Donald Trump Claims Millions Voted Illegally, Clinton Campaign Joins Green Party Recount Efforts, Castro Dead: A.M. Links

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  In his latest tweet storm, Donald Trump claimed "millions" of people voted illegally and called the recount effort by Jill Stein a "scam". The Hillary Clinton campaign said it would join that effort to initiate recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The New York Times took a look at potential Trump conflicts of interest around the globe. Trump campaign manager Kelly Anne Conway criticized the idea of Mitt Romney for secretary of state.

• Police in Manila say they detonated an improvised bomb outside the U.S. embassy.
• One person was killed and nine were injured in a shooting spree in the French Quarter in New Orleans.
• The Boston police department is set to buy social media monitoring software.
• Francois Fillon won the conservative party's presidential primary in France.
• Fidel Castro died on Black Friday.
• It's Cyber Monday.

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's Cyber Monday.

So let's cyber!

[Swiss Servator]

PASS.

[But Enough About Me]

Gonna cyber all day long.

[LibertarianJRT]

Wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more

[gaoxiaen]

I can just imagine what "cyb" means.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hello.

"...The New York Times took a look..."

Suddenly, the NYT will be 'journalists' again.

[But Enough About Me]

Mornin', Rufe.

[Free Society]

I wonder, did the NYT take any credit for it's major role in putting Castro in power?

[straffinrun]

No, they're still pissed that didn't get them another Pulitzer like Durant's wonderful reporting did.

[Rich]

Cyber *warfare*!

[RBS]

/has flashback to 1994.

[Rhywun]

Cyber this.

[Krabappel]

It makes no sense to me that this is the only context that anyone still uses the name "cyber". Can someone please rebrand this retail holiday?

[Swiss Servator]

Desperate Merchant Monday?

[Rhywun]

+10000 maniacs

[Krabappel]

I laughed. That might be self-righteous school-marm Tuesday, though.

[gaoxiaen]

Well, people celebrate Christmas in Taiwan, a mostly Buddhist country. Just another marketing opportunity.

[Cdr Lytton]

Cyber security has unfortunately made a resurgence.

[Rhywun]

It's like you don't even cyberpunk anymore.

[You ARE a Prog (MJG)]

Cyber me, Xerxes!

[Bee Tagger]

Donald Trump claimed "millions" of people voted illegally and called the recount effort by Jill Stein a "scam".

538 gives him a 30% chance of being right.

[Echo Chamber]

Jill waited until the last possible moment to file the recount request in order to provide the least amount of time possible to do the recount before the EC deadline. The goal is to exclude the electoral votes from those states and create chaos, not to flip them from Trump to Clinton.
Several reports say that the WI recount only begins after she pays for it, so expect to see that check arrive at the last possible moment too.

[Bee Tagger]

Sounds good to me. I've been #TeamEntropy this whole time.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

I've been #TeamEntropy this whole time.

Thank you for your support.

[Swiss Servator]

*polite applause*

[Tonio]

I'm not buying that. Why spend money to interfere unless she hopes to win herself (lol), or to flip the EC results to a more favorable outcome for her followers. I suspect that she's doing this as a surrogate for the Clinton campaign so that they can get their desired recount and have someone else take the heat for being a sore loser. Also that this was the price for Stein and her people not being purged.

[Echo Chamber]

She's not spending her money, and futile acts of protest are in her wheelhouse.
Odds of flipping all 3 states to Clinton are low, but odds of using protest tactics to slow-play the recount process and keep Trump below 270 too are much much higher. Time to get more popcorn.

[DJF]

Its not her money.

And this will have people giving money to her.

[Tonio]

Yes, and we can well speculate on exactly who will be bankrolling this.

[Rhywun]

Castro's will?

[Citizen X]

The Clinton Foundation's not-yet-satisfied customers?

[NoVaNick]

Whatever the case, it is curious how Hillary went from 200-300,000 vote advantage in the popular vote immediately following the election to more than 2 million. Wonder if the plan is to keep recounting until her highness gets to 270 (see WA governor's election 2004 and Al Franken 2008)...

[T.F.G.]

They haven't been recounting. They're just tallying up the remaining votes in states where it really doesn't matter.

[NoVaNick]

Guess they were too distraught to finish counting them on Nov. 9th.

[Echo Chamber]

The recount process in MN for Al Franken dragged out until July

[Tonio]

That would be unacceptable. AFAIK there is no constitutional mechanism to fill the vacancy. Biden's term ends along with Obama's.

[Echo Chamber]

I assume that if neither gets to 270 then the usual constitutional rules for that situation apply.

[Tonio]

OK, so any state in the midst of a recount wouldn't get to participate in the EC vote, which would mean the House of Representatives would decide.

[Brett L]

So Trump wins 240-191 with 7 Republicans defecting for Johnson? Is that better or worse than 310-228?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Without 270, Trump doesn't win. The new House of Representatives would have to vote (each state getting one vote).

[Robert]

It goes by "a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed". So any states that haven't appointed electors don't count toward the number of votes required.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I DON'T TRUST YOU.

[rudehost]

"I'm not buying that. Why spend money to interfere unless she hopes to win herself (lol), or to flip the EC results to a more favorable outcome for her followers. "

I think it is pretty obvious. This is marketing/pr for her and the green party directed at the snowflakes. Double bonus is the snowflakes are paying for it with their donations. I am pretty sure if Coca Cola was told that their customers were willing to fund a multi-million dollar ad campaign on gofundme the account would be open tomorrow. Shrewd move but dishonest of course but then again she is a communist. They aren't exactly known for their honesty.

[thom]

Makes you wonder what Stein is getting in return.

[Bra Ket]

at the very least she gets attention a little longer.

[Rat voted NOTA]

Donations in excess of what is needed for the recount go to the Green Party.

[gaoxiaen]

Tactics or strategy?

[I'll have the fish]

Does a recount mean a particular state's previously certified vote results become null & void? That's the part I don't get.

[LibertarianJRT]

Meel-yonz! Meel-yonz I tells you. Big league tremendously yuge numbers of illegals.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Fidel Castro died on Black Friday.

Awww, and he was just a few more political prisoners away from making Cuba great again.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

So you don't think well-kept decades-old automobiles and decrepit housing are enough to make a country great?

[John DeWitt]

We'll find out soon enough...

[gaoxiaen]

Cuban mechanics are already great. It's a pain in the ass to keep old (non-Chevy) American cars running in the US of A.

[gaoxiaen]

Get visas ready for them. A highly-skilled occupation.

[500 dollar gold!]

Lololololol no, they don't do anything I haven't seen fat hillbillies do under a shade tree.

[Tonio]

Yeah, and leftists are all butt-hurt that Trump tweeted: "Fidel Castro is dead!" Apparently the correct response for right-thinking people is to ignore the firing squads and property confiscations.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Well, Tonio, see it's all 'grey' and 'nuance' with Fidel. You have to understand, assessing Castro takes an open mind.

[UnCivilServant]

So why are closed-minded proggies doing it?

[Krabappel]

Right, we have to add context to Fidel Castro but Trump is literally hitler and a white supremacist.

[RBS]

Hey, Castro provided free heathcare, improved literacy and fought imperialism abroad! Colin Kaepernick said so.

[Rich]

+3: free heathcare, improved literacy and fought imperialism

-3: breakfast, lunch and dinner

[gaoxiaen]

I got octopus coming out my ears!

[Rufus The Monocled]

Jesus, please tell me that idiot didn't go there.

[commodious got a stew going]

"One thing Fidel Castro did do is they have the highest literacy rate because they invest more in their education system than they do in their prison system, which we do not do here even though we're fully capable of doing that," Kaepernick said.

What is up with this horseshit literacy meme? a) Does anyone believe any metric a slave state produces, and b) so fucking what?

[commodious got a stew going]

Oh, and c) high literacy isn't altogether surprising given that despotism requires a compliant citizenry, and mandatory childhood indoctrination facilitates that. And these barking seals are lauding that fact.

[Eternal Blue Sky]

"because they invest more in their education system than they do in their prison system,"

Assuming this is true, it just means Castro's minions in nominally responsible for educating people were more favored by him than the ones nominally responsible for keeping people locked up.

Also there's the obvious "you don't need to spend that much on prison when most people end up shot in a ditch".

[Brett L]

Anyone who can read is a person, anyone who can't is mentally defective. 100% literacy. Its like 0% infant mortality. Any infant who dies in the first two weeks is retroactively stillborn, and then doesn't count. Jesus. Its like you guys don't even know how statistics work.

[commodious got a stew going]

That's another thing I find enraging about the clowns carping on about a select couple metrics coming out of Cuba: they genuinely believe these stats are comparable across borders and that Cuba isn't doctoring them like the Soviets did and the Chinese do. Fucking clowns!

[SRVolunteer]

Taxpayer cost of incarceration in the US: Approx. $39 billion/year

Taxpayer cost of elementary and secondary education in the US: $550 billion/year

It's best to doubt everything they say...

[SRVolunteer]

Other sources give a figure for incarceration that doubles that to $80 billion. Still less than $550 billion.

[LibertarianJRT]

He said what? Is there no saving this guy? What are they teaching at Ohio?

[EDG reppin LBC]

Kaepernik played at Nevada.

[John DeWitt]

He was born in Wisconsin, raised in California.

[Voros McCracken]

Got a condo made of stone-ah?

[gaoxiaen]

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming?

[Propaganda Czar]

The true colors really come out whenever Cuba is mentioned. Imprisoning, torturing and killing political dissenters... hey that's ok with us because intentions!

This should be a wake up call that many do not value human life when those humans get in the way of "progress." I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see so many psycopaths holding top political positions, but it is hard to fathom.

[gaoxiaen]

+1 War on Drugs

[straffinrun]

I propose a new B.C.E. Bonecrushing Commie Existed.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

261) California mosques receive threatening letters

"?our state's leaders should speak out against the growing anti-Muslim bigotry that leads to such incidents"

Maybe California leaders could start by asking their followers to knock it off with the obvious false flag operations like this one?

[Rich]

ELECTORAL VOTERS 'DELUGED' WITH DEATH THREATS

It's threatening letters all the way down!

[Rufus The Monocled]

In the pass, I would have dismissed outright WND. But seeing the performance of the MSM in the last few years, it can't hurt and why not?

No difference between the fricken NYT and WND at this point.

[Rich]

The Onion had it *years* ago.

[gaoxiaen]

Link or GTFO.

[Suthenboy]

Funny how this shit always happens in deep blue proggie strongholds.

[John DeWitt]

Well, that's precisely where I'd expect bigotry to exist.

[Lord Humungus]

GregGutfeld Verified account
?What we've learned is you can never judge a country by its horrid leader. But enough about Trudeau - so I hear Castro croaked.

[LibertarianJRT]

Nice.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The Hillary Clinton campaign said it would join that effort to initiate recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

I do love ironies.

[some guy]

Isn't this a hypocrisy?

[Tyler.C]

Yes. Irony is a slippery thing.

[LibertarianJRT]

What a joke she has become.

[Bee Tagger]

The New York Times took a look at potential Trump conflicts of interest around the globe.

One of the first public officials to ever have conflicts of interest.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'm supposed to trust with building a wall a man too dumb to create himself a charitable foundation front?

[Propaganda Czar]

I'm anxiously awaiting the expose' on conflicts of interest in congress.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Francois Fillon won the conservative party's presidential primary in France.

He was great in the Frog version of Firefly.

[Swiss Servator]

*narrows gaze*

[Swiss Servator]

"I aim to be filled with ennui"

[Fist of Etiquette]

GAZE RETURNED

[gaoxiaen]

+1 abyss

[Rich]

Ennui, by Walter Sickert

[commodious got a stew going]

Eh.

[Rich]

😎 8-|

[commodious got a stew going]

-_-

[Lord Humungus]

Iran Loses Nuclear Device, Sparks GCC Worry

According to the newspaper, the device went missing after the car transporting it was stolen. Thankfully, the vehicle was recovered, but the radioactive nuclear device was not so lucky.

The GCC has contacted the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over the incident?both organizations are concerned that Iran's nuclear program may pollute the waters in the Gulf, Asharq al-Awsat quoted GCC Emergency Management Center chairman, Adnan al-Tamimi, as saying.

Most members of the GCC ? which includes Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, and Oman ? desalinate sea water from the Gulf. If contamination from the device were to reach desalination stations, an already critical situation becomes even more critical.

The missing device is set to lose half of its power after 74 days of inactivity, Tamimi said, noting that it still should be handled with care even after that period.

[Juvenile Bluster]

"Loses"

[gaoxiaen]

You misspelled Mossad.

[sesuncedu]

+1 repo man

[Real and Legitimate News, Jr.]

Police in Manila say they detonated an improvised bomb outside the U.S. embassy.

They drowned it first, bashed it with a baseball bat, then stabbed it with bayonets per the president's directives.

[Swiss Servator]

That bomb was a DRUG DEALER!!!!!

[straffinrun]

Should've Flipped him.

[gaoxiaen]

Just so Duterte gets someone killed, it's all good.

[loveconstitution1789]

Pillipinos are so crazy!

Just let the Japanese off their leash in the Pacific again and see how quick the Pillipinos realize that making an enemy of the USA is a bad idea for their protection.

[Dick N. Bimbose (n?e Cooper)]

But was it funny?

[Lord Humungus]

Farewell to Cuba's brutal Big Brother

ven worse, whenever Castro traveled abroad, many swooned in his presence. In 1995, when he came to New York to speak at the United Nations, many of the leading lights of that city jostled so intently for a chance to meet with him at media mogul Mort Zuckerman's triplex penthouse on Fifth Avenue that Time magazine declared "Fidel Takes Manhattan!" Not to be outdone, Newsweek called Castro "The Hottest Ticket in Manhattan." None of the American elites who hobnobbed with Castro that day seemed to care that he had put nuclear weapons to their heads in 1962.

If this were a just world, 13 facts would be etched on Castro's tombstone and highlighted in every obituary, as bullet points ? a fitting metaphor for someone who used firing squads to murder thousands of his own people.

?He turned Cuba into a colony of the Soviet Union and nearly caused a nuclear holocaust.

?He sponsored terrorism wherever he could and allied himself with many of the worst dictators on earth.

etc...

[Just a thought not a sermon]

"He outlawed private enterprise and labor unions, wiped out Cuba's large middle class and turned Cubans into slaves of the state."

[gaoxiaen]

Outsource monocle polishing. It's cheaper than feeding my orphans.

[John]

It is more than a bit ironic to hear the same people who constantly bitch about "imperialist foreign wars" praise Castro. As many of his victims were Cuban, even more were Latin American and Africans who dies as a result of the numerous proxy wars he started and funded. It is for those assholes forever "okay when we do it".

[SRVolunteer]

Cuba (and the Soviets) supported the Derg in Ethiopa, which is the major reason why so many 'enemies of the people' died in those Ethiopian famines in the 80s. You know, the ones the Lefties were all singing about back then.

[Free Society]

He didn't just point weapons at America, he wrote longingly of his desire to exterminate Americans. And still the leftist sycophants worshiped him and put him in power by circulating his propaganda and singing his praises.

[Suthenboy]

They are fellow travelers.

[Free Society]

Their fellowship needs to travel off a cliff.

[gaoxiaen]

It depends. Are they singing Kumbaya or the Internationale?

[Rhywun]

The WaPo printed this?! (Not going there to verify)

[Bee Tagger]

The Boston police department is set to buy social media monitoring software

It's at least comforting to know that they're desire to monitor everything will most likely always be about 15 steps slow.

[UnCivilServant]

Police in Manila say they detonated an improvised bomb outside the U.S. embassy.

Why? Were they trying to blow up the embassy and couldn't get a professional bomb?

[Tonio]

[golf clap]

[Rich]

One person was killed and nine were injured in a shooting spree in the French Quarter in New Orleans.

"Ain't no killin' like Cajun killin'!"

[Bra Ket]

Kind of doubt cajuns were the particular demographic group involved in this one.

[gaoxiaen]

NEEDZ MOAR CRAWDADS. OR (young) KIM BASSINGER!

[Lee Genes]

Here are just a few behaviors that encourage destructive behaviors by promoting toxic capitalist values.

1. Praising Kids Conditionally

When we're growing up, authority figures shower us with praise for good grades and excellence in extracurriculars. But we're rarely told we're valuable or special or loved even if all that goes away.

The way to get gold stars from teachers is to ace tests. The way to get high fives or special meals from our parents may be to win sports games or awards.

In short, we learn that the way to make adults like us and love us is to achieve.

Oh noes....

[UnCivilServant]

"Toxic Capitalist Values" oh so the wirter was a loser who couldn't hack it and wants to complain their way out of introspection.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

I'm guessing Suzanne Weiss just got back from a Thanksgiving weekend where she discovered her parents weren't actually all that thrilled with her degrees in Gender and Sexuality Studies, Modern Culture and Media, and Cognitive Neuroscience from Brown University.

[some guy]

Does she really have a degree in cognitive neuroscience? Because I'd think that someone with a degree in cognitive neuroscience would be familiar with the benefits of positive reinforcement.

[Lee Genes]

Bachelor of Science and Bachelor of Arts, Cognitive Neuroscience, Modern Culture and Media, Gender and Sexuality Studies

From Brown

Something tells me that isn't particularly rigorous as far as biochemistry and neurology is concerned.

[Princess Trigger]

She should have read them her peer-reviewed paper 'Toxic Masuclinity in Pokemon and Other Rape Games'.
That would have garnered some praise from her heartless father.

[commodious got a stew going]

her parents weren't actually all that thrilled with her degrees

Less still with her plea to move back in.

[Rich]

Praising Kids Conditionally

Oh, FFS!

[The Grinch]

So Johnny, you flunked 3rd grade English and shaved the dog. Way to go kid!

[Citizen X]

"Flunked 3rd grade English and shaved the dog" is the euphemism to beat this week, folks.

[Lee Genes]

But I am the logical conclusion of capitalism. This is exactly what capitalism looks like.

In one sense she is correct. Capitalism generates such wealth that society can tolerate such idiocy. No truly poor person is lamenting personal achievement and success.

[Tyler.C]

I sometimes wonder if the people who write this understand what it means to be truly poor? I think most of them are examples of everything they hate. The whole SJW movement is an exercise in self-loathing.

[Rhywun]

I thought "participation awards" is what gave us losers like this in the first place.

[gaoxiaen]

Or star in porn videos.

[Juvenile Bluster]

I stayed off the internet yesterday except for Reason and sports. Got too tired of idiots lauding the life of wonderful human being Fidel Castro.

[Rich]

Fidel Castro died on Black Friday.

Coincidence? I think *not*!

[Swiss Servator]

He was trampled to death by a mob of customers seeking cheap HD TVs?

[UnCivilServant]

No clearly, all those toxic capitalist values were too much for the old socialist's system

[Rich]

Raoul had to admit *sometime* to Fidel's earlier death, and was clueless as to the appearance.

[Lord Humungus]

When SugarFree's writings become reality:

Scientists create an 8ins remote control bionic penis out of metal that grows when it gets heated to help men suffering from severe erectile dysfunction

Scientists have created a heat-activated metal penis to help men with erectile dysfunction.

Developed by experts at the University of Wisconsin in America, the remote-controlled device lengthens to eight inches when heated to 42C.

Surgically inserted in the base of the penis through an incision, the one inch metal coil can be turned on by a remote held over the groin, generating a metal field which triggers a current.

The coil then warms the implant, making it expand and fully erect.

[Rich]

Good Lord.

[straffinrun]

I want the Tesla version of that.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Goes really fast for a really short time?

Has lots of government support to keep it working?

[Tyler.C]

I think he meant tesla coil

[SugarFree]

What happens if it gets overheated? And what temp is the ejaculate? And can the metal wire resist the jaws of the angriest vaginas? What if the wire gets bent?

[You ARE a Prog (MJG)]

What if the wire gets bent?

Not on your life, my pervert friend!

[Tonio]

"generating a metal field"

One trusts they meant "magnetic" field.

Sug, this would only seem to be a stiffener; not a replacement for the plumbing.

[But Enough About Me]

There is absolutely zero chance I'd ever allow that to be implanted in my rhythm stick.

[Zero Sum Game]

ED Bake Oven

[Glide]

And let any old asshole with a supermagnet rip my dick off?

Not happening.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Is that where you keep your supermagnet?

[Scotticus Finch]

I want this solely for the inevitable TSA lulz.

[gaoxiaen]

I need something to cool mine off. Valium doesn't work.

[Rufus The Monocled]

"Fidel Castro died on Black Friday."

Of course he did.

[Real and Legitimate News, Jr.]

One person was killed and nine were injured in a shooting spree in the French Quarter in New Orleans.

Festive colors, binge drinking, and exposed breasts are wanted for questioning.

[Lord Humungus]

For Almania, ye who we rarely see:

Council bosses tackle antisocial behaviour with bagpipe music to deter rough sleepers

BAGPIPE music is being played through the night at Bournemouth's Travel Interchange to stop homeless people sleeping there.

Council bosses and police have been working together to tackle antisocial behaviour and the growing numbers of rough sleepers at the interchange.

And according to local traders, the bagpipe music played through the coach station's tannoy system from midnight to 6.30am, is having the desired effect.

Earlier this year the Echo reported how commuters felt intimidated by the growing numbers of rough sleepers congregating at the travel interchange.

[Detroit Linguist]

I had a Scottish colleague once who had a very strong Scottish accent. He used to say 'It's no an instrument, it's a weapon o' war' [imagine trilled r's]

[Hamster of Doom]

*pictures*

😀

That's delightful.

[Private Chipperbot]

Rough sleepers? Good name for a band.

[Brett L]

I assume the UNHRC is all over this.

[Rhywun]

I love bagpipes. I would 'sleep rough' there just to listen.

[Fist of Etiquette]

In his latest tweet storm...

Yeah, I got a retweet, you're a dick! #SC #WhatsUp

[Rufus The Monocled]

I judge people's moral compass on what they say about Fidel.

And lemme tell ya, I'm troubled.

[The Grinch]

I sort of agree and it is nice to feel morally superior to the Pope.

[John DeWitt]

Assuming you don't rape little boys, that's at least two in a row for you.

[Tyler.C]

I felt morally superior as soon as he started criticising the system that has pulled more people out of poverty than any other.

[The Late P Brooks]

In his latest tweet storm, Donald Trump claimed "millions" of people voted illegally

How many college students register and vote on campus and also send in an absentee ballot at Mom and Dad's house? I suspect the number is greater than zero. I also suspect many of them are so ill-taught that they don't even know it's illegal.

[Tonio]

I believe the registrars discourage that to the extent that it's legally possible, ie they know the addresses of all the university-owned housing and will not register people who give those addresses.

[Tonio]

Having said that, students who live in regular apartments could well double-dip if they were so inclined.

[I Still Like Ike]

When I went to college in MO, I registered to vote while in university campus housing and there wasn't a problem. I just took along a bill from college for housing. Now, I am sure I could have double registered in my home state as well but I would never try it.

[Lord Humungus]

Inside the world of the burping fetish community

For many people, burping is disgusting and rude. But for some, belching is a major sexual turn on.

People with the unusual fetish can find it arousing to watch other people burp, or to burp themselves.

Those who are turned on by burping seek each other out and share their desires and links belching videos on the website Burp Fetish Forums, which contains thousands of posts. Gifs and images of people burping as their profile photos are not uncommon on the website.

One 42-year-old user RobbyBoy0 revealed that he "likes guys who can burp on command". On the same thread, a 25-year-old fetishist called Burpboy wrote: "I do some very good burping of my own!" and invited others to contact him.

[Rich]

Sheesh, Lord -- WTF do you come up with this stuff?

[John]

The biggest thing about the internet is that it has shown people that no matter how fucked up their fetish is, there is someone else out there into it.

[Echo Chamber]

I thought Robby was 24, not 42

[Brett L]

Its great. I'm so cynical about sex and fetish, I can only imagine what today's teenagers feel. As long as everyone is consenting, and able to do so based on a)being human b)being of age to consent in their locality and c)having the mental capacity to do so, I wish everyone great luck in finding sexual satisfaction however they derive it. And, I don't have to know or care.

[Lord Humungus]

+1 Boston Steamer

[thom]

This - technology has improved life for these burpers at the expense of no one. All these millions of little improvements aggregate into some real positive transformation.

[gaoxiaen]

Throat cancer victims unite!

[Lee Genes]

Another classic entry in the EF Anthology

The likelihood is that you don't even notice where the excess of your pee has landed ? that no one has ever pointed it out to you.

You are a cis man. And to some degree (especially if you are a white cis man), society promotes an idea that we are entitled to absolute freedom of movement. You deserve, among so many other things, to pee freely and have no one tell you about the consequences of your poor aim.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

Sitzpinklers!

[Hamster of Doom]

Mr. Performative Wokeness here isn't adequately potty-trained and feels the need to blog about that fact.

[Tonio]

Thankfully, those women are effectively taking themselves out of the gene pool. Pro-tip for straight guys: always use a rubber even for anonymous bar hookups, think of your possible children.

[Tyler.C]

So why single out white men? Would black penises be easier to control because they are bigger?

[Rhywun]

I still think EF is performance art.

[Jerms]

Guys-be careful what you say.
http://www.fosters.com/zz/elec.....ign=buffer

[yet another dave]

I do enjoy the fact that squirrels are kicking Chicago's ass

[Domestic Dissident]

Clinton Campaign Joins Green Party Recount EffortsM

I'm so old, I remember when the scum in the JournoList was giving Trump all kinds of shit for saying he might not necessarily accept the election results!

[Citizen X]

Yo, fuck Fidel Castro.

That is all.

[Lee Genes]

I'm not German, so no thanks.

[Chipwooder]

Baby! I am not from Havana!

[Lord Humungus]

Weather Blog: It's Bigfoot Hunting Season in Texas!

I personally know people. People who have normal jobs, families, lives. Professional people... who, like me, believe that Bigfoot may actually exist. One of these 'seemingly' normal persons I know actually spends a week each year camping in east Texas, for the sole purpose of hunting down Bigfoot. This guy swears he has seen a Bigfoot on several occasions. He tells me the story of how one late afternoon in November he and a fellow Bigfoot tracker walked into a clearing in the Piney Woods of east Texas, only to find what looked to them like a mother and two adolescent Bigfoot bathing in a stream.

[Swiss Servator]

STEVE SMITH TAKE ROAD TRIPS TO VISIT TX BRANCH OF FAMILY ONCE IN WHILE. BY ROAD TRIPS MEANS RAPE TRIPS.

[This Machine]

YOU NOT HUNT STEVE SMITH, STEVE SMITH HUNT YOU

[Mr Lizard]

STEVE SMITH ALWAYS WILLING TO VERIFY EXISTENCE GOOD AND HARD

[The Late P Brooks]

What the fuck would lead anyone to believe either Mittens or Ghouliani is qualified to be SecState?

[Rich]

It'll be some "dark horse". Maybe the Newtster.

[BakedPenguin]

Hmm.... maybe this:

Cyrus Roberts Vance (1977-1980)
Edmund Sixtus Muskie (1980-1981)
Alexander Meigs Haig (1981-1982)
George Pratt Shultz (1982-1989)
James Addison Baker (1989-1992)
Lawrence Sidney Eagleburger (1992-1993)
Warren Minor Christopher (1993-1997)
Madeleine Korbel Albright (1997-2001)
Colin Luther Powell (2001-2005)
Condoleezza Rice (2005-2009)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (2009-2013)

To be fair, Schultz was pretty good.

[Rich]

*Hey*, B P!

[BakedPenguin]

Hey Rich. How you been?

[Lee Genes]

It's false consciousness, all the way down

Why do Republicans hate themselves and their fellow Americans?

What will happen now without Democrats to defend them against themselves?

[Hyperion]

"republicans divide the populace into ethnic, and moral sections. More if I thought on it heavier"

So the guy is just a little confused, eh?

[Tyler.C]

Just how unaware this is is ridiculous.

[Lord Humungus]

U.S. Thanksgiving, Black Friday store sales fall, online rises

Preliminary data from retail research firm ShopperTrak showed that shopper visits to such stores fell a combined 1 percent during Thanksgiving and Black Friday when compared with the same days in 2015.

The data highlights the waning importance of Black Friday, which until a few years ago kicked off the holiday shopping season, as more retailers start discounting earlier in the month and opened their doors on Thanksgiving Day.

"We knew it (holiday season) was going to be off to a slow start," Shelley Kohan, vice president of retail consulting at RetailNext, said.

"The first couple of weeks with the election were a complete distracter from the normal course of business and...a warmer climate in November may have made the sales more stubborn," she said, adding that she saw sales picking up in December.

damn global warming!

[Echo Chamber]

Maybe all the stores starting their Black Friday sales before Thanksgiving played a role too.

[Glide]

I got an email from some site on Wednesday morning excitingly titled "Black Friday starts NOW!"

I don't think that's how days of the week work.

[DOOMco]

"cyber monday sales week sarts today" this appeared on Saturday.

[Rhywun]

Who the fuck in their right mind would visit a meatspace store on Black Friday?

Oh and BTW, retail is dying anyway.

[SugarFree]

"OK, what do you want to tweet next?" the hair asked the hat, his nimble tendrils poised over the keys of Donald's cellphone.

"Well, let's see? We've made run of Jill Stein's recount effort and Hillary's support of it, so we've made the point that there was no voter fraud?" the hat said. A pair of reading glasses were perched on his bill and he was looking over a series of notes the hair had taken earlier. "OK, I got it. Tweet this: 'In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.'"

"That makes no sense," the hair said.

"That's why it's funny!"

The hair grumbled but tapped away at the phone anyway.

"Have you sent it yet?" the hat asked.

"Hold on, hold on." There was a whooshing sound from the phone of a tweet being sent.

"Let's see Kellyanne talk her way out of that one," the hat chortled.

"You know she's on our side, right?"

"Fuck her. Her face looks like deep-fried buttskin."

[Rich]

I must admit -- the SNL "Kellyanne's Day Off" skit was well done.

[Fist of Etiquette]

So suddenly the hair can not only manipulate objects, it has enough of an electrical charge to use a touchscreen? I smell retcon.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

Needs more clones.

[Tonio]

Willing suspension of disbelief. If you can swallow a sentient hair and hat the ability to operate a cellphone is a low hurdle.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He's built a universe and within that universe their are rules just as immutable as the laws of physics to us in the real world. It's sloppy storytelling to change them for the sake of narration.

[Citizen X]

I had a lot of work to do this week, but now all of my mental energy will be going towards finding ways to use the phrase "deep-fried buttskin" in conversation, so thanks for that.

[Lord Humungus]

Federal agencies push 'midnight' rule-making flurry under Obama

Despite the likelihood that US President-elect Donald Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress would kill any controversial late-in-the-game moves by Mr. Obama, federal agencies under the Democratic president are pushing for a flurry of so-called "midnight" regulations on everything from the environment to transportation and financial marketplaces.

The White House was reviewing as many as 98 final regulations, as of Nov. 15, that could be implemented before Mr. Trump takes office, including 17 with an estimated annual economic impact of $100 million or more, Politico reported. But lawmakers have warned agency heads to avoid rushing to finalize rules or regulations before Obama leaves office.

[Tonio]

"All regulations enacted after Nov 8, 2016 are hereby null and void."

[UnCivilServant]

"All regulations enacted after Nov 8, 20161775 are hereby null and void."

There, that looks more appropriate.

[Hyperion]

They do realize that Trump can undo all of this just as fast as it was done, right?

[John DeWitt]

That's not fair. Obama needed to get things past the obstructionist Congress. Trump doesn't have an obstructionist Congress, so he should be forced to follow the Constitution.

[Rhywun]

Ah, but will he? They probably counting on even odds that they can shove as many regulations as they want up our collective ass and they'll stick.

[The Late P Brooks]

The New York Times took a look at potential Trump conflicts of interest around the globe.

Capitalism will be the death of us all!

[Lord Humungus]

They're fucking people enough...

California considers ban on sex between lawyers and clients

The nation's largest state bar association is overhauling ethics rules for attorneys for the first time in 30 years, and some lawyers are unhappy about a proposal that would open them up to discipline for having sex with clients.

California currently bars attorneys from coercing a client into sex or demanding sex in exchange for legal representation.

Supporters of an all-out ban say the relationship between a lawyer and client is inherently unequal, so any sexual relationship is potentially coercive. But some attorneys say it's an unjustified invasion of privacy.

[UnCivilServant]

So you can't ask someone you're in an existing relationship with to represent you?

[Hyperion]

Exactly how do they plan to enforce this? Also, is there anything at all left that CA has not considered banning?

[Brett L]

I guess if your wife is a lawyer, she can still represent you, eh?

[Lord Humungus]

You just can't have sex with her. #normalmarriedlife

[Fist of Etiquette]

The Boston police department is set to buy social media monitoring software.

They have until the end of the day to get those Cyber Monday deals on it.

[Not a Libertarian]

While Fillon might be strong against Ms Le Pen right now

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38129375

According to the Harris Interactive poll for French parliamentary TV (in French), Mr Fillon would lead the National Front candidate by 26% to 24% in the first round, then win the run-off against her by 67% to 33%

I wonder if by the election next year, and particularly in the second round, that Ms Le Pen will find "strange new respect" from certain quarters on the French Left.

[Lord Humungus]

Step-by-step guide to making a dumpster fire ornament for 2016

Then I realized that most of the news stories I've covered this year were too depressing to turn into ornaments. So I made a dumpster fire instead.

People really seemed to enjoy the dumpster fire. (It was retweeted thousands of times.) Some asked for one of their own. But I cannot oblige, because I do not know how to Etsy. So instead, here is a step-by-step guide that will allow you to DIY your own 2016 dumpster fire in no time.

Please enjoy.

[Hamster of Doom]

In his latest tweet storm, Donald Trump claimed "millions" of people voted illegally and called the recount effort by Jill Stein a "scam".

If y'all keep giving him attention, he'll only keep doing it.

[straffinrun]

Oh no. A "tweet storm".

[Hamster of Doom]

"It's coming right at us!"

[Swiss Servator]

*heads to root cellar*

[Rich]

"Root, root, root for The Home Team!"

[Citizen X]

Invisible furry hand is so confused right now. "You have a whole cellar for THAT?"

[Princess Trigger]

More of those euphemisms.

[Krabappel]

We didn't listen!

[Rasilio]

That is almost as bad as a emailnado

[Swiss Servator]

I larfed.

[Lord Humungus]

Castro: A Letter from Khrushchev

In your cable of October 27 you proposed that we be the first to carry out a nuclear strike against the enemy's territory. Naturally you understand where that would lead us. It would not be a simple strike, but the start of a thermonuclear world war.

Dear Comrade Fidel Castro, I find your proposal to be wrong, even though I understand your reasons.

We have lived through a very grave moment, a global thermonuclear war could have broken out. Of course the United States would have suffered enormous losses, but the Soviet Union and the whole socialist bloc would have also suffered greatly. It is even difficult to say how things would have ended for the Cuban people. First of all, Cuba would have burned in the fires of war. Without a doubt the Cuban people would have fought courageously but, also without a doubt, the Cuban people would have perished heroically. We struggle against imperialism, not in order to die, but to draw on all of our potential, to lose as little as possible, and later to win more, so as to be a victor and make communism triumph.

damn.

[Lee Genes]

Castro was certifiable.

[Rufus The Monocled]

BUT HE WAS SO CHARMING!

[Real and Legitimate News, Jr.]

From the first draft:

In your cable of October 27 you proposed that we be the first to carry out a nuclear strike against the enemy's territory. Are you fucking retarded. It would not be a simple strike, but the start of a thermonuclear world war.

Dear Comrade Fidel Castro, I find your proposal to be wrong, even though I understand your reasons. Those reasons being: you are a stupid, stupid person.

We have lived through a very grave moment, a global thermonuclear war could have broken out. Of course the United States would have suffered enormous losses, but the Soviet Union and the whole socialist bloc would have also suffered greatly. It is obvious as shit how things would have ended for the Cuban people. First of all, Cuba would have burned in the fires of war. Without a doubt the Cuban people would have fought courageously but, also without a doubt, the Cuban people would have perished heroically. Actually, there is no first, second, third, etc. You all would have held up your pitchforks and your signs and you would have been burned to the ground. We struggle against imperialism, not in order to die, but to draw on all of our potential, to lose as little as possible, and later to win more, so as to be a victor and make communism triumph. You stupid fucking fuck.

[The Grinch]

Interesting that a drunk who's famous for banging his shoe on a podium was the adult in the room.

[Lee Genes]

I have to think that Krushchev had a perspective on war that Castro did not. Castro and Che were romantics, fighting the good fight against American imperialism. There was no sacrifice too large.

Kruschchev managed to survive Stalingrad and Stalin himself. He obviously wanted to live.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Interesting or troubling?

Could you imagine those psycho conversations?

[I can't even]

"Does what I tell you, or I'll have the KGB kill you..." is how I imagine them.

[John DeWitt]

I wonder who the adult will be when Duterte and Trump meet...

[Brett L]

Hopefully, Mattis will take Duerte aside and explain the actual history of what happens when banana republics stop being annoying and start actually bother megastates. What was his line from Afghanistan? Something like, "I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all."

I hope we don't have to carry out diplomacy like that, but if Duerte's going to set himself up as a supreme leader outside the law, let us treat him differently than parliamentary democracies with strong rule of law.

[prolefeed]

Jill waited until the last possible moment to file the recount request in order to provide the least amount of time possible to do the recount before the EC deadline. The goal is to exclude the electoral votes from those states and create chaos, not to flip them from Trump to Clinton.
Several reports say that the WI recount only begins after she pays for it, so expect to see that check arrive at the last possible moment too.

Being the cynical bastard that I am, I'm guessing Jill Stein keeps as much of the donations pouring in as she can, doling out just enough to keep the recounts sorta going and in the news, to get her even more donations from leftists in denial and pick up votes for next time around.

[Hyperion]

The chance of a recount actually happening in PA is very small and they have a very tiny window to get everything done.

PA recount very difficult to pull off

Also, Trump has a 76,000 vote lead. No PA recount and this folly is over.

IMHO, Stein is just fleecing useful idiots out of some money. I hope the result of this is that Trump changes his mind and Hillary gets indicted over something and we all know there are all too many somethings that could make it happen.

[Hamster of Doom]

The Hillary Clinton campaign said it would join that effort to initiate recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

2. ???

3. PROFIT

[UnCivilServant]

A return to political relevence would present to opportunity to resume influence peddling.

[Not a Libertarian]

2. ???

Cattle Futures of course.

[Rich]

LOL

[Hamster of Doom]

The New York Times took a look at potential Trump conflicts of interest around the globe.

Did they drag Duranty out of the crypt for another Pulitzer with which to shine up their journalistic integrity?

[straffinrun]

Austrian to lead The Fed?

A Fed packed with Austrian economists would likely react slowly to a recession and resist extraordinary policies such as quantitative easing. They would also likely attempt to tighten policy soon after the recession ended. They would, in other words, tend toward a liquidationist approach that risks turning the Great Recession into another Great Depression.

[Lee Genes]

The Keynesians have so thoroughly fucked the money supply that any attempt to unwind it is going to start a recession at a minimum. Trying to right the ship is going to be a thankless job at best.

[straffinrun]

Even Keynes would be distancing himself from those guys at Bloomberg.

[Brett L]

Yes, but the harder you crash it, the faster it rebounds. I'd sell Trump on a hard crash and recovery by late 2018.

[Hamster of Doom]

They would, in other words, tend toward a liquidationist approach that risks turning the Great Recession into another Great Depression.

They lack the courage to act!

[Juvenile Bluster]

Wasn't Greenspan an Austrian before he hit the Fed though?

[Citizen X]

No, he was an Objectivist.

[Hamster of Doom]

Trump campaign manager Kelly Anne Conway criticized the idea of Mitt Romney for secretary of state.

See, Trump values loyalty (so he says), so this just makes no damned sense. He asks Mittens over for a coupla chats about taking the State job, great chats, just the best chats, and then sends forth the minions to talk shit about him.

These people are freaking weird.

[SugarFree]

Assuming that was the real Kellyanne...

[Rich]

Whoa ....

[Swiss Servator]

Mind. Blown.

[straffinrun]

Trump did prison bitch Mitt with the, "He would've gotten on his knees if I had asked him."

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

It's a ploy. Create appearance of reality show-style drama within the team, rile up the media by tweeting something outrageously false, take focus off shady business dealings and potential conflicts of interest.

[Brett L]

Carrot and stick. Mitt didn't have any interest in the carrot, so she goes out and hits him (and the GOPe that he represents) with the stick.

[John DeWitt]

Trump is literally a troll. He calls in people who talked shit about him during the election for various reasons, and then destroys them. Press? Check. Romney? Check. I wonder who's up next on his "Payback is a Bitch" tour?

[Free Society]

These interviews are 90% about social signalling and 10% actually looking for people to fill a position. Maybe the chat didn't go so well. Maybe the point of the chat was just to signal to other NeverTrumper hopefuls that Trump might hire a few from that camp. We don't know.

[Lord Humungus]

Dr. Jill Stein Verified account
?@DrJillStein
Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!

Katie Pavlich ?@KatiePavlich Nov 26
And by the way @DrJillStein, you're free to move out of the United States, the "shadowing empire," and to Cuba at anytime.

[The Grinch]

The struggle for justice in the shadow of empire apparently includes show trials and summary executions. It's amazing how forgiving leftists can be for things they would roundly condemn their own country or the right for. The guy was a straight up mass murderer.

[John DeWitt]

I don't think the left would roundly condemn the unfortunate - but necessary - culling of the intolerant redneck herds.

[thom]

They never understand that they will be on the wrong end of those show trials and summary executions.

[Michael]

So she's agitating for a vote recount all the while slavishly praising a guy that suspended elections for over half a century. Boy, she sure is smart.

[John DeWitt]

It's only hypocritical if you think they're concerned about anything other the end state.

[Jerms]

They arent only terrorizing the comments now. http://www.fosters.com/zz/elec.....ign=buffer

[straffinrun]

Right under that pic it warns of "the toothy menace".

[Brett L]

Its the Chicago Way.

[Lee Genes]

Gary Legum laments the Electoral College as being not democratic enough and insufficiently elitist at the same time.

But the issue here is not the mechanics of the Electoral College. The issue is both its anti-democratic nature and its longtime function as nothing more than a rubber stamp to validate its winner. So when faced with a crisis of legitimacy, institutional torpor and habit prevent it from rising to the occasion. And on Dec. 19 the Electoral College will meekly allow itself to get steamrollered.

[Rich]

institutional torpor

Nice band name.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Heads Hillary wins, tails Trump loses.

[Hamster of Doom]

All I want for Christmas is for every time a journalist claims America is a democracy, a public teacher gets fired.

[straffinrun]

They'd start by firing the few teachers that actually say it's a republic.

[Suthenboy]

I literally cringed every time I heard that flappy-eared dunce in the oval office make that claim.

Recently had a relative repeat the fundamentals of "You didn't build that" to me to support her demand that businesses with money parked overseas should bring the money back here and pay the hefty tax on it because they are obligated to. When I tried to explain how incentives work and what the Laffer curve is she crossed her arms, turned her face away and claimed "I am not stupid".

I had had a couple of drinks, lost my temper and yelled at her "Yes, you fuckin' are."

I was out of line, but goddamn. She still won't speak to me.

[Colonel Slanders]

No, you really aren't out of line. After seriously attempting to explain reality to these assholes, only to have them refute all said attempts, you finally have to thrown up your hands and tell them exactly what they are: Fucking retards.

[Citizen X]

Throw in a frog-punch or a really hard flick on the earlobe for the journalist in question, too.

[Hamster of Doom]

Towel snap. I used to be deadly. Could hit an ear from anywhere on the line.

[Swiss Servator]

Go on...

[Citizen X]

Towel Snaps: Swiss is Into That.

[Rhywun]

Seriously. And I would love to watch the entire leftist platform put to a true democratic vote, one issue at a time. See what's left.

[Brett L]

I think that's a good summary of the "educated" Left's stance on things.

[I can't even]

Bankers helping Greece crack down on cash.

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2016.....x-evasion/

[Rufus The Monocled]

The irony is the only way for Greece to survive (to the extent it exists) is to let Greeks handle it in a free market. Let cash reign. But nope. Let's double down on the stupidity.

[Suthenboy]

They should drop the mask and just go full Castro already.

[John DeWitt]

Full Hero, you mean.

[Not a Libertarian]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-300.....7997773289

Does anybody still care about chess?

[Lord Humungus]

I've been playing Chess on my iPhone. The computer opponent isn't very smart - at least on the low-to-mid difficulty settings.

It's also a great game to learn some of the the concepts of war. My recent playing has given me a new respect for the lowly pawn.

[Real and Legitimate News, Jr.]

I've been playing on at least a hobbyist level since my mid-teens. I enjoy it greatly. A month ago, I scored 3 wins, a loss, and a draw at the Houston Open in the under-1800 section.

My last game was a lot of fun. I managed to win a pawn in a kind of gnarly position, but I fucked up immediately and went down a pawn. I made the game as thorny as I could and sure enough, my opponent blundered, allowing me to fork his king and queen.

The opponent was a high-strung fellow, seemingly unhappy with his position after every move, fidgeting and sighing almost constantly. His scoresheet was indecipherable. When I made the final move of the game, it was as if someone just told him his house had burned down. The whole thing was pretty hilarious.

[(((Renegade)))]

If I last 15 moves with my kid, I'm playing well for me. A couple years ago, he came to work with me one day and played a couple games with my boss. Unfortunately, he spent both games trash-talking him. "Oh man, you really suck. Are you really my dad's boss? Huh. Well, I'm not going to beat you yet, what I'm gonna do is take all your pieces first."

This was not a good career move for me.

[Lord Humungus]

Eddie Hitler is now the new UKiP leader

[Citizen X]

You know who else was Hitler?

[(((Renegade)))]

Lord Humungus?

[Citizen X]

Yes.

[Lord Humungus]

*hangs head in shame*

[BakedPenguin]

He's worse than Hitler: "He promised to "put the great back into Britain" ".

He's Eddie Trump.

[The Late P Brooks]

Despite the likelihood that US President-elect Donald Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress would kill any controversial late-in-the-game moves by Mr. Obama, federal agencies under the Democratic president are pushing for a flurry of so-called "midnight" regulations on everything from the environment to transportation and financial marketplaces.

The Dept of the Interior just declared a "moratorium" on mining permits on public lands in the vicinity of Yellowstone. Because OMG Yellowstone is more precious than gold!

Fucking nimby dipshits would rather see their neighbors on welfare or working for minimum wage (or leaving Montana altogether for jobs in other states) than have icky mineral extraction happening. They act like Emigrant Peak is going to be stripmined.

[The Grinch]

It's going to be pretty satisfying to see Trump nullify all this garbage with a stroke of a pen during his first week in office.

[UnCivilServant]

As far as I can tell, that sulphorus deathpit has a negative net value. It's an abcess in the crust of the earth waiting to kill everyone in the area.

[straffinrun]

Sounds more like an ingrown hemorrhoid.

[commodious got a stew going]

At a minimum, culling the weak from the herd.

"They were specifically moving in that area for a place that they could potentially get into and soak," Deputy Chief Ranger Lorant Veress told CNN affiliate KULR. "I think they call it hot potting."
Scott had reached down to check the temperature of a spring when he slipped and fell into it. Rescuers later found Scott's body inside the pool, but couldn't retrieve it because of a lightning storm in the area. When they came back the next day, no remains were found beneath the spring's churning, acidic waters.

[Mr Drew]

So what the hell happened to the Friday links? Is the day after Thanksgiving a holiday that I'm unaware of?

/resumes cloud shouting

[UnCivilServant]

Is the day after Thanksgiving a holiday that I'm unaware of?

Comaday. Everyone celebrates either by being in a food coma or by trampling each other in a maddened high.

[Hamster of Doom]

I dunno, in Casa de Doom we basically re-purposed it into another Boxing Day. A holiday so fantastic, now I get to have it twice in one year!

[Suthenboy]

In his latest tweet storm, Donald Trump claimed "millions" of people voted illegally and called the recount effort by Jill Stein a "scam".

Given top dem operatives bragging on video about creating false flags and cheating on votes coupled with Obama openly encouraging illegals to vote I would say Trump is probably right on the money.

[(((Renegade)))]

I would say Trump is probably right on the money.

50:50. Millions of illegal votes> Doubtful. Scam by Stein? Absolutely. Interestingly, the first report I read about this was from NPR, of all places.

[Suthenboy]

I heard it on NBC this morning with emphasis on 'but Trump has offered no evidence of this'.

[MikeP2]

"Scam by Stein". No. This is an effort by the Dems to make a talking point for the next 4 years of "Trump is illegitimate" by forcing the election to go to the House.

It's about as twisted and destructive a thing any 'public servant' could do to the country. The Clintons are evil.

[(((Renegade)))]

"Scam by Stein". No

Yes. It's all about the fundraising, and her bullshit has been remarkably transparent.

[Mr. Flanders]

I need some help from you libertarian nutjobs: My girlfriend has decided that she would like to go shooting for the first time ever. I have been considering purchasing a rifle for some time now, and I have fond memories of starting on a simple .22 caliber rifle when I was a kid. After looking into it, I realize that there are a lot of different rifles out there that fit this broad description.

So, I need your help. I want something easy to clean, load and shoot. What advice do you have for me?

[UnCivilServant]

I have a Savage Mark II that is very easy to load and shoot, clean action (bolt action) and was relatively cheap.

It was only hard to clean in that I had cleaning rods for larger bores and needed to get a new kit.

[Lord Humungus]

The shooting range I used to go to had gun rentals. That's when I learned that I don't like .45s for target shooting.

[Tonio]

^This. Let her try out several models.

[Mr. Flanders]

That's a great idea - I didn't know that they do this! Growing up I had a friend that owned a bunch of different guns. I liked his .22 but I didn't like the .9 mil. Never tried the .45. I'm most concerned about kickback for her. I want her first experience to be easy so she enjoys it.

[Cdr Lytton]

Move the decimal over one. .9mm would be one hell of a wimpy caliber.

[UnCivilServant]

What? You don't like needle rifles?

[I can't even]

When my kids started shooting I bought a Savage Mark II FVT. A heavy-barrel bolt action .22 with a nice trigger out of the box. With good ammo it is far more accurate than most shooters. About $400.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFVT

[UnCivilServant]

The side of mine doesn't have a letter code, I think I might have one of the earliest Mark IIs they made. The closest to mine I can find in the catalog is the II F http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIF . What year did you pick up the one you've got?

[I can't even]

2008 or 09. It was good for the basic kids' shooting class at the club. Doesn't have all the sling points and that kind of stuff for more advanced Olympic style shooting. Quite a few annoying squirrels met their maker very quietly via subsonic rounds with that rifle.

[UnCivilServant]

Hrm. I wonder how long my letterless Mark II was sitting in that cabinet at the store. Because I only got it in 2011 or 2012.

[I can't even]

I think the only difference with mine is a heavier than normal barrel , adjustable rear sights, and a choice of front sights (circle style target or military post).

[UnCivilServant]

I put a scope on (it came drilled and tapped from the factory) What made me think I'd gotten into it earlier than that on the product run was because it wasn't in the big book of guns when the store I sent to to get a scope mount was trying to help me find one that would fit. They didn't believe there was such a thing as a savage mark II until I brought it in. (this was not the same place I'd originally gotten it)

[Mr. Flanders]

This looks very friendly - I'm pretty sure when she thinks "rifle", this is what pops up in her mind. Something that looks like its used for hunting. I'll save this to my favorites thanks!

[MikeP2]

Get a ruger 10/22. They are widely available, relatively cheap, simple, and fun to shoot. The semi-auto aspect keeps attention longer for newbies. A bolt/pump/lever can be fun, but can be tedious also.

The 10/22 has been around forever and you can get all sorts of configurations.

Strongly recommend starting her out with reactive targets. Targets that bounce, flip, explode and far more engaging for newbies. Cheap diet soda cans are excellent. When full they spray, when empty they will fall over/bounce with 22s. Only use diet....sugar is sticky.

[Mr. Flanders]

Can you link me to one you suggest? I would love to do things like cans/bottles but we're stuck going to a range since I live in the suburbs. I'm not sure if they'll let me set things up like that (they wouldn't when I was a kid).

[MikeP2]

http://www.ruger.com/products/.....odels.html

You can buy them anywhere and they come in a gazillion models.

Find out what the range allows. Maybe they'll allow plastic flip targets or something.

[Mr. Flanders]

This might be the winner - these look exactly like the first rifle I ever shot. Semi-auto ftw. Love it, I think I might pick this up. Thanks!!

I'll call around to the different ranges near here and see what they've got/will allow. Thanks for the advice!

[guitargeek]

Another vote for the 10-22. That was my second rifle growing up, loved it. Easy to maintain as a teenager. .22 rounds have gone up in price considerably since then, though.

[Mr. Flanders]

Any suggestions for a scope?

[Cdr Lytton]

Just go with iron sights. Unless you're shooting long range (which would not be recommended for a beginner), scopes are not needed.

[Mr. Flanders]

I started with a scope and loved it though. It helped me line up the cross with what was on the actual target too.

[Propaganda Czar]

Seconded. My dad has a 35+ year old 10/22 that still functions flawlessly. They are a lot of fun and very accurate for a cheap semi-auto .22. They eat just about any ammo too. I run a cheap Bushnell 3-9x magnification scope on mine.

[Chipwooder]

I have an old Marlin Model 60. You can find one dirt cheap and it's a perfectly good choice for a first rifle.

[Suthenboy]

How much do you want to spend? The price range is very wide. I have a used Browning BLR that I paid a hundred bucks for and it is a joy to shoot. I paid about 300 for my Ruger 10-22, also fun, but I don't recommend she learn on a semi-auto. I also have a Kimber Super America with fancy walnut that I paid around $4000 for.

Almost all of the 22 rifles out there by major manufacturers are very good. Go with a bolt or a lever. Also, buy a decent scope and some tannerite targets for 22's. She will love that. Make it as fun as possible and she will be pavloved into orgasming every time she smells freshly fired 22's.

[Mr. Flanders]

http://www.ruger.com/products/.....odels.html

I am leaning towards this one. I learned on a semi-auto when I was a kid and loved it. Why do you suggest a bolt action for the first go-around?

Also, any suggestions when it comes to scopes?

[Mr. Flanders]

Also, anything under $500 is fine.

[Suthenboy]

I suggest it because I have seen this happen many times with inexperienced shooters. You can find many videos online of people doing it, it is common behavior.

The novice is carefully told about gun safety and how to operate the gun. They prepare to shoot full of anticipation then 'bang'. Whew! I did it! Wow!

They are excited and want your approval. Their brain turns off and they turn toward you with a huge smile on their face and are completely unaware that they are pointing the gun right at you with their finger on the trigger.

A gun with a manual action is much safer to learn on.

[Mr. Flanders]

Ahh I see what you're saying. This is definitely something I need to consider... I definitely don't enjoy the thought of being accidently shot.

[Cdr Lytton]

Or just load a single round. You don't have to fill the magazine.

[Mr. Flanders]

You're smart. This is a good idea! Thanks!

[Suthenboy]

If you know about human behavior and new, exciting, novel experiences you should see this coming. Unfortunately unless you have seen it or had it happen to you, you just don't.

*A guy I went to HS with had his left leg shot off below the knee when he tried to teach his girlfriend to shoot using a Ruger 44 mag carbine, the large caliber version of the 10/22.

[Suthenboy]

For a good scope on a 22 it is hard to go wrong. I put a 50 dollar Wal Mart scope on my 4000 dollar Kimber and I cant miss with that thing. 5 shots, one hole at 40 yards. Something in the 3X to 6X range with a large reticle so she can see well.

[Mr. Flanders]

Awesome, thanks!

[Rasilio]

Isn't the Ruger 10/22 the standard first .22 rifle?

[bacon-magic]

Ruger products. Start with a Ruger 10/22 rifle. Then get a Ruger Mark IV or Ruger SR-22 pistol.

[The Late P Brooks]

Mister Flanders- I like these.

Henry makes a modern version, I think.

[Suthenboy]

^Excellent suggestion.

[Brett L]

Just saw a picture of my friend's father teaching friend's grandson how to shoot with one of these (I assume) this weekend.

[Brett L]

Sorry, grandpa was teaching grandson. friend is son to grandpa and dad to grandson.

[Mr. Flanders]

Hmm, I'll have to save this and see what she thinks. I'm not sure if she is thinking modern or older type.

[The Late P Brooks]

Cabela's has 'em.

[Sevo]

"Thousands line up early to pay homage to Castro in Cuba"
http://www.sfgate.com/news/wor.....639188.php

Well, Senor and Senora Gonzalez, would you care to join the mourning, or should be burn your ration cards right now?

[Raven Nation]

I'm sure there's some of that going on. But I'd also guess that they are plenty of Cubans who truly worship the man. Right through the early 2000s there were still people in Russia who mourned Stalin.

[Sevo]

I'm sure also. When I was in the PRC several years back, that slimy murderer Mao had his mug plastered on about every second surface you looked at.

[Rhywun]

I was disappointed that I saw only one Mao-suit in the wild when I visited in 2001.

[Brett L]

"Is this the ration line?"

"In a way"

[commodious got a stew going]

This is a few years old but a fascinating read. In short, a man drove into a remote piece of Maine country, got out of his car, and spent the next 27 years living outdoors, burgling houses for food, and avoiding all human contact.

His name, he revealed, was Christopher Thomas Knight. Born on December 7, 1965. He said he had no address, no vehicle, did not file a tax return, and did not receive mail. He said he lived in the woods.

"For how long?" wondered Perkins-Vance.

Knight thought for a bit, then asked when the Chernobyl nuclear-plant disaster occurred. He had long ago lost the habit of marking time in months or years; this was just a news event he happened to remember. The nuclear meltdown took place in 1986, the same year, Knight said, he went to live in the woods. He was 20 years old at the time, not long out of high school. He was now 47, a middle-aged man.

[Raven Nation]

Each of those Brady Bunch kids dealt with trauma in their own way.

[Cdr Lytton]

Was he the one that fucked Florence Henderson (RIP) or the one who does hair implant commercials?

[Raven Nation]

Hair implant I think.

[Chipwooder]

It's rather miraculous that he survived all that time, given the extremes of the Maine winters.

[Dick N. Bimbose (n?e Cooper)]

What an asshole.

[Dick N. Bimbose (n?e Cooper)]

The Boston police department is set to buy social media monitoring software

This will be used only as prescribed, I'm sure.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't drink chardonnay.

[Dick N. Bimbose (n?e Cooper)]

Unfortunate. Not ironic. Another dumb Canadian.

[DJF]

No, Betamax, which shows the superiority of the socialist system

[Echo Chamber]

LIFO

[Citizen X]

Those poor moose, though. What did they do to earn such an awful fate?

[Mr. Flanders]

That thing looks sweet but I think it will scare her. I want something that looks a bit more like we're hunting deer. I see some people suggesting the Savage Mark II FVT... that looks a bit more friendly for her.

[UnCivilServant]

The Mark II G is the same gun with a wood stock (same price range) if that makes it friendlier.

[Free Society]

The left praises a guy who would have been happy to see everyone of them and their entire families dead. The left is the epitome of anti-human.

[Mr. Flanders]

Maybe this one can be my second one, once I get her foot in the door! 🙂

[gaoxiaen]

Suck me off. Does that rhyme?