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Will Trump Supporters Like What They Get?

Trade wars and debt increases loom on the horizon.

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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." So wrote H.L. Mencken a century ago. In our form of democracy, though, the people often don't get what they want. But with the election of Donald Trump, that is about to change.

Among the central elements of the U.S. Constitution are checks and balances, achieved through separation of powers. The idea, James Madison wrote, is that "ambition must be made to counteract ambition."

By design, Congress is a restraint on the president. The president has tools to contain Congress. The Supreme Court, whose members are chosen by the other two branches, has the last word on what they do.

"In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men," explained Madison, "the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself."

The scheme is the source of chronic frustration born of stalemate. Presidents fail to keep their promises because Congress rebels. Congress can't enact its agenda because it lacks the votes to override vetoes. And even if they can agree on what to do, their plans may die in the Supreme Court.

The beauty of a parliamentary system is efficiency. If you elect a party that promises to take some action, you can bet the action will be taken. The prospect of getting what you vote for concentrates the mind on what you really want.

Our system encourages voters to be less careful, because winning candidates often fall short of their proclaimed intentions. Barack Obama's 2009 stimulus package had to be smaller than liberal economists urged so it could pass. He got health care reform, only to see the Supreme Court invalidate significant portions. In 2008, his supporters voted for "hope and change," but the ensuing change was glacial and dispiriting.

Things will be different for President Trump. His party controls both houses of Congress, and he will get to restore the Supreme Court's Republican-appointed majority. The constitutional checks will be largely irrelevant. Trump and his party will be free to do what they campaigned on. Voters who didn't take their plans literally may be surprised when they come to pass.

A trade war is imminent because Trump has vowed to scrap the Trans-Pacific Partnership, signed by Obama, while threatening to levy a 45 percent tariff on Chinese goods and abandon NAFTA. Obamacare will be history. The nuclear deal with Iran is a dead letter.

Construction will start on a border wall with Mexico, and the government will step up efforts to deport undocumented immigrants. Tax cuts to boost economic growth will become law.

His supporters may cheer each achievement. But they may not be so pleased when they go to Wal-Mart or Home Depot and find that Trump's tariffs have raised the price of everything from clothing to power tools.

He tweeted that instead of Obamacare, "we will have MUCH less expensive and MUCH better healthcare." Some of his supporters may miss the Affordable Care Act when they lose their coverage. What will they think when they have to pay more for something they like less?

How will Trump's followers feel when Iran resumes the nuclear weapons program that Obama's deal halted—or if the United States and Israel launch a war against Iran in response?

What will they say when Mexico refuses to pay for that wall? Or when it turns out that, as an editorial in The Wall Street Journal noted, deporting all the undocumented foreigners "would demand the departure, on average, of 84 buses and 47 chartered flights every day for two years"—which isn't going to happen?

Trump can promise 4 percent annual GDP growth year in and year out, but he has no clue how to produce it. Trump supporters dismayed by the huge increase in the federal debt since 2008 should brace for an even bigger one under him.

If Trump's plans lead to failure or disaster, he and the Republican Party will own the results. And the voters who put their faith in him will have no one to blame but themselves.

They may come to understand the wisdom of Oscar Wilde. "There are only two tragedies in life," he wrote. "One is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."

© Copyright 2016 by Creators Syndicate Inc.

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  1. Will Chapman continue to be a fucking retard and write shitty articles? Guess we’ll have to wait and see formthat too.

    1. The answer to your question is an obvious yes. Some of the authors here really need to go away, this whole election they have been wrong, wrong, wrong. Then again, you could say that about 90 percent of the political analysts everywhere.

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        2. The fact of the matter is that we have been getting what we want for some time now, and will continue to do so with massive public support. Surely no one here, for example, would dare to defend the “First Amendment dissent” of a single, isolated judge in our great nation’s leading criminal “satire” case? See the documentation at:

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    2. Oh, this will spread.

      The oceans of tears generated by leftist writers who pretend to libertarianism at Reason will only grow deeper as the Trump presidency progresses.

      TDS will come to be the watchword here–and given that Reason has begun dredging the leftist fever swamp of academia for writers, it may be that in a year or so the entirety of the commentariat, save the current lefty trolls, will have been banned.

      The campaign started the shift leftward, the election will accelerate it.

      1. Its not if Trump supporters like what they get, its that they will not get what they did not want.

        The chance that things might not go totally wrong overwhelmed the certainty that they would with HER.

        1. @BigW: Awkwardly phrased, but I agree wholeheartedly. My wife voted for Clinton and she doesn’t get why I’m so thrilled despite voting for Johnson. I keep telling her that with Trump there’s the definite gain of a strike against the establishment media, the end of the Clintons, and the potential to drain the swamp at the federal level. He might be a crap president, he might be surprisingly good, or he likely will just be a guy. Clinton would’ve cemented all that’s wrong with our political landscape, had said she planned to do terrible things, and had proven through her actions in the past that she would and would be able to follow through on horrible judgment and bad decisions. I’ll take an unknown over a guaranteed catastrophe every time.

        2. Of course with Hillary we would have had split government, with Democrats controlling the White House and probably the Senate, but Republicans controlling the House.

          With Trump it’s still a split government, with Republicans controlling the House and Senate and The Donald controlling the White House.

      2. Getting a dose of TDS from my GF this morning — she was going off on how the first thing the Republicans will do is cut taxes on “the wealthy”, to which I replied — “so — you think less theft is bad?”

        Finally had to say didn’t want to talk politics this morning.

        1. Gross inequality is a thing, you know. And likely to get worse. So yes, cutting taxes on the very rich is bad.

          1. It’s also something else when those who want them cut pretend to care about the national debt at the same time.

    3. I’d say we already have the answer to that one.

      -jcr

    4. I was really hoping he had drowned himself in the Chicago River. I probably shouldn’t ask for so much.

  2. Guess Xhapman is pissed that his dream candidate (Hillary) lost. Now he will be forever relegated to writing Clinton fan fiction to imagine what might have been.

    1. Before the article is dry, Chapman gets right back to the tentacle porn, and jamming weather strip down his urethra.
      I shudder to wonder how he might work Clinton into all of that.

      1. Ask Sugarfree, He can probably work that into one of his stories.

      2. In his Hentai fantasies, I assume Chapman is the princess captured by the tentacle kinster, right?

  3. “How will Trump’s followers feel when Iran resumes the nuclear weapons program that Obama’s deal halted”

    HALTED???

    WHAT

    1. How could you miss the flashing “put on deep goggles now” notice at the top of this article?

      1. *derp goggles

        Fucked up my own snark… so this is how socialists feel everyday?!

        1. The article should have had a ‘rubber boots recommended’ warning as well.

          My socks are ruined!

      2. The goggles do nuthink!

    2. I was hoping for some of those “And I’m All out of bubblegum glasses”, racist lenses, not the everybody is racist lens.

  4. I expected to sober up today after thoroughly enjoying the schadenfreude yesterday while knowing full well that trump is almost certainly a disaster in the making, but thia chapman piece is just like finding a fresh bottle of 16 year bushmills.

    The irony in this piece is wonderful. Accusing the repeal of obamacare for causing higher prices for diminished coverage is the very definition. Where the fuck has chapmam been for the last 3 years? Where was he just last MONTH? And while he’s correct on the effect of tariffs (but not where the blame will be placed) he’s alao conceniently forgetting that Obama’s climate nazis at the epa eould have had a similar impact on electricity prices.

    Yes, it’s going to be one hell of a bender if pieces like this keep coming out.

    1. I can’t figure out how everyone can be so wrong about the situation. D’s are worried about fascism from Trump, when they intentionally elevated the State and empowered them to be able to fuck us over. R’s think it’s just grand that Trump is president and can go get all those dirty brown people and take vengeance on D’s, and idiot’s like Chapman think repealing Obamacare is one of the bad possible outcomes. Whaaa?

      I’m confident many bad things will happen with Trump as President, but dirty brown people aren’t going to be shipped off en masse, trade deals are going to be torpedoed, and Trump will act like a buffoonish ass… Basically nothing that different from previous bumbling, stupid administrations (left and right).

      1. …and Trump voters are an absolutely monolithic identity group. [you can’t forget that]

    2. Yes, it’s going to be one hell of a bender if pieces like this keep coming out.

      The Irish slang meaning of that word, probably.

  5. Evidently my browser has an defect. None of the cited references appeared in this article. Just vague comments known to be incorrect.
    Oh well, maybe tomorrow.

  6. “Things will be different for President Trump. His party controls both houses of Congress”
    Dems controlled both houses when Obama won in ’08. I’m tired of your lies Chapman.

    1. Exactly – Republicans have an even smaller Senate majority too. Passing anything is going to be difficult.

      Also: working as designed.

      1. Not to mention, the Republicans in both house by and large are establishment Republicans, not Trumpians (or whatever the term is). They share the same party name and a little bit beyond and that’s about it.

        1. Trumpicans?

        2. Trump-ettes?

    2. “Things will be different for President Trump. His party controls both houses of Congress, and he will get to restore the Supreme Court’s Republican-appointed majority. The constitutional checks will be largely irrelevant. ”

      Yep, this point is idiotic. Obama had Democratic control of the Congress for two years. Chapman knows this. So, he’s just a disingenuous writer.

      1. So Hillary was disingenuous? Just call him a liar.

        1. “I don’t lie baby, I’m just careless with the truth, that’s all.” “How careless can you be?”

          1. “I did not intend to lie, it just happened”.

      2. So Hillary was disingenuous? Just call him a liar.

        1. Damn, I thought I was immune to the squirrels. Guess not.

        2. Damn, I thought I was immune to the squirrels. Guess not.

          1. OK, now they’re just messing with me.

  7. This article started out with some promise…. and completely fell apart by the end.

    How can any sane person look at the dissolution of Obamacare as a bad thing?

    1. It started with misunderstanding irony. [mencken quote]

  8. Some of his supporters may miss the Affordable Care Act when they lose their coverage. What will they think when they have to pay more for something they like less?

    Because that’s totally not happening now.

    1. And to core Democratic constituencies, no less. My teacher wife saw her $3k raise effectively vanish because of increased healthcare costs and changes made to how much the teachers have to contribute. I assure you that she was quite happy to relieve some of the burden she places on taxpayers, and eager to contribute more in the future.

      1. And most of these people haven’t experienced to full force of the high deductibles of Obamacare yet.

        1. Yeah, my deductible is still $0. It’s a Cadillac plan though, and the tax on it is going to hurt, big time.

    2. If they support him they obviously know and accept that. Some people actually prefer to make their own health care decisions.

  9. Given how amazingly wrong Reason was at predicting the Trumpslide (btw, I did predict Trump would win), you’d think they’d give idiot articles like this a rest. But no. They are going to double down on the stupid. So basically Reason is just sjw’s ok with weed, ass sex, and Mexicans

    1. For the trumpteenth time!

    2. You don’t think Chapman had this article teed up two weeks ago, just in case?

      The posting of this article was likely accompanied by a little sobbing as he deleted the masterpiece he had waiting for the other option.

  10. No, but they’ll get what they deserve!

  11. We got what we ‘wanted’, given the choices.
    JarJar Binks in a bad toupee rather than Emperor Palpatine. Should JarJar have all that power? Hell no.
    But it’s less likely that he’ll build deathstars; with Palpatine in a bad pant suit, that was pretty much a given.

    What I, personally, really wanted was a president the country could unite against in total loathing. We’re on our way.

    1. Shirley you can’t be serious.

  12. ” He got health care reform, only to see the Supreme Court invalidate significant portions”

    What portions got invalidated?

    I don’t know much about the law. I remember Obama tried to unilaterally rewrite the law during its implementation and was challenged on that, but that is a far cry from invalidating portions of the law.

    1. The forced Medicaid expansion is the only one I can think of. We should feel sorry that the meanies at SCOTUS forestalled the admin’s ability to hide the full effects of his shitty law.

    2. The Obama Administration delayed or chose not to implement portions of it. SCOTUS upheld the most egregious portions of the law, such as the individual mandate. SCOTUS also upheld the IRS’s patently ridiculous “interpretation” that authorized federal subsidies for states that did not implement insurance exchanges, in contradiction of the plain wording of the statute. That case was where we got Scalia’s famous “interpretive jiggery-pokery” description of the majority’s decision.

  13. Will Trump Supporters Like What They Get? Trade wars and debt increases loom on the horizon.

    Well, and under Clinton, I’d get all that, plus a few more wars, a few trillion dollars in “stimulus” and “green energy subsidies”, massive new taxes, and being called a privileged white cis-male hetero shitlord by Hillary’s minions (despite being a gay immigrant).

    Thanks, but on balance, I think the orange gnome with the cumstained hairpiece and his closet homosexual homophobic Christian conservative sidekick are still a better bet than a President Lardass and her Cabinet of Wailing Banshees. (I’m sorry, was that rude and sexist? Good.)

    The hubris and stupidity of the Democratic party leadership in pushing Clinton has hurt this country immensely. And we’re stuck with this for at least four years, because Democrats won’t be able to do much in the next midterm elections either.

  14. To repeal Obamacare, the Senate would have to “go nuclear” and vote to suspend the 60 vote cloture rule, which would require pretty much every Republican senator, including those up for election in swing states, to toe that line.

    Might happen, but the stupid party is also the fearful party, whereas the Democrats will collectively sacrifice their own to get bad shit done.

    1. To repeal Obamacare, the Senate would have to “go nuclear” and vote to suspend the 60 vote cloture rule,

      They only need to make it so expensive and hard to get that nobody in their right mind would choose it and no insurance company would choose to offer it. He can probably also stop enforcing various portions of the law, kind of like Obama.

      They can also come up with legislation that Democrats would find hard to turn down, such as lowering penalties and offering more alternatives.

      1. This approach would leave it on the books, ready to be resurrected when the wheel turns again, which it will.

        If the stupid party is smarter than given credit for, they burn this law to the ground, even if it costs them control of the Senate in two years.

        1. This approach would leave it on the books, ready to be resurrected when the wheel turns again, which it will.

          If the stupid party comes up with something that works better, then this won’t be an issue. If not, it hardly matters.

          even if it costs them control of the Senate in two years

          Given who’s up for reelection, almost nothing can cost the stupid party control of the Senate in two years.

          The GOP has four years to demonstrate to Americans that free market health care works better, and it doesn’t take much to make that happen, since all the pieces are already in place and it all can be done via loosening regulations.

      2. You’re assuming Trump gives a shit about ObamaCare.
        It’s impossible to predict which of he stated policies he’s actually serious about, but I doubt that the ACA is going to make the top of the list.

        That said, if the R’s passed a repeal, he would probably sign it.

      3. But nobody on the fiscal right has ever had an alternative to Obamacare.
        And Medicare vouchers are even totally stupid.

        1. But nobody on the fiscal right has ever had an alternative to Obamacare.

          Sure: European systems like those found in Germany or Switzerland would work just fine. Those are expressly two-tiered systems that encourage everybody who can afford it to buy long-term private health insurance independent of their employer, and give everybody else a low-end, limited fallback plan.

          Transition Medicare and Medicaid gradually to that fallback plan, and cut costs and spending radically to the point where it is at the same level as European plans.

          1. That’s almost as bad as Cato’s. No skin in the game.
            Why transition slowly, when you can cut Medicare costs by maybe 25% almost immediately. Give seniors skin in the game GIVING them 25% of everything they save by shopping around. Medicare savings accounts (optional) would allow seniors to deal with the growing number of providers who give discounts as high as 50% or more for paying cash.

            And none of that addresses the cause of our high healthcare costs. We’re the only place that will spend $250,000 or more for just a few more months of life, Roughly half of ALL our healh care spending is in the last 2-3 years of life.

            1. That runs smack into the face of certain groups in the GOP, who see spending whatever it takes to keep someone alive for a few months more as a moral imperative.

              1. A market solution is almost obvious, but Cato and the establishment (Reason and Mercatus) don’t know shit about markets OR health care.. In the days of Hillarycare, half our healthcare costs were in the final ONE year of life. What’s changed is Americans who sign Living Wills.

                The obvious solution is to graciously allow health insurers to offer discounts for Living Wills. To get much business they’d have to combine with a special life insurance. One could pocket health insurance savings for one’s entire life, change one’s mind at the end and CHOOSE whether the life insurance goes to their heirs or quadruple bypass. This is NOT rocket science, except to the lib establishment.

                For Medicare, you’d get a sum of money added to your estate when you die .. which you could also exchange for that triple bypass. OPTIONAL.

                That was recommended here by a named Hihn, who is HATED by the cult. It was published in 1994! So, yeah, I laugh at the goobers with Hihn.

                Libertarian Moment? Sure, for goobers and bellowing blowhards.

                As more Americans opt for Living Wills, the costs of NOT doing so will slowly increase on those who refuse. Eventually, the wacky fringe of socons will pay their own life extensions, instead of sucking off everyone else like they do now.

                We’ll get CLOSE to what the single-payer economies spend, but with free choice NOT rationing.

                Simple enough? 1994.

  15. The beauty of a parliamentary system is efficiency. If you elect a party that promises to take some action, you can bet the action will be taken. The prospect of getting what you vote for concentrates the mind on what you really want.

    The “beauty” of the parliamentary system is also that it gives you people like Hitler, and installs them as dictators even when the majority of the people don’t want them. Of course, a bunch of political extremists hashing out the future of the country in backrooms is what people like Chapman really want for the country.

    The fact that the US doesn’t have a parliamentary system like European nations is one of its great strengths.

  16. Will Trump voters get what they want?

    Yes, if what they wanted was prog tears, otherwise I am skeptical.

    Also, why hasn’t someone tried a joke about if they try sometimes they might find they get what they need?

    1. How ’bout “Be careful what you pray vote for- you just might get it”?

  17. Obamacare as we know it was going to end regardless of who won.

    Given that the GOP is the party of Medicare and Social Security, I can hardly wait to see what budget busting monster they replace Obamacare with.

  18. Or when it turns out that, as an editorial in The Wall Street Journal noted, deporting all the undocumented foreigners “would demand the departure, on average, of 84 buses and 47 chartered flights every day for two years”?which isn’t going to happen?”

    Maybe he doesn’t have to literally deport them all for them to return.

    1. Maybe he doesn’t have to literally deport them all for them to return.

      Just cutting all government benefits/services (driver’s licenses, schools, etc.) would do the trick.

      1. Just cutting all government benefits/services (driver’s licenses, schools, etc.) would do the trick.

        They pay taxes, but that’s just inconvenient to the Trumpsters,

  19. Why is there an article espousing efficient government on Reason?

    Despite Trump being elected as a Republican, he’s going to be forced to act as a 3rd party president, and I’m going to be really grateful if everybody digs in their heels and just says ‘no’.

    I’ve never suffered once from a government shut down, though I’ve often suffered when it’s brought back up. Maybe a four year shut down will finally put a stake in our current instantiation of the federal government.

  20. To get 4% growth, all Trump needs to do is end the Church of Global Warming war on energy. The savings and efficiencies gained by eliminating solar and wind subsidies, and regulations on the emissions of plant food, would dramatically increase economic growth.

    Drill, baby, drill!

  21. Obama began with both houses of Congress too.

  22. I was sort of with him until he started talking about Obamacare. I’m kind of new here, so that’s when my proggy sensors started lighting up.

    1. Welcome aboard. Remember that uncontrollable vomiting is normal here, but it does get better after a while. Do not taunt the squirrels for they are subtle and quick to anger.

  23. Um, it was my understanding that Trump won *in spite of* the Republican Party leadership. This would seem to indicate that Republicans in Congress won’t be fully supportive of Trump, especially of his really off-the-wall ideas. They’ll play politics as usual, and only go along with Trump if he does something for them. And I’m not sure that Trump is all that good at the art of compromise. So Trump’s slam dunk pathway is far from clear of obstacles, even with a Republican-controlled congress. Plus, intentionally or not, Trump will do some good, if only because he’ll let some things take care of themselves instead of interfering, as Clinton surely would have.

    1. Every single anti-Trump GOP Senator got more votes in their states than Trump. They don’t need him and we already know they reject most of his bullshit agenda. Odds are that they’ll impeach him to get Pence in charge. Unless he’s in jail before the inauguration, which is quite possible.

      And SCOTUS has already ruled that Presidents can be impeached for things they did before getting elected. (The Paula Jones case)

  24. We will certainly like what we got over what we could have ended up with.

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  26. more derp please. I love it!

  27. For the last several decades I’ve seen the Republicans move to the left of JFK. I’ve seen the MASSIVE investing of Power at the Federal level.This election has seen the establishment Republicans get it in the ass,and then most of whom seemed to move toward Hillary, perhaps a few toward the Libertarians only to have the VP candidate kneel before the Ice Queen. I’ve seen other libertarian minds I’ve enjoyed listening to swerve into far right nut-land. Reason itself has veered toward Hillary. I guess in the past I’ve found Albert Nock’s misanthropy to be too harsh for my tastes. Now I think he was right on the money. Inside the vast majority of people is the core of Statism. The desire to be left alone applies only to them, but when the chips are down, they’ll kiss the boots hoping they’ll find another neck to stand on. People are stupid. People are afraid. People are so superstitious that they NEED to believe in the super-ordinate even though it proves itself again and again to be nothing more than an idiot behind a curtain.

  28. He tweeted that instead of Obamacare, “we will have MUCH less expensive and MUCH better healthcare.” Some of his supporters may miss the Affordable Care Act when they lose their coverage. What will they think when they have to pay more for something they like less?

    What do they think right now when they have to pay much, much more for something that doesn’t pay off until they have spent ~$5,000 – $20,000 of their own money in premiums and deductables?
    .

    Trump can promise 4 percent annual GDP growth year in and year out, but he has no clue how to produce it.

    That’s still better than Obama, who was apparently perfectly content with sub-2% annual growth while he dicked around with hiding the actual unemployment rate.

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  31. Hope you’re wrong and Congress doesn’t cooperate with Trump. The only good thing Trump offered over Clinton is that he seemed willing to work with Putin and not get the world into another war. Going after Iran, however, will guarantee it. I wouldn’t be concerned over the economic damage if it were limited to the US but its going to screw the entire planet.

    Clinton and Trump where the best you American’s could do? The Presidents just seem to get worse and worse every cycle.

  32. Trump will be like a box of chocolates for many, you won’t know what you’ve got until you bite into it.

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