Bill Weld

Kennedy Puts Bill Weld Through the Wringer

Fox Business Network host challenges Libertarian veep nominee on his strategy, self-centeredness, and libertarian bonafides

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Have you ever wanted to confront Libertarian Party vice presidential nominee William Weld about his real commitment to Libertarian politics, his Trump-centric antipathy to the presidential competition, his narcissism, his lack of love from Ron Paul, or the disputed claims made about him in this week's Boston Globe profile? Then you'll probably want to watch the grilling Weld received tonight at the hands of Reason pal Kennedy on Fox Business Network:

Reason on Bill Weld here.

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  1. I like eels.
    Except as meals.
    And the way they feels.

    1. There it is, Derp. The cleverest thing you’ll ever say- and no one was around to hear it.

      1. One time, many moons ago, I was really, really high on weed. I’m talking fucking stoned. I drew this picture. I was sure it was the greatest thing since, I don’t know, I knew it was great and it would blow everyone’s mind. The next day when I took a look at my great artistic moment, I was like WTF hell is this shit? It sort of reminds of what you just said.

        1. Was it the Flaming Globes of Sigmund?

        2. The first known evidence of this unusual anecdote appeared in the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper in November 1939. The article “Thanksgiving Nightmare” by Claire MacMurray discussed dreams and not drugs. MacMurray presented a supposed episode in the mental life of a person named Mrs. Amos Pinchot [APCM]:

          She dreamed one night that she had written a poem so beautiful, so wise, so close to the ultimate truth of life that she was immediately acclaimed by all the peoples on the earth as the greatest poet and philosopher of all the ages. Still half asleep as the dream ended, she stumbled out of bed and scribbled the poem down, realizing that she must take no risk of forgetting such deathless lines. She awoke in the morning with the feeling that something wonderful was about to happen?oh, yes! Her poem.

          She clutched the precious paper and, tense with excitement, read the words she had written. Here they are:

          Hogamus Higamus
          Men are Polygamous
          Higamus Hogamus
          Women Monogamous

          1. That exact same thing happened to me one time, except the poem was:

            A romance sweet yet forged in vain
            Was there ever such a thang?
            (sic)

      2. You’re barking up the wrong bush.

    2. Eel sushi …. mmmm!

    3. Dude, unagi is the best.

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  2. Let’s get the bets going on how many times Kennedy interrupted the poor guy before we read the article?

  3. Kennedy: It’s said you aren’t a true libertarian, what do you say to that?

    Weld: Well, I…

    Kennedy: But you said don’t really support the legalization of cannabis? As a libertarian candidate, how to you defend that?

    Weld: Well, I was going to answer the fir…

    Kennedy: Ok, times up, let’s play that trivia game we play! Ha! I got rid of that old fucker like I got rid of Matt Welch and that black dude, what was his name?

    1. that black dude, what was his name

      Now that’s a low blow. Everyone remembers Michael Moynihan.

  4. Fat prog calls on fat people to rise up and vote against Trump:

    link

    “But by pointing a wee alabaster doll finger at fat nerds for the DNC hack, Trump didn’t just express the standard disgust for fat bodies, he positioned fat people as dangers to national security.”

    There is no peak derp.

    1. I hate to be the one to tell them… but as fat people, Donald Trump is not exactly their worse enemy. Maybe they should be looking at themselves as a possible problem before they get diabetes or a fucking heart attack.

      1. I like how she goes straight from Trump talking about 400 lb shut-ins and she somehow interprets that as “Trump things fat people are spies!”

        1. Your arguments have some weight.

      2. Obama Care is the worst enemy of fat people soon they won’t be able to buy their chips and sodas or else lose their medical care.

    2. “Fat, Self-Important and Stupid is no way to go through life, sister”

      i glanced at the comments. there were like a dozen in a row that were “removed”. It just goes to show that even guardian readers won’t put up with dumb this intense.

      1. *Looks up and down SJW victim-grievance ladder*

        Tsk, tsk. Sorry, Fat Americans, looks like we’re all out of room.

    3. I read fat prog and assumed Donald Trump.

    4. Bourdain said the same thing a while back. He called for government intervention on the obesity epidemic because it was a matter of national security.

  5. this page hurts my fingers
    and the neighborhoods of lives, man
    the cities of everything almost the same
    bro
    the bowling and malls and sweet kitties
    and this page fucking hurts my fingers
    fuck this warped twisted target for old school
    fear and wonder and lovely stories

    this page hurts my arms and shoulders
    this page hurts my bombs
    this page hurts my politics

  6. Dramatic re-enactment of journalist who claimed he got PTSD from firing AR-15:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDOdq9iPMA4

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new…..-1.2673201

    I’ve shot pistols before, but never something like an AR-15. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

    The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don’t know what you’re doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions ? loud like a bomb ? gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

    1. oopsy= last part above should be in quotes

    2. I think testosterone injections might help here, or maybe he could just give it up and chop em off, change his name to Suzy or something.

      1. So, that would be Suzy Kuntzman, then?

      2. I think he did a pretty good job of convincing everyone that he sits down to pee.

    3. The smell of sulfur and destruction

      The smell of destruction is unforgettable. Its like a mix of burning wigs and spoiled capers.

    4. The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don’t know what you’re doing.

      The recoil of an AR, huh? I’d like to see his reaction to firing a pistol-grip mossberg.

    5. I saw that on Facebook juxtaposed with a picture of a 9 year old girl firing an AR with no such problems.

  7. all the lives our genes and breathing fuck clouds
    should shatter the bombs of the angry neighbors

  8. ar-15 angelics can stem the sum of oceanic zombies
    but cannot address the infiltration of nuclear holocaust

  9. Old Bill looked pretty good as he was questioned by the extra serious, pursed-lipped conspiracy theorist Kennedy, who should have some reservations about bringing up a public figures early 90’s actions.

  10. This page is not even real, man
    it is as if this page was a million neck punches
    and all the racing gods of this thing spilled into my hell Natchez Trace
    and its sandwich valleys in 1998

  11. If given the opportunity, i’d have asked this question to Bill Weld:

    – “Why do your suits always look like they were rained on, then crumpled in a ball? I suppose the same could be asked of your face.”

  12. Ooh, does even Bill Weld deserve this?

    1. I bet he’d rather I read poetry at him.

      Or have the other Kennedy take him for a drive.

  13. under the golden cloth
    the next visions live
    and under the golden cloth
    of fingers and minds pretending
    fucking nothing
    and shit that is literally fucking
    worth fucking nothing
    the golden cloth
    of today is…
    appraisers….
    without them your fucking property
    and shit aint worth crap but rest assured
    they won’t appreciate your fucking hacks on reality-
    fucking whores run

  14. Just give me Weld! Do it for me! If you give me Weld I’ll do the very bestest I can.

  15. Reason is the dark volcano of prisms where the geniuses and queens form the
    lightning of this movement of freedom angels…………..into the forever streams of peace and fucking love

  16. Hard-hitting journalism from WaPo: Is your dog’s Halloween costume sexist?

    link

    1. “”It seems silly on the surface, but this is part of a larger message we’re sending, that there are certain jobs for men, and certain jobs for women,” said Scott Lawrie, 36, who co-hosts a podcast, ‘She will not be ignored,’ about gender issues. “The career options for women ? and dogs ? need to go beyond pink loofahs and pink cowgirls.””

      Career options for dogs include

      herding sheep
      scaring and perhaps even biting burglars
      rescuing Alpine travellers
      pulling Little Timmy out of wells

      If a dog can be helpful in any of these ways, I don’t care whether it’s a bitch.

      1. And there are plenty of vacancies in the lucrative field of cheering people up, where scientific studies show that dogs are about 1000% more effective than most comedians.

        1. Especially if they wear little hats while yakety sax plays.

        2. That’s not saying much. Aziz Ansari, Bill Maher, Samantha Bee? I’ll take any dog over any of them.

    2. The three sub-linked stories:

      Millennials are picking pets over people

      Lunch is too expensive

      What’s happening to your Starwood points?

      Just leaving that there.

  17. Weld thing
    You make my heart sink
    You make everything
    Squishy

    Weld thing, I think I don’t like you
    But I want to know for sure
    Stand on that trapdoor over there
    Ooh…I like it!

  18. Kennedy: Do you prefer Clinton or Trump to win?

    Weld: Well, Trump is icky….(Clinton)

    Kennedy: Foreign policy seems like a weakness for Johnson, thoughts?

    Weld: We can’t run around overthrowing regimes and then running away and letting our weapons get in the hands of ISIS like with Benghazi or Syria!!

    Me: Drinks bleach.

    1. He is some nerd who is the reason that I started to read Reason, and the man who helped me realize that I was a libertarian-minded person. So, he’s kind of a dick.

      1. No, it’s the folk guitar that makes him a dick.

        1. +1 cherry that had no stone

        2. Good point. He is my favorite political writer, but he is a dick for so many reasons. That guy…

          1. Oh yeah, the guy with the wardrobe issues…

            1. Yeah! He needs a giant, Internet commenting nerd to tell him how to dress.

              1. I resent that. I am not overly tall.

    2. Welch doesn’t respect any deals he agrees to.

  19. Animal House is 38 years old and it is still hilarious.

  20. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow was part of the exciting development of a distinctively American poetic voice. The reading public devoured his writing:

    I hate myself for loving you
    Can’t break free from the things that you do
    I wanna walk but I run back to you
    That’s why I hate myself for loving you

  21. Even now I’d love to give Kennedy a little spanking. Maybe not as much as 15 years ago – and not in anyway that’d immortalize us in a Sugarfree creation – but yes. It’d never work between us, though. She’d always need to be in charge.

  22. listen to world’s oldest song, deciphered from 3400 year old tablet:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brvy4BbK2ZQ

    Needs more wah-wah-oohs

    1. Who knew Neil Young was that old!

  23. It’s been a while since I’ve seen someone so gloriously miss the point:
    https://youtu.be/diYhUmjl2lc?t=2m40s

  24. When did Kennedy go totally off the rails?
    1) Falsely claims libertarians are only on the right.
    2) He should focus on the 2% of the voters who “got him here” instead of the 60% libertarian views.
    3) Why give a shit about Ron Paul?.Only 1/3 of his “coalition” is libertarian, 1/3 extreme socon bigots, and spends most of his time with the conspiracy freak, Alex Jones,

    The “modern libertarian movement” is a massive failure, per Cato’s survey. That’s where we get the 59% who self-identify with libertarian views, but 91% of them reject the libertarian brand. So the people who think libertarian HATE the political ideology. Because now Kennedy pisses on them?

    What the 59% reject IS the “modern” movement which sold out to Ron Paul. Rand’s campaign shows his dad’s coalition cannot be expanded. He went to court Berkeley liberals (fine) ? then pissed it all away by calling for religious tent revivals! THAT is the “modern” movement — drop socially liberal and suck up to the Paulista cult.

    Ignore the 60% of “original” libertarians … focus on 20% of voters … with NO policy platform! Geenius!

    “Fiscally responsible and socially accepting” is NOT a platform. I blame our establishment who has NO policyt solutions.

    Who’s driving the growing acceptance of libertarian ideas ? the 59% who are Nolan libertarians, active in their communities with 40-50,000 in elected office? . or 5.3% of Americans “modern” libertarians, totally invisible, largely bigots?

    1. Re: #1 – I didn’t see that. I saw her calling out a guy as being too cozy by far with the left. To the point that he’s practically saying, “If you’re not going to vote for us, throw your support to Hillary.”

      1. Re: #1 – I didn’t see that.

        Sure you did,

        saw her calling out a guy as being too cozy by far with the left.

        Then you did see it.

        To the point that he’s practically saying, “If you’re not going to vote for us, throw your support to Hillary.” And you swallowed it.

        Umm, Sparky? Why did she also say they’re drawing equally from Trump and Clinton.

        1. I still don’t see it, your claims notwithstanding.

          I saw him claim that Weld was too leftist. That is not the same as promoting being “on the right”. That’s a false dichotomy.

          As for your question, I assume “Sparky” is me, so feel free to eat a turd. But why she said that? Because they are? How is that relevant?

          1. I still don’t see it, your claims notwithstanding.

            Then, like Kennedy, you’re driven by hatred of Hillary.

            I saw him claim that Weld was too leftist. That is not the same as promoting being “on the right”.

            Those are the only people who say that, The Hillary hates are far right.

            As for your question, I assume “Sparky” is me, so feel free to eat a turd. But why she said that? Because they are? How is that relevant?

            But they’re not, except to Hillary haters. I’ll try again: He’s causing all this damage by promoting Hillary, but she also admits there is no damage. Your assertion fails.

            I watched again, even more stunned by how rude she was, on claims that are either lies or make no sense. She may be a Ron Paul suck. Ron’s words about Jill Stein do FAR more to boost Hillary. Unless you guys think Stein draws votes from Trump. Do you?

            Libertarians are NOT mostly on the right. And only the Paulista cult (as extreme socons) denies the definition of libertarian since 1969 (also used by Cato) … Again: why ignore 60% of voters for 5%???

            Gary and Bill both avoid personal attacks on either major candidate … which would screw them with independents. Fiercely tribal partisans try to force everyone into one of two teams, which shows how out of touch they are. A core founding principle is that the bipolar choice is obsolete, now far more obvious than a half century ago,

            1. So basically you’re saying that well over half of the voting population agrees with you 100%, but not enough to actually elect you local dog catcher. Yes, the LP would be wise to hitch its wagon to your star.

              1. Pat (PM) more full of shit aggression !

                So basically you’re saying that well over half of the voting population agrees with you 100%

                FAIL! The 59% is Cato’s. I merely mentioned it ,(sneer).

                http://bitly.com/1AGaBU7
                “In our Zogby survey we found that only 9 percent of voters with libertarian views identify themselves that way. ?.

                Fully 59 percent of the respondents said “yes” to the first question. That is, by 59 to 27 percent, poll respondents said they would describe themselves as “fiscally conservative and socially liberal.”

                Follow the link, scroll down prox 2/3 to “How libertarians see themselves” and confirm Pat as a MASSIVE psycho. Still.

                not enough to actually elect you local dog catcher

                You’re getting desperate. Invented that. How pathetic. And ANOTHER fuckup!

                In Ohio I was elected to school board after launching a successful tax revolt, In Washington, an elected Water Commissioner It gets better (YES)

                Yes, the LP would be wise to hitch its wagon to your star.

                (lol) Back to Cato. 91% of those libertarians (53% of voters ) reject the libertarian ideology. .. reject YOU sunshine ? jammed yourself up your own ass!!

                All the rest is secondary to your pathetic fuckup on Cato’s survey.

                (my tone and boldface in defense of aggression by thug ..clearly one of the dumber thugs!)

                1. Keep touting a ten year old study as if it matters today, Hihn. Totally makes you sound lucid and not obsessed with dated info.

                  1. The bolding, italicizing and frequent use of all capped words, along with some judicious name calling, also help to convey the image of sane and thoughtful argumentation …. clearly he’s not some crazy person posting rants to the internet.

                    1. Bolding and all caps has been the equivalent of internet yelling for years now, and somehow we’re all the aggressors.

                    2. I’m calling you our DesigNate

                      DesigNate|10.6.16 @ 2:38PM|#
                      and somehow we’re all the aggressors.

                      And fucking stupid
                      And self-righteous.
                      THAT was aggression, Slick

                      Aggression is an unprovoked attack (why must I explain that)

                      So … what of mine were you replying to … or you’e a documented aggressor … and liar.
                      And insufferably arrogant.

                      (my tone and boldface are in defense of aggression IMPOSIBLE to disprove)

                    3. The bolding, italicizing and frequent use of all capped words …

                      … is always in self-defense. When there is aggressionn, it is the target … not the attacker … who determines the response. Look before you judge. Like an adult.

                  2. You’re in denial. It would take a MASSIVE change to impact so large a disparity.
                    The most likely change would be even higher rejectioin.

                    Coimmon knowledge that social tolerance is up SHARPLY. And that’s always been the lagging component of the two. So just lfind a credible survey showing a decline in fiscal conservatism.

                    The biggest negative comes from anti-gumming libs — whose libertopia is the antithesis of a free society. They REFUSE governance and want to all move to one state — like the Moonie, Branch Davidian and Peoples Temple cults.

                    Goldwater predicted the “moral majority” would be a major threat to his party, which happened. Also to libertarianism, with the rise of extreme socons (who tend to be belligerent, like Kennedy was here).

                    Most of all, which group is driving the expansion of social tolerance, 59% of the population 40-50,000 in local office with many more active in their communities … or 6% who do nothing, say nothing, and are dismissive of voters.

                    Hint: anti-gummint has virtually NO support.

                    1. Here’s a series of credible surveys rejecting fiscal conservatism: The 2004, 2008, 2012, and especially 2016 Presidential Elections – you know, the ones where no major party candidate gave lip service to fiscal conservatism except maybe kinda in the Team Red Primary. Or the 2006, 2008, 2012, 2016 congressional races, where fiscal conservatism is number 83 on the list of voter concerns. I’ll give you 2010 and maybe if I’m generous 2014, except the guys elected there turned around and continued to not shut down the gov’t and to fund continuing resolutions that jacked up the debt. They may have slowed spending down, but that was mainly due to hatred for Obama and not some principled stand.

                    2. The Last Americxan Hero
                      Here’s a series of credible surveysrejecting fiscal conservatism:

                      That’s impossible
                      Even if the surveys are credible ? you sti;ll aren’t. Where are they?
                      Why must I teach you what fiscal conservatism is?.

                      We’ll need the surveys … PLUS proof hat NO major party Presidentlal candidate gave even lip service to fiscal conservatism in any election between 2004 and 2016. (Which would NOT “reject fiscal conservatism” whatever the hell that means)

                      (That would be Dubya, McCain and ROMNEY?) (You’ve already lost)

                      Neither Clinton or Trump is a fiscal conservative…. which affects how many voters are fiscval conservatives? HOW?
                      Or fiscal conservatives are no more than Gary’s 5% (for him, not as protest)

                      1) How many surveys query 83 issues? Most have 10 or fewer, which us all there mostly are Learn at Gallup
                      http://www.gallup.com/topic/election_2016.aspx
                      .
                      2) You challenge Cato’s 2006 survey with a survey from 2006! (if I properly guess your unstated purpose)

                      On what basis do you claim voters don’t self-define as fiscal conservative” unless candidates do? Do you know what “self” ,means?

                      Can anyone self-identify as a fiscal conservative … without knowing how YOU define it (falsely?) Or is it how they define it?

                      In addition to no stated purpose ?. why must I teach you what fiscal conservatism is?

                      contd

                    3. part 2

                      Fiscal conservatism is a political-economic philosophy regarding fiscal policy and fiscal responsibility advocating low taxes, reduced government spending and minimal government debt. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and privatization are defining qualities of fiscal conservatism
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism

                      Read the definition carefully. Campaign issues are most often the stated components – fiscal policy, fiscal responsibility,, tax and/or spending cuts, debt management, free trade, deregulation and privatization, etc

                      Check a few here at gallup Learn.

                      http://www.gallup.com/topic/election_2016.aspx

                      Again, you NEVER state a purposet. But it follows me DEMOLISHIING all those who try so desperately to discredit a Cato’s survey that humiliates them ? but FAIL. Every one.

                      Do I add you to the failures or not?

                  3. Keep touting a ten year old study as if it matters today, Hihn. Totally makes you sound lucid and not obsessed with dated info

                    Lemmee ‘splain it to you, Lucy

                    Since then
                    Social Tolerance is way up.
                    Fiscal conservatism is stable.

                    Gary’s poll results are tragic .. if we adjust for all the “antis” ….WORSE than Cato’s survey,
                    against two opponents distrusted by a majority of voters.

                    On EVERY metric. your illk is now MORE despised by the vast majority of libertarians.
                    Thanks for bringing it up!

                  4. ANOTHERT ONE!

                    Get To Da Chippah
                    Keep touting a ten year old study as if it matters today, Hihn.

                    BLUFF. On what basis do you claim it changed … other than desperation?

                    There are three components. I’ll go slowly

                    1) Social liberalism is up sharply
                    2) Fiscal conservatism is stable

                    So the total libertarians are at least the same as 2006. Likely higher (When new social liberals were already fiscally conservative we get both)

                    Now the rejection/acceptance ratio of the ideologybrand

                    3) Gary polls at the the same OR WORSE than Cato’s 2006 … if we adjust for the ones opposing somebody else instead if supporting Johnson/Weld

                    There is NO basis to ass-ume the total is less than 59%
                    NO basis to assume a significant change in acceptance/rejection ratio ;;; except you NEED it.

                    Your entire quest was doomed before you began, by simple math. The rejection rate was 91% in 2006. A 20% drop would be MASSIVE … but would you celebrate 71% rejection? (LOL)

                    You’re stiil losers. But now you’re killing Gary, along with the establishment’s FAiILURE to provide a single policy solution …. thus blowing an opportunity that occurs only once or twice prer centty

                    I do understand your desperation. And I know most of your faction are also victims of our establishment.

                2. I bet you see yourself as Humanity’s only hope…while 99% of the rest of humanity will hope your insect/rodent problem doesn’t become there issue when they move next to your packratted domicile. Sneers then shits on a Cato paper.

                  1. *their

                  2. I bet you see yourself as Humanity’s only hope…

                    You just did another ad hominem. I deal in facts.

                    Redeem yourself by telling us why you say such a thing. Be at least half as specific as I am..

                    1. Bacon-Magix, called out, CANNOT justify his aggresion.
                      Anyone surprised?

                3. I like what Hihn brings to the table, I don’t think he’s being unreasonable when he says that the LP needs a clear platform.

                  1. I don’t think he’s being unreasonable when he says that the LP needs a clear platform.

                    I was on the National Platform Committee for maybe five conventions.

                    It’s scary that ANYONE would run campaign with NOTHING on jobs, the economy, Medicare., Restructuring government, etc.

                    Chris Cuomo asked Gary why the Fair Tax was huge tax cut for the rich. Gary scolded him for “going into high weeds.” That’s evasion. In a debate, he’d be crushed.

                    ANY flat tax is crazy. when progressiverates provide a MASSIVE subsidy to the middle class. The core ($40-100k) averages less than 9% Millionaires and billionaires average 28%. Do the math.

                    The Fair Tax is worse. Forbes did it best. The rich spend a fraction of their income, so the Fair Tax is a lower rate on fewer dollars.

                    The middle class consumes virtually all its income (average in big ticket stuff) so they’d pay a hdiher rtae on mote dollars. INSANE

                    But they have to say they’ll repealing the IRS or Kennedy will screech at them.

                    Most important. Policy solutions describe how and why you can run the country better. “How will you Mr. Johnson.”
                    “We’ll be fiscally responsible and socially tolerant.”
                    “Oh”

                    His balanced budget has NO chance of passing, and WASTES an opportunity we won’t see again for 50-100 years.

                    That’s a FAIL by the establishment. Not one credible policy solution.

            2. Hihn isn’t always wrong, or always right, but you can count on him to troll people until someone insults him then he’ll go full-bore for that person’s throat while claiming he’s the aggrieved party. Sometimes it’s accurate, but he knows full well that he’s trolling. His tone and dripping disdain have nothing to do with the reaction people have to him, I’m sure.

              1. I’ve never talked to him before until I disagreed with 1 of his 3 points, respectfully. And his ad hominem attack on me came out of nowhere. Then he completely ignored that fact as he tried to stupidly argue for his position even though I brought it to his attention twice. And the stupid part is assuming that a person can’t maintain a equally disdainful position towards two sides and expecting his party’s leaders to not publicly profess a preference for *other party leadership*.

                I’m skipping everything else he writes from now on.

                1. And his ad hominem attack on me came out of nowhere.

                  Give us a linkl. A rigtht click to the “#” puts it into your clipboard. Paste it into your reply.

                  You have been called out.

                  1. Here you go: https://reason.com/blog/2016/10…..nt_6450357

                    1. I owe you a correction, jupistra. That was NOT self-defemse by me
                      It was a supported argument — which is not an ad hominem either (you here lie about it coming from nowhere)

                      I called you “Sparky” in sarcasm. BECAUSE you parroted Kennedy;s INSANE claim that Weld is throwing support to Hillary … and NOT helping Hillary … both at the same time!!!

                      That’s why I declined your order to “eat a turd.”

                      P.S.How is either sarcasm or even ridicule of YOUR POSITION an ad hominem?

                      https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/ definition/ad_hominem

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparky

                      This time, instead of retaliating, I expect an apology.

                    2. You directly called me a demeaning name. However you spin it, it’s the truth. You’re clearly very intellectually dishonest. I will not carry this conversation forward any further.

                    3. His false attack documented — two-fold — jupistar refuses to apologize,retract or even regret, I PROVE it’s not a demeaning name — by linking to a dictionary, the link SHOWING the word. He refuses to look — AGAIN slanders me with appalling arrogance — anotherproven lie. But he’s NOT a thug and bully launching repeated aggressions, right?

                      My grace and patience have now expired,
                      Here’s another definition. Those TOTALLY lacking in conscience.

                      incapable of feeling guilt, remorse or empathy for their actions. They are generally cunning, manipulative and know the difference between right and wrong, but dismiss it as applying to them.
                      Psychopathic Personality

                      The evidence is visible and undeniable. (except by … see rhe definition)

                      (fliush)

                    4. To jupoistra
                      Re correction

                      I couldn’t find it. Now I just did. I provided a VERY ;detailed explanation why it was NOT an hominem — iin DIRECT response to your complaint.

                      https://reason.com/blog/2016/10…..nt_6450381

                      I’ll bite my tongue, avoid retaliating again, in return for an apology or retraction for your false allegation. I’m sure it was intentional, but still a totally undeserved.assumption
                      Thank you. May peace be with you.

                    5. You consistently type my moniker incorrectly, I suppose I should assume this is accidental. I do not.

                      Your “very detailed” explanation was nothing but spin and deflection. You are dishonest.

                      Please refrain from talking to me further on any topic at any time. I don’t care to converse with you.

                    6. I have poor vision.
                      OMG You are NOT the victim — a PROVEN liar amd serial stalker
                      Repaeat from above

                      Here’s another definition. Those TOTALLY lacking in conscience.

                      incapable of feeling guilt, remorse or empathy for their actions. They are generally cunning, manipulative and know the difference between right and wrong, but dismiss it as applying to them.
                      Psychopathic Personality

                      The evidence is visible and undeniable. (except by … see rhe definition)

                      STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME. STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME. STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME. STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME. STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME. STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME. STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME. STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME. STOP STALKING ME. STOP STALKING ,ME.

            3. There’s nothing inherently wrong with hating Hillary. Especially if you are a pro-liberty minded person. (Note this does not preclude you from hating Trump as well.)

              1. Exactly the point.

              2. There’s nothing inherently wrong with hating Hillary.

                Of course not. Unless it distorts one’s judgment, as it did with Kennedy and a few commenters.. Like seeing things that don’t exist. a VERY rough analogy is racism, where OF COURSE blacks are lazy and shiftless.

                Kenmedy went literally ape shit. Described how Jesse Helms blocked Weld’s ambassadorship. Then said Bill was paying back Hillary FOR WHAT?

                Tell,me. How was he paying back a name Kennedy never mentioned in the question. I’ll wait.

                Judgmentalism is the death of civility. And tribalism is the death of truth.

    2. Please email Kennedy and ask her.

      1. Please email Kennedy and ask her.

        It’s called a rhetorical question.
        And I already know.

      2. and this time don’t attach dick pics.

        1. It’s crackers to slip a rozzer, the dropsy in snide

    3. How many people reject the Hihn brand? I’m thinking of a triple digit number.

      1. How many people reject the Hihn brand? I’m thinking of a triple digit number.

        I have proof. It pisses you off. So you launch unprovoked aggression.. Thuggery
        Cato survey, conducted by a top pollster

        “”In our Zogby survey we found that only 9 percent of voters with libertarian views identify themselves that way”

        100 – 9= 91%. Scroll down roughly 2/3 to the chapter heading. How Libertarians See Themselves
        Thanks for inviting me to post this tragedy again. And to expose your bullying.

        Francisco: You bullies!

        Thanks, and I just proved it! Do you know the definition of aggression? Verbal aggression?

        Verbal aggressiveness
        “Infante and Wigley (1986) defined verbal aggressiveness as “a personality trait that predisposes persons to attack the self-concepts of other people instead of, or in addition to, their positions on topics of communication”
        Link

        “Predisposes” means he just can’t help himself. aka ad hominem, personal attack or the bullying you noticed. Unprovoked aggression, apparently enraged at a survey result so he “shoots the messenger” (authoritarian mentality).

        (My tone and boldface in self-defense from aggression)

        1. After trying to demean me with the label “Sparky”, you have a great deal of gumption to accuse others of verbal aggression.

          1. He figured gumption was a pretty good substitute for a brain.

            Just a protip for you, Hihn is an extremely mentally ill old man who is very probably (and in all seriousness) suffering from the terminal stages of dementia and believes he unlocked the key to political success 20 years ago when he lost with less than 2% of the vote in a local race for insurance commissioner on the Libertarian Party ticket. You will have more stimulating conversations tongue punching a household electrical outlet.

            1. Btw, check back here somewhere between 8-10 hours from now so you can read him compulsively reply to every other post in this thread with an identical set of copied and pasted text referencing the “Paulistas”, Christian Taliban, 91% and Cato once he’s completely assured that the thread is dead. Then watch him do the exact same thing with the exact same text 2-3 weeks from now.

              1. See how Pat (PM) just made a TOTAL ass of himself!!!

                https://reason.com/blog/2016/10…..nt_6450410

              2. What makes this funny is that I’m using Reasonable to hide his comments, and there’s like half a page of blank divs below your comment that say “Michael Hihn” when I hover over them.

              3. so you can read him compulsively reply to every other post in this thread with an identical set of copied and pasted text referencing the “Paulistas”, Christian Taliban, 91% and Cato once he’s completely assured that the thread is dead.

                All the while claiming that he’s being “stalked.”

            2. Par (PM) is one sick fuck. PROOF:

              Pat (PM)
              he lost with less than 2% of the vote in a local race for insurance commissioner on the Libertarian Party ticket

              Wait for it ….

              I was elected. Proven by Meeting Minutes

              http://www.waterdistrict125.co…..8-2000.pdf

              It’s NON-PARTISAN – proven by ballot results

              http://kingcounty.gov/~/media/…..ashx?la=en

              WHY DO YOU DO THIS? HOW CAN ANYONE BE SO CONSUMED BY SHEER HATRED?
              (vomit)

              (My tone and boldface in self-defense of aggression by a totally sick and pathetic psycho)

            3. Hihn is an extremely mentally ill old man who is very probably (and in all seriousness) suffering from the terminal stages of dementia

              Psycho Pat documented here
              https://reason.com/blog/2016/10…..nt_6450416

              Film at 11

            4. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I see his vomit of crap all over this comment thread. I’ll avoid getting sucked into the fallacious and specious rabbit hole.

              1. So as not to be publicly humiliated again?

                Aggression is launching unprovoked attacks, as jubistar did again. Since.it did not reply to aggression by me. it has no way to deny/ They snarl, deny, insult, attack others, and comfort each other as needed..

                90% of all readers NEVER comment, by nature, or in fear of the thugs,. There are now 17 of us, baiting and trapping cyber-bullies, not for ourselves, for for the silent visitors. It’s easy bait cyber-bullies. Trigger their raging hatred.

                Eric Hoffer’s, “The True Believers” shows how zealots and fanatics rise and control every mass movement.

                Mass movements don’t need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers.

                “Throughout human history, the worst abuses have been justified by those brainwashed into to believe they’re defending, or fighting for, some “greater good” — the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party or a God. Zealots and fanatics. The militant self-righteous.

                Here, it’s mostly Ron Paul’s Cult. Extreme social conservatives are innate bullies. Eager to impose government for social control, anything less is trivial.

                (Nathaniel Branden showed how this is caused, not by massive ego as we’d assumed., but a total LACK of self-esteem. Egotists have no need to control. The egoless MUST control to feel secure. Thugs, because they’re weaklings.

            5. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I see his vomit of crap all over this comment thread. I’ll avoid getting sucked into the fallacious and specious rabbit hole.

            6. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I see his vomit of crap all over this comment thread. I’ll avoid getting sucked into the fallacious and specious rabbit hole.

              1. Aggression

          2. You confuse aggression with a supported argument. Weld is boosting Hillary and NOT boosting Hillary, all at once???..

            He’s not, except to Hillary haters. Not attacking her means promoting her, only in a bipolar world. Neither Johnson nor Weld indulges personal attacks ,… which pisses off only extreme tribal partisans, who are as clueless in politics as Kennedy. (and Ron Paul per Katherine Mangu-Ward) When you read how voters are pissed off with politics, it’s because of the viciousness that Kennedy promotes. And we get a LOT less leeway with voters

            I should maybe mention that I’ve been elected to local office in two different states, launched a winning tax revolt, was the first (only?) paid director of a state party (WA), worked on maybe a hundred campaigns since the 1980s, campaign websites since 1993, helped elect maybe two dozen libertarians. A former corporate training manager, I trained my county chairs in candidate recruiting and development, one-on-one in the larger counties.

            The movement has always suffered a major gulf between candidates and members, because the vast majority of members have NEVER seen even one winning campaign. Active Ds and Rs work several each year,

            Also bluntly, Johnson and Weld were re-elected with large margins in two VERY Democrat states. which is very rare. Do they get my Benefit of Doubt, or does somebody who’s never done a thing, and most cannot describe a single policy to neighbors or co-workers?

          3. After trying to demean me with the label “Sparky”, you have a great deal of gumption to accuse others of verbal aggression.

            A twice documented lie.
            Spanky is not a demeaning name.
            I post the dictionary link you REFUSE to look.

            Now the definition for those totally lacking in conscience

            ncapable of feeling guilt, remorse or empathy for their actions. They are generally cunning, manipulative and know the difference between right and wrong, but dismiss it as applying to them.
            Psychopathic Personality

            STOP STALKING ME

        2. I agree 100%-9%=91%.

    4. I’m sure someone has made this point before, as you always seem to harp about this study, but holding libertarian views does not necessarily mean one is a libertarian. One can hold libertarian views on certain subjects while also rejecting the NAP.

      I could go on, but you strike me as a troll.

      1. ???? Cannot maintain a consistent thought for two consecutive sentences
        Challleges the Cato Institute on what a libertarian is
        His version is a blatant non sequitur
        Let’s go!

        original) holding libertarian views does not necessarily mean one is a libertarian.

        non sequitort) One can hold libertarian views on certain subjects while also rejecting the NAP.

        WOW Dude. Holding views or only “certain views”
        So if a statist shares the libertarian view on gay marriage … he’s NOT libertarian. WHO KNEW???

        I could go on,

        And make an even bigger fool of yourself?
        Claiming to be more authoritative than Cato .,.. with a MASSIVE logical fallacy.
        While committing aggression (verbal) IN DEFENSE OF NAP!!!

        But you strike me as a trolll

        THAT determined HOW I responded.
        Now learn what aggression means. (lol)

        1. Pure sophistry. You make a fallacious appeal to authority by criticicing me for with CATO.

          “So if a statist shares the libertarian view on gay marriage … he’s NOT libertarian.”

          No. He’s not “a” libertarian, he is still a statist who rejects the NAP. He might have libertarian ideas on that issue, but that does not make him a libertarian. Completely consistent with what I said.

          You have twisted my argument by omitting the indefinite article and demonstrated an unwillingness to argue in good faith. You are a troll.

          I will feed you no more.

          1. Pure sophistry. You make a fallacious appeal to authority by criticicing me for with CATO.

            MORE bullshit. I ridiculed your BLATANT nion sequitior — two opposite definitions and a shell game. Now you go TOTALLY off the rails!

            Hihn: WOW Dude. Holding “views” or only “certain views” AIN’T THE SAME
            So if a statist shares the libertarian view on gay marriage … he’s NOT libertarian. WHO KNEW???

            No. He’s not “a” libertarian, he is still a statist who rejects the NAP.

            (suppressed vomit) The ridicule sailed over you head. You LIE about my words BLATANTLY — Shamelessly edit a ONE LINE COMMENT (compare this with the fucker’s own posting) And return to the same self-righteous babbling that got you in trouble originally.!

            What a piece of work. What kind of psycho lies about words IMMEDIATELY ABOVE IN BLACK AND WHITE??

            (My tone and boldface in self-defense of verbal aggression and blatant lying)

  25. Hard to put someone through the ringer when you don’t even have your facts straight.

    She breaks out the “Ron Paul says vote for Jill Stein” (He did not)
    https://reason.com/blog/2016/10…..stein-or-l

    She regurgitates rhetoric that was proven factually inaccurate (Weld barnstorming Trump strongholds, only attacking Trump, etc.)

    Where exactly does she get her segment research from?

    1. Where exactly does she get her segment research from?

      Right out of her ass.
      I was VERY impressed by how Weld kept demolishing her so calmly and politely. He was never baited. She totally failed at trying to.

      The arrogant bitch fucked up what libertarianism has been.since 1969.

      She thinks it’s treason to hope GOP’s libertarian wing emerges from the wreckage a wiing tracing to Goldwater and Reagan, who BOTH opposed the Moral Majority, and presumably ignorant of how the Libertarian Party evolved from the Goldwater campaign. I was involved with the party from its start until I retired a few years back, And recall only one or two “partsan hacks” as blatant as her.

      Shes a raging hypocrite. What Ron DID say about Stein is FAR shows SHE SUPPORTS TRUMP.

      And for total batshit crazy — how did she connect “repaying Hillary” with Jesse Helms blocking his ambassadorship. Repaying for WHAT???

      Shameful. She showed rage before the interview even started.

      1. PLUS CATO!!!!!

        Seriously, dipshit, touting that ten year old polling result and pretending it’s current information is like touting the results of the 1976 election and stating that 50% of today’s electorate want Jimmy Carter as president.

        Fleck spittle on your keyboard and monitor all you want.

        1. I don’t cliaim it to e current, proven liar .. which is why I link to it, chump!

          Seriously dipshit. Since Cato’s last
          1) Social Tolerance us up sharply
          2) Fiscal conservatism is stable
          3) Gary’s poll numbers are WORSE than Cato’s, Sluggo. if we adjust for the the “antis”
          MUCH worse against TWO widely hated candidates

          So on EVERY measure, your ilk is now even MORE despised by libertarians than 2006.
          Thanks for bringing it up!!!
          But fuck you as a threat to individual liberty

          (Mine posted in response to more aggression by a serial thug. . The ridicule is intentional and justified)


          (vomit)

        2. Get To Da Chippa
          PLUS CATO!!!!!

          Sorry, I only just noticed that I never said a word about cato.
          Yiou invented out of thin air, an excuse to launch unprovoked assault.
          Seriously dipshit, you are one sick fuck.
          Even worse than your survey blunder.
          (walks away stifling vomit)

      2. PLUS CATO!!!!!

        Seriously, dipshit, touting that ten year old polling result and pretending it’s current information is like touting the results of the 1976 election and stating that 50% of today’s electorate want Jimmy Carter as president.

        Fleck spittle on your keyboard and monitor all you want.

        1. Wacko posted twice.NOT accidentally. (different columns and timestamps)
          Both blatant lies and blatant aggression documented:at links below. What else to expect from a psyopath who celebrates feeding humans into wood chippers? (stifling vomit)

          https://reason.com/blog/2016/10…..nt_6452369

          https://reason.com/blog/2016/10…..t_64523699

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  27. I like Kennedy well enough, but I felt her line of questioning seemed pretty unfair there to me, presupposing a lot about Weld’s ill intentions. It basically boiled down to “You’re going back to the Republican party!” “No.” “And you’re somehow simultaneously a Clinton flunky!” “No.” “And you only care about yourself!” “No.” And then of course the Stein thing which is just not true.

    Weld handled himself well in the face of that onslaught, although really Bill, how hard is it to stick to “they both suck!” instead of playing the media game about which of the two turds is shinier.

    There’s reasons to distrust Bill Weld policy-wise, but she skipped right over those and went to conspiracy theories about his party allegiance.

    1. I was STUNNED and DELIGHTED that Weld COULD NOT BE BAITED. Pleasant as hell each time he said she was wrong. Sadly, too few people will be able to compare him with Trump.

      Kennedy made it a debate, so Weld beat both majors. To a sadly small audience.

  28. I’m not a Bill Weld fan, but Kennedy was just trying too hard.

    I don’t know nothing, but I think the strategy might make sense. You’re not going to win over the people who are voting for Trump. They are like moths to the porch light, and Trump is like stadium lights to them. Trump can say or do anything and they’ll still vote for him.

    There are a lot more people who find Trump repulsive, but who will vote for Hillary as a lesser of evils. If someone is libertarian-lite, fiscally responsible and socially tolerant, they aren’t in the orbit of Trump. That’s who they go after.

    Do you spend more time attacking Hillary and run the risk of being confused with and sounding just like the Trump Humpers? Or, do you focus more energy attacking Trump, giving the folks who are disgusted by both somewhere acceptable to go?

    1. I like Kennedy, but that was a bad interview. Too aggressive on her part and too passive on his part.

      That being said, if you want to be a distinct third party you have to be distinct. Weld praising Clinton and bashing Trump is not going to attract any new votes. Strategically you have to straddle the line and criticize both equally on policy grounds. Weld has failed to do so.

      “Do you spend more time attacking Hillary and run the risk of being confused with and sounding just like the Trump Humpers? Or, do you focus more energy attacking Trump, giving the folks who are disgusted by both somewhere acceptable to go?”

      Well, I despise Hillary so I approve of Weld playing into Trumps hand this way. As you stated, Weld’s comments will tend to attract Hillary leaners far more than Trump leaners. So, his commentary is good if you want Trump to win. However, it’s the wrong approach if you want to build a viable third party.

      1. “Weld praising Clinton and bashing Trump is not going to attract any new votes.”

        That’s wrong. I meant to say it’s not going to attract any new Trump leaning votes.

      2. The key to independents is they DESPISE the hatred and divisiveness. Deeply. A quick reject if they have a choice. I suspect that’s why Gary and Bill have NEVER gone negative — even when the haters try and force them to.

        I won a local school board race and a VERY contentious tax revolt Most electoral libertarians learn how ro message both left and right. The diversity at rallies was almost expected. What I did NOT anticipate was how many parents told me they could not detect any bias or an agenda. Tells me they were looking. A small town, moistly in the same words, so I assume that’s how we (a slate) were talked about over back fences. There’s a lesson there, that I share as often as I can..

  29. Kennedy needs to interview Hihn. *giggles

    1. Kennedy: “So in that hotly contested water commissioner race”…

      Hihn:”Look, I’d rather discuss 10 year old CATO studies”.

      1. “So in that hotly contested water commissioner race”..

        LOL I was unopposed. Posted meeting minutes when Pat lied about my results, even fucked up that it’s non-partisan

        Shows us the “quality” of your sources. Traveling in a pack like wild dogs.

        Can you supply more recent studies or a SANE reason for skepticism, which ignores AL:L relevant data.
        Count ’em
        Sociial; Tolerance is up.
        Fiscal conservatism is stable.
        Adjust Gary’s poll results for the “antis” and he’s below 5%. WORSE than Cato’s ..against two widely hated candidates

        You lose again

        I call two new agressions pure ad hominem.

        (Mine posted in defense of aggression
        Okay, also ridicule))

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  31. Weld has plenty to criticize from a libertarian standpoint, but I do think that was a little too ridiculous. I agree with “she was trying to hard” to rail him, and on the wrong things.

    Honestly, even though Weld is the WORSE of the two on purely libertarian grounds, I almost think the ticket is backwards this go around. I think Weld might have been taken more seriously (he’s a lot more polished), and his wishy-washyness might actually have worked better on a broad swath of the electorate.

    Most Americans may be “fiscally conservative and socially liberal” but they’re not at the extremes on either of those points either. They’re “Ya taxes should come down a bit… We really don’t need another Solyndra scandal being funded with my tax money!” not “Do away with public school next week!!!” Likewise they’re “Gay marriage is fine, I just don’t really care what people do in their private lives.” Not “We need 6 different bathrooms at every public and private building! Or better yet force everybody to use ONE!!!” levels of derp.

    That’s why the squishy stuff would work. Personally I think Libertarian/libertarian leaning politicians should ALWAYS frame things as “I believe the underlying principle says we should do XXXX… But I’m not going to push for that right now, I’m going to push for YYYY because I think most people can agree that’s a reasonable compromise and a move in the right direction.”

    1. That way you’re staying principled, but also having a shot at actually getting something done. That is unfortunately NOT what Johnson/Weld, or practically anyone else has ever done. Ron Paul basically was like that on some stuff, but Rand and everybody else who is even remotely libertarian have picked and chosen their bad/extreme policies based on what they think are popular choices to a certain extreme subset.

      Politicians always have to frame things in extreme ideological positions, and pretend that’s what they really believe. What’s wrong with saying “I believe THIS is the best way, BUT I’m going to push for THAT because it’s doable, and moving in the right direction at least.” That’s how socialists have obliterated liberty… If it worked for them, it can work for us!

    2. Weld has plenty to criticize from a libertarian standpoint

      How many elections have you managed or campaigned?
      What is the purpose of a libertarian party candidate?

      Imagine you’re a candidate with this choice of platform plank.
      1) Propose a 50% spending cut which is impossible to pass. Your suppoirters use rhe standard cliche. He “wants to” sharply reduce government.”

      2) Spending has been out of control, over 15% annually in recent years. You have surrogates meet with pivotal leaders in the legislature. They guarantee you can reduce the growth to 6.5%.

      Which do you do?

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  34. When asked about Supreme Court cases he didn’t like, Weld’s first choice was Citizens United. The guy is a LINO, a bum, and an embarrassment to the LP.

  35. Good lord, *he’s* using the LP party. He’s playing second fiddle to Gary Johnson. The LP is using him, and he’s showing nothing but stature and grace.

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