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The Transgender Debate Is Overblown

Transgender individuals serve in the military, and will likely continue; Trump's directive will be overturned in court or reversed by a future administration.

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In 2003, Massachusetts became the first state to legalize gay marriage. Connecticut followed five years later, and then the dam crumbled. By 2013, twelve states and the District of Columbia allowed same-sex unions. Two years later, the Supreme Court made them legal throughout the country.

The year after that, Time magazine reported: "The U.S. divorce rate dropped for the third year in a row, reaching its lowest point in nearly 40 years." Moreover: "Marriage rates, on the other hand, increased last year (to) the highest number of marriages since 2009, which suggests that marriage rates may be stabilizing after decades of decline."

This is not exactly what gay-marriage opponents had predicted.

To the contrary, they had predicted utter catastrophe: the degradation—and perhaps the complete destruction—of "the institution of" marriage.

"Weakening marital norms will hurt children and spouses, especially the poorest," went one common argument. Let same-sex couples wed, opponents warned, and pretty soon people would be marrying their horses, pedophilia would be encouraged, and polygamy would be rampant.

"The emerging elite consensus in favor of same-sex marriage," contended National Review in 2010, "has an element of self-delusion about it. It denies that same-sex marriage would work a radical change in American law or society, insisting to the contrary that within a few years of its triumph everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about." NR conceded the latter theoretical possibility, but concluded: "If our understanding of marriage changes in this way, so much the worse for the future."

Well. The future is here now. And marriage-wise, things look pretty good.

The same story played out regarding the repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (DADT) policy on gays in the military.

Letting gays serve openly would inflict a "great cost," warned Sen. John McCain. Others predicted that openly gay service members would destroy "unit cohesion" and wreak havoc on "good order and discipline" to the point that it would "cost … lives." More than 1,000 retired officers wrote a public letter to President Obama predicting that the repeal of DADT would "break the all-volunteer force."

"Our finest, most effective non-commissioned officers will leave the service at the end of their current enlistment," fretted Oliver North, "and there won't be anyone around to train the next batch of replacements—assuming they can be recruited." Others predicted such great losses of personnel that the military would have to bring back the draft.

DADT was repealed nevertheless. Several years later, still no sign of the draft.

Racial integration of the armed forces? That, too, was supposed to lead to ruination. "The army is not a sociological laboratory," declared Col. Eugene Householder. Social experiments "are a danger to efficiency, discipline, and morale and would result in ultimate defeat."

"It is a well-known fact," said Army Secretary Kenneth Royall, "that close personal association with Negroes is distasteful to a large percentage of Southern whites."

Anybody who thinks a racially integrated military is a problem today, please raise your hand.

All of which is to suggest that the current contretemps over transgender people serving in the military is probably overblown.

Last week, the White House finally transformed the tweet-spurts from President Trump's id into an actual policy. It boils down to banning new transgender recruits, and deciding what to do with current personnel on a case-by-case basis.

That's an improvement over the president's earlier position, which could have led to the wholesale discharge of people serving their country with dedication and honor.

But it's still a step backward.

Which is not to say the previous policy was perfect.

Did the Obama administration act too precipitously when it ordered the services to start recruiting transgender individuals by July of this year? Yes.

Would accepting transgender recruits impose costs on a strained military budget? No doubt—although the total will amount to less than a rounding error in Pentagon financing: $20 million a year at most, which is less than one-fourth what the military spends on Viagra.

Does the issue raise difficult questions about barracks life, long-term deployment, and other facets of service unique to the armed forces? It certainly does—and military leaders need time to think them through with deliberation and care.

Nevertheless, transgender individuals serve in the military now. And they almost certainly will continue to do so—either because Trump's directive will be overturned in court, or because it will be reversed by a future administration.

To some, at present, this seems like a radical change in American law or society. But within a few years everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about.

This column originally appeared at the Richmon Times-Dispatch.

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  1. You allow transgender troops to commingle with normals then the next thing you know we’re going to be seeing things like the coed shower scene from Starship Troopers. I don’t know about you, but I, for one, don’t want to use the Starship Troopers movie as my template for daily living.

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    2. I’m not sure there is a problem with people who have already successfully transitioned serving.

      But, people going through the process require substantial psychiatric care. It’s not optional – if you want the drugs, if you want the surgery you must undergo extended psychiatric treatment. That is the standard of care for the condition.

      People requiring that level of psych care, for that or any other specific reason, are probably not appropriate for active duty.

      1. It’s not like there aren’t already a number of conditions that disqualify people from serving in the military or force them into medical retirement. The idea that transgenderism shouldn’t be included as one of these conditions, given the intense medical requirements people have to undergo to complete the transition and the extremely high rate of post-transition suicides (a serious concern if you take existing PTSD issues within the military into account), doesn’t really have any basis in logic.

        1. There is a logic at work. Once you realize neither the individual patient, nor the mission of the military is not the highest concern it becomes more apparent.

          This is about the practice (psychiatric treatment of a psychiatric defined disorder) and about enforcing acceptance of this form of treatment.

          Those are the overriding concerns at play.

          1. …mission on the military is the highest… (drop the not.)

        2. The logic is pretty simple.

          Being trans* doesn’t automatically make someone a bad soldier. Do some transmen and transwomen have problems that would make them bad soldiers? Sure. So do some cismen and ciswomen. You can handle it on a case-by-case basis without a blanket ban.

          1. It makes them mentally ill.

            So while having a mental illness does not per se make you a bad soldier, it does not make you a good soldier.

            One thing that most civilians don’t realize is that military people with mental issues like this and secrets that foreign powers can black mail you with, should not get security clearances.

            1. Bradley Manning is certainly reason enough to not have them.

            2. One thing that most civilians don’t realize is that military people with mental issues like this and secrets that foreign powers can black mail you with, should not get security clearances.
              Seriously?

              We have to ban trans* folk from serving, because they can be blackmailed for being trans. Why can they be blackmailed? Well, because trans* folk are banned from serving.

              That’s called “circular reasoning”. Also known as “Catch-22”, as made famous by the movie.

          2. Being trans* doesn’t automatically make someone a bad soldier

            That’s irrelevant to the fact that the military already bans people with certain medical conditions for joining, and a military that’s already trying to mitigate its suicide rates probably shouldn’t be signing up people whose rates are already astronomically high to begin with.

          3. You can also save yourself a great deal of trouble by using a blanket ban.

          4. Being trans* doesn’t automatically make someone a bad soldier.

            True, and for all the alt-right snowflakes who now dominate the commentariat … In the 70s, Goldwater, Reagan and Buckley were defending gays. Reagan even crushed the Christofascist attempt to ban gay school teachers, humiliating them with, “Homosexuals are no threat to our kids, because it’s not communicable, like measles.” The defeat of the Briggs Initiative was the first defeat for the nationwwide anti-gay Anita Bryant Crusade. which promptly

            Now the fascists, haters and bigots have united under a single banner, Alt-Right, with Ron Paul as their enabler, Donald Trump and Alex Jones as their leaders, and Breitbart as their Pravda.

            Goobers, hear your roar! DEFEND THE FATHERLAND!

    3. I don’t know about you, but I, for one, don’t want to use the Starship Troopers movie as my template for daily living.

      So don’t have coed showers in your house!! And learn what transgender means, so you stop making fool of yourself.

      Then join, if you haven’t already, Ron Paul’s cult of fellow fascists.
      Learn how to talk with a Gomer accent. and defend your RIGHT to be a thug.

    4. There is no ‘right’ to serve in the armed forces. It is NOT a jobs program for everyone’s convenience. There are MANY disqualifying conditions. To help some of the people here understand why it isn’t bigotry to keep TG people out, I have provided a link below that gives various lists of disqualifying conditions.

      https://goo.gl/a5nfCv

      1. Click Shirlord’s link. See what and why the disqualifying conditions are.
        Anyone with an IQ above 75 not know that “female” was one?

        What did he REALLY say?
        “Because there are disqualifying conditions. I can pull new ones out of my ass.”
        (I bet the KKK has a few, too)

        Is “homosexual” on the list? “Transgenders have never been on the list. Why not?
        Get some more phony links from Stormfront and Infowars.

        Ummm, who would brag about being a shitlord?

        1. The point is that there are literally hundreds of things that preclude military service that might appear innocuous. Individuals with severe psychological and physical issues are usually disqualified. Why should TG be any different?

          You’re clearly obsessed with trolling everyone who disagrees with you as being racist and bigoted. So you’re likely a progressive. However, this is Reason, so you might want to come up with a real argument other than some nonsense about Stormfornt or whatever.

          1. Individuals with severe psychological and physical issues are usually disqualified. Why should TG be any different

            The actual list proves you wrong too.
            So you get wacky …

            So you’re likely a progressive.

            I’m not surprised that you know nothing about libertarianism

            You’re clearly obsessed with trolling everyone who disagrees with you

            Like you just did! The self-righteous right is so like the self-righteous left

            as being racist and bigoted

            I’m not surprised that you’d post such a pathetic lie. I simply called out his post as a lie. Apparently, the truth pisses you off.

            Was your first sentence based on bigotry or just ignorance? Both?

  2. I met her in a club down in North Soho, where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry cola, See-O-L-A cola.
    She walked up to me and she asked me to dance. I asked her name and in a dark brown voice she said, “Lola”
    L-O-L-A Lola, lo lo lo lo Lola. Well, I’m not the world’s most physical guy, But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine.

    Oh my Lola, lo lo lo lo Lola.

    1. I met him in a swamp down in Dagoba, where it bubbles all the time like a giant carbonated soda, s-o-d-a soda. I saw the little runt sitting there on a log, I asked him his name and in a raspy voice he said “Yoda”, Y-O-D-A Yoda, y-y-y-y-yoda. Well, I’ve been around but I ain’t never seen a guy who looks like a muppet but he’s wrinkled and green, oh my Yoda, y-y-y-y-yoda.

  3. Transgender people are mentally ill. Why would you want mentally ill people in the military?

    It is funny to compare racial integration of hundreds of thousands of non-white men and women into the military and allowing a few thousand gay men and women to serve. This is then compared to very few transgender people who want to serve. Of course these groups are comparable.

    Oh wait, the theme is that government force for social experiments is a good thing or they would never happen. Forget that government is the reason why segregation happened. Government is the reason why gay people could not get married.

    1. There is a very specific reason this fight is being fought over in the military.

      Transgendering only really works if everyone else plays along. People certainly have a right to do these sorts of things to their own bodies, and if certain medical professionals are likewise willing to play along then have at it.

      But, once done, if nobody else buys into the “new” gender then it doesn’t really work does it?

      You can ride a bicycle at the bottom of your swimming pool. You can even call the bicycle Das Boot, but the only people calling you a U-boat commander are not doing it to be nice.

      This is being done in the military for two reasons 1. Because the military has a fairly significant cohort of male to female trans (guys doubting their ‘manliness’ tending to enlist in order to ‘prove’ something to themselves.) and, more importantly 2. As a means of compelling widespread acceptance.

      1. the military has a fairly significant cohort of male to female trans (guys doubting their ‘manliness’ tending to enlist in order to ‘prove’ something to themselves.)

        Interesting theory; hadn’t heard that one. Can’t they just change a flat or chop down a tree or something?

        1. Yeah, it’s not so much my theory as ‘the’ theory.

          The psychiatrist cited in this article is considered one of the top experts on transgenderism, and is pretty much at the center of a ton of this litigation (expert witness for GLAAD, SPLC, etc.)

          http://www.latimes.com/nation/…..story.html

          1. (He’s also one of my poker buddies.)

          2. Thanks for the link, very informative. But I have to wonder if the numbers are all that significant to cause so much of a fuss – it’s still a tiny, tiny percentage.

      2. That and its a great way for government to cover the costs of elective surgery and a lifetime of meds and counseling.

        No free market health insurance company would cover that surgery.

        1. Not until democrats get back in over and force them to.

      3. “This is being done in the military for two reasons […]”
        And not at all because, for decades, trans folk that come out have been discharged as a matter of course.

      4. ThomasD
        Transgendering only really works if everyone else plays along.

        Also true for individual liberty, You can’t have one without. the other.
        And you can’t suppress one without suppressing the other.

        1. Not remotely true. I have entire liberty so long as no one impedes it. No further participation is required.

          Transgenderism requires the active participation of many others.

          1. WHOOOOSH! Even Alex Jones sails over your head!
            You can’t suppress ANYONE, for ANYTHING, without suppressing liberty. DUH.
            Feel the hatred trolls.

            Transgenderism requires the active participation of many others.

            SO DOES LIBERTY.

            None are more easily brainwashed than the mentally disabled..
            Trannies have existed for over 50 years, that we know of, before ANYONE anyone knew of them, let alone “participated”

            1. WHOOOOSH! Even Alex Jones sails over your head!
              You can’t suppress ANYONE, for ANYTHING, without suppressing liberty. DUH.

              Hihn comes out in support of pedophilia.

              You cannot suppress adults from diddling little kids, right? Otherwise, you hate liberty.

              And we know you love liberty.

              So…

              1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
                See the proof with your own eyes.

                Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

                BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

                Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
                Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

                Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

        2. Also true for individual liberty, You can’t have one without. the other.
          And you can’t suppress one without suppressing the other.

          Not sure how trannyism is needed for individual liberty.

          Nobody cares if a tranny mutilates themselves. People who help them do so are monstrous.

          1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
            See the proof with your own eyes.

            Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

            BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

            Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
            Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

            Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

          2. Alex Jones
            Also true for individual liberty, You can’t have one without. the other.
            And you can’t suppress one without suppressing the other.

            damikesc
            Not sure how trannyism is needed for individual liberty.

            (sneer) THEIRS!
            Neo-nazis cannot avoid constant fuckups regarding individual liberty and equal rights.

    2. Transgender people are mentally ill. Why would you want mentally ill people in the military?

      I heard they let you in, so…

      1. You’re trophy is in the mail.
        Alt-right be good at blaiming their victims.

    3. It is funny to compare racial integration of hundreds of thousands of non-white men and women into the military and allowing a few thousand gay men and women to serve

      YES! Individual rights are NOT for minorities. Look what happened when allowed niggers and fags to have rights.

      Forget that government is the reason why segregation happened.

      (smirk) No, dumbfuck, it’s when southern states refused to acknowledge the Constitution and equal rights … claiming to love the constitution, the sick lie always spouted by haters, bigots and psychos.

      Government is the reason why gay people could not get married.

      YES! The laws are written by Kiwanis … and imposed by Planned Parenthood!

  4. It is a well-known fact that close personal association with Trumptards is distasteful to a large percentage of Americans.”

    1. How do you know when you are in “close personal association with Trumptards”?
      Does this site count?
      What about that guy on your left?
      The one who just spit in your coffee at the fast food joint?

      1. How do you know when you are in “close personal association with Trumptards”?

        They’re all crazy authoritarians ….

        What about that guy on your left? The one who just spit in your coffee at the fast food joint?

        … with drool dripping off their chins, onto their shirts ….
        And CLAIMING to love freedom. And the constitution.

        1. They’re all crazy authoritarians ….

          Says one of the people demanding we play along with the delusions of the insane…

          1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
            See the proof with your own eyes.

            Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

            BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

            Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
            Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

            Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

      2. And don’t forget the one who just jerked off in his french toast.

  5. Did the Obama administration act too precipitously when it ordered the services to start recruiting transgender individuals by July of this year? Yes.

    Better question: Did the Obama administration act to sabotage its successor in using the military to create a scheduled transgender controversy for the year after he leaves office?

    (hints: He had 8 years to make real changes on transgender policy, but managed only this on his way out the door. Similarly, he had a term and a half to take on LGBT rights and gay marriage and did nothing until the supreme court acted. Then he ran out in front to take credit for it.)

    1. Actually, Joe-Joe Biden came out and said he supported gay marriage to the media, and then the story was that Obama had to come public and say that was his administration’s position too. But yeah, leading from behind.

    2. He was also the first president ever to endorse it. Why is it worse when a Democrat is late to the party than Republicans not showing up at all?

      1. He was also the first president ever to endorse it. Why is it worse when a Democrat is late to the party than Republicans not showing up at all?

        We should applaud Obama for adopting Dick Cheney’s view of the issue from 2004, when Democrats tried to make his lesbian daughter an issue?

        1. Calm down cupcake. Dick Cheney will be OK.

          1. How does it feel to support a party LESS progressive on gay marriage than Dick Cheney?

            Gotta suck, no?

            I mean, YOUR party tried to make his lesbian daughter a CAMPAIGN ISSUE.

            Isn’t that really, really fucking sleazy?

            1. “I now can empathize with other humans because I am personally affected” is the tried and true way some Republicans find their way to supporting equality. Why are you still bitching about this so many years after it stopped being a political football? We now have an administration more hostile to equal rights than any in my lifetime. Eye on the prize.

              1. Silly bitch. The one hostile to people’s rights was Obama’s. But then, so are you.

                1. Typical bullshit by Last of the Shitlords … to hide Trump’s shameful record.

                  We now have an administration more hostile to equal rights than any in my lifetime.

                  Silly bitch. The one hostile to people’s rights was Obama’s.

                  Golly, why is the Alt-Right so afraid to deal with equal rights? (compounding damikesc’s proven lie)

            2. How does it feel to support a party LESS progressive on gay marriage than Dick Cheney?

              How does it feel to be a raging hypocrite?
              And a fucking liar …

              I mean, YOUR party tried to make his lesbian daughter a CAMPAIGN ISSUE.

              Umm, they ridiculed his moral hypocrisy.
              Just as libertarians ridicule yours,

              1. How does it feel to be a raging hypocrite?

                I will give you the floor to tell us.

                Umm, they ridiculed his moral hypocrisy.

                You might want to re-watch that debate, son.

                1. damikesc CONFIRMS his moral hypocrisy …
                  Called out AGAIN as a hatred-spewing liar … throws a hissy fit, and a bullshit bluff

                  I mean, YOUR party tried to make his lesbian daughter a CAMPAIGN ISSUE.

                  I call him out as a fucking liar

                  Umm, they ridiculed his moral hypocrisy.
                  Just as libertarians ridicule yours,

                  Whiny snowflake … caught in the act .., spews MORE psychopathic hatred.

                  You might want to re-watch that debate, son.

                  I now cram it up damikesc’s you-know-where

                  Here’s the proof oi his hypocrisy, and your own moral depravity

                  It was when his daughter, Liz, ran for his old seat … opposing gay marriage ….when her sister (also his daughter) is in one.”

                  THIS was Cheney’s MORAL HYPOCRISY, sonny boy

                  “Liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage,” the Cheneys said in a statement today. “She has also always treated her sister and her sister’s family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done.

                  BOTH sides of the issue.

                  REPEAT
                  “Umm, they ridiculed his moral hypocrisy.
                  Just as libertarians ridicule yours,”

                  And ridicule you AGAIN.

                  (Liz is now at America’s Pravda — Fox News — of course)

                  Shame on you, damikesc. And your komrades here.

                  1. Tl; dr.

                    As a heads up, lots of bolding doesnt make your insanity less insane.

                    1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
                      See the proof with your own eyes.

                      Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

                      BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

                      Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
                      Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

                      Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

            3. How does it feel to support a party LESS progressive on gay marriage than Dick Cheney?
              Didn’t seem to bother Dick Cheney very much, did it?

              1. Dick Cheney didn’t consider “tolerance” as the single biggest issue in the world.

                Progressives, you know, tend to do that.

                1. Dick Cheney didn’t consider “tolerance” as the single biggest issue in the world.

                  Progressives, you know, tend to do that.

                  Raging hate-monger (damikesc) now denies LIBERTARIANS are toleramt … on a libertarian web site! BRAGS OF HIS OWN INTOLERANCE!

                  How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
                  See the proof with your own eyes.

                  Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

                  BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

                  Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINUTES LATER!
                  Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

                  Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

      2. Obama waited until 2011 to remove “don’t ask, don’t tell”. Then he waited until summer of 2016 to remove ban on transgender people openly serving in the military.

        Yeah, Obama was a great supporter of these people and it had nothing to do with election years pandering.

        1. Obama waited until 2011 to remove “don’t ask, don’t tell”.

          “Don’t ask don’t tell” was a Congressional act that needed to be repealed by Congress. While Obama’s support of gay marriage was obviously a case of Johnny-come-lately pandering, DADT wasn’t really within his authority to end even as CiC.

        2. Moves you no doubt opposed and probably still do.

          1. Yup. The military should be used by politicians to further their social agendas.

            It makes the USA less ready for military action.

            1. You say that as if you don’t have a social agenda, i.e., “keep America white and male and definitely not the tranny kind of male!”

              1. Tony, you’re the worst racist that comes to this site. So just stop. If you need to see a vicious bigot, just look in the mirror.

        3. Obama waited until 2011 to remove “don’t ask, don’t tell”. Then he waited until summer of 2016 to remove ban on transgender people openly serving in the military.

          Huh? He should have stayed a bigot, like …. you, loveconstitution (sic)

          Yeah, Obama was a great supporter of these people

          Huh? YOU ARE??? ANY excuse to hate … even making a fool of yourself. Again.

      3. He was also the first president ever to endorse it.

        Unless you count Lincoln. Get your revisionist history straight.

        1. I’ve read theories about Lincoln’s own proclivities, but I’ve never heard this particular claim regarding endorsement.

  6. More than 1,000 retired officers wrote a public letter to President Obama predicting that the repeal of DADT would “break the all-volunteer force.”

    Refer to two naval collisions where training and morale are suspected factors? Probably not, but this will be just one more factor to consider when the military capability is considered in the future.

    Personal whine: There is no such thing as “rounding error”. Rounding is a specific mathematical function, not an error.

    1. Rounding is a specific mathematical function, not an error.

      Rounding is a specific mathematical function. A human being fucking up that specific mathematical function is a rounding error.

      Playing baseball is a specific activity with predictable patterns of execution. A human being fucking up a specific pattern of execution is an error in baseball.

      1. Except that ’rounding error’; really does not denote someone screwing up the process of rounding. The error comes after rounding, by failing to understand the effect.

        Rounding to one decimal place turns 4.5 to 5 and also turns 4.6 to 5. In practice this means there is no difference between 4.5 and 4.6. If reality dictates otherwise then the term to describe that problem is ’rounding error.’

        Yeah, it’s nonsensical, but whattayagonnadoaboutit?

        1. Better question: Did the Obama administration act to sabotage its successor in using the military

          What else from a damn Kenyan!
          Better quesioin: Can the Trumptads blame Obama for Trump’s mounting failures, as much as Obamabots blamed Bush for his?

          Obama acted immediately after an incident where the transgender daughter of an active military was humiliated on one o our bases in Germany, The prohibition against transgenders was repealed immediately, but the Pentagon was allowed one year to formulate a smooth transition for new enlistments.

          Did the Obama administration act too precipitously

          (lol) Trumptards be fascist wackos.
          1) Obama was sabotaging Trump in June of 2016. (snort)
          2) Obama could have established a 6-month policy period, to be completed within his term.
          3) The full year was PRECIPITOUS? (OMG)
          4) Did Obama INTENTIONALLY screw transgenders by delaying it for Trump (who was not then believed to lose the popular vote, but win the Electoral College by mere 80,000 votes in three states combined)?
          5) Or did Obama allow his successor the power to change it? (As Bush did with parts of TARP for Obama?)

          Five top heads of military branches have all spoken against Trump’s original promise on this, and the policy (still rather vague) was announced as another of Trump’s unadvised outbursts. So who’s precipitous?

          http://www.dictionary.com/browse/precipitous

          SAVE THE PURITY OF THE FATHERLAND?

  7. “But within a few years everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about.”

    That’s because in a few years the “transgender” fad will have died out and sex change surgery will be regarded as a quaint but horrifying medical practice of an unenlightened past, like trepanation, bloodletting and ice pick lobotomies, and real treatments for sex dysphoria will be available.

    1. You’d hope. But the Left is now married to the idea that slicing off one’s genitals is a solid treatment for body dysmorphia.

      1. But the Left is now married to the idea that slicing off one’s genitals is a solid treatment for body dysmorphia.

        Are libertartians Left? (lol)

    2. Except for rare cases (AIS, etc.) the problem lies completely withing the mind of the trans person.

      But no surgeon has figured out how to cut the brain nor physician how to drug the brain, so instead we cut and re-hormone the rest of the body.

      Yeah, it’s a lot like treating syphilis with arsenic.

      1. Except for rare cases (AIS, etc.) the problem lies completely withing the mind of the trans person.

        You’re full of shit.
        As ever.

        1. If it is not a mental disorder then why does it require psychiatric care?

          1. ThomasD|8.28.17 @ 10:13PM|#
            If it is not a mental disorder then why does it require psychiatric care?

            If you weren’t so eager to be brainwashed. Because of all the raging hatred. How stupid are you? You people even drive people crazy.

            1. Because of all the raging hatred.

              To the left, scientific reality is hatred.

              Shocker: Bruce Jenner is STILL a man. Even if he cut his dick off, he’s just a man who had his dick cut off.

              1. damikesc’s latest buffoonery!

                To the left, scientific reality is hatred.

                To neo-nazis and the alt-right, “reality” is whatever they need to spew their filth … so THEIR reality can change and reverse instantly! See the CRAZED proof with your own eyes.

                Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

                BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

                Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … SAYS THE SAME APA IS A JOKEONLY TWO MINUTES LATER! Reality? Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

                (Neo-nazis suffer the delusion that they ARE the entire right — instead of a bastard child of the ant-christ … so anyone who disagrees MUST be “the left” in their tribal bubble of hate..

                Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

  8. No argument that the tranny debate is “overblown”.

    It isn’t the opponents who are making it such.

    1. No argument that the tranny debate is “overblown”.
      It isn’t the opponents who are making it such.

      (sneer) How many times have you and your fellow nazis done so, just on this page?

      1. None of us CARE if you want to pretend to be a woman.

        Demanding we play along with your delusion is a step too far.

        1. Thanks for PROVING how crazy you are.

          1. For corresponding with you?

            Don’t confuse bored with lazy, son.

            1. MORE PROOF! How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
              See the proof with your own eyes.

              Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

              BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

              Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … Says the same APA is a jokeONLY TWO MINUTES AFTER CITING THEM AS A SOURCE!!! See the proof. Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

              Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

  9. I said at the time that it was hard to see how Gays could undermine marriage that Hollywood twits hadn’t managed to do fifty years ago.

    That said, the Transgender issue has definitely NOT been overblown, it just hasn’t focused much on the real issues. Trans people are being preyed on by unscrupulous doctors who mutilate them for money. ‘Sex Change’ (or, if you want to be snobby about it ‘Gender Reassignment’) Does. Not. Work. Maybe, one day, it can, but right now it is a gruesome fraud, and there appears to be a goodly amount of statistical evidence that it doesn’t help the Trans persons mental state.

    Add to this the skeevy idea of Trans children (it always seems to be little boys.), and it’s high time we admitted that, right now, being Trans is arguing with the physical world, and that seldom ends well. Biotech may one day change this. That should be interesting; “No, Dave, I don’t want to go hunting with you. I’m planning on being female for the next six months.”. Of maybe we’ll actually have a third gender, Herm, as in the Lois McMaster Bujold SF books.

    But right now, we need to get the medical ghouls under control.

    1. Add to this the skeevy idea of Trans children (it always seems to be little boys.),

      Most of these “my trans child” cases are clearly instances of Munchausen-by-proxy syndrome, especially when the parents are getting sympathetic psychiatrists to declare that their kid is trans when they’re toddlers, a stage where these kids have only the faintest conception of gender differences.

      Trans rights or not, that shit borders on child abuse. It’s not an accident that so many MtF transgenders have parents who have been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, severe alcoholism, and other mental illnesses.

      1. Do you know what the fuck you’re talking about, or did you just make up every single word of that post?

        I have a coworker who’s daughter is in 6th grade and has explained that she feels like a boy and wishes she didn’t, but it’s just the way it is. As you can imagine, this is a source of extreme stress for her mother, requiring therapy, but as a kind, decent person she’s letting her daughter, possibly son at some point, make this decision for herself.

        All you’re doing is pissing your pants in fear of something you don’t understand.

        1. How does she know what being a boy “feels like?” Fact is, she has no way to drop into the mind of a boy to make such an observation.

          1. How does she know what being a boy “feels like?”

            Nazis like you are ALL OVER. dick-tating what is masculine or feminine behavior.

            Fact is, she has no way to drop into the mind of a boy to make such an observation.

            She doesn’t have to. YOU JUST DID IT HERE

            How are contards exactly like progtards?
            They both blame the victims of their own dick-tates … while showing the world their ignorance of common knowledge. Proudly. One worships at the feet of Rachel Maddow. The other worships Tucker Carlson, sucking a bit higher.

            1. That’s some major league incoherence there, guy. Kudos.

              1. That’s some major league incoherence there

                I answered your question. You did precisely as I said, made an ignorant claim on “proper” masculine and feminine behavior. And now say the psychological profession is “incoherent.”

                This is what they say, the American Psychological Association, debunks many of the wacko myths posted here (well beyond Cloudbuster’s). by posing and answering common questions.

                http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

                Cloudbuster’s profound ignorance on trans children is addressed – as I said, but a more formal version. That it’s a “mental disorder” — as claimed by at least a dozen Gomers here is also debunked. Also their ignorance of what a mental disorder even is.

                The ones being treated , and the high suicide rate, traces to mostly anxiety and depression caused — as I also said — by harassment, ignorance and hatred by contards, even more vicious than posted here. Imagine suffering the sheer hatred we see here, for one’s entire life. The same dipwads who believe transgenders “decide” a different gender. So sad.in the 21st century.

                1. Did you READ the link you posted?

                  From the link:

                  “A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.”

                  So, mutilating oneself isn’t a sign of distress. People not playing along and calling a boy “girl” IS a sign of distress? “It’s not a disorder unless everybody in the world does not play along” is kind of what a disorder is.

                  1. MORE BULLSHIT FROM THE HATE-SPEWING FACSIST!
                    DAMIKESC WITLESSLY SHOOTS HIMSELF IN FOOT!

                    IT IS HE AND MARK22 WHO FORCE TRANNIES INTO THERAPY.

                    Did you READ the link you posted?

                    Did you read what you PASTED?? How YOU destroy peoples’ lives

                    So, mutilating oneself isn’t a sign of distress. People not playing along and calling a boy “girl” IS a sign of distress? “It’s not a disorder unless everybody in the world does not play along” is kind of what a disorder is.

                    THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION OR A PSYCHO? His own paste PROVES damikesc is

                    FULL OF SHIT
                    DESTROYING PEOPLE’S LIVES

                    Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.”

                    Crazy enough to prove HIMSELF crazy!!!

                    Next …. MORE PROOF that he’s mentally unstable …

            2. Nazis like you are ALL OVER. dick-tating what is masculine or feminine behavior.

              So, boys and girls are IDENTICAL?

              No differences?

              Then how does she “feel like a boy”? I mean, she has no actual frame of reference.

              She doesn’t have to. YOU JUST DID IT HERE

              How does she know what a boy feels like? Sounds like ALL she has are stereotypes of boys.

              They both blame the victims of their own dick-tates … while showing the world their ignorance of common knowledge.

              Can you explain what it is like to be sane?

              No, you cannot. You lack the frame of reference.

              1. HOW CRAZY IS DAMIKESC

                Nazis like you are ALL OVER. dick-tating what is masculine or feminine behavior.

                So, boys and girls are IDENTICAL?
                No differences?

                The prosecution rests.

        2. Tony, this subject needs objectivity and nuance. Two things you wouldn’t recognize if they climbed up your legs are blew you.

          Very young children try various identities. This has been known for a long time. Only recently has it become thing to give the ones who are trying opposite-gender identities hormonal therapy, and from what little I know about hormone balances in a growing child (admittedly, nowhere near enough) that sounds like an idea just chock-full of possibilities…most of them bad.

          1. I consider it a severe form of child abuse to subject a prepubescent child to hormone therapy like this. Just more proof that progressives are soulless monsters. It’s not like when an adult makes such a decision for themselves.

            1. Shitlord
              I consider it a severe form of child abuse

              Who gives a shit what a raging, ignorant bigot says? The American Psychological Association is a better source than Breitbart, WND and Infowars.

              1. Who gives a shit what a raging, ignorant bigot says? The American Psychological Association is a better source than Breitbart, WND and Infowars.

                The APA is a joke and nobody takes psychologists seriously for a reason.

                1. WATCH THIS!
                  WATCH THIS!
                  WATCH THIS!
                  WATCH THIS!
                  WATCH THIS!

                  Who gives a shit what a raging, ignorant bigot says? The American Psychological Association is a better source than Breitbart, WND and Infowars.

                  The APA is a joke and nobody takes psychologists seriously for a reason.

                  Except when statist bigot said they are NOT a joke!!!
                  https://reason.com/archives/201…..nt_6948600

                  Psycho hater QUOTED FROM THE APA as a source…
                  Not realizing that his own paste blames …. HIS HATRED for destroying people’s lives.

                  How sick is THAT?

            2. It’s even worse because, in some cases, the lack of puberty makes “transition” impossible. You need a penis to fashion a vagina after all and those hormones make the penis really, really tiny and useless for that.

              So, the parents are abusing their child AND fucking them out of their hope of self-mutilation.

              1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
                See the proof with your own eyes.

                Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

                BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

                Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
                Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

                Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

        3. Do you know what the fuck you’re talking about, or did you just make up every single word of that post?

          Why do you hate science, Tony?

          I have a coworker who’s daughter is in 6th grade and has explained that she feels like a boy and wishes she didn’t, but it’s just the way it is.

          Are you really stupid enough to believe that an 11-year old has the same emotional development as a 3-year-old?

          All you’re doing is pissing your pants in fear of something you don’t understand.

          No, I understand that transgenderism is a mental disorder. Science (not Science!) seems to be show that quite a bit of that is the result of having mentally ill parents. Try exercising some understanding yourself, dumbshit.

          1. “Try exercising some understanding yourself, dumbs hit.”

            Waste of typing time. Tony lacks the equipment to exercise understanding.

          2. No, I understand that transgenderism is a mental disorder.

            In fact, it logically is: if it weren’t, it wouldn’t need to be covered by medical insurance.

            1. In fact, it logically is: if it weren’t, it wouldn’t need to be covered by medical insurance.

              (sneer) It’s not., dumbass
              What’s covered is the severe psychiatric damage caused by you people’s psychopathic hatred.
              And unlike you, they know it’s not normal and seek the therapy you refuse to get.

              1. What’s covered is the severe psychiatric damage caused by you people’s psychopathic hatred.

                “Psychiatric damage” doesn’t require genital surgery.

                1. Called out as a liar,.Mark switches to a new and different lame excuse to ruin people’s lives.
                  Nothing “requires” genital surgery, but Mark can dick-tate who has freedom of choice.

                  1. Nothing “requires” genital surgery,

                    Look, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t logically claim that gender dysphoria is not a disease, but that medical insurance should nevertheless be required to cover sex change operations.

          3. Red Rocks called out as a Bullshitting Blowhard … BLUFFS!!

            Do you know what the fuck you’re talking about, or did you just make up every single word of that post?

            Why do you hate science, Tony?

            FUCKING LIAR. THE LINK SAYS NOTHING EVEN CLOSE TO YOUR GASBAG RAMBLING (below)

            Most of these “my trans child” cases are clearly instances of Munchausen-by-proxy syndrome, especially when the parents are getting sympathetic psychiatrists to declare that their kid is trans when they’re toddlers, a stage where these kids have only the faintest conception of gender differences.

            Trans rights or not, that shit borders on child abuse. It’s not an accident that so many MtF transgenders have parents who have been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, severe alcoholism, and other mental illnesses.

            (sneer) FEEL THE HATRED … and his fellow psychos, Schofield and Mark22 (puppets who swallowed your bullshit because … puppets are eager to be brainwashed)

            (Boldface to expose enemies of liberfy, who travel in packs like wild dogs)

      2. Parents and doctors who give children puberty-blocking hormones should be rounded up and imprisoned.

        1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
          See the proof with your own eyes.

          Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

          BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

          Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
          Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

          Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

  10. This is not exactly what gay-marriage opponents had predicted.

    I don’t think it is what anti-family socialists and postmodernists predicted or wanted, either. They also expected to undermine the institution of marriage but, if you remember, us libertarians predicted many times that the CONTRARY would happen precisely because the fact gays want to marry provided further validation to the institution.

    I had predicted the only risk to turning marriage into a right was active harassment of churches and my prediction came out true. However, since the government has not come out threatening churches, those institutions are able to defend themselves from these attacks by Marxist radicals.

  11. So recruiting a relatively small group of people with a medical condition whose preferrred treatment requires constant drug maintenance (which brings up deployment issues) and who put a wrench into housing, hygienic facilities, and physical training standards is not a big deal. Really!

    1. Yeah, pretty much.

      Especially when you remember that the real “issue” is not recruitment, but retention. Most trans folk don’t know they’re trans at age 18. They figure out they’re trans years later, after a huge chunk of change has already been invested in them through training, equipping, future commitments and so-on.

      Even if you put in a “don’t recruit trans folk” ban, you still have to deal with “what to do with trans folk in the military”.

      1. The more I read the Left preaching about it, the more inclined I am to say the policy should be to say “You were born with a dick. Deal. With. It. Or get out. Pick one.”

      2. you still have to deal with “what to do with trans folk in the military”.

        They can serve for as long as they want consistent with their gender at time of enlistment. If they want to transition, they have to leave the military, if not for any other reason because transitioning is going to be several years at least in which they are undeployable anyway.

        1. They can serve for as long as they want consistent with their gender at time of enlistment. If they want to transition, they have to leave the military, if not for any other reason because transitioning is going to be several years at least in which they are undeployable anyway.
          Let’s see…

          (A) That’s a step-up from what Trump demanded, and
          (B) Not everyone transitions the same way. Some folks are interested in surgery, some are happy with just hormones, some are okay with non-medical presentation stuff. So sure, some folks would be “unable to serve” while transitioning. Others are just fine. Treating it as “one size fits all” is the problem.

          1. But, in regards to (b) with ALL three, they shouldn’t be serving. The surgery is a no. Supplying hormones in the field is a no. And the sheer headaches of the “presentation” nonsense is a no as, in a conflict, politeness is in short supply as is tolerance of idiocy.

            1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed FASCIST t bigots like damikesc?
              See the proof with your own eyes.

              Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

              BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

              Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
              Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

              Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

          2. (A) That’s a step-up from what Trump demanded

            As far as I can tell, that’s pretty much “what Trump demanded”.

            Not everyone transitions the same way. Some folks are interested in surgery, some are happy with just hormones, some are okay with non-medical presentation stuff. So sure, some folks would be “unable to serve” while transitioning. Others are just fine. Treating it as “one size fits all” is the problem.

            Neither hormones, nor surgery, nor “non-medical presentation stuff” are acceptable in the military.

            1. Neo-Nazi barks out dick-tates

              Neither hormones, nor surgery, nor “non-medical presentation stuff” are acceptable in the military.

  12. I’m not sure which fallacy “this didn’t happen, so that won’t happen either” is, but I think it’s one of them.

    Also… Obama recruited transgenders? WTF?? Like someone mentioned above, this positively reeks of yet another sabotage from the master.

    1. Yeah, I’m with you. Not a big fan of ‘didn’t happen so won’t happen’ or ‘didn’t happen so can’t happen’.

    2. “Obama recruited transgenders?”

      Well, I doubt he was out giving presentations in high school gyms, but he did specifically authorize the DOD to announce that trans people that were going to be welcome in the military after some date certain, and further inform them that they would receive corresponding treatment while enlisted.

      Like it or not that is an inducement to join, so yes he did recruit them.

      1. that trans people that were going to be welcome in the military after some date certain

        Yes: that date hasn’t come yet. So, a good time to reverse the policy now.

        1. Mark22
          Yes: that date hasn’t come yet. So, a good time to reverse the policy now.

          Bzzzt, Wrong AGAIN Mark. It ended two months ago But keep trying, your gang of neo-nazis can still get SOMETHING correct on this page. Even after 98 straight screwups. You can still get … something!
          Maybe.

          1. Wrong AGAIN Mark. It ended two months ago

            Obama’s original deadline ended; Trump extended it.

            1. Mark22, AGAIN called out …
              Marke22, AGAIN changes his story.

              THE TOPIC HE RESPONDED TO WAS OBAMA!

              :Obama recruited transgenders?”

              Well, I doubt he was out giving presentations in high school gyms, but he did specifically authorize the DOD to announce that trans people that were going to be welcome in the military after some date certain

              Yes: that date hasn’t come yet. So, a good time to reverse the policy now

              Wrong AGAIN Mark. It ended two months ago

              Obama’s original deadline ended; Trump extended it..

              Hatred, bigotry and statism can only be sustained with dishonesty.

  13. The Transgender Debate Is Overblown

    that’s what George Michael said. Hiyo….

  14. Does ISIS recruit transgendered individuals?

    Between what the medical and psychiatric community does to transgendered individuals and what their requirements would be in the line of duty, this sort of policy decision seems like precisely the sort of thing you would impose on your adversaries.

    1. “Does ISIS recruit transgendered individuals?”

      I would guess yes. There is a long tradition in that part of the world of reassigning feminine or especially attractive boys to serve as women. In some cases castration is involved. Did you know that the country with the highest rate of male-to-female transsexual surgery is Iran?

      1. Well when being gay is a death sentence…

    2. Does ISIS recruit transgendered individuals?

      They’re exactly like our own extreme right.

  15. And marriage-wise, things look pretty good.

    Except for gov’t involvement. From a gov’t standpoint, all couplings (or groupings) of a romantic, marriage-like manner should be treated only as contracts.

  16. To the tranny issue, I’d wager many only join to get free transition surgery. This is a problem. Taxpayers should not be funding elective surgery. Also, people who believe they are not one of the two genders that exist or believe they are the “wrong” gender are mentally ill. They need therapy, not surgery.

    1. Or, you know, to be left alone. I don’t flipping’ CARE if my neighbor thinks he’s an roan mare in a man’s body, provided he doesn’t pester me about it or expect me to pay for his pony-girl transformation. I’m mad north-northwest myself, and manage pretty well. It’s when I perceive them to have their hands out for Government largesse that I get a twist in my shorts.

  17. Marriage rates, on the other hand, increased last year [2012] (to) the highest number of marriages since 2009

    Does that include same-sex marriages, of which there was presumably a surge once they became legal? I’m wondering what the rate of heterosexual marriages was compared to previous years.

  18. I don’t know if Hinkle served, but his article has all the hallmarks of intellectual analysis without any practical consideration or even knowledge of how things work in the real world. Would it have hurt to interview a few service members, especially in combat arms? I would have taken him a few minutes to hit up an forum or even reddit to ask some actual people in the military how they feel about it.

    The one thing that we cannot stand is people getting special treatment and that is what this amounts to, the fact that you know a person is receiving all this special care and attention is enough to make people in a unit resent them, especially when you yourself are having to suck it up and drive on and no one gives a damn how you are doing.

    Another thing, you are talking about a population that aside from the gender dysmorphia issue, also tend to suffer from a wide variety of other comorbid psychological disorders. I have seen perfectly normal guys break down in freaking training events and people now want to add known emotionally and psychologically unstable individuals to situations that are inherently dangerous not to mention extremely stressful. That’s absurd and dangerous, not just to the regular service members but also to the trans people themselves.

    1. A solid majority of service members don’t want transgenders in the military:

      http://www.navytimes.com/news/…..-policies/

  19. Sure let whoever wants serve as long as they dress and act appropriately. IE men (by birth) and women by birth act that way (and don’t try and change with hormones or surgery)

    What you do in your off time is of course your business.

      1. Geez, the military requires that you die on command, and you are concerned about the infringement on individual liberties resulting from not being allowed to wear panties under your uniform? Are you serious?

        1. Your contempt for individual liberty continues.

          the military requires that you die on command,

          Since when? (sneer)
          Geez, somebody’s willing to die for their country and you throw a hissy fit over their underwear.
          Grow up.

      2. Demanding “individual liberty” while serving in the military is laughable. Military service isn’t compatible with individual liberty.

        1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
          See the proof with your own eyes.

          Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

          BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

          Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
          Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

          Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

        2. damikesc
          Demanding “individual liberty” while serving in the military is laughable. Military service isn’t compatible with individual liberty.

          Is anyone allowed free choice in damikesc’s neo-nazi paradise?
          Our military has been all-volunteer for 44 years!

  20. RE: The Transgender Debate Is Overblown

    You would think people have more important issues to address than all this transgender bullshit.
    Some people just don’t have a life.

    1. Or a fucking brain. All the same names promoting false antifa hysteria for weeks. The alt-right

    2. You would think people have more important issues to address than all this transgender bullshit.

      This issue has been created and is being kept alive as a part of deliberate political strategies. It’s textbook Alinsky.

      1. “It’s textbook Alinsky”

        Thanks, Mark. Those damn queers keep expanding their oppression.
        First it was the niggers. Then allowing women to vote. Where will it end?
        Keep fighting for our team.

        1. Those damn queers keep expanding their oppression.

          Actually, I’m one of those “damned queers”. Transgender individuals are not “damned queers”.

          And I didn’t see the point for us “damned queers” to serve in the military either: going to Afghanistan to help people like Obama or Hillary kill civilians doesn’t strike me as something desirable.

          1. ANOTHER tribal Trumpster lies about his idol! Blames Obama and Hillary!

            going to Afghanistan to help people like Obama or Hillary kill civilians doesn’t strike me as something desirable

            Trump just authorized more troops to Afghanistan ..,. breaking YET ANOTHER campaign promise. Per Fox News! But Obama made him do it.
            And Hillary’s email server!

            Which damn librul President engaged us in that fiasco? (lol)

            Left-Right=Zero

            1. Mark22 expects equal rights for homosexuals like him.
              But transsexuals are “different.”

              And I didn’t see the point for us “damned queers” to serve in the military either: going to Afghanistan to help people like Obama or Hillary kill civilians doesn’t strike me as something desirable.

              Doesn’t know that TRUMP just sent more troops to Afghanistan! Because tribalism, Kenyan, private server

  21. “the total will amount to less than a rounding error in Pentagon financing: $20 million a year at most, which is less than one-fourth what the military spends on Viagra.”

    OMG I am so sick of this misinformation. The Rand Study was incomplete. It was only looking at current costs, but that’s not the reality. You see, when the military performs surgery for any condition, it has essentially “bought” that condition and has to continue to treat the service member for life. That means that anyone who transitions in the military is now going to be entitled to hormone therapy for LIFE, not to mention follow up treatments and psychological care.

    And Viagra? The estimate people are throwing around was one snapshot of spending, it’s not the norm. Moreover, Viagra is used for several different medical conditions, not just the one you are thinking of.

  22. There’s a huge disconnect between comparing this to previous discrimination against gays, women, or black people in the military. Being gay, female, or black doesn’t entail extensive surgery and hormone treatments. Being transgender does.

    1. And those other groups are not possessed of severe personality disorders in extremely high percentages not limited to clinical depression leading to massive suicide rates.

      1. Last of fhe Shitlords
        And those other groups are not possessed of severe personality disorders in extremely high percentages not limited to clinical depression leading to massive suicide rates.

        Severe depression and anxiety caused by your ilk. Per The American Psychological Association.
        Blame your victims, exactly like the progtards do on fiscal issues.. Shame on you both.

        1. Yeah and blacks commit more crimes because they are more likely to be arrested… Are you a fake troll or you really believe this shit ?
          I’m sure that if the The American Psychological Association had some data to backup @Last of fhe Shitlords
          claims, they would rush to publish them…
          And were your argument valid (depression and suicide for trans and gay from New-Jersey or Cali are caused by the 500 “bigots” of the alt-right marching in Virginia) we would witness mass suicide of gay and trans all over the muslim world, India, sub-saharian Africa, China, South America.
          Places where the pronoun you want to be addressed by is not making the headline of national papers… We are talking about 5-10 % of the population if we include everyone that is regarded with some very very bigoted view in thoose countries.
          Or maybe your gay and trans are pussies and their are badass ?

          1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
            See the proof with your own eyes.

            Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

            BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

            Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
            Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

            Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

          2. Are you a fake troll or you really believe this shit ?

            He cited the American Psychological Association. You … whine and screw up.

            I’m sure that if the The American Psychological Association had some data to backup @Last of fhe Shitlords claims, they would rush to publish them…

            Umm, they published the exact opposite!! BUT DON’T LOOK!!!

            And were your argument valid (depression and suicide for trans and gay from New-Jersey or Cali are caused by the 500 “bigots” of the alt-right marching in Virginia)

            YOU need psychiatric help.
            Or elementary literacy.
            Perhaps both.

        2. Severe depression and anxiety caused by your ilk. Per The American Psychological Association.
          Blame your victims, exactly like the progtards do on fiscal issues.. Shame on you both.

          Translation: “Because you won’t play along with their delusions, they commit suicide”.

          Isn’t that what Darwinism is all about?

          If the only way to avoid suicide is for EVERYBODY to do exactly what you want, you won’t be living long.

          1. How SICK are the hatred-obsessed statist bigots like damikesc?
            See the proof with your own eyes.

            Here he quotes the American Psychological Association because he “thinks” (sic) they prove him right.

            BUT (OMG) his own paste blames HIM and his ilk for destroying peoples’ lives with direct or indirect discrimination or assault.

            Then he REVERSES HIMSELF … TWO MINIUTES LATER!
            Decide for yourself … WHO is mentally disabled.

            Haters gotta hate. Even when making total public fools of themselves … defending the STRAIGHT Master Race. SEIG HEIL!

  23. People who are dependent on some drug, who have congenital malformations to the genitals, or who are at increased risk of depression have been ineligible to serve. So are people who are expected to require corrective surgery in the future. All of these rational, medically-based criteria are now thrown out the window for a narrow class of people who call themselves “transgendered”. The ACLU invents a constitutional right to serve in the military.

    The whole debate is utterly bizarre, as is the fact that rational people actually support this crap. But, hey, what do I care: send the trannies to the front lines to fight in America’s equally stupid foreign wars.

  24. The SoCon tards cried wolf so many times about non-straight-white-men daring to want equal rights, and now the tranny wolves are here and no one will listen

  25. We already know the history of inclusion in the military. We already know which sides line up where. This article was wholly lacking. It did not cover the anti science of the normalization of transgender. I guess that Reason has succumbed to it’s post-modernist delusions. The article also made several false equivalencies as to legitimise it’s “no big deal” position. Transgenderism is not just another example of indiscriminate discrimination. I am sorely disappointed that Reason found it necessary to side step the whole debate.

    1. This article was wholly lacking.

      No offense. but I can’t find any substance to your comment.

      t did not cover the anti science of the normalization of transgender

      No offense, but neither did you.

      I guess that Reason has succumbed to it’s post-modernist delusions.

      If anything is post-modern, it’s you. Libertarians have been fiscally conservative and socially liberal for 48 years now.

      The article also made several false equivalencies

      Most libertarians understand why you don’t dare to explain them in a public forum.

      Transgenderism is not just another example of indiscriminate discrimination.

      Because????

      I am sorely disappointed that Reason found it necessary to side step the whole debate.

      They took a position, And defended it. You … ranted and whined, just another snowflake.
      No offense intended. I simply applied your own “values.” Right?

  26. By 2013, twelve states and the District of Columbia allowed same-sex unions. Two years later, the Supreme Court made them legal throughout the country.

    I wish people would stop lumping together homosexuality and transgender issues. I know to ignorant straight people they may seem like they’re closely related, but they are not.

    1. BEHOLD the sheer moral hypocrisy of neo-nazis

      I wish people would stop lumping together homosexuality and transgender issues. I know to ignorant straight people they may seem like they’re closely related, but they are not.

      Mark22 defends equal rights for his own homosexuality ….but denies it to transgenders. (They’re “different.”)

      The same people who fought to achieve equal rights for HIM .. fight the same battle for everyone.
      As Mark now sides with his own oppressors. (Like the Jews who helped send their own to gas ovens.)

      1. Mark22 defends equal rights for his own homosexuality ….but denies it to transgender.

        I have never demanded a right to serve in the military, and I don’t want anti-discrimination laws. Both of those are profoundly anti-libertarian.

        The same people who fought to achieve equal rights for HIM .. fight the same battle for everyone.
        As Mark now sides with his own oppressors. (Like the Jews who helped send their own to gas ovens.)

        Michael, my parents lost everything under Nazi occupation, and I experienced communism first hand. I recognize those evil pricks, and you are one.

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