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Mandatory Transparent Backpacks Violate Students' Privacy Rights

"My school is starting to feel like a prison."

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Students returned to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School this morning sporting new, mandatory transparent backpacks.

This so-called safety measure, like so many others proposed in the wake of the horrific mass shooting—installing metal detectors, hiring more school resource officers, raising the minimum age to purchase an AR-15—is security theater.

One can understand why survivors of the Parkland shooting might want an extra level of comfort as they resume classes this week. But many students seem to understand that the transparent backpack mandate is a violation of their privacy rights. "My school is starting to feel like a prison," student Sarah Chadwick said, according to Buzzfeed News.

Another student, Delaney Tarr, posted a picture of her new backpack on Twitter with the caption, "Starting off the last quarter of senior year right, with a good ol' violation of privacy!" She also complained about walking through a fenced line with a checked bag.

Tarr is right. These are perfectly reasonable objections to a policy that probably isn't going to make Stoneman Douglas any safer from a rampage. In any case, teenagers should be allowed to express their individuality by choosing their own backpacks and keeping their stuff hidden from private view. Many students might be carrying items than they would rather not display to the entire student body: medicine, toiletries, etc.

The same goes for other "security" measures, such as metal detectors, wands, and school resource officers. There are good reasons to doubt that these policies actually promote safety. They do, however, make schools more prison-like. In the case of school resource officers, the attempted trade-off between safety and liberty seems especially unwise. This is something students of color tend to understand a bit better than their white peers: At a press conference last week, black Stoneman Douglas students told reporters that more cops would actually make them feel less safe. Police violence often disproportionately affects minority communities, so such concerns seem well-founded.

Policies aimed making it harder for people to own firearms aren't fundamentally different from the above security measures, even if some students feel otherwise. Take Carly Novell, who wrote on Twitter: "We want to be safe, not uncomfortable. The only thing that can really have an impact on our safety is gun control."

But "gun control" is another dubious trade-off, like transparent backpacks and cops in schools. It's just that with this piece of security theater, the people who suffer the infringements on their liberties are gun owners rather than (or as well as) students. Gun owners of color, of course, have good reason to think a governmental anti-gun policy would disproportionately target them. That's one reason Killer Mike, the left-leaning rapper and activist, is suspicious of gun control (though he apparently resents being used by the NRA).

It may not matter to Novell or the Parkland activists whether other people are allowed to exercise their Second Amendment rights. But the principle is the same as it is with transparent backpacks: No one's liberties should be infringed just because agents of the state arbitrarily decide that a new policy might somehow make somebody feel safer.

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  1. No one gives two shits about privacy these days.

    1. The students, led by Hogg, are asking for us to do anything to make them safer. Apparently it is only anything that imposes conditions on “us” and not “them.”

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      2. Yep. They wanted “something” done to make them “safe”. Be careful what you wish for.

    2. This rule does not go far enough. Students can still hide weapons or drugs in their pants.

      1. Pants?! What about “natures pocket? They could definitely be hiding stuff in there.

      2. So…we send them to school in the nude?! That would bare up a lot more private things!

      3. Strapped naked and spread eagle to a clear poly-carbonate spinning wheel under an X-Ray.
        This is our fate.

    3. Somehow I missed the part where the killer hid his AR-15 in his opaque backpack.

  2. “though he apparently resents being used by the NRA”

    Translation: Oh shit, my manager told me that all the right thinking people are totes pissed that I’ve strayed from the narrative and I instantly regret that

  3. No ditching school for a lefty funded protest in Washington D.C. to fight the Nanny-State demanding students wear transparent backpacks?

    I guess its only done to take away fundamental rights like the right to keep and bear arms.

    1. Basically.

      They CLEARLY don’t find it that big a problem as they are going along with it and not protesting. When one shows what one does when they feel a serious problem is ongoing, then that becomes the baseline for what issues they feel are serious or not.

      1. Its hard to take these people seriously because they are so wishy-washy about “rights”.

      2. “See what you made us do? Now we have to have clear backpacks because YOU people refuse to do what we told you and get rid of guns! Now we have to go to school like prisoners and it’s all your fault!”

        1. Yep, you 150 million gun owners didn’t agree to give up your rights for our feelings and now all 3,000 of us have to carry clear backpacks. It isn’t fair.

  4. “My school is starting to feel like a prison.”

    Starting to?

    1. Frogs, water, source of heat…

      1. It’s a myth, dude.

        1. Oh look, you’re THAT guy.

  5. Tarr is right. These are perfectly reasonable objections to a policy that probably isn’t going to make Stoneman Douglas any safer from a rampage. In any case, teenagers should be allowed to express their individuality by choosing their own backpacks and keeping their stuff hidden from private view. Many students might be carrying items than they would rather not display to the entire student body: medicine, toiletries, etc.

    Their classmates want to prevent a guy from Montana from buying a gun. To keep in mind how “reasonable” their wants and needs are.

    black Stoneman Douglas students told reporters that more cops would actually make them feel less safe.

    The ONLY thing that works, for them, is for people thousands of miles away to be blocked from buying a gun.

    You know who gives two shits if the Parkland bitches are unhappy? Not me.

    1. Like Cruz is going to escape prison and come back and shoot up the school again

      1. Exactly.
        “But you guys, there’s so much TERROR right now!”
        Yes, in your head. You’re traumatized. It was a black swan event. Increased security is all theater because it will probably (hopefully, unless you’re cursed) never happen again in your life, even without increased security.
        I guess feelz rule and statistics drool.

        1. Those Proletariat Serfs like Hogg and his Progressive Elitist Masters are all about propaganda, emotion, & feelz over facts, logic, reason, & critical thinking.

        2. To be fair, there is a flood of school-shooting terror right now.

          It’s on the Television News.

      2. Maybe they bullied more kids into homicidal rage…….

    2. +1

  6. The same logic behind clear backpacks is the same one used to justify not allowing students to carry backpacks to class. Children in schools do not enjoy the full benefits of individual rights.

  7. First they came for the second amendment
    then they came for the first amendment
    now they come for the others
    you ain’t got no privacy rights, deal with it.

    1. Students often forget that they attend school at a government facility therefore their Rights are limited just as they are if they go into other areas controlled by government.

      Perhaps the students should look at Hogg, Kasky, et.al. and thank them for the new security rules at their school.

  8. No one’s liberties should be infringed just because agents of the state arbitrarily decide that a new policy might somehow make somebody feel safer.

    They’re at school to learn. The backpacks constitute an excellent object lesson.

    1. Endless discussions about government tyranny and the Nanny-State….

    2. “”No one’s liberties should be infringed just because agents of the state arbitrarily decide that a new policy might somehow make somebody feel safer.””

      I totally agree. However, many of the students there do not. They want gun laws that do just that, Infringe on liberties in the name of feeling safer.

      They basically are turning to a system (government) the is big on swinging the hammer when you asked for a screwdriver. They just don’t have enough political experience to understand this is how the government responds.

      1. “”the is big”‘

        should be “that is big..”

    3. They wanted More Government, and they got it.

  9. The most important lesson from this tragedy is that this country needs common sense gun safety legislation. And yet the subject keeps getting changed to something else. “Did local authorities screw up?” “Should we put armed guards in schools?” “Let’s make the kids wear transparent backpacks!”

    Forget all that nonsense. What we need to do is support politicians who are not controlled by the NRA. #BlueWave

    1. Damn straight. WE’RE not supposed to give up our civil rights – those other people are.

      Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it……..

      1. Besides, a lot of gun owners wear trucker hats, and not ironically, and like, do jobs that get their hands dirty. Who cares what they think, they probably are not even woke.

    2. I assume there may be one or two, but I can’t offhand think of a single politician who is “controlled by the NRA”. Your contributions might be taken more seriously if you would take your anti-hysteria pill as prescribed.

    3. What we need are FBI who take threats seriously, and local police who do their job and arrest dangerous people who have assaulted others.

  10. They screamed, “Do something! Anything!” They have only themselves to blame. I have little sympathy because instead of bringing in the homeschool and autistic kids they are continuing to stigmatize them. Recently they arrested Nikolas Cruz’s brother for skateboarding on the property.

    1. 500,000.00 bond for misdemeanor trespassing? Seriously?
      ” Deputies said one reason they are concerned with Zachary Cruz, according to the petition, is that they asked him his plans for the future and he responded, ‘I don’t know right now.'”
      Oh well that explains it.

      1. “Defense lawyer Joseph Kimok objected to the bond amount, noting that a typical case of trespassing comes with a $25 bond.”
        Yeah but he has no plans for the future so he’s an obvious flight risk.

        1. Dear lord Broward County has some problems.

          72-hour hold, GVRO, and a $500,000 bond definitely aren’t signaling that they think this kid is also a spree killer.

          GRVO is superfluous because the mental health hold has now barred him from ever buying or owning a gun again.

          John Mansfield, 17, a junior, said perhaps Zachary Cruz was trying to make sense of the tragedy.

          “I think he’s trying to understand like everyone else,” he said.

          The only sane person in the article is 17. Man, I always feel bad for the families of the shooters, too. They’ll never shake that guilt.

          1. After the Nickel Mines shooting in Amish country in PA, the Amish took food to the family of the shooter, because the Amish felt that the shooter’s family was as much a victim as they were.

  11. To be sure, boys who identify as girls showering with biological girls is not a violation of privacy rights. But, forcing students to only use clear back packs is totally a violation of privacy rights.

    Peak Reason

    1. boys who identify as girls

      No such thing. A human being under age 18 who identifies as a girl is, in fact, a girl. You should have said “Girls with penises using the same bathroom as girls without…” which still would have been transphobic, but at least the terminology would be accurate.

      #TransWomenAreWomen

      1. Actually they are mental defectives.

        1. Not cool man, seriously. I know that OBL is a parody account (or ENB, I’m still not sure), but no human is “defective”. Not even Hail Rataxes

          1. People who do not know if they are a boy or girl have mental problems. They should not be in the military nor would I want them around something important. Bradley Manning is an example of this failed leniency.

            I give that dude some slack because he exposed government violations of the Constitution even if he did it for non-patriotic reasons.

            “Mental defectives” might be a harsh word but its come to that.

            Families used to keep their retarded family members at home. Now they roam around and expect everyone to lie to them and keep them in a safe space.

            1. Now they roam around and expect everyone to lie to them and keep them in a safe space.

              The orderlies at your nursing home are failing miserably.

            2. “Families used to keep their retarded family members at home. Now they roam around and expect everyone to lie to them and keep them in a safe space.”

              That’s just wrong and insulting. People should be treated as individuals and not as representatives of some amorphous group. This is some really harsh wording directed toward children that, like most adolescents, are confused. It makes it hard to listen to any of your other points when you are being so dismissive toward people who identify as transgender.

              1. I agree to a point. but at the same time, this is clearly some sort of mental illness, and if some guy thought he was Napolean, we wouldn’t go around pretending we were part of his army.

          2. Would you say the same thing about people with ableism, those who wish to cut off body parts to cripple themselves? Same spectrum.

      2. Incorrect: Female humans have ovaries, Fallopian tubes, and a uterus, and during their reproductive years, they menstruate once a month (something the best surgeons in the world cannot replicate). And, as any true sex expert will tell you, these are not incidental biological functions but are intimately connected with a woman’s sense of self.

        A human male, regardless of his age, “who identifies as a girl” is PRETENDING to be a girl and no more. That’s not “transphobia” (whatever the hell that is) but biological truth.

        If Caitlyn Jenner wants to call himself “Caitlyn,” that’s fine with me (that is HIS legal name). But, neither he nor you can impose on me any obligation to treat his pretense as some new reality.

        Mr. Jenner is a surgically altered male and no more; the legal implications of saying otherwise are genuinely alarming.

        1. Very well said, and I completely agree.

          1. I agree too, RC nailed it.

        2. How is it alarming?

          1. maybe by ignoring scientific fact which I thought only Rethugians did by denying global warming

        3. That’s where the logic of free expression, including “self-identifying” goes off the rails.

          If you are free to call yourself whatever you want, then I am free to call you whatever I want. Your pretense does not over-rule reality.

          1. That’s the best reply to YOU MUST SAY I’M A GIRL etc that I’ve ever seen. Bravo.

      3. which still would have been transphobic, but at least the terminology would be accurate.

        I’m agreeing with OBL here. If you insist that your identity is whatever you say it is, continuing to refer to youas *wink wink*boys who identify as girls*wink wink* or even continuing to refer to you as trans is problematic.

        “Trans” effectively doesn’t exist.

      4. So, if I want to be a dolphin?

    2. Hate fact!

    3. Girls who are boys
      Who like boys to be girls
      Who do boys like they’re girls
      Who do girls like they’re boys

    4. It isn’t really a faux libertarian party until the authoritarian, right-wing bigots arrive.

      This party has started.

      1. Fuck off, slaver.

  12. “Starting off the last quarter of senior year right, with a good ol’ violation of privacy!”

    “I want to be safe from others, nobody needs to be kept safe from me.”

    Keep up the whining, dummy.

  13. Student’s only have limited rights, including privacy rights. There is no way a school could operate if students were allowed to have normal adult rights.

    1. Its why there is a massive “rights” line at the age of majority.

      If you’re underage, your parents gave us permission to babysit you and that allows the adults here to operate somewhat differently than your parents.

      If you’re and adult, then you don’t have to be here.

      1. “If you’re underage, your parents gave us permission to babysit you”
        Um nobody asked for my permission. Here in my state we have a thing euphemistically called “compulsory education”. It’s not a particularly apt description of what actually takes place, but like all things compelled by government it comes with a threat of violence. Around here if you don’t submit, sooner or later the sheriff will show up on your doorstep. If you fail to respect his autoritah, he will shoot you, your dog, and your kid if he gets in the way. Maybe it’s different where you live.

      2. Another thing is that this isn’t a new thing. I taught from 1992-2000. Schools were adopting clear backpacks then, although the reasoning was drugs. Since I taught at semi-inner city schools, nobody seemed to object. At that time, the students were given the option of mesh or clear backpacks. The clear backpacks are horrible. They tear easily, and will last probaly the rest of the school year for the Parklands students. The mesh backpacks weren’t bad. They were fairly durable, and I even bought one for myself–it was a great beach backpack. Shake it a few times, and you got rid of any sand that got in.

    2. Mandatory Transparent Backpacks Violate Students’ Privacy Rights

      Just more histrionics from Soave.

    3. Perhaps we can get Mr. Hogg on stage to give a rousing speech on this.

    4. There is no way a school could operate if students were allowed to have normal adult rights.

      Are college students considered adults? How do those schools function at all then?

      1. They function by creating safe spaces, working from the position that white males are rapists, and that Christian organizations must allow Leftists into their clubs.

      2. Ok, I’ll amend that. There’s no way a compulsory k-12 school could operate if students were allowed to have normal adult rights.

        Colleges have adults (for the most part) as students. They do have normal adult rights.

  14. Let me see if I have this right:

    The demodonkeys (who control Miami and Broward County), in response to the murderous rampage of a FORMER student WHO HAD BEEN KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL and the FAILURE of the local sheriff’s office to intercept him thereafter, demand as a curative that ALL of the students NOT KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL use transparent backpacks while submitting to random inspections (to make sure they are not carrying guns); and, these same demodonkeys also want MORE GUN-CONTROL MEASURES which only will empower the sheriff in COLLIER COUNTY (controlled by the republicrats) to come start a gunfight with me (for possessing an AR-15 purchased almost 30 years ago as a COURT EXHIBIT and that NEVER actually has been fired)!

    And people still wonder why these braying jackasses aren’t invested with even more governmental power?

    I’m at a complete loss for words.

    1. And you missed the part where the killer used an AR-15, which is difficult to conceal in a school backpack.

  15. Usually I would care, but I realized that most of these people that “suffer” under this new rule aren’t even at the age of majority yet along with them being against people at the age of majority exercising their 2A rights along with anybody else. So fuck ’em, if they want privacy, then they should be homeschooled, drop out of school or go to a private school if they don’t want clear backpacks. No one is forcing them to stay in school except for them.

    1. And no one “forces” you to fly on an airplane either, but if you do, some self-appointed “security expert” is going to force you to take off your shoes — and all because some yo-yo had the brilliant idea of giving himself a hotfoot as part of his effort to set off a high explosive with a flame sprit (which cannot be done).

  16. “My school is starting to feel like a prison,” student Sarah Chadwick said, according to Buzzfeed News.

    Oh, you thought they were just going after AR15s in flyover country? LOL.

    1. They were not smart enough to know what the next step would look like.

      1. They have a breadth of historical perspective and hard-won wisdom.

  17. Many years ago my wife worked for a major department store. Employees that wished to bring purses in to work were required to use clear bags/purses. As I recall, it was to reduce shrinkage (stealing by employees on the job). Didn’t seem like a big deal back then to my wife. I don’t think she felt like her privacy rights were violated.

    1. Even when her 8″ EDC dildo was clearly visible?

      1. Maybe it was transparent too.

    2. That MUST have been many years ago.

    3. Did an internship at an ink cartridge packaging plant that was the same way. No phones on the floor, either. Those damn $40 cartridges are serious business. Huge black market for them.

    4. I have several friends who are corrections officers. At one jail, they are not even allowed to bring their own lunch in, they have to eat what the prisoners eat, because of the security risk.

  18. *wants more government—->got more government*

    1. Exactly

  19. Minors at school have privacy rights? Since when?

    1. Obviously I mean this in the context of this article. Like having lockers at your place of employment, you have no expectation of privacy on/in company property. Same thing applies to schools, does it not?

      1. The constitutional rights of minors in K-12 US public schools have to be consistent with the smooth running of the school.

    2. Bingo

    3. Since Soave emoted them into existence.

  20. “In any case, teenagers should be allowed to express their individuality by choosing their own backpacks and keeping their stuff hidden from private view.”

    Really Robby? Haven’t we been though this before? What about hair color, length, clothing – so they can come in nude if you are a nudist right? It’s freedom of expression. Can they wear a Trump shirt or a Nazi shirt say? What about that? What is your line?

    Schools aren’t a place for freedom of expression. They are a place to learn. I agree they aren’t private schools where you have have a dress code but there is still a code to private schools, you can express yourself in anyways.

    A lot of public schools limit sneaker choices, clothing, jewelry, etc for the safety of the students (Aka they were stolen/robbed). Why is this different?

    1. Schools aren’t a place for freedom of expression.

      Certainly not the ones run by the government.

    2. I’m sick of my tax dollars being used to build college campuses for 15 year-olds and to indoctrinate them against my interests.

    3. Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District is coming up on its 50th anniversary. You should re-read it.

  21. “”Schools aren’t a place for freedom of expression””

    Yeah, have someone show up at the school wearing a t-shirt with an image of an AR-15. We’ll see if they really want freedom of expression.

    1. Or a sweatshirt with the Marine emblem even.

      1. The Marine emblem wearing kids should not be protected from teachers criticizing them for wearing the propaganda sweatshirt.

        1. The Marine emblem wearing kids should not be protected from teachers criticizing them for wearing the propaganda sweatshirt.

          Why reason could there be for a teacher criticizing a student for wearing a Marine sweatshirt unless it violates a school dress code in some way in which case it would be a school infraction? I could see it triggering a discussion on the role of the military, US defense policy etc. but not negative comments just for wearing the shirt.

        2. Any adult that curses at a kid who wears a Marine emblem sweatshirt is a time bomb waiting to happen, and should be fired, and not allowed to work with kids. Interestingly, that’s what they did. They fired the teacher.

      2. I believe in one case it wasn’t actually the EGA, the Marine emblem, but some other image that -shock horror-showed Marines with rifles and other assorted weapons that triggered a teacher.

  22. In fact, too many protest (more than perhaps one or two every decade) just make those few that are really necessary something people pay attention to. No they are a dime a dozen and some of them every bit as big as yours.

    Please learn a basic rule of life you can do nothing about. Just because something happens, however, “dramatic it might be” and hopefully you never have to go to war and watch thousands of your fellow friends and soldiers die a horrible death on some beach like Normandy that died so you would not have to feel like you were in a prison…. it’s call person freedom (for which there are personal responsibilities also you can not avoid.)

    That Just doesn’t mean that there is necessarily a solution to it not happening. That we can solve more than we do, does not suspend in any way this RULE WE CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT. What you and the rest of us need to reaffirm is the need to develop the wisdom to know the difference between what we can do and what we can not do. Please spend your time learning not protesting like your parents have unsuccessfully done so repeatedly for decades.

  23. Well students….. you got what you asked for . You demanded something be done. You did not provide the solution. It was in effect a demand simply that something be done. It doesn’t apparently matter what was done. JUST DO SOMETHING. SO THEY DID.

    If you don’t have the practical solution then maybe just maybe you have to learn YOU’RE PROTEST WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT NECESSARY. WE WERE ALL AWARE OF THE PROBLEM ……and didn’t to to experience the horror that you went through to be aware OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE AWARE OF.

    The problem was what to do about it GIVEN THAT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED and just because IF THERE WAS NO OTHER CONSIDERATION WHATSOEVER if we could and did eliminate ALL GUNS IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY STOP FURTHER MASS KILLINGS BY GUNS.

    Why are you now complaining about “feeling that you are in prison”???? You are experiencing what you ask for. do something anything will do. You should now understand why you’re protesting was irrelevant to solving the problem!!!!

    And the fact is that now you are experiencing what you would rather not have. And you got nothing in return. THERE ARE STILL EXACTLY THE SAME NUMBER OF UNIDENTIFIED MASS KILLERS OUT THERE AND EVEN IF GUNS WERE BANNED THEY WOULD SIMPLY TURN TO SOME OTHER TOOL AND MISUSE IT AND ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING. And there are many to chose from including simply drive a car down a sidewalk full of students or others.

  24. Another reason to get our kids out of public schools.

    1. This is the solution to all of this. Small self-organized neighborhood schools need to be the norm. Let the parents fund them, perhaps with state taxpayer supplied grants to the parents.

      Parents are motivated to get their kids an education that makes the kids employable, because the alternative is to support the kids for the rest of their lives. If you do it really right, your kid may support you.

      1. Start with getting rid of the DoEd first and returning complete control back to the States.

        1. Yes!

  25. These are perfectly reasonable objections to a policy that probably isn’t going to make Stoneman Douglas any safer from a rampage.

    Neither will banning AR-15s, but they’re demanding it all the same.

    I understand they went through a traumatic experience, but if being required to have a clear backpack in the environment of hysteria they and their peers have milked is a bridge to far for them, I’m not going to waste any sympathy for them. You wanted rights taken away in the name of greater safety, this is just the next logical step in doing so. I hope every school institutes this type of policy where the walkouts took place.

    Maybe the Douglas kids should take it up with David “Forever Alone” Hogg and Sinead O’ Lopez if they’re mad about this.

  26. Delaney Tarr is a fucking moron.

    A hot fucking moron.

    But a fucking moron, nonetheless.

    1. She wears those glasses for a reason.

    2. Maybe she’s just not a socially awkward, disaffected, bigoted, right-leaning, authoritarian, faux libertarian’s type?

      1. Fuck off, slaver.

  27. Doesn’t violate privacy — but unless everything in the backpack is also required to be transparent, it’s also not very effective. The kids could still cut out the middle of a few hundred pages of Atlas Shrugged and hide a baby Glock in it.

    1. Doubt if they’d get through the door with a copy of Atlas Shrugged. Too triggering.

    2. Having Atlas Shrugged would be the tell on that one. Immediate reeducation required even without the Glock.

      1. Good point. They might have to put a book jacket for Heather Has Two Mommies over it.

  28. People really seem to hate it when their desires are turned back on them. This is just a case of instant karma.
    I don’t know what good a clear backpack would do, just put the gun/knife/weed/pills inside a pack inside the backpack. But I am glad that those who want rights they don’t enjoy taken away are getting a taste of their own medicine before their desires are realized. Too bad they’re not comprehending the irony.

  29. Irrational fear is what always promotes government action.

    And schools have been prisons ever since compulsory education laws were passed, in the 19th Century.

    Nothing new here.

  30. “Police violence often disproportionately affects minority communities”

    It’s curious that non-police violence “often disproportionately affects minority communities.”

    1. Its almost as if minority instigated violence disproportionately affects minority communities.

  31. Just cover everything in the clear backpacks in brown-paper book covers!

    Of course, it’s not like everything in there isn’t books provided by the school anyway ? it almost makes one wonder why more schools don’t just save a step and hand out prestocked backpacks at the start of the year.

  32. So why are those parents still sending their kids to government schools?

  33. Well, kid, you ARE in prison. It is called the public school system. Escape, if you can.

  34. That torpedo that Hogg launched has circled around and hit you guys….

    Had you kids been more mature, you’d have understood about ‘unintended consequences’. Now, having demanded fewer liberties for a little security, you wind up with neither.

  35. These kids wanted more government in response to the actions of one nut, and they got it.

  36. Be careful what you ask for kids, you may get it.

  37. The Plastic backpack-Public school Complex has been pushing this for years. They won’t let this opportunity pass.

    1. You say this sarcastically, but I bet you are right.

  38. “My school is starting to feel like a prison.”

    That’s so ridiculous! It’s not a prison!

    It’s a forced labor indoctrination camp. It’s prison+.

    The complaints about security in the prison+ camps for children are absurd. This is one case where the government is actually doing something that it should be doing – providing security for the animals they cage. It is particularly absurd in the context of the Parkland Massacre.

    The greatest contributor to the Parkland Massacre was government *policy* in Broward County, pushed by the Obama administration, titled “Collaborative Agreement on School Discipline”, in which the Schools, Courts, and Police agreed not to uphold the law on student offenders

    Coulter:
    This primitive, stone-age thinking was made official Broward County policy in a Nov. 5, 2013, agreement titled “Collaborative Agreement on School Discipline.”
    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2018-03-07.html

    Coulter:
    The first “whereas” clause of the agreement states that “the use of arrests and referrals to the criminal justice system may decrease a student’s chance of graduation, entering higher education, joining the military and getting a job.”

    COLLABORATIVE AGREEMENT ON SCHOOL DISCIPLINE
    THIS AGREEMENT
    is made and entered into as of this 5 day of November, 2013, by and between
    THE SCHOOL BOARD OF BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA
    https://goo.gl/Ewbczc

    1. Do guys like buybuydandavis continue to claim to be libertarians, or have they come out of the faux libertarian closet and embraced their right-wing nanny-statism?

      1. Fuck off, slaver.

  39. And now you know what happens when you want government to solve your problems.

  40. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

    I just reread the entire constitution; nothing about the right to keep and bear non-clear backpacks. You lose kid.

  41. They were so upset their closely guarded privacy was being violated they told everyone about it on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, SnapChat, and obligatory videos on YouTube.

  42. Students getting selective about their constitutional rights? I thought this was what they wanted.

  43. When I was a kid nobody had backpacks, all your shit was on display for everyone to see every day.

    1. When I was in high school, we had such a problem with drugs that they closed up or removed all the lockers. Everyone stumbled around with backpacks loaded up for 7 classes every day.

      Somehow everyone in high school still did drugs. Weird.

      1. When I was a kid we had lockers big enough to hold an average teenager. We could put our own locks on them, and some of us did. Some students had guns in their cars and occasionally a rifle racked in the back window of a pickup.

        I walked a couple miles to school so I carried a real backpacking backpack with a big knife and a Crossman CO2 pistol in it and a change of clothing. No books. If I had homework, I hung out at school and finished it with my friends. The school was mostly open for anyone to roam in or out of till at least 8pm.

        I don’t remember anything more violent than fist fights.

        I think the safe world we have created is far more damaging than what it replaced.

        1. But all that stuff makes people feel threatened. Nevermind what actually happens, it’s all about feelings of safety.

  44. Nobody is going to violate your privacy, we just need you to use clear backpacks. It’s common sense!

    We also don’t want to take your guns away, we’re just looking for common sense regulation!

  45. Sorry but I think it is very ironic that these kids are all whining about “their rights” yet they have no problem advocating for stripping me of mine. They have swallowed the entire anti gun narrative they have a “right to feel safe” and the only way for that to be possible is confiscate my guns. Bags are checked at airports, concerts, sporting events. You are restricted to entering through specific entrances at all these locations and many business and government agencies require all employees wear badges. Everything these kids are whining about is a clear demonstration that they want to feel safe so long as they are not required to do anything to help make that happen. They do not seem to understand that Cruz broke a number of laws, Federal and state by just bringing the gun on campus. How would they have defended themselves if he had opted to use a Katana or broad sword? A lot of people would still be dead. The students say they want to feel safe, fine this is what it takes, so suck it up buttercup.

  46. Maybe we should consider sending all 13-23 year olds out to live in the woods. Those that survive could be welcomed back into adult society.

  47. Oh their rights are violated, sobsob, they gave up their liberty for security, there was gun control in that school, and 1 person broke the law, teachers obeyed the law and couldnt hold off an attack, and now they boohoo over clear back packs

  48. They asked for it, now they’re getting it. Sorry, but I have zero sympathy at this point for these entitled schmucks. They’re getting a good lesson in the law of unintended consequences. Fuck. Them.

  49. They’ll get to feel firsthand what an innocent, law-abiding gun owner feels to be wrongfully and pro-actively punished for crimes someone else committed.

    I hope they have enough intelligence to detect the irony in their calls to ban guns.

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  51. Isn’t Delaney Tarr, who is complaining about the backpacks, the same one who said “If they give us an inch, the bumpstock ban, we will take a mile?” Looks like the security theater club just wants to take their mile too.

    1. I’m going to guess that nothing you’ve said here has any basis in fact.

  52. Like a prison? No, not really. More like an airport or a government building or a pro sports venue or maybe a live concert. The clear plastic backpack more or less obviates the need for x-ray machines saving the school money.

    1. Ah, so you’re just a fascist, then.

  53. Many inner city schools have metal detectors, electronic wands, armed guards, security glass, locked and alarmed exterior doors, security cameras, etc. and guess what? You can’t bring a weapon into these schools. The other irony is you almost never hear inner city students complaining about excessive security and a lack of privacy.

    1. Yeah, and you didn’t hear the media reporting on German Jews complaining about their neighbors disappearing in the night. The lack of attention does not mean that they are not upset. It’s just that a few white kids involved in an easily politicized matter more to the media than hundreds of brown kids in a shitty school.

      Besides, I think you just aren’t paying enough attention to kids in inner city schools and are trying to pass it off as expertise. Many are unhappy about the security theater. Even if some aren’t that doesn’t really justify it.

  54. Many here are quick to note the “irony” of the kids complaining about their loss of privacy, after having called for expanded restrictions on gun ownership. (Notwithstanding the fact that, while their privacy rights are being summarily stripped away by unaccountable public employees, any meaningful threats to gun ownership have largely subsided.) Less commonly observed is the “irony” of so-called “libertarian” commenters mocking the kids’ loss of privacy, having spent the last couple of weeks caterwauling about the remote possibility that their own rights might possibly be slightly constrained by new restrictions on gun ownership, inspired by these kids’ efforts.

    Either you care about individual rights, or you don’t. If you don’t want anyone to strip away your rights, don’t celebrate when theirs get stripped away instead.

    1. Either you care about individual rights, or you don’t. If you don’t want anyone to strip away your rights, don’t celebrate when theirs get stripped away instead.

      Kids in schools have their minds destroyed by violence, leftist educators and mandatory propaganda, and you worry about their transparent backpacks? Give me a break.

      And, of course, public schools are the reason why kids like Hogg turn into Lil’ Goebbels.

      Less commonly observed is the “irony” of so-called “libertarian” commenters

      Libertarian commenters believe that public schools should be shuttered. Period.

      1. Kids in schools have their minds destroyed by violence, leftist educators and mandatory propaganda, and you worry about their transparent backpacks? Give me a break.

        More to the point, educators and administrators are stripping away the kids’ rights to privacy because adult politicians can’t seem to do anything about the root causes of gun violence.

        And, of course, public schools are the reason why kids like Hogg turn into Lil’ Goebbels.

        They may have something to do, also, with idiots like you touting garbage like this.

        Libertarian commenters believe that public schools should be shuttered. Period.

        Much better that we raise our kids in environments where they have no constitutionally protected rights at all, I guess?

  55. I admire their advocacy. I really do. But my goodness, are these kids dumb. So, what the hell does that say about the adults?

  56. They wanted safety through government regulation?

    They got it! Hope they enjoy it!

    (And, no, you have no expectation of privacy in a public school.)

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  58. As frustrating as this backpack policy is, the most annoying thing for me (as a parent) is having to replace these bags so frequently. They are just not durable enough for heavy school books. I managed to find a heavy duty backpack for my kids from https://www.bestbackpack.com/best-clear-backpacks/ which is great… but is this a long term solution for our kids? Secondary to this issue, is the fact that we are now adding to the already heavily burdened plastic waste issue. With so many plastic backpacks needing to be replaced so frequently… just think of how many are filling up landfills. We really need a better solution!

  59. Crazy!

    1. Next they will be banning my bluetoth speaker because I could just assault someone with it. These rules only punish the innocent. Smh.

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