Thomas Massie

Rep. Thomas Massie to Chair Revived Second Amendment Caucus in Congress

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Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) will be chair of a newly relaunched Congressional Second Amendment Caucus. (Earlier versions existed from 2004-08, and 2009-13.)

Gage Skidmore

According to a press release today from his office, Massie believes the results of this year's election "present us with a new opportunity to advance pro-gun legislation and reverse the erosion of the Second Amendment that's occurred over the last few decades."

The release also quotes former Rep. Paul Broun (who ran an earlier version of the caucus from 2009-13) as saying that "Preserving the right to keep and bear arms is essential to maintaining freedom and liberty in our country."

"While many of us lawyers are working to secure pro-gun reforms in the courts, it's reassuring to know that the Second Amendment Caucus is doing the same in the legislature," Alan Gura, the lawyer who won both of the most promising cases this century for Second Amendment liberties, McDonald v. City of Chicago and District of Columbia v. Heller, said in that release.

Massie's office offered as one example of the type of legislation the caucus and its members hopes to introduce and promote 2015's cheekily titled "Hearing Protection Act".

That would, as Guns.com reported, treat silencers the same way as a long gun in terms of the legal hoops one had to jump through to buy one.

Massie spokesperson Lorenz Isidro explains that under current law, silencers must be registered "under the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (ATF background check takes 4-9 months) and pay $200 for a tax stamp," a far more onerous process than for "Title I" weapons, most typical long guns and handguns. Silencers are largely treated the same as machine guns and sawed-off shotguns under current law, which that proposed bill would change.

Founding members of the caucus are:

Jeff Duncan (R-SC), Ted Yoho (R-FL), Brian Babin (R-TX), Paul Gosar (R-AZ), Mark Meadows (R-NC), Ken Buck (R-CO), Alex Mooney (R-WV), Justin Amash (R-MI), Jody Hice (R-GA), Dave Brat (R-VA), Warren Davidson (R-OH), Scott Perry (R-PA), and James Comer (R-KY).

Massie had been rumored last week to possibly be leaving Congress to join the Trump administration as head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, though as Reason's Ed Krayewski reported, those rumors were news to Massie himself.

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  1. Hurray!

  2. 2015’s cheekily titled “Hearing Protection Act”.

    I loled.

    1. It’s not cheeky, it’s accurate.

    2. The Preet Protection Act

      We’re dealing with silencers.

        1. *revs woodchipper* (In a non-menacing way)

  3. Woohoo!

    50 state constitutional carry, please!

    1. Yep, just like recognizing driver’s licenses and marriages.*

      *I am against the state licensing any of these, but hey, I know where I am commenting.

      1. a compromising anarchist?!
        yeah, this is at least a move in the right direction.

        1. An anarchist friend of mine once told me that libertarians are simply anarchists with bowties.

      2. I’m a big fan of allowing people to carry weapons, and I don’t think licensing should be required. However, the idea of the Feds mandating that every state recognize every other state’s license to carry makes me nervous. I worry that down the road it would be used as an excuse for the Feds to mandate restrictive licensing requirements in all states.

    2. i sure hope so. it would make relocation a lot simpler for a good portion of the country.

      hey, I asked you a question over in the links.

      1. Hi Doom, I just saw it.

        I haven’t used the battery or oil pan warmer. I had an old LeMans that wouldn’t start if there was a cold beer on the hood, so I had a block heater for that. I would give the cheaper solutions a try first.

        Have you load tested the battery? It may be on the way out. Also, a cutoff or battery tender might be a good idea – old cars seem to always have some parasitic draw.

        1. I use the cutoff, but testing the cranking amperage this morning was not possible. It did show 12.7 this morning after i tried to start for a few minutes. I would assume it was above 13 when i walked outside.

          I can usually get it going with the starter fluid, but ran out recently.

          1. I hate to rely on starter fluid. Maybe check the choke and/or coil?

            You have a new wire from the starter to the solenoid, correct?

            1. I hate using it, but its nice to have around.
              choke is ok, but the overall condition of the carb might get a C+.
              I suspected a bit of a ignition timing issue, and cleaned the contacts to be sure. plugs work, but could be replaced.
              I do have new wire to solenoid, and a year old starter/solenoid.

              1. Ok. If you can take it over to your buddy’s garage, maybe check the float adjustment.

                What carb is it? Is it possibly draining down?

                Definitely a rebuild for you this spring 😉

                  1. Haha. Yep. There is a growing pile of manuals and parts on my desk. It’s a constant source of amusement for my wife.

                    Good luck tomorrow!

                    1. Always learning.
                      Thanks, man. It’ll be warmer. That should help.

  4. An AK above every TV and an M1911A in every bedroom stand!

    1. On the government dime no less. Because if I’ve learned anything from the Pro-Abortion Crowd, to not subsidize something is to restrict access or even taking away someone’s right.

      1. “Shall not be infringed” indeed.

        You having to pay $30 for birth control is infringement on your rights? Time for Single Payer Firearms!

        Pentagon would love it, too. Dump old rifles and pistols, get shiny new better ones, with extra-rails and superscopes!

        1. I’ve read this book. The part where the rag-tag bands of special forces operators and independent woodsmen go up against armor divisions and unmanned drones traveling at 30,000 ft. doesn’t sound like fun for anyone.

          /I know you’re being sarcastic but…

          1. Semi-sarcastic. According to my friend, all his friends in Sarajevo (sensible urban professionals, many of them still tracing aristocratic lineage) whose families were in the ‘guns? like commoners?’ crowd before the war, swear they’ll never be without a firearm again.
            Yugoslav army did try pushing an armored column into the city on the first day of war. It didn’t go great for it…

          2. I saw a secret documentary on that. They keep changing the number in the series. Search for “Ewok” and you should find it. Should be an inspiration to all.

          3. I think our recent experience in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc have shown clearly that while a rag tag group isn’t going to stop an armored invasion by an equiv-tech civilization (even if that Army belongs to your own government) but it will definitely make a successful occupation nearly impossible.

            Basically the ‘you don’t need guns to defend your freedom because there’s nothing you can do versus the USA’ argument anti-gun proponents like to trot out (including one of our own trolls here) has already been shot down.

            But yes, it will be miserable for *everyone* involved – militia/terrorists and ‘lawful combatants/terrorists and innocent civilians/terrorists alike.

            1. Basically the ‘you don’t need guns to defend your freedom because there’s nothing you can do versus the USA’ argument anti-gun proponents like to trot out (including one of our own trolls here) has already been shot down.

              As long as we agree ‘shot down’ as ‘shown irrelevant’ rather than ‘shot down’ as ‘demonstrably preposterous’. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. tell one story, The Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, The American Civil War, not to mention Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc. tell another. Even the cases you cite are kinda poor examples of people defending themselves against their oppressors, we and other nations have pumped lots of man hours and resources into those proxy fights to arrive at ho-hum outcomes.

              Not saying America or Americans would be the same, just that it’s quite imaginable that civilians wouldn’t have sufficient bloodlust or we’d be in a situation where our bloodlust might be sufficient but we’ve depleted our reserve of ‘military advisers’ in overseas roles or some similar unfortunate combination of factors.

    2. Those AKs are being built in Florida now, comrades.

      1. And they say Obama didn’t bring manufacturing jobs to America…

        It’s because of Russia sanctions hitting Kalashnikov factories, right? Though, from some videos I’ve seen, Serbian AKs seem to have a decent reputation (mostly, depending on the model).

      2. Right Arm Of the Free World, bitches.

        Made just outside the heart of darkness in Lake Barrington, IL for over 25 yrs.

        1. I’d shoot a lot more 7.62×51 if it didn’t cost an arm and a leg to fill a magazine.

    3. I want one of these.

      1. Now that’s how you clear snow!

      2. Just don’t take a round in the tank…instant Fry Daddy.

      3. But does handle gelled petroleum? Flame is nice but you’ll only get surface charring that way. Need to have the heat stick and stay for maximum transfer of energy.

    4. The first clause of 2A suggests that every adult male in a free state has the responsibility to own weapons that are suitable for use and be capable of adequate gun control to serve in the militia. Gun control, of course, is demonstrated by a tight pattern at fifty yards with a rifle and at twenty feet.

      1. with a pistol.

      2. So do you zero at 150′ or 300′? I’ve been going back and forth as to what is most useful in a city.

  5. No love for SBRs?

  6. “Hearing Protection Act”.

    Nice

  7. I really hope this passes. I want silencers for my ARs, but I’m unwilling to jump through the current hoops.

    1. Yeah, $200 tax on a $400 silencer is ludicrous

      1. $400 silencers? I think the Chinese should be able to beat that retail price by at least $300.

        1. I can beat it by about $395. Unfortunately, my method, while effective, is highly illegal.

          1. Not under any constitutional law. Sounds like an infringement.

            1. Make no mistake, it is exactly that, just like drug laws.

        2. Get rid of the hoops and the market opens up enough that the Chinese will take on the challenge of bringing low-quality but low-priced suppressors to the masses.

          But right now, if you’re dropping $600+ for one (price plus NFA tax) you’re not going to go for cheap.

          1. Reminds me of that film I watched recently, War Dogs, where the independents arms dealers got busted for selling Chinese made ammo to the US military. That’s a pretty good watch if you haven’t seen it.

          2. The Chinese make high quality firearms. Unfortunately there is an export restriction agreement in effect.

            1. +1 norinko sks.

          3. Truefact: SIG has a LE discount for their silencers which will in fact save you a boatload.

        3. Hell, for a little more than that you can get a Harbor Freight mini-lathe and make suppressors all the livelong day.

      2. Yeah, but you have to realize that everyone who buys a silencer, just like anyone who buys a scary black AR-15 type rifle, are potential assassins. It can’t just be because they love firearms and it’s a hobby for them.

      3. It’s also important to note that the tax is both on the manufacture and the transfer, so effectively we are paying $400 in taxes if we purchase from a dealer instead of making our own.

  8. Founding members of the caucus are ….

    This is one of the reasons I appreciate Doherty’s articles. Here he provided us with a list (easily verifiable) of the individuals who we can contact to express our opinions.

    Other Reason Editors/Editors regarding a particular capacity/contributors of things written on H&R/et cetera, have occasionally done the same, of course, and if I remembered who they were I very well might have mentioned their names.

  9. Brian, there is an error. I don’t see any of the civil liberty loving democrats listed.

    Jeff Duncan (R-SC), Ted Yoho (R-FL), Brian Babin (R-TX), Paul Gosar (R-AZ), Mark Meadows (R-NC), Ken Buck (R-CO), Alex Mooney (R-WV), Justin Amash (R-MI), Jody Hice (R-GA), Dave Brat (R-VA), Warren Davidson (R-OH), Scott Perry (R-PA), and James Comer (R-KY).

    1. They support your civil liberty to be rich and well connected so you can hire bodyguards with guns to defend yourself.

      1. They support yourtheir civil liberty to be rich and well connected so youthey can hire bodyguards with guns to defend yourselfthemselves.

        *You* didn’t build that and can go fuck yourself.

    2. Every time I see R-Dave Brat instead of R-Eric Cantor my painties get a little moist.

      1. straffinrun,

        I am friendly to a great many individuals in that state*, and I have been unsuccessful in my attempts at inspiring several of them to read H&R and join their thoughts to our own here upon these “unhallowed threads”, as I’ve been labeling them.

        In this context, can you (or another poster) elaborate upon why Mr. Brat is better for my fellow citizens than Mr. Cantor?

        (It’s a Commonwealth and not a State, I know)

        1. In the US, there isn’t actually a difference. For like a hundred years now.

          1. Aggy,

            Pedants.

        2. Can’t elaborate, no time, but any R was better than Cantor IMHO.

    3. Brian, there is an error. I don’t see any of the civil liberty loving democrats listed.

      They’re extinct. The Soviet Communists killed the last one in 1983

  10. Massie had been rumored last week to possibly be leaving Congress to join the Trump administration as head of the White Office of Science and Technology Policy…

    I don’t know who I’d hate worse if Trump offered Massie a WH job and Massie accepted it. I can live with Sessions in the admin on the grounds that it gets that evil old bastard out of the Senate but I’d hate to see Trump weakening Congress by taking out one of the few good ones.

      1. Put him in charge of converting it from a LEA to a convenience store and drive through.

  11. I gotta say, I’m a little hard right now.

    1. I’ve got a raging Liberty boner. This would be a major return of freedom. Also it would create jerbz.

  12. Great fucking news.

  13. BOOOOO…

    oh no wait

  14. Would this lead to a lower cost for silencers? Because I’ve looked at them and jeeezus they’re expensive for a freaking metal can with baffles inside. Seriously, a silencer should cost about $40.00. It’s not like they need some ultra precision tolerances/high strength alloys/etc. They’re just glorified lawnmower mufflers. I know, I’m oversimplifying, but if they get sort of deregulated, I’m going to become a commercial manufacturer, because there’s a LOT of profit margin in those cans. I bet the liability insurance costs more than the whole damn part.

    1. Yes. Silencers are expensive because if you have to wait a year and pay a $200 application fee to get one, they need to be built to last; something that needs to be replaced every year or two simply isn’t practical. Get rid of the application fee and wait, and they can become much more disposable.

    2. Without all the regs, silencers would be dirt cheap. Any current manufacturer can only sell a small quantity of them due to the onerousness of the NFA, making It necessary for them to charge much more than their investment in time and material to maintain and economically viable business model.

      If one could pick up and can hardware store with no government interference, any company could manufacture them on scale that would and low them to have thin profit margins but make up on volume. If this act passes, I plan on making a killing threading barrels.

    3. The more expensive silencers are able to be disassembled for cleaning. You can find a few under $200 but they are difficult to clean.

  15. What’s the consensus on suppressor vs silencer?

    1. Whichever one is made of harder material wins.

      1. Duct-taping a thin pillow around the end of the barrel doesn’t count?

        1. This is beginning to sound like one of those lateral thinking puzzles where everybody just assumes you use the pillow and duct tape to make a silencer for the gun but the right answer is that you don’t have any bullets and should just tape the pillow to the guy’s face.

    2. Generally, suppressor is considered “more” correct, but considering that the guy who invented called them “silencers”, I think either term is fine.

      1. They don’t make a gun silent so I go with ‘suppressor’ as being more accurate.

        1. Nonsense. I seen it on the TV. The gun just goes Pthpth, and that’s it. Like, someone in the next room can’t even hear it, man.
          Which may actually be part of the problem: the inventor called it a “silencer” so people who don’t know naturally assume it silences the gun.

        2. Never mind accuracy. Call the things “mufflers.” (Just like the one you are required to have under your car.)

          1. Yeah, I find it more than a little bizarre that I could get a ticket for not putting a muffler on my car, but I could go to prison for putting a muffler on my gun.

      2. This is where I fall. They don’t really “silence” the report they “suppress” it, but the inventor does get to name it.

    3. I always say “suppressor”. I’m always precise on “magazine” and “clip” too but I like to troll so routinely (and correctly) refer to revolvers as “pistols”

            1. Grab it by it’s fucking leg!

  16. “According to a press release today from his office, Massie believes the results of this year’s election “present us with a new opportunity to advance pro-gun legislation and reverse the erosion of the Second Amendment that’s occurred over the last few decades.”

    I could be wrong, but I would say that the biggest erosion of those rights is the passage of the 1994 Brady Act and the subsequent 1998 additions to it. The government does not have any fucking right to even know who buys a firearm, when they bought it, or how many they have, or what type it is. it’s a guaranteed constitutional right for all Americans. Either we have a Constitution and guaranteed rights, or we don’t. So which is it?

      1. I’m not getting your point.

        1. We do have constitutional rights, but our government is violating them all the time. “Shall not be infringed” comes to mind.

          1. Ok so we agree. Guaranteed and Shall not be infringed to me does not include ‘but sensible regulations and secret lists’.

            1. I was being snarky and saying what the govt thinks. It’s like you don’t even know me. *Sobs*

              1. Don’t fret now, weedhopper, I shall appreciate your sarcasm next time.

    1. Meh,

      Single – One
      Couple – Two
      Few – 2-3
      Several – 3-4

      2016 – a few decades >= 1986.

      1. Well, sounds like 1994-1998 falls within that time frame. Fucking Clintons, and Hillary was going to finish the job.

        1. Please don’t quote me authoritatively. I assume Massie and I’s common understanding of the term ‘few’ stems from our mutual upbringing West of the Mason-Dixon line (or possibly North of the Mississippi, I can never remember).

          1. I’ve lived all over the damn country except the northeast and I would understand few as being 3 or more, typically 3, but probably not more than 5, then we’re getting into several. It’s not a well defined term, but few , I would assume typically 3-5.

      2. Hmm, not how I was taught, but ok.

        Single- one
        Couple- two
        Few 3-4
        Several – 5-6
        Genders: 31

        1. You need an update… there are now 385i genders now

          1. It’s not an imaginary number. It’s a complex number.

            2 + 383i

      3. exactly

      4. So maybe he’s planning to go after the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act? New machineguns for everybody!

        (I doubt it, and if I had to choose between inexpensive suppressors and inexpensive full-auto I’d definitely pick suppressors.)

    2. It’s a living Constitution.

      And, by “living Constitution”, I mean it’s a dead constitution.

  17. One for the “Ain’t no voter fraud no-how crowd”:

    In one Detroit Precinct, a recount team was given a box of ballots with an unbroken seal where everything appeared proper and in place. The tag on the box said there were 306 ballots. The book said 306, and the ticket said 306, so that means there should be 306 paper ballots on the box. When they pulled out the ballots, there were exactly FIFTY paper ballots in a locked sealed box that again was supposed to have 306.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.co…..precincts/

    There are apparently discrepancies in nearly every Detroit precinct.

    1. I bet they intentionally threw away all of Hillary’s ballots. Maybe Jill Stein will look into this?

    2. OK, there *may* have been some voter fraud. That doesn’t mean the election was *rigged*.

      1. The KGB secretly sneaked in there and stole all of Hillary’s ballots. Now I agree, we have to take a look at this. I’m sure the Jill Stein team will be right on that.

    3. It’s because they’re underfunded.

    4. There is voter fraud, but requiring ID to vote isn’t going to stop it, as the above example shows.

      (Not that I’m opposed to requiring proof of identification to vote, just that it won’t work.)

    5. They were eaten by Schrodinger’s cat.

    6. When they pulled out the ballots, there were exactly FIFTY paper ballots in a locked sealed box that again was supposed to have 306.

      My homie Razorfist did a post-mortem of the election and pointed out how the Clinton campaign had lawyered up heavily in advance of the election to ensure that any post-election challenges would get a robust fight in court…

      …but when the thing didn’t go her way? Dead silence from her team.

      He read this (as I do) that no one in the Clinton camp wants stones to be turned over in places like PA and MI. There was likely fraud up the wazoo. All the judges shutting down Jill Stein seem to be aware of this because absolutely no one wants to go there.

    7. There are apparently discrepancies in nearly every Detroit precinct.

      ~60% (390/660), technically

      A better source than Gateway Pundit
      (*i just dislike certain obviously-partisan outlets when it comes to political reporting; not that the average city paper isn’t also partisan; they just hide it better)

      One-third of precincts in Wayne County could be disqualified from an unprecedented statewide recount of presidential election results because of problems with ballots.

      Michigan’s largest county voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, but officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results late last month….

      Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.

      County reports obtained by The Detroit News, though, indicate canvassers were provided no explanation for why the numbers didn’t add up in those precincts. They certified the results of the election anyway.

      1. “”The certified election results would stand if a precinct is determined to be non-recountable,” Byrum told reporters.”

        That seems incredibly wrong to me. One would think the existing ballots would be counted, or the entire precinct removed from the count since something is definitely fishy.

      2. Well, I said Detroit, not Wayne County, but I hear you on the sourcing. I’m just too lazy – I lob up the first confirmation bias I see.

  18. “Massie had been rumored last week to possibly be leaving Congress to join the Trump administration as head of the White Office of Science and Technology Policy”

    Ok, I see what you guys did there.

    1. Ah, jeez. Well, I did NOT see what I had done there. It’s undone now.

      1. Lol, sorry, couldn’t resist, Brian. Thanks for reading the comments.

  19. SIV was talking yesterday about how a 50 state conceal carry reciprocity bill was a shoo-in. Again, I’m all fer it, but I don’t see any evidence that this is going to sail through.

    1. A federal reciprocity law is likely. I doubt it will be 50 state and it sure as hell won’t be constitutional carry. I’m not sure how they could work out the states with magazine bans and NJ’s ban on hollow points.

      1. So if it’s not 50 state, how would a federal law apply?

        1. Require all “shall issue” states to reciprocate.

    2. It would never fly in New York or New Jersey.

      1. Nobody asked them. LEOSA, but for everyone.

        1. Why do you think our HEROES IN BLUE? don’t deserve special privileges?

    3. I posted this comment previously, but I’ll say it again, the idea of Federally mandated reciprocity between states makes me nervous because it seems like it could be used as an excuse down the road to mandate restrictive standards on all states.

      Then again, maybe if they mandate restrictive standards on permits a bunch more states will switch to constitutional carry and not require a permit at all.

  20. OT: What’s the best option for a stove when you don’t have a gas line to your house?

    I’ve always had electric stoves, but I would really love to have a gas stove. Unfortunately, that doesn’t appear to be in my future. What’s the best alternative?

    1. wood?

    2. Glass top? Not sure what other alternatives there are, aside from a wood stove.

      1. I’m looking at induction currently, but there are other options, i’m sure.

        Anyway, I’m looking for anybody who has experience with induction and gas to tell me which they preferred

        1. Gas stove is the only way to go, bro. It doesn’t matter whether it’s natural gas or propane. Ok, it matters in that propane is a lot more expensive. But electric is shit for cooking. I’ve lived in some pretty rural areas, but I’ve never lived anywhere that I couldn’t get a pig and someone to fill it with propane.

    3. Can you get a pig? I mean a propane tank?

      1. Yeah, I probably can. I’ve got an old oil tank at the new house that could be taken out and the space used for propane. Is gas significantly better than induction?

      2. Yeah, I probably can. I’ve got an old oil tank at the new house that could be taken out and the space used for propane. Is gas significantly better than induction?

        1. Just do it, and the tank goes outside, it’s typically 500 gallons and they’ll run the lines to your house. What are you using for heat, or do you need it?

          1. And there is nothing that compares to a gas range for cooking. Ok, I’ve never used induction, but there’s no way I can believe it would be as good as gas. And they’re very expensive.

            1. I’ve used induction. Once, in a vacation rental. It’s shit.

          2. Heat is electric. It used to be oil, which is where the tank is from.

            1. I once owned a home that was built in 1856, and there was both an old coal furnace and an oil furnace and tank down in the basement. It was fun getting the cast iron coal furnace out of the basement. The thing must have weighed a ton.

              If you get a propane tank you can use that for heat also if you want to spend the money for a furnace. I can say that’s always been my preference. I haven’t owned a home with electric heat or cooking range in about 15-20 years.

        2. Propane,You Must have it above ground,
          You need pooling pans under appliances because cold Propane will liquefy and stand in a puddle waiting for a flame , then WHoosh! no more face hair! or House, Be careful, get an HVAC contractor,
          Yusef, HVACR Contractor

          1. Not looking for work, and the hair was mine 🙂

      1. Still have the rotisserie.

        Don’t hate, it’s awesome.

        1. Who’s hating? The man cured my baldness and I can fish anywhere anytime.

          1. Is there anything he can’t do?

    4. Induction is awesome for heating water, really fast. But for everyday cooking, nothing beats gas for immediate temperature control. Be aware though, that induction requires iron in your pans.

      1. That’s what I thought, but I didn’t want to speculate about induction, as I’ve never used it. A good gas range is just wonderful for cooking.

      2. nothing beats gas for immediate temperature control

        That’s what i’m a bit afraid of with induction, especially since I would almost exclusively use my cast irons with it. However, after cooking with electric coil burners my entire adult life, I’m sure either one would be a massive upgrade.

        1. Dude, get gas, just do it. You will be in cooking heaven after using electric all that time. We only use stainless steel for cooking, with or without the copper bottoms. We have cast, just don’t really use them. We also cook on the gas grill outside using ceramic and granite pizza stones.

          1. All right, whats the one thing you would say makes the difference. I don’t get it. In my opinion it comes down to familiarity, I can cook much better on my ancient electric (I know just where to set the temp for any one of my pans for whatever effect i need) , than I can on my sisters brand new high end gas (guessing and adjusting). I imagine given time I’d master her stove as well but I don’t notice an immediate advantage.

            1. Temperature control.

            2. Gas’s biggest advantages are

              Instant heat control
              It works when your power is out

              Downside I guess would be potential CO or source of explosion.

        2. I bought an induction. It is a dream to cook on. It is to gas what gas is to electric coils. You need compatible cookware. My cast iron is ok, but I bought a set of induction compatible stainless steel and I use those exclusively. It is such an improvement over anything I have ever used words fail me.

          1. In other news, Suthenboy stock plummeted 200% this evening.

    5. Induction. It’s so much cooler than a glass top electric stove that it doesn’t even matter that it works better.

    6. While I do prefer gas, due to a strange quirk of where I live, I have a glass top electric stove.

      Glass tops are way better than the old style electric that you set your pots right on the coils.
      Getting heat is virtually instant (5 seconds you have heat).

      The biggest downside is you pretty much have to clean it after each use.
      The upside is its super easy to clean.

      Strangest thing about where I live.
      Virtually every house we looked at, even though they had natural gas furnace and water heater, the stove and clothes dryer were electric. Just didn’t make sense.

      1. I dunno. I’ve almost always had a gas furnace and range, and water heater, and an electric clothes dryer. Sounds normal to me. You don’t have to run an additional line to your gas dryer if it’s electric. Just plug it in.

      2. Growing up, we had a gas stove (in goldenrod; the house was built in 1974) but everything else was electric.

        When my parents renovated, they got a glass top and did away with the propane since the house is on top of a hill with a long driveway.

  21. Wow. When the pendulum swings back it doesnt fuck around, does it?

    There is so much bright and hopeful news lately I don’t know how much more I can stand.

    1. But it’s now ( ), () and Palmer,
      /too soon?

    2. We’re all going to crash to earth when Trumputin names Romey as SOS and Dicaprio to head NASA.

      1. Dicaprio? Not Matt Damon? Damon would science the shit out of everything.

    3. It feels weird having hope. I’m so use to the ratchet going one way.

      1. Just imagine if Hillary is POTUS right now. Fucking nightmare scenario.

        1. The only hope was gridlock and major stroke if she won.

          1. Before she appointed two uber leftist shitheads to SCOTUS.

        2. My God, you aren’t kidding there. I cant tell you what a weight was lifted from me when she lost. That would have been the coups de grace for the liberty and she really made no effort to hide that. Her awfulness is beyond measure.

          1. We stayed up all night until Hillary conceded. Both my wife and I were ecstatic. I was watching coverage and she went, I dunno, to the kitchen or bathroom, and when she came back I remember telling her that Trump won PA. We were drinking champagne at 4am! My wife is an avid Trump supporter, I’m not, but I despise Hilary so much that anyone beating her would have been total euphoria for me.

            1. I went to bed early, figuring I was going to need my strength going forward, and then I woke up to Christmas morning.

        3. Yeah, but I was prepared for it.

      2. I am so use to the ratchet going one way.

        Hey, sailor – I know guy who can fix that for you.

  22. What good is a .300 blackout upper without a can? End this long national nightmare already.

      1. well done, ted. i had forgotten that ad.

  23. Here’s a picture that should scare the daylights out of the DNC right now.

    Throw in Lee and Massie and I don’t know how Schumer sleeps at night.

    1. Would wouldn’t wouldn’t wouldn’t wouldn’t.

      I can’t imagine why you would follow her.

      1. The girl with the crutches? No? Really?

        Crusty COME ON MAN.

          1. If you think I have strange tastes then I must be doing something right.

    2. Chaffetz is a massive piece of shit nearly unmatched by anyone in the DNC.

      1. Wow, how come the hate for Chaffetz?

        1. Is that a serious question? This is a libertarian site, you know?

          1. I get that he’s no Rand Paul but he’s sponsored some pretty decent liberty positive bills, like the Stingray Privacy Act, for instance.

            My point was just that the GOP has a deep young bench with plenty of potential right now, much much deeper than the DNC.

            1. He’s a hardcore drug warrior. Best do your research, not only is he not Rand Paul, he’s more like Jeff Sessions. Fuck that guy.

    3. I’d rather have met Curt Gowdy.

  24. So, I’m reading part of Harry Reid’s retirement speech and he’s talking about how he tried to get McCarran Airport renamed, because the guy the named it after was just so horrible. What made him so horrible I wondered?

    wiki sez: McCarran became well known as one of the few congressional Democrats who totally rejected the New Deal.

    Ah. That explains it. He was also a staunch anti-communist, because amazingly, there was a time when Team Blue was against it.

  25. no “gun control” law is constitutional. infringe has a specific meaning.

    1. So does “interstate commerce”.

      As does “reasonable”.

  26. OT: I heard duct tape referred to the other day as Redneck Chrome. I larfed.

  27. I missed PM links, like always, because I have a real job in a real time zone. Nor am I wading through 400+ comments to see if anybody posted this already:
    This is the list of awards John Glen received:
    Distinguished Flying Cross ? 6
    Air Medal
    Presidential Unit Citation
    Navy Unit Commendation
    American Campaign Medal
    Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal
    World War II Victory Medal
    China Service Medal
    Navy Occupation Service Medal
    National Defense Service Medal
    Korean Service Medal
    United Nations Korea Medal
    South Korea Presidential Unit Citation
    Congressional Gold Medal
    Presidential Medal of Freedom
    Congressional Space Medal of Honor

    1. Juuust missed the Live for a Century medal though.

      1. Unless he dies in the next 24 hours, Kirk Douglas gets that honor tomorrow.

    2. that is quite the list.

      this is why we need a reason at night post.

      1. I’ve never understood why the PM Links come so early. 6 eastern makes a ton more sense to me.

        1. i get it in the “business is over in new york” sense.
          its something to distract me at 230, cant be that bad.

        2. I figured it was posted at 1630 so the Eastern Time Zone (which is the GMT of North America) office dwellers had something to do the last 30 mins of their work day.

          1. What part of the west slope you in, anyway? I went to Wasted State College in Gunnison.

      2. You mean People on the West coast who have jobs Links?

        1. California is full of beach bums!
          /ski bum

  28. Mike Tirico adds nothing to a broadcast.

    1. But look how much you value the mute key now!

    2. If they’re going to do a monochromatic uniform on thursday nights, they need to kill the all-whites. I’ve never seen an all white uniform that I’ve actually liked.

      1. There might not be an more TNF after this season as the ratings aren’t good and the teams hate it. So just a few more weeks of pajamas games left, I hope.

        1. That would be nice, but I do like the throwback ones.

          1. I’m probably one of the few people who liked the Steelers’ bumblebee uniforms.

            1. *throws Cornish game hen leavins’ at Ted*

              FECK!

  29. Hyperion|12.8.16 @ 7:27PM|#
    “Just imagine if Hillary is POTUS right now. Fucking nightmare scenario.”

    True, but there would be far less whining and pants-shitting. The sore-losers just won’t STFU.

    1. They do when you hit them in the solar plexus. Works for screaming kids, too.

        1. That was funny. But it’s loud where I’m at, why’d that dude punch that chick in her pussy?

          1. “I feel pregnant.”

    2. there would be far less whining and pants-shitting

      To be fair, i was whining and pants-shitting all year long because i assumed she would win. I was trying to get comfortable with certain doom.

    3. Protip: drink the tears and whiff deeply on the butthurt.

  30. Anyone ever wonder what sort of Electronic Music was being made behind the iron curtain in the late-70s/1980s? Me Neither. But here’s an answer to the question no one’s ever asked*

    I’m going to put the first minute of that (or so) to some stock D&B and see how that works.

    (*to be honest, its not much different than the sort of stuff Nonesuch was putting out in the late 60s. basically, the soviet were 10years behind in the modular-synth-knob-knob-twiddling-arms-race)

    1. oh, and *of course* its called, “Human Extinction“. It wasn’t going to be something cute & funny, was it?

      1. This is what it will sound like when the Evil Space Whales come for us.

  31. oh boy! another flag.

    1. You’re a vexillologist?

  32. The hearing protection act will help reduce PSTD when liberals fire an AR-15

    1. Or PTSD.

  33. I’m fairly certain that if it weren’t for the NFA the large majority of rifles in the united States would be suppressed by now.

    I enjoy shooting, but the noise is not so fun.

  34. Considering the adoption of non-discretionary (or “shall-issue”) concealed carry by most states in the last 30 years, another federal law that MUST be changed is the non-sensical ban on the possession of firearms anywhere on US Postal Service property.

    How can somebody exercise their right-to-carry if federal law prohibits lawfully-armed citizens from picking up their mail or buying postage stamps?

    If “shall not be infringed” doesn’t mean anything in US Post Offices — the single place where most Americans routinely interact with their national government — then it simply means nothing at all.

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