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Campus Free Speech

Mount Holyoke, a Women's College, Can't Find a Logo Gender Neutral Enough to Please Its Trans Students

The Venus symbol "has a long history of exclusion... represents the erasure of others."

Robby Soave | 12.20.2018 5:55 PM

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Mount Holyoke is a women's liberal arts college in South Hadley, Massachusetts. Consistent with our modern understanding that the term "woman" includes those who were not born with female sex characteristics, the school has, for several years now, also admitted transwomen.

This has created one unexpected issue: Trans activist students and their allies are fighting a proposed new logo for the school, which resembles the symbol for Venus when turned on its side.

Vice President Charles Greene apologized recently for proposing a logo that "represents the erasure of others," and announced that administrators were going back to the drawing board:

Guided by initial discussions with trustees, graduates, faculty, staff, alumnae and students, our partners also thought it important to express the important role that women's colleges have played in exploring issues of gender, particularly with regard to populations that have typically been marginalized in society.

This past Thursday, we had the occasion to solicit feedback on the design firm's identity work from a group of students. We listened to feedback regarding the use of the Venus symbol as an option for the brand identity and logo, as proposed by the consultants. It is now evident to us that this symbol has a long history of exclusion connected to movements that, while trailblazing for some groups, represents the erasure of others.

We have thus determined that the College cannot move forward with a word mark that references this symbol as we rethink how we will distinguish Mount Holyoke College. While it is always disappointing to realize that our creative work has not achieved its goals, it is deeply upsetting to realize that the work is seen as offensive and damaging.

Call me crazy, but a slightly disguised reference to the Venus sign seems like a good way to acknowledge Mount Holyoke's history as a women's college—to acknowledge that it is a campus for all people who identify as women, even though our understanding of what it means to be a woman has evolved. Some students did not agree, however. Greene maintained that he is committed to demonstrating the college's "support for the diversity of genders and perspectives," although that may prove to be a difficult task.

In response to this story, The College Fix makes an apt comparison to Greendale Community College's completely inoffensive, gender- and race-non-specific joke mascot on NBC's Community: the Greendale Human Being. (Warning: the mascot is terrifying.)

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  1. Zeb   6 years ago

    When are these administrators going to learn that you don't apologize and back down every time some whacko activists complain about something? There will always be someone with a new grievance. It never ends. You can't make angry college activists happy. Their whole thing is to find something to be outraged about and they will always find something.

    1. CGN   6 years ago

      Good comment, Zeb. When did college admins get so pussified? THEY are in control of the campus, NOT mentally ill people like trans folks.

    2. Cynical Asshole   6 years ago

      The most egregious example of that is still the Evergreen State College administrator after the protests there last year.

      I swear, watching that report that Moynihan did for Vice news, where he interviewed the president of the University after he'd been essentially held captive in his office. It was like watching what someone who had recently completed a struggle session in Maoist China must have sounded like.

    3. Tony   6 years ago

      Whereas all the stupid petty bullshit that outrages you is legitimate.

      1. Tu­lpa AKA "feeling smug"   6 years ago

        So you're saying you're not legitimate.

        1. MarkLastname   6 years ago

          No way Tony's father's ever gonna acknowledges he's his.

      2. Zeb   6 years ago

        I'm really not a terribly outraged person. I think I do well at saving it for less petty things. I'm not outraged at this. Just think it's a dumb move by administrators if they want their institutions to be what they claim to be. It's hardly new. The same kind of shit went on when I was in college 20 years ago. But something seems to be coming to a head.

      3. Chipper Morning Baculum   6 years ago

        I see a lot of outrage on this topic from people that will never step foot on the campus of Mount Holyoke, or even probably meet anyone that went there.

        1. Res ipsa loquitur   6 years ago

          You would be very wrong in your assumption.

          My Grandmother attended Mt Holyoke and my ex-wife earned her masters from Smith College, one of the 7 sister colleges where woke people go to school. I spent quite a bit of time on the campuses, really rather amusing.

          I'm a combat vet and lawyer who sat in some of my wife's courses, always interesting. The children screaming for attention in these classes truly have zero understanding of the world or what power is or how the world exists outside their bubble. One of the best things about life, is life is the greatest teacher. These kids better hope the U.S. continues to keep much of the rest of the world at bay or they are in for a very powerful life lesson.

          1. perlchpr   6 years ago

            And the lessons can be really harsh.

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

          "I see a lot of outrage on this topic from people that will never step foot on..."

          Applies to any given subject on any given day. Or, no one has any business talking about something unless they have literally been there and done that and gotten a degree AND a t shirt.

          Shut down the whole frigging internet why don't you?

        3. MarkLastname   6 years ago

          Do you live on the border? If not, why get so outraged about a border wall?

  2. StackOfCoins   6 years ago

    "Vice President Charles Greene apologized recently for proposing a logo that "represents the erasure of others," and announced that administrators were going back to the drawing board:"

    What a cuck.

    1. CGN   6 years ago

      Stack of Shit is another moron who doesn't know what the word "cuckold" means. I will leave it to S.O.S. to look up the definition so he (she, it?) can realize what a dolt he (she, it?) is.

      1. a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf   6 years ago

        CGN is a compressed turd who doesn't recognize that "cuck" and "cuckold" are spelled differently and have different meanings.

      2. StackOfCoins   6 years ago

        "Stack of Shit is another moron who doesn't know what the word "cuckold" means. I will leave it to S.O.S. to look up the definition so he (she, it?) can realize what a dolt he (she, it?) is."

        What a cuck.

    2. cc2   6 years ago

      This thing about "erasure" is so nuts. Anything short of having a wild party for them is "erasure". Until like 5 minutes ago the average person had probably never knowingly been around a trans person. I saw a very muscular young man in a dress, and he was so gone that his friend had to lead him around by the elbow. I knew a scientist who became a very ugly woman (late 50s when he transitioned). That is pretty much it in my entire life.

  3. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

    How about not wasting money on logos?

  4. Ornithorhynchus   6 years ago

    Maybe they could use the old Prince symbol. I seem to remember that Prince initially claimed it was meant to be a combination of the traditional Mars and Venus symbols.

    1. Ornithorhynchus   6 years ago

      Anyway, I'm pretty sure Prince won't be needing it anymore.

      1. DenverJ   6 years ago

        Too soon

      2. DenverJ   6 years ago

        Too soon

        1. newshutz   6 years ago

          too many squirrels

    2. StackOfCoins   6 years ago

      It looks like the Venus symbol playing a crazy looking trombone.

      1. DenverJ   6 years ago

        I dare you to search google for that

      2. Chipper Morning Baculum   6 years ago

        Is it rusty?

    3. Fancylad   6 years ago

      Is there a symbol for infertility?

      1. Chipper Morning Baculum   6 years ago

        Why, yes. The man bun.

      2. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

        The e-cigarette.

  5. Social Justice is neither   6 years ago

    Sorry Robby, only reality impaired morons follow your "modern understanding" of the word woman. If you didn't see exactly this type of thing coming decades ago you weren't paying attention or don't have the cognitive abilities of a gnat.

    1. Mickey Rat   6 years ago

      Human nature has no history.

    2. Chipper Morning Baculum   6 years ago

      Don't you need to have some personal experience on the subject to speak on it?

  6. esteve7   6 years ago

    Imagine thinking your purpose in life is to bully wrong-thinkers

    1. Res ipsa loquitur   6 years ago

      Lot's of examples of this from the Church to the Pagans to the Communists to the Socialists to the etc.......

  7. CGN   6 years ago

    Transgenderism is a mental disability, not a reality. The name for humans with a penis and testicles is a male, and for humans with a vagina, a female. End of story. This whole problem arose due to stupid do gooders emoting rather than thinking. Once Trans folks leave the cocoon of colleges, they will find exactly NO ONE who will participate in their mental illness created nonsense that men are women or the opposite.

  8. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

    If it's a Women's college, why do they need a logo for gender?

    1. The Last American Hero   6 years ago

      Why does God need a spaceship?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

        How. DARE. You.

        "What does 'God' need with a starship?"

        1. BYODB   6 years ago

          You are now officially my hero.

    2. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

      If it's a women's college, why do they have "trans" students?

      1. MarkLastname   6 years ago

        Where else would Vietnamese people go to college?

        1. Marty Comanche   6 years ago

          Boo hiss.

  9. Eddy   6 years ago

    Sometimes it's hard to be a woman
    Having dangly bits just like a man

    1. Fancylad   6 years ago

      The worst part about being a woman at a women's college is having a raging erection in the showers.

      1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

        No, no, that's not a "raging erection", it's an "engorged clitoris".

  10. Eddy   6 years ago

    You know, I feel like a coed, can I enroll?

    1. Eddy   6 years ago

      Did I say coed? I meant single sex-ed, with me being the single sex they need.

      1. Res ipsa loquitur   6 years ago

        lesbian trapped in a male body ????? Crazy enough to work.

        1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

          This could get complex?is it possible to be multiply trans? Like, a woman with a male body suffering from an overwhelming need to be cismale? What would the treatment be?

          1. Fancylad   6 years ago

            A slap and being told to "grow up and don't be so fucking stupid", although that treatment would probably be effective for 99% of trans cases in general.

      2. perlchpr   6 years ago

        I can tell you that I am definitely the single sex those college ladies need. Rowr. Wildest 10 seconds of their lives, I tell you what.

  11. Rockabilly   6 years ago

    DUH!!!!!

  12. Jgalt1975   6 years ago

    Who's this "our," kemosab

  13. Ecoli   6 years ago

    How about the infinity symbol? Maybe that has been copy-righted by Bezos after he checked his on-line account balance?

  14. Cynical Asshole   6 years ago

    Vice President Charles Greene apologized recently for proposing a logo that "represents the erasure of others,"

    So... is there a long history I've somehow never heard about concerning cis-gendered women attempting genocide against trans women and using the Venus symbol as their calling card, like maybe burning wooden Venus symbols on the lawns of trans women's houses in the middle of the night or something? I don't get how that symbol possibly "represents the erasure of others." But then again, I'm not a retarded SJW.

    1. Marty Comanche   6 years ago

      It doesn't matter that it's illogical. The point is that it's not a huge leap from previous positions that they've held. This is just advancing the narrative. Sometimes a good story requires suspension of disbelief.

  15. Sevo   6 years ago

    "Vice President Charles Greene apologized recently for proposing a logo that "represents the erasure of others," and announced that administrators were going back to the drawing board:"

    VP Greene shoulda' said "Up yours", and gone on to take care of business.

  16. IceTrey   6 years ago

    Why would trans women have a problem with the female sign? They want to be considered female right? They attend a woman's college.

    1. Eddy   6 years ago

      Logic is a cis male construct.

  17. Mickey Rat   6 years ago

    So a Venus logo represents "erasure of others" because the transwomem do not actually think of themselves as women?

    Gee, Soave your statement that the Venus logo is appropriate for Mt. Holyoke could be taken as benign but ignorant.

    1. Zeb   6 years ago

      Well, I can see part of it. It's a fertility symbol, which does leave out trans people (assuming they don't have or won't use the equipment to do it).

      But that's a bit like being angry at the clouds or something. It's not going to get you anywhere to be pissed at reality for not making you an actual woman.

      1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

        Reality is part of patriarchal oppression.

      2. perlchpr   6 years ago

        It's not going to get you anywhere to be pissed at reality for not making you an actual woman.

        ERASURE!

  18. Gaear Grimsrud   6 years ago

    "Consistent with our modern understanding that the term "woman" includes those who were not born with female sex characteristics" That's not my understanding modern or otherwise. I'm happy to call them Ms. or Cindy or Muffy or whatever they want to be called but they are not women. Human beings born female have the magical ability to create other human beings. Human beings born male do not and can not no matter how much surgery you perform.

    1. The Last American Hero   6 years ago

      Something something xx, xy...something.

      #IFLS

    2. Zeb   6 years ago

      Hell, I'll even call them trans-women if they want. But that's still a separate category from women. Given that we are animals who won't be around for long if most of us don't reproduce, it's kind of a useful category. It's not as if its some arbitrary discrimination like declaring a race inferior or something.

      1. DenverJ   6 years ago

        Except the Irish, amiright?

    3. steve walsh   6 years ago

      Agreed. Who's this 'our' to which he refers? Is it a big group?

  19. The Last American Hero   6 years ago

    Good. More of this, please.

    Just like Evergreen, the people running these institutions have spent decades cultivating this nonsense and cheering when others ran into it.

    Time to take a nice nap in that bed you made, professor.

    1. Marty Comanche   6 years ago

      They don't connect their past bad actions to current bad outcomes. It's either completely different and unexpected, or they need to evolve. It's like Seinfeld. No hugging. No learning.

      1. BYODB   6 years ago

        Well when you specifically declare reason and logic as part of the patriarchy, what other result would one expect? One might even ask what, precisely, one learns at this school since they have precluded learning from their curriculum.

  20. airforce   6 years ago

    I keep looking at that loge, and honest to God I don't see a Venus symbol anywhere. What am I missing? I feel miserable.

    1. Eddy   6 years ago

      Ignore the "M" (the black and blue parts).

      1. Chipper Morning Baculum   6 years ago

        Nice, Eddie. You found the hidden meaning in the symbol.

  21. Brian   6 years ago

    This is all part of the education.

    The students who can protest all proposed logos are awarded bachelors degrees in sociology on the spot.

  22. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

    President Charles Greene

    Appears women can't even crack the glass ceiling at an all women's college.

    1. Eddy   6 years ago

      Maybe he's a she and simply feels comfortable with the name Charles.

      You know, like George Sand.

      1. DenverJ   6 years ago

        Or Tom Cruise.

        1. MarkLastname   6 years ago

          Or Robin Wright.

  23. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

    Oh, you know what else I think is funny? There are people, being paid six figures to sit at a board room table and think about this.

  24. Eddy   6 years ago

    OT - for those with access to the New York Times, here's an article suggesting that Planned Parenthood discriminates against pregnant employees.

    1. Zeb   6 years ago

      Maybe they just didn't plan enough. Bad for the brand.

  25. No Longer Amused   6 years ago

    A man being kicked in the nuts should be appropriate.

    1. Eddy   6 years ago

      No, because she might be a transwoman.

    2. Chipper Morning Baculum   6 years ago

      Don't bring your kinks into this.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    I like that logo. It's clever. But there's nothing more woman than bickering over trivialities, so they should probably make a logo out of that.

  27. AlmightyJB   6 years ago

    Since gender is merely a social construct, wouldn't all logos be gender neutral?

  28. Barnstormer   6 years ago

    "...even though our understanding of what it means to be a woman has evolved....."

    Does Robby actually believe this bile?

    1. AlmightyJB   6 years ago

      He never learned what women were for. It's very sad.

    2. Marty Comanche   6 years ago

      Yes. He also doesn't understand how he's complicit in all of this. No hugging. No learning.

  29. Curly4   6 years ago

    Now that is a politically correct thing to do. There is no need for gender in this age. Go man Go. no that is not correct so I guess it is Go thing go! That is better.

  30. Longtobefree   6 years ago

    How a great big zero?

    To represent the number of balls the administration has
    To represent that there are zero things that do not offend someone, somewhere
    To represent the IQ of a college graduate these days
    To represent the number of damns I give about this

    ( and even there, I suspect the IT students will be offended the one is excluded - - - - - - )

  31. DenverJ   6 years ago

    Sometime, in the far future, historians will debate the date that truly marks the end of western civilization. Is this that date?

    1. Azathoth!!   6 years ago

      It's interesting, when 'people' do talk about the 2000s, the most salient thing is always that the world ended in the Year 2000.

      But they're looking at it through lenses lifetimes long--and, let's be honest, WAAAY too many of them are natives wanting people to 'talk' about things that are important to them

      It's pretty sad really--especially coming from beings who are perfectly aware that they can be anywhen they've are going to have been.

  32. Inigo Montoya   6 years ago

    I wonder what will happen when a caucasian student who no longer identifies with their birth race and declares themselves transracial applies to an historically black college like Howard or Morehouse. I'm sure something like that will occur any day now. What will the SJWs and their academic department enablers do then?

    1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

      You're assuming that progs are bothered by inconsistency in their behavior or pretend to have principles of general application. They would simply tell that student, "you don't get to define yourself?you're white! The white rules apply to you!"

  33. Jerry B.   6 years ago

    "Mount Holyoke is a women's liberal arts college in South Hadley, Massachusetts"

    Seems sort of exclusionary to me. And I can find nothing on their ebsite about admitting people who are not women. Hardly sounds progressive at all.

  34. Voluble   6 years ago

    Our understanding of what it means to be a woman has not "evolved." If anything it has devolved to the point where the words "he" and "she" no longer convey any information. If one can be the other merely by the asking then neither word has any meaning.

    It is not an exaggeration to say that our college administrators have a poorer understanding of the subject than the average Kindergartner.

    1. ipsquire   6 years ago

      Is it so hard to understand that there are a small minority of people who don't fit neatly into generally applicable groups? The annoying thing is when tiny minority groups expect large majorities to behave as though the exceptions are more common than they are, not when they push to be recognized at all. "She" almost always refers to a person born and mostly identifying as female. That doesn't mean the kindergarten version is right.

      1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

        But the number of people who can't be easily and definitively identified as either male or female is tiny. Very, very few "transgender" people are in that condition. For practical purposes, the kindergarten version IS right.

  35. creech   6 years ago

    Maybe they should work on their name? Mount Holyoke is reportedly named for an English settler/explorer, Elizur Holyoke, who exploited the local Indians circa 1650. Is MHC celebrating Native American genocide?

  36. yet another dave   6 years ago

    Is there something in the water? It's something in the water isn't it? We should check, cause there seems to be a lot of fella's in the generation in college right now that think they are female...

    1. Jerryskids   6 years ago

      It's like "acting white" - the lower-status culture imitates the dominant culture to elevate their social standing. Guess who's the dominant culture? Everybody wants to be the victim now, victims are our heroes and the more victimized you are the more privileged you become, the powerless the most powerful. Wallowing in self-pity and self-aggrandizing grievance has become the most admirable of traits. It's like we've become a nation of 8th grade girls.

  37. SukieTawdry   6 years ago

    Isn't the Greendale Human Being a tad speciest?

  38. gaoxiaen   6 years ago

    Can I identify as a woman and study there?

  39. Fats of Fury   6 years ago

    Check out Amazon's There's More than 2 Genders t Shirt. However they are only available in two fits, men or women.

  40. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Although on its side it does kind of look like a Venus symbol on a scissor lift. Without a hardhat.

  41. Rob Misek   6 years ago

    "Consistent with our modern understanding that the term "woman" includes those who were not born with female sex characteristics".

    Well that's your first mistake. You fail.

    Is that all it takes to be a woman? A little makeup and a claim? That's a pretty low standard for admittance. To hell with science and logic at another school for "women".

    1. Rob Misek   6 years ago

      And have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. That defines a woman.

      Beam me up Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here.

      1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

        Not all men who present themselves as women have gender dysphoria. There are several different causes and motivations for that behavior. That's one of the problems with the "transgender" concept?it lumps together distinct and different conditions and choices.

        1. Rob Misek   6 years ago

          Yes, but are men really women if they don't have gender dysphoria?

          In our "modern understanding".

          1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

            The "modern understanding" is that men are really women if they say they are.

            1. Rob Misek   6 years ago

              So an insincere claim by a sexual male predator would qualify him for entry to all female only areas, in our "modern understanding". Nice.

              Well I don't agree. I never will.

              1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

                These days even questioning the sincerity of such a claim could have serious legal and career consequences.

  42. Liberty Lover   6 years ago

    How about a brain, with a circle with a bar through it, imposed over the brain.

  43. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

    "...which resembles the symbol for Venus when turned on its side"

    Are these people actually spending any time studying [anything but offense and outrage at every possible opportunity]?

    No one is really "offended" but for a few useful idiots who would actually buy into this nonsense; it is about "hey, we are a very small group of malcontents and let's see what we can find to wag the dog." And so far it is working pretty well for them, at least on college campuses and twit space.

  44. MayneDeWayne   6 years ago

    Gay

  45. MayneDeWayne   6 years ago

    If you turn the hand gesture of the peace sign upside down, it resembles someone who isn't wearing any pants, and should be banned for promoting sex degeneracy.

  46. Sigivald   6 years ago

    "Get woke, go broke", I guess.

    Go broke faster, please.

    (MHC is plainly not going to provide good education for its exorbitant prices, so ... it's doing a disservice to everyone going there.

    Shut down tomorrow, guys.)

  47. mamabug   6 years ago

    "...even though our understanding of what it means to be a woman has evolved....."

    No. No it hasn't.

    How the current wave of feminists has failed to recognize that the transgendered movement is the single most anti-woman current in western thought is beyond me.

    Actually, no, I do kind of get it. A transgendered woman is the kind of woman they keep trying to turn the rest of us into - a man in a skirt. Oops, I meant a white pantsuit.

    1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

      There has long been an anti-woman subtext to feminism that the sexists are right that femininity really is inferior to masculinity, and that women can be liberated only to the extent that they become men.

      1. mamabug   6 years ago

        True to some degree, it's why I define myself as a one-and-a-half-wave feminist and can't fully get on board with wave 2.

        But the embrace of transgendered women as women is just so bizarre. It is denying the very fundamental point of feminism as proven by allowing them to compete in women's sports, attend women's schools, and act as spokespeople for women's issues.

  48. BYODB   6 years ago


    This has created one unexpected issue: Trans activist students and their allies are fighting a proposed new logo for the school, which resembles the symbol for Venus when turned on its side.

    I sort of love the fact these moron's didn't see this coming from miles away. They are indeed going to eat their own with this insanity.

    1. BYODB   6 years ago


      Call me crazy, but a slightly disguised reference to the Venus sign seems like a good way to acknowledge Mount Holyoke's history as a women's college?to acknowledge that it is a campus for all people who identify as women, even though our understanding of what it means to be a woman has evolved.

      Also, this is batshit insanity. If our understanding on what it means to be a woman has evolved than being a woman doesn't mean anything. The entire point of having a 'women's university' is lost in the static.

      1. mamabug   6 years ago

        YES! I attended a woman's university. The entire case for female-only schooling (at least at the time, before feminists completely overtook K-12 and made it anti-boy) was a recognition of the fact that social dynamics work differently in co-ed and single-sex groups. It was supposed to create an environment where women could feel free to excel in academics, sports, and leadership without social pressure to step back and let the men run things.

        Not arguing the merits of that one way or the other, but how is this an example of men not taking over and running things according to their priorities and agenda?

        1. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

          They don't dare recognize that's what is happening because they can't question the dogma that "trans" women are really women. It was a cute story, but in real life the boy who said "the Emperor has no clothes" would have been gagged and thrown in a dungeon.

      2. Vernon Depner   6 years ago

        This is the central contradiction of the branch of feminism that holds that women aren't equal to men until they are the same as men in virtually every way?50% of the jobs in every field, 50% of the seats in government, 50% of the child care and housework, 50% of the parts in movies and TV, 50% of the armed forces, etc., etc. How can you promote and celebrate femaleness while at the same time insisting that sex is practically insignificant?

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