Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson as Governor of New Mexico: A Thoughtless Politician, Or One Laser-Focused on Spending?

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A new profile in the Washington Post of Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson's career as Republican governor of New Mexico in the 1990s has a headline that promises an expose of a politician who just doesn't know nearly enough about policy to be viable: "Years Before 'Aleppo Moment,' Gary Johnson Showed Little Interest in Details of Governing."

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Reporter Robert Samuels indeed found many people involved in the state's politics during Johnson's administration to say dismissive things about his perspicacity. A representative sample, both specific and generic:

Longtime state Sen. Stuart Ingle (R) recalled how Johnson, soon after taking office in 1995, mostly shrugged and stared during their first meeting together. As Ingle asked Johnson questions about his agenda, Ingle said, Johnson's most common refrain was, "I don't know."….

Over the next eight years, New Mexico lawmakers would struggle to work with a governor who paid little attention to details. Those who worked closely with Johnson, then a Republican elected as a political novice vowing to shake up the established order, recall a chief executive who would speed through meetings and often preferred to discuss his fitness routine than focus on the minutiae of policymaking…..

"It is easy to make simple decisions when you don't spend time learning about the nuances of policy," said state Sen. Mimi Stewart (D)…Stewart said Johnson was never vindictive or mean, but he just did not focus when she sought to talk with him about policies such as improving education….

"A know-it-all dictator," is how the late state representative Jerry Lee Alwin, a conservative Republican, described Johnson to the news media at the time. "He just doesn't listen."

But Libertarians or even fiscal conservatives could easily read this same profile and see qualities to admire, even if politicians and bureaucrats might not: a governor laser-focused on cutting spending over becoming a knowledgable policy wonk, and running a disciplined office.

Some details:

As governor, he imposed schedule discipline. His Cabinet would meet precisely at 8 a.m. every Monday, power bars and water at the table. Each member had only two minutes to deliver a report.

"If you can't explain it in two minutes, it doesn't need to be done," said Diane Kinderwater, Johnson's former communications director…..

"With [Johnson], it was always, 'Yes,' 'No' or 'I'll think about it,' " said Ingle, the state senator. "It would take five or six minutes. He had an agenda and he knew what he wanted to figure out."

Then, perhaps the real reason New Mexican legislators might have found Gov. Johnson annoying or frustrating:

The first time the legislature sent a budget to Johnson's desk, Ingle said, lawmakers thought they had done well by allotting only "a couple hundred-thousand dollars" more than Johnson's goal of $2.8 billion.

Johnson vetoed it.

"We couldn't believe it," Ingle said. "But I said, at least he told us what he was going to do. This man is honest."

Annual summaries compiled by nonpartisan legislative aides during that time describe Johnson's relationship with the legislature as "rocky" and "strained." Over eight years, he vetoed more than 700 bills.

Steven Neville was a Republican county commissioner in rural San Juan County, in the state's upper northwest corner, when the legislature agreed to spend $1 million in preparation for a national rodeo competition being held there. Johnson vetoed the measure. As a result, the county had to find money on its own…..

An examination of eight years of legislation showed that Johnson vetoed a bill to create specialized license plates because he thought it was too costly. He vetoed the formation of an African American affairs committee and a task force examining how to get equal pay for women because he thought they were a waste of time and money.

I wrote back in June about the debate over whether or not Johnson was sufficiently tough on taxes and spending during his New Mexico days.

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  1. “Over eight years, he vetoed more than 700 bills.

    Any governor that vetoes more than 700 bills can’t be all bad.

    1. yep. good enough to get re-elected by an even bigger margin for another 4 years

      1. This says more than his coworkers. If they dont like him for his veto or budget concerns, who cares. The people reelected him.

    2. ” Gary Johnson Showed Little Interest in Details of Governing.”

      Well that ensures GayJay won’t be receiving any votes from the McCuckerman household !

      1. I hope you realize that your bathhouse boy, Trump, is going to be fantastically worse. Prime example, why did he offer to make Kasich “the most powerful VP in history”? Because Trump has zero interest in fulfilling the obligations and responsibilities of the office. ZERO!

        Hello, Pot, meet Kettle.

        1. Bullshit.Has anyone outside of Kasich’s camp said he was offered? Cause if Trump did that shit-weasel would’ve taken the job even if he was only promised state funerals and ship christenings.

          1. It’s a fact. Trump won’t do the work you expect him to do, that’s a fact. You apparently have no idea how he runs his companies. You’re in for a rude awakening.

      2. I am confused. Is McCuckerman your last name?

        1. I’ll just do posterity a favor and point out that this was a combination of McCardle, Suderman, and “cuck”, as this would be completely impenetrable to people from the future.

    3. 700. Even as a pot head he is pretty good at vetoes.

  2. Coolidge Moment!

    1. With throats unslaked, with black lips baked,
      We could nor laugh nor wail;
      Through utter drought all dumb we stood!
      I bit my arm, I sucked the blood,
      And cried, A sail! a sail!

      1. Dropping some Rimes?

  3. Sounds like the legislature had sour grapes about Johnson not giving a damn about their pet projects, their grandstanding, and their lack of discipline. Finally, someone gives me a reason to vote for the guy.

    And this:

    As Ingle asked Johnson questions about his agenda, Ingle said, Johnson’s most common refrain was, “I don’t know.”

    […]

    “A know-it-all dictator,” is how the late state representative Jerry Lee Alwin, a conservative Republican, described Johnson to the news media at the time. “He just doesn’t listen.”

    Is of course quite the contradiction. Amusing that this mostly came from old-guard Republicans of the sort who play lapdog to Democrats.

    1. “Finally, someone gives me a reason to vote for the guy.”

      No shit Immaculate. It’s about damned time. I still don’t think he is a serious candidate but this sounds like the kind of guy I want in the oval office. I still have a serious problem with Weld.

  4. “…Annual summaries compiled by nonpartisan legislative aides during that time describe Johnson’s relationship with the legislature as “rocky” and “strained.” Over eight years, he vetoed more than 700 bills.
    Steven Neville was a Republican county commissioner in rural San Juan County, in the state’s upper northwest corner, when the legislature agreed to spend $1 million in preparation for a national rodeo competition being held there. Johnson vetoed the measure. As a result, the county had to find money on its own…..”

    This alone…

    1. I was a little puzzled why the “reporter” put all that stuff that would seem to directly contradict his thesis in his story, then I realized, to the authoritarian-worshiper writing that story, vetoing govt overreach fits right in as “not governing” and therefore failing as a leader.

      1. I see it as similar to the claim that those who would prefer a medical market are therefore whacky, since they ‘can’t propose an alternative to O-care!’

      2. After seeing the negative title and then reading all the positive things mentioned in the article, I postulate that the young reporter wrote a complimentary article, but the editors put a negative spin on it; the editors just had to give it a negative title and then 2 staffers “added” to the article. At the end of the article, the WP has: “Alice Crites and Emily Guskin contributed to this report.”

  5. Reporter Robert Samuels…

    Being a bit too kind here I’d say.

    1. Yeah.

      Democrat cocksucker extraordinare would be more correct.

  6. Sorry democrats, I will NOT hold my nose and waste my vote on Hillary Clinton, who is a bigger war monger than Dick Cheney, and supports the racist and un Constitutional war on drugs.

    Sorry democrats, I will NOT hold my nose and waste my vote on the racist war monger Hillary Clinton.

    1. Also, just for the record, she accepted money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

      I don’t know if you guys heard about that. But it’s true. And it’s a deal breaker.

      Hillary Clinton accepted money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

      P.S. Hillary Clinton accepted money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

      1. It’s ok, she’s a democrat.

      2. she didn’t do it intentionally

        1. She looked the other way when they handed it to her and didn’t count it! See?!

      3. She can’t recall doing this, and her entire staff has immunity from everything.

  7. classic hit piece.he has both sides worried he’s going to take “their” votes in what might be a very close election.

    elections are too important to be left to voters.

  8. No need to butter me up, Reason. I’m standing by my man Gary no matter which unknown coast of, what even is geography, that we find ourselves in after a night of sweet herb frollicks.

    Serious note — the single biggest, standout counter to ‘aleppo talk’ which was already pointed out by reason the day it happened — the fucking NY Times had to issue two corrections for their misuse of Aleppo in the article they spurned out to shame Gary.

    1. Johnson hasn’t done himself too many favors since then vis-a-vis foreign policy.

      But damn, if he spent his 4 years in the White House doing nothing but vetoing every bill that would increase the Federal budget, he’d be the greatest President in 50 years, even if he spent the rest of his time smoking pot and never looking at maps.

      1. He has worked hard for the socially tolerant portion of his platform. Good to see a hit piece to speak to the fiscal conservative slice of his electorate.

      2. Honestly, I would prefer the President not spend much time looking at maps. That’s when they start to think they’re playing some sort of game of Risk.

        1. Well, we’ve disarmed Europe and have our own military bases and personnel all over that continent, as well as others. All we need to do is invade China, and bam! We got everything north of the equator and can mop up Africa and use its resources to invade south America!
          DenverJ for Warlord 2016!

          1. Ukraine is game to you?!

          2. Me like cut of jib

      3. Johnson not knowing where or what Aleppo was…. disqualifying.

        Hillary not knowing/following/caring about confidentiality requirements and proceedures….innocent mistake, she didn’t mean to.

        FUCK MY COUNTRY if it elects traitorous shit like her…

        Johnson is a good man. The media in our country is evil and has turned against us….

        1. Anyone that thinks Aleppo is “disqualifying” needs to prove that they never learned details of a job while on-the-job. He understood what was happening in Syria broadly and had an idea of how he wanted to approach it. They act like the president won’t have advisors and briefings where they fill him in with details.

          It’s more disqualifying to me to know all that and get the answer of “what to do about it” so wrong.

          You can gain knowledge but it’s hard to erase bad character.

    2. True, and now MSM mentions Aleppo daily to make it seem inconceivable that anyone wouldn’t know what Aleppo is. From what I can tell from the media, the rest of Syria is completely at peace now except for Aleppo.

  9. legislative aides during that time describe Johnson’s relationship with the legislature as “rocky” and “strained.

    You mean, almost like the Founders envisioned? Three branches, each fighting to keep the others in check?

    THE
    HORROR!

  10. Also, I came by an interesting statistic the other day.

    Chelsea Clinton is worth some $15 million.

    I’d understand if she were left-handed and had a 95 mph fast ball. But she’s not that.

    Where did Chelsea Clinton get $15 million?

    You know that spam we see sometimes about how somebody’s sister’s cousin’s uncle’s niece is making $895.40 an hour working from home? Well, somehow, Chelsea Clinton seems to have gotten on board with that!

    1. A cam-girl that’s paid to keep her clothes on?

      1. That would be more honorable than taking bribe money your mother got from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

        1. It’s odd that the Bill and Hillary didn’t kick out more kids and spread their virus around like the Kennnedys did.

          1. Especially since Hillary is all about the children

          2. Did they have any? There’s always the old theory that Bill shoots blanks, and that a few months into Bill’s first term as governor, while he used his new celebrity and power to sample a wide variety of opportunities, a neglected-feeling Hillary had an affair with her colleague Webb Hubble at the Rose Law Firm.

    2. Surely you jest. $15 million for doing what? Are cattle futures involved?

      1. For less than nothing. For merely being a pathway to power.

      2. My guess: orange juice futures.

      3. “Surely you jest. $15 million for doing what? Are cattle futures involved?”

        However else she got it, she’s also on the board of the Clinton Foundation.

    3. Doesn’t she also rake in a lot for speaking fees? Obviously she’s just another conduit for bribing Hillary.

      1. Because everybody wants to hear what Chelsea Clinton has to say–and they’re willing to pay to hear her say it, too!

      2. What the fuck does she speak about?

    4. Her parents. Put it in perspective. I’m hoping that when I finally go to sing with the choir invisible, my daughter will be worth several hundred thousand. I consider myself solidly lower middle class.

      Hillary is probably worth more than Donald trump. So her daughter being ‘worth ‘ $15m is probably understandable.

    5. She did marry that ((((guy)))) who made a killing on Greek government bonds

      1. I’m glad that never took off here on H&R.
        Also, you know who else”othered” Jews?

        1. OMWC changed his handle to one with “echoes”.

          1. Yes i know. The “echos” are used in neo Nazi web sites like Reason to denote (((Jew))).

        2. Pharoh Fawcett?

          1. No. Her husband, Ragnar.

    6. Where did Chelsea Clinton get $15 million?

      Well, she married an investment banker.

      1. Hey! You forgot the (((echoes))).

    7. She was on MSNBC’s payroll making something like $25,000 per minute of airtime. Basically, they signed her to a big contract and then never had her do much actual work. I wonder what MSNBC found so profitable about that relationship? Surely this was not about buying access to the Clintons.

      http://www.businessinsider.com…..nbc-2014-6

      1. The GEICO Gecko interview only added up to $.75 mil

      2. Maybe not access but just permission to live ?

      3. “I wonder what MSNBC found so profitable about that relationship?”

        “We have an exclusive with the Secretary of State on the developing story in…”
        Fucking Clintons would’a sold Chelsea, but she’s so ugly, no one hit the ‘buy it now’ on Ebay.

    8. Pretty sure Chelsea Clinton was employed at hedge fund at some point.

  11. “But Johnson ended up unnerving lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, who complained that he rarely took their ideas seriously.”

    If their ideas include state-subsidized rodeos, why *should* he take them seriously?

    “When the vetoes started to pile up that first year, legislators tried to make amends by inviting him to participate in discussions about how they should spend money, according to legislative notes in the state Capitol. Johnson’s reply, again, was “no.””

    Sounds like a discussion to me.

    “Mommy, can I have a box of Sugar Frosted Sugary Snax?”

    “No.”

    “Mommy refuses to engage in dialogue!”

    1. Uncle Devil says I can.

    2. The fact that they think this is bad proves the media doesn’t know shit about libertarians.

      1. Or about how separation of powers is supposed to work.

  12. The hilarious thing about this attempt at a hit piece is that most of the NM legislators concede at the end they respect Johnson and that he grew to be a better governor as he progressed in his tenure.

    Combine that with his very successful record and you end up with an article that supports the notion that not having much interest in governing is a good thing.

    The Democrats are terrified of the LP nominee and it’s awesome.

    1. Not just Democrats. Faux News has already stated Gary Johnson couldn’t name a single foreign leader.

      1. Breitbart radio wont mention him, they slipped this morning and let a caller through who brought him up, Johnson was quickly dismissed as not-serious and then the host quickly moved on. ‘Not serious’, this from the cheerleaders of the guy whose stump speech is a stand up routine.

      2. Breitbart radio wont mention him, they slipped this morning and let a caller through who brought him up, Johnson was quickly dismissed as not-serious and then the host quickly moved on. ‘Not serious’, this from the cheerleaders of the guy whose stump speech is a stand up routine.

      3. FACTCHECK:

        Johnson clearly states; “the former president of Mexico” who IS a world leader.

        Johnson: I guess I’m having an Aleppo moment in the former president of Mexico.

        Matthews: But I’m giving you the whole world.

        Johnson: I know, I know, I know.

        Matthews: But I’m giving you the whole world. Anybody in the world you like. Anybody. Pick any leader.

        Johnson: The former president of Mexico.

        Matthews: Which one?

        Johnson: I’m having a brain … “

        Faux News claim is ruled mostly false and at least two Pinochios are trying to douse their flaming pants.

        1. I’m guessing he was trying to remember Vincente Fox.
          I can never remember Christopher Walken’s name.

          1. That actor’s name, you, don’t remember it?
            Sacrilege!

            1. Very good. I heard his voice

            2. Also, is a shame, because i think he’s a great actor. I have rented movies for the only reason that he was in them. But, I always forget his name.

          2. I thought he was going for Antonio L?pez de Santa Anna.

        2. So he actually did sort of name one but Mexico wasn’t good enough?

      4. Fox News has fallen to the god damned democrats, just a wait and see.

        Meghan Kelly’s fawing interview with President Hillary will mark the end….

        1. Megyn Kelly and Dana Perino are all in with Hitlery. They have been for well over a year now.

  13. “Although he describes himself as a social liberal, Johnson angered many on the left when he ended collective bargaining for state employees and cut off Medicaid funding for abortions that doctors deemed medically necessary.”

    Hey, social liberals aren’t so bad after all!

    “Johnson now says he regrets the Medicaid decision.”

    Oh, Gary, you had to go and ruin it.

    1. (Incidentally, this is how the MSM and conventional wisdom define social liberal – someone who’s cool with taxpayer-funded abortions and collective bargaining for government employees. Apparently, gary has come to accept half of that definition.)

      1. You know, I can’t actually find where Johnson regretted his “Medicaid decision.” Does the Post have a cite?

    2. Ending public employee collective bargaining is enough for me. That’s the holy grail of fiscal reform at state and local levels.

      1. To a prochoice libertarian, this article makes him sound like a dream candidate.

      2. Agree, especially if that includes pension reform

    1. Here’s a comment:

      Man, that’s annoying, and I speak as an expert annoyer.

      1. You’re the Pope of Annoyance Town.

          1. They do call him Captain Jack Marrow.

            1. Don’t pay him no mind, girl. He think he dolemite.

              1. I think I get it finally, but HM is a tad weirder than usual.

                1. u wot m8?

    2. So not heroic.

    3. This meditation technique is just too good to be true! It is really powerful. When I danced as a skeleton all of the sudden my identity was not there any longer and I felt the oneness with the Cosmos. It was better than any cardio work-out as well. Such a fun and happy way of meditating.? I am laughing…This Skeleton Dance takes over on flesh and remove all social conditioning. Integrity with skeleton is the direct way to liberation… What a simple and powerful technique, real gift from Sada Shiva Himself! Gratitude to Guru?. This is not meant metaphorically. Our physical forms are just manifestations of the Cosmic Mind, and Swamiji has told us that bio-memory is made of our various cognitions about life. Bones are the strongest part of our existence, they are the basis for all our muscles, organs and flesh. Similarly, integrity is also the strongest part Existence – think about how much integrity the Cosmos has in carrying out karma, the law of cause and effect – it is unfailing! As body and mind are both matter (mind is just subtle matter), if we can change one, we can change the other. By playing with physiology, we can affect changes in our psychology as well. That is why this skeleton visualization can manifest the power of integrity.?

        1. Integrity should be our way of life!!? Integrity is a biomemory stored in your bone structure..If you are integrated to your bone structure, automatically integrity starts happening in you..Technique is Visualize the strength of your bone structure is the strength of your integrity…hold on to your skeleton and dance 21 or 42 min.. This awakens the integrity pattern physically…Anything you say it will become reality even if it is not possible as per law of physics…?

          1. You are prepared for the skeleton war.

            1. I still have half a bag of dragon’s teeth.

  14. Sounds like a hero to me.

    BTW, what is someone doing in the state senate for 30+ years?!?!? Get a job Ingle, you bum!

  15. The only question left is, has this moved SIV’s approval meter, and if so, how far?

    Btw reason, thanks for reporting this, I think you finally gave libertarians a reason to like the guy. Conversely, you’ve given democrats a reason to call him hitler.

    1. Hitler only had one ball.

      1. Do you know who else, uh, never mind.

      2. Goering had two, but they’re quite small.

  16. Another Venezuelan horror story.

    http://hotair.com/archives/201…..venezuela/

      1. They’re importing from the US now. No joke.

    1. Fuck, I got 1/3rd into it by skimming and I can’t continue. Fuck the US media. And Reason? Jesus, send a correspondent. This is the libertarian story of the decade. I recommend Moynihan. I hear he’s free.

      1. It’s probably dangerous for a libertarian journalist down there. Send Shikha instead.

        1. Fuck that, she’d blame it on trump.

        2. It’s probably dangerous for a libertarian journalist down there. Send Shikha instead.

          Excelsior!

    2. The exact same care is available to anyone, so that makes it better than here. And it’s cheaper, too.

      1. And every room has an intimate view of the local wildlife. You don’t get that in capitalist countries!

    3. Fuck! Is there a charity for this kid, or for Venezuelans in general, that I can donate to?

      1. You may as well send your money straight to Maduro so he can feed and arm the army.

        1. Good point. I guess they’re boned till they get rid of the socialists.

      2. I dunno, is it possible to put a Kickstarter or GoFundMe together to finance the elimination of a tyrannical piece of socialist filth? Probably a TOS violation.

        1. I like this, Newsletter?

        2. I like this idea.

  17. I just want to say this.
    I understand Trump supporters.
    I understand Johnson/Weld supporters.
    I understand Bernie supporters.
    IMHO Hillary supporters should be lined up and shot.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-Z_psXODw

      1. No. They “should be” not “I will”

  18. I’m not an enthusiastic fan of Johnson, but every time they attack him I end up liking him more.

    His Aleppo moment showed that he will admit what he doesn’t know instead of pretending to know everything. The Chris Mathews thing was a dumb question that was twisted by the media, and him not being able to name a politician he admires is not surprising for a libertarian.

    Nothing here makes me think any less of him as well. So, as my absentee ballot has arrived, I guess I’ll go ahead and vote for him.

    1. I am not an enthusiastic fan of Johnson

      What is something Winston’s mom is never said?

      1. Daily double penetration

  19. BREAKING NEWS: Partisans Torpedo Third Party Candidate

  20. #ourmoment

    I hear the Toronto Blue Jay’s are having a better than average season.

  21. “Each member had only two minutes to deliver a report.”

    I’m a bit disappointed. Why did he give them so much time?

    1. He knew some of them weren’t real bright, but he was willing to cut ’em some slack.

  22. Hey, Playa! If your internet isn’t down:

    “Robert Reich urged by faculty group as new UC Berkeley chancellor”
    http://www.sfgate.com/educatio…..694559.php

    According to one of the commenters, “he happens to also be one of the smartest men living.”
    I’d say that pretty much disqualifies the commenter as a judge of such matters.

    1. The walking, talking brain-fart is one of the smartest men living. Got it.

      1. If that guy were so smart, he wouldn’t write the same damn column week after week: “The poor are getting rich slower than the rich are getting richer!”

        1. Also, the odds of Berkeley picking a white male as chancellor is roughly about 1 in 1,000.
          But I suppose if they’d ever go down that road it would be with Short Ribs.

  23. a politician who just doesn’t know nearly enough about policy to be viable

    The entire thread of argument around johnson is based around a massive conceptual error = assuming that the point of 3rd party votes is about their “viability as candidates”…rather than as a protest-vote, in order to signal to the major parties where they are falling short in terms of their own pitches to voters.

    (*its noted that this is the same criticism i’ve made of *defenses* of johnson that Brian has made… where he’s said – more or less – that his squishy quasi-libertarianism doesn’t matter, because see, really what he’s about is “competence in governance” … when there’s absolutely zero chance of him ever governing *anything*. Protest votes aren’t about their qualifications to govern – they’re about the Big Ideas they differ on relative to the major parties)

    Protest votes don’t need to “know everything about every policy”; they just need to be consistent on the few areas they DO care about. e.g. fiscal sanity, e.g. Ending foreign interventions, e.g. reducing the growth of leviathan, etc.

    They don’t have to be the total-package, and constantly demonstrate competence in all potential aspects – they just need to bang the drum about the “key issues” they’re campaigning on. Sadly, GJ has also sometimes fallen short here – but that’s not of course what the NYT and their ilk base their attacks on.

  24. I find it amusing that Trump fans utterly detest Gary Johnson. If you’re libertarian, you’re obviously turned off by his gay wedding cake stance and such, but if you’re a Trump fan, why should that matter? You’re not voting for him anyways and a viable Gary Johnson means less votes for Clinton.

    Instead Trumpsters laugh at his “Aleppo gaffe” alongside liberals who want to take him down for the sake of Clinton. I don’t buy for a second that Trump hasn’t smoked pot. His brain is addled even without drugs.

    1. My Trump fandom is a totally separate thing from my hate of GayJay (which dates to his 2012 GOP primary run). I am happy that he is reportedly taking dope-addled, low-information “Bernie-bro” voters away from Clinton. My beef with Johnson isn’t what he doesn’t know, it is with what he “does know” that is totally WRONG!

      1. Jeans should be worn without a belt?

          1. Yeah, that damn Johnson ties a RED onion to his belt; SIV pissed!

            1. Do you have six bees for a quarter?

            2. Are you kidding me Sevo ?
              Red Onions are the shit.
              You can serve them raw, or cooked.
              =D

              1. pickled.

        1. Jeans should be worn without a belt

          What are you on about?

          1. Pants, any pants, without a belt are a sign of dorkitude.

            1. ^Must be a FAT guy^

      2. So I tied an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time….

        [wanders off to yell at cloud]

        1. Hey Derpy Sevo is pretty cool.
          He is an old guy, but he is my type of old guy,
          =D

          1. Hey, that’s ‘youth-challenged’, pal.

    2. They don’t like successful, self-made businessmen that actual built their own businesses.

  25. the nuances of policy

    Nuances like how to squeeze more money out of the taxpayers.

    -jcr

  26. Gosh, they almost make it sound like he was an executive running a branch of government or something.

    1. Gosh, they almost make it sound like he was an executiveperson used to getting shit done running a branch of government or something. FTFY.

      That’s the biggest thing I got from the article. Johnson, unlike Trump, actually built a successful building from the ground up. Was probably great at efficient, to the point communications, no bullshit, not wasting time. The utter and complete opposite mindset from politicians and the way they think and speak. So among politicians, he may as well have been from Mars.

  27. My idiot local newsman just told me that the city fire department spent the day practicing repelling off of a local building.

    1. I read an article on CNN that referred to Dari as the language of the Pashto people, which is sort of like referring to Swedish as the language of the Italian people. I don’t have Gellman amnesia anymore.

      “When they see Zari they are looking so happy,” says 18-year-old Sima Sultani, the puppeteer who voices the character in the Pashto language, Dari.

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/…..reet-zari/

      1. Whats crazy about that shit is that the article has a byline with 3 people. You’d think one might have actually caught that.

        1. You’re assuming that one of them could actually pour piss out of a boot when the instructions are on the heel. That’s a bad assumption when it comes to journalists.

      2. Worse than that, since Pashto is the language, and Pashtun are the people. More like referring to Korean as the language of the Mandarin people.

        1. So . . . are you Chinese or Japanses?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_CaZ4EAexQ

          All that cultural sensitivity and they still end up like Hank Hill.

    2. the city fire department spent the day practicing repelling off of a local building.

      (insert picture of fireman waving fly-swatter at flying buildings, occasionally spraying himself with Deet)

  28. Canadians love their baseball. They’re trying to steal our national pastime.

    BUILD THAT WALL!

    1. KEEP OUT THE GREAT WHITE NORTH WALKERS!

    2. BUILD IT GOOD!

  29. Hooray for attack ads:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8erEp_TL-UM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkJ5Zq-GeU

    Just finished filling out my absentee ballot: voted for Johnson and 6 other libertarians. Voted for 9 GOpers in races with no libertarians. I know 2 of them personally. Voted Democrat once because they GOPer got arrested for DUI. That guy was running for district attorney.

    God bless America!

    1. I liked the 50 points ad.

  30. “With [Johnson], it was always, ‘Yes,’ ‘No’ or ‘I’ll think about it,’ ” said Ingle, the state senator. “It would take five or six minutes. He had an agenda and he knew what he wanted to figure out.”

    “We couldn’t believe it,” Ingle said. “But I said, at least he told us what he was going to do. This man is honest.”

    Now I get that you can basically print anything and the partisans will eat that shit up as their new winning argument, but saying “this guy is unfit for office because he’s focused and honest” seems to be a poor strategy.

    1. He wont bend over backwards for Congress! What a dick!
      /muhcronyism

    2. “he’s focused and honest”
      That’s only what is demanded of CEOs. Those who aren’t seeking evil profits are encouraged to be otherwise because the ends justify the means.

  31. HA! The veep debate doesn’t even rate a twit storm and open thread here.

    1. Is that what was on 11 channels of Canadian TV? Jesus.

  32. You know what I can’t wait for? November 9th. That gives us a two – maybe even three! – week break before the run up to “Decision ’20”. I’m just dreading the “2020 – Vision For The Future” slogan someone’s bound to pick.

      1. He should hurry up and trademark that shit.

    1. guaranteed that one person running will be the most despised ever

      1. For the most important election ever!

    2. If Clinton wins there’s a chance for Rand. If Trump wins we will get President Warren in January 2021. We can expect death camps then.

      1. I’m gonna charge the wire with a pointed stick.

      2. I can only pray for President Warren G.

  33. So Grucifer 2.0 released a bunch of Clinton Fpundation emails. Turns out the. Amos receiving TARP funds gave a set percentage of it to the Clinton Foundation and several Dem Pacs
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/…..documents/

    Looks everyone who pays taxes is a Clinton donor.

    1. Will this go anywhere

      1. It is bad enough I guess the. Lintons are claiming it fake. I don’t see him a it is fake. And if they are claiming it is it must be because they got nothing else and think it will hurt them.

        1. If nothing else it will force her supporters to further humiliate themselves as the keep supporting her anyway. That is always fun

          1. That’s kind of lost it’s fun for me. They now resemble lab monkeys pathetically slamming the button that gives them a hit of coke in their sheer desperation to come up with excuses.

            1. They have so conmpromised themselves there is no going back.

              1. They’ve stared into the abyss, alright.

                1. Do you think Hillary makes them do that? It would be one hell of an initiation.

                  1. Only her OB/GYN has to do that.

            2. Or women in close to a full body cast desperately insisting that they just accidentally slipped and fell down the stairs. 27 times over the course of three months. You almost want to feel pity until you remember that they’re also letting the same piece of shit molest their kid because it keeps him coming around with the meth.

      2. “Will this go anywhere”

        Have you ever cooked with teflon? Nothing sticks to the Clintons.

        1. Remember this gem? And this is just what a former Clinton advisor can get away with. Trump said he could shoot someone on the street and poll numbers would go up. Maybe, but he would be prosecuted and persecuted by the media. If Hillary did it, she and media would just go on as if nothing ever happened.

          http://www.spectacle.org/0804/wilson.html

          1. Ha, now they just get the FBI to destroy the evidence for them.

        2. Bill maybe — hard to judge considering he was in office during good times — but not Hillary. Hillary would be getting clobbered by anybody other than Trump.

          Thanks Rush, thanks Sean, thanks Chairman Reince.

  34. Kaine(?) is a blithering idiot.

  35. Apparently no one cares about the VP debate. Which is fitting, as nobody cares about the VP candidates this year.

    1. Either one of them would be better than Trump or Clinton.

  36. Florida women

    http://latino.foxnews.com/lati…..like-kids/

  37. OT:
    San Fran has a ‘housing crisis’; I know this, since proggies keep telling me so. A functioning supply/demand balance that doesn’t yield the proggy-prefered result is a ‘crisis’.
    It doesn’t help that the SF proggies do everything they can to keep developers from building new units and hold tight to ‘rent control’, effectively removing thousands of rental units from the market, but, hey, facts? Who needs ’em when you can pander for votes.
    So south of SF, on the side of San Bruno Mountain is what amounts to a village, ~4,000 people, and it incorporates ~700 acres of undeveloped land which it now wishes to develop (used to be a half-mile dirt track there). As commercial; no residential. Zero residential.
    Now I have a feeling this is a result of looking a bit north and seeing the disaster proggie voters have made of SF, and the healthy desire NOT to invite a single one of them to the Brisbane voter rolls.
    Regardless, the SF proggies are now screaming and proposing an annex of Brisbane, since “San Francisco has been the leader in the creation of both market-rate and affordable housing.” (yep, Peskin actually said that):
    “SF may investigate what it would take to swallow up Brisbane”
    http://www.sfchronicle.com/bay…..pid=gatehp

    1. Isn’t that imperialistic? Aren’t progs supposed to oppose that?

    2. You can’t do what you want with your property, but we can do what we want with your property!

    3. Bruno mountain…. That sounds SFO adjacent.

      I was seriously looking into buying some additional real estate, but fuck CA. I’m done. The inmates are butt fucking the asylum.

      I really might need to find a new identity. If surf bum translates into ski bum, I might consider Utah.

      1. VAMOS A LA MONTANA, OH-OHHHHH

        VAMOS A LA MONTANA, OH-OHHHHH

      2. Did you catch the Cal link above?
        http://www.sfgate.com/educatio…..694559.php
        Dunno if your innertubze was down…

        1. It is now. Good god. I’ve had to listen to my dad and brother bitch about Yale, but now there’s about to be a big pile of shit on my degree too. I’m comfortable in my life now, but this just…. god dammit.

          ” a group of faculty on Tuesday identified a candidate they’d love to see get the job: Robert Reich.” Is that group of faculty assholes? Yes. Yes they are.

          I had several professors there who were nobel laureates. This shit is just ridiculous. No, sociology professor, you don’t matter, and no, you’re not a real professor in a real subject.

      3. BTW, I’ve managed (with no “professional” fees) to duck one more SF attempt to keep me from flying under the radar; dunno how long that will continue. And one more LA attempt (we do conduct business in LA).
        I am dealing with low-watt-bulbs, but they do have the guns on their side. Brisbane looked attractive many years back as a primary residence; maybe better now.

        1. Brisbane Australia?

          My brother lives there.

          1. Never mind. Read the whole thread, Frank!

  38. Hillary Clinton killed bin Laden!

    1. He shouldn’t have refused to donate to the Clinton Foundation.

      1. If he did, he would’a got a really good seat.

  39. Pence is kicking ass, IMHO.

    1. He’s definitely winning on strength, tone, and temperament. The campaign could have no complaints about his performance.

      1. Listening to him, I thought he would have been a terrific Prez candidate. Actually took the time to explain his measured ideas in a logical and well-communicated way. Smiles knowingly when Kaine says yet another stupid screed.

        If it had been Pence against Hillary, it would be no contest at this point.

  40. Canadians are like school on Sunday: no class. Based upon what I see them post here, I’m not surprised.

    1. Show me where the hoser touched you, CJ.

  41. No one’s talking about how Weld wasn’t invited to the VP debate?

  42. “He vetoed the formation of an African American affairs committee and a task force examining how to get equal pay for women because he thought they were a waste of time and money.”

    That’s all I need to know.

    He’s the man.

  43. Can we flip the top of the ticket? A true conservative who knows how to articulate aspects of liberty vs a jesuit who has true compassion for poor. This should be our choice. Lets hope whoever wins dies.

  44. Kaine is probably bent over a desk getting his ass whipped by Hillary with a hickory stick after that embarrassing performance.

    Lucky for them no one was watching.

    1. My left-wing friend told me Pence lied the entire time, so I assume it’s the truth and/or spin.

      1. Pence lied/spun repeatedly when either the moderator or Kaine brought up something outrageous Trump had said or allegedly had said.

        But Kaine come off exactly like your insufferable left-wing friend on Facebook. Pence at least seemed human.

  45. “He vetoed the formation of an African American affairs committee and a task force examining how to get equal pay for women because he thought they were a waste of time and money.”

    So both racist and sexist then? Am I doing it right?

    1. If the debate involved *any* questions where the VP’s were expected to explain things the P’s had said …
      then it wasn’t a debate. It was an Ass-Covering Competition.

      I think maybe a question like, “what are YOUR views on this subject (which the presidential candidate has spoken about)” is entirely appropriate. But “explain what (something presidential candidate said) means” is bullshit.

      I know the truth is that VPs are nothing but hatchet-men for the candidates, and aren’t supposed to really have their own views… but i’d hope they at least made it into something other than a referendum on “how do you interpret (x batshit comment by trump/clinton)”

      1. “If the debate involved *any* questions where the VP’s were expected to explain things the P’s had said …
        then it wasn’t a debate. It was an Ass-Covering Competition.”

        Yes, now.
        In ’44, Trueman should have had to explain what that wannabe dictator FDR had in mind for the world. He hadn’t a clue in that FDR was not only a wannabe dictator, he was willing to sacrifice the allied war effort to prove he was indispensable, knowing full well he was within months of death. And for all her ‘humanitarian’ efforts, his wife did nothing to correct his egomania.
        Perhaps the hag Hillary could learn from this.

        1. Who did you vote for in ’44?

          1. Mom and Dad, or you’d have had to read the posts of someone else.

          2. Sevo voted for Henry Wallace in ’48. True Story.

  46. Yawwn-I stopped reading the ComPost long ago. The only people dumber than the reporters and editorial staff are its readers.

  47. Where can I learn more about this Garret Johanson?

  48. Steven Neville was a Republican county commissioner in rural San Juan County, in the state’s upper northwest corner, when the legislature agreed to spend $1 million in preparation for a national rodeo competition being held there. Johnson vetoed the measure. As a result, the county had to find money on its own….

    Words. Pithy ones.

  49. At least our media covered itself in glory by once again providing a competent and fair moderator for a national debate.

    1. No kidding. The LP is complaining about the CPD, but I think the GOP has as much to complain about if not more, and they’re supposedly co-owners of it.

      1. GOP candidates get invited. Less to complain about right there.

  50. Vote Michael Hihn.

  51. Donate to Michael Hihn’s campaign and you will have the opportunity to visit Hihn’s dimly-lit one-room apartment in the bad side of town, and take a picture alongside Michael in his trademark grimy t-shirt, once presumably white but now mostly mildew-stained green, as he cacklingly reads Hit and Run comments as text files on his AT 486 running Windows ’95. “Once I was candidate for county sanitation district board as a Libertarian Party member, somehow coming in sixth in a five-person race,” he’ll grimace, “but since then all Libertarians but me have lost their ways.”

    “Follow my teachings to a better world,” he’ll insist, though you’ll be too distracted by the bubble of saliva in the middle of lip to hear what he says.

    1. I am so proud of my boy.

    2. STOP BEATING UP ON HIHN!

      Unlike you, he’s important. He’s been elected dumbfuck.

  52. If Gary Johnson was so blase about work and governing, why did so much get done on his watch? It’s because what matters is what he focuses on. Giving his former state of NM something that it could be proud of and credit him with. This is the difference between him and one who’s truly blase about their job.

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