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Army Corps of Engineers Halts Work on Dakota Access Pipeline

Standing Rock protesters succeed in blocking Bakken oil pipeline route

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The apparent decision by the Army Corps of Engineers to not grant an easement for the Dakota Access Pipeline to cross under Lake Oahe was announced via a tweet from the Standing Rock protesters in North Dakota. Evidently, the Corps has decided to conduct an additional environmental assessment seeking alternative routes. From the New York Times:

In a statement on Sunday, the Army's Assistant Secretary for Civil Works, Jo-Ellen Darcy, said that the decision was based on a need to explore alternate routes for the pipeline crossing.

"Although we have had continuing discussion and exchanges of new information with the Standing Rock Sioux and Dakota Access, it's clear that there's more work to do," Ms. Darcy said. "The best way to complete that work responsibly and expeditiously is to explore alternate routes for the pipeline crossing."

The consideration of alternative routes "would be best accomplished through an Environmental Impact Statement with full public input and analysis," Ms Darcy said in a statement.

This decision may address the expressed concerns of the Standind Rock Sioux Tribe about protecting drinking water sources and sacred sites, but it does not mean that the pipeline will not get built. It is worth noting that the land through which the pipeline was routed is privately owned and the easements were reportedly acquired without the exercise of eminent domain.

Quick update: National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) President and CEO Jay Timmons just released this statement in response to the Army Corps decision:

"This decision defies logic, science and sound policy-decision making, and the consequences can be measured in lost work for manufacturers and those in the manufacturing supply chain.

"If a project that has involved all relevant stakeholders and followed both the letter and spirit of the law at every step of this approval process can be derailed, what signal does that send to others considering building new energy infrastructure in this country?

"We can only hope that President-elect Trump will stand by his promises to invest aggressively in new infrastructure in America and start by overturning this misguided decision and allow the completion of the pipeline."

Sadly, neither current President Obama or President elect Trump seem overly concerned about the rule of law.

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  1. Somehow this pipeline has more evil spirits in it than all the other pipelines in the area?

  2. This won’t matter in about 6 weeks.

    Meanwhile, it saved some idiots from dying. It’s going to be below zero there by Friday.

    1. They need firewood, so do your part.

    2. By Wednesday AM. With 20-30 MPH winds, lol.

      1. The Freezing Man Festival is over.

        1. Denhoff, North Dakota
          Thursday 12/08 2 | -11 ?F
          Thursday 10% Precip. / 0 in

          Overcast. High 2F. Winds NW at 15 to 25 mph.
          Thursday Night 10% Precip. / 0 in

          Partly cloudy skies. Low -11F. Winds NW at 10 to 20 mph.
          http://www.intellicast.com/Loc…..n=USND0086

  3. Wait wait let me guess. Libertarians for eminent domain!

    1. Paragraph 5 was a bridge too far for you I see.

    2. T: Did you fail to read that the relevant easements in ND were NOT acquired via eminent domain?

      1. Did you fail to read …

        ROFL!

      2. What, I make fun of your prayer for immortality on every anti-aging column you write and get nothing, when all I had to do to get a response was just not read them?

        This is bullshit.

      3. Bailey: Tony is an idiot and a troll. Please don’t feed the trolls.

        1. If one does not respond to trolls, trolls can correctly say that no one responded, and make their trolling appear more valid than if they have to leave out or distort responses, which is an explicit error of commission and harder for their followers to ignore or forgive.

          1. Chipper,

            Are you stating that it is generally the case that a) ignoring our fellow commentators who act “troll-like” yields/engenders in them a similar result to b) addressing their points?

            Shorter: Lose/Lose?

            1. My experience has been that when you ignore trolls, it is all too easy for them to use that silence to show their followers that you are afraid of the trolls.

              Whereas if you rebut them, they have to actively distort or deny your rebuttal. Most of their followers will never check the record, but the few that do will discover that Dear Leader has been lying, and that’s much more disruptive than investigating and finding that yes, he was ignored.

              1. You seem to be a crafty one, Chipper.

              2. Wait, trolls have followers? Like fans?

                1. I follow Tony all around the country in my 1989 Chrysler LeBaron.

                2. Just look at Milo.

      4. Ya know – this has got to have his face burning with embarrassment. I usually say 5 minutes with Wikipedia can keep you from looking like an ass but in this case, simply RTFA . . .

        Its literally a half-page in.

        1. Maybe this is another sign that reality is biased towards capitalism.

      5. “Did you fail to read that the relevant easements in ND were NOT acquired via eminent domain?”

        Tony is well known for slinging lies rather than dealing with any facts; no reason to change now.

    3. The COE essentially controls the entire lake. They don’t need eminent domain.

      Its the Tribe that are being the whiny NIMBY assholes here.

  4. From the linked Daily Caller article:

    Still, federal officials are refusing to evict those hunkered down at makeshift campsites along the DAPL route. Officials believe booting the protesters would harm free speech rights, despite the fact that the land is privately owned.

    Sounds like they don’t give a shit about trespassing there. Any lawyers here to clear that up?

    1. If I had people camping in tents in North Dakota, and I could afford to wait until winter, I’d do so. It’s a trivial way to avoid bungling the eviction process.

      1. It sounded like they were in the way. If not, yea I agree with you, so long as their stupidity does not become my liability.

    2. The main camp is on Corps (fed) land. The pipeline is on private land.

      1. Then this bit “despite the fact that the land is privately owned” is misplaced.

        1. Not surprising, none of these people know jack shit about NoDak. My brother lives in Bismarck, I used to live there 35 years ago.

      2. I thought after the Oregon Bundy situation it was official policy that all those trespassing on federal land were to be ambushed and shot.

        1. Well, Crusty,

          There was the option to arrest specific individuals after they participated in the protest while they were sleeping.

        2. Shit the DOI had and absolute shit fit about that. The new stated policy put out after they were acquitted was, “hey maybe next time we better shoot them first”.

          But there are vastly different types of concerned citizens. The folks in ND are Leftists and Commies, so they are ok and can’t be forcibly removed.

          I’m beginning really to fucking hate progressives.

    3. I don’t see what they’d be concerned about – New Mexico just shoots illegal campers.

      1. They need a man like Gary Johnson!

  5. Oh, oh.

    Thinks just got all shook up in Europe.

    Italy votes No. Renzi may resign. Will EU exit be next?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38204189

    1. I hope so. And I’d love to see Italy decompose back into the little states it’s made up of.

    2. Excellent start to individual currencies with balanced authority and accountability. The bizarre euro can’t disappear fast enough.

      I look forward to Italy and Greece no longer being able to blame the Germans for their slack economies.

      1. I don’t recall Italy blaming Germany for its “slack” economy.

        1. I meant the general attitude that they expect the rest of teh EU (Germany) to prop up their banks, which before they would have had to prop up themselves with currency devaluations.

          1. True enough but they don’t depend on it. Their banks don’t perform ‘Stress tests’ well but it’s structural problems are completely different from Greece and its citizens don’t expect anything from Germany; a country Italy has an interesting relationship with.

      2. And by the way, Italy ALWAYS managed to get inside the Euro thresholds which even Germany would not always respect.

        In case you forget Italy is NOT Greece – first among them, it’s you know, a G7 economy.

        It’s also a founding member of the ECC and always was a steadfast supporter of it and gave more than it took from the community. It’s dynamic and relationship in the EU is different from Greece.

        1. Its.

          This conflating of Italy with Greece is annoying.

          1. Fine, ‘Southern Italy’ is like Greece.

          2. There always that PIIGS acronym — Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain.

            Italy may not be as weak as Greece, but they aren’t rock solid either.

            1. Yeah well, I have a HUGE problem with that. Italy is nothing like those countries. It’s more solid than you think despite its major problems.

              JT, yes but the North more than makes up for it. Major countries have its ‘weak spots.’ Martimes, American south etc.

              1. This is true enough; it is often joked that Milan is the biggest city in southern Germany, as they arguably have more in common with Germans than with Sicilians.

                Fiscally though, Italy isn’t quite ‘northern’; better than Spain though. Maybe even France.

                1. On par with France I reckon.

              2. “American south”

                Um, what?

                1. You know what I mean; rural American south isn’t – or at least historically – not as productive as the North east for example.

                  1. Rufus needs to visit upstate New York, or some of the old coal mining and steel mill towns in Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio some time.

                2. Less industry, more rural poverty.

              3. Does the south have a weak economy?

                1. Historically (at least, after the industrial revolution), the South was definitely our Mezzogiorno.

                  In the past few decades this may have changed, so maybe the midwest gets that honor now. Of course, if I recall, Turin almost turned into Europe’s Detroit after the Italian auto industry started declining awhile ago. If I recall correctly, the development of aircraft manufacturing there (Airbus I assume?) helped save the city.

                  1. Thanks for expressing it better. Yes, Chip, I’ve been to upstate NY/Penn (cue Joel’s Allentown) many times but that doesn’t detract from the overall point about productivity. Hello, the Union was superior during the Civil War because of its industrial advantage.

                    1. Historically it is absolutely true that the North was the manufacturing (and population) stronghold, but shifting trends means things are not so clear-cut. If anything, the south and north are near parity these days. Here’s a sortable table with manufacturing by state, broken down by dollar value as well as share of the economy and employment.

                  2. Mark, about Turin and Airbus – I don’t know. But there was indeed a decline.

                    Italy’s “problem” is that it has an incredibly restrictive labor force which, I don’t think this would surprise anyone around here, leads to all kinds of problems including slower growth. It also has an economy that relies on SME’s more than any of the industrialized nations. Their ’empires’ all tend to still be run along family dynastic lines – Berretta, fashion houses, engineering firms etc.

                    It’s a unique economy in many ways and part of the reason why it’s not a PIIG in my view unless you use a really narrow definition of what constitutes an economy and the criteria that makes you one.

                    It’s an unhelpful and ridiculous term.

                    1. “It’s a unique economy in many ways and part of the reason why it’s not a PIIG in my view unless you use a really narrow definition of what constitutes an economy and the criteria that makes you one.”

                      I have a couple of friends (yep, real friends) in Italy. No one does business legally if they can possibly avoid it.
                      One does vintage race-car work as a hobby; NONE of that is done ‘above the table’. Luigi knows Mario who can cast the parts and Adamo can machine them if Luigi can get good quality ingots to Mario. You can imagine the frictional losses in that sort of transaction.
                      He also runs a business which does RE deals and TI work for the headquarters of 2nd and 3rd tier companies; his headquarters are NOT in Italy.
                      Yep, Italy is not Greece; the Italians are far better at scamming the government, and I applaud the effort. My friend is a hero to me.

        2. Italy has tons of world famous equipment and technologies. I’m honestly trying to think of ONE Greek concern and all I can come up with is …. yogurt something olives? No comparison.

            1. Well there you go. Ferarri-killer. And Metaxa too.

          1. It amuses me that the bestselling brand of Greek yogurt in the US was founded by a Turk.

          2. Exactly. It has a strong industrial, engineering and manufacturing base with excellent branding power. Its banks are intertwined with German banks as each country share technologies and trade as advanced equals.

            Italy is closer to Germany and France than it is Greece and Spain.

            Not to mention parts of the North remain among the wealthiest on earth.

    3. What I have found interesting in the reporting on the vote to amend Italy’s constitution is the fact that no one has actually bothered to explain exactly how Italy’s constitution is to be amended.

      1. All you need to know is that the EuroTrumpkins are taking over.

        1. Given that they were around first, it’s probably more fitting to start calling Trump ‘Donald La Trump’, or um, I can’t think of anything wittier. Sorry.

  6. I have such a random group of people I know that are really excited about this. Oddly enough, until a couple of weeks ago I never knew they cared about the plight of Native Americans.

    1. Everything is a sacred burial ground. Everything.

    2. “Oddly enough, until a couple of weeks ago I never knew they cared about the plight of Native Americans.”

      Hey, Tony got busted above and Fauxcahontas has yet to camp out there!

  7. Murder investigation underway in Oakland warehouse fire. 33 killed. Gonna stick my neck out here and say the focus will be on the property owners, no matter how stupid the artists violating every commercial property ordinance were.

    And no culpability for anybody who was supposed to be enforcing anything mentioned above.

    1. It will be the leaseholder in trouble, Derick Ion. He’s in deep shit.

      The owner had no idea what was going on. She’s an elderly woman. She leased the entire building to him, and then he illegally sublet it to a dozen other people and lived there with his wife and 3 kids.

      When the code enforcement officer showed up there a few weeks ago, and again 3 days after that, he was the one who locked the doors so they couldn’t get inside.

      He was the one who was stealing power from the neighbors because he didn’t want to pay for commercial power from PG&E. He was the one who built the “staircase”. He was the one who rented out space (all cash, under the table) for caves raves.

      He’s fucked. He’s going to lose his kids and go to jail for a very long time. The guy is a completely unlikeable asshole, so it would be best for him to just take a plea. 30 years is reasonable.

      1. I am with you that it should be the leaseholder in trouble. I am not at all confident that he will be.

      2. Wow.

        1. Just looked him up. Sounds like a real depraved asshole for real:

          http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/04/…..st-record/

          1. Yea, to normal people. So how well does he fit in with the art community in Oakland?

      3. His other name is Derick Alemany.

          1. That’s what I get for trusting the internet.

    2. I’m still curious about how the fire started. It seems like it spread too quickly do be a dropped cigarette or something similar. Arson? Was someone inside performing with fire, which had happened in earlier events?

      1. Derick Ion blamed it on bad wiring on the Today Show this morning. I wonder what was plugged into the “bad wiring” that he claimed to complain about for three years. Also, if he was having a wiring war with his landlord, he sure as hell wasn’t in any hurry to let an inspector look at it, per Playa’s comment.

      2. Based on what I’ve read, the place was full of garbage and there were stairs made of wooden pallets. So sounds like they provided plenty of kindling. Could still be arson though.

        1. Garbage or art? It is hard to tell the difference this century.

      3. They were know to have “fire art” and “fire dancing” there. There are even pictures of it on the Ghost Ship webpage.

        Also, they also had a smoking area. That fucking deathtrap had a smoking area.

        Thirdly, they were stealing power. You can see naked romex stapled to the walls and studs. That’s a big fucking no-no. Romex has to be armored if it isn’t inside the walls, so you know for certain that an electrician DIDN’T do it.

        Any one of these things could have caused the fire.

        The way the building was set up, it was only about three minutes from when the fire started until the fates of the people upstairs were sealed. And the power was out and it was dark for most of that time.

        1. The details are indeed ridiculous, and they will not escape the notice of people who are not commenters on Reason to put it mildly.

          I don’t know why a bunch of libertarians are sitting around fretting about whether the landlord or tenant will be held responsible (don’t worry; it’ll be the tenant) given how much else is at stake. This is the fucking 9/11 of housefires. Get ready for a tightening of laws, and a new zeal for enforcement, on what remains of liberty vis a vis local government. The tenant will be blamed, all right, but how much money would you bet that it will be viewed (by politicians or the public) as a matter of him violating his lease, as a tort or contract issue with the landlord? Brace yourselves for draconian new laws and (probably more importantly) draconian new enforcement for: Building code provisions that have nothing to do with fire safety; zoning restrictions (how many times have you heard it repeated that people were not supposed to be living there?); and event licensing (underground parties are some of the only things keeping today’s Bloomergized cities interesting nowadays).

          Bad, bad things are on the horizon.

          1. Indeed. All likely responses will increase costs of housing, make artist’s spaces less affordable, and make interesting events less likely.

            1. You missed the worst one:

              More warrantless inspections.

          2. And more outcry for the government to “do something” about the housing crisis, if my Bay Area acquaintances wailing on Facebook are any indication. Every possible way to increase government meddling is on its way, thanks to this dumbass.

            1. What we need is warehouse control. It’s just too easy these days for unqualified people to get their hands on warehouses.

              1. There are a couple ‘artists co-ops’ in the Mission Creek basin (SF). They are run by non-profits, which you can be sure are funded by the SF gov’t’s interest in ‘promoting the arts’, not to mention vote-buying by the affected supervisor.
                I’m sure there are lengthy discussions occurring as we type, making sure:
                1) that the ‘artists’ don’t get evicted and thereby vote otherwise
                and
                2) removing the identification of said supervisor from the web and paper records of those units so that ol’ fig leaf stays right there.

                1. If you look at my link below, they went to incredible lengths to conceal the fact that they were living there. When visitors came, they ran to hide their clothes and bedding.

                  1. I feel the artists will be making an inappropriate reference to Holland soon, and they will be hailed for it in the halls of Congress.

          3. “This is the fucking 9/11 of housefires.”

            And as I continue to point out, TSA has killed many more people than any likely ‘terrorist’ actions, post-9/11.
            I’m sure we can expect the same.

          4. My first thought yesterday was, “Fuck, this isn’t gonna be our Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, is it?” And that was when the death toll was only at 10.

            I’m sure politicians and bureaucrats at all levels are rushing to ‘address’ this.

          5. Perhaps you missed the comments on previous threads about this.

        2. You’d think they’d at least have the decency to put in a few windows for people to jump out of.

          1. Some of those were covered with iron bars, from the description by a NYC fire marshall. Did not actually see those in the few pictures of the warehouse yet.

    3. I was incorrect. Here is the Today Show interview from this AM. I confused Ion with Max Ohr, the “creative director of the collective.” Bob Mul?, who sounds like a resident of this non-residential property, is also interviewed.

  8. YAY OBAMA SAVED THE PLANET AGAIN

    1. I can hear those sea levels subsiding already. Thanks Obama!

  9. Why, exactly, do we let a bunch of people pretending to live in the stone age and some social justice warriors regulate economic activity in the 21st Century?

    1. Are you talking about the pipeline or the warehouse fire?

      1. Either will do fine…

  10. Jo-Ellen Darcy…You’re Fired!

  11. Long but very good. Reason needs to write about this guy: ‘We’re teaching university students lies’ ? An interview with Dr Jordan Peterson

    Part of the reason I got embroiled in this [gender identity] controversy was because of what I know about how things went wrong in the Soviet Union. Many of the doctrines that underlie the legislation that I’ve been objecting to share structural similarities with the Marxist ideas that drove Soviet Communism. The thing I object to the most was the insistence that people use these made up words like ‘xe’ and ‘xer’ that are the construction of authoritarians. There isn’t a hope in hell that I’m going to use their language, because I know where that leads.

    I mean, I think huge swaths of the university are irrevocably corrupted: sociology, gone; anthropology, gone; history, big chunks of it are gone, the classics, literature, social work, political science in many places, and that doesn’t cover women’s studies, ethnic studies. They probably started lost, and it’s gotten far worse. I believe now, with the exception of the science, technology, engineering, mathematics (STEM) branch, that universities do more harm than good.

    Anything that’s predicated upon group identity, we need to get rid of.

    1. This guy gave a great YouTube interview on the Joe Rogan Show recently. It’s excellent if a bit long.

    2. Reason needs to write about….

      Which “official” writer do you think would present the most objective article, Papaya?

      In the interim, we have a few of the commentators here such as yourself and straffinrun , who provide us with the occasional useful link.

        1. “Though Petersen reprehensibly tramples on the feelings of marginalized transgender folx…” “Despite the completely justified outrage of his detractors, perhaps they overreach just a trifle in wanting him tarred and feathered, though their desire to do so is totes understandable…”

      1. Thanks. No opinion on the writer, though there are a few who come to mind who I would not want to write it.

        1. Indeed.

    3. Interesting read, thanks. I have downloaded his podcast with Rogan to listen to, and may look into his YT channel if that goes well.

    4. That YouTube interview with Rogan was indeed excellent. Someone mentioned it in the comments last week. Well worth checking out.

  12. Have you been to some of these reservations? Some of them aren’t pretending.
    This pipeline probably provides many jobs, rather scarce things in the Dakotas, especially on the reservations. Some reservations are not bad, others are dirt poor.
    Never been to Standing Rock, but I’ve been to Pine Ridge. Gas station had free air, and I watched car after car line up to fill their bald tires.
    Very poor.

    1. Supposed to be a reply to Homple

    2. I have, and White Earth in Minnesota while you’re at it. I don’t see how stopping construction of a pipeline is going to help anyone living on any reservation. Except maybe the on-the-take tribal leaders, quack medicine men and shamans so beloved of the palefaced iPad fondlers.

    3. This pipeline probably provides many jobs, rather scarce things in the Dakotas

      Not sure where you get that idea. I live in North Dakota and the saying about employment here is, “if you don’t have a job, you don’t want one”. It’s been that way as long as I can remember.

      Now, the reservations are definitely a different animal. But none of them are so large that the residents couldn’t travel off the res to get a job if they wanted one.

      1. Ah well, i did not know that. I figured, no people=no jobs. My mistake.

        1. Yeah, believe it or not, there are actual towns, cities, roads and all kinds of different job opportunities here! I know we aren’t as blessed as you fancy, big city folks, but we do our best.

          1. Do you have food other than gruel?

            1. Mostly just grass and bark. And there’s not a lot of trees…so mostly just grass

              1. Well, i should have known better. I’ve lived in some pretty small towns, and the lack of people also means lack of employees. I never had trouble finding a job in Mason city, IA, or Truth or Consequences, NM, for example.

          2. Several stones cobbled together in roughly a straight line doesn’t count as a road outside of the dakotas 😉

      2. Yeah, North Dakota actually suffers from kind of a labor/population shortage. There are places where people anticipated the population exploding because of incoming jobs, so tons of shopping centers and restaurants were built, but then many of them ended up sitting vacant because there’s not enough potential employees to operate all the businesses.

  13. God my derpbook is full of this crap now, like they actually did something. Loser hashtag activists, don’t appease them.

    1. I took a few months off from looking at FB, and finally started tuning in again last week. Early conclusion: the election has given most of my FB friends brain damage.

      1. Yeah, I’ve only dipped into FB & even Twitter a few times – the stupid is still strong.

      2. They were probably brain-damaged before. You just didn’t know it because it never came up in conversation.

  14. OT: Canadian woman, 96, becomes great-great-great-grandmother.

    The article includes a picture of all six generations.

      1. Your comment, Gil, is insufficient and I shall not look there-through Ted’s link.

        Perhaps I can distract you. What are your thoughts on men’s winter head wear with regards to “casual garb”, in addition to “dinner garb” as the latter phrase might have been used in the early nineties?

        Clearly one would doff the more formal head wear prior to the plate.

        1. I thought we only wore top hats on our heads. Brushed by our orphan child labor, of course.

        2. What are your thoughts on men’s winter head wear with regards to “casual garb”,

          I don’t really do casual. Or = i don’t think most casual attire is worth making any value-judgements about. Aside from the obvious, i mean.

          For example – gaze upon this for a moment, and ponder whether there should be a hard-rule regarding the size/texture of pom-poms allowed on a man’s head…. or whether pom-poms are permissible at all. I’m looking at you, Cam Newton.

          re: the ‘dinner’ question. I don’t know what you mean. Of course you’d remove anything on your head when indoors, much less before dinner. People who wear hats to meals deserve slow disembowelment.

          As far as personal preferences… i’ve always had some version of this in my closet, along with a half dozen watch caps.

          1. A scally cap is a decent option as well, if you don’t want to go full beanie/watch cap; you can get versions with pull-down ear flaps for when it’s really hawkin’.

        3. Balaclavas are great for your everyday activities like shopping and banking.

    1. Ms Shaw puts the family’s longevity down to good genes. But after almost a century on earth, Ms Sommerfeld credits her drink of choice – rum and soda.
      “She drinks them every day,” Ms Marsh confirmed.

    2. 21 years younger than this woman!

      http://bit.ly/2h3HWCd

    3. So… they’re all, uh, robust women, huh?

      1. Everyone in that picture is fat except the baby. Is that what you were asking?

  15. Summary: President Obama pushes Army Corp of Engineers to reject pipeline (despite what the court’s have said), Elon Musk gets richer off of subsidies, delighting rich white liberals, more working class people working in the energy sector lose jobs, professional protesters go back to their homes in San Francisco, and Democrats continue to wonder why they lost.

    1. Human sacrifices must be made to the God of Diversity.

    2. Well, I feel sorry for the girl.

    3. Jesus.

  16. For as good as he can be you can always count on Phillip Rivers to throw a clutch interception.

    1. And to prove the point:

      From ESPN

      Chargers QB Philip Rivers was just intercepted in the end zone by the Buccaneers. He now has 6 INT in the 4th quarter when it’s a 1-score game, the most in the NFL.

    2. Go Bucs!

      1. They are now 6th in the NFC and hold a playoff spot. Did not expect that.

        1. I predicted 6 wins but did not in a million years think they would have a playoff spot. I also didn’t think Carolina would fall off like they have.

        2. I’ll be there in person next week for our company Christmas party tailgate and game tickets. Last time I went to a Bucs game was at the Big Sombrero and they beat Drew Bledsoe and the Patriots so I’m pretty excited.

          1. Stop off at Mons Venus while you’re at it.

            1. That’s for after the game

  17. OK, I’ve been fighting the urge, but i can’t resist any longer:

    You know who else layed pipe?

    1. Olive Oyl?

    2. Ellis S. Chesbrough?

    3. Is “The Post Office Engineering Department, along with the American Telegraph and Telephone Company, Bell Telephone Laboratories and the Canadian Overseas Telecommunications Corporation” who seemed to have achieved the one of the first transatlantic telephone cable/pipelike connections a consideration?

      1. These euphemisms are getting very corporate.

    4. The Mario Brothers?

    5. Archibald Tuttle?

      1. AGW is empowering the Orcas to feed on the Belugas, their Eloi cousins.

    1. We’re freeing all the Willys!

      1. What do Jeeps have to do with this?

        1. Listen to the song Cherokee Nation and all will be clear.

          1. Trump will impose tariffs on Japanese beadmakers? Sure, why not?

  18. Hahahahaha! Stupid Panthers!

    Because of the change of possession on the first play I wonder if that means that Cam doesn’t get credit for a start. If so what does that mean?

    1. Mike Tirico adds nothing to a broadcast.

      1. The “MUTE” button Warren; it’s right there.

    2. No spoilers!
      Dammit man, I’m trying to record that game.

      Ok, go ahead and mock cam some more. I’ll allow that.

    3. My theory on the first play= The Panther’s check to Cecil Newton hadn’t cleared yet.

  19. It is worth noting that the land through which the pipeline was routed is privately owned and the easements were reportedly acquired without the exercise of eminent domain.

    That statement is a half-truth deceptively phrased. The reason the Army Corps of Engineers was able to stop them by denying them an easement because where the pipeline was going next was NOT private property.

    1. Who owned where it was going?

      1. It’s “public” land – you and me own it. No ED was required.
        Stephen is being a bit hyperbolic; the statement was incomplete.

  20. The reservations should just be deeded to the people on them instead of collectively owned. Native Americans have become just another victim group trying to squeeze money out of people that owe them nothing for wrong they didn’t suffer.

    Native Americans look just like white people so if it wasn’t for the reservations providing temples to worship oppression they would have gone out and integrated with the world anonymously instead of wallowing in poverty.

  21. “This decision may address the expressed concerns of the Standind Rock Sioux Tribe about protecting drinking water sources”
    “Concerns” or evidence of possible harm?

    “and sacred sites,”
    Tell ’em A-1 says we don’t care.

  22. Well played PJ Dolan.

  23. Typical Trump Supporter

    Cops arrested a 28-year-old man from North Carolina on Sunday afternoon after he opened fire inside Comet Ping Pong, a Washington D.C. pizza restaurant linked to fake news stories about Hillary Clinton.

    Edgar Maddison Welch, of Salisbury, told police he was investigating whether the so-called “Pizza gate” conspiracy theory was true ? that Clinton and her campaign chief were operating a child sex ring in the back room.

    He stormed the restaurant brandishing an assault rifle along Connecticut Ave NW near Fessenden St. NW around 3 p.m. and pointed the gun at an employee, police said. He then opened fire as the employee bolted for safety.

    1. Quick, get John over there. He’ll explain all the damning circumstantial evidence linking Podesta to you know what.

    2. What the fuck is wrong with people? Did this idiot actually think (assuming there actually WAS a child sex ring, which is highly unlikely), that after it was ‘exposed’ in the alternative media, the people running it wouldn’t MOVE IT?!

      Jeez, whadda maroon.

    3. It’s funny (well, not in a humorous sense), but we actually did have a pizza place that was a front for a child sex ring here in St. Louis. Got busted this summer.

      No ties to the Clintons as far as I know.

      1. as far as I know.

        thats just what they want you to believe

    1. Sorry, November 8. Should be year round, anyway.

      1. ?, Megumi, means “blessed with”. If that’s her real name, her baby pics must be interesting.

          1. Makes sense. Who’s gonna name a baby “Jugs”?

            1. This guy.

              That was taken after he told her he filled out the birth certificate.

      2. I immediately thought of you when I saw this, HM. Then I laughed and thought, “don’t ever change, Japan”.

        1. The new, new Ekino has also adopted a more sensible and helpful posture.

          And yet, she’s still probably a futa.

          1. Yeah, I’m assuming there are tentacles and/or teeth under that skirt.

        2. Her dress was also redesigned – to the point where it has become virtually transparent. Ekino’s thighs are visible through the sheer material and it appears that her underwear can be seen.

          (looks at picture)

          It actually took me like 3 minutes to even see what the fuck they were referring to. “Oh, the shadow”.

          When they showed the ‘fixed’ version, it still seemed ridiculous. The only genuinely goofy thing is that she’s giggling like a teenager. She’s supposed to be a public servant? I’d think the patriarchy-part was making her into a dumb girl. For god’s sake, why not just use an anthropomorphic blob like any other civilized nation?….

          …ok, wait… now that thing really looks like a schlong to me. I blame the japanese!

  24. OT, linky stuff: Jeep Carrying Castro’s Ashes Breaks Down During Funeral Procession. Too damned funny for words, the picture is good enough. Karma!

    1. That doesn’t look like a Jeep(tm) to me. I’d wonder if it wasn’t a ‘new, improved’, Soviet-made fake.

      1. Here’s a front, quarter view; that thing came from east of the 10th parallel.
        https://punditfromanotherplanet.com
        And for the same reason that Reason.com gets ZERO dollars from Sevo this year, you’ll have to search.
        Matt, get a goddam professional web hosting service or get ZERO dollars. I’m tired of your nephew ‘interning’ as the Reason IT staff.

      2. Yes, it’s a Soviet “antique”

        1. It could well be a Russian 2016 model and still break down.
          Like the claim that Chinese products are garbage, there is no reason to presume Russians can’t do well under the proper incentives, but I’ll bet you check closely before you buy from this list:
          http://listofrussiancars.com/

          Wanna see a Russki who does good work?
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzHZfujKbHA

          Sorry I don’t have links to my FiL’s work; like the mentor I mentioned last night, I learned more from Boris than he thought he was teaching me.

      3. It’s a modified UAZ-469. The “face” is too characteristic.

    2. I saw a tweet quote linking to that along the lines of “econ professors everywhere rejoice over new visual aid”

    3. Should hook a cable to Trudeau’s balls and make him pull it the rest of the way.

  25. So any dirt on why the NZ PM suddenly announced he’s outta here?

  26. Wasn’t eminent domain going to be used in a portion of the pipeline in Iowa? If so, it shouldn’t be built. My problem is that the people protesting don’t give a shit about eminent domain. The tribe didn’t give a shit about the pipeline until recently, which makes me believe this was a shakedown attempt. As loathsome as I find the government, the protestors are every bit as disgusting, these people care about attacking the market economy, nothing more.

    1. PW, I believe you have it!
      To be more specific, I don’t think the protesters are sufficiently knowledgeable to object to the market economy. It seems to me that these are largely animists and romanticists harking to Jean Jacques Rousseau.
      IOWs, not very bright people.

  27. “The consideration of alternative routes “would be best accomplished through an Environmental Impact Statement with full public input and analysis,” Ms Darcy said in a statement.”

    The interesting libertarian angle on this story may be the question of “why wasn’t an EIR required in the first place.?”

    It often happens that government agencies aren’t required to follow their own rules. If a private developer had wanted to build a pipeline, he would have needed to do an EIR and get it approved by the Army Corps, the local Indian tribes, the general public, et. al.

    Q: Why didn’t the Army Corps have to do an EIR in the first place?

    A: Because they’re the government.

    I know it’s a libertarian conundrum, the question of whether equality under the law means that we should all have our rights violated equally, but it’s a discussion that needs to be had over and over again. Why do so many people only notice when the regulations start costing the government money?

  28. Pussies. Get the SEALs in there. Those motherfuckers won’t halt shit. Except bodies with bullets in their eyes.

  29. A bunch of crazy white guys occupying a bird watching station = “KILL THEM ALL !!!”

    Vrs.

    A bunch of ecohippies blocking a pipeline that is being built on private property = “OMG HEROS !!!”

    Fuck these people.

  30. “National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) President and CEO Jay Timmons just released this statement in response to the Army Corps decision: “This decision defies logic, science and sound policy-decision making, and the consequences can be measured in lost work for manufacturers and those in the manufacturing supply chain.”

    The same might be said of every EIR that’s ever been done. Why should the government be exempt from the same regulations that destroy the sanity and livelihood of everyone else but the government?

    In California, these reports typically take 18-24 months to complete–if nothing goes wrong. For private developers, the cost of lost time is much worse than the expense of the reports themselves–but the reports will cost millions.

    These reports are onerous, risky, and, no matter what they say, the reports are intended to discourage development.

    1. I know it’s preaching to the choir, but those broken windows don’t fix themselves. I continue to be amazed at the number of people who think that those sorts of ‘jobs’ are a positive use of wealth.

      1. Yeah, there are billions worth of private economic development in this country that could happen but doesn’t because the uncertainty, financial cost, and time cost associated with getting the permits can’t be justified.

        I.e., by making projects take longer to get approved, the government prevents them from ever happening.

        There are plenty of projects where the deal pencils if it takes 24 months to get approvals–but not if it takes 30 months. The longer it takes to get an asset performing, the less sense it makes to build it.

        Probably the biggest problem in selling deregulation and capitalism to people is getting them to understand and appreciate all the investments that are never made because of regulation and government interference. You just can’t show people projects that were never built.

        It’s one thing if the project isn’t justified because of the cost and time it takes to build. Quite another when the time it takes for approvals takes twice as long as the time it takes to build an industrial and office park plus the time it takes to lease it up or sell it.

        The IRR function is sensitive to time. There’s the time value of money. The officials I’ve worked with don’t have any conception of how much delays cost us. You try to build in a six month+ delay on your models, and you always want to under promise and over deliver to your equity investors–if six months is the difference between feasible and unfeasible, you’d rather find a different project.

    2. From what I understand, they already did one, but the protestors requested another one, claiming the previous one was rushed or incomplete.

      1. They could be right about that.

      2. My brother lived near a city shooting range in Las Vegas. They built it back when the city was flush with cash because Vegas was booming.

        Anyway, once they started construction, put a sign up showing what they were building, etc. the neighbors got together at a planning commission meeting and asked them for the acoustics report.

        The city hadn’t done an acoustics report!

        The planning commission would never approve a private project like that without an acoustics report, but when the Parks and Recreation Department at the city builds something like that, they don’t have to submit it to the planning commission for approval. They don’t follow the same procedures private developers have to go through.

        In California, under CEQA, you have to pay for an acoustics consultant to report back to the city on how the approved activity will affect the area–from construction noise to traffic noise if there are trucks down there, etc. If you’re using heavy machinery that makes a lot of noise, you have to get that approved.

      3. Fuck that regulation, though. A private developer wouldn’t even close on the site without talking to an acoustics expert on a use like that. You do that doing due diligence! You call up an acoustics expert, you give him the site, he goes out there and looks at it, looks at the maps, and he tells you whether your use is going to get you sued by the neighbors for destroying the quiet enjoyment of their homes. If you hire him, he’ll write you up a report for the city.

        Only the government would go in and build something like that without a single fuck given as to whether the use in question is feasible at that site–and yet planning the use of various sites is precisely the whole purpose of the planning commission.

  31. Eat meat.
    Drop Acid.
    Pave the Earth.

  32. Pipelines are less damaging to the environment than oil tankers.
    Case fucking closed.

    1. “Sacred sites” are religious bullshit.
      Case fucking closed.

      1. Sevo we do agree on the religious issue.
        Though it is fun to troll you on it. =D

      2. Hey Sevo.
        As a species we gained enlightenment when we started to bury our dead.
        We became human when we gained knowledge of our own mortality.
        Religion was the sperm that impregnated the egg of time, of Human history.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcrEM4MJGQI

        1. “Hey Sevo.
          As a species we gained enlightenment when we started to bury our dead.
          We became human when we gained knowledge of our own mortality.
          Religion was the sperm that impregnated the egg of time, of Human history.”

          Uh, not sure whose gonna click on that link given the bogus intro. Not me.
          And, no I’m not gonna waste time correcting the claims; they are propaganda.

    2. I still have an issue with Eminent domain from a Libertarian perspective.

      1. Me, too.
        None involved here; see Tony being busted on that ‘way up-thread.

        1. Sevo at this point he is not even worth fucking with. =D

  33. if an american Indian states
    get off my land
    get off their goddamn land
    run your FUCKING pipes around
    their gardens
    you shitting dummie. old field fucktards

    HOPEFULLY Trump makes the horrible
    acre armies go back
    and send the pipe around and so way around
    our indians….
    offshore the pipe
    if not- then bring on the old world assasisns

    1. Dead birds soaked in oil.
      Expensive Prawns.
      Dead Ocean.
      Hated land slugs.

  34. Did I ever tell you guys about the time that we had to test hundreds of mud puddles for the presence of endangered fairy shrimp? The site was a good 40 miles from the ocean, but the puddles were considered part of the “navigable waters of the United States”. Most of them measured a few inches across and a couple inches deep.

    Description: Male San Diego fairy shrimp can be distinguished from males of other Branchinecta species by the shape of the second antenna.

    Habitat: Small, shallow vernal pools, which range in depth from 2-12 in (5-30 cm)

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/en…..iry-shrimp

    Did you know that there are endangered species that are so small they can’t be seen by the naked eye? And it’s not that migrating birds, or something, feed on these fairy shrimp. Hell, other species of fairy shrimp are prolific! It’s just that these certain species of fairy shrimp are endangered–and you have to prove that you don’t have any of those endangered species on your site before agencies like the Army Corp will sign off on your EIR.

  35. Oh, and to show you don’t have them, you have to do both a dry season test and a wet season test. In the dry season, they form cysts, and you have to hatch them in order to identify them. If it doesn’t rain enough later that year? You have to wait for the wet season next year and hope it rains more to get a qualifying test.

    That means you’re paying property taxes, insurance, and interest on your land loan. If all goes well, you still have to wait a minimum of nine months between tests. You’re paying a preferred return to your equity investors for that. If your deal is IRR driven, you’re getting a lower split because of that. You can build 180,000 sf of office and industrial space in 9 months. It takes you another 9 months to lease it up or sell it. And you’ve got to wait nine months just to see if you’ve got a protected shrimp?

    . . . an endangered shrimp that’s so small, it can’t even be seen by the naked eye?

  36. There are billions of dollars worth of private economic development in this country that doesn’t happen because the uncertainty, cost, and time it takes to get the permits can’t be justified given a market return and the time value of money. I.e., by making things take longer to get approved, you prevent them from happening.

    There are plenty of development projects where the deal pencils if it takes 24 months to get approvals–but not if it takes 30 months. The longer it takes to get an asset performing, the less sense it makes to build it.

    Probably the biggest problem in selling deregulation and capitalism to people is getting them to understand and appreciate all the investments that are never made because of regulation and government interference.

    1. “There are billions of dollars worth of private economic development in this country that doesn’t happen because the uncertainty, cost, and time it takes to get the permits can’t be justified given a market return and the time value of money. I.e., by making things take longer to get approved, you prevent them from happening.”

      Justice delayed is justice denied.
      I live in SF, and boy – howdy, am I ever glad we got our home reconstruction done long before the current requirements.
      Hey, we have a FIREPLACE!

      1. I’m glad you got yours. People shouldn’t have to grovel for fireplaces!

        And it gets so freaking cold in San Francisco.

        I rode across the bridge on my bike a few years back in July. I was coming down from the Shakespeare festival in Oregon, and I decided to cut across the 20 and head down the 1 from Fort Bragg. It was July.

        I have never been so cold in all of my life as I was between Fort Bragg and San Francisco. I thought I was gonna get hypothermia. I was wearing long johns, a t-shirt, a thick flannel shirt, I bought a thick hoodie, and then stuffed my motorcycle jacket on top of that–and I was still chattering my teeth all the way down the highway.

        Did I mention it was July?

        Not letting people have a fireplace under those conditions is cruel and unusual punishment.

        1. Ken, you’ll get some sympathy regarding that ride, but only some.
          I had a Triumph (pre-unit Bonny) 650 in Cincinnati; I rode it to work all winter in ’62. And I didn’t have a “Barbour Suit” (am I the only geezer old enough to know what that is? I guess not:) http://www.barbour.com/feature…..ernational

        2. TIL there are two Fort Braggs – the giant Army base in NC and the town in CA. I was very confused for a minute, though I believe you could indeed get very cold on the ~ 3,000 mi trip between Bragg & SF.

  37. file under: totem and taboo

    Metal band loses Chicago gig over ‘excessive use of guns and violent imagery’

    “We have been receiving phone calls from people in the neighborhood asking why the show is being allowed to happen,” the email says. “Specifically they are [citing] the band’s excessive use of guns and violent imagery.”

    The email adds, “We are ending 2016 with the highest rate of gun violence in Chicago’s history and people are particularly sensitive. Defending the show, in the current environment, is becoming more and more difficult.”

    1. Related:

      Young girl kills rat with antlers; gun-grabbers scream:
      “Dad defends 7-year-old daughter’s viral video of her first deer kill”
      [from the comments]
      “As for have a toddler pull the trigger of not just a rifle, but a California assault rifle, well, the picture speaks for itself..
      http://www.sfgate.com/lifestyl…..690919.php

      I’d say it says more about you…

      1. You screwed up the link, but does someone really call a 7 year old a “toddler”?

    2. Gunn also says that to him the Bataclan massacre in Paris is an excessive use of guns.

      I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that it was actually the author of the article who probably took some ‘not-retarded statement’ …and morphed it into that sentence.

      and of course, there are conservotards in the comments making the dumbest possible statements – no defense of free-speech or gun rights!, no = its

      “IvanaNotyers
      47 minutes ago

      But “Rap” Muzak which is primarily hateful racist verbal vomit, ranting about killing cops, etc, is A-O-K…..

      1. and

        Jwhute
        53 minutes ago

        I find this article incredible. How about looking for a resolution rather then worrying about a heavy metal band. Let’s take 500 troops out of Iraq and bring them into Chicago to restore the peace. And the authority there can be firm but understanding of the lives of people living in poverty.

        1. Posse Comitatus, Posse Schmomitatus!

        2. Let’s take 500 troops out of Iraq and bring them into Chicago to restore the peace

          There’s 24,000 people working for the Chicago PD. What could 500 soldiers possibly do?

        3. Or we could just build a wall seperating the north and south sides of Chicago. This is Trump’s ‘murica now.

  38. file under: put out my flames with gasoline

    Venezuela raising largest bank note from 100 bolivars to 20,000 amid inflation

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Wo…..=sec&or=tn

    1. But *this* time, socialism is sure to work!

    2. Maybe Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Oliver Stone, and Samuel L. Jackson can go down there and fix things.

  39. Was there any new evidence or update on what happened with Sophia Wilansky (whose arm was severely injured)?

    So far, from what I gathered:
    One source (bearingarms.com, linking to the Sheriff’s department FB post) claims it was one of the protester’s IEDs.
    Two protesters/trespassers (one is her father, the other said he was standing next to her) claim it was a concussion grenade from the police.

    1. Police keep records. If anyone had been issued any kind of explosive/crowd-control flashbang type thing (*to my knowledge, such a thing doesn’t exist – tear gas is preferred; flashbangs are only effective indoors) … the relevant departments would have fessed up by now and been trying to settle with these people.

      they haven’t.

      The NYT story points out some other details which make it less convincing that police were chucking bang-bangs

      Mr. Wilansky, who spoke by telephone and checked details with his daughter as he did, said the explosion had taken place around 4 a.m. Monday, when most of the protesters were gathered around a bonfire near the foot of the bridge.

      4AM? when the protesters were keeping to themselves? in the dark? Doesn’t sound like when police would suddenly decide to “arbitrarily attack”

      His daughter and a handful of others were farther up on the bridge, he said, “playing around,” using pieces of plastic and wood as sleds to skid across icy sections of the highway, when an officer began firing foam or plastic bullets at her and another person.

      the “just playing around” (at 4am) sounds like a tad-too-much innocence. it would be more plausible if she at least copped to some *reason* for police to start shooting.

      the police story? the protesters were planting propane tanks.

      1. 4AM? when the protesters were keeping to themselves? in the dark? Doesn’t sound like when police would suddenly decide to “arbitrarily attack”

        Surely you haven’t read enough nut-punches here.

  40. The developer should sue the government, and possibly sue the tribe if they were ever caught sabotaging their projects or physically assaulting their workers.

    I imagine there was a process to determine whether the pipeline posed a threat to the environment or encroached upon historical sites. The government apparently found that whatever route this construction company sought was perfectly kosher. That’s it. END OF STORY. The leftists and the tribe protesting at the site are literally making things up – like the pipelines polluting drinking water and sacred land that doesn’t meaningfully exist in any history books.

    Let’s say it again, because it does feel good to say it – “That’s why Trump won”. Because the voters are tired of elites just making up rules and crisis to protect certain classes. Some colleges are vowing to “protect” undocumented students from the coming Thrid Reich, but they have no issues with throwing out students for merely being accused of rape or posting “All Lives Matters” on Facebook.

    Obama could not leaving at a better time. This sort of stunt might have seriously damaged the relationship between the government and construction / energy industry. Obama is a putrid demagogue and I do appreciate Trump for pissing all over his misbegotten legacy. Get out, you nimrod.

    1. Obama did this because he could. He knows that Trump will reverse it (and rightfully so) in a few weeks, and will get blamed for it. If Hillary had won this wouldn’t have happened.

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