Gary Johnson's Millennial Appeal: Harming Trump More Than Hillary?
The James Carville/Stanley Greenberg operation "Democracy Corps" has analyzed the millennial vote for 2016, an area in which Libertarian Gary Johnson has great appeal, and concluded he's pulling more from would-be Trump votes among the millennials than harming Hillary.

The details, starting with the declaration that victory for the Democrats (which these guys want) relies on at least one relevant if: "if progressives are smart in dealing with the third party vote."
But: "according to a new web-survey of likely millennial voters in the eleven most competitive battleground states for Women's Voices Women Vote Action Fund. Democratic millennials have started to consolidate for Clinton, but their Republican contemporaries have not done the same for Trump. Gary Johnson's millennial vote is now a repository for most of those anti-Trump Republicans."
Among millennials, "Clinton now has a huge 25 point margin over Trump in a four-way race, comparable to Obama's 2012 performance with millennials in these same battleground states. Among white millennials, Clinton's margin is 14 points stronger!"
Trump's millennial pull is only 29 percent, so they conclude "Many Republican millennials are supporting Gary Johnson who is getting 14 percent of the vote." Of white millennials, Johnson is pulling 17 percent.
Self-identified Republicans in this poll of millennials are only 75 percent for Trump, with 19 percent for Johnson (as opposed to just 5 percent of self-identified Democrats who are for the Libertarian).
Strategically, these Dem operatives conclude that among millennials: "Gary Johnson's voters are mostly Republican anti-Trump voters, and progressives should allow Johnson to play that role."
Very interestingly:
Attacks on Johnson do not have much of an impact on his vote and the margin. In fact, this survey includes an experiment that shows third party voters shift 8 points to Clinton in a two-way ballot when they instead hear messages about corporate responsibility and a contrast with Trump on taxes and trickledown economics. Attacks on Johnson only produce a 1 point shift.
The trouble with any electoral strategy worrying over millennials is they tend not to vote much; as this report notes, "Our September battleground survey for WVWVAF found 71 percent of all likely voters gave the greatest possible score for enthusiasm for voting, but just 49 percent of millennials in this survey say they are extremely interested in voting this year." (Total voter turnout was around 57 percent in 2012, with millennial turnout about half of those eligible.)
The national pattern as of June showed Johnson's appeal across the board "taking" votes roughly equally from Trump and Clinton.
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The creator of the Wire uses the n-word, but it's OK because he was criticizing Trump, so everybody decided to let it slide - just kidding.
This is more racist than Gandhi.
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Give him a break. Simon's family has a history of being oppressed by the Black man.
Simon's father was one of a group of over 140 people held hostage (and later released) in Washington, D.C. by former national secretary of the Nation of Islam Hamaas Abdul Khaalis in the Hanafi Siege
Deep thoughts from Cleve R. Wootson Jr. (dafuq kind of name is that?)
Deep-dish Cubs 'W' pizza ? half-baked or stuff of genius?
So that's why commenters say that deep dish isn't pizza. It doesn't even look like one.
Correct. That is a cassarole. Delicious, perhaps, but not pizza.
Jesus... if I could throw up neatly-formed letters on top of that red stuff - this is what it would look like.
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Are you going to post this shit in every single thread?
Is this bothering you? Is this bothering you? I'm not touching you!
You flooded the Uber thread with the same exact links; why did you feel the need to do it in this thread, too? It's almost as bad as Michael Hihn corpse-fucking a thread.
Ah, but unlike Hihn, I don't pepper my links with gratuitous insults, assface.
To be fair, Eddie would never fuck anything.
I would, but "quack" means "no."
...is the kind of retarded sixth-grade joke I've grown out of telling.
Eddie, for the millionth time, "Annoying people" isn't Trolling.
Yes it is!
This guy gets it
"if progressives are smart"
Oh well. There goes that plan.
Guns in Donald Trump's America
The author, a "Professor of Sociology and Psychiatry" writing in the Huffington Post, believes that Trump ought to stand up for the Second Amendment...no, not really.
Gary Johnson writes about "My Foreign Policy Vision"
That's interesting.
There's a video out about his foreign policy, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VikLK_lE9xA
It's better than the foreign policy we're pursuing now.
The Wall Street Journal just put up a piece about Johnson and Weld, which I thought was pretty fair.
"The Libertarians Make Their Case"
http://www.wsj.com/articles/th.....1475880204
I mean, it isn't about to win Weld any friends from inside the libertarians movement, but it's generally fair in terms of how it portrays libertarians to a non-libertarian audience.
. . . and that's the audience we're gunning for at this point, right?
Right.
paywall keeps me out of the link. wsj must be on team Trump
Google the title and pull it up from there to get around the paywall.
No shit. It's like he doesn't even surf the webs.
It isn't really a paywall.
It's more like a google search wall.
They want you to find it by google search.
If they didn't, they wouldn't make it available that way.
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Is everyone psyched for Eddie's Cover Band Countdown?
I didn't hear any objections, so I'll treat that as enthusiastic consent.
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The Who?
Barracuda
Barracuda.
Great aong. Horrible band. Girl would.
Only the best/worst for my devoted followers.
Silk Road, oops, I mean Deutsche Bank getting the stick not the carrot.
Bully-boy tactics or condign punishment? Last year, the US Department of Justice fined General Motors $900m for hiding an ignition switch defect that resulted in at least 174 deaths. Now it proposes to fine Deutsche Bank $14bn for mis-selling mortgage-backed bonds. It doesn't take a moral philosopher to see that something is out of whack here.
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Thanks to your links I followed a link to a link to a link and about 10 links later I found myself watching a video by some "doctor" explaining his proof that Hillary's health problems are due to the fact that she died several years ago and was replaced by her clone and her clone is breaking down, you know, the way clones so often do. And he appears to be totally serious.
Goddammit, you can't just post a comment like that without leaving a link.
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The details, starting with the declaration that victory for the Democrats (which these guys want) relies on at least one relevant if: "if progressives are smart in dealing with the third party vote."
Why do I get the feeling this is more a "how do we trick third-party voters into voting for us" rather than a "what do we need to change about ourselves to make us more appealing to third-party voters"?
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and
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These euphemisms.
Professional
Maybe I should rethink my chosen profession.
Disgusting, yet fascinating.
Pulling votes is such a strange concept... Are our votes not our own? The duopolists seem to think that our votes belong to them.
There was an article today about voting third party being the height of White Privilege.
On an absolute zero of a website. Probably more clicks than they've gotten in their existence prior to today
Saying that minorities can lift themselves out of poverty without handouts from whitey is the most racist thing ever! I mean, they're clearly a bunch of untermenschen who need a big payout from their superiors- I mean, a social safety net funded by the evil one percent!
by this guy
What's odd is that this argument (by Sanders supporter Myerson) is basically identical to arguments made by the Democrat establishment about why voting for *Sanders* was an expression of "White Privilege"
What's good for the goose, or something?
Meyerson is a blithering idiot....he makes McKibben look somewhat sane.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFqfglY45kY
This was in reference to the whole article, in case that wasn't clear. As anyone who's read the PM links can attest to, I'm a touch tipsy....I'm not even sure that last sentence made any grammatical sense. Probably not. Fuck it. One to the next brew. Why do I sound like Jime Rome right now?
All jokes aside, the video brings up a serious question. Why the fuck should I care?
Maybe I'm just drunk or too stupid in general, which is more than than likely the case but, if you're truly an adherent to the philosophy of self ownership and inherent rights then why should you care about which statist pool you're drawing converts from? Unless you still believe in the concept of the lesser of two evils, and if so, why bother voting 3rd party anyway? As a protest?
I just don't understand why I should give a shit as long as a third party gets 5% of the vote to officially be recognized as a viable political party on the federal level for the next election cycle. That's the only pragmatic accomplishment attainable for libertarians this go around.
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You know who else had a mom?
Walt, Larry and Igner?
Milfred Brimley?
Sorry, the correct answer is "Winston."
No love for Milfred Brimley. Never saw Cocoon I'm guessing.
Norman Bates?
and how
I'm stealing votes from Deez Nuts
Or Hugh Mungus?
So, is Donald Trump the sort of man who would tie a 13 year old girl to a bed and repeatedly rape her?
Asking for a friend.
Trump doesn't need to tie them down. He just has to grab them by the pussy.
please, that's an exaggeration. He said, "P---y", which could very well mean....something entirely different.
Yes, he said "grab them by the palsy." He has a thing for facial paralysis.
Some people do.
I'm ... heavily involved in a certain charity. Our security costs are astronomical.
Isn't it an audio clip?
Or did he actually say "grab her by the p-dash-dash-dash-y?"
Because I would actually find that more interesting to be honest.
- Person A suggests "Its possible he's that sort of man, but i think maybe that accusation is unfounded/unwarranted and is basically a distraction from real issues...."
- Person B, C, and D then post series of smug-exchanges about how "UGH GOD LOOK AT THE FUCKING TRUMP SUPPORTERS CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITS LIKE SOME TEAM RED WANKFEST UP IN HERE NOW"
So... the Reason Commentariat?
(I keed I keed)
I miss the old anarchist vs. minarchist days around here.
"Somalia! Jefferson! Slaver! Lunatic!"
- I'm not sure it's too much different. Also, if you disagree with me, you're either a Cosmotarian, or a Cuckotarian. Or something.
Damnit straffin', what you drinking?
There is a difference between a cosmotarian and a cuckotarian? Can we get someone to rule on that?
Coffee. It's only 11am. The "Cuck" insult cracks me up. Calling a dude a "Cuck" implies that he was made a fool of by a woman and not that the woman is a slut. They didn't really think that one through.
Yeah, I thought it was short for a cuckold, which is someone whose partner is cheating on them. I thought it was sort of an insult on a man's masculinity, as in he can't satisfy a woman.
Cuckold refers to a woman being impregnated by one man, and another man, supposedly her man, raising the child as his own.
The more you know (star and rainbow with stupid music)
So Heavy Metal is for cucks...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns
"Cuck" is a fetish thing, it's about a guy watching another man fuck his wife. It's supposed to be some commentary on how you, as a 'cuck', allow and approve of your nation/people/racial identity group/whatever get fucked by whatever group the person calling you that thinks is doing the fucking. So Mexicans/Muslims/immigrants in general/Jews/etc.
Of course since this is the internet it quickly became even dumber than that.
Pretty sure the fetish thing came later, but I'm no expert. (Cough) really, I'm not.
I never figured out what kind of anarchist "Snow Shovel Police & State-Funded Abortions"-Nikki was
I miss her. She had... issues... concerning... somethings . I thought her no kids thing was weird for a libertarian; aren't we supposed to be optimists?
You can be an anti-natalist and an optimist. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I only saw her talk about that once but I'm pretty sure it was some weird mix of nihilism and NAP. Something about involuntary existence itself being a form of aggression. Which is an interesting argument in the way that, say, Jainist pacifism is. You be you, you lovable weirdos.
There are good philosophical arguments for that position. I am not saying I agree with them, but it is interesting to expand one's horizons to new perspectives.
You Know Who Else thought that certain people shouldn't breed?
The State of California?
Margaret Sanger
There is a hilarious one star review on that page by an anti-natalist complaining that the author doesn't talk about Buddhism and Schopenhauer enough and tells him to go kill himself. That's great.
It's funny, but it's a complete misunderstanding of the anti-natalist position. Anti-natalism has no position on existing sentient life, only on potential future sentient life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na7A3-UCCYE
From my time lurking around here this is my impression of Nikki.
Wasn't she an "Abortions are mandatory since babies did not consent to be born" anarchist?
Pretty much. I remember, as a teen, yelling at my parents "I didn't ask to be born!"
She kept that sentiment into adulthood.
She was also a valuable contributor around here, and I feel bad for talking about somebody behind her back.
Nikki was alright, and maybe she, and the other ex-pats, will come back after the election is over.
I feel bad for talking about somebody behind her back.
*cough* looks up thread *cough*
You know who else gets talked about a lot behind her back?
Come on Winston, jokes about your mom have become part of the culture around here. Hell, they're a goddamned meme. Be proud.
yeah! like OMWC and his taste, or CJ and gross sex.
They were talking about your mom.
"Well personally I believe that we should loosen immigration laws but still enforce border security..."
"STATIST! HIT THE FUCKING BUTTON!"
Daaaamn. Nailing the link on that.
I enjoy when we can discuss those lines like civilized people. unfortunately, even we turn into savages pretty quickly. I blame the computer screen.
My theory is that Clinton has been trying to prep the undecided voters for this story, with the build-up of the "Trump is horrible to women" meme. If she just threw the story out there, then people might dismiss it out of hand.
Only if he can call her "Ivanka."
2005? What difference, at this point, does it make?
Finding a hard time getting interested in predicting where 3 or 4 votes go, and just noticing this:
"Yahoo slapped with lawsuit for gender discrimination against men"
[...]
"Gender issues are a hot topic in Silicon Valley, and with a new lawsuit filed against Yahoo, things are taking a surprising turn.
A former Yahoo employee is suing Yahoo, alleging that CEO Marissa Mayer and other execs of implemented an employee review system that led to an illegal mass firing of employees that targeted men."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....926263.php
Among those I speak with "gender issues" rate close to "tried the new wrap at XXX?", but regardless, Mayer's proven to be a poor manager, so it's possible either by direct or mis-direction.
But it's also possible a whiner got fired (see Ellen Pao).
XXX is "It Works!"?
Yeah, we have that Amway shit here too.
I'm not going to be too upset at yahoo losing anything and everything.
I'll pass that on to Trump for you.
If Johnson is hurting Trump then will the MSM turn from "Aleppo!" to "Gary Johnson is the bestest evah!"
You can bet money on it.
True story
a business i work with finally, after a week of nagging them, sent me my temporary login information for their system, with bold-type warning that i must set up my credentials within the next 24 hours to get secure digital certificates set up and blah blah blah or else my temp PW etc will expire....
so i go to the directed website to do so.... and i get a message, "The system is down for maintenance for the next 48 hours"
i imagine this is what working for the govt is like.
I once tried to log in to a government job site to see the description for a job posting. It required me to create a login. But every time I tried to create my password according to the rules they outlined, it told me my desired password did not fit the proper criteria.
So... yeah.
"so i go to the directed website to do so.... and i get a message, "The system is down for maintenance for the next 48 hours""
Not only gov't; Comcast sends us notifications to contact them on the web site if our data service fails.
Well, part gov't...
YOUR SUPPOSED TO USE YOUR PHONE, GRANDPA
Camwhoring ain't for everybody.
Central committee came up with operation "Democracy Corps" - do you like it?
No I do not ...
And to be clear...
I will NOT hold my nose and waste my vote on Hillary Clinton, who is a bigger war monger than Dick Cheney, whose hero is the international war criminal Henry Kissinger, and who supports the racist and un Constitutional war on drugs.
So no central committee, I will NOT hold my nose and waste my vote on the racist war monger, and sworn enemy of individual liberty, Hillary Clinton!!!
Pretty sure you are a legion here.
I think it is time to look forward to 2020. The LP needs to grow on what Johnson/Weld have accomplished. I think that means a Mitt Romney/Chris Christie ticket. With Michael Bloomberg at Health and Peter King at Homeland Security and David Frum at State...
Arrrhgg! Get out of my head, Winston! Witch!
So who's going to write the Libertarian Case for Hillary, for Trump, For Johnson and For Stein?
And I wonder in the "Who will you vote for?" article what the ratio of Clinton to Johnson endorsements there will be...
"according to a new web-survey of likely millennial voter"
Unscientific no more?
I just wish a record amount of people would not turn out to vote. That would deny the Clintrump any claim to a "mandate".
1 vote to nil is a mandate as long as a Democrat wins...
Clitrump?
The ideal result is Trump wins, Hillary loses with a popular vote majority and Russian hacking gets the undeserved blame/credit for the result.
So Venezuela might delay the Regional elections in violation of its constitution. Democracy in action...
Bolivarian democracy, you mean.
Ok, I am off to watch Westworld with the SO. Y'all have a great night.
SO?
That's a little vague. And it means you're on the market.
Shh, the episode's just getting interesting.
I'm a free man. Don't tell me what kind of night to have!
I mean, you too, dude, have a nice one.
more alcohol?
Yes please. (Hands vape pen to Doom) shatter?
don't mind if i do
Toke 'em if you got 'em.
OK:
"Lonely Lingerie uses 'real women' instead of models in latest campaign"
[...]
"A New Zealand-based company has decided to break the status quo and will use women of all shapes, sizes, ages and ethnic backgrounds in its newest ad campaign.
Lonely Lingerie's photo series is called "Nine of a Kind" and focuses on diversity. The unedited, un-retouched images will be the face of the Autumn/Winter 2016 collection."
http://www.sfgate.com/life/sty.....874594.php
I'm sure lingerie models will be thrilled to hear they are not 'real women' (can we foresee a Cis/non-Cis catfight here?)
Anyhow, I predict few clicks; first wives ain't what you look for in sexy undies.
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With 62% of voters discouraged by Clinton/Drumpf I'd say a vote for Gary is a vote for Gary. The only way Gary couldn't win is if voters don't vote, like they didn't 2 years ago, 4 years ago, ad infinitum. Encourage your friends to vote and Gary will win. If he logs a few protest votes from Clinton/Drumpf then all the more the better. It's all a matter of getting an actual majority of registered voters to show up at the polls.
I find it hard to believe that to be the case. If it were, I highly (no pun intended) doubt Slugworth would have gone on a rant like this on Real Time with Bill Maher claiming "Gary Johnson smoked himself retarded"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-RCVdN3kg