U.K. Considers War on Leaks by Criminalizing Even Receiving Secret Gov't Info
Proposal seen as targeting whistleblowers and journalists.


As the United Kingdom puts into place a law increasing the government's secret access to private citizen digital data, a commission is also making recommendations that could increase criminal penalties for exposing information the government wants to keep to itself.
The Law Commission, an independent U.K. agency that puts together recommendations to reform the legal code, is in the midst of suggesting updates to the laws that monitor and punish leaks of sensitive government data. It just put out a massive report that among other things, recommends the possibility of increasing criminal penalties from a two-year maximum to maybe 14 years depending on the situation. It also suggests the idea that simply receiving sensitive information can be worthy of criminal penalties, not just disseminating it. And it warns against the creation of a specific statutory defense where those accused of violating the law could claim disseminating the government information was in the public's interest.
The Guardian, the U.K.-based newspaper which broke the initial stories about the surveillance information leaked by Edward Snowden, noted that this seemed very much like an effort to target whistleblowers in the media in order to protect state secrets. In addition to the concerns about the recommendations, apparently the Law Commission is acting as though it had "consulted" media and civil liberties groups, but those parties say they just had what they thought were less formal discussions about it:
The Guardian also held only one preliminary meeting with the government's legal advisers and was not consulted before being listed in the report. A spokesperson said: "The proposals to threaten journalists and whistleblowers with draconian punishment, combined with powers just introduced in the [2016] Investigatory Powers Act to surveil journalists without their knowledge, represent a further attack on freedom of expression.
"We are surprised that a roundtable discussion with the Law Commission, which they billed as a 'general chat', has been described as formal consultation, and concerned that despite being told that we would be informed about the progress of these plans, the first we knew about them was when the law commissioner put pen to paper in the Daily Telegraph last week."
Killock said: "This is a full-frontal attack, recommending criminalising even examining secret services' material. The intention is to stop the public from ever knowing that any secret agency has ever broken the law.
The government is already stepping back a bit from the recommendations. This process began under the previous administration and was inherited by U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May. A source told The Guardian that it would not be the government's policy to attempt to punish journalists and public service whistleblowers.
But the law to increase the surveillance authorities by British government agencies was entirely May's baby. She fought for it prior to becoming prime minister and essentially brought the Investigatory Powers Act with her. She is a surveillance state-supporting leader, and British citizens should be deeply suspicious of her intent when it comes to protecting their rights.
Over here in the United States, in the wake of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigning over leaks of conversations between him and the Russian government, we have this tweet from President Donald Trump:
The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 14, 2017
Trevor Timm today notes over at the Columbia Journalism Review that even with an administration in office for less than a month, leaks to the media are playing an important role in preventing some potentially dangerous policies or decisions from being implemented. Given Trump's dislike of the press, we should be concerned about any ideas from England to make punishments for leaks harsher arriving on American shores.
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If you don't want to be a thug, then don't claim to be a journalist.
What leaks made to the press have prevented dangerous policies from being implemented? Which policies might those be?
Remember that time when Ed Snowden blabbed about the NSA and nothing changed?
Yep. And the leaks havent been for policies that i can tell. Only draft orders who knows if real or not.
Trump has done his campaign promises so far so im not sure what has been prevented.
The leaks didnt prevent the eo travel ban cluster f
He told them to start a wall and did some law and order eos.
Also the pipelines and dodd frank rules and rasing aca
Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?
140 characters at a time.
Progressive publications whining about the state keeping secrets that is ironic
Shackford, I would like to register my interest in reading the conclusion of your rural Missouri hijinx. Thank you in advance.
Is that the one where the gays and the nazis got together in a hilarious and heartwarming river-rafting adventure, and learned a lot about Teamwork, positive thinking, and how "people can be different AND special"?
That's one of the scenarios, but Scott left us in a real sort of hanging chad situation. What's to become of the Aryan Nation tatted young toughs? Were there kidney punches? Butterfly kisses? Terse exchange of language. Who's to say??
Jack-booted s&m orgies?
Local production of Springtime for Hitler?
I'm betting it is a story even Sugarfree wouldn't write and not in a good way.
The Columbia journalism review and media has acted like it has played an important role? Dear god is this a serious post?
I look forward to four years of the Trump White House leaking like a Russian prostitute.
So, put down plastic sheeting and towels everywhere?
At least wear a poncho.
Brilliant. You deserve to be showered with gold
Trump White House leaking like a Russian prostitute.
*Cues up Amerika and Moskau*
...British citizens should be deeply suspicious of her intent when it comes to protecting their rights.
She wants to protect their rights. The most efficient way to protect their rights is to keep an unwavering eye planted firmly on each and every one so the government will know immediately upon rights being violated.
Note to reason writers: draft executive orders that were leaked doesnt mean they had a serious chance of becoming official
Or even that they were real
Stop ruining the fucking narrative. Can't you see that we are living under a Nazi regime. How else can you explain the adversarial press and the consistent leaks from government. That's classic totalitarianism
"Trevor Timm today notes over at the Columbia Journalism Review that even with an administration in office for less than a month, leaks to the media are playing an important role in preventing some potentially dangerous policies or decisions that proggies and the media don't like from being implemented."
Do you know who else engaged in a full frontal attack?
The New Zealand All Blacks?
+1 scary-as-fuck haka routine
Jame Gumb?
Nice
Timothy Treadwell's Executioner?
Me. But in my defense, my wife was ok with it.
Harvey Keitel?
The tone of this article reads like they're going forward with this nonsense. If you don't give credit where credit is due, in this case credit for rejecting the recommendations, eventually no one will listen to you.
Actually the tone reads like the Law Commission made a recommendation, UK journalists reacted strongly against it and disputed the Commission's claims about who they consulted and when, and the government is backing away from support for the idea.
Perhaps the 'tone' reads that way, but the words do not.
"preventing some potentially dangerous policies or decisions from being implemented"
Like what? Serious question, because the only things that keep getting leaked is stuff damaging to their foreign policy objectives (ie. the Russians control everyone in the administration!). Unless you think attempting to re-engage Russia is a 'dangerous policy', I'm not really getting what the leaks have benefited other than ensuring that Deep State continues on with its war mongering.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/article.....hael-flynn
This is a pretty good article related to this. I know, I know, if you question then you're a Trumpkin, as the Wall Street Journal has recently found out.
That's the only stuff getting leaked?
I'm seriously asking. I recall a draft executive order concerning a religious accommodation for the civil right executive order and that's the only thing I remember. Tell me the others. Seriously, it's hard to keep up with all the shit being leaked.
There's a link at the end of the post.
The leaks havent done jack shit as far as stopping dangerous policies as trump hasnt even done much that would be dangerous to begin with.
They are trying to take credit for something it isnt there
Like what? Serious question
Scott has provided the answer to your question in the form of a link.
I read that link. It mentions Flynn, the religious accommodation, the reopening of black sites (which I wasn't aware of), and the fact that Trump watches a bunch of TV. I'm not too impressed, although the black sites draft executive order seems troubling.
And LGBT legislation, and boarding Iranian ships.
I mentioned the religious accommodation. I don't see that as 'troubling' at all. All previous Civil Rights legislation has a 'religious accommodation clause'. This use to be something both parties agreed on, until it became super 'uncool'.
Ok, well then you have your answer. It may be a shitty answer, but such is the way of things sometimes.
Yes.
The black sites never closed. Another lie and example of the media fellating one political party.
Trump watching tv is dangerous policy wtf
Only when he does it in his bathrobe, presumably throwing shoes at the television.
SEE! Trump had plans to implement homo-death-camps, but fortunately the press leaked the rumor *just in time* to stop them.
You know what this country needs? It needs some kind of umbrella political philosophy where you don't have people running scared for the exits every time executive power changes hands.
Some kind of set of principles that limit the scope, reach and power of not just the executive, but the entire set of systems that govern us.
Go home, Paul. You're drunk.
I'm not sure that could ever work. I mean, what if such a document had been written like a hundred years ago by a group of slave-owning white men? We should never rely on such a terrible thing.
Are you talking about the US or the UK?
WDATPDIM?
Absolutely.
Yeah, but also a government that still pays for abortions, sets bathroom rules, can still violate the conscience of others, and is super woke.
Freedom isn't free. Sometimes freedom costs other freedoms. Gain a freedom, give up two freedoms, and so on.
It needs some kind of umbrella political philosophy where you don't have people running scared for the exits every time executive power changes hands.
+1 fire in a crowded theater.
Unexpected! No time / too lazy to go back for a link/quote but Eli Lake has a piece at Bloomberg View in which he explicitly accuses career bureaucrats and Obama appointees of leaking the wiretaps of Flynn's conversations in furtherance of a "political assassination" of him and ultimately the entire Trump administration. Good read; expect more of the same.
If it's inappropriate for the snoops to tap our phones and eavesdrop on our conversations, it's just as inappropriate (if not more so) for them to be doing it to their bosses!
And I don't think the American founders ever intended for the bureaucracy to be a fourth separate and co-equal branch of the government. It's one thing if someone is blowing the whistle with proof of outright criminal behavior, but the bureaucrats don't work for George Soros, they work for the current sitting president, whether they personally like that person or not. If they can't abide by the current president's policies and aren't willing to follow their orders, the honorable them for them to do is resign.
Flynn doesn't get fired if he doesn't lie about what he said on a recorded phone call.
This
Exactly. I realize and appreciate that a lot of what's happening right now in terms of leaks may well be pure partisan hackery and not deeply-held principles at work, but from where I'm sitting it doesn't matter. All of these people are public servants, and the more difficult it is for them to keep secrets, the better. And yes, I'm including the intelligence community and the diplomatic corps in that statement; if they can't keep secrets secret, they shouldn't be in the business. Lrn2opsec.
Waka waka has the link.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/article.....hael-flynn
Good article, Scott. With the shift to the right, I dreaded that clamps on our rights might happen. Unfortunately, the left has lost it's mind so much that they will not be a good defense against such abuses.
the left only cares about abuse when they arent in charge
You still need to retire that name, your giving him a good persona.
*you're
I sure hope a high level functionary within the Democrat party is taking notes. A good number of these dangerous policies will just be good sense once they're back in charge.
Trevor Timm today notes over at the Columbia Journalism Review that even with an administration in office for less than a month, leaks to the media are playing an important role in preventing some potentially dangerous policies or decisions from being implemented
Uh huh.
Or, perhaps, a new captain taking the helm of the Good Ship Dreadnought has aroused mutinous sentiments among the crew, who miss el Capitan Dreamboat, and do not like the course corrections proposed.
Boat-rockers not wanted!
What about splitters/wreckers/kulacks/Trotskyites?
there's nothing quite like a group of whiney, bully, alpha males blaming everyone else for their incompetence.
"Let's make everyone our adversary, and then bitch when they're adversarial."
Only beta males actually thought that Trump was an alpha male, or so Breitbart would have us believe
Why am I only now finding out that PewDiePie got the ax from Disney for making a few anti-Semitic references? I'm assuming that since the guy's not American and maybe his culture is cool with Hitler and Nazi and "death to all Jews" references that the SJW's are going to be all over this example of racist shitlords' failure to appreciate other cultures.
Because you're not 10 years old?
I have never wanted to punch someone in the face so badly.
Because Robby's still working off an appletini hangover.
I'm assuming that since the guy's not American and maybe his culture is cool with Hitler and Nazi and "death to all Jews"
He's Swedish, so maybe? (Neutral bastards)
I didn't realize it wasn't pronounced "PYOO-dye-pie" until I saw a South Park episode that referenced him. I just assumed it was the confluence of young people, the Internet, and foreigners being weird. I mean, it still is, but now I sort of get it.
"I'm assuming that since the guy's not American and maybe his culture is cool with Hitler and Nazi and 'death to all Jews' references..."
Sweden, the land of "Feminist Foreign Policy", is likely not at all cool with anything that causes an SJW to even twinge.
Where's Sugarfree been? I haven't seen him or his stories(*shudders in horror/anticipation*).
He bailed to the other site.
I don't see him on there. Maybe he changed his handle...
Nope.
What site is this?
It will be posted in the am and pm links. Follow the instructions. *this comment will self-destru{poof}
Good job guys!
http://thehill.com/homenews/me.....er-account
Link is about nyt and newsmax quoting a fake flynn twitter account about being a scapegoat
"All the fake news that's unfit to print."
I'll just chum the water with this:
Is there a single person on the planet who believes the press would have jumped all over that botched! Yemen raid if it had been carried out on the 16th of January?
Nope
No, so thank goodness for its postponement.
Thanks to media leaks: snowden is back in the us and the nsa is no longer snooping
This would also apply to the peasants who happen to read documents made public on wikileaks or cryptome (its in their browser cache!)