exclusion... represents the erasure of others."

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Mount Holyoke is a women's liberal arts college in South Hadley, Massachusetts. Consistent with our modern understanding that the term "woman" includes those who were not born with female sex characteristics, the school has, for several years now, also admitted transwomen.

This has created one unexpected issue: Trans activist students and their allies are fighting a proposed new logo for the school, which resembles the symbol for Venus when turned on its side.

Vice President Charles Greene apologized recently for proposing a logo that "represents the erasure of others," and announced that administrators were going back to the drawing board:

Guided by initial discussions with trustees, graduates, faculty, staff, alumnae and students, our partners also thought it important to express the important role that women's colleges have played in exploring issues of gender, particularly with regard to populations that have typically been marginalized in society.

This past Thursday, we had the occasion to solicit feedback on the design firm's identity work from a group of students. We listened to feedback regarding the use of the Venus symbol as an option for the brand identity and logo, as proposed by the consultants. It is now evident to us that this symbol has a long history of exclusion connected to movements that, while trailblazing for some groups, represents the erasure of others.

We have thus determined that the College cannot move forward with a word mark that references this symbol as we rethink how we will distinguish Mount Holyoke College. While it is always disappointing to realize that our creative work has not achieved its goals, it is deeply upsetting to realize that the work is seen as offensive and damaging.

Call me crazy, but a slightly disguised reference to the Venus sign seems like a good way to acknowledge Mount Holyoke's history as a women's college—to acknowledge that it is a campus for all people who identify as women, even though our understanding of what it means to be a woman has evolved. Some students did not agree, however. Greene maintained that he is committed to demonstrating the college's "support for the diversity of genders and perspectives," although that may prove to be a difficult task.

In response to this story, The College Fix makes an apt comparison to Greendale Community College's completely inoffensive, gender- and race-non-specific joke mascot on NBC's Community: the Greendale Human Being. (Warning: the mascot is terrifying.)

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  1. When are these administrators going to learn that you don’t apologize and back down every time some whacko activists complain about something? There will always be someone with a new grievance. It never ends. You can’t make angry college activists happy. Their whole thing is to find something to be outraged about and they will always find something.

    1. Good comment, Zeb. When did college admins get so pussified? THEY are in control of the campus, NOT mentally ill people like trans folks.

    2. The most egregious example of that is still the Evergreen State College administrator after the protests there last year.

      I swear, watching that report that Moynihan did for Vice news, where he interviewed the president of the University after he’d been essentially held captive in his office. It was like watching what someone who had recently completed a struggle session in Maoist China must have sounded like.

    3. Whereas all the stupid petty bullshit that outrages you is legitimate.

      1. So you’re saying you’re not legitimate.

        1. No way Tony’s father’s ever gonna acknowledges he’s his.

      2. I’m really not a terribly outraged person. I think I do well at saving it for less petty things. I’m not outraged at this. Just think it’s a dumb move by administrators if they want their institutions to be what they claim to be. It’s hardly new. The same kind of shit went on when I was in college 20 years ago. But something seems to be coming to a head.

      3. I see a lot of outrage on this topic from people that will never step foot on the campus of Mount Holyoke, or even probably meet anyone that went there.

        1. You would be very wrong in your assumption.

          My Grandmother attended Mt Holyoke and my ex-wife earned her masters from Smith College, one of the 7 sister colleges where woke people go to school. I spent quite a bit of time on the campuses, really rather amusing.

          I’m a combat vet and lawyer who sat in some of my wife’s courses, always interesting. The children screaming for attention in these classes truly have zero understanding of the world or what power is or how the world exists outside their bubble. One of the best things about life, is life is the greatest teacher. These kids better hope the U.S. continues to keep much of the rest of the world at bay or they are in for a very powerful life lesson.

        2. “I see a lot of outrage on this topic from people that will never step foot on…”

          Applies to any given subject on any given day. Or, no one has any business talking about something unless they have literally been there and done that and gotten a degree AND a t shirt.

          Shut down the whole frigging internet why don’t you?

        3. Do you live on the border? If not, why get so outraged about a border wall?

  2. “Vice President Charles Greene apologized recently for proposing a logo that “represents the erasure of others,” and announced that administrators were going back to the drawing board:”

    What a cuck.

    1. Stack of Shit is another moron who doesn’t know what the word “cuckold” means. I will leave it to S.O.S. to look up the definition so he (she, it?) can realize what a dolt he (she, it?) is.

      1. CGN is a compressed turd who doesn’t recognize that “cuck” and “cuckold” are spelled differently and have different meanings.

      2. “Stack of Shit is another moron who doesn’t know what the word “cuckold” means. I will leave it to S.O.S. to look up the definition so he (she, it?) can realize what a dolt he (she, it?) is.”

        What a cuck.

    2. This thing about “erasure” is so nuts. Anything short of having a wild party for them is “erasure”. Until like 5 minutes ago the average person had probably never knowingly been around a trans person. I saw a very muscular young man in a dress, and he was so gone that his friend had to lead him around by the elbow. I knew a scientist who became a very ugly woman (late 50s when he transitioned). That is pretty much it in my entire life.

  3. How about not wasting money on logos?

  4. Maybe they could use the old Prince symbol. I seem to remember that Prince initially claimed it was meant to be a combination of the traditional Mars and Venus symbols.

    1. Anyway, I’m pretty sure Prince won’t be needing it anymore.

        1. too many squirrels

    2. It looks like the Venus symbol playing a crazy looking trombone.

      1. I dare you to search google for that

      2. Is it rusty?

    3. Is there a symbol for infertility?

      1. Why, yes. The man bun.

      2. The e-cigarette.

  5. Sorry Robby, only reality impaired morons follow your “modern understanding” of the word woman. If you didn’t see exactly this type of thing coming decades ago you weren’t paying attention or don’t have the cognitive abilities of a gnat.

    1. Human nature has no history.

    2. Don’t you need to have some personal experience on the subject to speak on it?

  6. Imagine thinking your purpose in life is to bully wrong-thinkers

    1. Lot’s of examples of this from the Church to the Pagans to the Communists to the Socialists to the etc…….

  7. Transgenderism is a mental disability, not a reality. The name for humans with a penis and testicles is a male, and for humans with a vagina, a female. End of story. This whole problem arose due to stupid do gooders emoting rather than thinking. Once Trans folks leave the cocoon of colleges, they will find exactly NO ONE who will participate in their mental illness created nonsense that men are women or the opposite.

  8. If it’s a Women’s college, why do they need a logo for gender?

    1. Why does God need a spaceship?

      1. How. DARE. You.

        “What does ‘God’ need with a starship?”

        1. You are now officially my hero.

    2. If it’s a women’s college, why do they have “trans” students?

      1. Where else would Vietnamese people go to college?

  9. Sometimes it’s hard to be a woman
    Having dangly bits just like a man

    1. The worst part about being a woman at a women’s college is having a raging erection in the showers.

      1. No, no, that’s not a “raging erection”, it’s an “engorged clitoris”.

  10. You know, I feel like a coed, can I enroll?

    1. Did I say coed? I meant single sex-ed, with me being the single sex they need.

      1. lesbian trapped in a male body ????? Crazy enough to work.

        1. This could get complex?is it possible to be multiply trans? Like, a woman with a male body suffering from an overwhelming need to be cismale? What would the treatment be?

          1. A slap and being told to “grow up and don’t be so fucking stupid”, although that treatment would probably be effective for 99% of trans cases in general.

      2. I can tell you that I am definitely the single sex those college ladies need. Rowr. Wildest 10 seconds of their lives, I tell you what.

  11. Who’s this “our,” kemosab

  12. How about the infinity symbol? Maybe that has been copy-righted by Bezos after he checked his on-line account balance?

  13. Vice President Charles Greene apologized recently for proposing a logo that “represents the erasure of others,”

    So… is there a long history I’ve somehow never heard about concerning cis-gendered women attempting genocide against trans women and using the Venus symbol as their calling card, like maybe burning wooden Venus symbols on the lawns of trans women’s houses in the middle of the night or something? I don’t get how that symbol possibly “represents the erasure of others.” But then again, I’m not a retarded SJW.

    1. It doesn’t matter that it’s illogical. The point is that it’s not a huge leap from previous positions that they’ve held. This is just advancing the narrative. Sometimes a good story requires suspension of disbelief.

  14. “Vice President Charles Greene apologized recently for proposing a logo that “represents the erasure of others,” and announced that administrators were going back to the drawing board:”

    VP Greene shoulda’ said “Up yours”, and gone on to take care of business.

  15. Why would trans women have a problem with the female sign? They want to be considered female right? They attend a woman’s college.

    1. Logic is a cis male construct.

  16. So a Venus logo represents “erasure of others” because the transwomem do not actually think of themselves as women?

    Gee, Soave your statement that the Venus logo is appropriate for Mt. Holyoke could be taken as benign but ignorant.

    1. Well, I can see part of it. It’s a fertility symbol, which does leave out trans people (assuming they don’t have or won’t use the equipment to do it).

      But that’s a bit like being angry at the clouds or something. It’s not going to get you anywhere to be pissed at reality for not making you an actual woman.

      1. Reality is part of patriarchal oppression.

      2. It’s not going to get you anywhere to be pissed at reality for not making you an actual woman.

        ERASURE!

  17. “Consistent with our modern understanding that the term “woman” includes those who were not born with female sex characteristics” That’s not my understanding modern or otherwise. I’m happy to call them Ms. or Cindy or Muffy or whatever they want to be called but they are not women. Human beings born female have the magical ability to create other human beings. Human beings born male do not and can not no matter how much surgery you perform.

    1. Something something xx, xy…something.

      #IFLS

    2. Hell, I’ll even call them trans-women if they want. But that’s still a separate category from women. Given that we are animals who won’t be around for long if most of us don’t reproduce, it’s kind of a useful category. It’s not as if its some arbitrary discrimination like declaring a race inferior or something.

      1. Except the Irish, amiright?

    3. Agreed. Who’s this ‘our’ to which he refers? Is it a big group?

  18. Good. More of this, please.

    Just like Evergreen, the people running these institutions have spent decades cultivating this nonsense and cheering when others ran into it.

    Time to take a nice nap in that bed you made, professor.

    1. They don’t connect their past bad actions to current bad outcomes. It’s either completely different and unexpected, or they need to evolve. It’s like Seinfeld. No hugging. No learning.

      1. Well when you specifically declare reason and logic as part of the patriarchy, what other result would one expect? One might even ask what, precisely, one learns at this school since they have precluded learning from their curriculum.

  19. I keep looking at that loge, and honest to God I don’t see a Venus symbol anywhere. What am I missing? I feel miserable.

    1. Ignore the “M” (the black and blue parts).

      1. Nice, Eddie. You found the hidden meaning in the symbol.

  20. This is all part of the education.

    The students who can protest all proposed logos are awarded bachelors degrees in sociology on the spot.

  21. President Charles Greene

    Appears women can’t even crack the glass ceiling at an all women’s college.

    1. Maybe he’s a she and simply feels comfortable with the name Charles.

      You know, like George Sand.

      1. Or Tom Cruise.

        1. Or Robin Wright.

  22. Oh, you know what else I think is funny? There are people, being paid six figures to sit at a board room table and think about this.

  23. OT – for those with access to the New York Times, here’s an article suggesting that Planned Parenthood discriminates against pregnant employees.

    1. Maybe they just didn’t plan enough. Bad for the brand.

  24. A man being kicked in the nuts should be appropriate.

    1. No, because she might be a transwoman.

    2. Don’t bring your kinks into this.

  25. I like that logo. It’s clever. But there’s nothing more woman than bickering over trivialities, so they should probably make a logo out of that.

  26. Since gender is merely a social construct, wouldn’t all logos be gender neutral?

  27. “…even though our understanding of what it means to be a woman has evolved…..”

    Does Robby actually believe this bile?

    1. He never learned what women were for. It’s very sad.

    2. Yes. He also doesn’t understand how he’s complicit in all of this. No hugging. No learning.

  28. Now that is a politically correct thing to do. There is no need for gender in this age. Go man Go. no that is not correct so I guess it is Go thing go! That is better.

  29. How a great big zero?

    To represent the number of balls the administration has
    To represent that there are zero things that do not offend someone, somewhere
    To represent the IQ of a college graduate these days
    To represent the number of damns I give about this

    ( and even there, I suspect the IT students will be offended the one is excluded – – – – – – )

  30. Sometime, in the far future, historians will debate the date that truly marks the end of western civilization. Is this that date?

    1. It’s interesting, when ‘people’ do talk about the 2000s, the most salient thing is always that the world ended in the Year 2000.

      But they’re looking at it through lenses lifetimes long–and, let’s be honest, WAAAY too many of them are natives wanting people to ‘talk’ about things that are important to them

      It’s pretty sad really–especially coming from beings who are perfectly aware that they can be anywhen they’ve are going to have been.

  31. I wonder what will happen when a caucasian student who no longer identifies with their birth race and declares themselves transracial applies to an historically black college like Howard or Morehouse. I’m sure something like that will occur any day now. What will the SJWs and their academic department enablers do then?

    1. You’re assuming that progs are bothered by inconsistency in their behavior or pretend to have principles of general application. They would simply tell that student, “you don’t get to define yourself?you’re white! The white rules apply to you!”

  32. “Mount Holyoke is a women’s liberal arts college in South Hadley, Massachusetts”

    Seems sort of exclusionary to me. And I can find nothing on their ebsite about admitting people who are not women. Hardly sounds progressive at all.

  33. Our understanding of what it means to be a woman has not “evolved.” If anything it has devolved to the point where the words “he” and “she” no longer convey any information. If one can be the other merely by the asking then neither word has any meaning.

    It is not an exaggeration to say that our college administrators have a poorer understanding of the subject than the average Kindergartner.

    1. Is it so hard to understand that there are a small minority of people who don’t fit neatly into generally applicable groups? The annoying thing is when tiny minority groups expect large majorities to behave as though the exceptions are more common than they are, not when they push to be recognized at all. “She” almost always refers to a person born and mostly identifying as female. That doesn’t mean the kindergarten version is right.

      1. But the number of people who can’t be easily and definitively identified as either male or female is tiny. Very, very few “transgender” people are in that condition. For practical purposes, the kindergarten version IS right.

  34. Maybe they should work on their name? Mount Holyoke is reportedly named for an English settler/explorer, Elizur Holyoke, who exploited the local Indians circa 1650. Is MHC celebrating Native American genocide?

  35. Is there something in the water? It’s something in the water isn’t it? We should check, cause there seems to be a lot of fella’s in the generation in college right now that think they are female…

    1. It’s like “acting white” – the lower-status culture imitates the dominant culture to elevate their social standing. Guess who’s the dominant culture? Everybody wants to be the victim now, victims are our heroes and the more victimized you are the more privileged you become, the powerless the most powerful. Wallowing in self-pity and self-aggrandizing grievance has become the most admirable of traits. It’s like we’ve become a nation of 8th grade girls.

  36. Isn’t the Greendale Human Being a tad speciest?

  37. Can I identify as a woman and study there?

  38. Check out Amazon’s There’s More than 2 Genders t Shirt. However they are only available in two fits, men or women.

  39. Although on its side it does kind of look like a Venus symbol on a scissor lift. Without a hardhat.

  40. “Consistent with our modern understanding that the term “woman” includes those who were not born with female sex characteristics”.

    Well that’s your first mistake. You fail.

    Is that all it takes to be a woman? A little makeup and a claim? That’s a pretty low standard for admittance. To hell with science and logic at another school for “women”.

    1. And have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. That defines a woman.

      Beam me up Scotty. There’s no intelligent life down here.

      1. Not all men who present themselves as women have gender dysphoria. There are several different causes and motivations for that behavior. That’s one of the problems with the “transgender” concept?it lumps together distinct and different conditions and choices.

        1. Yes, but are men really women if they don’t have gender dysphoria?

          In our “modern understanding”.

          1. The “modern understanding” is that men are really women if they say they are.

            1. So an insincere claim by a sexual male predator would qualify him for entry to all female only areas, in our “modern understanding”. Nice.

              Well I don’t agree. I never will.

              1. These days even questioning the sincerity of such a claim could have serious legal and career consequences.

  41. How about a brain, with a circle with a bar through it, imposed over the brain.

  42. “…which resembles the symbol for Venus when turned on its side”

    Are these people actually spending any time studying [anything but offense and outrage at every possible opportunity]?

    No one is really “offended” but for a few useful idiots who would actually buy into this nonsense; it is about “hey, we are a very small group of malcontents and let’s see what we can find to wag the dog.” And so far it is working pretty well for them, at least on college campuses and twit space.

  43. If you turn the hand gesture of the peace sign upside down, it resembles someone who isn’t wearing any pants, and should be banned for promoting sex degeneracy.

  44. “Get woke, go broke”, I guess.

    Go broke faster, please.

    (MHC is plainly not going to provide good education for its exorbitant prices, so … it’s doing a disservice to everyone going there.

    Shut down tomorrow, guys.)

  45. “…even though our understanding of what it means to be a woman has evolved…..”

    No. No it hasn’t.

    How the current wave of feminists has failed to recognize that the transgendered movement is the single most anti-woman current in western thought is beyond me.

    Actually, no, I do kind of get it. A transgendered woman is the kind of woman they keep trying to turn the rest of us into – a man in a skirt. Oops, I meant a white pantsuit.

    1. There has long been an anti-woman subtext to feminism that the sexists are right that femininity really is inferior to masculinity, and that women can be liberated only to the extent that they become men.

      1. True to some degree, it’s why I define myself as a one-and-a-half-wave feminist and can’t fully get on board with wave 2.

        But the embrace of transgendered women as women is just so bizarre. It is denying the very fundamental point of feminism as proven by allowing them to compete in women’s sports, attend women’s schools, and act as spokespeople for women’s issues.


  46. This has created one unexpected issue: Trans activist students and their allies are fighting a proposed new logo for the school, which resembles the symbol for Venus when turned on its side.

    I sort of love the fact these moron’s didn’t see this coming from miles away. They are indeed going to eat their own with this insanity.


    1. Call me crazy, but a slightly disguised reference to the Venus sign seems like a good way to acknowledge Mount Holyoke’s history as a women’s college?to acknowledge that it is a campus for all people who identify as women, even though our understanding of what it means to be a woman has evolved.

      Also, this is batshit insanity. If our understanding on what it means to be a woman has evolved than being a woman doesn’t mean anything. The entire point of having a ‘women’s university’ is lost in the static.

      1. YES! I attended a woman’s university. The entire case for female-only schooling (at least at the time, before feminists completely overtook K-12 and made it anti-boy) was a recognition of the fact that social dynamics work differently in co-ed and single-sex groups. It was supposed to create an environment where women could feel free to excel in academics, sports, and leadership without social pressure to step back and let the men run things.

        Not arguing the merits of that one way or the other, but how is this an example of men not taking over and running things according to their priorities and agenda?

        1. They don’t dare recognize that’s what is happening because they can’t question the dogma that “trans” women are really women. It was a cute story, but in real life the boy who said “the Emperor has no clothes” would have been gagged and thrown in a dungeon.

      2. This is the central contradiction of the branch of feminism that holds that women aren’t equal to men until they are the same as men in virtually every way?50% of the jobs in every field, 50% of the seats in government, 50% of the child care and housework, 50% of the parts in movies and TV, 50% of the armed forces, etc., etc. How can you promote and celebrate femaleness while at the same time insisting that sex is practically insignificant?

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