Donald Trump

Trump's Latest Birther Press Conference Shows That He's a Crony Capitalist Nightmare

The GOP candidate's event was a falsehood-filled advertisement for his new D.C. hotel.

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In March, after winning primary elections in Michigan and Mississippi, Donald Trump delivered a victory speech that was broadcast live on cable news. Trump's victory speech, however, was far from a traditional political victory address. Instead, it was more of an infomercial for Trump-branded products, including Trump-stamped wine, bottled water, golf courses, and steaks. Trump was using his political campaign as an advertising platform for his personal business ventures.

In the months since that event, reports have looked into Trump's other business dealings, including possible (but unconfirmed) ties to Russia, as well as the surprising amount of campaign money being spent on Trump-branded enterprises, raising even more questions about whether Trump, if elected president, would be able to separate his political operation from his personal financial interests.

Trump's latest event should put to rest any such questions. After announcing that he would hold a press conference this morning in which he would make a major announcement regarding his position about whether or not President Obama was born in the United States. Trump has long been among the most prominent individuals stoking "birther" conspiracy theories by questioning Obama's origins and eligibility for the presidency, including a 2011 stunt in which he made a show of sending investigators to Hawaii to look for the president's birth certificate. "You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts," Trump said at the time.

Trump's press conference this morning was not a press conference at all. Instead, it was another extended infomercial for his newly opened hotel in Washington, D.C., where the event was held. Trump previewed his remarks by tweeting that he would be "going to the brand new Trump International, Hotel D.C." and opened by touting its grandiosity. "I really believe, I said this would be the best hotel in Washington," he said, before musing that it might even be the greatest hotel in the entire world.

After his initial remarks about the greatness of the hotel, however, Trump barely spoke at the event. Instead, he turned over the floor to a group of decorated veterans who touted Trump's presidency. All of this, of course, was broadcast live on cable networks. Trump used the birther controversy to earn himself a half an hour of free advertising for his hotel and his campaign.

Only at the very end did he deliver on his promise of an announcement about his position on Obama's place of birth. During the 2008 campaign, he said, Hillary Clinton "started the birther controversy. I finished it." He now says he believes that "President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period."

Trump's claim that Clinton started birtherism is a telling and easily refutable lie. Some of Clinton's supporters during the 2008 primary campaign did indulge in birther conspiracies, but not the campaign itself. Trump, in contrast, spent years loudly questioning Obama's origins and eligibility for the presidency even after the matter was definitively settled. His campaign released a statement last night setting up today's remarks, saying that "in 2011, Mr. Trump was finally about to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling President Obama to release his birth certificate." Obama released his long-form birth certificate in 2011, but his certificate of live birth had been released in 2008. In any case, it's a brazen rewriting of history for Trump's campaign to claim that the issue was settled for Trump after 2011. He continued—repeatedly—to tweet conspiratorial skepticism about Obama's birthplace as late as 2014, and told CNN in July of this year that he would love to continue talking about the issue, but that he doesn't because it would be a distraction. Trump himself, not Clinton, was—and remains—the vector for birther bluster.

Trump, in other words, has merely traded one birther conspiracy theory for another.

It's hardly a surprise, though, that Trump is not bound by the inconveniences of facts or reality. Most of the Trump-branded products he touted at his March press conference were long discontinued. The steaks he claimed as his own were actually from another company, Bush Brothers. Trump steaks do not exist and have not existed for years; the product was discontinued around 2007.

What Trump showed today, then, was an even clearer version of what he has shown so often throughout his campaign: that he is a shameless liar, a conspiracy theorist, and a huckster, and that he sees no distinction between his political efforts and his personal business dealings. He is unable or unwilling to separate rumor from reality, business bluster from political operations, personal dealings from national affairs. For Trump, there is no meaningful dividing line.

Trump is a crony capitalist nightmare, and today's event was another frightening reminder of his warped approach to the world.

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  1. What am I supposed to be upset about here?

    1. I donno, I didn’t read the article.

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    2. Oh now I get it, he fooled the media into covering this and now their ego’s hurt.

      1. This is the worstest crime.

      2. Pretty much. He knows they still care mightily about the birther business and saw a marketing opportunity.

      3. This is incident just cries out for a Downfall parody featuring a CNN bigfoot.

        1. STEVE SMITH NOT ALLOWED IN CNN STUDIOS ANYMORE AFTER RAPE WOLF BLITZER ON AIR.

          1. Damn. I wish would have had cable so I could have watched that. Is it on Youtube?

      4. Watching CNN shit their pants over this was hilarious.

      5. They wouldn’t have been so pissed if they just did their job as journalists and didn’t have an agenda.

    3. Well, it’s pretty depressing to have such terrible presidential candidates interested in personal enrichment and attention. Is Trump not a terrible candidate?

    4. What am I supposed to be upset about here?

      This is Reason, so the answer is “Trump”.

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    1. Trump or Suderman?

  2. This is the 100th anniversary of the tank being first used in war – the greatest event in a gamer’s life.

    The British MK I tank.

      1. Probably not. It was replaced by Mk IV which is in BF1.

        1. Have you played BF1?

          I’m due for a PC upgrade and this may be the one title that makes me finally do it.

          1. I only deal with random strangers on the internet in forums where they can’t shoot me.

          2. Nope. I didn’t get the beta going and I’ll wait for the game to come out AND for French to be added later.

            Probably will get it a year late, when performance is patched and there’s a GotY edition of some sort.

          3. I played the beta for a bit. It’s very pretty and plays well, but I’m just not a multiplayer kind of gamer so ymmv. I will probably end up buying it.

          4. I liked it more than I did bf4, where I have too many hours played to admit.

            Favorite is still bc2 in the franchise. I pre ordered after the beta ended.

            1. Bad Company 2 was just about perfect. But for all that people talk about it, I haven’t been able to find games whenever I’ve checked the past few years.

              1. Play on pc? There are a few servers up, but I can’t find HC for the life of me. I loved that game. And the Vietnam dlc was tops.

                1. I still play BC2 at LAN parties occasionally. Something about it is just more conducive to fun and silliness than other titles. Tracer darting the Hill Wookies never gets old. And yes, there are still active servers on PC.

                  1. PC, yes. Last time I checked, there were a couple matches, but without many people and on maps I am not a fan of! It may be time to check again.

          5. I thought the beta was terrible. Some of it was glitches/performance issues, but even when it appeared to be working correctly, I had real trouble maintaining situational awareness. I’d get killed by someone that somehow saw me first, or a tank from outside my range, then spend a minute or two running back into the action. Then I’d get killed by a sniper. Or I’d get the drop on someone else, and unloading my pistol into them does nothing and I die.

            1. Good to know.

              btw, I play a lot of Red Orchestra 2 – which sometimes, depending on the map, consists of running a few hundred yards up to the action. Only to be shot and killed before I get there This is dependent on the quality of the team; if aren’t protecting the flanks, then the other team can start destroying reinforcements as they come up.

              1. Game modes too. Good team, your game style, and some luck all come into play.

            2. I didn’t like how many shots it took to take people down, but I always play hardcore, so I had no real reference.

    1. The Mk I looked neat, but it did poorly.

      1. It’s weird to think that it was the French who created the pattern for what the tanks are like.

        Also that Haig, a cavalry officer accused of lack of imagination understood the potential of the tank immediately, while his German counterparts were unimpressed, to the point that they had more captured MkIVs in their inventory than home-grown A7Vs when their 1918 offensive kicked off.

      2. No tank did well in the Great War. Armored cars seemed to be the way to operate in mechanized warfare.

        1. FT did well. Because French understood that tanks should be used in large numbers, so need small crews, ability to produce in large numbers, and, oh yeah, a turret really helps if you don’t have 6-8 machine gunners.

          Armored cars were used initially but off-road performance was always a problem, and that’s before ground was torn up by shells and cut apart by trenches.

    1. We’ve had too many presidents named Johnson already.

      1. In one of the infinite paralell universes GayJay will get more than 1% of the vote.

        1. The one where votes are cast by sortition?

    2. I’m sure he was offended too.

    3. The 2-party mindset is a painful force to behold .

  3. Epic trolling

    Another version of this story (via Drudge).

    1. Yep. He’s making the media look extremely stupid. I mean, more than usual.

    2. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of hacks.

      1. AFAICT the dc press corps greatest crime this cycle was transforming trump from a 3rd string primay joke to the nomimee by endlessly covering his crazy bullshit.

        PS its stupid to refer to “the media” as a faceless block of interchangeable stooges with the same political agenda.”the media” includes everything from breitbart to the village voice. stop talking like anyone who writes for a living takes marching orders from the elders of zion. it says more about you then them.

    3. But they’ve been so fair and objective. Why would he treat them this way?

  4. I’m actually concerned if Peter will be able to handle Trump’s victory.

    1. His brain says “No, no!”

      But his heart? Oh, is there a greater joy for a journalist than a subject you truly hate, that you can excoriate every day with fresh salvo of bile? I put it to you, no! If Trump wins, Suderman shall become modern-day Mencken!

      1. An acerbic curmudgeon and an anti-semite?

        1. Yes, except focused on Trump instead of general misanthropy.

          So maybe modern day Cato the Elder?

    2. I continue to firmly believe that one result of a Trump win would be the media’s recalling that its role is watchdog, not advocate or shill or party-line hack. A second bonus would be Congress remembering that it is supposed to be a co-equal branch of govt, not a debate society whose key role is ensuring incumbent re-election.

      Just as true, neither of these will occur should Herself win.

  5. “Trump was using his political campaign as an advertising platform for his personal business ventures.”

    Incidentally, Hillary used her office as Secretary of State as a platform for her personal business ventures.

    You see the difference, right?

    I’ll give you a hint: One of them isn’t a treasonous abuse of public office.

    1. But..but… Trump Steaks !

      1. better than rump roast?

    2. This! One is a capitalist hawking his wares and the other is a traitor who should be shoved in a industrial garden woodchipper while streamed on Youtube.

      Not so amazingly, the Reason staff is too fucking stupid to understand the difference. There is a reason that Trump is a multibillionaire and the dumbshits are not. One of them has to compete in the marketplace while the other write for a non-profit where they don’t have to compete with this shitty kind of analysis.

      1. it’s funny. We went through Bush Derangement, a version of Obama Derangement, but Reason has opted to go all in on Trump Derangement, totally ignoring how it made fun of those who fell victim to the previous two maladies.

        1. That’s why Reason is becoming more irrelevant by the day.

        2. The Kochs are #neverTrumpers.

          The writers here are just following orders.

          1. As journalists, I think it would be their natural tendency anyway.

    3. Don’t worry: should Trump win, he’ll get there.

  6. Trump’s Latest Birther Press Conference Shows That He’s a Crony Capitalist Nightmare

    Something something Trump something something derangement…

    1. I’m not saying he’s not a crony capitalists, but how is playing the media cronyism?

      1. Editors: Please suspend Suderman until he learns what Crony Capitalism means. He should have to write some kind of punishment essay explaining what it actually means, and promise to use it as “Rich guy I don’t like” ever again. And a few hours in detention hall would be good too, probably.

        1. … promise NOT to use it as …

    2. This was an odd headline to me too. It is almost if they just throw out buzz words

  7. Whaaa??? It’s been known for years that the birther stuff originated with the Clinton campaign. She may have played political games to try to keep her hands technically clean, but you’d have to be either incredibly na?ve or willfully blind to not realize her campaign got the ball rolling.

    Looks at byline.

    Ah, never mind.

    1. It’s easily refuted! Why are you questioning! HE LINKED TO POLITIFACT! THE DEBATE IS OVER!

      1. Politfact AND FactCheck.org. What the shit, people, you want Snopes as well?

        1. No, but maybe he could have someone Voxsplain it to us.

          1. C’mon guys- Pete won’t get invited to parties at Yglesias’ million dollar condo unless he kneels and kisses the…

    2. Some of Clinton’s supporters during the 2008 primary campaign did indulge in birther conspiracies, but not the campaign itself.

      Hitler didn’t kill a single Jew.

    3. Here is raw data on the Kenyan being Kenyan: See http://tinyurl.com/jfq73w5
      It’s from a science blog run by a geologist with a master’s in EE; good researcher.

    4. Here is raw data on the Kenyan being Kenyan: See http://tinyurl.com/jfq73w5
      It’s from a science blog run by a geologist with a master’s in EE; good researcher.

    5. Here is raw data on the Kenyan being Kenyan: See http://tinyurl.com/jfq73w5
      It’s from a science blog run by a geologist with a master’s in EE; good researcher.

  8. President Trump is going to be the greatest president of the 21st Century !

  9. Trump was using his political campaign as an advertising platform for his personal business ventures.

    The Don is a businessman. He sells things. Right now, he (like every other person running for office) is selling himself to the electorate in the hope of being elected. Jeez.

    1. about whether Trump, if elected president, would be able to separate his political operation from his personal financial interests.

      Ask the Clinton’s. And on that note, I refuse to read any farther.

      1. Ugh. “further”, even

        1. I prefer “furthur”

          1. I prefer The Tyde. But Further were pretty good back in the day. http://youtu.be/iDrMlydfiZ0

    2. This article could only be improved by adding a plug to read and/or buy a book one of the staffers wrote. That, and the word “tacky” would elevate this beyond Suderman Classic to Suderman Ultra.

      1. Excellent.

      2. Hmmm…he is talking about conspiracies. Would it have killed him to plug Jesse’s book?

      3. Thread fucking winner.

  10. Can anyone summarize this for me?

    1. Trump basically did clickbait in real life.

      1. Yep, the equivalent of a slideshow except 13 of the 15 slides were ads.

      2. Trump Uses One Special Trick To Get Attention: And You’ll Never Believe What Happened.

        1. I really want to click on the one that explains why Marissa Tomei never got married.

          1. She never found the right funny, stocky guy?

          2. After seeing the one about child stars I’ll never believe are dead with a pic of Frankie Muniz, I actually looked it up.

            Real life is even more bizarre: not only is Malcolm in the Middle not dead, he’s apparently now a professional race car driver.

            Next I’ll learn Screech from saved by the bell is now a porn star.

            1. Real life is even more bizarre: not only is Malcolm in the Middle not dead, he’s apparently now a professional race car driver.

              So they’re just a little early, then?

    2. Trump tricked press into giving him live coverage for about a half hour to have military peeps say how much they love him and then closed by stating unequivocally that Obama was born in U.S.

      Suderman becomes unhinged, goes off on tangent. So normal HnR day.

      1. closed by stating unequivocally that Obama was born in U.S.

        “….AND THERE ISNT ANY REASON TO DOUBT THAT…. AS FAR AS I KNOW

    3. Suderman is trolling the commentariat because the hate is mutual.

      1. Is calling things “Trolling” a way of avoiding admitting that they’re “Really fucking stupid“?

        1. In Robby’s case it means being stupid while having good hair.

            1. needs a cute little “make trolling great again” t-shirt, otherwise perfect

          1. I don’t think Robby (or Peter) are ‘stupid people’

            However, I think attempting to gin up controversy out of Trump’s public steak-flogging* …

            … or “questioning the wisdom” of high-school team-mascots…

            … probably qualify as “stupid arguments”

            (*how no one managed to reference this euphemism so far is… just so disappointing. please, people. You can do better)

            1. I don’t think Robby is really stupid either, with his hair it’s scientifically impossible.
              (ok I’ll stop with the hair.)

        2. Stop trolling.

    4. Both looter collectivist party candidates call each other racist. Please remember their allegations in November.

  11. And yes, this was a brilliant play by Trump. I can’t stand the guy, but this was genius.

    1. This is the first irrefutable evidence I’ve seen that Trump has, at the least, a sort of shrewd cunning. I’m LOVING the schadenfreude of watching the “media” hacks actively hoisting themselves by their own petard.

      He’s still a long way off from having me advocate for him, but the needle has actually moved.

      1. Just think of all great, insightful questions they didn’t get to ask:

        “So, Mr Trump, do you disavow birtherism and all it’s works?”

        “Do you disavow all those who don’t disavow birtherism?”

        “Will you call those who now don’t disavow birtherism deplorable for us, now, on camera?”

        “Did you decide to repent because you are becoming slightly less racist?”

        “Was the revelation about the Nazi Cartoon Frog involved in you decision to apologize for your racist beliefs?”

        All those perfectly good “Gotcha” questions, poof! gone forever. You can see why they are mad about this.

      2. I don’t want him to be president. We can still call each thing for what it is.

        1. If we take as given that Johnson has no hope, I kind of want Trump to be president. This story fucking cracked me up. I could totally enjoy four years of watching him make an ass out of the media and the worthless shitbags in DC.

          Hell, what could be a more appropriate statement about the relative value of capitalism and government than using a political campaign to sell merch? The guy is so over-the-top he has to be a Stephenson character.

      3. Or as someone here once posted.

        “Hoisted on their own retard.”

        I so wish that I could claim credit for thst one. I would give credit to the originator but can’t remember who it was.

  12. Since Mike M. hasn’t graced us with his presence this morning (probably on account of getting arrested for jacking it at a public internet kiosk in NYC), i’ll step up:

    Bleater Pooterman.

    1. No, the attitude is right, but the name is sort of ok. Try again, but this time imagine you have Eddie’s sense of humor, and then knock off about 30 imaginary IQ points. Then make up a nickname.

  13. There’s a Trump story from Politico yesterday that I thought was hilarious.

    “Trump ditches, then mocks his press corps”

    LACONIA, N.H. ? Donald Trump on Thursday mocked his traveling press corps for being late to his rally, even though his campaign is responsible for arranging the pool’s travel.

    “I have really good news for you,” the Republican nominee told supporters here, according to a livestream of the rally this and other pool reporters watched on a bus from the airport to the event location.

    “I just heard the press is stuck on their airplane. They can’t get here. I love it. So they’re trying to get here now. They’re going to be about 30 minutes late. They called us and said could you wait? I said absolutely not. Let’s get going, New Hampshire.”

    While television cameras continued to roll live on the rally, still photographers already at the venue opted not to shoot any images of the event out of solidarity with their pool colleagues.

    “This is completely ridiculous and unacceptable. This has gone on for way to long and it’s time we take a stand,” said one member of the traveling press.

    “The press corps is at a boiling point here and was more frustrated tonight than ever,” said another.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/…..z4KRGuTK5b
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    LOL

    1. I mean, why isn’t he playing along and being nice to us in the hopes that we’ll lessen our constant barrage of attacks on him like every other dopey Republican? The nerve!

    2. If he’s trying to win my vote, mocking and humiliating the press is a good way to start.

      1. They probably imagine themselves as a cross between a spokesmodel and the next Woodward and Bernstein, but in the stack of people that Americans like the least, before you get to the press corps, I bet you’ve gotta go through biker gangs, used car salesmen, personal injury lawyers, . . .

        1. used car salesmen

          Wait a minute, I actually get a car out of the deal. Not so with the press.

          biker gangs

          And here, I get meth out of the deal. Not so with the press.

          1. Oh, he was saying they rank above press. And for good reason, as you point out.

      2. IKR? It’s frickin’ crazy, but there you are. Can’t stand what he says, which doesn’t really matter because he’ll just say something different tomorrow. But what he does, now. That’s the measure of a man. Take a look at that brilliant bit of trolling, and if any cannot give at least seven points then I present that perhaps they have become the North Korean judge.

      3. A good way to start and finish. The press is solely responsible for the candidates we get on both sides of the aisle and solely responsible for inhibiting the success of all the candidates we’ve never gotten to vote for.
        Without the press we’d have better representatives.

    3. Maybe there was more to his insults than they reported in the story, but if not what a bunch of thin-skinned idiots. You hear worse roastings of the media than that at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner every year.

  14. By the way, this officially makes Trump THE FIRST Social Media president. Debate over. Obama can go send his wife to tweet pictures of sadface with #BringBackOurGirls.

    Trump just made Buzzfeed great again.

  15. It’s amazing how history gets retconned. Trump is lying about Hillary starting the birther shit?
    1. Her own campaign personnel did discuss it.
    2. People associated with her campaign did release it.
    3. Obama himself blamed Hillary. So he must be lying.

    It’s easy to refute that Trump never said Cruz’s father killed JFK. Why, it was the Enquirer that did that! And reasonable people couldn’t possibly deduce that his campaign was involved in anyway.

    Then Hillary is innocent – she made no attempt to distance herself from the birther shit until she was attacked viciously by the media for it. Sort of like how Trump was attacked for not rejecting the support of a KKK guy soon enough, only worse because that attack was fucking moronic and this one as it relates to Clinton involved people actually involved with her campaign.

    1. NPR said that the Hillary campaign starting the rumor was false, full stop. Do you have some links?

      1. It’s actually all in Suderman’s links. The politifacts article shows how:
        “An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight ? that he had not been born in Hawaii. …

        Avlon described a posting on the PUMA website with the heading “Obama May Be Illegal to Be Elected President!” He wrote that a Clinton volunteer in Texas, Linda Starr, played a key role in spreading the rumor.”

        Hillary’s campaign was linked to the leak of a photo of Obama in foreign-looking garb, and he blamed her for it with Politico piling on at the time. The story:
        http://www.politico.com/story/…..oto-008667

        Note that Hillary’s campaign initially did not condemn the photo, and it took some time before they claimed they had nothing to do with its release. They attacked Obama actually for his statements on it, claiming there was nothing wrong with it. At the time, the narrative was that the photo came from Hillary’s camp. Only years later did the media put this spin on it that they had nothing to do with it.

        The birther/secret Muslim stuff actually goes back to Obama’s days in Chicago when another Dem said it about him.

        1. His publicist listed it on the site until he ran for president

  16. I dislike Trump.

    But, this is just a really, really lousy article.

    Embarrassingly so.

    First of all, I’d suggest Mr. Suderman look up crony capitalist in the dictionary. It doesn’t mean “shamelessly plugging your products”. Secondly, if the big lie you’re exposing from Donald Trump is that it was Ms. Clinton’s supporters, rather than her campaign itself that pushed the birther conspiracy, its’ really time to consider going home.

    1. I dislike Trump.

      But, this is just a really, really lousy article.

      Embarrassingly so.

      Forget it Bill, it’s Suderman Town.

  17. Suderman also apparently doesn’t know what crony capitalism is. Because shilling for your own hotel isn’t cronyism regardless of whatever else may be wrong with it or who his opponent is.

    1. “Yo check out my mixtape!”

    2. Yea mind boggling stupid

  18. “The press corps is at a boiling point here and was more frustrated tonight than ever,” said another.

    This is sort of like when Al Qaeda threatens us with terrorism.

    You mean you’ve been holding back? Haven’t you been trying to murder our civilians by the thousands all along?

    When they’re already doing everything they can to murder as many of us as they can, at some point, it stops mattering whether what we do irritates them even more, doesn’t it?

    When the press corps reaches the boiling point, what are they gonna do? Turn against Trump?!

    They’re already doing everything they can to embarrass Trump in every way possible.

    1. And they cannot look any more incompetent.

    2. The press corps lack of similar fury at being corralled away and kept in the dark while Hillary was whisked away to parts unknown during the 9/11 seizure episode is telling.

  19. Indeed. Well said. Sadly, you’re preaching to Trumpists here. As you can see, the normal response here to anything about Trump is

    “Oh yeah? Hillary!”

    1. By the way, if Reason writes any critical article on Hillary (and that would be everyday), you’ll never see comments that say “oh yeah? Trump!”

      Tells you all you need to know.

      1. They can both go suck hamburger buns.
        There.

        1. You must really hate them … that’s a lot of carbs!

    2. It’s not our fault your candidate is a piece of shit, joe.

      1. But enough about Nicolas Maduro.

        1. Very well done.

    3. The math isn’t really hard to understand.

      Hillary < TrumpTrump < Piece of ShitErgo, Hillary < Trump < Piece of ShitOnce corruption becomes an issue, it's the only issue that really matters to me.If Trump were a Klansman or a totalitarian communist or something, that might make a difference.But he's not.

      1. Plenty of opportunities at Reason to chime in about Hillary and all her negatives…at all the negative articles devoted to her.

        Using every critical article on Trump as just another Hillary complaint fest tells you most here really don’t think he has many negatives. Suderman laid out some fairly awful stuff on Trump that surely deserves a few agrees. Let me know if there is one comment that just delves on that.

        Plenty here think favorably about Trump. None feel favorably about Hillary, including me. I’m not voting for her.

        1. Using every critical article on Trump as just another Hillary complaint fest tells you most here really don’t think he has many negatives.

          Yeah, that’s not what that says at all. Try harder.

          1. I’m referring to the comments. Not the article. In fact I praised the article. But you’re never to quick on the uptake, are you?

            1. I also am referring to the comments, Jackass Ass. Open hatred of Hillary does not imply support of the Donald. This is true even if the commenter doesn’t spend an equivalent amount of time bashing Trump.

              But you’re never to quick on the uptake

              Joe’z Law strikes whom deserves it most.

            2. The fact that you praised the article surprises me not.

              Are you sure you’re not going to vote for Hillary?

        2. Suderman laid out some fairly awful stuff on Trump that surely deserves a few agrees.

          Actually, no, he didn’t. At least not in this article. This was a piss-poor article, as I note above.

          I don’t like Donald Trump. But, if the best argument you can muster against him is that he shamelessly hawks his products and says that birtherism was started by Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign, rather than her 2008 supporters, you’re not making a particulalry strong case.

          1. He made some points, and concluded this way:

            “that he is a shameless liar, a conspiracy theorist, and a huckster, and that he sees no distinction between his political efforts and his personal business dealings. He is unable or unwilling to separate rumor from reality, business bluster from political operations, personal dealings from national affairs. For Trump, there is no meaningful dividing line.”

            Now thats pretty awful. You may not think Peter proved it today, but if you think the conclusion is correct anyway, that by itself deserves just a “I agree.”

            1. Why is it so important to get people to agree?

              You seem fixated on it.

            2. “Here’s a picture of Hitler eating a hit dog without mustard, the bastard, isn’t that horrible?”
              “Um not really, I don’t like him but no this is really nothing and I do t see why it’s news.”
              “Aw you Nazi!”

              Pretty much sums up Joe’s contribution to the thread.

            3. Trump just got the MSM to cover 30 minutes or so of men wearing military uniforms telling everyone watching how great he is.

              FOR FREE, unlike the 30 second Hillary ads I see on TV telling everone how terrible he is that she has to pay for.

              In your mind that’s not political?

              It might not be a bad thing after all having him negotiate our trade deals. After watching Obama negotiate for an AWOL soldier and a so called non nuclear treaty with the Iranians Im almost beginning to like the idea.

        3. Suderman laid out some fairly awful stuff on Trump that surely deserves a few agrees.

          Riiiiiiight….

      2. Mark Steyn wrote a long time ago that our political system “guaranteed rule by creeps and misfits.” So, so true.

        Makes it easy to pick at the negatives of the other candidate and pretend you’re comparing to President Bartlett or whomever. But no, it’s your creep or my misfit. Let’s be adults and not pretend otherwise.

        1. That’s true. I’m not defending Hillary. Just pointing out that it’s fairly clear, not many here think Trump is all that much of a misfit. Or a creep. Or they would take the opportunity to say as much.

          1. I’m not defending Hillary. Just pointing out

            HA!

          2. I pointed out that Trump < Piece of Shit, and no one took issue with it.No one.

      3. This Just In: Trump fans can’t understand why libertarians don’t like an authoritarian.

  20. Trump has correctly bet on the public’s hatred of the media exceeding any concern for his blatant falsehoods. It has not failed him yet so of course he’s going to keep doing this.

    Your problem, Peter, is that while you are absolutely correct about Trump’s bad moral character it’s fairly useless to try and impress people about it when his opponent is Hillary Clinton.

    1. It’s bad moral characters all the way down!

    2. Clinton is one of the most vile creatures to ever hold elected office in these United States. She is the biggest scumbag in a profession filled with them, and it is not even close.

      So yeah, Trump bashing, while fun, shouldn’t really be the main priority, especially for a libertarian magazine when you have a woman running who is pretty much the antithesis of libertarianism.

      Trump is just your run of the mill scumbag that we’ve all seen before. Clinton is fucking evil.

      1. That’s exactly what I’ve been saying. She’s beyond plain ol’ corrupt. She’s demonspawn. Trump is just another asshole in a world full of them. Hillary’s something special.

  21. Does this Suderman guy not like Trump or something? I can’t tell.

    1. He sugarcoats his Trump articles, so it’s hard to tell.

    2. Almost as much as SIV doesn’t like Gay Jay.

  22. RE: Trump’s Latest Birther Press Conference Shows That He’s a Crony Capitalist Nightmare

    This is why everyone should vote for Heil Hitlary.
    She would never engage in crony capitalism any more than the sun would rise in the east.

    1. Uncle Jay,
      Has anyone given you a hard time for your “RE” format like JANTAS for his number system or adans for his disrespect of the apostrophe?

      1. I’ve been meaning to, but haven’t gotten around to it.

        ?\_(?)_/?

        1. I give it the same deference as P Brooks refusal to thread. It accomplishes the same function as italics without the risk of screwing up the tag.

  23. Damn right, Megan. You tell ’em. How dare trump show contempt for the power-worshiping lewinsky press!

  24. Chapman’s going to have to really come up with some truly epic derp to surge past Suderman now.

  25. Finally! A Righty candidate who can Alinsky better than the Alinsky Left!

    The Lefty media was Red Herring’d right off a cliff!

  26. Alinsky you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

  27. I’m sure all the people here saying that Clinton is to blame for her supporters spreading that rumor would totally be ok with Reason or anyone else blaming Trump for all the stuff his supporters say online. No way anyone would say they’re being unfair, biased and committing guilt by association.

    I despise Clinton, but until there’s actual evidence her campaign was responsible for her supporters spreading that online, then you can’t hold her and Trump to different standards when it comes to their culpability for the online ramblings of their supporters.

    1. *reads comment*

      Hmm, fair, reasonable, no insults. Sir, I believe you are lost.

      1. I think you’re right, Florida man.

        *turns to Calidissident*

        Papers, please.

        1. Are you implying we need government documentation to post in this libertopia refuge? Outrageous!

    2. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/10109

      She also spread the photos of Obama dressed up like a Kenyan goatherd.

      1. It’s fair to criticize her for that. I have no problem with that.

        Assuming she’s behind everything her supporters say online, and then giving Trump a pass for the nasty shit his supporters say online is an unfair double-standard. That’s what I’m pointing out. And regardless of what Clinton did in 2008, nothing changes the fact that Trump has spent about 5 years on this moronic issue and is now trying to make it seem like it was all Clinton’s fault and he did Obama a favor and then stopped talking about it after the long-form certificate was released in 2011. Clinton’s actions in 2008, or any other year, don’t excuse or change that.

        1. Okay. HRC was not directly responsible for the 2008 Obama birtherism stuff.

          Now, she’s totally electable guys!

        2. I think your definition of “supporters” is the problem.

          We have three elements at play
          1) Official campaign and representatives
          2) representatives that speak with the candidates blessing, but no legal line exists (PACs for example, legality be damned)
          3) Random supporters

          The birther crap came from 2. while it wasn’t ‘officially approved’, it was widely understood to have been pushed at the behest of the Clinton campaign.
          All campaigns do this crap. They should be held to task for anything done by 2.

          Blaming campaigns for 3, random supporters is not appropriate.

          1. I’ve seen a lot of people lambasting Trump for 3, random supporters. Hillary’s ‘deplorable’ is part and parcel to this, tying in with loons like David Duke supporting Trump.

            I have very rarely seen Hillary even being criticized for 2. heck, she barely gets criticized for official representatives. Bill friggin Clinton was supposedly a frequent visitor to Epstein’s pedo-island and we’ve hardly heard a peep from the press holding Hillary accountable for association with him.

          2. Can you provide evidence that the birther stuff came from category 2, and evidence for the assertion that it’s widely understood to have been pushed by the Clinton campaign? If you have evidence to back it up I’d welcome it, but in the years I’ve seen this accusation being pushed, I’ve never seen anything to substantiate those claims.

            Also, people are attacking Suderman for supposedly being disingenuous, but I don’t see anyone here criticizing Trump for trying to blame his participation in a 5 year birther crusade on Clinton and making it seem like he did Obama a favor back in 2011 by clearing it up and that he was born here after that. Even if Clinton actually did start the rumor, that doesn’t excuse Trump, and his portrayal of his participation in the conspiracy theory is transparently false. If Clinton tried to escape blame for something by blaming it on Trump starting it and then lying about her involvement, she would rightfully be universally condemned by everyone here.

            I’m not trying to argue that Clinton doesn’t get passes from the media on things. I agree with you there. I’m just saying that some people here defend Trump for things that they would never in a million years defend Clinton if she did the exact same thing.

              1. Thanks for the link.

                I agree that does look bad for Clinton, assuming he’s telling the truth. The story with Asher’s testimony literally came out in the last couple days, so excuse me for not being aware of it. That said, without a timeline of when this conversation happened, it’s not clear that they originated the rumors, or if they noticed them and tried to jump on them behind-the-scenes in an act of desperation. IIRC, Obama had a small, but steady lead on Clinton in April 2008 when the first emails spreading the rumors came out. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.

                1. without a timeline of when this conversation happened, it’s not clear that they originated the rumors, or if they noticed them and tried to jump on them behind-the-scenes in an act of desperation

                  What does it matter?

    3. I don’t think most of us are blaming Clinton, per se. What we’re saying is that Suderman’s exposure of Trump’s “lie” – that Clinton started the rumor, when it was her supporters – is a bit disingenuous.

      And the thing is, I have seen a good many people condemn DT for what his supporters say. The claim is that his failure to quickly and forcefully condemn it amounts to tacit complictiy. Hell, I think I’ve even seen some of the writers here say that.

      1. There’s definitely people here equating the rumor being from a supporter with being from Clinton.

        Also, I don’t see how Suderman was disingenuous there – there is a real, significant difference between Clinton and a supporter online. And he admitted that a Clinton supporter was responsible – it’s not like he denied all connection. I don’t see how that is disingenuous, but Trump stating that Clinton herself started it isn’t.

        I think people can go overboard blaming Trump for everything his supporters say. Generally that line of attack focuses on the type of people he attracts and how he’s fostered an environment where they’re welcome to say that. Agree or disagree with that, it’s entirely different than claiming Trump himself did or said something a supporter did.

        Trump’s accusation here is the equivalent of accusing Trump of wanting all non-white people to leave the country because a Trump supporter online said that.

        1. Then let me get a sense of what your standards are: Do you consider saying the campaign started the rumor, rather than allowed supporters to circulate the rumor without rejecting it a lie or something less than a lie. For me, I’d say it’s not a sufficient distinction to rise to the level of a lie, rather than plain verbal carelessness (something I think everyone can agree DT is guilty of). Sorry, but I think if you have to resort ot splitting hairs to get to the fact that it was her supporters with no opposition from her campaign rather than the campaign itself, to get to the accusation of a lie, there’s a bit of disingenuousness happening.

          1. I personally would consider that a lie, and I would say the same thing about someone accusing Trump of in that way. I think it’s fair to criticize Clinton for it, so long as you don’t misrepresent her involvement, which DT did IMO.

            Also, how much attention did the birther stuff get before Clinton dropped out? From what I’ve read the initial emails happened in April 2008. She dropped out in early June 2008, and apparently the birther accusations intensified on PUMA sites after that before mostly fading away as the general election approached, while being picked up by some on the right at some point (I’m not sure when exactly that became a big thing on right-wing sites). It’s been 8 years, but I really don’t recall hearing about these rumors while Clinton was still in the race. If you have evidence that this was a story receiving significant attention at that time that Clinton ignored, then I’d welcome it, and agree that Clinton should be condemned for not disowning it. But if it was just an Internet rumor spread by a few supporters that received no real mainstream attention, then I don’t think it’s egregious that she didn’t say anything. Hell, if that was the case, then her giving a statement would have probably made things worse by putting it in the spotlight.

            1. Obama baited people into this so he could play teh racisms. Why should anyone care that some people took a bite at the bait?

        2. “The type of people he attracts ” ?

          That’s deplorable.

    4. then you can’t hold her and Trump to different standards when it comes to their culpability for the online ramblings of their supporters.

      If the Trump campaign obviously releases a story to their supporters in order to attack Hillary, but in a way that gives them plausible deniability, I most certainly will judge it the same as I judge the birther story.

      1. What story did Clinton’s campaign release? What proof is that? The evidence is that Clinton’s campaign sent an email of Obama in Kenyan garb, and in 2007 Penn floated the idea of exploiting, through contrast with Clinton’s upbringing in Illinois, Obama’s lack of American roots, specifically referring to him growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii. It’s a stretch to go from there to “she obviously leaked the birther theory.” Also, the loudest period of birther theorism from Clinton supporters happened after she conceded.

        1. It’s a stretch to go from there to “she obviously leaked the birther theory.”

          For you perhaps.

          1. Ok, whatever. At that point, you can essentially interpret things however you want to. It’s not like it was some massive secret that Obama had a “foreign background” so to speak or that it might hurt him in the campaign. I’m not defending the Clinton campaign for the picture or for trying to exploit his foreign background by painting Hillary as an all-American girl (if you read Penn’s words, he explicitly says he doesn’t want to say anything about Obama’s background, but rather play up Clinton’s roots so voters contrast it with Obama’s on their own). But that is far from a smoking gun that she invented the birther conspiracy. If you used that standard of evidence, you could probably find Trump guilty of all sorts of shit.

        2. And by the way, you obviously didn’t even read what I wrote, or at least, didn’t respond to it.

    5. She also spread rumors of Obama being a closet muslim, then tried to Deny-Not-Deny it on 60 Minutes

      giving Trump a pass for the nasty shit his supporters say online is an unfair double-standard

      Who exactly has been “giving a pass” to anyone? example of what you mean, please.

      Everyone in the media has been using “Trumps Supporters” against him from day-1. Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” was only a few days ago.

      and, to be clear = there is some relevant difference between ‘the media digging in the muck to find Trump people saying racist shit’ – which everyone does, and which readers moan about as stupid and smacking of desperation….

      … and *actual campaign operatives being caught engaged in smear tactics*…

      which is the actual “double-standard” being floated here.

      1. I know Clinton’s campaign sent emails of Obama in Kenyan garb, but I’m unaware of any actual accusations of him being a Muslim. I’d welcome a source proving me wrong, however.

        Regarding the middle part of your post – it’s true that people in the media have attacked Trump on that, but the commenters here have generally been dismissive of those attacks as guilt by association, which was my whole point. Also, even if you think those attacks are unfair, there’s a difference between attacking Trump for attracting bigoted supporters and actually accusing him of saying or doing the things his supporters do online. As I posted in another comment, Trump’s accusation against Clinton is essentially the same thing as someone accusing Trump of wanting all non-whites to leave the country because of what a Trump supporter online said.

        And regarding the last part – obviously reprehensible, but it’s not as if Trump himself hasn’t engaged in smear tactics. From his 5 year birther crusade to essentially accusing Cruz’s father of killing JFK he doesn’t exactly have room to throw stones at Clinton in that regard. It’s not like you have to rely on his supporter’s statements to draw comparisons of smear tactics or questionable statements.

        1. This is what Hillary said in 2008 about Obama being a Muslim

          You don’t believe that Senator Obama’s a Muslim?” Kroft asked.

          “Of course not. I mean, that’s, you know, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn’t any reason to doubt that,” she answered.

          “You said you’d take Senator Obama at his word that he’s not a Muslim. You don’t believe that he’s a Muslim?” Kroft said.

          “No. No, there is nothing to base that on,” Clinton said, adding, “As far as I know.

          Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/02…..z4KRukOi6G

          She puts out a picture of Obama in Muslim garb and then when asked if he is a Muslim says “well not as far as I know”. Come on Cali, she absolutely accused him of being a Muslim. She just didn’t do it in so many words.

          1. Clinton speak. She clearly “didnt”

          2. Yeah, I agree that looks like an implicit attempt to cast seeds of doubt in the minds of voters. She would have been fine if she left off the last sentence. I’m at work, so I couldn’t watch the video Gilmore linked, I just read the article, and so the only thing I’m taking issue with is the assertion (in the linked article) the she originated the Muslim rumors. I haven’t seen evidence that she started that, and it seems from the context of those questions that it was already a preexisting thing floating around.

          3. These *terrible* Obama conspiracy theories are fucking lame. The right-thinking people almost all agree:

            Saying that Obama is a secret-Muslim is just the fucking worst. Literally Hitlers. Also LOL at people who didn’t know he’s a secret-atheist that would support all the homo and tranny stuff the second it’s politically viable.

    6. but until there’s actual evidence her campaign was responsible for her supporters spreading that online

      Yeah. About that…

      How about her campaign manager?

  28. God the media types are in a frenzy, but this is hilarious. Get trolled, douches

  29. *pops some popcorn, sits back and enjoys the shitshow*

  30. Superman does good healthcare articles but that is about it.

    I don’t even think trump steaks are still around yet Pete mentions it as an advertisement for them

  31. My God, lighten up Francis. How could you not be amused by this? Has there ever been a more deserving target of such trolling? The Reason writers have been spending too much time around Nicks’ millennials.

  32. If Trump wins the election, what is the over under on how long Suderman ends up in an in patient facility? I put it at a month.

  33. I don’t get it, why is Trump advertising for a brand of steaks that aren’t even in production anymore?

  34. Pete where is the crony capitalism here?

    1. How is advertising a hotel crony capitalism?

      I confused

  35. RE: Trump’s Latest Birther Press Conference Shows That He’s a Crony Capitalist Nightmare

    What?
    Trump the Grump engaging in crony capitalism?
    Say it ain’t so!

    1. Thing I know he has but there was no evidence of that here which makes it odd

      1. I guess it’s because Trump is blatantly using his public position as GOP nominee to advance his personal business interests.

        1. And the business interests of his corporate partners.

  36. Trump knows how to play the media and they love it. He gets the free press and now the media can stop wasting his time asking about where Obama was born. He also reminded voters that the Clinton camp started the birthed rumors and Hillary does despise Obama, as confirmed by the Colin Powel emails this week.

  37. The first birther was Barak Obama. Over at Realclimatescience.com Peter Suderman could have seen pamphlets and articles by US legal pundits and African websites all loudly and proudly proclaiming their pal Obama was born in Kenya… until April, 2007. After that it was as though Big Brother’s party had sent the Junior Antisex league out to tear down the pass? posters and put up the rectified version. See http://tinyurl.com/jfq73w5

  38. Trump’s claim that Clinton started birtherism is a telling and easily refutable lie. Some of Clinton’s supporters during the 2008 primary campaign did indulge in birther conspiracies, but not the campaign itself.

    The fact checkers on this sure didn’t look very hard. The Clinton campaign did send out a birther email. They then claimed it was a rogue employee who was fired.

    1. As if anyone in any of the clinton campaigns have the balls to do anything on their own. Apparently at the time, obama didn’t believe hillary didn’t have a had hand in it.

      “Then-Obama personal aide Reggie Love witnessed the event and describes it in his new memoir:

      “I want to apologize for the whole Shaheen thing,” Clinton said. “I want you to know I had nothing to do with it.”

      The candidate very respectfully told her the apology was kind, but largely meaningless, given the emails it was rumored her camp had been sending out labeling him as a Muslim.”

      1. This is funny, they is a hawaii in kenya:

        http://ulstermanbooks.com/got-…..aii-kenya/

    2. Trump’s claim that Clinton started birtherism is a telling and easily refutable lie.

      How are you going to “refute” that Clinton told people to spread rumors about Obama’s citizenship? It’s not like we have a complete record of her conversations, meetings, or E-mails.

      I think Mark Penn’s memo pretty clearly suggests that the Clinton campaign was thinking along those lines:

      “I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.” Penn proposed targeting Obama’s “lack of American roots.”

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  40. What Trump showed today, then, was an even clearer version of what he has shown so often throughout his campaign: that he is a shameless liar, a conspiracy theorist, and a huckster, and that he sees no distinction between his political efforts and his personal business dealings.

    So… just like Hillary then?

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