Partisan Identification

No Matter Who Wins the Midterms, Brace for More Conflict

Many Americans don't care about who is right or wrong; they only care about crushing political enemies.

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Terray Sylvester / VWPics/Newscom

As former close associates of the chief executive succumb to serious criminal charges, the Trump presidency should be on the ropes. Yet by all evidence, the president's supporters remain unmoved by the brutal headlines—even as Donald Trump's opponents accuse him of treason and call for his impeachment.

Trump's approval rating remains "remarkably stable," according to one of the pollsters behind a recent bipartisan survey of presidential approval. "Between Aug. 18 and Aug. 22—the day after the news involving former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former Trump attorney Michael Cohen—the president's approval rating stood at 46 percent approve, 51 percent disapprove," reports NBC News, which was one of the poll's sponsors, with the Wall Street Journal. In a follow-up survey the organizations put together, "conducted Aug. 22 through Aug. 25, Trump's approval rating was 44 percent approve and 52 percent disapprove. That's within the poll's margin of error."

But not only is Trump's approval "remarkably stable," it's almost identical to that of his predecessor. Trump had 41 percent approval on day 583 of his presidency, the most recent measure by Gallup's Presidential Job Approval Center. Barack Obama had 43 percent job approval on day 586, the closest comparable date.

Gallup also finds that the current president's approval has remained within narrow parameters through rocky news and vicious political verbal sparring.

There is some difference, though, in the distribution of support, which has become more polarized. Obama's support as measured by Gallup included 78 percent of Democrats, 40 percent of independents, and 14 percent of Republicans—during an era which many people already regarded as deeply divided. Trump currently draws the support of 86 percent of Republicans, 36 percent of independents, and only 8 percent of Democrats.

That few Democrats like the current president is little surprise when public figures like former CIA Director John Brennan and TV host Bill Maher openly accuse Trump of "treason"—in an environment in which such over-the-top rhetoric (the word has a very specific legal definition) is no longer especially unusual.

For their part, many of the president's supporters seem to back him without doubting that he's done something wrong. "Among Republicans, just 46 percent strongly agree that he has been honest" with regard to the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election," NBC News notes.

"But choosing sides in a conflict is rarely about who you're standing alongside and almost always about who you're standing against," Fredrik Backman writes in his recent novel Us Against You, which follows up the justifiably praised Beartown in exploring (among other things) mob mentality. That's not just a pointed insight into battle lines in a Swedish factory town, it's one that research says aptly describes modern political divisions.

"While partisan animus began to rise in the 1980s, it has grown dramatically over the past two decades," Shanto Iyengar and Masha Krupenkin, political scientists at Stanford, reported in a paper published earlier this year. And as that tension has grown, "hostility toward the opposing party has eclipsed positive affect for ones' own party as a motive for political participation."

How eclipsed?

"Record numbers of voters in 2016 were dissatisfied with their own party's presidential nominee and the opposing party's nominee," according to Emory University's Alan Abramowitz and Steven Webster. So the deciding factor came down to the fact that "large majorities of Democrats and Republicans truly despised the opposing party's nominee."

"Negative views of the opposing party are a major factor" in why people belong to political parties, Pew Research agrees. In the U.S., many Democrats and Republicans alike say "a major reason they identify with their own party is that they have little in common with members of the other party."

It's not who you're standing alongside—it's who you're standing against. When the animus is that deep, we're not talking about political opponents engaged in debate. Instead, Americans look more like enemies fighting in a death match.

In this death match, government agencies—like the FBI—become clubs with which to bash the enemy. Even laws are partisan weapons to be targeted against the other side's way of life, since political affiliation is now so closely associated with people's neighborhoods, hobbies, and lifestyles in a "starkly divided world of latte-sipping liberals and bird-hunting conservatives," as Daniel DellaPosta, Yongren Shi, and Michael Macy of Cornell University wrote in a paper published in 2015 in the American Journal of Sociology.

Republicans certainly expect the worst if they come out short in the mid-term elections. "Congressional Republicans are getting ready for hell," Axios reported this week. The publication "has obtained a spreadsheet that's circulated through Republican circles on and off Capitol Hill—including at least one leadership office—that meticulously previews the investigations Democrats will likely launch if they flip the House."

Meanwhile, some Democrats are openly calling for impeachment of the president, with pundits seriously considering the prospects for success.

How justified, or politicized, or both, those moves may be won't even matter to partisans. The election itself won't be considered to have settled anything except who temporarily controls the bludgeon. The only important consideration will be what helps allies and hurts enemies.

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  1. I’m not sure an article about how Republicans and Democrats won’t get along after the midterms is really needed. I thought it was, you know, expected.

    1. Breaking News: Dems don’t like Trump.

      1. And in further breaking news, Franco is still dead.

        1. Ah, an old SNL/Chevy Chase fan. I knew at least one was out there somewhere.

        2. And for our hearing-impaired audience… FRANCO! IS! STILL! DEAD!

          1. Garret Morris’ “News for the Deaf,” Can you imagine trying that now?

  2. Now, to the real question: what can we, here, do to make this situation even worse?

    1. This situation will improve naturally, as our electorate improves.

      1. So, we’re doomed?

        1. Those who fear an electorate that is less rural, less religious, less backward, less white, and less bigoted may have reason to believe their political preferences are doomed.

          1. So, Euro-style stagnation then.

          2. “Those who fear an electorate that is less rural, less religious, less backward, less white, and less bigoted may have reason to believe their political preferences are doomed.”

            Bigoted asshole…

          3. Buy a gun and shoot yourself in the face.

          4. I hope and pray every day that someone beats the living shit out of you.

          5. Yes, the urban, less religious, mindlessly materialistic, rainbow but highly bigoted toward everyone who doesn’t drive Fiats will certainly lead us smilingly into the sunlit future.

            My Lord, you are stupid. Remember, better to say nothing and let everyone think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

          6. “Less bigoted” like who? Al Sharpton? Maxine Waters? Tom Perez?

            Who is more backward than Sharpton (“R.E.S.P.I.C.T” at Aretha Franklin’s funeral)?

            Or maybe that paragon of peaceful protest Maxine (“No Justice, No Peace”, Confront Republicans wherever they are, eating, going to movies, going to work…)

            Less rural – translation: Subjugated in cities, renting their abode, deprived of the ability to defend themselves, riding public transport, living on charity from the state. Closest thing to slavery in the modern world. Exceptions: The 1% in high rise penthouses with armed guards and limousines.

            1. Damn well said Bob; the troll known as Reverend certainly does bring out the best in us from time to time.

      2. You’re dying of painful rectal cancer?

        1. Dying? He is a painful ass cancer!

        2. BWAHAHAHAHA!

    2. I don’t want it to get worse.

      1. LynchPin, do you remember that office meeting we held a few months ago about the need for everyone to be on the same team? All those trust falls we did together, as a team? Well, you’re not being a team player right now, Lynchpin. You are not being a team player.

  3. The election itself won’t be considered to have settled anything except who temporarily controls the bludgeon.

    I notice only some elections seem to settle things, and that’s when people come together in a spirit of bipartisanship and cooperation and compromise and elect Democrats. When you get evil racist Nazi bastards stealing the election, like when Bush stole the election from Gore and Trump stole the election from Hillary, all good people naturally and rightfully resist such naked cheating and foul play.

    1. Stunning sarcasm there…

    2. Are you OBL?

    3. Except that you are overlooking the fact that both Gore and Hillary screwed themselves in their haste to be an all conquering hero.

      Gore, sealed his own fate when he called for a recount of only 3 counties and was overruled. He who lives by the hanging chad, dies by the hanging chad.

      Hillary with her glaring arrogance and condescension of anyone not for her. Not to mention her taking certain rust belt states for granted, and not having a coherent message.

      As for your comment, “… and that’s when people come together in a spirit of bipartisanship and cooperation and compromise and elect Democrats.”

      You mistake conservative patience and willingness to abide by the rules as acquiescence with the result. Nothing could be further from the truth.

      1. Time for a sarcasm detector tuneup, buddy.

        1. The best (only?) defense against sarcasm is to take it as literal, and play the conversation to the end.

  4. The situation, as any Libertarian should understand, is a direct result of the cancerous growth of government. The higher the stakes, the less people can afford to lose, and the more viciously they fight.

    And the stakes in elections are directly related to the power the government is expected to wield.

    Even Republicans, in theory, understand that. (Though I get the impression the office holders don’t.)

    The left, however, seems to reject this conclusion, and aims not to be successful in a system of competitive politics, but instead dreams of final victory, and thus evaluates the power of government on the assumption THEY will be the ones exercising it. They’ve been talking for a generation now about inevitable demographic changes giving them control for the foreseeable future, and have taken affirmative action to accelerate those changes through illegal immigration.

    Trump’s victory, and Republican retention of Congress, was a horrible psychic blow to them. They though that permanent majority had already been heralded by Obama, and that 2016 was going to see them in control of both elected branches again, and for always.

    I’m deeply concerned about what they’ll do, win or lose, after the 2018 and 2020 elections. Win, and they will move to irreversibly entrench themselves. Lose, and they’ll go nuts, refusing to accept the outcome as legitimate, as they did in 2016.

    It’s going to be ugly either way.

    1. A majority of Americans already wanted Democrats in power, but Republicans cheat to win. Republicans are already doing the nefarious things you’re worrying about. Trump wasn’t accepting the outcome of 2016 as legitimate until he surprisingly won it. What do you think he and his mouth breather following would be doing if he lost? They never accepted Obama, and he got more votes than anyone in history. Maybe worry about the ones in power first?

      1. When did 48.2% of voters become a “majority” of Americans?

        1. Closer than 46.1%.

          1. LOL. Sure, but 302 beats 227.

            1. The referent was “Americans” not “members of the electoral college.”

              1. Elections of POTUS are determined by electoral, not popular, votes. Even if as many as 1% of registered voters indicate otherwise.

                1. Someone should just force Tony to watch reruns of the 1960 World Series until he finally understands how scoring more doesn’t ultimately matter if you’re not scoring the right thing.

              2. Not all all Americans came out to vote. And Johnson and Stein combined to get 4 million votes.

                1. Johnson and Stein didn’t combine for anything. 3 percent of voters wanted Johnson.

              3. Members of the electoral college are not Americans? Their votes were not cast based on the preferences of the voters in the states they represented? That’s a new one. Maybe these are the elusive Russians who interfered in the election – you should tell Bob Mueller to add that to his investigation.

                Though I do have to admit that there is an appeal to your reasoning in that it would allow me to disregard all laws passed by Congress since those select few elites are not really the diaspora of true Americans.

                1. I know I almost voted for Hillary, until I saw that one Facebook ad from Jesus.

                  1. I saw that Facebook ad from Jesus, too. Best laugh I’d had in ages.

              4. So you’d settle sport championships by cumulative points over the entire season and forget who won more games?

                Most people understand this.

                Most people also understand the good part about not having one national election, so that state elections are staggered on different dates.

                1. We have the system we have to protect slaveowners. We have something like 5 or 6 checks on majoritarianism compared to other civilized democracies with 1 or 2 each. We go overboard protecting the minority. The president is president of everyone. There is no good reason the minory should get its way over the majority. It’s certainly not because it puts the better person in office.

                  We were talking about what Americans want, not what our stupid arcane rules are.

                  1. One could take the view that our stupid arcane rules are themselves a reflection of what Americans want. Obviously not you, but there are winners and losers in life, and you’re on the losing end. If Americans wanted these arcane rules gone, they would be.

                    1. Except that type of action is blocked by yet another check on majoritarianism.

                  2. “The president is president of everyone. ”

                    Tony, pretending to worry about an unrestrained executive.

                  3. You are a fucking retard.

                  4. No, actually, we have the electoral college because the founders believed that direct elections would undermine the republic they had put in place. The electoral college was intended that “the rich, the well-born and the able” should rule (Alexander Hamilton said that). It had nothing to do with slavery, unless you want to expand your notion of “slavery” to include everyone who was not a property owner or born into a blue blooded family. So try again. Or don’t.

                  5. “There is no good reason the minority should get its way over the majority” Are you serious? I guess then there is no good reason the minority LBGTQ should get its way, or the minority Muslims should get their way. Thanks for resolving that issue once and for all.

                  6. We have the system we have to protect from slaveowners

                    FTFY

                    All those ‘checks on majoritarianism’ were designed to limit the power of your fellow travelers, Tony, the people who wanted to keep humans as farm animals.

                  7. She lost bitch. And she ain’t getting a Mulligan.

                  8. So? Simply amend the Constitution. God’s Own Prohibitionists have putched an Involuntary Labor Amendment to fight Race Suicide for 40 years beginning the election after the LP wrote the Roe v Wade decision with a single electoral vote. Forty years is about as long as East German Communism lasted.

              5. Tony|8.29.18 @ 4:19PM|#
                “The referent was “Americans” not “members of the electoral college.””

                So we change the rules if a D doesn’t win?
                I’d say that makes you sound like a fucking ignoramus, but we already knew that.

                1. If a minority gets its way consistently over the majority for picking our representatives in government, not only should it change, it’s a legitimate excuse for revolution.

                2. Of course we change the rules if a D doesn’t win. Been living in a cave for the last couple of decades? If it’s not a Torricelli being replaced illegally at the last minute (Because the voters are entitled to a Democrat on the ballot who isn’t going to lose!) it’s the courts holding the polls open past midnight in Democratic precincts, but allowing them to close on time in the Republican ones.

                  I’ve never seen an election in 59 years where somewhere in the country a well established rule didn’t get overturned by a judge somewhere to make sure a Democrat won.

              6. You should ram your pus dripping needle dick up Kirkland’s ass and high five each other, you retarded twerp.

      2. Criticizing Trump for not accepting the election while you fail to do so is good irony.

        1. It was the most suspicious election since at least 2000, if not 2004, but I’m not calling for Trump to be removed am I? I’m not saying he was born in Loompaland and is thus ineligible, am I?

          1. Tony, I want the government to leave me alone.

            I just want to play music and smoke some pot.

            Is that too much to ask?

            1. Why don’t you direct your ire at the local constabulary who are a hundred times more likely to infringe upon that than the feds?

            2. I just want to play music and smoke some pot.

              If you aren’t supporting Democrats your educators failed you (or vice versa).

              1. I support Democrats. Mostly through taxation.

              2. Kill yourself now for the sake of humanity you repulsive cretin. Your existence is a cancer on humanity. Please die a horrible, sickening, painful death whose horrific pain extends for weeks on end.

            3. As far as pot goes, Petty Pete Sessions has to lose his congressional race. If that doesn’t happen, the only way cannabis reform gets ANY traction is if the Democrats retake the House and a pro-MJ majority is chosen for the House Rules Committee. Otherwise, Petty Pete keeps his gatekeeper role and the cockblocking of bills continues.

      3. Maybe worry about the ones in power first?

        I’ve been doing that for decades. But the plonkers who replace them are always as bad or worse.

      4. A majority of Americans already wanted Democrats in power, but Republicans cheat to win. Republicans are already doing the nefarious things you’re worrying about. Trump wasn’t accepting the outcome of 2016 as legitimate until he surprisingly won it. What do you think he and his mouth breather following would be doing if he lost? They never accepted Obama, and he got more votes than anyone in history. Maybe worry about the ones in power first?

        “HOW COULD THAT TEAM LOSE THE GAME? THEY GAINED WAY MORE YARDS THAN THE OTHER TEAM!!! If only they cared more about yards than points, my team would’ve won the Super Bowl!!!”

      5. They cheated by following the rules that were previously established.

      6. Trump was worried about Russian meddling, but Obama reassured all of us that our voting mechanisms were secure. Also, you seem to suggest that the Electoral College is cheating? You would prefer the slender but densely populated blue coasts to control the huge area of red in the rest of the US? Who’s the fascist, Tony?

        1. Only one “team” played under an explicitly fascist banner:
          Stronger Together

        2. Romney (2012): The Russians pose a growing geopolitical threat.
          Obama (same debate): Governor, the 1980s called. They want their foreign policy back.
          Dems (2018): Joe McCarthy was right, he just didn’t go far enough

      7. ” but Republicans cheat to win”

        Really? How? So far, Mueller continues to waste Americans time and tax dollars and has yet to find or file a complaint of “Collusion” against anyone. Going on two years, and not a single conviction of import. Yet, he does exemplify the degree to which democrats will go to destroy those with whom they disagree.

        As for Obama, there were no calls for impeachment, no massive unending investigation. He was allowed to govern and the people immediately gave the House of Representatives BACK to the republicans because of his arrogance in passing Obamacare.

        “Mouth breather following?” Give me a break bunky, who is it confronting government officials in public, organizing the junior knuckle dragging Antifa brigade? Encouraging BLM, and calling for the abolishment of ICE and borders?

        1. Not only Obamacare, but the stimulus, and after all that ? zip, zero, zilch, nada. He’d shot his bolt. Instead of trying to put together bipartisan legislation (which the GOP would have had to capitulate to) he decided on a “go it alone” strategy based on his phone and his pen, and set new standards for Presidential arrogation of legislative power. Is it too much to think that Americans saw this and got tired of it? And saw Hillary and somehow felt that she could only do more of the same, only worse? You lost because Hillary was running for queen and somehow couldn’t cut it (big surprise). And who are the Dems trotting out to keep a pulse? Obama and Hillary. Same old, same old.

          1. I don’t think he had any choice on that “go it alone” strategy. All throughout the Obama administration the GOP’s stance was that of a bratty kid with his fingers in his ears going “I don’t hear what you’re saying BLA BLA BLA BLA”.

            1. No rational reasons to oppose him eh?

      8. The whine continues…If anyone wasn’t accepting of the outcome of the 2016 it has been the infantile Democratic Party. From the very day after the election, they have been conspiring with the enablers in the MSM and in various boltholes of the leftist political groupthink la-la land to overturn an election that they just can’t accept because they believed it’s their inalienable right to govern. If the Democratic Party hadn’t made a devil’s bargain to first scare off any possible alternative to arguably the worst presidential candidate in our nation’s history, and then try to rig it against Sanders when he decided to challenge the orthodoxy and unexpectedly gained traction as a candidate (hmm, only the Republicans cheat to win), then you,Tony, and all the other demobots, would have nothing to pout about. The only mouth breathers are you and the other revanchists of the faux elite whose rabid partisanship has made them little more than blatherers of DNC talking points. Sigh, to paraphrase the Strawman, if only you really had the smarts you think you have.

    2. The Lefties lost even with their trying to rig the elections.

      Lefty loses in election 2018 will signal that Democrats have lost power and they will activate domestic terrorist organizations to burn it down. They were hoping to tear it down via Socialism but that is not working.

      1. Do you think Antifa has the numbers and competence to replicate the Red Guard? I’m kind of doubting that.

        1. Rumanian and East German communists called the Berlin Wall the Anti-Fascist Protective Rampart (Antifaschistischer Schutzwall). Republicans are handing their kleptocracy looter comrades a wall that can more easily keep Americans in than foreigners out.

          1. “Rumanian and East German communists called the Berlin Wall the Anti-Fascist Protective Rampart (Antifaschistischer Schutzwall). Republicans are handing their kleptocracy looter comrades a wall that can more easily keep Americans in than foreigners out.”

            This is one of the most utterly stupid things I’ve ever read.
            Stick to abortion, Hank.

            1. might not be true but it is hardly stupid, nor hard to imagine the dems ultimately using something the republicans create against them.

        2. Remember, according to Alinsky, power is what the other side THINKS you have. Antifa would love for everyone to believe their numbers are high, but the masked crusaders are not as plentiful as you might believe.They trive only in leftist enclaves, but don’t do so well in the rest of the country. Face it, seem many Antifa rallies in Kansas city, Dallas, Fort Worth, Oklahoma city, Phoenix, Salt Lake city or even Denver?

          Not to mention, that when the police don’t let the children wear their masks, they tend to be really well behaved. Amazing?

          1. Their numbers are high enough that they outnumber the other side when they want to.

            The reason they only show up in left-wing enclaves is that their SOP is to only show up where they’ve been assured the local police will be ordered to “stand down”. They know quite well they’re a criminal conspiracy, and would be in trouble if they showed up somewhere the local authorities weren’t in on the crime.

    3. Where do the people rooting for (1) state micromanagement of clinics for women, (2) a border wall, (3) big-government womb management, (4) prayer in schools, (5) increased military spending, (6) government discrimination against gays, (7) torture, and (8) bigoted, authoritarian immigration restrictions fit into that analysis?

      1. Well, it’s torture reading your DNC talking point garbage, that’s for sure.

      2. You go to school around here?

      3. “Where do the people rooting for (1) state micromanagement of clinics for women, (2) a border wall, (3) big-government womb management, (4) prayer in schools, (5) increased military spending, (6) government discrimination against gays, (7) torture, and (8) bigoted, authoritarian immigration restrictions fit into that analysis?”

        The 80s

      4. Throw yourself in front of a speeding train and let rabid feral dogs feed on your fetid rotting corpse.

        1. Why do you hate animals?

      5. Kirkland is incapable of posting without calling someone a bigot or racist, or telling us that “our betters” are going to do something to us (not for us). He/she is the very definition of stupidity.

        Note that I never address Kirkland directly. It’s pointless unless you like getting the boilerplate left-liberal response as mentioned above.

      6. Your points (1) and (3) are covered by Obamacare. Point (8) has had trade union support since the 1890’s and Democrat support from 1932 until Bush II.

    4. Brett gets it.

    5. Now, do Canada.

  5. the first election which settles something will be the first.

    1. You should copyright that, if someone hasn’t already

      1. gracias. “the first ___ will be the first” likely old.

    2. But this is the most important mid-term election of our lifetimes….

  6. Democrats will lose big in midterms, so expect massive violence from them.

    We know this from election 2016 results and Lefty violence that intensified for more than 6 months afterward.

    1. I expect more violence from the left wether they win or lose. If they lose they will have violence to supplant authority and if they win they will have violence under believed cover of authority. I think this is what Trump was trying to say about the fall elections and more violence but as usual he can’t hash out his ideas before he speaks.

      1. Or after, really.

    2. Remember when they ran over people with a car? Oh, that was a Trump supporter.
      Remember when they beat a person in a parking garage, and the victim was then charged with assault and had to prove his self defense? Oh, they were Trump supporters.
      Remember the guy who stabbed people on the train after they confronted him about racial epithets? Oh, Trump supporter.

      1. Blah blah blah.

        The hive mind is unwell

      2. Actually, the truth is — as usual — a little more complicated than that.

        It wasn’t a “Trump supporter” who rammed his car into a crowd of protesters at Charlottesville; it was a schizophrenic who was off his meds and was panicked by a howling mob of Antifa/BLM protesters *behind* him. He wasn’t trying to kill lefties; he was trying to escape. Note how, once the crowd cleared a cross-street, he backed quickly into the intersection and drove away along the cleared street.

        Exactly who is the “they” and the “person” who was beaten in a parking garage? There have been several cases of that, including a few cases of bystanders ganging up on a mugger. Specify the case.

        The last “guy who stabbed people on the train” that we’ve seen was a Muslim “refugee” who howled “allahu akbar” before he started his stabbing. I really doubt if that was a Trump supporter. A little more precision and verification would be appreciated.

      3. Ah, you need to do some research. James Alex Fields Jr, has a history of mental illness.

        As for DeAndre Harris, It should be noted that Jacob Scott Goodwin, 23, was convicted and faces up to 10 years in prison for the attack.

        And the Portland train stabbing was due to Jeremy Joseph Christian, who was shouting anti muslim and women epithets. It had nothing to do with Trump, and the suspect had an extensive criminal history.

        Unlike say these 230 otherwise “decent” Hillary supporters who rioted in the streets of Washington DC on inauguration day:

        https://voat.co/v/politics/1597170

      4. Remember when they shot 16 people at a protest, killing 5 and injuring 9?

        Remember when they shot up a baseball practice?

        Remember when they smashed someone’s head with a bike lock? Beat someone with a pipe for having a flag?

  7. “Violence is as American as apple pie.”
    Stokley Carmichael

    1. I like apple pie but not violence.

      1. pie is violence to the apples

    2. Ol’ Stokley should know; he did enough of it himself.

      1. Actually, Stokely was a propagandist and spokesman. He was rarely where the action was. He left that to people like H. Rap Brown

    3. Carmichael went to Kenya for “advanced medical treatment” and died.

  8. Trump currently draws the support of 86 percent of Republicans, 36 percent of independents, and only 8 percent of Democrats.

    Trump’s victory came as a surprise largely due to many respondents’ reluctance to admit to pollsters their support for Trump. Has this attitude changed?

    1. It seems unlikely, given that the invective against them has not abated. If anything, the Left has doubled down on its contention that Trump supporters are irredeemable Nazis.

      1. Trump supporters are not irredeemable Nazis.

        They tend to be half-educated, gullible, economically inadequate, bigoted, superstitious, disaffected losers residing in can’t-keep-up communities, however.

        1. And yet you still favor democracy.

        2. How long has Kkkirkland been stuck on loop?

          1. Since the bot programmer forgot the password to the server – – – – – – – –

        3. You have an interesting attitude toward the working class, which is who elected Trump.

        4. Don’t have many friends, do you Arthur? Might I suggest, “How to win friends and influence people”

        5. You should be beaten mercilessly.

        6. Kirkland blames Trump supporters for his inverted nipples.

          1. Kirkland blames Trump supporters for his inverted nipples.

            He should blame his grandparents.

            ‘Cos they were conjoined triplets. All six of them.

            What? You think Artie or his people can count?

            Ain’t that right?

            hick.

        7. what about the trump supporters who grew up with modern liberal values and liked trump because of his respect and similarity with sanders on certain issues, and voted for obama, are they stupid as well??

  9. I’m deeply concerned about what they’ll do, win or lose, after the 2018 and 2020 elections. Win, and they will move to irreversibly entrench themselves. Lose, and they’ll go nuts, refusing to accept the outcome as legitimate . . .

    There is a reason for that, and it shouldn’t be numbered among the (many) things which discredit Democrats. The reason is that there tend to be more Ds than Rs at the polls?in presidential elections anyway. They don’t like the notion of permanent minority rule, any more than you like the notion of permanent majority rule. Ds have the idea?an entirely reasonable idea, by the way?that Rs have figured out how to irreversibly entrench themselves, or at least have done better than Ds in that regard. And moreover, Ds know Rs have achieved that while in the minority.

    So yeah, Ds think that is not legitimate. Leaving aside any blather about the electoral college, and “that’s how our system works, so Rs get to game the system,” please explain why Ds shouldn’t be trying to permanently entrench majority rule, and inviting Rs to achieve majorities if they want to rule.

    While explaining, keep in mind that the arbiter of how the system works is the sovereign People?who aren’t constrained by the electoral college, or anything else. Because they are sovereign, a majority among the People can set up a government to suit themselves.

    It’s not wise to ignore that. Trump and movement conservatives have been ignoring that big time. Not wise.

    1. The beauty of the current system is that it protects the rights of the minority which creates stability. Raw majority rule is a great way to ensure that no one really has any concrete rights, and your state will likely descend into perpetual civil war since the minority has no other viable way to protect themselves.

      At the absolute worst of the Iraq insurgency, it was estimated that there were only 20,000 insurgents. Suppose only 1% of Trump’s nearly 63 million supporters are staunch enough to resist with violence using the readily available arsenal of weapons in this country – that’s 31.5 times bigger than the Iraq insurgency ever was. Do you want to live in a place with that kind of violence? Just so you can pass whatever law you want whenever your heart desires?

      No thanks.

      1. The way to protect the minority is through protecting their rights, not randomly giving the minority the election because they live in the right places based on lines drawn centuries ago, based on rules developed to protect slavery.

        The founders never envisioned directly voting for the President. They never envisioned winner take all state elections. Why should one guy get all the electoral votes in a state where the difference in votes is less than a percent?

        The electoral college does not function as the founders intended, and it does not have a rational reason for existing. However, currently, it has a partisan benefit.

      2. The beauty of the current system is that it protects the rights of the minority which creates stability.

        We had a civil war not even 100 years after the Constitution was signed; a civil war that killed 2% of the population, mind you. The earliest acts of terrorism in U.S. history were abolitionists and anti-abolitionists gunning each other in the Territories (followed by paramilitary bands during the Civil War and the Klan afterwards). Nearly 100 years later, there was an epidemic of riots and mass violence that could have easily led to a second civil war. So much for political stability.

        Plus, if we’re being totally honest, the current system has only protected the rights of the minority for the past 50 years at most, and that’s if we’re excluding gays and women from the definition of the word “minority.”

        1. You would say that, Gracchus.
          Guess what happens.
          You lose.

          1. You would say that, Gracchus.
            Guess what happens.
            You lose.

            Great. Instead of disproving my argument, you immediately jumped to “you lose.” Sounds like something a loser would say when he’s unable to actually come up with something defensible.

            1. Gracchus|8.29.18 @ 9:12PM|#
              “Great. Instead of disproving my argument, you immediately jumped to “you lose.” Sounds like something a loser would say when he’s unable to actually come up with something defensible.”

              No one here has to “disprove” anything, you fucking ignramus.
              *YOU* making the claim has to prove it, and you’ve done nothing of the sort.
              Fuck off, you pathetic, lying piece of shit.

              1. *YOU* making the claim has to prove it, and you’ve done nothing of the sort.

                I did prove it. Now you can disagree with me and tell me why I haven’t proven it, but you have actually show me where I made a mistake or an incorrect assumption or whatever. Then you can say I haven’t proven shit.

                Until then, fuck off you lazy piece of shit.

        2. Gracchus|8.29.18 @ 6:58PM|#
          “Plus, if we’re being totally honest, the current system has only protected the rights of the minority for the past 50 years at most, and that’s if we’re excluding gays and women from the definition of the word “minority.””

          Do you ever post without lying, you pathetic piece of shit?

          1. Do you ever post without lying, you pathetic piece of shit?

            Do you ever post anything other than insults, you lazy piece of shit? TELL ME where I supposedly lied, and then we can go from there. Until then, fuck off.

    2. Because they are sovereign, a majority among the People can set up a government to suit themselves.

      So “the people” are sovereign, but not a minority of “the people.” They are to be ruled by the sovereign majority.


    3. They don’t like the notion of permanent minority rule, any more than you like the notion of permanent majority rule.

      This is what is known as a fact not in evidence.

    4. This is not a bipartisan problem, nor are Republicans unique in gaming any systems. You want an example of entrenched Democrat power, look no further than the anti-Trump judiciary, as well as the police state agencies like the CIA, FBI, and Justice Dept currently lying their asses off to take him out. Before you try to overthrow our Constitutional government in the name of “majority of the People”, please explain how you can insure the safety and freedom of minority populations better than our current law.

    5. “Because they are sovereign, a majority among the People can set up a government to suit themselves.”

      You’re big on bloviating, short on details.

    6. “Because they are sovereign, a majority among the People can set up a government to suit themselves.”

      Since whites outnumber all minorities then your advice to them would be to set up a government to eliminate minorities, right?

      The early 20th century progressives tried to do that through forced sterilization, birth control, strong immigration restrictions and strict segregation (Woodrow Wilson’s favorite film was “Birth of a Nation” in which the heroes are the Ku Klux Klan).

      FDR turned away thousand of Jewish refugees but didn’t lose a single Jewish vote. His New Deal indicted Kosher butchers for violating the National Recovery Act and still, the Jews voted for him. Go figure. And you think Trumpistas are obsequious?

      The most accurate description of Democracy ever given was “Two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner”. The wolves are hungry and are voting in November. Hope you’re not a sheep.

    7. “So yeah, Ds think that is not legitimate. Leaving aside any blather about the electoral college, and “that’s how our system works, so Rs get to game the system,” please explain why Ds shouldn’t be trying to permanently entrench majority rule, and inviting Rs to achieve majorities if they want to rule.”

      More long-winded bullshit.
      Please explain why your bullshit is worthy of response.

    8. It seems to be difficult to explain to Democrats, (And, Lord, I’ve tried!) that winning the city centers by 90% or more doesn’t entitle you to rule over the vast expanses where you lose 45-55. In the military they call that “bouncing the rubble”, and understand that munitions spent turning the rocks into pebbles are wasted munitions.

      Why can’t Democrats understand that racking up huge vote totals in California, but narrowly losing the rest of the country, is not a smart strategy for winning elections?

      If Democrats could just lose the palpable contempt for everybody who doesn’t live in a rat-warren, they might “only” win the cities by 85%, and find that they’re competitive everywhere else. But the contempt for everywhere else seems to prevent them from even trying.

    9. because the founders said, we don’t want that, for good reason, and thankfully there are enough people who care more about the reasons as opposed to “a government to suit themselves”. 99% of the kinds of governments formed with the precision of… “whatever suits us” end up very badly, no matter how much one complains about the seemingly self evident virtue of democracy. This stuff isn’t as easy as, as long as the majority get their way everything has to be good. You need a system that doesn’t legislate morality, but is also true, which means it isn’t optional.

  10. Yeah but *they* started it!

  11. Your tribe sucks.

  12. I just want people to leave me alone.

    1. You sound like a fucking libertarian.

  13. As long as government was limited to taxes and conscription, it was pretty easy to grin and bear it. But as the intrusion got more personal and intrusive, it became more and more worthwhile to try to jump on the statist bandwagon to steer the ship of State in your direction and against your enemies and competitors.

    And the more government did, the more it wandered into social justice mode and positive rights, and it became easier and easier to stir up the masses with warnings that only government could save us from dangerous cars, foods, materials, planes, hurricanes, fires, you name it — and then came poverty, pollution, global warming.

    Government expands, like every bureaucracy — except without competition, it can never die from inefficiency or loss of customers.

  14. You can buy Chairman Mao, Stalin, Castro, and Che t-shirts on Amazon.

    Not much Hitler stuff, just this backpack and something else.

    https://tinyurl.com/y9y6mdtr

    I can’t imagine the stones someone would have to carry it.

    1. Just to be clear, I don’t endorse any of their murderous ideologies.

    2. Hitler riding a rainbow on a toboggan! To bad Mel Brooks didn’t find this years ago. It could be a poster for “Springtime for Hitler”.

  15. Excellent writing. Jerry Garcia only voted once because the “lesser evil” is still evil. He was equally suspicious of Democrat and Republican candidates and wished there were a third alternative. His psychedelic vision of “the one-person universe” making each of us individual caused him to reject “us-versus-them” framings that pointedly ignore all alternatives to the kleptocracy. The major parties want THEIR sumbitches cashing government checks, and with Reason’t help, the Libertarian Party can parlay that mutual hatred into ANOTHER 300% increase in the LP vote count. That would put us up there with the populists of 1892. With 9% of the vote those looters pressed for and got congressmen and an income tax law that was not in the platform of either half of the kleptocracy–at least not until the following election.

    1. I think we need a more compelling candidate than Bill Weld to crack 9 percent.

      1. True, but I think Weld captured more votes for the Libertarian ticket than he repelled.

        1. So, in short, we must kill libertarianism in order to bring about libertarian paradise?

          Sort of amusing how often I see basically that exactly sentiment, which is especially amusing since you could just become a Republican with that type of worldview.

          1. National socialism survives here because the GOP imported it in 1952. Both breeds of socialism are relics of the 19th Century. Even Europeans are beginning to vote libertarian–rather than for personality-cult candidates.

  16. Isn’t there always conflict in human affairs?

    From the beginning, until forever?

    1. My penis is in conflict with my common sense.

  17. The publication “has obtained a spreadsheet that’s circulated through Republican circles on and off Capitol Hill?including at least one leadership office?that meticulously previews the investigations Democrats will likely launch if they flip the House.”

    Fortunately, Elizabeth Warren believe flipping houses should be tightly regulated (except when she did it, of course). So if the House gets flipped, she’ll be watching very closely to see that it’s done right.

  18. An omen of battles to come as reporter Ken Dilanian of NBC quotes an FBI Inspector General source “who is fairly confident that there wasn’t an intrusion” regarding China’s compromising ALL of Hillary’s emails, a possibility that Trump repeated.

    NBC puts out this story to counter the Daily Caller story that sourced from Congressman Louis Gohmert of Texas, who drew it from an Intelligence Community Inspector General. Now we have battling I.G. reports.

    The tone of Dilanian’s story is that Gohmert is right wing and the Daily Caller story should therefore be considered much less credible than his NBC version.

    Of course, I am not an esteemed intelligence analyst and I certainly don’t know any. I am fairly confident, however, that Hillary’s throwaway email server had no more security features than my own or the average American’s.

    What that means, of course, is that if the Chinese were interested in hacking our amazingly reckless Secretary of State they undoubtedly did so. So did any other curious nation. That is what only pretending to have cyber security means. It is akin to getting naked in front of your large bedroom windows every night and practicing your erotic dancing under bright lights. You can have your town police chief give a statement two years later that there is no evidence that any peeping tom ever stood on your lawn and watched, but what value is that kind of statement?

    Sorry NBC, sorry Ken Dilanian, Trump wins this round with anyone possessing a brain.

    1. That is some nice blind speculation. You can make up any facts without evidence!

      The stuff on the server wouldn’t be a great prize anyway. The state secrets weren’t on this server. However, if she had used the state department server, it would be 100% certain that it had been hacked.

      1. We do not know what was or wasn’t on this server. No FOIA request will ever reveal what Hillary ordered to be acid washed away and no one will put back together devices she ordered smashed with hammers. However, the wise rule in warfare is when your secret dispatch agent is found dead and his satchel is missing, you have to assume the worst. The Germans assumed that the British could not break the codes with which their submarines were instructed. Wrong. The USA assumed that its teletypewriter code system was impenetrable. The Israelis knew something was really wrong with that assumption and were forced in desperation to bomb the USS Liberty to stop their own ally from spying on them! Much later our Navy figured out the John Walker spy thing.

        1. I think I’ll memorialize a little more about this I just recalled. I once worked in Seattle law enforcement with a guy named Al Carter. Back in the 1960’s Al was the Navy petty officer in the code room of the USS Pueblo (a coastal surveillance vessel) responsible for the teletypewriter that spit out the secret messages. Now the Russians had the text codes from John Walker but they needed a physical teletypewriter itself to figure out how the message downloaded.

          So, Moscow basically hired the North Koreans to go out and grab the USS Pueblo which our Navy was operating much too close and much too unprotected to Nork territory.

          My pal Al and the rest of the spy ship crew spent a real bad year in Nork captivity. Al expected it to be a lot worse for him but fortunately the Norks immediately removed the automatic code typer and put it on an airplane for Russia so he didn’t get tortured more than normal.

      2. Happy Chandler|8.29.18 @ 7:08PM|#
        “The stuff on the server wouldn’t be a great prize anyway.”

        You claimed it. Prove it, shitbag.

    2. Not to mention John Kelly’s cell phone.

    3. Well said, Michael.
      I’d submit the complete massacre of our HUMINT network in China over the last few years as rather compelling evidence.

  19. I’d also like to see them driven before me. And hear the lamentations of their women.

    1. Possibly torn asunder?

    2. WWTDD – What Would Thulsa Doom Do?

  20. Even if Trump were not a wonderful leader and a prime moral example to both me and my daughter on how to treat women, I still would have all the pleasure of watching Hillary CLINTON blow her head off after she lost the election in 2016. I mean, the look on Bill’s face when she put that gun in her mouth. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… that’s what you get for murdering Vincent Bugliosi, you bitch.

  21. I confess to being second to none in stridency as a defender of Trump, although I came late to it and reluctantly. People who are sexually amoral have always bothered me. It goes back to crap in my childhood, but also to a lifetime of watching people I loved or admired do so much harm because of failure to control their urges.

    Nevertheless, Trump became president and I became aware that in some mysterious way this flawed and extravagant man was out to do a bunch of crucial things that (to my mind) have desperately needed doing for much too long.

    Then I became aware that a powerful and extraordinarily nasty opposition had arisen that certainly did not intend to allow my quaint traditional notions of what the rule of law or constitutional procedure might be to stop them from removing Donald J. Trump from the White House by any means they chose.

    I really can’t fathom the folks at the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, and so forth who signed on to this Deep State insurgency. So readily, so easily, they accepted fabricating evidence to hoodwink FISA courts. So naturally it came to them that the processes of justice should be two tiers and two radically separate standards, one for the untouchable Hillary, and the other for Republicans and other Trump associates.

    How do people, many trained in law, most with above-average education, become like that?

    Maybe above-average damns with faint praise. A report today asserts that most Americans can not name one Supreme Court Justice.

    1. Setting aside the loons, Americans vote for the presidency based on the ham sandwich rule: I.e., which candidate will best help us to 1) have the sandwich, 2) eat it in peace and 3) get seconds if we want. Oh, then we ask which person we’d want to join us for one.

      So picking Trump over Hillary wasn’t difficult-unless you were out to lunch.

      1. I’d add choice:
        A ham sandwich lunch with a blowhard like Trump or a proven liar like the hag.
        Trump would be obnoxious, the hag would be insufferable.

        1. And the trouble makers, who do not talk to pollsters, or at least lie to them, sit around eating pizza.

    2. “I really can’t fathom the folks at the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, and so forth who signed on to this Deep State insurgency. So readily, so easily, they accepted fabricating evidence to hoodwink FISA courts.”

      They’ve been doing it for years, it wasn’t actually a change of procedure. Seriously, the FISA judges are rubber stamps, and are used to being lied to.

      We don’t even know that spying on the opposition campaign is new. Maybe the only new thing about it was finding out.

  22. What the Democrats don’t seem to realize is that Trump’s supporters didn’t really vote *for Trump*; they were voting *against Hillary* — her and all her DNC entourage. Still other people said “a plague on both your houses” and voted Libertarian. The Democrats, and their increasingly obvious media flacks, don’t understand that nearly half of the citizens *don’t like them*, and would vote for anybody or anything else. Getting rid of Trump, by any means, won’t change this. Worse, the Dems increasingly strident and hysterical speeches and actions are making them look still worse. By 2020 the GOP could run a chimpanzee for POTUS, and he’d win over the Dem candidate.

    1. Yeah.

      I wasn’t happy Trump won. I was happy that Hillary lost.

      People gave me shit for voting for Johnson “because it was people like me that lost Hillary the election”.

      Those people tended to shit themselves when I said that if Johnson hadn’t been in the race, the vote I’d have cast wouldn’t have benefited her.

  23. Yes which ever sides there will be violence but I think there will be more violence if the republicans win. The 2020 elections will be even worse. Then if Trump is able to run again and wins there will be blood running in the streets. Both the liberal/progressives and the ANTFA will be running wild with ANTFA will be spilling more blood than the rest.

    1. Rush Limbaugh has the proper perspective on all this when he cautions that the events that will swing the mid-term in 60 days probably have not even happened yet. I would not surprised at any wild thing of any magnitude just popping out of history on us like happened on the morning of 9/11/2001 while I was having coffee and absently watching TV.

      1. I’d expect a North Korean missile test, the Europeans ending trade talks, the Chinese confiscating American assets in China, a massacre of Kurds by the Turks, a massacre of Sunnis by Iranian backed Shiite militias in Iraq, a move by Saudi Arabia against Iraqi Shiites, the Dow hitting 20,000, and possibly a war between Pakistan and India.

        On the other hand, things might get bad.

        1. Just start lobbing nukes. Start with the chicoms.

    2. ANTIFA will only get violent in gun free zones. I don’t live in one so I’m not the least bit worried.

      The first time some poor fool being beaten by ANTIFA thugs pulls out a .357 magnum and perforates a few intestines will be the last time you see an ANTIFA riot in that part of town. It’s one thing to beat someone senseless, it’s something entirely different to see your comrade bleed out on the street and watch the light go out of his eyes.

      There will be blood on the streets but not very much and not for very long.

      1. They’re currently training in how to sucker punch somebody with a crippling blow, so that the poor fool never has a chance to pull out the .357 magnum. (Personally, I favor .45 LC, but that’s just because I’m fond of the revolver my dad gave me.) The planned mode of operation is, travel in large identically dressed groups, on a signal cripple some Republicans, and then play musical chairs so nobody can tell who did what.

        I think you’re right about the blood in the streets, but it will only happen when our side stops caring who did what, and just views anybody in black with a mask as a legitimate target.

        1. Never let someone like that close to you would be my suggestion.

          The more average people that are armed the more back up you have of someone does attack you.

  24. “As former close associates of the chief executive succumb to serious criminal charges, the Trump presidency should be on the ropes.”

    Please look up non sequitur.

  25. This is sad. We do need to get back to a point where we look at a policy, consider the facts and consequences and decide what is best for the country.

    The partisan divide if in part fear motivated. While I tend to vote on the Dem side, I am not going to say I am 100% happy with everything they do. However, I don’t like what a lot of Republicans want to do. So I know I vote more against what I don’t want than for what I do want. I am sure that is true of many Americans. However, if a Republican, Libertarian or anyone else had ideas that I agreed with, I would support them.

    I actually think it would be great is we could break-up both parties. The Republicans can break-up between the Religious Right, the Libertarians and the Pro-Business Republicans. The Democrats can break-up between the progressives, Christian Democrats (pro-social justice/ Anti-Abortion), and the Old Guard Democrats. Maybe a group of far right democrats and far left Republicans can form a centrist party. With more groups, compromise would be required. Simply destroying your enemy would not be an option.

    1. No.

    2. You have never heard of a country called India.

    3. I review the party platforms, and vote for the members of the party that is least offensive to my personal freedoms.
      I also cry a lot.

  26. This is sad. We do need to get back to a point where we look at a policy, consider the facts and consequences and decide what is best for the country.

    The partisan divide if in part fear motivated. While I tend to vote on the Dem side, I am not going to say I am 100% happy with everything they do. However, I don’t like what a lot of Republicans want to do. So I know I vote more against what I don’t want than for what I do want. I am sure that is true of many Americans. However, if a Republican, Libertarian or anyone else had ideas that I agreed with, I would support them.

    I actually think it would be great is we could break-up both parties. The Republicans can break-up between the Religious Right, the Libertarians and the Pro-Business Republicans. The Democrats can break-up between the progressives, Christian Democrats (pro-social justice/ Anti-Abortion), and the Old Guard Democrats. Maybe a group of far right democrats and far left Republicans can form a centrist party. With more groups, compromise would be required. Simply destroying your enemy would not be an option.

    1. Compromise has gotten us to this point.

      If you vote Democrat policies, youre the enemy. Your choices are ruining the USA. Hopefully you wake up in time but maybe you really believe the crap democrats support.

      Luckily, democrats are a dying party and a dying power base for American politics.

      It will be between republicans and libertarians. Socialists, democrats, and anarchists will be the tiny minority political views.

      1. Both looter parties are dying. The communist party is on death row even in Russia! Fat lot of good it can do the Dems! The Prohibition party finally abandoned the Race Suicide Amendment and is evangelizing ecological nationalsocialism instead.

  27. There is a reason Trump’s approval is stable. Folks can see the pattern after a while that most of the criticism is delusional and has proven over and over again to consist of lies. When you constantly engage in hyperbole based on nothing but a desire for what you want the truth to be instead of objective evidence, and then the “truth” has to be “walked back” over and over again a few days later, folks stop paying attention to the Left crying wolf. The only legitimate criticism I see for Trump is how he inappropriately too often tweets or comments stupidly and unwisely. His style isn’t the greatest for a President, but on most major policies, for the most part, he’s right, imo. I could care less about his personal life in the past. I think that’s another reason his support is stable as a large fraction of the nonestablishment right at least think about that last point similarly.

    1. Trump seems to be the president with the most investigated “personal life in the past”. Truly and honestly.

      1. You might want to try a different search engine.

  28. My god, proggies are insufferably passive aggressive.

    1. Progressivism is a religion and progressives are religious fanatics seeking to undermine the separation of church and state. They are traitors to the constitution, which justifies putting a target on every one of them.

  29. The dims are un-American degenerate perverts. Bring it, creeps. You will get a war which we will win.

  30. Trump’s popularity isn’t so hard to understand, see:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTgMJMADxew
    Also the Dem alternative is carbon taxes and crippling power plants. Libertarian spoiler votes pack extra law-changing clout when office-seeker dogfights are at their bloodiest and most vicious. Voting for freedom wins over voting from fear because it actually repeals bad laws.

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