Kennedy Puts Bill Weld Through the Wringer

Fox Business Network host challenges Libertarian veep nominee on his strategy, self-centeredness, and libertarian bonafides

Have you ever wanted to confront Libertarian Party vice presidential nominee William Weld about his real commitment to Libertarian politics, his Trump-centric antipathy to the presidential competition, his narcissism, his lack of love from Ron Paul, or the disputed claims made about him in this week's Boston Globe profile? Then you'll probably want to watch the grilling Weld received tonight at the hands of Reason pal Kennedy on Fox Business Network:

Reason on Bill Weld here.

Comments

[Derpetologist]

I like eels.
Except as meals.
And the way they feels.

[Derpetologist]

There it is, Derp. The cleverest thing you'll ever say- and no one was around to hear it.

[Hyperion]

One time, many moons ago, I was really, really high on weed. I'm talking fucking stoned. I drew this picture. I was sure it was the greatest thing since, I don't know, I knew it was great and it would blow everyone's mind. The next day when I took a look at my great artistic moment, I was like WTF hell is this shit? It sort of reminds of what you just said.

[Agent Cooper]

Was it the Flaming Globes of Sigmund?

[PapayaSF]

The first known evidence of this unusual anecdote appeared in the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper in November 1939. The article "Thanksgiving Nightmare" by Claire MacMurray discussed dreams and not drugs. MacMurray presented a supposed episode in the mental life of a person named Mrs. Amos Pinchot [APCM]:

She dreamed one night that she had written a poem so beautiful, so wise, so close to the ultimate truth of life that she was immediately acclaimed by all the peoples on the earth as the greatest poet and philosopher of all the ages. Still half asleep as the dream ended, she stumbled out of bed and scribbled the poem down, realizing that she must take no risk of forgetting such deathless lines. She awoke in the morning with the feeling that something wonderful was about to happen?oh, yes! Her poem.

She clutched the precious paper and, tense with excitement, read the words she had written. Here they are:

Hogamus Higamus
Men are Polygamous
Higamus Hogamus
Women Monogamous

[Akira]

That exact same thing happened to me one time, except the poem was:

A romance sweet yet forged in vain
Was there ever such a thang? (sic)

[Playa Manhattan.]

You're barking up the wrong bush.

[CatoTheChipper]

Eel sushi .... mmmm!

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Dude, unagi is the best.

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[Hyperion]

Let's get the bets going on how many times Kennedy interrupted the poor guy before we read the article?

[Hyperion]

Kennedy: It's said you aren't a true libertarian, what do you say to that?

Weld: Well, I...

Kennedy: But you said don't really support the legalization of cannabis? As a libertarian candidate, how to you defend that?

Weld: Well, I was going to answer the fir...

Kennedy: Ok, times up, let's play that trivia game we play! Ha! I got rid of that old fucker like I got rid of Matt Welch and that black dude, what was his name?

[darius404]

that black dude, what was his name

Now that's a low blow. Everyone remembers Michael Moynihan.

[PapayaSF]

Zing!

[Derpetologist]

Fat prog calls on fat people to rise up and vote against Trump:

link

"But by pointing a wee alabaster doll finger at fat nerds for the DNC hack, Trump didn't just express the standard disgust for fat bodies, he positioned fat people as dangers to national security."

There is no peak derp.

[Hyperion]

I hate to be the one to tell them... but as fat people, Donald Trump is not exactly their worse enemy. Maybe they should be looking at themselves as a possible problem before they get diabetes or a fucking heart attack.

[Derpetologist]

I like how she goes straight from Trump talking about 400 lb shut-ins and she somehow interprets that as "Trump things fat people are spies!"

[The Fusionist]

Your arguments have some weight.

[Ron]

Obama Care is the worst enemy of fat people soon they won't be able to buy their chips and sodas or else lose their medical care.

[GILMORE?]

"Fat, Self-Important and Stupid is no way to go through life, sister"

i glanced at the comments. there were like a dozen in a row that were "removed". It just goes to show that even guardian readers won't put up with dumb this intense.

[mad.casual]

*Looks up and down SJW victim-grievance ladder*

Tsk, tsk. Sorry, Fat Americans, looks like we're all out of room.

[MikeT1986]

I read fat prog and assumed Donald Trump.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Bourdain said the same thing a while back. He called for government intervention on the obesity epidemic because it was a matter of national security.

[Agile Cyborg]

this page hurts my fingers
and the neighborhoods of lives, man
the cities of everything almost the same
bro
the bowling and malls and sweet kitties
and this page fucking hurts my fingers
fuck this warped twisted target for old school
fear and wonder and lovely stories

this page hurts my arms and shoulders
this page hurts my bombs
this page hurts my politics

[Derpetologist]

Dramatic re-enactment of journalist who claimed he got PTSD from firing AR-15:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDOdq9iPMA4

http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.2673201

I've shot pistols before, but never something like an AR-15. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions ? loud like a bomb ? gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

[Derpetologist]

oopsy= last part above should be in quotes

[Hyperion]

I think testosterone injections might help here, or maybe he could just give it up and chop em off, change his name to Suzy or something.

[0x90]

So, that would be Suzy Kuntzman, then?

[mad.casual]

I think he did a pretty good job of convincing everyone that he sits down to pee.

[GILMORE?]

The smell of sulfur and destruction

The smell of destruction is unforgettable. Its like a mix of burning wigs and spoiled capers.

[0x90]

The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing.

The recoil of an AR, huh? I'd like to see his reaction to firing a pistol-grip mossberg.

[The Last American Hero]

I saw that on Facebook juxtaposed with a picture of a 9 year old girl firing an AR with no such problems.

[Agile Cyborg]

all the lives our genes and breathing fuck clouds
should shatter the bombs of the angry neighbors

[Agile Cyborg]

ar-15 angelics can stem the sum of oceanic zombies
but cannot address the infiltration of nuclear holocaust

[Crusty Juggler]

Old Bill looked pretty good as he was questioned by the extra serious, pursed-lipped conspiracy theorist Kennedy, who should have some reservations about bringing up a public figures early 90's actions.

[Agile Cyborg]

This page is not even real, man
it is as if this page was a million neck punches
and all the racing gods of this thing spilled into my hell Natchez Trace
and its sandwich valleys in 1998

[GILMORE?]

If given the opportunity, i'd have asked this question to Bill Weld:

- "Why do your suits always look like they were rained on, then crumpled in a ball? I suppose the same could be asked of your face."

[Derpetologist]

Dies derp?!
Dies illa!
Solvet s?clum in favilla,
Teste David cum Sibylla!

[The Fusionist]

Ooh, does even Bill Weld deserve this?

[The Fusionist]

I bet he'd rather I read poetry at him.

Or have the other Kennedy take him for a drive.

[Agile Cyborg]

under the golden cloth
the next visions live
and under the golden cloth
of fingers and minds pretending
fucking nothing
and shit that is literally fucking
worth fucking nothing
the golden cloth
of today is...
appraisers....
without them your fucking property
and shit aint worth crap but rest assured
they won't appreciate your fucking hacks on reality-
fucking whores run

[straffinrun]

Just give me Weld! Do it for me! If you give me Weld I'll do the very bestest I can.

[Agile Cyborg]

Reason is the dark volcano of prisms where the geniuses and queens form the
lightning of this movement of freedom angels..............into the forever streams of peace and fucking love

[Derpetologist]

Hard-hitting journalism from WaPo: Is your dog's Halloween costume sexist?

link

[The Fusionist]

""It seems silly on the surface, but this is part of a larger message we're sending, that there are certain jobs for men, and certain jobs for women," said Scott Lawrie, 36, who co-hosts a podcast, 'She will not be ignored,' about gender issues. "The career options for women ? and dogs ? need to go beyond pink loofahs and pink cowgirls.""

Career options for dogs include

herding sheep
scaring and perhaps even biting burglars
rescuing Alpine travellers
pulling Little Timmy out of wells

If a dog can be helpful in any of these ways, I don't care whether it's a bitch.

[The Fusionist]

And there are plenty of vacancies in the lucrative field of cheering people up, where scientific studies show that dogs are about 1000% more effective than most comedians.

[Derpetologist]

Especially if they wear little hats while yakety sax plays.

[The Fusionist]

10,000%

[MarkLastname]

That's not saying much. Aziz Ansari, Bill Maher, Samantha Bee? I'll take any dog over any of them.

[Derpetologist]

Especially if they bark Christmas carols:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XfJ5zksF4M

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

The three sub-linked stories:

Millennials are picking pets over people

Lunch is too expensive

What's happening to your Starwood points?

Just leaving that there.

[The Fusionist]

Weld thing
You make my heart sink
You make everything
Squishy

Weld thing, I think I don't like you
But I want to know for sure
Stand on that trapdoor over there
Ooh...I like it!

[Tman]

Kennedy: Do you prefer Clinton or Trump to win?

Weld: Well, Trump is icky....(Clinton)

Kennedy: Foreign policy seems like a weakness for Johnson, thoughts?

Weld: We can't run around overthrowing regimes and then running away and letting our weapons get in the hands of ISIS like with Benghazi or Syria!!

Me: Drinks bleach.

[The Fusionist]

Let me conclude with some words of wisdom from the great American poet Robert Frost:

I've got the power!
Hey yeah yeah
Like the crack of the whip
I snap attack, front to back
In this thing called rap,
Dingin' like a cymbal rhyme thimble
On a heavenly level
Bang the bass, turn up the treble,
Radical mind day and night all the time
Seven fourteen, wise divine

[Derpetologist]

Meanwhile, at junior thought police headquarters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zyMXqNWApU

[The Fusionist]

William Wordsworth was part of the flowering of the Romantic Movement in English poetry, thrilling readers with verses like this:

Salt and Pepa's here, and we're in effect
Want you to push it, babe
Coolin' by day then at night working up a sweat
C'mon girls, let's go show the guys that we know
How to become number one in a hot party show
Now push it

[Derpetologist]

Post-racial America Yakety Sax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kujm1QlNmlo

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Who is this...Welch person?

[Crusty Juggler]

He is some nerd who is the reason that I started to read Reason, and the man who helped me realize that I was a libertarian-minded person. So, he's kind of a dick.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

No, it's the folk guitar that makes him a dick.

[Derpetologist]

+1 cherry that had no stone

[Crusty Juggler]

Good point. He is my favorite political writer, but he is a dick for so many reasons. That guy...

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Oh yeah, the guy with the wardrobe issues...

[Crusty Juggler]

Yeah! He needs a giant, Internet commenting nerd to tell him how to dress.

[GILMORE?]

I resent that. I am not overly tall.

[Butts Wagner]

Welch doesn't respect any deals he agrees to.

[Crusty Juggler]

Animal House is 38 years old and it is still hilarious.

[PapayaSF]

True.

[The Fusionist]

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow was part of the exciting development of a distinctively American poetic voice. The reading public devoured his writing:

I hate myself for loving you
Can't break free from the things that you do
I wanna walk but I run back to you
That's why I hate myself for loving you

[AblueSilkworm]

Even now I'd love to give Kennedy a little spanking. Maybe not as much as 15 years ago - and not in anyway that'd immortalize us in a Sugarfree creation - but yes. It'd never work between us, though. She'd always need to be in charge.

[Derpetologist]

listen to world's oldest song, deciphered from 3400 year old tablet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brvy4BbK2ZQ

Needs more wah-wah-oohs

[geo1113]

Who knew Neil Young was that old!

[Derpetologist]

It's been a while since I've seen someone so gloriously miss the point:
https://youtu.be/diYhUmjl2lc?t=2m40s

[SparktheRevolt]

Hard to put someone through the ringer when you don't even have your facts straight.

She breaks out the "Ron Paul says vote for Jill Stein" (He did not)
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10.....stein-or-l

She regurgitates rhetoric that was proven factually inaccurate (Weld barnstorming Trump strongholds, only attacking Trump, etc.)

Where exactly does she get her segment research from?

[kidoje555]

like Katherine said I'm surprised that you able to make $8498 in four weeks on the internet
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[Glide]

I like Kennedy well enough, but I felt her line of questioning seemed pretty unfair there to me, presupposing a lot about Weld's ill intentions. It basically boiled down to "You're going back to the Republican party!" "No." "And you're somehow simultaneously a Clinton flunky!" "No." "And you only care about yourself!" "No." And then of course the Stein thing which is just not true.

Weld handled himself well in the face of that onslaught, although really Bill, how hard is it to stick to "they both suck!" instead of playing the media game about which of the two turds is shinier.

There's reasons to distrust Bill Weld policy-wise, but she skipped right over those and went to conspiracy theories about his party allegiance.

[Butler T. Reynolds]

I'm not a Bill Weld fan, but Kennedy was just trying too hard.

I don't know nothing, but I think the strategy might make sense. You're not going to win over the people who are voting for Trump. They are like moths to the porch light, and Trump is like stadium lights to them. Trump can say or do anything and they'll still vote for him.

There are a lot more people who find Trump repulsive, but who will vote for Hillary as a lesser of evils. If someone is libertarian-lite, fiscally responsible and socially tolerant, they aren't in the orbit of Trump. That's who they go after.

Do you spend more time attacking Hillary and run the risk of being confused with and sounding just like the Trump Humpers? Or, do you focus more energy attacking Trump, giving the folks who are disgusted by both somewhere acceptable to go?

[JWatts]

I like Kennedy, but that was a bad interview. Too aggressive on her part and too passive on his part.

That being said, if you want to be a distinct third party you have to be distinct. Weld praising Clinton and bashing Trump is not going to attract any new votes. Strategically you have to straddle the line and criticize both equally on policy grounds. Weld has failed to do so.

"Do you spend more time attacking Hillary and run the risk of being confused with and sounding just like the Trump Humpers? Or, do you focus more energy attacking Trump, giving the folks who are disgusted by both somewhere acceptable to go?"

Well, I despise Hillary so I approve of Weld playing into Trumps hand this way. As you stated, Weld's comments will tend to attract Hillary leaners far more than Trump leaners. So, his commentary is good if you want Trump to win. However, it's the wrong approach if you want to build a viable third party.

[JWatts]

"Weld praising Clinton and bashing Trump is not going to attract any new votes."

That's wrong. I meant to say it's not going to attract any new Trump leaning votes.

[bacon-magic]

Kennedy needs to interview Hihn. *giggles

[The Last American Hero]

Kennedy: "So in that hotly contested water commissioner race"...

Hihn:"Look, I'd rather discuss 10 year old CATO studies".

[thomasammy9]

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[vek]

Weld has plenty to criticize from a libertarian standpoint, but I do think that was a little too ridiculous. I agree with "she was trying to hard" to rail him, and on the wrong things.

Honestly, even though Weld is the WORSE of the two on purely libertarian grounds, I almost think the ticket is backwards this go around. I think Weld might have been taken more seriously (he's a lot more polished), and his wishy-washyness might actually have worked better on a broad swath of the electorate.

Most Americans may be "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" but they're not at the extremes on either of those points either. They're "Ya taxes should come down a bit... We really don't need another Solyndra scandal being funded with my tax money!" not "Do away with public school next week!!!" Likewise they're "Gay marriage is fine, I just don't really care what people do in their private lives." Not "We need 6 different bathrooms at every public and private building! Or better yet force everybody to use ONE!!!" levels of derp.

That's why the squishy stuff would work. Personally I think Libertarian/libertarian leaning politicians should ALWAYS frame things as "I believe the underlying principle says we should do XXXX... But I'm not going to push for that right now, I'm going to push for YYYY because I think most people can agree that's a reasonable compromise and a move in the right direction."

[vek]

That way you're staying principled, but also having a shot at actually getting something done. That is unfortunately NOT what Johnson/Weld, or practically anyone else has ever done. Ron Paul basically was like that on some stuff, but Rand and everybody else who is even remotely libertarian have picked and chosen their bad/extreme policies based on what they think are popular choices to a certain extreme subset.

Politicians always have to frame things in extreme ideological positions, and pretend that's what they really believe. What's wrong with saying "I believe THIS is the best way, BUT I'm going to push for THAT because it's doable, and moving in the right direction at least." That's how socialists have obliterated liberty... If it worked for them, it can work for us!

[ammythomas78]

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[puwodu15]

my Aunty Alexandra recently got an almost new silver Lincoln MKT Wagon by working part time off of a macbook.
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[Bags]

When asked about Supreme Court cases he didn't like, Weld's first choice was Citizens United. The guy is a LINO, a bum, and an embarrassment to the LP.

[Cordelia525]

Good lord, *he's* using the LP party. He's playing second fiddle to Gary Johnson. The LP is using him, and he's showing nothing but stature and grace.

[ammythomes89]

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[ammythomes89]

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[kfu57954]

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[ammythomas25]

Bryce . even though Samuel `s story is unbelievable... on tuesday I bought a great Peugeot 205 GTi after making $4790 this - four weeks past an would you believe $10k last month . it's definitly the most-comfortable work Ive ever done . I actually started 4 months ago and right away startad earning more than $85 p/h . find more info

................ http://www.BuzzNews10.com

[kitivebic]

my Aunty Ava just got a stunning yellow GMC Acadia SUV only from working parttime off a pc.
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[jupistar]

Re: #1 - I didn't see that. I saw her calling out a guy as being too cozy by far with the left. To the point that he's practically saying, "If you're not going to vote for us, throw your support to Hillary."

[Crusty Juggler]

Please email Kennedy and ask her.

[Playa Manhattan.]

How many people reject the Hihn brand? I'm thinking of a triple digit number.

[????]

I'm sure someone has made this point before, as you always seem to harp about this study, but holding libertarian views does not necessarily mean one is a libertarian. One can hold libertarian views on certain subjects while also rejecting the NAP.

I could go on, but you strike me as a troll.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

You bullies!

[jupistar]

I still don't see it, your claims notwithstanding.

I saw him claim that Weld was too leftist. That is not the same as promoting being "on the right". That's a false dichotomy.

As for your question, I assume "Sparky" is me, so feel free to eat a turd. But why she said that? Because they are? How is that relevant?

[jupistar]

After trying to demean me with the label "Sparky", you have a great deal of gumption to accuse others of verbal aggression.

[The Last American Hero]

I agree 100%-9%=91%.

[Pat (PM)]

He figured gumption was a pretty good substitute for a brain.

Just a protip for you, Hihn is an extremely mentally ill old man who is very probably (and in all seriousness) suffering from the terminal stages of dementia and believes he unlocked the key to political success 20 years ago when he lost with less than 2% of the vote in a local race for insurance commissioner on the Libertarian Party ticket. You will have more stimulating conversations tongue punching a household electrical outlet.

[Pat (PM)]

So basically you're saying that well over half of the voting population agrees with you 100%, but not enough to actually elect you local dog catcher. Yes, the LP would be wise to hitch its wagon to your star.

[BYODB]

Hihn isn't always wrong, or always right, but you can count on him to troll people until someone insults him then he'll go full-bore for that person's throat while claiming he's the aggrieved party. Sometimes it's accurate, but he knows full well that he's trolling. His tone and dripping disdain have nothing to do with the reaction people have to him, I'm sure.

[DesigNate]

There's nothing inherently wrong with hating Hillary. Especially if you are a pro-liberty minded person. (Note this does not preclude you from hating Trump as well.)

[Pat (PM)]

Btw, check back here somewhere between 8-10 hours from now so you can read him compulsively reply to every other post in this thread with an identical set of copied and pasted text referencing the "Paulistas", Christian Taliban, 91% and Cato once he's completely assured that the thread is dead. Then watch him do the exact same thing with the exact same text 2-3 weeks from now.

[jupistar]

Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I see his vomit of crap all over this comment thread. I'll avoid getting sucked into the fallacious and specious rabbit hole.

[jupistar]

Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I see his vomit of crap all over this comment thread. I'll avoid getting sucked into the fallacious and specious rabbit hole.

[jupistar]

Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I see his vomit of crap all over this comment thread. I'll avoid getting sucked into the fallacious and specious rabbit hole.

[Get To Da Chippah]

Keep touting a ten year old study as if it matters today, Hihn. Totally makes you sound lucid and not obsessed with dated info.

[bacon-magic]

I bet you see yourself as Humanity's only hope...while 99% of the rest of humanity will hope your insect/rodent problem doesn't become there issue when they move next to your packratted domicile. Sneers then shits on a Cato paper.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

I like what Hihn brings to the table, I don't think he's being unreasonable when he says that the LP needs a clear platform.

[Get To Da Chippah]

PLUS CATO!!!!!

Seriously, dipshit, touting that ten year old polling result and pretending it's current information is like touting the results of the 1976 election and stating that 50% of today's electorate want Jimmy Carter as president.

Fleck spittle on your keyboard and monitor all you want.

[Get To Da Chippah]

PLUS CATO!!!!!

Seriously, dipshit, touting that ten year old polling result and pretending it's current information is like touting the results of the 1976 election and stating that 50% of today's electorate want Jimmy Carter as president.

Fleck spittle on your keyboard and monitor all you want.

[Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper]

What makes this funny is that I'm using Reasonable to hide his comments, and there's like half a page of blank divs below your comment that say "Michael Hihn" when I hover over them.

[Red Rocks Dickin Bimbos]

so you can read him compulsively reply to every other post in this thread with an identical set of copied and pasted text referencing the "Paulistas", Christian Taliban, 91% and Cato once he's completely assured that the thread is dead.

All the while claiming that he's being "stalked."

[????]

Pure sophistry. You make a fallacious appeal to authority by criticicing me for with CATO.

"So if a statist shares the libertarian view on gay marriage ... he's NOT libertarian."

No. He's not "a" libertarian, he is still a statist who rejects the NAP. He might have libertarian ideas on that issue, but that does not make him a libertarian. Completely consistent with what I said.

You have twisted my argument by omitting the indefinite article and demonstrated an unwillingness to argue in good faith. You are a troll.

I will feed you no more.

[JWatts]

The bolding, italicizing and frequent use of all capped words, along with some judicious name calling, also help to convey the image of sane and thoughtful argumentation .... clearly he's not some crazy person posting rants to the internet.

[bacon-magic]

*their

[DesigNate]

Bolding and all caps has been the equivalent of internet yelling for years now, and somehow we're all the aggressors.

[jupistar]

I've never talked to him before until I disagreed with 1 of his 3 points, respectfully. And his ad hominem attack on me came out of nowhere. Then he completely ignored that fact as he tried to stupidly argue for his position even though I brought it to his attention twice. And the stupid part is assuming that a person can't maintain a equally disdainful position towards two sides and expecting his party's leaders to not publicly profess a preference for *other party leadership*.

I'm skipping everything else he writes from now on.

[jupistar]

Exactly the point.

[The Last American Hero]

Here's a series of credible surveys rejecting fiscal conservatism: The 2004, 2008, 2012, and especially 2016 Presidential Elections - you know, the ones where no major party candidate gave lip service to fiscal conservatism except maybe kinda in the Team Red Primary. Or the 2006, 2008, 2012, 2016 congressional races, where fiscal conservatism is number 83 on the list of voter concerns. I'll give you 2010 and maybe if I'm generous 2014, except the guys elected there turned around and continued to not shut down the gov't and to fund continuing resolutions that jacked up the debt. They may have slowed spending down, but that was mainly due to hatred for Obama and not some principled stand.

[The Last American Hero]

and this time don't attach dick pics.

[jupistar]

Here you go: http://reason.com/blog/2016/10.....nt_6450357

[jupistar]

You directly called me a demeaning name. However you spin it, it's the truth. You're clearly very intellectually dishonest. I will not carry this conversation forward any further.

[jupistar]

You consistently type my moniker incorrectly, I suppose I should assume this is accidental. I do not.

Your "very detailed" explanation was nothing but spin and deflection. You are dishonest.

Please refrain from talking to me further on any topic at any time. I don't care to converse with you.