Archie and Jughead Get Weird
Liberated from the Comics Code, the Riverdale gang finds new ways to be strange.


I'm afraid I botched a prediction pretty badly back in 2011. I was writing about the news that Archie Comics was dumping the Comics Code, a set of rules the industry had adopted in the '50s to stave off the threat of government censorship, and in the process I said this:
Don't worry, the kids of Riverdale aren't about to endure a darker, edgier reboot. You just don't need the Comics Code Authority's seal of approval to know what you're getting when you buy an Archie comic book.
Since then, the folks at Archie HQ have branched out in a bunch of different directions, and some of those branches definitely aspire to dark-and-edgy status. There's a whole "Archie Horror" line, featuring a gory zombie comic called Afterlife with Archie and a second series called Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. The latter is not, I gather, sitcom material:

There is also a non-horror series in which Archie's gay pal Kevin becomes a senator and Archie dies stopping his assassination. Today I learned about a bizarre new comic in which Archie and his friends travel back in time to meet the Ramones. And the entertainment press has started buzzing about Riverdale, an upcoming Archie TV show whose tone is being compared to film noir and Twin Peaks. That's a television series, not a comic, but it's gonna spawn a comic-book version too.
If you prefer the wholesome Archie that your grandparents grew up with, don't fret: Those comics are still coming out too. (Needless to say, these stories all take place in different timelines. The Archieverse is a multiverse.) So the gritty stuff isn't squeezing out the old Archie; it's an addition rather than a replacement. The death of the Comics Code has given us more choice and plenitude, which as far as I'm concerned is a good thing. I'm just sorry I didn't have the foresight to see just where the post–Comics Code Archie would be heading.
Bonus links: Dark Archie may be a new development, but Weird Archie certainly isn't. Check out Al Hartley's right-wing, evangelical Archie comics from the '70s, which among other wonderfully strange moments featured Betty denouncing Darwinism in the schools:

The Christian Archie stories were produced by a separate company, called Spire—and Spire, interestingly, eschewed the Comics Code seal of approval, just like the Archie Horror folks do today. The Christian Archie comics were therefore able to allude explicitly to sex, drugs, and other subjects barred from the mainstream Archie line. And they did!

Another flavor of Weird Archie manifested itself in the 2001 film Josie and the Pussycats, which is part conspiracy movie and part self-aware anti-corporate satire. And if unsanctioned parodies count, there's the underground cartoonists Jay Kinney and Paul Mavrides' 1979 classic "Kultur Documents," in which Archie and Jughead are reimagined as Anarchie and Ludehead, a couple of punk rockers rebelling against the hippies. Little did we know that one day the characters who inspired them would be hanging out with the Ramones.
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Looks like Cherry Poptart was a little ahead of her time, no?
Thanks, guys. I came here to post about that. One of my regrets is that I didn't buy that life-size Cherry-as-Barbarella cutout they had in a local comic book store which has since closed.
When Cherry comics first came out she was in high school, then during the Reagan/Meese years they had to retcon that to junior college. Look for subtle changes in lettering in second editions where HS is changed to CC in both dialogue and signage.
I'm sure readers were closely scrutinizing those comics...to see if there were any subtle changes in lettering.
Only question? does Jughead keep his whoopee cap in all these iterations?
He keeps it in his own series, and I'm pretty sure he keeps it in the zombie series as well.
Also, thanks for that. I had always wondered what that style of hat was called.
You'll probably enjoy reading this.
That was excellent.
Thanks!
Today I learned about a bizarre new comic in which Archie and his friends travel back in time to meet the Ramones.
The result? Nick Gillespie.
lol
There's some cultural appropriation in those comics, somewhere, I know it. The stuff is everywhere and is the greatest threat our country is facing right now.
Also, not enough ethnic diversity!
I have a one-off comic where the Punisher goes to Riverdale. It's...cute.
What's the problem, you don't recognize that word?
I refuse to recognize it.
I figured any reference to 'Spawn' would be what would trigger people.
To the Maxx!
would you prefer goown
I refuse to recognize it.
The squirlz agree
See? That settles it.
So you're the one standing athwart language yelling "forstoppian"?
Well, for as long as they pay me to do that.
as in "but it's goown spawn a comic-book version too."
Well, it IS gonna.
I prefer "gwine".
And the entertainment press has started buzzing about Riverdale, an upcoming Archie TV show whose tone is being compared to film noir and Twin Peaks.
If they turn Jughead into a Spicoli/Maynard G Krebs hybrid, I might watch.
+1 Dobie Gillis.
You really dated yourself with that comment.
Slightly OT: I thought it hilarious, a co-worker and I were discussing Dobie Gillis after that comment, and I looked th show up to re-familiarize myself and saw that a semi-regular guest star on the show was none other than Tuesday Weld, cousin of William Weld, the Libertarian VP candidate. Small(ish) world.
First cousin of Wednesday Addams?
Hey, it's not like anyone else would date him.
Did the creators get bored of it finally?
I find this cover intriguing and hilarious.
There is also a non-horror series in which Archie's gay pal Kevin becomes a senator and Archie dies stopping his assassination.
The fuck?
Serious thought being given to getting high & reading this one.
All I know about Archie is that it was THE WORST Saturday morning cartoon, EVAH!
I dunno, Cathy was really damned bad.
I had no idea Archie was still a thing. I had no idea Archie was a thing any later than...well, I don't know exactly, but some indeterminate point in the past well before I was born...maybe 1958 or thereabouts.
I spent my entire childhood thinking that Archie was a Christian comic, because those were the ones my grandma would bring as a present. Not a comic book kid, I.
There was one story where Reggie believes he is the center of the world, that it was all created for him. This is what my mind flashed to years later when Low End Theory came out and Phife says, "I never walk the streets thinking it's all about me, even though deep in my heart it really could be."
Oh yes, this the Archie of my childhood. Poor, deluded Hindu.
How can you discuss weird Archie comics without mentioning:
Archie Meets the Punisher
Um, I did, earlier in the thread. I have that one.
I find it odd that Shackford glossed over the fact that the story of this comic was intended as a gun control screed, as Kevin (a gay married military vet turn senator!) was targeted due to his advocacy for gun control after his partner was involved in a shooting incident on the mean streets of Riverdale. Scott's description makes it seem as if the boycott of Archie Comics was solely motivated from homophobia. That's not Scott "Love Shack" Shackford's usual M.O. from what I have seen. I haven't picked up any title from Archie Comics since, and it has nothing to do with homophobia.
I mean, ask the gays what they post and what they read, in, not only in Hit and Run, but many of these blogs, and then you tell me ? who's your friend, Heroic Mulatto or Crusty Juggler?
Shackford?
Yes. Walker at least linked to an article that at least detailed the story of said comic. Shackford didn't provide as much context.
I'm amazed you remember that Shackford wrote an article about this back in 2012, and not necessarily in a good way.
It's linked in Jesse's article, man!
I don't even remember what I had for lunch yesterday.
You need to take care of you're memory problem or else your gonna lose you're mind.
I don't even remember what I had for lunch yesterday.
So the earlier double post wasn't squirrels.
That's not Scott "Love Shack" Shackford's usual M.O.
Or Jesse Walker's!
This is exactly why yokeltarians just attribute every story to RAISIN's official editorial policy.
My best guess is that this is a parody of a John-comment
I apologize, Scott's referring to an earlier issue. Scotty "Love Shack" continues his record of being a stand-up guy.
now you're weirding me out
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!!
Ask the gays.
Which one confessed to liking the Winnie the Pooh ride at Disney? I think it was Shackford.
Mi ricordi, Scott. Je me souviens.
Uh, what happened to Veronica's tight dress?
Meh - let me know when a character shows up called Juggfuck.
(I stole this joke from Virginia Postrel).
...who is not known for having a sense of humor, which of course makes it even funnier.
She hired Nick, so there must be something there.
That actually makes it fucking hilarious.
This shit . . . this shit right here - shows the power of brands.
None of this crap *needs* to be in an 'Archie' comic - most of it has no plausible connection to the core characters - but Archie is a recognized name and so they're attaching everything they can to that name in hopes that the name gets people to buy this stuff.
And people still think companies routinely devalue the long-term value of their brand in order to make short-term gains.
Or maybe, just maybe, the hardcore fanbase is glad to see their beloved childhood characters freed from the shackles of the Comics Code. I mean, that shit was always self-parody.
Maybe - I'm not knocking this here. Its not to my taste but its being done with Archie *precisely* because its a well-known brand and this sort of thing gets (electronic) ink and more importantly eyeballs on the subject. Something that wouldn't happen if these stories were set in a totally new IP.
The reason this stuff is newsworthy is not because these are great stories, good art, none of that. Its newsworthy because its Archie.
"I'm afraid I botched a prediction pretty badly back in 2011."
Hey, it's a new era of journalism, people in the media don't admit their mistakes anymore, they just spout off talking points and hope nobody notices of the talking point of one day conflicts with the talking point of another day.
nobody notices *if*
Cross over comic idea:
Sabrina has some weird magic mishap results in Archie Andrews and Archie Bunker getting switched for a week.
You're a madman.
But Aaaarrrchhhhiiiiieeeeee.......
That chick on the cover of the Sabrina comic?
Wood.
Aye
Well of course she's made of wood, she's a witch!
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
"So, we need to make Archie more edgy. Let's have a gay person..."
"Ooh, we out one of the main characters as gay?"
"No, stupid, not *that* edgy. We give one of the main characters a gay friend, and have the gay guy killed."
Except the friend survived and the main character died.
I'm *so* unhip.
To paraphrase Jesse Walker, I'm afraid I botched my analysis pretty badly back on October 26, 2016.
What a fucking dick!
Look, he never got that threeway - he's just ensuring that the door isn't closed in case there's life after death.
Christ, what an asshole.
A dick because, as usual, it could not be told which "you" was meant, or plural "you"? So they could argue ad infinitum? That's hilarious!
Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step, Eddie.
If we're going to talk about the Archies going back in time to meet the Ramones, we should probably mention the Riverdales, which is punk rock band from yesteryear that imagined itself as what would happen if the Archies were in the Ramones or if the Ramones went to Riverdale High with the Archies.
Here's one of their underground hits, "I'm Not Mentally Retarded".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF7Gd2Webk
The Riverdales are essentially just Screeching Weasel after Ben Weasel finally just gave in and went full on Ramones.
It bugs me that they had such a thing for the Ramones when they were self-evidently a superior band.
i always thought archie comics were for girls. Or, i guess it was unisex, which was still too girly for me. I only read violent, manly, homoerotic comics, like Sgt Rock and Conan the Barbarian.
Surprising and unsurprising news =
Surprising = Trump has a star on the Hollywood walk of fame
Unsurprising = look what he made them do this time
It's nice to see they apply the same agnosticism to this event that they do to anything done by Abu Mohammed Muhammed ibn Muhammad.
the expression "It was not immediately clear" is sort of like Betteridge's Law; you can assume anything it describes was immediately clear to everyone.
inflammatory rhetoric about minorities and women.
I wish they would give some actual examples of this horribly inflammatory rhetoric. I keep seeing it stated, but little in the way of actual examples.
Well, he has said lots of very inflammatory rhetoric about specific women and minorities, so by prog logic this means he hates all women and minorities. The only generally inflammatory quotes that I can recall have been his unflattering characterization of illegal immigrant Mexicans and saying (10 years ago) that women will let him do anything because he's a rich celebrity. All of the other inflammatory rhetoric I've heard has been directed at specific people.
I didn't get it either, but then I dug Speed Racer.
Wasn't that a slideshow of about five images?
It was about a mod who had a mod girlfriend, and a totally bitchin' car that could jump in the air, function as a submarine, shoot rockets at people, and win races.
And it had the best goddamn theme song ever . . . at until Lancelot Link and George of the Jungle came along.
Candy ass millennials with their fucking pikachu . . . did anybody ever get laid on that show?
My quip was about the animation techniques used on the show.
What about all the sexless panty-waists wandering around, no job, without a care in the world, like the government's supposed to take are of them?
Self-correcting problem, provided you don't feed them.
You wanna see some weird animation, watch Clutch Cargo.
Because of budgetary limitations and the pressure to create television animation within a tight time frame, the show was the first to use the "Syncro-Vox" optical printing system. Syncro-Vox was invented by Edwin Gillette, television cameraman and partner in Cambria Studios, as a means of superimposing real human mouths on the faces of animals for the popular "talking animal" commercials of the 1950s. Clutch Cargo employed the Syncro-Vox technique by superimposing live-action human lips over limited-motion animation or even motionless animation cels.
That was weird.
Watching those characters talk was like watching someone eat with their mouth open.
Lancelot Link had talking monkeys, though. And a monkey biker band that sounded like Steppenwolf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d5dKBMK5mo
You know, the guys that wrote Lancelot Link were the writers for Get Smart. The Lancelot Link scripts they used were all the scripts that were rejected by the show runner for Get Smart. That's why Lancelot acts and talks like Max. Mata Hari's parts were written for Agent 99, Darwin, Lance's boss, looks like The Chief, and even the villains are the same. The Baron is Siegfried, etc.
The story I heard was that the writers were pissed off that their scripts were being rejected. The show runner said they weren't funny enough, they couldn't be pulled off by the cast. The writers replied that a monkey could do these scripts, and the guy supposedly replied, "Go get some monkeys to do them, then".
One of the writers said, "I know a guy that trains monkeys", and the rest is animal cruelty history.
And they changed Ali Hassasin's name to Ali Ass-a-seen!
No wonder millennials suck.
The mouths moved... Just like the original Spider-Man.
Bonus - both had rocking theme songs.
He's a demon!
Does whatever!
Reading Conan doesn't make you gay. It depends on how you read it.
If you read it from the third person perspective, that's totally gay.
If you read from a first person perspective, that isn't gay. You're imagining yourself plundering, raping, and pillaging, and there isn't anything gay about that.
. . . unless you're in jail, I guess.
What if I read Conan while watching a gladiator movie set in a Turkish prison ?
Ever seen a grown man naked?
With your pants around your ankles?
That's how I watch All Girl's Garage.
Well, all those people complaining about having their yard signs taken away probably feel bad about bitching that someone just snatched the sign.
Too bad this couldn't have happened during Don DeCarlo's time.
I preferred Samm Schwartz.
Why should Archie have to go backward in time to meet the Ramones? If anything I thought he might go forward to do that.
Ponder that on the Tree of Whoa!
My fave, the The Punisher Archie crossover.
*googles Castle Betty Veronica threesome*