Donald Trump Suggests Unfair Media Coverage of His Presidency Could Be Illegal
"Should be tested in courts, can't be legal? Only defame & belittle! Collusion?"

President Trump has once again taken the position that criticism of him is, or ought to be, illegal.
On Sunday morning, he railed against "one-sided coverage" of his presidency, tweeting this:
A REAL scandal is the one sided coverage, hour by hour, of networks like NBC & Democrat spin machines like Saturday Night Live. It is all nothing less than unfair news coverage and Dem commercials. Should be tested in courts, can't be legal? Only defame & belittle! Collusion?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 16, 2018
No, the real scandal is the president's oft-stated desire to censor his opponents.
Trump's tweet is as wrongheaded as it is incoherent. (Collusion? What?) The First Amendment protects the right of the people to speak out against the government, even if the president thinks such speech is one-sided or unfair. This has already been tested in court numerous times throughout the Bill of Rights' 200-year history.
It's true that not all speech enjoys legal protection. But as a general rule, speech is only considered defamatory if it meets certain criteria: reckless disregard for the truth, actual malice, etc. And obviously, true statements of fact can't be defamatory. Just because Trump doesn't like what NBC and SNL are saying about him, this does not mean what they are saying is wrong, let alone defamatory.
Trump has First Amendment rights too, and thus he is free to make appalling statements. But everyone in the conservative camp ought to condemn his remarks. Press freedom is a cornerstone of American democracy, and while it's true that many presidents have sought to undermine it—including recent presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama—few have proclaimed their desire so openly.
Related: Corie Whalen, former communications director for libertarian-friendly Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.), recently penned a worthwhile essay about Trump's takeover of the conservative movement and how it has harmed—perhaps destroyed—the libertarian Republican cause.
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Still not tired of winning.
MAGA
Still not capable of reading or comprehending either.
MAIA.
"Still not capable of reading or comprehending either."
Your intellectual problems are not our concern.
It's okay a-ahf, you're doing just fine. Reading comprehension is hard but I have faith in you.
Donald J Trump is the most press-friendly world leader since Gutenberg invented the damn thing.
FABULOUS satire!!
Go away Hihn.
Right-wing thugs been burning books, censoring speech and burning witches for centuries.
The authoritarian right.
If I can be bullied, it won't be by a mouthy 10-year-old.
Here, Michael, let someone with functioning brain cells fix this for you--
There. All better. Now have someone change you and go lie down.
And Joe McCarthy was a librul Democrat! (snort)
Good correction, well done.
6 more years!
He has a lot in common with John Adams. That should be a compliment, but alas, John Adams sank far after his initial good work, and proved himself to be nothing but a statist whose only objection to the British was that they were in charge, not him.
Adams popped into my mind as soon as I saw the article.
At the risk of being banned again by Reason - I agree completely.
We will miss you - -
Spend more time at the range practicing.
Do you know who else sought legal measures against "the conscious political lie"? (Besides Beto?)
Trump has less regard for the Constitution than the left does. That's quite an accomplishment.
Ha! No. The left has managed to wipe their ass with literally the entire Bill of Rights. It's not just a couple of them either, the standing marching orders for the left are all counter to the US Constitution.
If certain super special groups feelz bad, anyone else's rights and freedoms are immediately null and void. Any actions taken upon the accused are immediately forgiven, no matter how egregious.
As a member of the left, I always hate it when we're given standing marching orders. They're so confusing. Which is it?! Standing or marching?!
Tell us your crazed bullshit about 1A, 2A and 9A
Left - Right = Zero
Speaking of crazed bullshit, there's the Hihnfection.
Don't be such a pussy. Tell us YOUR crazed bullshit about 1A, 2A and 9A. (snort)
Left - Right = Zero
The "left" might not be perfect, but they agree with us Koch / Reason libertarians on the most important Constitutional right of all ? the right to access abortion care.
The right of a person to choose whether some screeching infant shits on her life forever might actually be more immediate than the right to blog about stuff, depending on the circumstances.
It's really gross how cavalier babyciders are with the entire concept of life. In fairness, the deity of the three primary monotheisms is a straight-up murderer.
And that deity, not to mention centuries of common law, always had a bargain with women. If the baby makes it past the cooch, try to keep it alive. Otherwise, you're cool.
Is baby cider then new thing Planned Parenthood is now selling?
Was this authoritarian goober brainwashed by the "baby parts" video? ... .
.... Too gooberly to notice that the text on the right do NOT match the words in the audio!!! ....
.... While HE feeds living adults into a woodchipper?
.... And bellows like a jackass!
It's as if the Nazi brownshirts have been reborn as the same moral hypocrites denounced by Christ ....
... Even MORE obedient to authority.
Thank GOD our Founders guaranteed Separation, to protect us from their modern Salem.
If he created life he has the right to do with as he pleases. Also he can't be a murderer by definition.
So Jesus was full of shit! Who knew?
Absolutely fucking amazing. If you have a housemate you should ask them "Do I sound like a serial killer here?" each time before you post.
I've never had an abortion unlike countless Trump mistresses.
I guess jelly babies don't count?
Umm, they don't count, chump.
And men don't get abortions.
Go ahead, say something even wackier.
You should ask, "Do I sound like a brainwashed right-wing authoritarian, in my TOTAL ignorance and/or contempt for Equal, Unalienable and/or God-Given Rights?"
There may be very few libertarians in this commentariat, but we have known for a half-century that right and left are both dominated by authoritarian puppets, dancing on opposing strings. And a growing majority of Americans now agree with us.
Your time has expired, following dinosaurs and dodo birds toward extinction.
See? The sockpuppet makes positive contributions now and then.
it's hardly the most important Constitutional right, but it's one of the best examples of how the Authoritarian Right DESPISES the core principle of unalienable rights.
Yeah this is peanuts compared to when the Left was torturing people without trial... oh no that was Republicans too.
Obama closed GITMO?
Do you take regular showers?
Do the golden variety count?
Remember how CIA black sites and off the books torture houses definitely, probably, maybe didn't double in number under Hillary's watch?
Remember how drone warfare and assassinations even in allied countries totally didn't increase a hundredfold?
Remember how Barry and Hillary fixed Libya and Yemen along with Iraq and Afghanistan?
Tony remembers...
"Remember how CIA black sites and off the books torture houses definitely, probably, maybe didn't double in number under Hillary's watch?"
Remember how Hillary isn't President, and never was? Or do you know something we don't know. Are you here from the future?
Um she was secretary of state when that shit happened.
Remember how she was Secretary of State and responsible for that shit?
Is dub step still a thing? Which Sharknado are we on?
The same bat-shit crazy delusions as you? TONY?
Michael, you can't sockpuppet twice on the same post. It confuses you. You trip up too easily.
You're not like a normal person, Michael.
You're subnormal.
Now relax.
And please, can we get an orderly to change him? It's clear he enjoys it too much to do it himself.
DO THEY STILL TORTURE PEOPLE THERE, GOOBER?
Yeah, some empty threats from Trump are way worse than drone-executing citizens with no warning or due process. Way worse than starting bombing campaigns in several countries, worse than locking up a bunch of Japanese, worse than segregating the civil service, expanding war into a neighboring country, among other things.
Well there was also Hitler. He's way better than Hitler.
And Kennedy, and Johnson, and Reagan, and Bush I, and Clinton, and Bush II and Obama.
Probably not Nixon though. Nixon ended American involvement in Vietnam and ended the draft. Started diplomatic relations with China and d?tente and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviets. He also transferred power from D.C. to the states.
Nixon was was way better than Trump, agreed.
I have to agree although somewhat reluctantly.
Praising Nixon for Vietnam? Wow! Don't forget to praise him for bombing the shit out of Cambodia and killing lots of civilians, too. Also, his domestic policy, which he did not care about as much as foreign policy, was mostly bsd.
In addition, he persuaded South Vietnam to walk away from peace talks right before the 1968 election, in order to help Nixon's chances. Hitchens excoriated him for that, though you never know whether the talks would have been successful.
bad, not bsd.
Nixon also screwed our currency and gave us a decade of lost economic growth (helped by Carter, of course). Trump's leftist economic policies seem right in line with the Nixon's idiotic incompetence.
But Nixon did cause libertarians to form a party, and a good one at that!
"some empty threats from Trump are way worse than drone-executing citizens with no warning or due process. Way worse than starting bombing campaigns in several countries, worse than locking up a bunch of Japanese, worse than segregating the civil service, expanding war into a neighboring country, among other things."
Give the guy a break. He's still learning the job. Not working very hard at it, admittedly, but somebody told him that the job consisted of mostly watching Fox News and sending out stupid tweets, so he thought he had it nailed down.
Obama did a shit ton if renditions to other countries. He also executed citizens with drones sans trial.
Who cares what Obama did? He isn't the fucking president.
Jesse posts when he's not slurping Trump's cock, as his most obedient troll.
Gonna need some sites for that.
He talks a mean-anti-liberty line but the left starting 'way back with that scumbag FDR has him well covered.
You mean Wilson
Who, admittedly, was FDR's mentor
Left - Right = Zero
Both eager tools of the power elite.
What has done that is against the constitution in regards to the 1a? Actions. Not words. He's allowed to speak his mind as well.
Several violations of Separation, that your type would never recognize anyhow.
I thought the whole point of being libertarian was to *escape* the left-right dichotomy?
C'mon guys, it's not a competition. There's plenty of suck on both sides.
NONE of those goobers are libertarian.
BOTH are the enemies of liberty.
a/k/a thugs.
Didn't it used to be illegal with the "newspaper and broadcast cross-ownership rule?"
Essentially it was an attempt at anti-monopoly legislation for news organizations. Not that it would prevent the current scenario, where the vast majority of the media are hatchet men after the sitting US President. I blame that more on our shitty university, grants and student loans system.
And the deep state. And that Obama from Kenya. And all other conspiracies brainwashed by your puppetmasters.
" reckless disregard for the truth, actual malice, etc."
Sounds like the mainstream media to me.
I no longer even trust the dateline of the NYT / WaPo etc.
Disaffected, anti-social, envious, resentful, no-count losers always hate the mainstream.
Let the hate flow through you!
You mistake condescension and disdain for hate.
He is Arth Vader.
"Disaffected, anti-social, envious, resentful, no-count losers always hate the mainstream."
You really are jealous of those with the intelligence to read between lines, loser asshole.
Nailing your ass doe NOT equate to jealousy! (lol)
Another brainwashed stooge of Fox Pravda
Ideally, yes. But unfortunately there are only a handful of respectable, patriotic conservatives left. David Frum, Jennifer Rubin, and Max Boot will undoubtedly stand up for our Constitutional freedoms like they have been doing ever since the alt-right took over the GOP.
Most Republicans and conservatives, however, will fall in line behind Orange Hitler. If colluding with Russia to steal the election, enacting draconian immigration restrictions, and putting Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court were not enough for them to denounce Drumpf? Well then, I seriously doubt more bad tweets will convince them they're on the wrong side of history.
Yeah I know you're just trolling - but you are right. Pretty much ALL R's and conservatives will fall right in goosestepping formation behind Orange youknowwho.
I thought goosestepping was a leftist social signal?
The Soviets, the National Socialist Workers Party, the Cubans, the Viet Kong, the North Koreans, the Red Army, the Khmer Rouge, the East Germans, SFR Yugoslavia, the Romanian People's Republic, the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Communist Albania... all goosesteppers.
"... all goosesteppers."
You left out the jokers in Virginia with their tiki torches.
Swing...
And a miss
So, Nardz, you have again equated yourself to the alt-right savagery in Charlottesville.
You don't know what the word "equated" means, do you?
Let's now HUMILIATE Nardz-the-goober ... yet again! (snort)
Shame on Trump and the party who defends him
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is ... treason
These are Nazis, Racists and Jew-Haters. Ivanka and Jerod are Jewish.
Trump threw his own daughter under a bus, playing to the very worst in his base SHAMEFUL.
Why is Nardz so PROUD to defend fascists and racists?
Right Wing Uber Alles!!!!
(vomit fills my mouth)
Michael!
See, this is what we mean. You're absolutely worthless when you get onto a thread and slowly populate every response--eventually sitting there screaming at yourself for bullying you.
You havr got to stop with the endless sockpuppets.
And now you need to be hosed off as well as changed.
Oh, Michael, do you stink so badly that the Reaper himself avoids you?
Right-wing snowflakes shout down inconvenient proof. As they have for centuries.
Standing with neo-nazis and white nationalists, As they have for centuries.
(smirk) Hitler was on the right ... to anyone not a brainwashed right-wing goober. Your gullibility and ignorance are the primary reasons that libertarians (properly) equate you people with your fellow authoritarians on the left.
"you people"?? Racist!!
Pussy,
Left...right...what's the difference? They are the same. Do you want to get beaten with the left end of the steel rod or the right end? And the idiots here are arguing over which end is slightly worse. How about growing spines, standing up, grabbing the fucking rod and fighting back? Instead you want to grovel over which master may beat you slightly less, may beat the other simpering animals more than you.
^^this!
"goober"
Found Kirkland's newest sock.
The Rev says "clingers" -- as yet another wacko conspiracy EXPLODES into the puss of Fancylad, the Authoritarian right.
"another one bites ... another one bites ... another one bites THE DUST."
(sneer)
Hitler was on the right?
But, Michael, you said "left + right = zero"
Which is it, Michael?
According to you, Hitler was on the 'right' which is the 'left'.
Hitler was the Authoritarian Right ... just like you!
You also fucked up Left - Right = Zero, a libertarian slogan for 50 years.
(Watch the cyber-bully fuck up again!)
Sorry leftists have no monopoly on goose-stepping..
Orange Hitler? What are you, a 5th grader? Your collusion comment is just silly. And how does the president enact immigration restrictions? Congress enacts laws, not the president. Apparently you are mad at the president for enforcing the law. And Kavanaugh? Please!
I know, I should not feed the troll.
You're right, "Orange Hitler" is over the top. "Orange Hilary" is a more apt description of the piece of authoritarian shit in the white house.
"And how does the president enact immigration restrictions? Congress enacts laws, not the president. "
The Executive Branch executes those laws, and often has some leeway in how the laws are executed. C'mon, man.
Plus, as the leader of the Republican Party, Trump has some sway over the views of his constituency, and can push Congress to take up laws or policies he favors.
The "impartial media" runs a continuous political campaign, giving tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars of 'in-kind' contributions to Democrats, Look at the dozens of Robert Francis fluff pieces, for an excellent example.
These articles are run with the desire to help certain politicians, or to harm others. If campaign finance laws are being applied honestly, then how can that media coverage be legal?
"It's called earned media. It's worth billions. Next question?"
TheStreet
That's like describing assault and battery as a free deep tissue massage. He got loads of free media, and it consisted of attacks on him.
Sure, incompetent attacks, because the media didn't understand his appeal. But still attacks.
it consisted of attacks on him.
Why the fuck do you think he appeals? Because every single person who has been pissed on for decades by elites and coasties stands up and cheers when he is attacked and fights back. No attack - no fight back. Which means - no attack and he'd have to appeal to those folks as a narcissistic draft-dodging billionaire who's probably never had a callus on his hands and certainly has never had to face the consequences of what he says in different circumstances (say - a bar on a weekend where people who get pissed off at an asshole don't resort to tweeting).
Yeah - the media/pols that do hate him are incompetent at realizing the source of his appeal. But that is incompetent. Not some new phenomenon of 1st amendment being used to attack.
Most of those people are pissed on for good reason.
They were losers and malcontents when this started. They'll be losers and malcontent when this ends.
"I so hate Americans!"
Only the assholes with their anti-American thuggery.
It's amazing how progressives think belittling and offending average Americans will somehow convert them into allies.
Try reading the comments on a WaPo article about the yellow vests
Total shitshow of smug and ignorant
I belittle below-average Americans, not average Americans.
I belittle below-average Americans, not average Americans.
You personify below-average Americans, Artie.
'belittle' doesn't have anything to do with your adult crack-baby fetish.
Neither of the two is a progressive, Gomer.
I'm an average midwest American and I hate most Americans too. They are simpering cowards for the most part, just begging for a strong man to come and save them from all the scary stuff in the universe. The Alt right and progs are just two sides of the same cowardly, bitch-ass coin. Simply look at the shit the right wants now too. Medicare...increased welfare...economic intervention to help them compete with foreigners...censorship of meanies....
The right wing people here want to act like their own socialist garbage is somehow less toxic because the left does it too...Well, I've got news for you...being a cowardly welfare rat isn't mutually exclusive.
OHMIGOD, a libertarian sneaked into this right-wing snake pit. Now THREE on this page.
Thanks for your comment, Arth Vader.
How large is your kindergarten class?
And why is Trump your teacher?
Thank you for supporting my argument. Almost $5 billion in the primaries alone.
Tell me, how much benefit do you think his opponent got after that, when there were no other Republicans and 95% of his media coverage was negative?
"Tell me, how much benefit do you think his opponent got after that"
Most of the popular vote, including all of the illegal aliens, of course, but not enough electoral votes.
When did 48.5% become "most"?
When did 48.5% become relevant to the real issue.
That's a pretty dishonest insinuation Moo Cow. Getting called a babykilling rapist isn't exactly promotional.
"The 'impartial media' runs a continuous political campaign, giving tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars of 'in-kind' contributions to Democrats, Look at the dozens of Robert Francis fluff pieces, for an excellent example."
Is the "fair and balanced" media included within the "impartial media"?
Even Fox's coverage was more negative than positive for trump dumbass. They have studies you can educate yourself with.
Head jammed up your ass again! Show us the links, winger.
No, it's true. Republicans thought Trump was an ignorant buffoon, until they hitched their wagons to hiim
Not Fox.
"...few have proclaimed their desire so openly."
No, few have proclaimed their desire so inartfully, Many politicians at that level have proclaimed such desires openly. He is essentially calling for some kind of version of a fairness doctrine, the ending of which had been openly lamented by many pols.
I believe he's specifically stated that he wants a end to the "public person" doctrine in libel law, where it's much harder for somebody in the news to win a libel suit than average people.
That is a legitimate criticism , but that libel law changes are a bit more nuanced and debatable than what Soave is suggesting Trump as advocating.
That's backwards, Brett. When it's not just stupid.
Trump squeezes out a turd and every journalist in the country runs over to examine it to see if they can delve some meaning out of the shape and the size and the texture and the color and the odor and the taste of the turd. Stop paying attention to Trump's turds, they don't mean a goddamn thing except that Trump can't go 5 minutes without dropping a turd on somebody or something because he thinks it's hilarious to watch how fast the flock of clucking hens show up to peck at it. That and because he's a seriously fucked-up individual.
The problem is that people who have actual power eat up those turds.
So true. And this is part of Trump's power, I think. That, at some level, he manipulates the left wing news media like puppets on strings, simply by tweeting ridiculous tweets. And then they dance for him. For whatever reason, they simply can't or won't ignore him. Ditto for most of his detractors in the general public. Perhaps we would all be better off if we just ignored him a bit.
Well, I was referring to his supporters, but ok.
Theyre not turds. Its sad but he is the most impartial media right now.
Poor snowflake.
"Just because Trump doesn't like what NBC and SNL are saying about him, this does not mean what they are saying is wrong, let alone defamatory."
While that's true, neither does it mean that it isn't wrong, and perhaps defamatory. It isn't actually that hard to identify things that have been reported about Trump that were objectively false, ("Hatgate", for instance.) and probably reported in actual knowledge of their falsity, or at least reckless indifference. Statements he's made, that were deliberately reported out of context.
Now, do I think he should be able to sue for this defamation? Nah, I'm a 1st amendment absolutist. But it's still true that some of the negative things that the media 'report' about him are defamatory, and likely deliberately so.
How could anyone possibly defame a man who extramaritally fucks a porn star while watching Shark Week?
The usual way, by saying something negative about them that's not true.
You're basically trying to say that, if you really don't like somebody, lying about them isn't defamation. But that's not how it works.
Lying like saying they were born in Kenya?
Leave Hillary and Obama's publisher out of this!
Pathetic. Trump's not worth defending. Especially when the defense is "he's too retarded to know better."
Actually, Tony, *everyone* is worth defending. That you will never understand this explains everything one would ever need to know about your world view.
I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. Everyone? Okay, defend Pol Pot.
Pol Pot was a friend of mine. Trump is no Pol Pot.
What it means, Tony, is that everyone has to have their rights respected. EVERYONE. So, yeah, even people you don't like are capable of being defamed, and we should care if they are, because a press that will lie about and defame Trump, won't stop with Trump.
If the truth about Trump were bad enough, they wouldn't need to bother with the lies.
The press is not defaming Trump. It's reporting on the batshit stuff he does on live TV. I'm sorry he's such a criminal idiot, but come on.
The press did, however, defame Barack Obama, every time fat Limbaugh or one of his ilk racistly questioned his birthplace, something Trump knows a little something about.
Left-wing dictators are usually defended by left-wing college professors, not Reason commentors.
Kenyan and Nigerian papers, his agent, all claim the 'Bama is Nigerian. His school records say Indonesian. https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8pmfn5v
By contrast, nobody in Canada proudly claims Ted Cruz as one of theirs.
So you're saying you agree with Trump.
I'm saying he's a big fat hypocrite, I believe.
"You're basically trying to say that, if you really don't like somebody, lying about them isn't defamation. But that's not how it works."
You are correct that that's not how it works. That's also not what anybody but you said.
If a person doesn't have a reputation for doing good things, then lying about them not doing good things doesn't harm their reputation. Thus, a suit for defamation fails because actual damages are one of the required elements of defamation torts.
extramaritally fucks a porn star while watching Shark Week
You say that like it's a bad thing.
So ... Cloudbuser would also fuck a porn star, shortly after his wife have birth to his own child.
No surprise. Trumptards be amoral.
But a man who extramaritally fucks a movie star, and probably wouldn't watch Shark Week due to his swim in the Pacific after his PT boat was sunk, gets a pass from the media, and that's OK with you?
It is hard to argue that the relentless negative coverage is objective journalism however.
Maybe Trump is objectively terrible. It's not like that wasn't in the cards.
If that's true then they have nothing to worry about.
It's been true for his entire life.
Even more so since he sold his very soul for Russian financing, when his many business failures caused US banks to shut him off entirely.
Then he got $400 million in an UNSECURED loan (cash) ... despite being THE worst credit risk in America ... from a convicted launderer of Russian money (Deutsche Bank). Whoooooooooosh
Good point. Compared to Gary, all the looter candidates are terrible. But Nixon & Co. subsidized their media campaigns via the IRS Code, so guess who got the brass ring?
Reporters now make even more blatant commentary, going beyond just reporting. Instead of just reporting "Trump's claims such-and-such", they now report "Trump, without evidence, claims such-and-such".
Thanks for proving you're a TOTAL loon.
WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE, puppet-dancing-on-a-string? Or are you merely illiterate?
I wonder if authoritarianism always starts with an idiot with a fragile ego in the right place at the right time.
Pretty much.
Yes, that explains FDR.
And Trump, whataboutist goober. And Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot .....
Is that how it started for you?
You know who else had a fragile ego?
Murray Gell-Mann?
millions of fragile egos, I think.
Democratic Party platform 1866.
Slavery was of course, ended in 1865 so the Democratic Party had to change.
.... into Republicans ... with the same Entitlement Mentality as your own.
Sometimes the deep state really is out to get you.
If there was such a thing. (lol)
Should be tested in courts, can't be legal?
"Actually, while at it, test EVERYTHING for legality!"
His legal argument is that this is considered an in-kind contribution. Election contributions and party contributions don't have to be cash. Free advertising from what he believes is completely one-sided coverage from CNN is a contribution.
I'm not saying I agree. In fact I don't like the limits on election law. I just think this article is being slightly intellectually dishonest.
His legal argument is that this is considered an in-kind contribution. Election contributions and party contributions don't have to be cash. Free advertising from what he believes is completely one-sided coverage from CNN is a contribution.
You got a citation for where you got that information from or is that just what you decided the turd meant after you pecked at it a bit?
The president being a dumpster fire is now an unfair campaign boon to Democrats. I've literally heard everything.
So much so it's probably an in-kind contribution of the campaign finance violation variety.
Nothing MSNBC reports on is not factual, and SNL gets to parody whatever it wants. Trump could try not to be objectively terrible at his job and a giant fucking criminal, but on the other hand it's never fun to watch a toddler try to do something he's incapable of.
Same reason it's not fun to read your outbursts.
"Nothing MSNBC reports on is not factual,"
Bullshit.
The scary thing is that Tony believes that.
HE'S not the dumbfuck who's been brainwashed by Fox Pravda ..... thus TOTALLY ignorant of the facts.
"Should be tested in courts, can't be legal? Only defame & belittle! Collusion?"
Collusion is illegal. Not sure whether what he's talking about fits that definition or even whether collusion should be illegal, but collusion is illegal.
Oh, and let's not forget about this classic tidbit from early in the Trump administration's tenure, when the White House press corp all but promised to collude against Trump:
"We're going to work together. You have tried to divide us and use reporters' deep competitive streaks to cause family fights. Those days are ending. We now recognize that the challenge of covering you requires that we cooperate and help one another whenever possible . . . . you're going to face a unified front."
----"An Open Letter to Trump from the US press corps"
Columbia Journalism Review
http://www.cjr.org/covering_tr....._corps.php
Trump is right about often being covered unfairly, as well. If the White House press corps wants to avoid being charged with covering the president unfairly, one of the things they might consider trying is covering him fairly.
If Coke and Pepsi collude to set prices it's illegal. Is there some way that memo does the same thing?
Otherwise, what could be illegal?
Like I said:
"Not sure whether what he's talking about fits that definition or even whether collusion should be illegal"
Whatever you want to call it, the White House press corps has treated him unfairly, and they all seem to be working together on that. I don't know that a broadcast license will be worth much in the future, but if Trump sends the FCC after the White House press for their shitty coverage, somebody let me know. In the meantime, let's not miss the forest for trees.
The forest is that the White House press corps sucks and has been, is, and will be totally out to get Trump.
I see the collision and trial tweet as sort of like a woodchipper reference around here. Nobody around here is actually breaking out a woodchipper for whatever political figure, and I seriously doubt Trump is about to bring collusion allegations against anybody for giving him shitty coverage.
"The forest is that the White House press corps sucks and has been, is, and will be totally out to get Trump."
The MSM has been, is, and will be the Enemy of the People.
Dont forget - big tech, public ed, universities, shit rags like reason has become, etc...
But you're ok with Republicans doing it.
How has this racist not been banned yet? Are we waiting for another article where Ken gets mad that Reason points out bigotry?
You suck.
Who's sock is this? Chemjeff's? Chipper's?
If you think Ken is racist, you have big problems.
FakeNews is the EnemyOfThePeople
Collusion is illegal. (lol) It's not even a legal TERM!
Oh, it's Shultz
Fuck off Kirkland.
Proven wrong, acts like a thug, just like Trump. Conspiracies EVERYWHERE!
(sneer)
Yeah, he's always been a narcissistic ass, even before he was president. Just normal behavior for him.
You don't try to become President if you're not a narcissist. Some narcissistic asses get exposed and exaggerated, some narcissistic asses get covered for.
To be fair, CNN has drifted into libel territory on a daily basis...
Name one, so I can cram it up your ass, punk.
Name more. I have a sledge hammer for your ilk of psychos.
Twitter posts are srs bizness!
Not sure why he's doing this but come on...there's some truth to the irresponsible reporting on him. The media sees itself as 'resistors'.
That seems like a very naive view.
Examples, goober?
Or just more whining, like a pussy.
Not really: "Journalism is to politician as dog is to lamp-post."--H.L. Mencken, just doing his job.
Trump is branding the Republican-conservative cause with bigotry and backwardness for at least a generation.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of authoritarian, slack-jawed, disaffected, superstitious, bigoted, half-educated losers.
Carry on, clingers. Just don't get in the way of your betters.
Very well said. Sadly I fear with the passing of John McCain and George H. W. Bush, we may have seen the last of the great Republican politicians. I might not have agreed with McCain on everything, but he was a patriot who opposed the Russian takeover of our government.
Nonsense. Bigotry and backwardness is an essential part of the American dream and true freedom for REAL citizens. The Founding Fathers were old, white, and male. Therefore, a genuine Originalist interpretation of the Constitution would recognize that the Constitutional rights granted to Americans are reserved exclusively for REAL citizens. ie: old, white, males like Trump. Mainstream media simply needs to recognize its betters and get over it. Move to lefty-land Europe or South America if they don't like it.
Screw the mainstream loser media who is nothing but an arm of the progressive agenda that wants illegals and criminals to flood this once great land. One America is for One Nation and Trump will lead us back to this hallowed era.
You are really bad at parody.
He makes a lot of good points.
I mean, he's kinda right -- bigotry and backwardness have been part of this nation since the beginning. But it's not a *good* thing. It's constantly held us back.
Free-er immigration both pays for itself and increases global freedom. But American xenophobia has often led us to oppose it. You can see anti-immigration rhetoric in the 1700s, in the 1800s, in the 1900s... given our retardedness on issues like this, I'm honestly surprised that we've done as well as a country as we have.
We probably wouldn't have even been a superpower if it wasn't for other countries destroying each other and leaving us relatively unscathed.
"ARE" Speaking of backwardness (lol)
You need to expand the vocabulary your auto-posting script is using.
Thank you for your comment, Arth Vader.
The torrential volume of you Trump suckers that have shown up here is astounding.
All you soy bean farmers and auto workers that voted for him created this shit storm that is raining down upon you. So quit your whining and shut the fuck up.
6 more years!
Why stop at 6? I'm prepared to continue the culture war as long as right-wingers want to keep getting their downscale asses kicked.
Thank you for your comment, Arth Vader.
I find your faith disturbing.
Faith in reason, education, tolerance, science, modernity, inclusivity, and progress, that is.
MAGA!
MEGA-FAIL!
Don't forget, Trump campaigned on paying off the entire debt in 8 years! From his tariffs!
Breitbart Do the math.
Tariff revenues of (19/8=) $2.4T per year ... vs Revenues of $3.3T per year!
Tariffs are paid by consumers. So Trump PROMISED to increase consumer prices by the equivalent of a 73% tax increase! ... which says all you need to know about the "mental capacity" of Trumptards. (smirk)
Do the math: $895 deficit, 10 months FY = $89.5 billion per month
2 months at $89.5 = 179B + 895B = $1.074T.
Left - Right = Zero
MAGA = Morons Are Governing America
MAGA = My Attorney Got Arrested!
MAGA = My Advisors Going Away!
MAGA = My Associates Getting Allocutions!
MAGA = Make America (debt) Great Again.!
Other presidents have had the same complaints. Trump just seems to whine about it more.
Enlighten the public you mean
Fight back, you mean.
I often disagree with democratic socialists like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on economic issues, but she makes some compelling points about healthcare.
It's important to be honest about the fact that US healthcare is terrible and lags far behind the modern world. The good news: #MedicareForAll can save the US $5.1 trillion over a decade while drastically cutting working-class Americans' health spending.
Previous estimates suggested that Medicare for All would save $2 trillion. But it's even better: a new study finds that Bernie Sanders's bill would save $5.1 trillion ? while providing universal, comprehensive coverage.
Well, heck -- study it again and it might get even better!
Think of the money saved if everyone got a free car!
What's always hilarious is the R's love of Trump's "guy at the end of the bar" schtick where he goes ham on whoever he wants, says whatever he wants, and they champion him as this anti-PC tough guy...
Then he cries that a bunch of lib snowflakes make fun of him on saturday night. Biggest pussy in the country. Funny thing is SNL is long past its time for being good/relevant. It would be like a dem going after Gutfeld or one of the other non-funny conservatives because they said mean things. What a fucking bitch
The real issue isn't that the media wrongly criticizes Trump, it's that they don't criticize Democrats enough. The media should be skeptical of all those in power.
It's also a bit amusing that the most powerful man in the world -- a successful billionaire business man, a boorish man who belittles everyone with whom he disagrees (questioning their very manhood quite often) -- melts like a little snowflake whenever someone is just a little critical of him.
Agreed, the dems are a running joke at this point and there is so much material to make fun of. The identity politics SJW stuff is so extreme it is a farce on its own.
But SNL is the dems, and no one thinks they are going to turn on their own BS. The fact that he can't handle those little bitches is just more evidence that he is himself a little cuck bitch.
"just a little critical of him"
They've been calling him Hitler for 3 years.
Obama's mouthpieces called anything short of worship racism - he didn't say it himself because his court was there to insulate him.
Trump handles his own beefs.
And I don't see any "melting" - I see hitting back.
But the progressively inclined cannot help but view the world through their own lenses
You seem to have a hard time handling losing the culture war. Maybe get some help?
Thank you for your comment, Arth Vader.
When a LOSER cannot win, he pastes the identical childish comment 11 times on a single page.
And giggles.
Should be tested in courts, can't be legal? Only defame & belittle! Collusion?
See those question marks Robby? They may be rhetorical, but they're there and they're important.
Now reread your blog post taking them into account and realize what a hysterical little demagogue you are.
For fuck's sake. Every time Trump bitches about the DNC party organs currently holding the national microphone, dishonest overreactions by "journalists" like Robby immediately underline his point for him.
Eye on the ball, big shooter. The president of the United States thinks the first amendment should be "tested in courts."
The "DNC party" holds the national microphone?
Trump literally has the presidential Twitter account. If he wants to present data to support his claims of the day, he can do so. He just doesn't.
Remember when he said his inauguration was the biggest ever, and most watched? without evidence.
Remember when he said that millions of immigrants were voting illegally? without evidence.
Remember when he said that Republicans were working to pass a middle class tax cut before the 2018 election? without evidence.
The guy just lies constantly. He doesn't read, he's not informed, he's incredibly sensitive... so yeah, of course he does a shitty job of utilizing his own national microphone, in the position of the President.
Trump has a twitter account, there's no such thing as a Presidential Twitter account.
The DNC has owned the NYT, WaPo, CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, Time, Newsweek, etc. for at least the last fifty years, and Trump has his old twitter account. You sure proved me wrong.
"Remember when he said his inauguration was the biggest ever, and most watched? without evidence.
Remember when he said that millions of immigrants were voting illegally? without evidence.
Remember when he said that Republicans were working to pass a middle class tax cut before the 2018 election? without evidence"
OMG! he boasted he had a big inauguration without proof?! Immigrants were voting illegally? without evidence (even though it's all over the place)!!? Republicans were working to pass a middle class tax cut before the 2018 election? without evidence (except that they had a working group created and were doing just that)???!! That's worse than Hitler drone bombing Libyans. WTF, I hate Trump now.
ANOTHER GAGGLE OF CONSPIRACIES ... FROM A BIRTHER ... TODAY'S AUTHORITARIAN RIGHT.
When the founding fathers gave us freedom of the press, they never imagined a world with radio waves, TV, and internet superhighways. Nor did they rule out common sense regulations, such as the FCC. It's time for America to start the conversation about speech control, because this free speech absolutism will get us nowhere. Especially on the Facebook, and with Russian trolls.
Antonin Scalia totally demolished your ignorance on "modern developments" and he was an originalist.
Now explain how a right to LIFE is not an absolute.
Or liberty, Incomprehensible Authoritarian
So our gun rights extend beyond muskets and the blunderbuss?
Very good!. That was his exact context in Heller. It includes the modern equivalents -- what we now call hunting rifles.
That's why the NRA was powerless against the Assault Weapons Ban for 10 long years.
But NRA is quite successful at brainwashing their cadre of Gomers to the exact opposite, even though Scalia reaffirmed US v Miller, that bans on "dangerous and unusual weapons" were still common after 2A, which protects only those weapons in common use at ratification, brought from home to militia duty (again what we now call hunting rifles).
Most folks are not nearly as savvy as you are!
When the founding fathers gave us freedom of the press, they never imagined a world with radio waves, TV, and internet superhighways.
*** in the apparent spirit of IB's comment ***
Ah, but *God* knew about these things!
God is dead.
Long live God!
You got an audible laugh.
From this atheist
Fuck off Hihn.
(adoring eyes) "Such a manly man!"
(smirk)
BOTH parties suck on our health care, which was created by FDR! Before his "employer-based" bullhshit, there was no private healthcare insurers. None.
Charity hospitals treated the "uninsured" regardless of age or income.
Group coverage was almost entirely by MEMBERSHIP in fraternal organizations like Kiwanis and Rotary (who still excel charitable causes). But the vast majority of coverage was by then-common ethnic lodges. My dad described standing in line every payday, at his German-Saxon lodge, to pay his dues to ... a volunteer.
Insurance companies added health insurance, because NOBODY had employer-based groups. Nor would they even care to!
Shortly after the war, a modern version of lodges and fraternals popped up In Washington state. Group Health Co-op (GHC) is both a co-op (member owned) and prepaid (what we now call an HMO). They now have over 800,000 members. Doctors are their salaried employees! They run their own hospitals and every clinic has their own pharmacy. Pick up prescription as you leave the clinic, renew at a handful of private pharmacies. ZERO dollars are spent on processing claims ? because there are none.
ONE recent Presidential candidate offered a GHC model, as a way to get bipartisan support, and to kill single-payer forever. (GHC even has a direct competitor, and now serves almost all of Washington state
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This plan, cheaper than ANY government plan on earth, was reject by his political opponents, which killed it.
The candidate was Barack Hussein Obama, 2008.
Despite today's brainwashed right-wing goobers, progressives are NOT big government, they are anti-profit. Obama's compromise TO REPLACE government healthcare was ENDORSED as a replacement at the far-left Daily Kos, as "socialized medicine" -- which it is, to progressives. Non-profit and TOTAL member control. That's good. What happened?
It was killed by the GOP's far right. An ENRAGED Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) also called it "socialized medicine. Yeah, like those oppressors at Kiwanis and Rotary. (DUH)
Point being: Republicans have been fucked-up-clueless on health care for decades. The best approach is STILL Obama's? and mine, as a once GHC member for 17 years ... NOT the Obamacare created by REPUBLICANS.)
FACT: The GHC model would have destroyed the private health insurers ... a major donor to GOP candidates,
(This will EXPLODE brains of the Authoritarian Right who dominate this commentariat, along with faux libertarians.)
Obama's 2008 position as a healthcare moderate is confirmed by a 2012 campaign for Gary Johnson . (Omama also opposed a mandate then. SEE him demolishing Hilary and Edwards on a mandate in the 2008 primary debates)
If it was so successful, why did the government feel compelled to interfere?
Blue Cross began the same way.
Someone at Baylor Hospital in Dallas made a deal with a teachers group in 1929.
If it was so successful, why did the government feel compelled to interfere?FDR because wage and price controls were hurting employers, so the employer-provided health care was outside the controls, is the "official" reason, but a sop to unions.
You realize, of course, that Obama sees Obamacare as just another step on the way to a single-payer government system, right?
I explained why you're bat-shit crazy. Gave a link to PROOF. Now, here's MORE proof!
Anything else?
Obamacare is Romneycare. Romney had it first.
You believe "Wizard of Oz" is actual history.
The Easter Bunny is real.
The earth is flat.
And those space aliens in Roswell, NM.
If paying off sluts is an in kind contribution, so is a biased media pushing hard for the DNC.
Umm, it was done to influence an election, as proven by Trump FRAUDULENTLY disguising the reimbursement as "legal fees" spread out over several months, which also eliminated an amount traceable for the payoff. He also reported it fraudulently, The smoking gun is when he then also had to reimburse Cohen's taxes on that "income" because it wasn't income.
Even without that, the bias is entirely yours, based on a perverted mix of ignorance and tribalism.
Biased media pushing hard for the DNC certainly influences the election.
Did Dan Rather violate campaign finance laws in 2004?
It's Kirkland's new sockpuppet. Don't look for reasoned thought.
CRUSHED by the facts he FAILS to refute ... Fancylad goes childish.
13 times on this page. So far.
Bellowing Blowhards Be Bullying.
Can you paste anything RELEVANT to what you "responded" to? Check with your puppetmaster.
"Corie Whalen, former communications director for libertarian-friendly Rep. Justin Amash (R?Mich.), recently penned a worthwhile essay about Trump's takeover of the conservative movement and how it has harmed?perhaps destroyed?the libertarian Republican cause."
As I've explained, here, so many times, Trump didn't take over the Republican party so much as the white, blue collar, middle class abandoned the Democratic party and flooded into the Republican party. That's the demographic that voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 and abandoned Hillary Clinton for Trump in 2016.
For the umpty-umpth time, people generally only register to vote when they move or renew their driver's license. When you look at how Trump won the Republican primary, he did far worse in closed primary states--where registered Democrats couldn't vote for him. By the time Trump's primary win had become a foregone conclusion, the only open primary states--where registered Democrats could vote for him--that he lost were in Texas and Ohio to native sons Cruz and Kucinich. Trump won every open primary state except those two up to that point.
Stop focusing on Trump. It isn't about him or his policies. It's about the progressives and social justice warriors who run the Democratic party hating the white, blue-collar, middle class--and chasing them out of the Democratic party. If the Republican party has changed since Trump was elected, it's because of that. If there's one thing BLM, feminists, illegal immigrant interests, LGBTQI+ activists, and environmentalists all agree on, it's that they hate the white, blue-collar, middle class they need in order to win national elections. Trump isn't anywhere near as powerful as people are making him out to be.
So now explain why dumb white men are more important than everyone else.
Because he's one?
From the vote counters who care about winning elections, they are more important because there are more of them. They are a huge voting block, one that used to be locked down by the dems until their identity politics festival of recent years. And there's a lot of them in swing states. Trump decided to basically play identity politics courting that voter block, and guess what...they are still big enough to swing an election.
Maybe in 50 years demographics will change such that the dems can just shit on "dumb white men" and win an election by courting the black, trans, LGBT vote, but for now the numbers are such that they will lose with that message.
This is such basic stuiff.
For example, the Slavic vote does not count anywhere except a few cities with large Slavic-descent populations.
And suppressing the black vote, while appealing to neo-nazis and white supremacists.
The Charlottesville as his payback.
Trump still couldn't have pulled it off if the Republican leadership hadn't already pretty much given up on even pretending to agree with their own voting base on issues like illegal immigration. He secured the nomination by appealing to Republicans better than the establishment's candidates could.
Also wrong.
Trump won the primaries with only 35% of the vote, roughly the same as the percentage of birthers and equivalent freaks.
Blue-collar Democrats did no such thing. They are the same as the Reagan Democrats, who supported Reagan's plan for restoring the industrial base. Trump had the same appeal, a crippled industrial base, but only Reagan succeeded for them, because he knew what he was doing (as did Kennedy)
Skip the crazy bullshit on supply-side versus demand-side. Kennedy and Reagan had the ONLY successful postwar booms, with identical tax plans -- described by Kennedy as "across the board, top to bottom, personal and corporate."
As we SHOULD have learned by Obama's failed tax cuts, a growing economy required confidence in all three sectors -- workers/consumers, employers and investors. That's why ONLY the Kennedy formula, later copied by Reagan can be effective.
Elementary economics.
It is illegal it's called defimation
SNL is defamation? Satire is allowed, in fact satire is the best tool against a police state. Too bad SNL is such lame satire.
(Does he realize he made a fool of himself, defending both sides of a single issue. Trumptards be not bright since birth)
nice
Reason" "Ted Lieu? Who's that? We're too busy hating Trump to take off the blinders yet."
If the major media actually reported facts instead of opinion, and didn't hide inconvenient facts that make Democrats look bad, then there'd be no problem.
Trump suffers from shit-fer-brains syndrome.
The problem is, the Honorable Donald Trump is right on the law.
http://reason.com/archives/201.....e-catch-22
Did the leak of that Access Hollywood tape "influence the election"?
Hell, do editorial endorsements constitute "Influenc[ing] the election"?
The question should not be what constitutes influencing the election.
The question should be what does not.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Since when is Saturday Night Live news coverage? Stop watching comedy shows (especially unfunny ones) if it gives you such angst.
"President Trump has once again taken the position that criticism of him is, or ought to be, illegal."
Poor Soave still does not know the difference between propagandists lying to defame a person and written or verbal criticism covered under the 1st Amendment.
I be Soave does not even know that the 1st Amendment does not protect any assembly, only peaceful assemblies.
LIKE CHARLOTTESVILLE, GOOBER?
Shame on Trump and the party who defends him
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is ... treason
These are Nazis, Racists and Jew-Haters. Ivanka and Jared are Jewish.
Trump threw his own daughter under a bus, playing to the very worst in his base SHAMEFUL.
Left - Right = Zero
So ... why do you FAIL to define the difference?
And WHO decides which is which in your authoritarian gulag?
Translation: conscious political lie...
I have been struggling to despise Trump since the nomination. Result: lime GOP primary voters I despise Ted, Marco, Bush, Bush, Mitt, Whutzername, Horseface, Televangelist, and Creep WAY more than the loudmouth. I supported the LP because platform and such, not to coerce bakers, but am hard pressed to imagine any other National Socialist Republican doing a better job. The Dems think of nothing except carbon taxes and nationalsocialism to ban energy--what else is new? It's a Groundhog Day nightmare, but one that could be worse.
Trump accused of criminal conspiracy ... by his own DOJ ... WITH evidence!
SINGALONG: "another one bites ... another one bites ... another one bites THE DUST!"
This was in a Republican-style platform written in 1920: "Point 23. We demand legal measures against the conscious political lie and its propagation through the press. (...) Newspapers which conflict with the common good are to be forbidden." Trump just tweets. Rubio, Lyin' Ted or Mitt would be demanding a Constitutional Amendment forcing papers to clear material through censors to make sure nothing can "endanger the state or violate the ethical and moral feelings of the Germanic race."
Will writers for this website ever stop trying to push the idea that Trump is against the 1st Amendment.....? Or every other freedom we "sort of" have? At some point Libertarians, fake and real ones alike, are going to have to accept that our rights and laws are not black and white in principal, or in practice. The Propaganda media are allowed to be as bias and destructive towards American values as they want, Saudi ownership and all. But that same freedom has to be extended to every citizen, including the President. He's allowed to tweet how he's feeling or what's on his mind and just because people here were sure he was going to be a dictator (and were dead wrong) doesn't mean that his tweets are some innuendo into that.
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