Why the Summer Zervos Lawsuit Is Bad News for Donald Trump
"The President of the United States has no immunity and is 'subject to the laws' for purely private acts."
Can the president of the United States be sued for damages in a civil proceeding?
The answer depends on the nature of the president's alleged misconduct. In Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the president has immunity from civil suits that arise from the performance of the president's official duties. "In exercising the functions of his office," the Court said, "the head of an Executive Department, keeping within the limits of his authority, should not be under an apprehension that the motives that control his official conduct may, at any time, become the subject of inquiry in a civil suit for damages." According to the Court, "it would seriously cripple the proper and effective administration of public affairs as entrusted to the executive branch of the government, if he were subjected to any such restraint."
The president's unofficial conduct, however, is a different matter. In Clinton v. Jones (1997), the Supreme Court allowed Paula Jones' sexual harassment and defamation suit against President Bill Clinton to proceed in federal court because Clinton's alleged misconduct "was unrelated to any of his official duties as President of the United States and, indeed, occurred before he was elected to that office." In the Court's view, the "rationale for affording certain public servants immunity from suits for money damages arising out of their official acts is inapplicable to unofficial conduct."
Which brings us to President Donald Trump. Earlier this week, the president suffered a significant legal defeat when a judge in New York allowed a defamation suit filed by former Apprentice contestant Summer Zervos to proceed against him in state court. "No one is above the law," wrote New York Supreme Court Justice Jennifer Schecter, citing Clinton v. Jones. "It is settled that the President of the United States has no immunity and is 'subject to the laws' for purely private acts." (Note: the New York Supreme Court is not the state's highest court. That would be the New York Court of Appeals.)
To be sure, there is a difference between the present case and that 1997 SCOTUS decision. Zervos v. Trump deals with a defamation suit filed in state court, while Clinton v. Jones dealt with a suit filed in federal court. Does that difference matter? Not according to Justice Schecter. "The rule is no different for suits commenced in state court related to the President's unofficial conduct," she held. That judgment will likely be tested on appeal.
The matter of Zervos v. Trump originated in 2016 when Summer Zervos publicly alleged that in 2007 Donald Trump kissed and groped her without her consent. Then-candidate Trump denied those allegations, repeatedly describing Zervos as a liar and a fabricator. Zervos filed suit in response in January 2017, claiming that Trump made those statements about her "knowing they were false and/or with reckless disregard for their truth or falsity." She seeks $2,914 in damages, which is the amount of money that she says her restaurant business lost as a result of Trump's alleged defamations.
Tuesday's ruling by Justice Schecter did not address the merits of Zervos's complaint; it merely allowed the suit to move forward. But that is still a critical loss for Trump, who faces the possibility of real trouble as this litigation unfolds. Remember that the effort to impeach President Bill Clinton did not truly begin to build steam until after Clinton lied under oath about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. That act of perjury occurred during Clinton's deposition in the Paula Jones lawsuit.
Trump's opponents, needless to say, are hoping that he will make a comparable misstep in this case.
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Can the president of the United States be sued for damages in a civil proceeding?
Yes. Next question.
Good. Let's start a foundation that professionally sues Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton with the goal of bankrupting them. Then move in to various other powerful democrats.
OK, you just listed two people who aren't President. Good work staying on topic.
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Trump is on the ropes. I guess the Russian thing is sputtering out, but the DNA analysis of the dress stains will finish him.
Then, in 2036, Melania can narrowly lose the presidential election to Jeff Probst.
As long as she doesn't campaign in pant suits she'll get my vote anyway.
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"When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal"
...the New York Supreme Court is not the state's highest court.
I'm recommending the president sue for false advertising.
It's New York - if other jurisdictions do things differently, it's the other jurisdictions who are out of step.
The New York Supreme Court is what most states call a Superior Court, i.e., the principal trial court. So this is a small claims case. Fuggeddaboudit. Pay the whore (oops, plaintiff) her $2 and move on.
"She seeks $2,914 in damages"
From the purely political (not legal) standpoint, paying these damages would be easier than a long drawn-out scandal.
From a moral "she's a liar" and "grab them by the pussy" standpoint; she's alleged she was groped and kissed without her consent and is actually suing because he defamed her restaurant to the tune of $2,900.
#metoo #gimmegimme
I would speculate that the statute of limitations on the alleged groping has expired, so what's left is the alleged defamation.
I have no idea who's telling the truth - just that the sum she's asking for is much less that I would have expected from someone suing Donald Trump.
I mean, if I were suing him, I'd want him to cough up at least...ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
Right, my point wasn't just that the amount was small but, that if you assume her allegations to be fact, the statement "She's a lying whore who will let you grope her for free as long as she can sue you for $3K in a decade." is still a relatively true/valid statement.
She should probably just sell the movie rights to the incident and move on.
I have a production company and a Trump mask...all I need is an actress and some money.
So this is a small claims action? Geez. They each just spent more in lawyer's fees for the appeal than is at stake in the action. Stupid is as stupid does.
I'd like to see the evidence. Is her claim about Trump factual?
If not - she has a very weak case.
Lefty lawyers just want to depose Trump. There is probably a line of them wanting to help her case.
I'd like to see the evidence. Is her claim about Trump factual?
It could be a prototypical Title IX case. They met, he ordered food, groped her against her will, and she hung around for the rest of the meal and some after-dinner business advice. No calls to security, police report, cease and desist letters... nothing. The Daily Beast even went so far as to say that if Trump had kept the receipt of the sandwich he ordered that she remembered in detail, he could prove she was a liar.
Honestly, women like this need to be regarded as witches and burned. Not only are they pretty actively and literally facilitating men who think they can just grab women by the pussy and get away with it, they're undermining and betraying the #metoo movement and women's agency in general.
Clinton's legal legacy bites Trump. Trump is alienating all his somewhat competent lawyers and will have to start using the mediocre ones.
Fortunately, I think even a mediocre lawyer can handle this one. You'd have to be a real bone head to let the President get put on the stands to perjure himself over unwanted groping and kissing $3K in damages.
Have you seen the performances of Trump's lawyers to this point?
It's not about groping and kissing.
It's about him calling her a liar and a fabricator.
A case she can't win. Because she can't prove that she always tells the truth.
It's not about groping and kissing.
It's about him calling her a liar and a fabricator.
A case she can't win. Because she can't prove that she always tells the truth.
Right. The only way it blows up in his face the way Clinton's did is if Trump takes the stands and starts talking about who he did and did not have sex with, which he doesn't need to do because he's not on trial for harassment/assault the way Clinton was.
"...publicly alleged that in 2007 Donald Trump kissed and groped her without her consent. "
Statute of limitations have not passed?
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