Donald Trump

Trump Is Not My President, and Clinton Is Not Our Secretary

Something like titles of nobility.

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The protesters and rioters who have been swarming streets are right: Donald Trump is not their president.

He is not your president, either. He won't be until Jan. 20.

This might seem like a petty quibble, but it shouldn't. It gets to a point that has fallen out of favor in recent years, and needs reviving.

The late Robert Peniston was a Richmonder who had served as navigator aboard the presidential yacht during Harry Truman's administration. According to Peniston, he dropped in on the retired Truman in Independence, Mo., some years later. When he addressed Truman as "Mr. President," Truman corrected him. There is only one president of the United States, Truman insisted: the one in the Oval Office. Peniston could call him "Mr. Truman."

This comes as news to the folks at the Truman Library, who say others often addressed Truman as Mr. President without any objection from him. Still, it's an appealing story—one that speaks to our general belief in the equal dignity of individuals regardless of rank or social class.

Americans pay tribute to that value, as they should. Liberals in particular obsess over it—sometimes to the point of viewing any form of inequality as evidence of injustice until proven otherwise.

The presidential election has revived interest in the idea of common dignity as well. In an interview with NPR, novelist Richard Russo recently speculated on reasons for Donald Trump's success: "When you lose work, which has happened to many of Donald Trump's supporters—or they fear is going to happen to them—you lose your dignity. Maybe you're nobody. Maybe you don't matter." In The Wall Street Journal last week, American Enterprise Institute president Arthur C. Brooks explained "How Donald Trump Filled the Dignity Gap."

And yet Americans often undermine that small-d democratic belief in equal dignity when they flout the Truman doctrine about titles—which they do constantly.

"As I understand it," said Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway the morning after the election, "Secretary Clinton commended Donald Trump on a hard-fought race and congratulated him for his victory and he told Secretary Clinton she's very smart, very tough, had waged a tremendous campaign."

Clinton stopped being Secretary of State on Feb. 1, 2013. Yet Conway has a great deal of company. Hillary Clinton recently has been called "Secretary Clinton" by Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), FBI director James Comey, all three presidential debate moderators, members of the media, and more.

Nor is Clinton unique in receiving this treatment. Many ex-public officials do—as when Fox News' Megyn Kelly recently addressed Newt Gingrich as "Mr. Speaker." You'll often hear former governors addressed as "Governor so-and-so." The same goes for ex-senators, former ambassadors, and others.

It shouldn't. Once someone leaves office, he or she should leave the title behind, too. Regarding ambassadors, the State Department even says so in black and white. According to one diplomatic training manual, department regulations long forbade anyone not "actually in the job of ambassador" to use the title of ambassador, but "long-standing custom and practice" has rendered doing so permissible. In short: It's against the rules, but nobody pays attention. The State Department also says those who were called "The Honorable" may continue to be after leaving office.

All of this title promiscuity runs contrary to the Constitution—which stipulates, in Article I Section 9, that "no title of nobility shall be granted by the United States." True, titles such as Secretary, Governor, Speaker, and so on do not pass down to the holder's offspring, so calling Newt Gingrich "Mr. Speaker" might not be giving him a title of nobility in the strictest sense. But it certainly qualifies in the figurative sense. He's Mr. Gingrich now.

For what it's worth, Virginia's Constitution is pretty clear, too: "The chief executive power of the Commonwealth shall be vested in a Governor." A governor. Singular. At any given moment, the state has only one.

Many public officials probably know the story of Lucius Qunctius Cincinnatus, who was plucked from his farm and appointed dictator during an hour of Roman crisis. He dealt with the crisis, celebrated the achievement in Rome, and then went back to his farm, a common man once more. In America, being a common man should be nobility enough. It's a shame more politicians today apparently don't agree.

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  1. But they are. They’ve been referring to Hillary as Madame Secretary ever since she embarrassed Obama too badly in that spot and had to be let go. Apparently the title is for life, no matter how hard you failed.

    1. In a sense, maybe the convention is worth preserving. The taint of execrable people and policies won’t come off it given the constant association.

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    2. I thought T?a Leoni was Madame Secretary. Does Trump get to replace her too?

  2. Also, after months of lefties saying ‘YOU WILL CALL HER PRESIDENT! She’s YOUR PRESIDENT’, I just feel like they can fuck off.

    1. Our religion is better than yours. We will not worship your pumpkin lord.

      Uh, thanks… didn’t vote for him and wasn’t planning on it. Your move, Democrats.

      1. Then you’re part of the problem.

        /huffy, myopic lefty

        1. Myopia hardly describes their blindness.

          For a while it seemed like (D) and (R) were in a “rabbit season!”, no, “duck season!” competition where the object was to poke the other guy’s eyes out. Now they both just huddle in the corner yelling and poking their own eyes out.

          Everyone keeps going back and forth on the “(Donkey | Elephant) party is dying, it will be any day now!”

          This election ought to convince people that both parties surely are. The last candidate the Dems succeeded with harnessed a cult of personality. This election proved that you can’t just inherit that. It should have seemed obvious that a “more of the same” with none of the charisma and twice the mendacity wasn’t going to work. We all allowed the media to convince us that it really could be inherited – that the populace really was that vapid (and it is, since most of the voters on both sides of the duopoly are reliable and a relatively smaller number are those who determine the outcome).

          A little under four years from now, the Republicans will be trying to figure out how to prop up a demagogue and populist. If the people who swept him into power don’t get what they were weeping into their pillows for, the axe will likely fall. The strategy he used won’t work twice either. He might retain the White House for another four years if the Dems strike out doing the same stupid shit they tried this time, but in eight years they’re going to have to try something very different.

          1. Good analysis. I meant myopia only inasmuch as they are obsessing over what took place last week, as if they’re in any position to challenge it. They just can’t get past it.

            1. (D)uck season! (R)abbit season! …

              All the funnier that (R)abbit season! just elected a daffy fuck named Donald, who used to shout (D)uck season!

              And we, the confused and angry electorate, are a bunch of Fudds, led down the primrose path by loads of FUD.

    2. I look forward to the people on the right who spent the last 8 years saying that Obama isn’t their president and getting yelled at by leftists to suddenly switch sides too. There’s more than enough hypocrisy to go around. It’ll be a lulzy 4 years to be sure.

    3. This wasn’t the outcome they expected. Their argumentation will adjust accordingly.

  3. Um, ok.

    Seems like a silly thing to care about, frankly.

  4. Trump won’t be “my president” even after Jan 20. He’s just a fucking president. He isn’t a god.

    1. As members of the Koch Cabal in good standing, I thought we owned the president? So technically he will be ours.

      1. Wait… is that joint ownership with Putin? Or is Putin a Koch stooge too?

        1. Rather, the Trumputin (this is a holy trinity made up of Trump, Putin, and the KGB) have joined forces with the Kochtopus to kill mother Gaia for fun and profit.

        2. I’m not saying Putin is on the payroll, but I’m not saying he isn’t.

        3. It’s going to be hilarious watching the left go all John birch society.

      2. I’ve heard it on good authority on NPR yesterday that the new evil overlords are not the Koch brothers, but the “Mercers”, because they support the “antisemitic alt-right” that somehow stole the election from Hillary.

        (Of course, the Democrats seem to be doing a bit better in the donor department, with the top 10 Republican donors barely amounting to the amount contributed by the single top Democratic donor.)

    2. And it’s a fucking job, not an enhanced level of existence. It’s the same as someone insisting on being called “head of HR” for the rest of their life because they once held that position somewhere.

      1. Well at a startup I worked on, I gave myself the job title of Overlord. I still ask people to use that when addressing me.

        1. It would be invalidating you if they didn’t.

        2. You apparently got a promotion?

  5. Once someone leaves office, he or she should leave the title behind, too.

    When I was a kid, I was confused about why Mayor McKeldin of Baltimore was always called Governor. Talk about a step down in job title…

    I note that when he was mayor of SF, no-one called Willie Brown “Mr. Speaker.”

    1. Hizzonor was the preferred title. Srsly.

  6. I will NOT BOW to presidents. The best they will get for me is one of those eye contact “Wassup?” nods. That’s it.

    1. If invited to his house, office, or other residence he gets a handshake and a “How are things going?”. If as long as he doesn’t get ask to be called by some-title-too-long-to-remember-completely, that’s how he’ll be addressed.

      And Melania gets a big hug.

      1. Motorboat, it’s how I live my life.
        I can’t take it any other way.

    2. I didn’t think bowing to US presidents was something that anyone does. Am I missing something?

      1. My prog acquaintances have been telling me it will be required once Trumputin has sent all of the colored folk to Gitmo. Is that not true?

        1. As I’ve heard, all women will be required to present their pussy to be grabbed and then after a good solid grabbing to grovel in thanks for it.

          1. That will be popular. It will be just like the good old days when Bill Clinton was president.

            1. Clinton probably taught Trump that move.

              1. I wonder if there are as many different pussy grabs as there are baseball pitches.

                1. Well there’s the “slider,” the “knuckleball”, the “screwball,” the “split fingered fastball”… I’ll leave it up to your imagination if I’m talking about baseball pitches or pussy grabs.

                  1. +3-fingered “shocker”

                  2. I see you didn’t mention the “dirty slider”. Perhaps after a few drinks…

        2. BS. Bowing in Klan robes is problematic because the hood slips too much when you bow. Then you have to awkwardly readjust the eye holes.

          1. Sounds like a free market opportunity…

          2. That’s why Klansmen always curtsy.

        3. “My prog acquaintances have been telling me it will be required once Trumputin has sent all of the colored folk to Gitmo. Is that not true?

          That’s obviously not true. I mean, Obama promised to close Gitmo as soon as he took office. I’m sure he got around to it at some point during the past two terms.

        1. Heh, that makes me remember when they were calling Obama ‘Obowmao’.

    3. Part of how I balance my disdain with red and blue while still being pro-America is by often (jokes and sarc aside) speaking of the president with respect and using the proper titles. It was obvious from an early age that neither side (of the pleb support) could show proper respect to the opposition leader — for me it has always been: President Clinton, President Bush, President Obama and it will be President Trump. Respect, like virtue, is fostered by habit, I use titles to keep me on the road of respect. The other side always scoffs when you use an honorific for the guy they hate, and they will assume you are a supporter.

      I just like to believe that any president who gave me an order that was just, I’d respond, “Yes sir, Mr. President.” It’s almost a romantic notion I carry, that has nothing to do with the active players, it’s just how I’d prefer the whole thing to work.

      (apologies — this may have posted twice)

      1. OK, so long as you keep in mind these people put their pants on one leg at a time. I’ve personally known too many actual politicians in my time to really believe they deserve much respect above and beyond that they’re a representation of the desires of “the people”. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to take that to their own heart. Anything other than that is circularly defined – I respect you because you’re _____________, since you’re _______________ I respect you.

      2. I just like to believe that any president who gave me an order that was just, I’d respond, “Yes sir, Mr. President.”

        Are you in the military or employed by the Executive branch of the federal government? If not I’d think that the proper response to any order from the president would be “go fuck yourself”.

        But I have pretty much given up on the notion that any politician will ever deserve any respect from me at all.

        1. I mean, yeah, it’s also hard for me to imagine any politician that is worthy of serving. But I like to day dream that someday worthy people might achieve office or something, you know? It’s just an idyllic fantasy, the idea of carrying out a good man’s just orders… Though, I’d still probably ‘Yes sir, Mr. President’ whichever douche was in office, that’s just my failings though; I can’t control who leads the country, all I can control is myself, and I often choose the overly respectful path because that’s who I am. I’m always ‘yes sir’-ing and ‘yes ma’am’-ing people who are surprised and give me a look at the honorific title that may or may not be deserved.

          Again I believe respect, like virtue, is fostered through habit. A lot of people say they respect others but if you never show it than it isn’t real. I work hard to show it because I want to be a respectful man.

      3. i understand this, and even appreciate this. i don’t agree with it though, and simply because respect isn’t determined by calling someone by a title they no longer hold. it’s not the same as calling someone “bob” when their name is actually “dave”. that would be disrespectful of course, but the rest is just psychological gobbledygook, even if the reason behind it is admirable.

  7. One this country could desperately use is an injection of small-r republican values. Way too much deference paid to elected officials.

    1. I think some of this country’s sexy ladies could use an injection of my small libertarian values as well ifyouknowwhatImeanIthinkyoudo.

    2. Appointed ones, too. Try calling a judge by his name.

    3. I agree, I just fear we’re going to go all the way to comrade/citoyen territory before it’s all said and done.

  8. So Districts then?

    http://hotair.com/archives/201…..n-america/

    1. Samuel is probably congratulating himself for coming up with a novel way to eliminate the EC. He’ll be the talk of cocktail parties for weeks!

    2. Yeah, let’s be France. Won’t that be fun?

    3. My God… that is… just retarded. If anything, based on his logic in the first quote, we should have more states, not fewer.

    4. “Upstate New Yorkers are less than happy about being in the same tax pool as Manhattanites.”

      So the answer is to put EVERYONE in the same tax pool as manhattanites?

  9. He will always be Lord Voldemort to me no matter what his current status.

    1. Don’t say his name, bro.

    2. Not Grand Dragon?

      1. The Grand Trumputin

  10. more election anger from leftists.. for the lulz

    http://tinyurl.com/h5houhd

    worth skimming for schadenfreude. definitely don’t read in entirety.

    1. If I had to talk to one more gay person about how Hillary wasn’t always for same sex marriage I was going to start having sex with women. Oh really? She wasn’t for gay marriage? WHY WERE YOU SO SUPPORTIVE OF OBAMA IF THAT WAS YOUR MAIN REASON FOR NOT LIKING HER??? AHHHHHH! Is it because she’s a woman and it reminded you of your own mother when she didn’t fully accept you as gay?

      I had to stop, my ribs hurt too much.

    2. Everyone but Clinton is responsible for her loss, even her supporters.

    3. If you would have just swallowed your pride and given Hillary half of the love you gave Obama, then we might not have woken up on November 9th worrying about families being torn apart, marriage licenses being taken way, guns getting into the wrong hands and women having to stay pregnant after getting raped

      I think it’s funny that regardless of team, principles are the first thing into the chipper when your team might lose. So many people just don’t understand sticking to your principles.

      1. I think it’s funny and tragic in equal parts that even now they don’t see the common denominator in all those fears: government authority.

        1. +1 clear insight

      2. We have to ignore our principles to save our principles. It would be senseless to let a principled stand get in the way of principles.

        1. Fake but accurate.

      3. guns getting into the wrong hands

        What, Trump is going to revive Fast and Furious?

        1. Nah man, that blonde dude is dead.

          1. Never do 90 on a hairpin turn.

            The more you know….

            1. Never do 90 on a hairpin turn.

              Especially in a car with old tires that’s been sitting in a garage for a long time.

      4. Sweet, sweet love down by the fireplace?

      5. With all the fear democrats are feeling, this would be the best time to disarm them.

      6. “marriage licenses being taken way, ”

        Ha ha ha. Trump, hardcore social conservative.

    4. I’m so over all the self righteousness.

      Self-awareness level: non-existent

      1. I’ve always wondered why people glommed to nonexistent over inexistent. It scans better.

    5. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!1!111!!!!1!!!!!!!

    6. He seems to be saying that Hillary Clinton’s supporters didn’t vote often enough for her; 2-3x per supporter just wasn’t enough to push her fat ass over the finish line.

    7. “So what did we do? We’ve given a billionaire who hasn’t paid taxes the most power of ANY PRESIDENT SINCE THE 40’s.”

      Well gee, who was it who spent the last eight years watching the president overstep his authority again and again? Who was it who praised that president for his “pen and phone” governance?

      Maybe Trump’s election wouldn’t be such a catastrophe if the presidency were a fairly weak position, huh? It’s almost like our Constitution was designed to prevent power from being concentrated too heavily into the hands of one individual. Imagine that!

  11. Worse use of a title ever was an ex-client of a startup I worked at. The fucker had his employees refer to him as Col. Asswipe because he was retired military and he thought he should still be called by his rank.

    Worse yet, I found out later that he retired as a Lt. Col from the National Fucking Guard.

    As an ex-enlisted man, I loved calling him by his first name whenever I could.

    Yeah, we have no hereditary or lifetime titles in the US. Get over yourself.

    1. Hey, I do that too! I demand to be known as Cpl. Chipwooder.

      Our ranks are illustrious – such luminaries from Klinger to Hitler have earned the title of corporal.

      1. Hey! Corporal was as far as I ever advanced too!

        It was a great rank. Just high enough to catch the real shit jobs, and just low enough not to have to be in charge of organizing the shit jobs. Lance Coolie with a Light Duty Chit was how we referred to it.

        1. You know who else was a corporal?

          1. Javier Hernandez. Great guy.

      2. When I’m Supreme Overlord, I’ll make you Czar of woodchippers. You’re aiming too low.

    2. His surname wasn’t Clink, right? A good family friend and leader in the community had the surname Slaughter and held the rank of Sargent. That’s pretty much the only time I think it would be appropriate/acceptable to apply your rank/title broadly outside the military.

      1. Or Mustard maybe? I’d certainly rather be Col. Mustard rather than Mr. Mustard.

        1. perhaps it was just Brad “Colonel” Muster.

        2. You could be Mean Mr. Mustard.

      2. Don’t forget Major Major Major Major from Catch-22.

        1. Ah, catch 22, when it was cool to be skeptical of power.

          1. It’s still cool. And the fact that only some weirdo libertarians get it proves that it must be so.

      3. I had a teacher long ago whose name was Richard Head. He always lamented the fact that he never made it in the military – he wanted to get to the rank of Major…

        1. My brother went to school with a kid from China named Huang Dong.

    3. The only time you should be called “colonel” is with a fake Kentucky accent, whilst sipping a mint julep on the front porch….in a rocking chair.

    4. we have no hereditary or lifetime titles in the US.

      What about “Doctor”?

      1. Oh man, Ph.Ds who demand to be called Doctor are the absolute worst.

  12. I’m assuming this has made the rounds

    http://www.infowars.com/report…..al-aliens/

    1. I saw it yesterday, but can’t confirm if there’s any truth to it. I mean if there was, CNN would be all over it, right?

    2. Hadn’t seen that, but I saw this one this morning. Funny how every election in which an R wins is automatically “stolen” yet when the D wins “the people have spoken! Mandate from the masses! THE. MASSES. YOU TEATHGLIKKKAN TALIBAN MOTHERFUCKERS LOST, GET OVER IT!11!11!!!!!”

  13. I AM YOUR COMMENTATOR

  14. Oh who gives a flying flaming fuck. Titles are bullshit anyway.

  15. I went to a meet and greet with my Rep in Congress once and didn’t shake his hand.

    The guy actually looked pissed at that.

    I told him “Its cold and flu season and you’ve been shaking hands all day” and he still acted as though I committed some grave insult to his position.

    1. its kind of like when you don’t laugh at a clown and the clown thinks you have a problem not his act.

      1. if you don’t laugh at the clown, then it is a scary clown, and you are required to panic.

  16. HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT FAIL US, WE FAILED HILLARY CLINTON.

    AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    It’s absolutely insane. It’s a cult, it really is. Hillary Clinton was some sort of messianic figure to these people, and the ignorant, hateful troglodytes went and crucified her rather than let her allow her to lead them into a glorious enlightenment. Now, it’s just a matter of time before The Beast, in the form of a Rich White Man, destroys the world.

    I really am a little surprised that there haven’t been suicides.

    1. Surprised? Or disappointed?

      1. Honestly, surprised. I have friends who I think do on some level want to see some of the worst of these people go full tard and kill themselves after some of the hate and vitriol they’ve spewed and condoned over the past eight years. For my part, I see these people as tragic victims who need help and pity. They’re brainwashed, or damaged, or both.

        1. For my part, I see these people as tragic victims who need help and pity. They’re brainwashed, or damaged, or both.

          They can’t be saved. They’ve lost the ability to perceive reality as it is without seeing through their leftist ideological lens. They are the enemies of civilization and only for a very very very small number of them can that be changed. The only reason I bother to argue with those people is on the off-chance that my argument might sway some bystander from being poisoned by their progressive worldview.

          1. Another plus of setting California adrift: droves of progressives abandoning our benighted shores to take up residence in the progressive utopia, Calizuela.

    2. I thought it was white wiminz and their hidden internal misogyny that failed the Cankle Beast?

    3. I really am a little surprised that there haven’t been suicides.

      Same. I’ve seen so many fragile LGBTQWERTY++ people freaking out about not knowing how they’re going to be able to go on in this world.

      1. I am/was actually a bit distressed about it. Not to draw too big of a parallel or make any insinuations that events which occurred did not occur but or that we should do something about it; Trump gets elected, dozens off themselves, and anything remotely ascribable to Trump gets demonized on into history.

        Even one of them setting themselves on fire could reek some havoc.

        1. I would like to think that there are enough people who would say good riddance to the fragile snowflakes, but that may be wishful thinking.

          1. I think you’re right. But I could see optics and lensing distorting things as well. We are, in no way, immune to uninformed and even counter-factual panic. “Teen kills self because Trump won’t let xer use bathroom.” is all kinds of idiotic but I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if it got all kinds of play.

        2. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people have offed themselves, if you’re willing to go by vague accounts of unnamed friends of friends.

        3. None of them have the conviction to do something like light themselves on fire. That’s reserved for people and causes that have honest-to-god problems instead of made up hissy fit problems. It’s the last resort, when you can’t even open your mouth to protest without being killed. Pay attention when people start doing this sort of thing.

        4. they will never set themselves on fire; air pollution, global warning, gasoline is a fossil fuel, and all that jazz.

    4. Much as I am loath to bring more attention to Lena Dunham, the bit excerpted from her asinine “newsletter” omitted the best part, when she declared that Hillary’s greatness was so overwhelming that she “easily surpassed Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford, and Steve Jobs”

    5. Democracy has spoken so even though Clinton won the popular vote you won’t have her to kick around any more. Too bad. The right-wing rage machine is going to have to satiate itself on the media, Lena Dunham, SJWs, CNN, Black Lives’ Matter, NPR, and the Left. You know, people with real power. I’m not sure it’s enough.

      1. Please don’t feed the troll.

        1. Are you the official Reason.com thought police? Fuck you, you fascist.

          1. Responding to a request for voluntary inaction by applying the fascist label to the person asking for people to voluntarily not act . This is like the perfect encapsulation of the socialist mind at work.

            1. Hmm, too double negative for me. My position as a libertarian is that I simply can scroll past posts written by right-wingers without labeling them as trolls.

              1. Hmm, too double negative for me.

                Yes, we’re well aware that you have reading comprehension problems.

                My position as a libertarian is that I simply can scroll past posts written by right-wingers without labeling them as trolls.

                But your position as a troll is such that you can’t scroll past them without giving a reply designed to bring about an emotional response. My god, how do these two halves of you coexist? With all of this internal confusion I bet you have a tough time holding down a job or remembering to pay your mortgage.

              2. You’re a libertarian like Her Imperial Majesty Hillary I is President-elect. In other words, not.

          2. Aw, not taking the loss well, huh? There’s always Cuba for you. You ran that blockade once already, right?

        2. But his flailing about is ADORABLE!

    6. HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT FAIL US, WE FAILED HILLARY CLINTON.

      They need to do the honorable thing. Seppuku is the traditional choice when you fail your feudal lord, but jumping off a bridge is sufficient in the 21st century.

  17. Well, look at this. McCain has a sore ass because Hillary lost and now he can’t join her in running arms to the Syrian ‘rebels’.

    McCain has a pain

    People of Arizona, what the fuck is wrong with you?

    1. They did kick Arpaio to the curb, so maybe they’re learning, albeit slowly.

      1. They also elected Jeff Flake to the Senate, they just can’t seem to get rid of that cancerous tumor. I suspect McCain will be in the Senate until the day he dies.

  18. In America, being a common man should be nobility enough. It’s a shame more politicians today apparently don’t agree.

    Sexist

  19. Many public officials probably know the story of Lucius Qunctius Cincinnatus, who was plucked from his farm and appointed dictator during an hour of Roman crisis.

    Cincinnatus is the exception that proves the rule. He’s remarkable because of what he didn’t do, that almost everyone else does. He was such an exception to the rule that he remains famous well over two thousand years later.

    1. And get twisted around.

  20. You might ask the Kennedys about hereditary titles and offices. Or the Bushes, Tafts, Clintons, Murkowskis, Carnahans, Cuomos, Nunns, Daleys, Gores, Longs, Murphys, Jacksons…….and hell, that’s just the ones I can think of right off the top of my head in 30 seconds.

    1. Daleys, Madigans, Simons….and that took 5 seconds (for IL).

  21. This habit of using titles for politicians long after they’ve left office is one of my biggest pet peeves.

  22. From the NYTimes:

    “Those teams have been told to remain on standby until Mr. Trump’s transition operation has completed the legally required documents.

    In the flag-bedecked lobby of the State Department, next to the main reception desk, there is a sign that says “Transition.” It has been very quiet. The State Department confirms that, like the Pentagon and the Justice Department, it has not heard from anyone on President-elect Trump’s team, a week after the election.

    “We have not been contacted,” said John Kirby, the press secretary.”

    TRUMP is clearly already sick of his new job. Mr. TRUMP 9 days down, only 1,526 left to go. Know that those of us out here who support you for the anarchy you bring to the job think you’re doing GREAT. No matter what you do, Mr. TRUMP, my plan is to write my new Senator, Kamala Harris, and tell her to acquit on charges of your upcoming impeachment.

    1. amsoc calls for Trump to dronessassinate more brown people!

      1. God, you are such a troll. No, I kid. I don’t get it… we’re you in some way saying that Trump would assassinate a political rival trying to fire him? I wouldn’t put it past him.

        1. Is this an example of your “scrolling on by” you mentioned?

          I think a good cleansing would be fruitful. Perhaps drink a few gallons of water?

      2. Brown baby bombing boner!

    2. The bastion of honesty the NY Times huh? I wouldn’t even wrap a fish in it.

      Hey, I heard the last big Trump issue was that “Oh my God, he went to dinner without the press! He broke traditional”. Natin crisis.

      So Ass, show us on the doll were the bad man Trump touched you

  23. I totally agree with this sentiment.

    Unfortunately, Libertarians regularly call Gary Johnson “Governor Johnson”.

  24. Until everyone is calling me Lord Thundershanks of Doomcockington, Trump, Hillary and all the rest can go screw.

    1. Dumb.

      I may be a troll, but at least I don’t think idiotic gibberesh is clever.

      1. Damn, son. This election has made you even more unhinged than usual.

      2. Ah, AmSoc, the lack of a sense of humor explains so much.

        1. Have you ever met a socialist with a sense of humor? I haven’t. Especially when it comes to politics.

        2. You think what Sugar Free posted was funny or, ok, decipherable? Be honest.

          1. Yes – unless called by a silly and exaggerated title (which also cleverly refers to his own writings) he won’t call the two aforementioned dorks by theirs.

            Do try and keep up.

            Swiss Servator, J.D., ARe, AIS, ARM, SCLA, LTC (ret) USA

            1. Eh, yeah, I got it. To each their own, I guess.

              Re:LTC (ret.) how many years did a libertarian like you receive a paycheck from the federal government. Is *everyone* on this comment board either retired from or currently deployed in the military?

              1. National Guard is State, chief.

                About 4 years active, when called up to go baby sit Bosnia or muck about in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      3. Did you support hillary because she wad the most qualified national socialist for the job?

        1. No, I didn’t vote for Clinton.

    2. His Biceps for me, please.

      1. Yes, Your Biceps.

      2. His Biceps!

        *raises wine goblet*

  25. The English used to be fairly profligate with awarding hereditary titles, but after WW2 switched to creating life peers, people who were nobility for the remainder of their lives but those titles were not inheritable.

    1. Peer Male Gaze of the Realm.

  26. “All of this title promiscuity runs contrary to the Constitution?which stipulates, in Article I Section 9, that “no title of nobility shall be granted by the United States.”

    They could not have foreseen….!

  27. The entire “Not my president” spiel never really made sense to me. The presidency is just a job. Whoever wins is the president of that country. Whether you voted for him/her doesn’t really matter. They’re still the president.

    But, the entire my president thing seems to have this really creepy assumption at its root. Like the president isn’t just somebody in charge of the government, but your personal god-king/queen. And by denying them you’re somehow striking a blow against them.

    Otherwise, I really can’t understand what “not my president” even means.

    1. It means they are relinquishing their US citizenship, and promise to never again vote, or speak out like they are protected by the first amendment.
      And while I am wishing, I want a pony.

  28. As one who was an independent before fully realizing the virtue of Libertarianism, I have never been swayed by either team red or blue.

    But my lack of interest in the teams has conflicted with a part of my nature that has and will always love America; even when it seems filled to the brim with hate and derp. I still will dutifully love my country not for what it is per say but what it should be, what it is supposed to be.

    Part of how I balance my disdain with red and blue while still being pro-America is by often (jokes and sarc aside) speaking of the president with respect and using the proper titles. It was obvious from an early age that neither side (of the pleb support) could show proper respect to the opposition leader — for me it has always been: President Clinton, President Bush, President Obama and it will be President Trump. Respect, like virtue, is fostered by habit, I use titles to keep me on the road of respect. The other side always scoffs when you use an honorific for the guy they hate, and they will assume you are a supporter.

    I just like to believe that any president who gave me an order that was just, I’d respond, “Yes sir, Mr. President.” It’s almost a romantic notion I carry, that has nothing to do with the active players, it’s just how I’d prefer the whole thing to work.

  29. Titles are sooo over rated.

    1. Too true, Rufus of Flan-Fondling.

    2. +1 Captain B.J. Smethwick in a white wine sauce with shallots, mushrooms and garlic.

  30. RE: Trump Is Not My President, and Clinton Is Not Our Secretary

    That’s too bad.
    I would’ve fired them both in no time.

  31. It is annoying as shit to hear the media and others in their interactions continue to use these titles. But of course, statist shitbags like Gingrich relish in it and would discourage the discontinuation of this custom.

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  34. I don’t really have a president anyway. I’m a civilian. I am a citizen. I work in the private sector. The President of the United States performs an executive leadership role for government. I don’t get the followers. But then, I don’t cheer at sports events, don’t go to concerts, don’t do fads. I’ve never been to a Starbucks. I think Jim Webb would have been an okay president, or maybe Rand Paul. Gave money to Johnson-Weld (not a good name combo, BTW), until they went all Gaystapo on wedding cakes and Weld started saying things that were decidedly non-libertarian on 2nd amendment (and probably other issues as well…that’s just when I stopped paying attention and stopped sending money). I think I could support Alice Cooper.

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