Food Policy

Drafter of U.S. Dietary Goals Was Bribed by Big Sugar to Demonize Fat

Newly released historical documents show the Sugar Research Foundation paid scientists to blame fat and cholesterol, not sugar, for coronary heart disease.

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Newly released historical documents show how the sugar industry essentially bribed Harvard scientists to downplay sugar's role in heart disease—and how the U.S. government ate it up.

The link between a high-sugar diet and the development of metabolic problems had begun emerging in the 1950s. In 1965, a group called the Sugar Research Foundation (SRF) funded a study assessing previous studies on this possibility. That literature review, published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine in 1967, concluded that fat and cholesterol were the real culprits when it came to coronary heart disease.

"The SRF set the review's objective, contributed articles for inclusion, and received drafts," according to a new paper published in JAMA Internal Medicine "The SRF's funding and role was not disclosed."

The New York Times wants this to be a story about junk-food bigwigs screwing with science to the detriment of American health. And it is, in part. But beyond that, the findings also indict "dietary science" that the U.S. government has been pushing for decades, and still continues to push.

As we know now, high cholesterol levels in the blood may portend heart problems, but consuming high-cholesterol food—such as eggs, long demonized as a heart-health no-no—doesn't correlate to high blood-cholesterol. And saturated fats come in many forms, some bad for you and others some of the healthiest things you can consume.

But for decades, conventional wisdom in America said that dietary fats and cholesterol were to be extremely rare in a nutritious diet. Meanwhile, sugar got a rep for rotting your teeth (and maybe packing on a few pounds) but was otherwise considered benign. And this demonization of fat actually helped increase U.S. sugar consumption, as health conscious Americans replaced morning eggs and sausage with carbs like bagels, or turned to low-fat and fat-free offerings where added sugar helped fill the taste void.

How did Big Sugar pull this off?

With a little help from Harvard scientists, for starters. SRF—now called the Sugar Association—paid three of them the equivalent of $49,000 in today's dollars to publish the misleading literature review. One of these scientists, the late D. Mark Hegsted, went on to become a major driver of U.S. dietary advice.

In the early '60s, Hegsted had developed what came to be known as the "Hegsted equation," which allegedly showed how saturated fats in eggs and meat raise blood cholesterol. A few years after he was paid by the sugar industry to demonize fat and cholesterol, he was elected to the National Academy of Sciences and edited its Nutrition Reviews for a decade.

Hegsted would also go on to help the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) draft its first "Dietary Goals for the United States," a 1977-precursor to today's federal Dietary Guidelines for Americans, and to be hired by the agency as the head of its nutrition division, a position he held from 1978-1982.

"Even though the influence-peddling revealed in the documents dates back nearly 50 years, more recent reports show that the food industry has continued to influence nutrition science," the Times notes. That's also true. What the Times doesn't say, however, is how much the food industry continues to influence federal food policy and advice even independent of any shady research.

At the 2015 National Food Policy Conference, a two-day affair I attended in downtown D.C., food-industry associates gave talks alongside federal officials and their logos— Nestlé, Dannon, Cargill—were splashed everywhere. The food industry has and continues to influence nutrition "knowledge" because federal agencies encourage it.

A report published last fall found that government nutrition rules have been and are still based more on money and politics than sound science. The latest update to federal dietary guidelines still cautions against saturated fat and sodium. Members of the committee that developed these guidelines have accepted funding from industry groups, such as the Tree Nut Council, and food companies such as Unilever. (Last fall also brought revelations of some questionable connections between Unilever, the American Egg Board, and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in a bizarre plot to take down vegan mayonnaise).

Funding good nutrition research is expensive, and we shouldn't automatically look at industry-funded studies or researchers who accept food-industry funding as suspect. But let's not pretend like this sugar scandal is simply a relic of the bad old days of non-disclosure and undue influence. There continues to be every bit as much reason to look skeptically at government dietary advice today as there was in the 20th Century.

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  1. in a bizarre plot to take down vegan mayonnaise

    Oh no… now you’ve done it.

    1. Misbranded pea-protein fraud.

      1. The good news about the ersatz “mayo” is that nobody buys it to eat. All there sales were by employees using company funds to fake demand

        The vegan “mayo” industry makes Theranos look honest.

        1. I use a veggie mayo made from avocados that is quite tasty.

          1. I just mash the avocado and us that as a spread. no need to rename it something its not but that is what a lot of people do to try to get us to eat what they consider healthy but that is also why they often fail. just call something what it is. its like people who claim a vegi burger taste like a meat burger it doesn’t but some brands have very good flavor but its still not a meat flavor.

      2. Mayo doesn’t need a government-prescribed definition. It’s not like pizza.

    2. Even the corrupt get it right sometimes.

    1. As opposed to Bailey’s regular appearances
      *yeah, it was the very next video. I’m not proud.

  2. Flippin’ SWEET!

  3. There was an entire food pyramid built! There was scientific consensus! What are you, some sort of flat earther?

    1. I MET a Traveler from an antique land,
      Who said, “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
      Stand in the food desert. Near them, on the sand,
      Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
      And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
      Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
      Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
      The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
      And on the pedestal these words appear:
      “My name is the USDA, King of Pork.”
      Look on my works ye Mighty, and despair!
      No thing beside remains. Round the decay
      Of that Colossal Wreck, boundless and bare,
      The lone and level sands stretch far away.

      1. “My name is Usda, King of Pork” scans a bit better.

        Nonetheless, I like it.

          1. That was quality work, HM. My favorite poem.

            1. It reminded me of that Police song, where Sting sings
              “It’s my destiny to be the King of Pork”.

    2. A lotta Jews suffered and died to build that pyramid!

  4. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE “BIG SUGAR” ISN’T ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PIMP NAME!

    1. That’s Papa Sugar. Big Sugar is his BBW girl.

    2. Or a 300 lb burlesque dancer from 19th century New Orleans.

  5. paid three of them the equivalent of $49,000 in today’s dollars

    Back then bribes were cheap and the takers stayed bought.

  6. So naturally the solution is to demonize sugar, next. It’s already started.

    1. The sugar industry has done plenty of demonizing on its own. Here’s the saga of Royal Crown Cola, Diet Rite, Big Sugar, Cyclamate, cancerphobia and the regulators.

      http://mentalfloss.com/article…..ry-rc-cola

      1. Sorry, only interested in Crown Royal and cola.

        1. Try replacing Crown Royal with rum.
          /Big Molasses

      2. Thanks — that was a fascinating read.

        1. This is a clear example of government doing what it does best. You don’t need a choice of 23 cola beverages when children are hungry in this country. So, government had to spring to action. Of course, it had to be stealthy to accomplish this noble end, which not only assured the undying patriotism of Coca Cola and Pepsi Cola executives, but also that of American farmers and Cargill executives. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to eliminate wasteful competition. Think of how many children would have gone hungry if it had not done so.

  7. This low-fat mindset is still everywhere. My parents think I’m going to drop dead since I eat salads with full fat dressings, steak, hamburger, eggs, lots of nuts, and don’t eat “healthy” full grain bread and pasta.

    And I still see the low-fat advice given on TV to people who are pre-diabetic or diabetic. The government stooge suggested low-fat yogurt (sugar), grains (more sugar). and fruit (even more sugar). Er, hello? Isn’t that going to spike your blood sugar levels?

    1. The local PSA’s are all about water now. Apparently even skim milk (their previous recommendataion) is evil now. They’ll probably be pushing gruel next.

    2. The low fat hypothesis is so anti-science that I’m amazed how it has persisted. You basically have to be an evolution-denying creationist to believe that our bodies are somehow poorly adapted to eat the food that our ancestors consumed.

      1. Humans are the giant pandas of the primate world.

        1. I know I should ask, but I have to…

          Why?…

          1. AAAAhhh! should should be shouldn’t.

      2. {B]beef from a modern, grain-fed steer may contain as much as 35 percent of its calories in fat, and much of that fat is saturated. In contrast, the flesh of antelope ? thought to be far more like the meat on which our species used to cut its teeth ? contains only about 7 percent of its calories in fat, almost all of which is unsaturated. And some of that fat is even omega-3.

        From “Is All Saturated Fat The Same”, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..75401.html

        1. I don’t know. We used to take some pretty fat fucking antelopes from the wheat fields. The venisons were if anything even fatter. HART OF GREASE. On the other hand, I’d say antelope meat is about the perfectest fucking red meat around. Everything else tastes like it somehow failed to live up to the ideal of antelope meat in some domain or other.

          1. Try camel meat if you ever get the chance.

      3. It seemed reasonable at the time. I’ve done enough experimental biology to be all too familiar with the tradeoff between sensitivity & fidelity of models?for instance, exposing melanoma cells to UVC (which is found only under germicidal lamps) to detect DNA damage, because the amount of damage from the more prevalent UVB, & especially UVA, is too little to detect in the lab unless you put in 100 times the man-hours working on it. So how do they produce atherosclerosis experimentally? By feeding mice a very unusual-for-them diet of butter & eggs. It works. It just may not be realistic as applied to humans under any but extreme conditions.

        1. No. In the wild mice eat every fucking thing. There are mice that live almost entirely on soap. Their generations are much shorter than man and there are races adapted to living off just about anything remotely conceivable. The same is as true as possible when it comes to the history of diet in human. The ideal of human evolving with some specific diet is not really supportable from any evidence. In contrast, we see races of men living on just about every remotely feasible variation in diet from the earliest days of the species. And grains were a major component of diet in some of the oldest. The only thing we can know for certain is that man is capable of living as carnivore while there are limits on how herbivorous he can be.

          1. It’s worth noting, however, that the huge number of generations of mice fed on soy meal have never resulted in a race that is capable of living on it without insanely elevated rates of cancer.

          2. yet it’s the mildly elevated rates associated with sugar that gets attention

            1. Soy is bad shit, and nobody should eat it.

      4. That’s why I like Paleo (or caveman or cowboy, whatever you want to call it)

        Get as close to natural as possible. Meat, veggies, eggs, some rice, occasional fruit

      5. The low fat hypothesis is so anti-science that I’m amazed how it has persisted.

        I’m sorry, it “amazes” you that anti-science ideas persist? What planet are you from?

        1. A close friend’s mother is a chemtrail loon. No evidence will change her mind. The low-fat cult is like that, but much more pervasive and insidious., more harmful, more ignorant.

          Trigger Warning’s guide to eating: eat sugar, even fresh fruit, very sparingly, if at all; eating grain is the same thing as eating sugar; hunt your own meat if you can, but it’s ok if you can’t; never eat “low fat” anything; eat lots of veggies; coconut oil is your friend; never smoke cigarettes; exercise really, really hard at least three days a week; get your ass out-of-doors as often as possible.

          Get laid or spank it semi-regularly. There, I said it. And it’s ok to pray. To Jeebus, Krishna, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Phoebe Cates from Ridgemont High, whatever.

          1. Eat right, exercise, don’t drink, don’t smoke, die anyway.

      6. Because evolution is proven science with consensus and creationism is impossible? Therefore you can’t be a creationist and use common sense in your diet choices? Makes sense.

    3. “consuming high-cholesterol food?such as eggs, long demonized as a heart-health no-no?doesn’t correlate to high blood-cholesterol.”
      I’ve believed for years that because our bodies can process certain foods better than others (sometimes to our detriment – a baked potato will spike your blood glucose faster than just about any sweet) we need to be quite specific in our diets. My cholesterol was sky high when I was “eating well” a few decades ago. Two years ago, at my advanced age, my numbers were absolutely fantastic – with my bacon for breakfast and greasy hamburgers for lunch.
      Triglycerides high? Cut out that whole-grain bread and eat some bacon instead. You’ll likely lose weight, as well.

  8. What a benighted backward age the ’60s were. Not at all like today when we definitely know for sure which foods are good and which ones are explosive death poison.

    1. See the final sentence of this post. That’s why I was annoyed with the NYTimes piece, b/c it implies this was all just some relic of an unenlightened time and today’s gov nutrition advice is totally sound. It also has a quote about why gov should fund all nutrition research

      1. They lie about everything else, why not nutrition too.

        1. And worst of all, Michelle Obama continues to press for low-fat, low-salt school meals for kids that taste so awful they just dump their lunches in the trash and head to the 7-11. It would be great if someone could get her response on all this new proof that fat was never the enemy, sugar is.

          ENB, why not reach out to the First Lady’s office for comment?

          1. FL is out mainlining sugar and lifting for gainz

      2. I hope you don’t think my comment was directed at you ENB. I’m just razzing the people (some surely populating this very thread) who claim to definitely know what’s good and what’s not and in what proportions for a system as opaque and complex as the human body.

        1. I would like to point out Hugh that for the last 100+ years there has been a mountain of research done on nutrition. Taubs book outlines it all very well. (Fascinatingly this same research was twisted or ignored when the government et al became involved. Ketogenic diets have been prescribed for diabetics since at least the turn of the 20th century.)The research indicates what humans are most likely to benefit from eating. Of course each person is an individual and there are numerous population differences. But the overarching macro suggestions of 50-70% fats 10-30% proteins and

          1. damn comments:

            1. OK :
              less than 10% carbs seems to be borne out by the research as ideal for most people.

              stupid less than sign was screwing me.

          2. and WHAT????

            WHAT’S THE LAST MACRO?????

            DAMN YOU, CB!

            *keels over*

            1. According to AM below I am responsible for your death. I will visit your widow an child and provide them a wreath of black roses and an apology.

              1. Whiskey to be exact

        2. I don’t know about the best diet, but I do know that humble pie never killed anyone.

          1. ‘umble pie was made from the organs of game animals the nobility didn’t want to eat. I really want to say it was deer, but I have to double check. ‘Humble Pie’ was a metaphorical derivation because the people in the household who did eat it were near the bottom of the heap.

            1. And lobster was reserved for the slaves, because they are nasty bottom feeders. Workers would have clauses in their cobtracts, limiting how many times a week they could be fed lobster.

              1. I only mentioned it because a lot of people don’t realize ‘umble pie was a real food.

              2. Its the butter…mmmmmm…

                So who do you think the first guy to pry open an oyster was? Was he like “huh This pile of cow snot looks yummy, lets put that in our mouth.”?

                Cause I am glad he did, boyooo do I love me some oysters.

                1. I’m certain a lot of food was discovered out of desperation.

                  “No thanks, I’ll just starve” is not something a successful species says.

                  1. escargot, oysters, crabs, lobsters, mussels, clams, geoduck clams, caviar, fois gras, basically all the best shit is disgusting…and I can’t stop eating it.

                  2. UCS: Ok, but bird nest soup? They rappel down the sheer cliff to get the nest, and then make a meal out of it?

                    My counter theory is that a lot of our more exotic food was discovered as a joke between royal chefs: Who could get the king to eat and gush over the most ridiculous thing.

                    I got him to eat oysters.

                    I got him to eat tripe!

                    I got him to eat rotten cheese!

                    I got him to eat a bird’s nest!

                    I got him to eat fish eggs.

                    Of course, the chef who can actually discover a new gross-seeming ingredient that either naturally tastes delicious or can be made to do so.

            2. chicken wings came about in much the same way

            3. aka scrapple

            4. I always wonder what desperation drove people to eat balut or stinky tofu.

      3. I take it is a lesson that all govt research can be corrupted, even ‘climate change’.

    2. “What a benighted backward age the ’60s were. Not at all like today when we definitely know for sure which foods are good and which ones are explosive death poison.”

      How the blazes did people get so far gone that they can’t use their sense of taste to determine what food is good and what isn’t? It’s fucking weird. And I keep encountering people who apparently don’t understand the difference between “sour” and “bitter”.

  9. Stomping on Baylen’s territory, huh Elizabeth? I like it!

    My friend is a Registered Dietician. A great deal of their CE work is sponsored and put on by those same industry groups. I’ve paged through the materials before and it’s amazing (or perhaps not) how closely it mirrors the government horseshit.

    I highly recommend Death by Food Pyramid: How Shoddy Science, Sketchy Politics and Shady Special Interests Have Ruined Our Health

    Minger does a fantastic job of researching the nasty shit that led to the infamous (12 servings of grains!!) food pyamid.

    And always remember Warty’s Maxim: “If you don’t want to be a fat fuck, don’t eat fat fuck food.”

    1. Her takedown of the China Study on her blog is good reading too.

    2. Later this afternoon: a Baylen Linnekin article about sex work?

    3. I was a health/nutrition writer just before coming to Reason. RDs are the worst. Never interviewed one who wasn’t dumb, dishonest, or both

      1. You forgot fat.

        1. Wow, you’ve got that right. The RD at our hospital is at least 100 pounds overweight.

          And I’ve never heard a single person mention the irony.

          1. You can’t call ENB fat

    4. “If you don’t want to be a fat fuck, don’t eat fat fuck food.”

      It’s called cultivating mass. Do you even lift, bro?

      1. If you don’t want to be a fat fuck, don’t eat fat fuck food.

        You can have my pop-tart ice cream sandwiches when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

        And I’ve been working on my grip since it’s the weakest part of my deadlift and pullups. So… you know… good luck.

    5. The funny thing is, progressives used to call me some kind of right wing conspiracy nut for saying that the food pyramid and the government dietary recommendations were bullshit and were the result of corruption.

      But now that the angle is that evil corporation bribed someone unnamed, they are all behind it.

      The one thing they will never admit is that the government and its regulatory agencies are at fault.

  10. In other news obesity cause stymies DoD officials

    It’s not exactly clear why America’s military personnel are getting fatter

    Yep, need more data! Of course, out trots the normal ‘BMI screws the heavily muscled’ misdirection right on cue.

    Love how they implicate the chow halls and don’t touch the ubiquitous Domino’s, Burger King and BaskinRobins on every installation. The chow halls actually provide the healthiest choices.

    1. You know, if you go to Burger King, get a Whopper and eat open face (using only half the bun) and skip the fries, you have a pretty healthy meal. Beef, tomato, lettuce, onions, and just a little carbs from one slender piece of bread.

      People too often seem to think it’s burgers that cause obesity at a fast-food joint. No, it’s the fries and the full-sugar soft drinks that get you.

      Did you ever notice that at most fast-food places where you fill your own drink, they rarely have more than one sugar-free drink option (besides water, of course). And still, far too many people think that calories in drinks don’t count, only food. Voila, massive obesity everywhere.

    2. After eating in the save DFAC (kinda like a cafeteria) for 18 months as our military, I can tell you why. Cookies, ice cream, fat, grease, tons of carbs, very little in the way of anything healthy.

  11. Of course, the response to this will be calls for more regulation and paternalism, foregoing the fact that it’s the regulatory and advisory approach that got us here in the first place. We got it wrong then, but we’ve wised up and we’ll get it right this time!

    1. The fix for bad government is more government.

  12. The funny thing is that if you actually read the data, as I did as a kid in the 70’s, it was obvious that the government was lying to everyone and that dietary guidelines were totally fabricated by the highest bidder. How many times have we seen the food pyramid be altered to match the latest paid-for studies and social-engineering goals?

    The government shouldn’t even be involved in this stuff, much less making policy on it.

    1. The government shouldn’t even be involved in this stuff, much less making policy on it.

      440, dude.

      440.

    2. How do we even know the pyramid is the best shape for food choices? That’s some Illuminati shit, if you asked me. I think the most natural shape would be the Food Sphere.

      1. Food spheres roll off of plates and are hard to work with. Make it a food brick.

    3. But in reality nobody gives a shit what the pyramid says.

    4. They basically reverse their positions on everything every five years or so, pretty damn regularly. I think that’s a pretty good sign you don’t know what youretalkking about

  13. Here we go. Big Fat pouring money into Reason to denigrate sweet, tasty sugar.

    1. “I can’t live the button-down life like you. I want it all. The terrifying lows, the dizzying highs the creamy middles. Sure, I might offend a few of the blue noses with my cocky stride and musky odors. Oh, I’ll never be the darling of the so-called city fathers who cluck their tongues, stroke their beards and talk about, ‘What’s to be done with this Homer Simpson?'”

      1. “I’m just talking to the sugar man, mother.”

      2. “You see, according to *Cocteau’s* plan. *I’m* the enemy. Because I like to think, I like to read. I’m into freedom of speech, freedom of choice. I’m the kind if guy who would sit in the greasy spoon and think “Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the big rack of Barbecued spare ribs with the side order of gravy fries?” I *want* high cholesterol. I want to eat bacon, butter and buckets of cheese alright? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in a non-smoking section. I wanna run around naked with green jell-o all over my body reading a Playboy magazine. Why? Because maybe I feel the need to okay pal? I’ve *seen* the future, you know what it is. It’s made by a 47 year-old virgin in gray pajamas soaking in a bubble bath, drinking a broccoli milkshake and thinking “I’m an Oscar-Meyer Wiener”.”

        1. I don’t care if an unkind word has never been said about it, that movie would still be underrated.

          1. Leary rants are classic.

        2. “I’ve *seen* the future, you know what it is. It’s made by a 47 year-old virgin in gray pajamas soaking in a bubble bath, drinking a broccoli milkshake and thinking “I’m an Oscar-Meyer Wiener”.”

          Demolition Man came out in the 90s and predicted the rise of the Pajama boy.

          1. You want to know the strangest thing about DEMOLITION MAN? If the director’s commentary soundtrack on the DVD I have is serious (It can’t be, can it?) the Director thought it was a straightforward action flick.

            Huh?

            How could you possibly direct that thing without understanding it as a parody of action movies, full of black, black comedy?

    2. Lena Dunham is pouring money into Reason, who knew?

  14. The New York Times wants this to be a story about junk-food bigwigs screwing with science to the detriment of American health. And it is, in part. But beyond that, the findings also indict “dietary science” that the U.S. government has been pushing for decades, and still continues to push.

    This is a wedge move by the Times to side step into oil companies and global warming.

  15. I’m pretty sure the solution is more subsidies for the Corn Industry.

    1. *porn

  16. Conspiracy theory hysteria. Tighten your tinfoil hat and you forgot about the Lizard People. Just keep eating cholesterol and fat and see how long you last. Idiots.

    1. D-. You can and have done better.

      Tighten it up, man.

      1. Yeah, it needed more “GMO” and “Jewsanto”.

        1. I keep forgetting to say “Thank you Monsanto” because RoundUp really helped get rid of some stubborn plants that were growing through my sidewalk. Now I have to figure out how to keep other plants from taking root in the same places.

          1. Bee killer.

            1. Are you calling me one or suggesting it? Because I can’t apply insecticides to the entire neghborhood (too expensive, too many cops)

      2. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I nearly died from fat. I’ve been in Weight Watchers for 20 years and had 5 barometric procedures. You people are messing with people’s lives with your stupidity. Your ignorance will kill. I’m scared for you and the people around you. Get help. You need to be shut down.

        1. 5 barometric procedures

          Would you say you’ve been under a lot of pressure?

        2. You need to be shut down.

          Yeah!

        3. You had 5 procedures to cure you from atmospheric pressure? Cool story, bro.

          1. Now he lives on top of a mountain!

            1. In space!

        4. I know quite a few people that are in Weight Watchers and it works for them. If you don’t have the discipline to restrict calories on your own, and let’s face it, most people don’t, Weight Watchers is a great way to go.

    2. This is quite possibly the best thing I will read today.

      Go get’em AM. You are missing out on your 12 servings of high glycemic foods, you best go catch-up.

      The more sugar you eat the sooner we wont have to listen to your inane drivel…taking insulin 3 times a day can be a bitch.

      1. Sounds like someone who doesn’t want to put down the crisco yet.

        What, did your doctor make you go & get some papers signed & suddenly attending a few WW meetings you have no interest in being at make you an expert on the inner workings of a support group millions of people worldwide attend to find some comfort in dealing with the harmful effects that fat and cholesterol have introduced into their lives?

        WW is hardly a cure, either. It is & only claims to be a daily reprieve from the unmanageability of a life dictated by the harsh demands of fat.

        & If you are truly so informed as to the true nature of the conspiracy behind WW please demystify us as to who this all-pervasive “they” is that laugh & chuckle & slosh their donuts about merrily as they watch you suffer the drudgery of another day without your beloved ice cream or potato chip of choice? Please name names as to who is profiting from the $1 members chuck into a basket they are misled into believing pays for coffee, literature & to support the churches & other institutions that allow an WW group to use their facilities.

        Nothing I resent more than an ill-informed conspiracy theory nut in a boat full of holes.

        May your higher power help you find what you are seeking. May she grant me the patience & pereseverance to endure the ignorance you spread.

        1. This one is better. C-.

          1. Yes much better, a straw man soundly beaten too for good measure. I am even willing to give him a C+. A ROADZ would have, a la your health is my business cause of insurance blsh blah, would have put him solidly into B+ A- territory.

          1. WW is not part of any other group. It started in Akron Ohio when Jean Nidetch realized the only thing that was going to stop him from stepping into the Mayflower hotel dessert bar was to find another problem eater to talk with and share common experience, strength and hope. Both had tried many other ways, but one fatty sharing with another creates a common bond and a spiritual connection. WW is open to people of all backgrounds and religions, just like the USA, people who don’t like either are free to leave?..God bless America and WW forever.

            1. See, you can’t be TOO overt or your sense of sincerity diminishes. That last line kills the game man, if you want to lure even newbies in you need to be more subtle.

              1. Have you seen the site linked in his handle? I don’t think this is trolling, I think he’s just weapons-grade crazy.

            2. Ok, dipshit. You’ve been going to WW for 20 years……. me thinks you need to find another program as you’ve seemingly not learned shit. And it’s Bariatric surgery, if you’ve 5 of them then one would think you’d know the proper name of it…. but then again it’s you so………

              1. If he’d had five of them, I’d find a different surgeon. Because it’s not generally something that can be repeated that many times.

                1. His scar tissue has scar tissue, and if he ever sneezes, he’ll die.

        2. Ice cream and potato chips are high-fat, high-carb foods. They’re not on anyone’s high-fat, low-carb diet (at least, not regularly).

          Crisco is about the worst source of fat you could consume, along with margarine and most vegetable oils (save olive oil, for the most part). Coconut oil and animal fats are much better. Nuts are okay but shouldn’t be gorged on.

          Don’t talk about “ill-informed” and “ignorant” when you clearly know nothing yourself.

          1. Ya know though, if you are going to be bad, and going to violate the tenets of a low carb diet, and make a pie. Crisco is the absolute best way to make a flaky crust. I hate the stuff, I love animal fat over everything else. When I smoke my pork bellies (finished in oven) i drain, strain, and save ALL the fat. I use that stuff for everything BUT baking a pie crust. I think it is some hydrophobic property of crisco that makes it the best for flakyness.

            1. THIS IS NOT TO SAY IT SHOULD BE USED IN CROISSANTS

              Dear god no, that is a different flaky, That needs very cold butter and LOTS of it.

            2. Eh, I’ve had good luck with butter for pie crusts.

              1. Cut in 50% crisco next time…tell me it isn’t magic. Most likely poison too but magic none the less.

            3. Have you tried with good lard? I always hear that makes the best crusts.

              1. Honestly no. I would hope so. But lard seems to be difficult to find these days, hence every dripping from a pan in my house is treated like gold.

                1. But lard seems to be difficult to find these days

                  Try a Mexican market. Lard is common in Mexican cooking.

                  1. And do you have any idea how much flipping beef sewet just get throwed out every day by places? If you look for it, you can get all you want, and rendering it into tallow is a piece of piss. I make all my own tallow from scavenged beef fat this way, and it’s both cheap and excellent for all kinds of things, and last for flipping ever. Just make sure you trim all the flesh off and to strain it through some really fine sieve (I use coffee filters. Takes for flipping ever, but I got best result.). I generally don’t use the last half inch or whatever in the kettle, since it’s likely to have almost all the sediments. That’s great for the chicken in winter. I put it in a can out there and they go stomp around in it and it grease their legs up and they stay a lot warmer on the ice. They’ll also peck at it and get it smeared on their heads which prevents frostbite of the comb.

                2. Your dripping just ain’t rendered right. You got to remove every scrap of meat before you cook it, and add water to start. The simmer it for hours till every scrap of moisture is gone and filter out the fritters with a fine sieve, like a coffee filter. It should be almost pure white when it hardens. And be pretty flipping hard, with no soft patches. I don’t know lard specificly. I don’t eat the pig (Eat the pig, go to hell.). But I do tallow all the time. Beef fat trimmings are generated in abundance all over and generally throwed out. Find somebody cutting meat for a restaurant or something and there you go. You’ll be drowning in it. Works great for everything I’ve tried. Clearly superior to Cristo in most case.

        3. Can someone explain to me whether this AM person is real or not?

          1. Oh my god you do not want to know.

          2. Troll that intersperses random nonsense along with occasional insight. It’s just rational enough to make you think you’re interacting with an actual viewpoint.

        4. “the harsh demands of fat”

          I may have to do a painting on this theme.

  17. food-industry associates gave talks alongside federal officials and their logos? Nestl?, Dannon, Cargill?were splashed everywhere

    They’re not stupid – they all know who signs their paycheck and they all know who’s going to sign their next paycheck. (If they play their cards right.)

  18. Elizabeth doesn’t mention another sugar daddy, Fredrick Stare, founding chairman of Harvard’s nutrition school and a major figure in demonizing dietary fat.

    With Harvard PhD Elizabeth Whelan, Stare co-founded the American Council on Science and Health (ACSH), which has often been characterized as an industry mouthpiece.

    In the 1980s ACSH published a booklet on sugar and health. The booklet was printed in-house by the Hershey Co. but that was never revealed publicly. Later ACSH published a booklet on alcohol and health to which the Stroh Brewery Co. was secretly invited to contribute. Both Stroh and Hershey were ACSH donors.

    Elizabeth Whelan ran ACSH with an iron fist (and a maleable board) until her death in 2015. I worked for the organization in 1978-79 until I quit in disgust over its shameful ethics. I was responsible for fundraising, among other things. At one point the Professional Lawn Care Association asked me if ACSH could produce a publication defending the safety of lawn chemicals. When I relayed this to Whelan she petulantly told me to tell the association that ACSH would only do such a booklet if the association donated the money to pay for it. Whelan had falsely stated many times in public that ACSH was never influenced by or acted as a mouthpiece for funders. Eventually ACSH stopped revealing its funders. (ACSH has been quoted over the years by Reason writers, and at least on of her own pieces has appeared in the publication.)

    1. Nutrition science sounds like a good gig if you can get it.

  19. “There continues to be every bit as much way way more reason to look skeptically at government dietary advice today as there was in the 20th Century history of the modern world.

  20. You need to be shut down.

    I lost 147 lbs on the Stalin Diet. No fat, no carbs, no protein. Just hard work and gruel.

    1. Now we talking. Where did you get your Stalin gruel? Amazon has it for $39.99.

    2. You know who else gave questionable health advice?

  21. A similar story from the other side of the pond: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/ the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin
    [I had to put a space in the link to get around the 50 character limit]

    1. Just use reasonable extension for links.

  22. These comments of pure ignorance are laughable at best.. Did someone in WW bully you? If they did that is very sad but bullies are everywhere the walls of WW don’t make perfection and people don’t claim perfectionism that go there I would hope! I believe however someone chooses to
    stop eating junk food is their choice it doesn’t have to be WW and for those that choose barometric surgery that’s great too .. Whatever works in a fatty’s life to change self destructive insidious mind obsessive diseased behaviors then why do you care? Live your life ? When others compare people in WW to Isis there is a serious ignorance within them? Sorry if people not slamming bonbons in their veins or snorting donuts in there nares or drinking milkshakes til their liver shuts down anymore bothers you is utterly disgusting to me ? Leave sugar eaters alone they have suffered enough and you judging the way they get skinny is actually bullying so as you try to use your intellect as a defense mechanism your actually seen as a uneducated scared truly insulting individual who needs some love in their life

    1. This is why I’ll never be a successful troll. Where the hell did all this come from? Who reads this article and these comments and thinks, “I’ll start ranting about Weight Watchers and how everyone here is wrong about them!”?

    2. for those that choose barometric surgery

      Do people really choose to get barometers inserted into their bodies?

  23. The Sugar Association Statement on Kearns JAMA Study

    We acknowledge that the Sugar Research Foundation should have exercised greater transparency in all of its research activities, however, when the studies in question were published funding disclosures and transparency standards were not the norm they are today. Beyond this, it is challenging for us to comment on events that allegedly occurred 60 years ago, and on documents we have never seen.

    We didn’t do anything wrong, you can’t prove we did anythng wrong, and we’ll never do it again.

  24. Apparently you have a conspiracy theory disorder. You truly think that the US government is wrong to wage a war on fat even though the science proves the deadliness of this disease? You truly are remarkable in your willful ignorance and libelous nature.

    1. Ah great, another person who can’t read or understand scientific literature but knows what “the science” says. Wonderful, the world was getting short on useful idiots.

    2. cite please…although I am 10000000% certain you cannot cite even one single study that clearly shows ingesting dietary fat has any effect on blood serum cholesterol…but go ahead and try.

      1. The research is clear, my friend. Vegetarians get less heart disease.

        1. Non vegetarians is not a correlated with the subset of ketogenic dieters.

        2. Dying of starvation is not better!

        3. Correlation is not ____.

        4. Only due to the confounding factors and the weakness of epidemiological analysis.

          1. No, still true if corrected for all other factors. Look, I don’t like it either, I am a hunter. But the research on this is clear. Eating meat increases your chance of heart attack.

            1. I did a decent google fu search and found nothing that doesnt clearly state the evidence is non conclusive and vegetarians are merely in a cohort associated with reduced risks of HD. However, I did find several studies indicating vegetarians are at increased risk of cancer, bone density loss, and malnutrition.

              Bone loss
              Another article

              ‘In such individuals, vegetable oils will be converted to the more pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid, increasing the risk for chronic inflammation that is implicated in the development of heart disease, and exacerbates cancer.

              Vegetarians are often found to be deficient in protein, iron, vitamin D, vitamin B12 and calcium, with one study showing that vegetarians had a five per cent lower bone-mineral density than those who eat meat.

              1. About the only one of those that is valid is the B12 concern, which is easily solved with a cheap daily B12 pill. Everyone should be taking a vit D pill daily anyway. And magnesium. Protein, calcium, and iron are not a problem on a vegetarian diet.

                However, all this talk misses the main benefit of a vegetarian diet: fewer calories. That is what we should all be striving for, and it is damn hard to do that eating meat.

          2. Vegetarian is also much more likely to get all sorts of other diseases, particularly neurologic and some glandular constellation I can’t remember at the moment.

      2. Fact: coronary heart disease is a disease. The AMA has already determined that, in 1952. Prolonged use of fat and cholesterol change neuropathology of the brain & body which has been proven by science, look at PET Scans. Until science can provide a medical method of repairing this damage it can only be done through cognitive behavioral change to create new neuro pathways. WW provides many people a way to do this. Got a better way? If so, put it out there and let people use it, hell make money from it. If not, shut up already. I’ve been to many WW meetings, I’ve seen the good the bad and the ugly, but never what you describe here. I am a fatty and I do attend WW. I am not part of a cult, nor do I recruit, make bets or revel in the struggle of young people. I am not a religious fanatic nor do I have a dogmatic approach. Help people, don’t hurt them. “If you seek to change the world, begin by changing yourself.”-Dali Lama

        1. Perhaps the fat is messing with my eyes…i don’t see a cite.

        2. “1952” he says. LOL.

          Prolonged use of fat and cholesterol change neuropathology of the brain & body which has been proven by science

          Uh huh, that’s why ketogenic diets are being studied left and right to confirm the mounting anecdotal evidence they work on any number of issues from obesity to alzheimers to TBI/CTE.
          If it’s so ineffective and dangerous why has the Reno Police/Fire literally bet their budget on it?
          I get your reaction, I really do, but before you get all upset that your world is being tossed on it’s head, perhaps you should consider that people on this side of the aisle are concerned with helping people too.

          1. Yes, ketogenic diets can help with obesity and Alzheimer’s. But not with heart disease.

            1. You are incorrect sir.

              1. cite 1
                cite 2

                I can go on.

                1. You are gonna have to do better than two short term studies. Unfortunately there are very few long term studies for low carb diets. In contrast, many long term studies for vegetarian diets exist and the data much more robust.

                  1. You didn’t look at the cites (25-30 or so) on that last link. There are a ton of different studies and time frames. You have yet to cite even one supporting your position.

                    Also, to your number of calories argument, following a ketogenic diet actually does reduce caloric intake after adaptation. Fat is a more dense source of energy.

    3. I truly think that the US government is wrong. Primarily because it’s for sale, as it wields so much power.

      Fat is not a disease, it’s a substance.

      Meat & veggies for me. I don’t do a lot of sugar rich foods and never add sugar. I try not to regularly exceed average fat or carb levels, so my mean is below average.

  25. there used to be a guy on PBS who touted his idea of the food circle. the beauty of it was if you eat five twinkies on this side of the circle then you eat this much of X on the opposite side and exercise was always in the middle. it was brilliant but didn’t match the food pyramid so PBS won’t show him anymore

  26. If you want to look as good as me, this is all you need, dietary decision wise.

      1. Is it wrong that I read “tits” twice in your comment?

      2. Exactly. It’s so simple!

        I approach macros as a series of minimums and maximums.

        I need a minimum of 100 grams of protein a day; anymore than 130 grams is a waste. I need a minimum of 30% of my day’s worth of calories to be from fat; no upper limit. And the rest is delicious, delicious carbs.

    1. Riven, I am so disappointed that wasn’t a link to a Shake Weight commercial.

  27. SRF?now called the Sugar Association?paid three of them the equivalent of $49,000 in today’s dollars to publish the misleading literature review.

    These guys sure were cheap. I’m sure today’s scientists aren’t nearly so easily bought off by special interests. /sarc

    1. “THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!”

      How about it? Like it? Ok, that’ll cost you $50,000. Tens and twenties, please.

  28. “But beyond that, the findings also indict “dietary science” that the U.S. government has been pushing for decades, and still continues to push.”

    Yet another hysterical attack on consensus science! Dog-whistling for the climate-deniers, no doubt. Next thing you know, someone will be indicting “climate science” to which the U.S. government has been responsibly attentive for decades.

  29. “As we know now, high cholesterol levels in the blood may portend heart problems, but consuming high-cholesterol food?such as eggs, long demonized as a heart-health no-no?doesn’t correlate to high blood-cholesterol. And saturated fats come in many forms, some bad for you and others some of the healthiest things you can consume.”

    From what I’ve read, I don’t think this is true. What I’ve seen may suggest some link between cholesterol and heart problems but can’t demonstrate that high cholesterol is a useful predictor of heart problems. It’s a predictor for bad outcomes in people who also have heart trouble, but whether cholesterol has any influence on the formation of heart disease in otherwise healthy people is not clear.

  30. I’ll be handing out sticks of butter as trick or treats this year. You want your Kit-Kats and Reeses? There in that bag over there with the Marlboro reds.

  31. The sugar industry has a partner in crime: the grain industry. Together they made sweetened cereals which they pushed on children with Saturday morning cartoons. They induced two generations to become addicted to sugar, largely causing the obesity epidemic we have today.

  32. And nobody at the Times – or much of anywhere else – wants to look at the central problem; that this crap wouldn’t happen if the Federal Government wasn’t (with our connivance) obsessively interested in what citizens ate, drank, and otherwise consumed. It would never occur to them that beyond making sure that food products don’t contain anything the manufacturer is concealing (which, when you get down to it is contract law enforcement) diet and nutrition are none of the government’s goddamned business.

    Also; I’d like somebody to investigate the conspiracy on the part of nutritionists to convince the gullible public that bell peppers are edible.

    1. People have known for dozens of centuries that too much _________ is bad for you. Such knowledge had been around so long that it was eventually codified as a deadly sin, and THAT was a long, long time ago. It takes those who think they’re better than others, and those who desperately need something super-ordinate to believe in, to decide a lot of THIS and not so much of THAT is the way to go.

      It’s so very simple – less refined foods (refinement increases concentrations of _________ and __________ and __________ and _____________, and concentration is what takes something nutritious and turns it into poison, albeit in most cases slow-acting) This salubrious practice of moderation and getting off your ass (yet another deadly sin) is all that it takes (with the exception of “freaks” which exist in any population.

      In short, a sustained diet of grease-dripping food and no sugar or tree bark crusted with sugar will both kill you well before your time. One or two crispy creme donuts a week won’t (so long as you like gut-rot). If you believed a Hahvahd Professor or an apparatchiki or a salesman knew better, you were a sucker.

    2. That is a matter of taste! I can eat them right off of the plant! But, highly processed forms of any food tend to be more likely to have unwanted “side effects”. The human body cannot process cellulose. Obviously that is one carbohydrate source that is no longer needed. So, would it also not be surprising that too much highly processed forms of carbohydrate would be bad. We have developed form animals with canine teeth. So we must be carnivores! Maintaining foods high in the elements that our bodies evolved with and only moderate amounts of unprocessed carbohydrates makes evolutionary sense! Since I have a sweet tooth, I guess I can identify with calling sugar an addictive substance. I have noted that I have hunger about two hours after eating processed carbohydrates that might be associated with increased insulin production, after years of carbohydrate abuse! It does not happen when eating more protein and less carbohydrate. Heck, I can eat a couple of hot dogs without buns, or fried chicken, and never get the hypoglycemic affect! But, that is only anecdotal, and nothing scientific about my findings!

  33. Does this mean that sugary drinks taxes are ok now? Asking for a friend who is the mayor of a large city.

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  35. Highly processed carbohydrates have been the villain for years! Thing is, reviewing the evidence, even the South Beach and Adkins diet had identified that years ago. I was always plagued with a sweet tooth, so I have a real struggle with avoiding them. Fats are digested in the gut. So, cholesterol in the diet has less effect than the genetics of one’s liver in determining cholesterol levels! It seems very unsurprising to find that these tactics are being used. The food pyramid is still a joke among true experts in nutrition!

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  37. This article sounds as misleading as the original N.Y. Times headline was. Hegsted wasn’t “bribed” to say this in his 1967 study; from your own point about his equation from the early 1960s, it’s clear that he actually believed it long before the sugar industry approached him and his colleagues. No doubt that’s why it was him (and the others) that the sugar industry approached.

    This was, in fact, an era of great ignorance about nutrition and weight loss in general. Gary Taubes, in Why We Get Fat, points out that this was the time frame during which Jean Mayer was screwing everybody up scientifically about the ability of exercise to make people lose weight– which he did, so far as anyone can tell, without being “bribed” to do so by anyone.

    Finally, that one study was published didn’t mean that everyone else, whether in science, in government, or in the general public, had to buy it. And this indicts science more than industry, which is at least not expected to be anything other than self-interested. Science is supposed to be self-policing, with scientists trying to repeat past experiments and either reinforce or debunk previous results. It failed– and we now know that it has been failing for decades, with an amazing percentage of past scientific results having turned out not to be reproduceable despite the credentials of the original scientists and the supposed rigor of their peer review process.

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