Bill Weld

William Weld: Never Mind Libertarianism, He's Running as Himself

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Boston magazine has a long take on William Weld, former Massachusetts governor, currently Libertarian vice presidential candidate.

The main takeaway, after some of the usual slightly sneery scene-setting about weirdo libertarians (reported from July's FreedomFest in Las Vegas) and the lovely color detail of the patrician Weld being amazed he's staying in a New York hotel whose price is three digits beginning with "one"?

That while Weld totally thinks of himself as libertarian and has for a long time, he's also a guy who just likes to do strange and challenging things as a lark, like writing novels, and hates being bored and likes being in the political mix.

An unnamed former adviser says "There's nothing more he would like than to be flying around the country on somebody else's dime, flying first class, and talking to political reporters all day." Another unnamed former staffer says of Weld "He is old money, white, and fucking brilliant…Everybody tries to distance himself from those traits when running for office, and he always embraced them and made them his own."

Reason has written quite a bit on some conflicts between Weld and libertarianism as most define it, despite Weld's long-time affection for that self-identification, and this profile is decent on explaining that aspect of the Weld/Libertarian story.

The profile by Simon van Zuylen-Wood sums up that conflict:

Weld's strategy isn't to try to defend libertarian ideas. Instead he articulates the ones he thinks disaffected centrists want to hear. When Johnson suggests abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, Weld raises an eyebrow and clarifies that he wouldn't go that far. When asked about gun control, Weld suggests the formation—cue a million Libertarians choking on their dinner—of a massive new FBI task force….

…. I ask him, at random, about climate change. He advocates pragmatic, mainstream, and essentially unlibertarian ideas about the urgent need for governing bodies to prevent the rise of global temperatures by 2 degrees Celsius.

These aren't ideas his free-market brethren take kindly to. He smiles. He doesn't care: "I'm running as myself."

Weld to Reason TV in May on why Libertarians can trust him:

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  1. So, picking a Barack Obama-supporting candidate as your veep may not be the best libertarian option?

    1. I was wondering how long it would take before the vitriol started pouring in.

      1. Vitriol, and he has my vote. So there.

      2. “There’s nothing more he would like than to be flying around the country on somebody else’s dime, flying first class, and talking to political reporters all day.” Another unnamed former staffer says of Weld “He is old money, white, and fucking brilliant…Everybody tries to distance himself from those traits when running for office, and he always embraced them and made them his own.”

        And by the way… that’s how you do vitriol.

    2. Oh, I see that Diane Reynolds (Paul) is one of those insufferable purists.

      /sarc

  2. Though I love Hillary (she can do no wrong in my eyes) and shill for Jill, I am nevertheless voting for Johnson. Why? One word: Bill Weld.

    1. I thought it had more to do with the fact that you can’t bring yourself to vote for a Jew.

      1. Oh right – I’m an anti-Semite because I don’t think Charlie Hebdo is funny. Thanks for reminding me. What else should I know about myself that I probably don’t realize?

        1. No, you’re an anti-Semite because you consistently peddle wacko blood libel conspiracy theories about the supposed perfidy of the Israelis. Tell us more about how the Israeli defense industry is both fueling and profiting from militarized policing in America’s inner cities.

          1. No – I said that the Israeli private security company G4S wants to set up shop in the US – armed guards outside every bar and convenience store to protect us from jihadis. But that’s hardly news. (I also now shill for Jill, but that is hardly news either.)

            1. Ah, the mask keffiyeh is starting to slip!

              Yes…yes..go on. Tell us more about these rootless cosmopolitans and their war profiteering.

              1. Hm. I feel as if there’s something you’d like to tell us:

                1. Don’t employ the pluralis majestatis unless you’re an Edwardian-era
                  potentate.

                  It’s just gauche, otherwise.

                  1. We are not amused.

          2. Heroic Mullato
            you’re an anti-Semite because you consistently peddle wacko blood libel conspiracy theories about the supposed perfidy of the Israelis.

            Many Klansmen aren’t as vicious as you.

            Would that be the same Israelites who obtained their “promised land” by committing mass genocide of an entire culture (Canannites), ruled that land for less than 300 years over 2,000 years ago, then lost it entirely on their own, because a civil war created two Jewish nations, one of which stood by and refused to help defend their own fellow Jews from invasion … creating the 10 lost tribes?

            Those Israelis?

            I stand with the Orthodox Jews who believe their current territory is NOT the Promised Land. Because it did not came from God, instead came from western powers fucking over Islam to assuage their own guilt for allowing the Holocaust. That would be the Second Holocaust, not the slaughter of Jews by Christian Crusaders … in Germany of all places.

            Just trying to be clear.

            Now, America’s entire military force is to assure Israel remains the only nuclear power in the nation .. as ISIS recruits terrorists by asking, “If nobody else is allowed nukes, then why does Israel need them except for more aggression?” But there is NO Judeo-Christian war on Islam. And how many more millions must die, to reverse the outcome of the Jews’ own civil war?

            Just askin’

    1. That’s funny. i was just reminded of the opening break from that earlier today, and DL’d it to play with.

      i think it was used in the Shadow/CutChemist “Brainfreeze” mix but otherwise wasn’t much used by people. Except for this, which i never liked.

  3. Weld suggests the formation….of a massive new FBI task force….

    …. the urgent need for governing bodies to prevent the rise of global temperatures by 2 degrees Celsius

    You know for a supposed pragmatist libertarian he does seem to want more government…

    1. Yes but these are things we can work with. For example I can declare allegiance to ISIS and distract the FBI from trying to radicalize retarded kids to jihad against their mothers but first blow up the local synagogue because that would really show her, right?

    2. MA Republicans share 70% of their political DNA with libertarians which sounds great until you recognize that garden slugs share 70% of their dna with humans.

    3. There’s a Hell of a lot of self-described libertarians who think it means having really super smart and enlightened central planners who will decide what choices everyone should be allowed to make.

      1. I ran into a millennial who was a “libertarian” and a huge GayJay supporter, and he fell right into that category. His biggest complaint about the Rs and the Ds was that they were all controlled by stupid people, and the LP was filled with smart people.

        Thankfully there was ample beer, because if that guy is representative of the “libertarian moment,” it’s gonna look a lot like the “libertarian moment” in Maoist China.

  4. Nothing says “diversity” than a Boston Brahmin.

    1. William Weld?

      Is that the story of the dude who shot an arrow through an apple sitting on some shlep’s head?

      1. William Tell

        1. Tell who?

            1. Don’t you mean Fist?

              1. What does a krulak have to do with this?

      2. Bah. Wasn’t meant to be a response. No offense.

        1. Hi Ho Silver

      3. No, he’s the guy in that Poe story who murders his doppelganger.

          1. Deadpool?

  5. We are not amused by the memes, petitions and signs about Harambe. Our zoo family is still healing, and the constant mention of Harambe makes moving forward more difficult for us. We are honoring Harambe by redoubling our gorilla conservation efforts and encouraging others to join us.”

    1. This makes me want to see even more Harambe memes.

    2. I am amused by Harambe memes. Please, continue:

            1. Ok… does that mean I can’t keep spreading the blood libel?

                1. Is there Blood Slander?

        1. “Harambe was a Jew?”

          I’d like to meet his mohel.

  6. Is there something here that is supposed to impress me or make me want to vote for him?

    1. Who votes for or against the Vice Presidential candidate?

      1. One would hope you bring something to the ticket worth voting for though.

      2. The anti-Palins? It was all I ever heard about (other than around here) when McCain was running.

        Seriously–people were phreaking the phuck out about her. I guess this time is different ’cause the younger one would be Prez…?

        1. I processed that as “The anti-Paladins? It was all I ever heard about (other than around here) when McCain was running.”

          I think it’s time for a break from DnD campaign planning.

      3. I don’t know. I love Hillary, but I can’t stand Tim whoever, so I’m voting for Jill watermelon.

      4. When it is a protest candidate, and said VP candidate gets as much screen time as the candidate himself…yea, he’s kind of important.

        Where is this guy libertarian, exactly?

      5. Well, when your VP choice offends most every libertarian out there, it doesn’t say great things about your judgement.

  7. Maybe having Mitt Romney in the Johnson administration cabinet will pull Weld in a a more libertarian direction.

    Together they’re an ex-Republican governor triple threat.

  8. Weld was a mistake. We should all say a prayer asking that nothing bad happens to President Johnson.

    1. Is that you Mark Hanna?

    2. Weld is certainly not a libertarian but he also doesn’t fit into either party today and has fiscal conservative bona fides. I presume Johnson brought him aboard primarily as rainmaker for fundraising and endorsement hunting.

      Given that his campaign is having unprecedented success in fundraising and polling I don’t see a reason to harp too much about the choice of Weld.

      1. Yes the whole “who cares if he’s a sellout as long as we win!” attitude has never caused problems before. I mean it’s not like there hasn’t been a history of “reformers” taking power and becoming the same old, same old.

        1. Johnson’s America is a thousand times more libertarian and free than either Trump or Hillary’s and that’s really all I care about.

          It also helps that Johnson doesn’t have compromising character flaws like compulsive liar Hillary and deranged narcissist Trump.

          1. Johnson’s America is a thousand times more libertarian and free than either Trump or Hillary’s and that’s really all I care about.

            Interesting that this line of thinking has usually been disparaged on Reason.

            1. Except that the multiplier is usually — maybe — two or three times, not “a thousand times.” If I thought that a GOP candidate — or even a Democrat — would make the U.S. 1000x more libertarian than the opponents would, I would seriously think about voting for that candidate. It would be a tough call, because I also like to help build the Libertarian Party by increasing its vote count and the number of registered Libertarian voters. This year, I can do that AND support a candidate who HAS SHOWN he can do the job if elected, and who will work hard to make this country MANY TIMES more libertarian than it is now, not to mention MANY MORE TIMES libertarian than any of his opponents would or could. I have been voting LP since 1980. NO candidate has agreed with me 100%. NO candidate has slavishly followed the Party Platform 100%. This year’s POTUS ticket is yet another mix of qualities, but in the mix is more than enough genuine libertarianism to suit me, and to qualify to be the standard bearer of the LP in 2016. If Weld were the top of the ticket, I might really have to hold my nose, but as long as he is #2 and Johnson can benefit from his experience, fundraising skills, and “brilliance,” then what is not to like?

            2. GO TEAM EL PEE GO!

            3. Bake the cake, schlomo!

        2. Yes the whole “who cares if he’s a sellout as long as we win!” attitude has never caused problems before.

          Well, why don’t we try it for once and see how it turns out?
          Just for a change.

      2. Agreed. He’ll also attract the Trumpary haters with his milktoastiness. He appears to be the antithesis of the nuttery that is Trump and the cunt.

        …but he’s NOT anything that could be called a libertarian.

        1. Johnson isn’t going to win. He is a guy who is supposed to be out there using this opportunity to sell libertarianism and get ideas out. Same goes for Weld.

          The current situation is one where even when Johnson gives a coherent and genuinely libertarian idea, Weld is right behind him to say, “I wouldn’t go that far,” as he proceeds to give the exact opposite position that is completely dependent upon government intervention.

          If you think temporary poll bumps and fundraising are going to help libertarianism long term, I think you are sorely mistaken. I see a golden opportunity being squandered. The LP will be lucky to ever get this much media attention in future cycles, and they are spending it pushing a weird hodge podge of ideas that often contradict.

          What other ticket has their VP openly and frequently disagree with the party at large as well as the candidate himself?

          1. Andrew Jackson/John C. Calhoun?

            1. Well in the olden days there was the idea of “balancing the ticket”. This caused trouble when the President died (e.g, John Tyler and Andrew Johnson) and fell out the way when FDR died and caused Veep picks to be increasingly scrutinized and is pretty impossible now with the enormous media coverage. Oh and by the way the Veep has a lot more power than he used to (something Johnson is not going to undo it seems) which makes this more difficult and now that the Veep picks are the Convention doing the candidates bidding rather a free vote.

          2. What other ticket has their VP openly and frequently disagree with the party at large as well as the candidate himself?

            I find that refreshing. Anti-Team. I just wish it was the Nazi-cakes he was disagreeing with.

            1. Really? How much of that did Weld do when he was a Republican? If he were offering more libertarian positions, I’d be more willing to tolerate it.

              Right now I see their are an awful lot of people willing to embrace what is quite clearly a butchering of the libertarian message. When they are willing to continue to endorse said candidate and react prickly to criticisms of the ticket, it definitely stinks of go-team partisanship to me. Where we are going to disagree most strongly is on the good or harm this will do over time.

              It is undeniable that Johnson-Weld won’t win. But right now they have the microphone, and if I was ignorant of libertarianism and listening, I would have no more of a clue as to what the hell it is than I did before.

              1. if I was ignorant of libertarianism and listening, I would have no more of a clue as to what the hell it is than I did before.

                If he (GJ) can convince a fair portion of the population that libertarianism is being “fiscally conservative and socially tolerant” it will be a huge win. I’m a big believer in incrementalism (ask the progs if it works). People don’t change overnight. They certainly don’t change when they think the idea is radical, which is exactly their position on libertarianism.

                Baby steps to liberty. GJ is exactly what the Dr ordered.

                1. Except gun control, another Kerner commission, carbon taxes, burqa ban and Nazi cakes don’t strike me as a very “libertarian” incrementalism.

                  1. Those are examples of incrementally pushing the norm further to the progressive side.

                    1. The big problem with libertarian incrementalism is that your goal is to have politicians, bureaucrats, government contractors, people on the dole, etc. lose power and funding something that they don’t like while the Fabians had the advantage of giving those groups what they wanted, that is more money and power.

                    2. The big problem with libertarian incrementalism is that your goal is to have politicians, bureaucrats, government contractors, people on the dole, etc. lose power and funding something that they don’t like

                      This is the biggest reason that I believe the only way to get to smaller government is through revolution (whether violent or non-violent). I don’t think it’s possible to increase liberty iteratively. It’s waaaaaaay too tempting to abuse power.

                    3. I don’t think it’s possible to increase liberty iteratively.

                      I would very much like to try, before going to the mattresses.

                    4. How many decades would you like to spend trying, Francisco?

                  2. Nor tolerant.

            2. You missed the part about how Johnson seems to want to give Weld quite a bit of power which will prevent Johnson from doing the libertarianish things he advocates.

              And not to mention I thought two-faced politicians that we can’t trust was something Reason attacked a lot?

              1. Reason‘s gone full establishment RINO. GayJay and Weld both say “they’re a couple of Republican Governors” running on the LP ticket. They’re not libertarians, they’re not even “stealth libertarians” they’re fucking “No Labels” Republicans who seized the only available minor party 50-state ballot line.

                This race is similar to 1980. Hillary is Jimmy Carter, Trump is Reagan, and GayJay thinks he’s John Anderson. I predict he’s going to underperform Ed Clark…again.

              2. You missed the part where Johnson admitted that, as President and VP, they were obliged to work within the constraints established by the Constitution. That same Constitution gives very limited authority and function to the VP. Even if Johnson commissions his running-mate with serious tasks and programs — as Clinton did his ACTUAL mate, recall — in the end, Congress will have to pass bills and President Johnson will have to sign them, not Vice (“Co-“) President Weld. Weld’s “power” will amount to Johnson’s courtesy. Under those circumstances, I think that, if Johnson wants to do any “libertarianish” thing, Weld will have only the power of persuasion to talk him out of it. Now, granted, Weld is a slick talker and Johnson is not. But Johnson isn’t a fool. If he really thinks that going in a particular libertarian(“-ish”) direction is the right thing to do, I don’t think Weld could talk him out of it, much less thwart him via any constitutional powers or means.

                1. Having listened to Johnson talk, I remain completely unconvinced he’s not a fool.

          3. The Libertarian Party is getting all of this attention precisely because the top-ticket candidates have serious track records. It isn’t simply that this is the anti-establishment year. Look at Jill Stein. She is getting attention, too, but seemingly much less, I think because she and her running-mate are far less credible candidates for POTUS than Johnson/Weld. The media are intrigued that there are alternative candidates running this year, who could actually win (if people voted for them) and actually do the job if they win. Now, would people with serious track records put themselves on the line only to sell an ideology, with no credible expectation of winning? Johnson has said, over and over, that they wouldn’t be doing this unless they saw a chance to win outright. Maybe it’s a LONG long-shot, but it appears that they see a good fight in it for themselves, as well as some chance to win and make history, either way. I have been watching videos of the two interacting in Town Halls and at campaign events. To me, it seems clear that Johnson is not Weld’s sock puppet; I am encouraged that he won’t have any problem leaving aside the more objectionably statist proposals and advice that Weld might contribute. Then again, Johnson is far from being a doctrinaire libertarian, but he certainly wants to take the nation much further down the libertarian road then even Reagan ever promised (much less delivered). That’s a good start.

    3. We should all say a prayer asking that nothing bad happens to President Johnson.




      ok did someone hand out drugs? Why was i not told?

      1. But would you go so far as to say, “He was a wonderful public servant”?

    4. Which of the other short bus members should they have nominated?

      1. I’m nominating Gary Busey for everything today, so, Gary Busey.

    5. Ship already sailed on that, by about 41 years. Or 141 years.

      1. Actually, come to think of it, maybe one of the candidates should try to co-opt the libertarian vote by making Johnson his or her VP.

  9. The transformation of an “electable” LP into GOP-Lite is happening a lot quicker than I thought. Also I get the distinct feeling that Johnson and especially Weld would rather just ditch libertarianism and the turn the LP into some wishy-washy centrist party. This is of course what many on Reason would normally hate but TEAM!

    1. What is giving you that “distinct feeling”? I have so far watched hours of campaign video — from this year alone, not to mention back in 2012 — in which Johnson is advocating individual choice in pretty much everything, “Ubering” everything, clearing the way for people to pursue happiness as they please, and downsizing (not curtailing growth, but actually shrinking) government by at least 20%, including an end to our foreign military intervention. All of that sounds awfully libertarian to me. Sure, there are some contradictions, ideological gaps or warts, but every candidate has shown us a different mixture of such flaws, all the way back to 1972. What else is new? The thing that encourages me about Johnson is that he seems persuadable. On the points where he and more purist libertarians differ, I get the distinct feeling that he can be persuaded to lean more our way, if not come the whole distance. By the same token, his understanding of practical governance may inspire and allow him to persuade the purists to “give moderation a chance” from time to time. The goal is to keep pulling the country more in the libertarian direction. I have been convinced since 2012 that Johnson genuinely, sincerely wants to do this. His practical experience, combined with a powerful mandate, should he actually succeed in winning the White House, encourage me that, if we give him the chance, he can and will make it happen.

    2. The transformation of an “electable” LP into GOP-Lite is happening a lot quicker than I thought.

      That might be what happens but if we end up with a version of the libertarian party that is sort of centrist-right-libertarian, that will still be a big improvement on the conventional GOP.

      Let’s face, there’s always going to be two parties. The game is in how to manipulate the axes so that they line up more with libertarian-authoritarian than conventional left-right. If one can move the GOP in a libertarian direction, or cause it to be replaced with a more-libertarian party, that’s progress.

  10. Weld’s strategy isn’t to try to defend libertarian ideas. Instead he articulates the ones he thinks disaffected centrists want to hear.

    And yet I’m still expected by some left-libertarians to hold my nose and pull the lever for this fuck.

    1. by some left-libertarians

      No such thing as right/left libertarian.

      There is libertarian and there is not-libertarian.

      1. Sheldon Richman has a sad.

      2. Using that standard, Weld is definitely in the not-libertarian camp.

      3. No such thing as right/left libertarian.
        There is libertarian and there is not-libertarian.

        You somehow missed 47 years of libertarian history.

        Left libertarians come in from the left, to defend social issues they are passionate about. They could be “single issue” voters. Most have no more than 3-4 passion issues.

        Right libertarians come in from the right, and are the same but on fiscal issues.

        That’s how it happens for the vast majority of libertarians. They come in from somewhere else, mostly from the left or right. They can add issues from the other side (left/right) but their passion remains left or right. And rarely, a libertarian is “balanced” both left and right..

        There is a exception. Judgmental libertarians, also known as True Believers or Purists, are like judgmentals in everything else, The judge people to a standard of perfection while, of course assuming perfection in themselves.

        The Nolan Chart has “libertarian” quadrant , where peoples’ result can be physically placed as left-libertarians or right-libertarians,on either side of the libertarian quadrant, Since 1969.

  11. When Johnson suggests abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, Weld raises an eyebrow and clarifies that he wouldn’t go that far. When asked about gun control, Weld suggests the formation?cue a million Libertarians choking on their dinner?of a massive new FBI task force….. I ask him, at random, about climate change. He advocates pragmatic, mainstream, and essentially unlibertarian ideas about the urgent need for governing bodies to prevent the rise of global temperatures by 2 degrees Celsius

    Fucking brilliant.

    1. All hills we’re not supposed to die on. I think.

      1. Something something fuck you and your fucking sky daddy bigot ideas! He’s gonna cut spending so you have to vote for him!

        /a slight dramatization of certain actual Johnson Weld supporters

        1. You don’t have to vote for him. Jesus, get over yourself. Your vote really isn’t important since you’re a member of the almost 1% that’s already inclined to vote for an actual libertarian and not the other 99% that are perpetuating a broken system.

          I’m all for making libertarianism appealing to people who want social tolerance minus the socialist money-grabbing and fiscal conservatism minus the militarism and racial resentment. And since that’s basically the point of Johnson/Weld 2016 I’m on board with it.

          1. STFU and VOTE TRUMP

            1. I considered it until I saw THIS:
              http://www.express.co.uk/news/…..psychopath

              1. Seems totally scientific.

                1. At one point it was just a joke I was making about SIV. Then he actually turned into a Trump shill and became the joke.

                  1. The joke’s on you, cuck.

          2. want social tolerance

            So Gun Control, opposing Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Association?

          3. You don’t have to vote for him. Jesus, get over yourself.

            I wasn’t really talking about you, but that’s a mighty defensive reaction.

            Your vote really isn’t important since you’re a member of the almost 1% that’s already inclined to vote for an actual libertarian and not the other 99% that are perpetuating a broken system.

            My vote is important to me alone. Thus why I’m not interested in voting for somebody who embodies my ideals even less than a John McCain or a Mitt Romney (my first and second presidential votes, both of which I held my nose for).

            However, what I think is more important is voicing my displeasure to other libertarians about the LP going full TEAM and nominating a pair of hybrid social justice/moderate republican 90s rejects because they think that centrism is going to win this election. I’m not a huge Ron Paul fan, but I’d be dancing in the streets buck naked for his campaign before I lifted a finger for the Johnson Weld (excuse of a) ticket.

            1. I’m not interested in voting for somebody who embodies my ideals even less than a John McCain or a Mitt Romney

              That speaks volumes as to your ideals, as GJ is orders of magnitude more libertarian than either Romney or McCain.

              You sure you’re not simply a contrarian?

              1. No, I’m just being hyperbolic. Of course the Johnson/Weld ticket has portions that are better than McCain or Romney, just not enough to be categorically differentiated from those tickets. Great, we have another ticket that pays lip service to fiscal sanity. I’ll believe it when I see it.

                1. just not enough to be categorically differentiated from those tickets.

                  Simply not true. Read this.

                  GJ is a moderate libertarian with one really bad unlibertarian position on public accommodation. Find me another credible politician that’s only got one bad position. (Albeit, Weld has many. Thankfully he’s not running for President.)

                  Me thinks you set the bar too high for this stage in the game.

                  1. GJ is a moderate libertarian with one really bad unlibertarian position on public accommodation.

                    So, using Govt as a means to try and engineer “Climate Change“-solutions isn’t “Un-libertarian”?

                    One of the proposals that I think is a very Libertarian proposal, and I’m just open to this, is taxing carbon emission that may have the result of being self-regulating.

                    Try and change the *entire planet’s temperature* via top-level govt meddling in economic behavior = Libertarian?

                    And how about the basic concept of Self-Ownership?

                    Is prostitution a victimless crime?”

                    Johnson responded that currently, “the victims are the prostitutes.”

                    D’oh! Et tu, Johnson? And here I thought totally denying women’s agency was the purview of Democrats and Republicans. Yet here was Johnson buying into the idea that sex work is inherently exploitative and victimizing…..

                    Well, its good to know that at least *you’re* open minded about who qualifies as “libertarian”, Frank. Surely you’ve never argued anyone else should be refused the label if they happened to disagree on a single issue. ever.

            2. First, let me apologize for the snide tone. It was uncalled for.

              Secondly, as to this:

              My vote is important to me alone. Thus why I’m not interested in voting for somebody who embodies my ideals even less than a John McCain or a Mitt Romney (my first and second presidential votes, both of which I held my nose for).

              I just really, really don’t get it. How on Earth does Johnson fall short of McCain and Romney on libertarian ideals? He has a solid record of vetoing spending as governor and he vetoed every gun control law as governor as well. He’s for ending the drug war and he’s not stroking a massive warboner over Iran or shitting himself over terrorism.

              I understand revulsion at Weld but there simply are not many credible people that can run as Libertarians. I think people are failing to realize that one of the biggest reasons for the prominence of Johnson and Weld this year is because they can’t be dismissed out of hand as unserious due to their records of accomplishment.

              The LP would mired at 3% if they picked Peterson or McAfee.

              1. It was uncalled for.

                No, it was entirely called for.

                1. No, it was entirely called for.

                  Fuck off and let the adults have a conversation unencumbered by your puerile bleatings.

                  (I apologize in advance for my uncalled for tone) 😉

                  1. Fuck you, you needle-dicked turd-gobbler.

              2. No worries on the tone. It gets contentious in here at times, and I’ve certainly been guilty of writing in a tone that I later regretted.

                As I mentioned above, I was being hyperbolic and didn’t really mean that Johnson/Weld is worse than McCain or Romney. I think it’s more accurate to say that Johnson/Weld feels like a very similar ticket to McCain/Palin or Romney/WhoeverTheFuckHeRanWith. Sure, he may decriminalize pot on the national level, but he has been less than doveish when talking of ISIS, he’s been rather wishy-washy with his gun rhetoric (which doesn’t help the fact that his VP is a gun grabber), and he’s shit on some very basic core libertarian issues like freedom of association. This whole “fiscal conservative, social liberal” rhetoric has defined his campaign as a centrist one, not as a liberty loving one.

                I disagree on Petersen only getting 3%. He may not have been as polished and articulate as Johnson or Weld, but liberty rolled off his tongue quite naturally. I think there are a bunch of disaffected major party voters who would have a much easier time accepting Petersen over Johnson.

                1. I was being hyperbolic and didn’t really mean that Johnson/Weld is worse than McCain or Romney.

                  In the sense that McCain and Romney were the establishment candidates of their moment,
                  ….and Johnson/Weld are supposed to represent an “anti-establishment”-reform-party?

                  Yes, Johnson/Weld are “worse” in their given role.

                  Because what good (for libertarians) do LP candidates serve by merely showing that “Demopublican-Lite” can steal votes from “Demopublican-Douches”?

                  instead of functioning as a threat which forces the mainstream to take libertarian ideas seriously….

                  …the libertarians are moving *towards the mainstream* and suggesting “go ahead and keep running on “Carbon Taxes” and “Gun Control” and shit like that! Our voters will *totally* compromise!

                  1. There was a brian d article a few days ago where he responded to criticisms about how Johnson isn’t doing fuck-all for any of the core principles that any various liberty-oriented constituents might care about… and the retort was (paraphrased) =

                    “Ah, but that’s not important, because, see, what’s really important are *what would happen if he were president*….and how he’d govern on core issues like taxing and spending….”

                    yeah…. as though his “Winning” is a real concern here? It pretends the game is something different than what it really is. Winning isn’t what’s going to happen. What’s going to happen is “the LP is going to “do better” than normal”

                    The choice is really =

                    – do you see more value in an LP canidate that gets 5%* of the vote, but shows that getting 5% requires completely selling out on every core principle?
                    – Or do you want to get 3%*, and show how those principles matter?

                    The counter argument to this (and its a good one) is that getting that “5%” means the LP gets funds and more ballot access next time around.

                    Which i’m cool with. If that’s all this is about? then i’m down for it. Just don’t try and tell me the shit-sandwich is something its not.

                    1. what would happen if he were president

                      I like how Reason is adopting the whole “assume this politician secretly agrees with you despite everything he says and can’t do the things you don’t like” which always works.

                2. and he’s shit on some very basic core libertarian issues like freedom of association.

                  No, not freedom of association. A small subset of freedom of association, called public accommodation law.

                  I liked Petersen and McAfee. Both significantly more principled than GJ. But Americans aren’t ready for that yet. Let’s get the ball rolling in the right direction before we start scaring the straights.

                  1. No, not freedom of association. A small subset of freedom of association, called public accommodation law.

                    Please show us some examples where Johnson has expressed any strong convictions about “the other parts” of freedom of association you think are important, since you’re making that distinction.

              3. He’s for ending the drug war and he’s not stroking a massive warboner over Iran or shitting himself over terrorism.

                Johnson isn’t for ending the drug war, he’s campaigning on continuing it. GayJay supports what he calls “humanitarian wars not in America’s interest”. That’s a Samantha Power/Madeline Albright foreign policy

                Trump consistently, vocally opposed the war on all drugs for over 20 years up until he decided to seek the GOP nomination.

                Hell, the only consistent political positions Trump has held for any length of time is “legalize drugs” and “stay out of foreign wars”.

      2. Don’t blame me.

        I voted McAfee/Barely Legal Belizean Prostitute 2016.

        1. So far i’ve collected a Deez Nuts 2016, and a “We Shall Overcomb” (but have not warn it since Oct of last year once it became clear he “wasn’t just a joke” anymore)

          but i havent found a McAfee T-shirt with the appropriate visuals

      3. All hills we’re not supposed to die on. I think.

        Have you run this by noted Self-Appointed LP ????????, Mary Ruwart HazelMeade. Apparently, she is charge of all Torquemadette Purity Tests for (alleged) racism, Nogoodthinkniks, and all *approved* The Hills Have Eyes We Die On.

        1. Don’t you mean Michael Hihn?

          1. No, I meant HazelMeade. She’s off her rocker, quire frankly. She’s could find a “RACIZM” in a bowl of kasha with milk.

            Hinh is a deranged, necrothread fucking lunatic, claiming HIHN-SPIRACY (and member of the Peacock Family) whom nobody takes seriously, yet keeps claiming to have LP Ark of the Covenant, yanno, The Radio to Talk to God CATO.

            1. You don’t eat your kasha with kefir?

              (Nasty stuff, kefir.)

              1. You don’t eat your kasha with kefir?

                I tried it. Once. And puked it back up 20 min later and was sick for the rest of the day. Never again.

            2. For fun I engaged with Hihn last week on a tax thread. It was rather amusing watching him become more and more hysterical as I systematically dismantled his assertions. In the end he resorted to throwing up a post like twelve hours later calling me an aggressor, which apparently in his world is anyone who disagrees with him and makes him look like an idiot. He also threatened to link to that thread for years to come. I really hope he does, because good lord does he look crazed.

              1. Every 6 months someone replaces his imagined H&R “aggressor”. It was me at one point like 2 years ago. It was stupid.

              2. Contrarian P
                I engaged with Hihn last week on a tax thread.

                You made an ass of yourself, like here.. But your fellow bullies can chortle and laugh, like teen boys comparing dicks.

                calling me an aggressor, which apparently in his world is anyone who disagrees with him and makes him look like an idiot

                The idiot is you. (smirk) You’re an aggressor here, while denying aggression. You guys are hysterical/ Francisco pulled the same blunder. Keep proving me correct, and I’ll keep laughing at you.

                (Bullies don’t care how stupid they look, since attacks are sport to them. See above re dicks)

                (walks away laughing)

                (posted in self-defense of aggression by one of the thugs)

            3. But he didn’t just launch an aggression! (smirk)

          2. The aggressors attack me out of thin air!!!
            And probably giggle like the12-year-old girls.they emulate.
            Insufferable arrogance is a virtue to the authoritarian mind.

            (posted in self-defense of blatant aggression)

          3. The aggressors attack me out of thin air!!!
            And probably giggle like the12-year-old girls.they emulate.
            Insufferable arrogance is a virtue to the authoritarian mind.

            (posted in self-defense of blatant aggression)

            1. Poor little snowflake. Never attacks. Never posts anything worthy of “verbal” retribution. Doesn’t project. People here are just such billies! Words hurt, don’t they, Mike? You poor little thing.

              1. Also aggression. (Intelligence is not the hallmark of a goober.)
                It doesn’t hurt at all the see you constantly ridicule the notion of aggression, as you commit aggression by initiating purely personal attacks. Actually, I laugh like hell every time you do it. I laugh harder because you have no clue how foolish you are (outside your gang)
                Keep proving me correct!!!! PLEASE

                P.S. I knew Francisco d’Anconia. You are no Francisco d’Anconia..

                (posted in self-defense)

    2. Fucking brilliant.

      WE ARE THE WELD!

  12. Even though William Weld doesn’t endorse the blood libel, I will still vote for him. (Even though I love Hillary and she can do no wrong in my eyes and I now shill for Jill.)

    1. You might want to hold off on your endorsements until AIPAC’s next conference toward the end of March.

      1. That’s why I posted it.

        I was pleasantly surprised.

    1. Is it safe to assume Dominic Mitchell is a dick?

      (referring to his comment, not the content of the post).

      1. Did your parents raise you to level childish personal attacks?
        Your answer will reveal whether they’re proud or ashamed of you.

  13. So Groovus what do you think of Raimondo’s thoughts on the Ukraine? Aren’t you still living there?

    1. Yeppers. And about to go to bed too.

      Raimondo is overblowing it just a tad (actually a lot). In the midst of all the finger pointing, it’s hard to know who is telling the truth since both RUS and UKR have everything to gain by blaming the incident on each other.

      As far as WW3, no, hardly. It IS true that Poroshenko needs something of a diversion, because UKR won’t be admitted to the EU anytime soon, and that is what he was banking on (at the very least to shore up loans from the IMF whilst waiting for EU membership), and the primary drive behind Maidan. UKR is doing a remarkably job at keeping RUS at bay, but it’s almost like Masada in a sense. With a resources directed at fighting off the East, it’s hard to grow the economy, something Poland and Estonia, in particular haven’t had to deal with nearly as much. Belarus appears to be in appeasement mode at this point, from what I can tell.

      From an furriner’s POV, UKR simply can’t be Poland, Belarus, or Estonia by proxy of geography and history. Cost of living is still really low, but then unemployment is high (and the biggest stickler is the EU’ insistence UKR takes a shitload more Rapefugees, something the population DOESN’T want – my wife and myself included), and traditional areas of economic growth are stagnant. Medical has been an area of growth, but it’s been primarily private hospitals and polikliniki.

    2. Oh, and Shrill Bot isn’t as popular as he thinks. Troomp is regarded as a patsy and kloun, whilst people have NOT forgotten Obumbles (and Shrill Bot’s) refusal to either donate aid and/or sell lethal munitions during Donbass.

  14. So what sort of fiscal conservatism has Weld been saying? I know Johnson has advocated axing the IRS, Education, HUD and Commerce which honestly I can get behind as a start though even getting rid of one will be very difficult…

  15. It’s rather irrelevant.

    In the only even vaguely plausible scenario for Johnson getting elected, he wins a plurality in a state or a few, and thus denies anyone an Electoral College majority, throwing the election into Congress.

    In such a case, the House of Representatives, voting by state, picks from the top three candidates getting electoral votes, which could possibly compromise on Johnson. But the Senate only chooses from the top two EV-getters for VP.

    So Weld can become VP, itself a pretty irrelevant job under most circumstances, if and only if the Libertarians manage to win more EVs than one of the major parties.

  16. So the big problem the LP has this year that let’s say they make 20% of the vote and win at least one state how are they going to do in 2020 and 2024? History hasn’t very good for third parties. And will they have to be even more pragmatist then they are now…

    1. Alternate scenario: Jesse Ventura leads a rag tag army of Minnesotans to take over Flint. The federal government send in the troops, but, unbeknown to them, the general in charge is a huge fan of professional wrestling. He switches sides, and helps Jesse take over the entire state. Hillary personally leads the loyalists into battle, and is killed by Johnson, who is weilding a giant battle axe while stoned out of his gourd.
      By the rules of the Necromongers, you keep what you kill, so Johnson is now POTUS.

      1. The only thing stopping this scenario from becoming reality is that Flint is in Michigan, not Minnesota.

        1. Pretty sure the 10th amendment covers interstate invasions.

        2. Forget it, he’s rolling.

        3. That and no one would notice what happens to Flint.

    2. And if they instead did the usual 0.8% with no one caring, there’s no talk of letting LP candidates into debates, etc., what are they going to do in 2020 and 2024?

      1. Keep being a radical fringe party?

  17. So will Chris Christie, Michael Pataki, Michael Bloomberg, Lincoln Chafee and Paul LePage also get seats in a Johnson cabinet?

  18. So Pan Zangloba you want a Canadian Gary Johnson? So that means a Red Tory who is fiscally responsible which is a contradicition in terms so… how about David Crombie or John Sewell?

    1. The fuck? No. I want a Libertarian Party that hates SJWs, not one that placates them. Actually, that might be an improvement over our current lot.

      It was John Titor I was arguing with, and my stance was (and is) that Lauren Southern is better than GJ, hence in the cripple fight we’re ahead of US LP on points.

      1. Oh sorry. You guys all look alike. 😉

        That said who do you think could be the Canadian Gary Johnson? A fiscally conservative Red Tory is a contradiction in terms though.

        1. Go provincial? Drag out Gordon Campbell out of retirement, and listen to the screeching of people who think he personally made millions starve to death and/or turn to indentured servitude as premier of BC? Or ask Patrick Moore (founder of Greenpeace) to run – he’s Canadian and probably into pot as well?

          I mean, which politician up here isn’t into pot, ass sex and Mexicans? Too bad Rob Ford and Ralph Klein are both dead – I guess if you want to get into politics in Canada, having a personality is bad for your health.

    2. I stated that I’d prefer to have a shitty libertarian opinion to none at all. That does not mean criticism of Johnson is unwarranted. Unlike some people who post walls of impotent, defeatist whining I don’t think being the guy declaring his libertarian purity as the firing squad loads their rifles is a good future.

      1. impotent, defeatist whining

        You know who else wanted defeatists to shut the fuck up?

  19. OT: polling the collective wisdom of the commentariat– is scent sensitivity legitamate or just an excuse by somone who don’t like smells to control other people? Working in a facility this week that has signs posted not to wear any scented products (funny deodorant wasn’t specifically mentioned in the short list) due to sensitive by someone(s). I think it’s BS, unless they’re living like bubble boy.

    1. I think it is legit. Usually tend to be females who suffer from it, and I think alot of it is mental. I would spend hours scouring the house and moving every chemical I could find out of the house when my wife complained. My mom always smells things too.
      People who smoke probably have lost much of their olfactory senses, and, since quitting, my sense of smell seems keener.

    2. It’s not common, but it is a legit hypersensitive response – and there are legit cases demonstrably DX’d. Usually it applies to perfumes, colognes, and that type of stuff. The scent itself is primarily the problem, the secondary is the chemical composition (which, depending on the substance, can be quite toxic in a rare, small, group of people).

      The link will give you the basics

    3. Yes and no. Are some people more sensitive to scents/allergic to perfumes? Yes. Are they so sensitive that they require a total eradication of perfumes from the workpace? No.

      I see it a lot like the whole peanuts thing. The idea that a child is going to die because there are peanuts in the same room as them seems pretty damn far-fetched. However, it’s courteous to be a little cautious around the allergic kid so that they have a reduced chance of coming into contact with peanuts.

      1. Right. Which, in a sane world inhabited by courteous adults would mean “don’t bathe in your cologne”.
        Unfortunately, some people just don’t get it, and think that the rest of us just love the overwhelming odor of pachouli that the uneducated seem to think is the best smell ever, rather than a crime against humanity.

    4. or just an excuse by somone who don’t like smells to control other people

      May be some tiny portion of the population is legitimately impacted.

      I suspect there was a much larger tolerance for other people’s individuality in the past. Snowflakes have elevated annoyance into initiation of force so they can eliminate anything they don’t like.

    5. Thank you everyone for the response, especially learned Dr. Groovus. It’s only one week and then I’m gone so I’ll just try to avoid whoever it is. Which of course isn’t identified, even though it would make life so much easier for everyone else.

    6. As a kid I had it really bad regarding lit or unlit scented candles. Don’t know why but if there were more than a few about I would start losing the ability to breathe.

      1. And a throbbing headache.

      2. I had it regarding incense. Being dragged to Catholic Mass was a problem at times….

    7. Trouble is, truly unscented toiletries are hard to come by. Usually they have at least a masking fragrance. Try finding a cake of unperfumed soap; some people think Ivory soap’s unperfumed, but that’s because it’s their background or baseline.

  20. So was Ramon Navarro the ultimate Libertarian? He was a gay Mexican and he probably smoked pot at some point…

  21. History hasn’t been good for third parties except when they replace one of the other two.

    There is no risk of Johnson winning. A vote for Johnson is a signal to the losing party in 2016 that they might consider courting the libertarian vote if they want to win in 2020.

    That is all it is.

    Well, OK. It quite. If the libertarian party can get enough support to participate in the debates, that could be a huge win. Hillary had to pay lip service to many Bernie positions in the course of winning the primary. She might have even started believing some of them.

  22. Was Ginger Rogers the Only Libertarian Woman? Raised by a single mom, acted in scripts by Dalton Trumbo, supported Barry Goldwater, wore a monocle in 42nd Street and did a few musicals…

  23. So I’m wondering how Gary will perform in a debate without Weld? And what the chances the two will contradict each other a few times?

  24. Can we dig up Weld’s distant relative Theodore, the abolitionist, and nominate him?

        1. I don’t think those pics are of the same person as HM’s pic.

  25. Meanwhile, in Australia…

    “A Victorian mother is suing her doctor as well as the public health sector for the cost of raising a child following a botched abortion….

    Apparently the child ended up being born.

    “The compensation would also cover food, clothing and schooling expenses for the child.”

    Apparently you can’t put your child up for adoption in Australia?

    1. A botched abortion usually refers to harm to the mother. What kind of quack can’t kill a helpless fetus? The thing can’t even run away from you.

      1. Since she seems to want to keep the kid, I’m kind of curious how she explains that, yes, Mommy hired a guy to kill you, but the didn’t finish the job, so Mommy got some money by way of compensation.

    2. That story is insanely shittily written. So she went to her GP, didn’t think he did the job, got ultrasound and yup, 20 weeks pregnant.
      Victoria apparently allows abortion up to 24 weeks – why the hell not go to a different doctor? I mean, sure, you paid this guy and he dicked it up, he should pay, but if you’re serious, try getting it done before deadline. What stopped her? What did the doctor say? Why now, two years after she gave birth?

      Journalism is hard, but she must have a Twitter at least.

  26. http://boston.cbslocal.com/201…..e-walpole/

    Joe From Lowell is out doing his bit for the cause. They are going to catch you one of these days, you weird little bastard.

  27. Anyone hear of this Carbon fee Johnson was apparently talking about in interview? Sounds like a tax but I can’t find a reputable source reporting it.

  28. It’ll be nice to see a Vice President break the Treacher Collin’s glass ceiling in my lifetime.

  29. Jewett Williams update

    “AUGUSTA, Maine ? The Civil War soldier from Maine whose remains were stored haphazardly at the Oregon State Hospital for nearly 100 years has finally come home.

    “Army Pvt. Jewett Williams of Hodgdon, who fought for the Union Army with the famed 20th Maine, made his second stop in the Pine Tree State on Monday afternoon when the small, American flag-wrapped cardboard box holding his cremains arrived at the Togus VA Medical Center in Augusta. It will not be the end of his journey, though.

    “A pair of distant cousins from Aroostook County have stepped forward to claim Williams’ ashes. He will be laid to rest beside his parents in the family plot in Hodgdon, according to VA officials.”

    1. “Christabell Rose, who is part of the Falmouth-based Maine Living History Association, dismounted from one of the Patriot Guard Riders’ motorcycles Monday while wearing a wide-skirted 1860s-style dress. After taking off her helmet, she bundled her hair into a black snood. Rose had traveled with Williams’ cremains from Appomattox, Virginia, organizing ceremonies at state line crossings all the way up to Maine.”

    2. They should use his ashes to make a hand, middle finger extended, and plant it on Little Round Top pointing in the direction of the Confederate assault.

      1. +1 bayonet charge

      2. middle finger extended… Confederate

        These days those require trigger warnings…

  30. Holy crap!

    I know it’s already been posted today, but the naked bribery on display is so blatant and yet no follow up.

    Casey Wasserman, an L.A. sports executive

    Wasserman’s charitable foundation has given the Clinton Foundation between $5 million and $10 million. In 2009 and 2010, his investment company paid Bill Clinton $3.13 million in consulting fees.

    And exactly WTF would Clinton provide $3.13M in “consulting” for a sport executive’s company?

    In another email exchange, Democratic donor and activist Joyce Aboussie of St. Louis wrote to Abedin requesting a meeting between Clinton and a top executive of St. Louis-based Peabody Energy, one of the world’s largest coal producers.

    “Huma, I need your help now to intervene please,” Aboussie wrote in June 2009. “We need this meeting with Secretary Clinton, who has been there now for nearly six months. This is, by the way, my first request.”

    Why exactly would a coal producer need to meet with the Secretary of State? Is he having some trouble with exports to China?

    1. Sugar Freed.

      Also I’m sure Jeff Tucker has formed his Libertarians for Hillary group.

    2. Now that^ triggered my smell sensitivity.

      *Holds nose and pulls lever*

    1. Would Lincoln?

  31. Racism on the rise across the world. That could be the only explanation, right?

    1. The Japanese were least likely to say there are too many immigrants in their country

      Sure you are Japan, sure you are. And what’s your opinion on Koreans again?

      “Oh well they’re dogs but…dammit, you got us.”

      1. Well…you are what you eat…

        …is an example of the kind of joke a racist would tell.

      2. Of course the Japanese aren’t open to mass immigration. I’ve met many that claim they would like to see more immigrants in Japan (Of course they are talking to an immigrant), but you can judge someone by what they do more than by what they say. Japanese govt officials will give lip service to the Merkels of the world in order to not feel embarrassed at the next major international summit.

        1. Of course the Japanese aren’t open to mass immigration.

          What island nation is?

          1. Ellis?

            1. Australia, after WWII not only welcomed immigrants, they paid them to come. But the White Australia policy “effectively only allowed immigrants to Australia from the UK and other European countries.”

              Since the 1970s, when the White Australia policy was officially ended, Australia immigration points system allows educated and skilled workers based on a quota that determines what jobs need to be filled.

              Australia has replaced the a White Australia policy that excluded “non-whites” with a policy that excludes people with “non-white” values. IOW, while Australians have no problem with people with a darker shade of skin, they still want people who are “just like them”.

          2. Sealand?

        2. lip service to the Merkels

          Now there’s a horrible euphemism.

          1. I spewed beer across the bar. Thank you.

            1. I give and give.

    2. Racism on the rise across the world. That could be the only explanation, right?

      American/Western European Whites run the world. QED

  32. So the Libertarian Party had a set of principles, but they’re too extreme, so they trade them for another, more “popular” set of principles…and so on, until they’re as lucky as Hans is the fable.

    1. Nothing like urine-colored background for text. Good story though.

    2. “I have my principles. And if you don’t like them, I have others!”

      –Groucho Marx

  33. So let’s be honest. The problem with the LP is that they are going to be pragmatic enough to be electable without becoming totally unprincipled which will not be easy especially with guys like Weld near the top. And they will have to Get Libertarianish Things Done all the while without a huge blacklash which will be very difficult too. I mean getting rid of Education, HUD and Commerce or a 20% spending cut will not be easy and there will be serious opposition to them…

    1. So let’s be honest.

      Starting when?

      And they will have to Get Libertarianish Things Done all the while without a huge blacklash which will be very difficult too.

      A huge backlash by 3% of the voters? Who cares?,

      I mean getting rid of Education, HUD and Commerce or a 20% spending cut will not be easy and there will be serious opposition to them.

      Only a total jackass would even try.
      Even Ayn Rand, with her rigidity against compromise, knew it was impossible to do ANY reforms in government until the voters had already accepted the notion. “Voluntary taxation will be the last step, not the first, toward a free society, The last reform, not the first reform to to pursue.” (paraphrased)

      See, this is not a dictatorship. Our government exists at the will of the people. I’m always stunned when I see an authoritarian mentality in a self-proclaimed libertarian. Helps explain 40 years of failure, with the libertarian brand rejected by 91% of libertarians (Per Cato)

  34. Reason spends endless amount of ink explaining how the two major parties, and really the GOP is dead, and then turn around and shill for two washed up Republicans. If the two parties really are dying, then the LP should be able to grow their own politicians shouldn’t they?

    1. I prefer to look at Trump as doing this.

      If the elephant were wounded then all hell might break lose as, unpredictable at the best of times, wounded elephants could literally go mad and cause tremendous damage to both sides. If this happened the rider used a metal spike and hammer to pierce the elephant’s brain and kill it immediately.

    2. . If the two parties really are dying, then the LP should be able to grow their own politicians shouldn’t they?

      A small minority of goobers crushes any viable candidate.. I saw it as the first (only?) executive director of a state party (WA). i My “job” was an experiment, financed by a wealthy member. What if we trained county chairs in recruiting and developing viable candidates? I was a professional in both training and marketing, ran sessions with county chairs, negotiated whatever state support they needed

      The county chairs told me first. Anti-gummint goobers attacking our best candidates. Two or three could bring down an entire room. Running a serious campaign is a burden, I’ve won three. It doesn’t help to face constant abuse.

      Hence, the only Brand Preference survey, commissioned by Cato, found 59% of voters would identify as libertarian, fiscally conservative and socially liberal ,,, but ONLY if the “L: word was not used. If the “l” word was added, 91% of LIBERTARIANS rejected the brand.

      The same people who whine about candidates are often the same ones who attack candidates, as if getting elected was some moral failure. 40 years of that shit has taken a heavy toll.

      Mostly by people who’ve never achieved anything, never will, and don’t even care to.
      It’s said that insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Sounds about right.

  35. Gary Johnson is trying to be WAC Bennett or Sidney Johnston Catts.

  36. Jay Leno’s Garage is one of the best channels on YouTube.

    As evidence we get to see an absolutely gorgeous Packard recreation.

    1. If you like that, “Petrolicious” (which i think was originally sponsored by Hagerty’s) do short vids which are also quite nice. less technical tho (bad), less jay-gabbing (good, maybe)

    2. When they did the American Top Gear, it should have been Leno, Tim Allen and stolen Sabine Schmitz from Germany. It would have worked so well.

      1. Wow, this erection came out of nowhere.

        1. I didn’t know Jay Leno turned you on.

  37. Also a lot of Reasonoids have gotten really na?ve about the tendencies of reformist parties to take power and become little more than the establishment they once attacked. The LP will avoid this because….Libertarian Moment?

    1. No, because a True Libertarian won’t seek office. What’s left is politicians claiming to be libertarians, but since they’re politicians, well, you know the rest.

    2. No, they’ll avoid it because they already are the establishment they attack.

  38. So on the issues listed in the article, Trump is more libertarian than Weld?

  39. Here’s a nutpunch given to a dude already rolling on the ground after taking a nutpunch from mother nature.

    1. Chris David, manager of Around the Corner Auto Service, said construction work on a nearby highway bypass left the closest storm drain cordoned off by a fence in the shop’s backyard ? which, when record-breaking rains began to fall, acted as a dam for debris, leaving water nowhere to go but inside.

      David and three employees have been working nonstop to clean the damage, but he faces an arduous road ahead to reopen the shop’s doors to customers. As he told local CBS affiliate WSBT,

      “Insurance is not going to cover it because they think it was the fault of the state, not the fault of ours.”

      Total estimated damage to the auto service store has already climbed to a whopping $120,000.

      Should any reconstruction be necessary, of course, David would also be forced to obtain what amounts to the State’s permission slip ? to repair damage the State haphazardly caused in the first place.

      Yeah, that sounds about right. They get you coming and going.

    2. this is funny

      Person A =

      Kountry Bumpkin ? 3 days ago

      In accordance with Agenda 21 if your house is in a “floodplain” I wouldn’t expect to be getting a permit from the Indiana Department of Natural Resources, truth is under agenda 21 they do everything in their ability to force people out of their homes.

      Person B

      Mannie Kountry Bumpkin ? 3 days ago

      Under the National Flood Insurance Act, construction including reconstruction, within the “100-Year Floodplain” requires additional permitting. Structures that are over 50% damaged cannot be rebuilt. The stated objective of this is to discourage construction in the 100-Year Flood Plain, thus limiting the recurring costs of damage relief.

      “they’re not trying to force people out of their homes; they’re just trying to ban them from rebuilding when they’re damaged = TOTALLY DIFFERENT”

      I don’t think people should build in flood-areas, or hurricane zones, but if they pay the insurance, i don’t see why they can’t. Govt seems to want to insert itself between the owners and the insurance cos, let people collect, but boot them out regardless.

      1. Haven’t we heard the, “Catastrophic insurance ain’t goodinuff!” screeching before?

        1. Everyone thinks Government is qualified to know “what’s better for you”.

          What hardly any of them realize is that the people actually then given the power to “decide what’s better for you”, are often the dumbest most awful people on earth. And you lose your home & business because some retarded municipal construction crew blocked a drain. And no one will compromise because they don’t have to. FYTW.

          When you point to examples like this, progs always handwave and go, “But those are the exceptions!” ‘Mistakes will sometimes get made! In the net its for the greater good!’.

          Then you get things like the ACA, where *its ALL mistakes*, top to bottom. Nothing about it provides any of the promised ‘benefits’. In the net, its one gigantic, bottomless money-suck, that mostly hurts the people they think they were trying to help.

          And they still refuse to look at it or acknowledge anything but the “intentions”.

          1. Exactly why I think Public Choice Theory is such an important explanation of how govt actually works. It doesn’t really offer any solutions, but effectively exposes the inherent failure existing in almost every govt program, regulation etc.

        2. Haven’t we heard the, “Catastrophic insurance ain’t goodinuff!” screeching before?

          I’ll go slowly.
          We ridicule Obamacare for making poor people pay a $6,000 deductible before getting treatment.
          Then our lesser intellects demand the same thing for ALL insurance, and disagreement is “screeching”O-o-o-o-okay

      2. Are there any flood insurers besides the National Flood Insurance Program (the Feds) at this point?

  40. Patrick McGoohan as Danger Man!

    Holy fuck, this is awesome. If you like hard-boiled detectiving and you want an excellent example check this out. McGoohan is amazing as the lead. The writing is top-notch, and the process they show him work through was fantastic and they did it all in 25 minutes of screen time.

    1. thanks. sounds up my alley.

    2. Brian is back to being Ron Paul’s Propaganda Minister. The words he cites are bullshit for the tribe.

      The special FBI task force would be combined with the Terrorist Watch List, for obvious reasons. He gets attacked on only one of the two. Shameful

      The gun rights quote makes no sense at all. And gun rights are not absolute because NO rights are absolute. Unalienable rights cannot be abridged for ANY reason. So what happens when they conflict with each other?

      Repealing the IRS is stupid with no real plan to do it, especially Gary’s support of the Fair Tax, a massive tax cut for the rich paid for by higher taxes on everyone else. Do the math. The core middle class (40k-100k) pays an average tax rate of 8.3% + 6.2%. (replaced with a 30% sales tax) and most consumes more than their income. The rich subsidize nearly half their income tax now, and consume a tiny portion of their income.

      THAT nonsense traces to Ron Paul’s wacky “plan” to repeal the income tax, replace it with nothing, and run 95% of the federal government on FICA taxes. (He never mentions FICA which would blow the con.)

      Now, some will snarl that I defend the current tax code, or the IRS, or progressive tax rates, whatever buzzwords are in favor this week. No, it’s the math.

      Don’t blame Gary. The entire libertarian establishment has NO viable policy proposals for him. They get more supporters and donors, easier, with free market slogans and sound bites, without having to solve a thing!

  41. I don’t know the context behind this – I think it’s about her involvement in implementing welfare reform – but this tweet by Neera Tanden is fucking gold.

    It looks like she tried to exonerate herself by presenting an email… in her notes app.

    1. It was deleted as I read it.

      1. scratch that – your link still works. if i clicked away from it on her feed, it seemed to go away. i don’t twitter so i don’t know how its supposed to work.

        So basically, she faked an email on the fly, making a statement she wanted “proof” for.

        It seems she then ginned up better subsequent fake-messages to cover for the first, entirely obvious fake-message.

        Isn’t that the sort of bald-faced lie that gets people in charge in troub…. oh, wait, that’s right, people can lie all their want if they have the right connections.

  42. All we’re missing is white indian…

  43. G’night everyone. It must be computer time at the mental hospital. I see our resident necrofucker is coming out to shit all over the thread.

  44. Once again, I must correct the shameful snears on Gary Johnson re religious freedom.

    Here’s a crazy idea. Skip all the filters and read Gary’s own short op-ed praising the deal negotiated by the leaders THE MORMON CHURCH and the LGBT community? Yes, Mormons and queers. Imagine that. It’s not PC, so you probably never knew it.

    THAT is liberty,. MUTUAL CONSENT. The most conservative state government in America arranged it, accepted by Mormon leaders and LGBQ

    Public accomodation is like gay rights. Git the gummint out is a dog whistle for bigots, UNTIL government is removed, they are constitutionally required to defend equal rights. I hear a lot of whining about Nazi cakes …. but not a word about repealing ALL public accommodation laws. Why not? The religious are not a privileged class in a nation founded on Separation.

    Guns are related. Ronald Reagan actively supported a ban on assault weapons … and Justice Scalia said it would NOT be unconstitutional. What’s the point. Well, uber-conservatives like the Mormon Church and Justice Scalia, plus Reagan are with Johnson. What does that say about cult libertarians?

  45. When Johnson again gets around 1%, I hope both he and Weld have the decency to go away forever.

    1. McCarthyism had loyalty oaths also.
      Tell us what you’ve done to advance liberty, so we can learn.

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  48. I was thinking of voting for Johnson this year despite some differences I had with him on policy. His choice of Weld has now made that impossible and made me question his judgement.

    1. He doesn’t need your type.

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